Can "geht um" be used to imply death

[acoustic vigil]

I have thought for some time that "umgehen" can be used to describe someone "going under" in a sense. Coming out on the bottom, possibly resulting in death. I don't remember when or where I started thinking this, nor can I find any sources saying it can be used this way. But when I use it that way in a sentence, DeepL translates it as I expect. Am I making stuff up?

Example sentence: "Er geht durch den Dolch um."
Translation by DeepL: "He is killed by the dagger."

[zinc crow]

DeepL will try to find meaning even in sentences that aren't made properly. Maybe it thinks you're trying to say "umbringen"?

In other words: Don't translate from German to English, and assume that the English is what the German means. The German could just be nonsense that DeepL is trying to make sense of.

[acoustic vigil]

I want a native speaker or a level C speaker to confirm this.

(that the sentence is wrong; it's already well known DeepL will be able to correct mistakes given context)

[zinc crow]

"zu Grunde gehen" means "to die" or "get destroyed"

or "untergehen" = to perish or fall to something

[acoustic vigil]

I very likely somehow mixed "umgehen" up with "umkommen", but I can't figure out why that happened.

[zinc crow]

https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/untergehen

[3] Die Kultur der Mayas ging unter, als die spanischen Eroberer mit ihrer Suche nach Gold begannen.

https://www.dwds.de/wb/untergehen#d-1-3-1

das römische Imperium ist untergegangen (= zusammengebrochen)

https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/untergehen

3. zugrunde gehen; zerstört, vernichtet werden
   BEISPIEL
   es war, als ob die Welt untergehen wollte

[acoustic vigil]

I'll accept Argus' explanation as quite likely and proceed on the understanding that the answer to my thread is "no". 👍

Thank you for answering, Argus!

[iron drum]

tbh i am to lazy to read it all, but i am native and nobody would say "geht um" . I don´t even think it is right.

Normally you would say "geht drauf" in that context. It is not formally and doesn´t bring any respect. You would use it if a friend or somebody you know is about to do a dangerous action, then you would say "Der geht doch drauf" witch 1 to 1 translated means "He is going to go on top" But is used as "He is going to die" in a funny sense.

Another way to say it would be "umbringen" witch would translate to "(to) kill somebody".
For example: "Ich werde ihn umbringen" "I am going to kill him"
another example: "Er hat sich umgebracht" "he killed him self"

Both of these words are not formal and will normally not be used in a tragic situation

And then there are of coarse also the well known once like "sterben" and "töten" (To die and (to) kill"

[acoustic vigil]

Vilen Dank, Zitrone!

[past iron]

@acoustic vigil were you thinking of kommt um? i think that's one that @iron drum forgot to mention (or i didn't spot it)

[past iron]

oh you said that here

[iron drum]

yea kommt um is also usable, forgot about it

[past iron]

my apologies

[acoustic vigil]

Yeah, I likely mixed up a bunch of other expressions. 😄