do germans remember every gender nouns

[quasi garnet]

I was just wondering

[solid spire]

German native speakers have this natural instinct to just know the gender of any word, regardless of having heard the word before, regardless of whether it's a real word lol. It's a thing that kicks in very very early in first language acquisition

[quasi garnet]

That's amazing. Thank you

[ivory wagon]

der die or das Nutella

fast

[hallow fable]

I would say that we don't know all the times. For some words there are different opinions what gender should be used. For example I would say der Joghurt but in austria or swiss you maybe hear das Joghurt or even die Joghurt. So all three genders are correct in this case.

But like 99% of the time we all agree on one gender. And if we learn a new word we don't know, either we learn it with the article and memorize it instantly or we guess it instinctively right or we guess it wrong but as soon as we hear the right gender we correct it in our memory.

So yeah as soon as we learn a gender of a word we know it. And most of the times most germans use the same genders for the words.

[hallow fable]

DIE!!! 😤😂

Where we also don't all agree are anglizismen. Like Laptop or Blog. Some people all the time use "das" for new anglizismen. (Das Laptop, Das Blog)
But people like me are using "der". (Der Laptop, Der Blog)
Then again anglizismen that are like synonyms like maybe Tablet (the electronic device) stay with the gender the similar word in german already has. (Das Tablet, because of Das Tablett, Das Paper, because of Das Papier)

I just think it's interesting how the german collective decides what gender a new word will get. It's not always totally random.

[strange dome]

Great explanations! I just wonder, if I could be marked "wrong" in a certificate exam though, if e.g. I used "das Party" instead of "die Party"; can I alter the "standard" gender of foreign words?

[hallow fable]

The thing is, as soon as there is one gender for a word everyone (most Germans) agrees on, then you can't use another gender. Party is not a new word to the german language and it probably got "die" because of "die Feier".
So yes, if you don't use the gender most germans use then it's obviously wrong.

[silk nova]

basically like that lol

we dont even need to think abut it

e just completely automatically use the right gendered articles and stuff for the words

its really weird lol

[quasi garnet]

how rude is it to use the wrong gender for a noun? are germans quite open about this?

[quartz oar]

It isn't rude. It's more like... imagine someone who doesn't speak English very well and keeps confusing the pronouns he/she/it/they. As long as they're only talking about 1 person, things are fine, right? However, if they start telling a story that's a little more complicated, involving several people of various gender, pretty soon, things will get terribly confusing for the listener, right? And that's pretty much what's going to happen in German - just not only with people. ;)

[sturdy path]

It will also make it sound like you don't speak German well. And some people may find it annoying to listen to you speak if you use genders wrong a lot.

I mean, people will be understanding of making mistakes as a learner. But if you got to the point of being able to have a fluent conversation but always used wrong genders, that can be annoying for people to listen to.

[ivory wagon]

Der Gender Pay Gap.

[sturdy path]

Sure. It's "der Gap".

[hallow fable]

It's not rude at all. It's just like Basementality sayed, it can be annoying to listen to for natives if you are fluent but 90% of the time you use the wrong gender. Im my experience with foreigners I can say that it's ok if you make mistakes maybe 10-20% of the time.
Way more important in my opinion are the verb conjugations and sentence structures! You should learn this really good. Genders are somewhat important too but you shouldn't worry too much. Just try to use the right gender. But make sure you use the correct sentence structure and verb conjugation.

[sturdy path]

Yeah, but with genders, even though making a mistake is not that important, the main reason it's important to learn them is because it's way harder to correct yourself later when you already developed a bad habit of using the wrong ones.

Like it's totally fine if you've never heard a word before and don't know the gender, but learning it with the wrong gender can be really annoying to fix later.

[sturdy path]

Sure, I guess Gap is not really common enough in German as a loan word to have an established gender.

[ivory wagon]

sure

[winged stone]

Yea in arabic its the same ik how it sounds when its wrong

[rocky basalt]

I can tell some Native Spanish speakers have issues even in adulthood with some words like águila and agua....