For starters, I'd check out this;
#0 to c1 in 6 months
delicate gullBOT
covert bluff
If you want to hit C1 in 6 months, I think your only hope is if you can afford either
- a private tutor
- a language school with the so-called "Intensivkursen", intensive courses for learning the language intensively.
In either case, you would need to be dedicating at least 4 hours a day to learning the language, if not 8 hours
yeah, C1 in 6 months is incredibly difficult
You would absolutely need a professional teacher or tutor to guide you if you want to achieve C1 in 6 months, in my opinion
plain wagon
Becoming C1 in a year is really hard, and I'd say you'd need all the help you can get. Here are my recommendations, in no particular order;
- This server (any level) is unbelievably useful. People here are wonderful and will help you with corrections and practice.
- Anki cards (any level) can be extremely useful for memorising stuff, I'd highly recommend using them for vocabulary.
- EasyGerman (A1, A2, B1) is a great YouTube channel for learning German grammar and colloquial speak.
- Nicos Weg (A1, A2, B1, B2) is an excellent resource to get started, I recommend it completely.
- Arte (B1, B2, C1) has a lot of good documentaries to watch for listening practice on YouTube.
- Tagesschau (B1, B2, C1) has a lot of good content if you're into news and politics, that's on YouTube and their website.
- #resources (any level) contains a lot of really good content that can help you.
- #questions, #questions-2 and #942470380692590632 (any level) are wonderful if you ever have any questions about German.
- Films and TV Series (B1, B2, C1) are really good for immersion and more listening practice.
- Books (any level) are very good for getting better grammar and vocabulary.
These are resources I recommend you through much experience and usage, but others like Busuu might also be good for you, though I cannot personally rate them.
plain wagon
Becoming C1 in a year is really hard, and I'd say you'd need all the help you ca...
How you will fit these into your time is another question, and one that I'm afraid I can't really help you with.
covert bluff
Step 1: Hire a private tutor.
Step 2: Do what the private tutor tells you to do.
Step 3: Still probably fail, because C1 in 6 months is a high bar
Sorry, just want to manage expectations here
plain wagon
Here's my completely honest opinion, not facts so ignore if you don't care about my recommendations; ||If you want to learn German in 6 months, outside of an immersion program, it'll be extremely hard, if even possible for you. Even if you have complete discipline and work every second that you can on it, I don't think you have enough time outside of school. If you do want to do this, I'd highly recommend either a private tutor (a good one) or an immersion program. My resources above are still very good and I think they can still help you if you really want to go through with this, but I think you'd need even more than them to do this. ||
Alternatively, could you learn to B2 and apply, then keep learning completely to be C1 when you actually get a test? I'm not clear on how this is organised.
Ah, yeah. I'll be completely honest, I don't think that's possible for someone who has to do school at the same time.
That's all I can really advise and offer you, sorry I can't do more to help. I wish you all the best with this.
covert bluff
Basically: This goal is quite difficult, so it is worthwhile to make plans for what happens if you fail and have to do something else, because the chance of failure is very high, even if you try very hard.
tepid basin
Some people here have mentioned that a C1 in 6 months goal is difficult. I actually want to make it clear, that I don't even think it's possible to achieve that. The fastest I've known anyone to do that is a year, and those are even people who are extremely fast learners (much faster than the average person).
Sure. I have some advice though for people who have time-based goals.
You should write out a basic plan for how long you think each level should take.
So this is basically your plan?
A1 - 3 weeks
A2 - 3 weeks
B1 - 6 weeks
B2 - 6 weeks
C1 - 6 weeks
tepid basin
So this is basically your plan?
A1 - 3 weeks
A2 - 3 weeks
B1 - 6 weeks
B2 - 6 we...
The reason why something like this is important is because it helps you to keep track of whether you're progressing realistically.
Hmm, okay.
I would have probably done it like this:
A1 - 2 weeks
A2 - 2 weeks
B1 - 4 weeks
B2 - 8 weeks
C1 - 8 weeks
Sure, you should see if you can because that's an important step to see if you are someone able to learn the language quickly.
true veldt
its your first language?
C1 is the level at which a lot of natives speak so you are gonna need at least half a year just to hear them talk and talk back to learn how the language is actually used besides the grammar you learn
spark gulch
So this is basically your plan?
A1 - 3 weeks
A2 - 3 weeks
B1 - 6 weeks
B2 - 6 we...
God 6 weeks from b2 to c1
That sounds fucking impossible
strange tendon
remind <6mo> <Hast du es geschafft?>
delicate gullBOT
Okay @strange tendon. You will be reminded in 6 months.
strange tendon
Natives do struggle with Uni, I can't imagine someone with a rushed "C1" at ETH Zurich in Swiss German 
olive ibex
The thing is, I'd compare what you're trying to to to be on the level of someone training a 1st year grade schooler to clear the advanced mathematics final exam for high school diploma in half a year, starting from the level of the person being able to just do addition up to 20, while the grade schooler has half of the day filled with other things. It will be extremely tiring. I wouldn't say it's physically impossible, but you won't have any free time during the whole ordeal at all. Like, you should ignore homework and learn German during school lessons to even have a chance. You can't really listen to podcasts and the like as well, as it would be too time-inefficient. In the beginning, you're not going to be able to understand anything at all, and at the end, there wouldn't be enough new words per hour to meet your required quota. I think that's one reason people are recommending immersion courses and private teachers - because this frees you of some of those constraints.
I don't know how similar the German and Turkish and/or Kurdish grammar are, but if there aren't a lot of similarities you can build upon, this would be another major challenge as the German grammar is more complicated as the English grammar in a lot of areas.
olive ibex
Natives do struggle with Uni, I can't imagine someone with a rushed "C1" at ETH ...
Not "can". A lot of natives do struggle with uni. And at "easier" unis than eth as well.
I'm thinking about how to streamline the process learning right now. Obviously, you wouldn't be able to use the "usual" route of building incrementally slowly - that takes way too long. I'M not a language teacher - or especially knowledgeable in the field of language teaching. As far as I can tell, you'd have to get an understanding of these areas:
- vocab recognition/passive vocab
- vocab usage/active vocab
- grammar
- listening
- pronunciation
Vocab usage/active vocab is probably the hardest to train.
I'm thinking about grammar learning in particular. Question to those more qualified than me: Would it help to get an overview of the concepts to study all of the grammar at once with like the same 20 basic words of vocab, until all of the different structures and usages are clear? Like, first learn all about nouns, then all about verbs, all about adjectives,... all about main clauses, all about subjunctive clauses... in one package each, because you'd already be in the "correct/prepared mindset" for it, and not jumping topics as much?
fringe pivot
I'm thinking about how to streamline the process learning right now. Obviously, ...
I wouldn't say I'm any more qualified than you, I just have some purely anecdotal evidence. Based on which I tend to think what you're suggesting might work - up to a point. Somebody who'd gone over all the grammar concepts, and who had a really excellent memory would then be theoretically able to construct a B2-worthy sentence. IMO, the problem would be: everybody would have fallen asleep by the time the person came up with the sentence, since they'd have had to build it from scratch in their head first. I think a huge amount of what we call fluency is based on not-having-to-think-about verb forms, construction and meaning, or at least not all of them at the same time. At least some of it has to come off a template in your head - and building those templates takes practice, and therefore time. Whereas if you basically still have to actively think about whether to combine ich with bin or ist... You get my drift, don't you?
olive ibex
I wouldn't say I'm any more qualified than you, I just have some purely anecdota...
Yeah, but we're talking about speedrunning a language, basically. You'd have to cut some corners to make that work, and I was thinking about what that corners might be.
covert bluff
3/4ths of the test aren't speaking, and so building a German sentence for those sections doesn't need to occur in real-time
But...even with the writing section, you'd need to be able to construct very accurate sentences in a not-that-long amount of time in order to write a mini-essay, and of course, you do still need to pass the speaking section
fringe pivot
Yeah, but we're talking about speedrunning a language, basically. You'd have to ...
And I was basically saying: IMO, language learning can only be rushed up to a point. ;)
olive ibex
I didn't say you wouldn't do any sentence-building at all. I thought more about having like ~3 months where you do just the grammatical constructs with base vocab, nothing sophisticated at all. Like always using variations of the same words and sentence types, until you got through everything, and then try to build upon it with all of the vocab you've learned.
olive ibex
And I was basically saying: IMO, language learning can only be rushed up to a po...
I agree. I totally agree. I was starting off with the assumption that it was possible in the first place, because that was the assumption of the whole thread - and I'd made clear previously that I had doubt about this working.
I mean, the initial question wasn't "if" it was possible, but rather "how".
And repeating that doubt over and over again won't help with the initial problem.
tepid basin
I'm thinking about how to streamline the process learning right now. Obviously, ...
Like, first learn all about nouns, then all about verbs, all about adjectives,... all about main clauses, all about subjunctive clauses... in one package each, because you'd already be in the "correct/prepared mindset" for it, and not jumping topics as much?
Personally I would say that this doesn't sound like a reasonable way to learn a language. Topics don't really line up in a neat way like this. Grammar concepts are intertwined and mixed-topic knowledge might be a prerequisite for certain other knowledge.
It's also generally the case that each language is learned better in its own way.
What I mean is, an approach that works well for German, might not work well for another language.
cunning totem
I would have probably done it like this:
A1 - 2 weeks
A2 - 2 weeks
B1 - 4 weeks
...
@novel zephyr do take note that you also have to do the examination (e.g.: Goethe-Zertifikat C1), which means you have to check when the lastest C1 exam is available at your place (example : 1st March, and you need to make sure that you could get your certificate before 31st March and have time to send to ETH if you take exam at 1st March), and you have to finish preparing C1 by this date.
So, your C1 dateline is not 31st March, but earlier, which means you may still need to do faster than the time frame you have suggested
Do check when Goethe/TestDaF/ÖSD etc. is holding the C1
tepid basin
<@702602054341886053> do take note that you also have to do the examination (e.g...
The main timeline was what they provided. I just changed the balance to give more time to later content instead of Level A.
cunning totem
Ah I see
you could get private tutor for 1 to 1 classes, so that they can suit their teaching plan to your needs and advise you accordingly
tepid basin
If you have a tutor, they will be able to help you make a plan.
For starting right now, I'd recommend to just heavily focus on these 3 things: learn the pronunciation and how to read as soon as possible, start learning vocab daily right away, and drill the beginner grammar as well.
Firstly, make sure you understand what noun gender is, and make sure you learn every new noun with the gender + plural.
For week 1 of grammar: try to learn all the nominative and accusative pronouns and articles as well as present tense verb conjugation and word order of main clauses and question clauses.
faq beginner
delicate gullBOT
tepid basin
Basically all these topics.
true veldt
remember , the more you study intensively without unwinding the longer the break you're gonna have to take for the new information to settle 😅
learning huge subjects like a language is a marathon not a sprint
i don't know if the 6months track is long enough to finish it lol