questions-2

[near folio]

kommt wohl etwas auf den Kontext an. Was wurde der Person gesagt, worauf hat sie reagiert?

[night dagger]

danke

[swift bough]

Ja dem stimme ich zu

Aber generell fände ich das nicht mal passiv-aggressiv

Was sich aber je nach dem Kontext ändern könnte

[night dagger]

lol ok, also könntet ihr mir vielleicht zeigen, wie genau ihr es passiv aggressiv benutzen würdet?

[night dagger]

1

Da ist ein Löffel. Da ist einer.

[swift bough]

Es kommt halt auf den Kontext an, wie gesagt.

[glass hawk]

In this instance, a pronoun: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/einer#Pronoun

[swift bough]

Ich könnte mir halt vorstellen dass es möglich ist

teuerer

[mellow nova]

teurer 👀

[icy flax]

A: ich hab den ganzen Aufsatz unserer Gruppe wieder geschrieben.
B: Mh... Sieht nicht besonders gut aus.
A: Wenn du eine Emfehlung hast, sag mir halt Bescheid. 🙃

[slender cloud]

Does this mean "I am planning a birthday" in German?

ich bin vorhaben ein geburtstag

[delicate tiger]

"Ich plane eine Geburtstagsfeier"

[fervent kernel]

why is, was heißt du?, incorrect?

[mellow nova]

in general german does not have that continuous tense like in English

I am __verb__ing
is usually translated to just
ich verb

[long whale]

Because "what" doesn't always translate to "was". 🤷 :)

[slender cloud]

verbs are hard 😭

[long whale]

No, it doesn't, because "etwas vorhaben" usually requires a 2nd verb: "vorhaben, etwas zu tun" (to be planning to do something). :)

[mellow nova]

it's also not sure that it's going to occur

[dapper gorge]

I mean, it's simpler that way. Or would you prefer German to have more tenses? 😂

[long whale]

Cheer up: you won't be required to learn anywhere near as many tenses as learners of English are required to learn. ;)

[mellow nova]

Sometimes I say something in English and realize it was a string of like 8 versions of 'to have' in a row

I would have had to have had

i would hate to learn english

[slender cloud]

true

[frail hemlock]

ich war unterwegs in der richtung universität
ich war unterwegs in die richtung universität
welches davon ist richtig? oder ergeben die überhaupt sinn? 😭

[quaint sail]

Frage, darf man überhaupt in deutschland die polizei aufnehmen wenn man angehalten wird. aus Sicherheits gründen

gehört nicht zur sprache aber will ich versuche es trotzdem

[west cedar]

Was meinst du mit “polizei aufnehmen”

Mit der Kamera?

Wenn du das meinst, nein, ich würde es nicht machen. Du solltest sie vorher fragen aber heimlich filmen oder aufnehmen ist verboten.

[long whale]

Easy. You wouldn't use the article (you do have to capitalize, though. It isn't optional in German): in Richtung Universität :)

[frail hemlock]

oh danke ! 😆😆

[solid hull]

It doesn't mean aspect can't be expressed in German, though. Apart from those constructions actually existing in regional German, in the standard you have adverbs that you can use to get a closer translation to the English

He is eating - er isst (gerade)

[mellow nova]

yes i said that

[solid hull]

where

[mellow nova]

right under that message i said that the continuous tense is expressed by using the present tense

[solid hull]

i honestly don't see it, can you link/quote it

[solid hull]

like this

[mellow nova]

j

[solid hull]

there's no mention of adverbs to express aspect, or anything my message was about

[mellow nova]

ok

[solid hull]

boiwatdehellboi

[fallen stratus]

Man kann continuous tense benutzen, aber es ist nicht so gramatikalische korrekt.
Zum Beispiel: Ich bin beim Essen, das wird oft benutzt, aber meistens nur bei "spoken german" nicht schriftliche.

[swift bough]

Continuous tense heißt auf Deutsch „Verlaufsform“

[fallen stratus]

ja, danke

[autumn marsh]

the most popular Verlaufsform is constructed with sein + am (infinitiv)

ich bin am trinken
ich bin am laufen

German doesn't need it but it seems to be creeping in Into the language

[long whale]

"beim" + activity is fine in Standard German, even in formal writing. It's the "am" + activity (see the post by ahcos right above) which is dialectal and not acceptable in Standard German. :)

[frail hemlock]

also..wie würdest du es ausdrücken? damit es mehr natürlich anklingt?

[fervent kernel]

Is there a graph showing ways to stop using the word "sehr" for Adjektiven? For example rather than say wunderschön you say traumhaft

[karmic monolith]

You can use worda like "echt" and "total" as alternatives, they work the same way

[karmic monolith]

More informally, you can say "übels", "sowas von" and "unnormal" tho they might be région specific, idk

[fervent kernel]

Thanks, that also kinda works but it's not really what I'm looking for

What I'm looking for is "complete" Adjektives that don't need a sehr or voll or echt

Sehr groß vs riesiges

Or sehr stark vs mächtig

You know what I mean? Words that make you sound more sophisticated and eloquent

[long whale]

Just google "nicht steigerbare Adjektive". You'll get lots of results. :)

BTW, wunderschön is one of them. :)

[fervent kernel]

👍

[fervent kernel]

i googled it and it's not what i'm looking for

looking for something like this

[karmic monolith]

Think I've found one

[dry lava]

Ich versuche zu verstehen, wann man "jeweils" benutzen kann.
Kann ich so etwas sagen?
"Ich habe vier Kisten, in jeweils eine Katze ist"

Mit jeweils einer Katze?

[hazy ingot]

Can you give me some context?

Ahh no

I understand

[dry lava]

[hazy ingot]

I have four boxes and every box has 1 cat in it

[dry lava]

So my sentence works, right? In jeweils

[hazy ingot]

No It doesn’t work

[dry lava]

How then?

[hazy ingot]

Ich habe vier Kisten mit jeweils einer Katze.

Im not sure with the commas

[dry lava]

Okay. So this one works

Danke

[dry lava]

Well, in my course book, there is no comma

[hazy ingot]

Kein Problem 😀

[hazy ingot]

Ok

[dusty pendant]

what's the difference between machen and tun?
it's so confusing to me

I know machen can also mean 'to make [something]'

but like, when do you use tun and when do you use machen?

[swift bough]

@dusty pendant a lot of it is just simply knowing what to use in any given context. I mean there is a slight difference in meaning but I don’t know how to describe it, especially because it just depends on the context, so even if I were to give you a specific example, there will be other cases where it’s used differently. There’s probably explanations for it on google. Sometimes they can even be kinda interchangeable…but it’s context dependent.

[merry python]

The meanings are pretty similar, just like "to make" und "to do". But there is a little difference in use. Machen is more like a process of doing something, sometimes receiving a product in the end. E.g. "Ich mache Pizza" or "Ich mache Fotos". Tun is more general, just like to do. E.g. "Mein Kopf tut weh" or "X hat nichts mit Y zu tun". In these cases, you couldn’t use machen @dusty pendant

[swift bough]

But there is also a different feeling between „was machst du“ and „was tust du“, wouldn’t ya say? @merry python

[dusty pendant]

aha, i see

from what i can sorta see

machen is more like
doing something with an object??
but tun is like doing a... not an object??

i can see how they're similar

[swift bough]

I almost feel like was tust du feels almost more worried or accusatory, less casual sounding

[merry python]

That's true!

[swift bough]

Not really true.

It just depends

[dusty pendant]

ye ye

so, it's fuzzy, even for native speakers?

[merry python]

"Was tust du" sounds more like an accusation

[swift bough]

There is also „jemandem etwas antun“ which has the connotation of something bad being done

[dusty pendant]

yeah so, if you were a native speaker [or were around the language enough] you'd get it?

what should I do for now?

[merry python]

It's hard to explain the difference! If you are native, you'll know that with your own native language, you just intuitively know what you should use, without thinking about a reason

[dusty pendant]

i do sort of feel the difference

but, ty

:)

[autumn marsh]

you should mostly stick to "machen" btw, "tun" is in general more for fixed phrases that you will learn with time, e.g.:

"Das tut nichts zur Sache" > that does not matter
"Das tut man nicht." [can also use 'machen' here, tho] > You don't do that
"Wo tut es weh? - Hier tut es weh! Es tut so weh!" > where does it hurt? - It hurts here! It hurts so much!
"Ich hab nichts getan!" [can also use 'machen' here] > i didn't do anything!

[dusty pendant]

i see, ty

[autumn marsh]

outside of some fixed phrase, 'tun' is generally a word that is used as a substitute for when we're lacking a better word, but that's about it with the uses

you're gererally far better of using "machen", and if you have to guess, use "machen"

you might sound funny sometimes but chances that you'll sound funny with "tun" are MUCH higher 😄

[dusty pendant]

ok! :D

[fervent kernel]

"du tust das Ding so" followed by some weird gesture to mimik the verb

[autumn marsh]

yea well, imagine someone is lacking the word for "to apply a salve onto something" [auftragen, anwenden, verwenden] together with "rubbing in the salve" [einreiben] or is not sure which verb to use, that person could say:

"Das tust du hier so drauf ... und dann tust du das hier ... [continues to show how to rub in]" > you put that on this like that ...and then you do that here ...

so in those situations is "like that": "Das machst/tust du so" > you do it like that

[frail hemlock]

Ich habe noch mal eine Frage. Was bedeutet "du bist so hängen geblieben"?

[wise pendant]

"hängen geblieben" is equivalent to "retarded"

[frail hemlock]

i-

omg

[frail hemlock]

okay danke ! 👍

[fervent kernel]

can you explain why, and on a scale from 1 to 10, how offensive is it? like if you give your phone to your friend, and he lets it slips and hits the ground but it doesnt break, can you in that case say " geht's dir gut? bist du hängen geblieben oder wat?

[wise pendant]

About an 8. It's quite offensive and I'd not use that with friends.

It's like "being stuck in your mental development"

[fervent kernel]

[ancient aspen]

depends on how good you're with your friend haha

[nimble willow]

Hello, I'd like to ask as to why both Ihr & euch are used in this sentence, "..oder streitet ihr euch die ganze Zeit?"

I get it's a question and what it means etc. but I am not too sure as to why it requires both Ihr & euch

[ancient aspen]

that's a damn good question haha

[subtle comet]

How do I keep motivation on learning german particles

[nimble willow]

It has left me confused for a while ahah

[swift bough]

What kind of particles…past particles or modal particles

[subtle comet]

Both

[swift bough]

Wait actually they’re past participles

Not particles

Lol brain fart

[subtle comet]

Im trying to learn all particles

[swift bough]

1. don’t worry about modal particles until you’re more comfortable with intermediate topics 2. past participles are fairly simple…it just takes some memorization

[subtle comet]

I got doch down to earth

Still having to try and think about the others

[swift bough]

Modal particles are one of the most advanced topics because they don’t carry any real meaning or literal translation most of the time

They’re used mostly for emphasis

[subtle comet]

Like context?

[swift bough]

What?

[subtle comet]

Emphasis big word

[swift bough]

No

Doesn’t mean context

It means you stress something with a modal particle

[subtle comet]

Like give importance?

That makes more sense

:

[subtle comet]

Cool

[nimble willow]

It's a reflexive verb: sich streiten. You need both the subject Ihr and the reflexive pronoun euch for it to be a grammatically valid sentence.

[nimble willow]

Someone (Pferd) from the general chat very kindly answered the question!

[ancient aspen]

he/she's smarter then me when it comes to grammar xD

[subtle comet]

English grammar falls to german grammar

[dusty pendant]

Kann man "ich hab" oder "ich werd" ohne E am Ende sagen? [i hope that sentence was good lol]

[fallen galleon]

ja

ist umganssprachlich

mach das aber nicht wenn du mit deinem Chef redest oder einen formellen Text schreibst

[karmic monolith]

Ja, du kannst das mit jedem Verb machen

[dusty pendant]

danke!

[fervent kernel]

casual spoken german removes like every E

like gehen becomes geh'n

or gönnen is gön'n

[dusty pendant]

good to know
I thought so

since it feels really wordy with it

[fervent kernel]

if u listen to rap you notice it instantly

[coarse sparrow]

Ich kann die Struktur dieses Satz nicht verstehen, vor allem bis "durchaus gewachsen"

Die Erschließung neuer Klangdimensionen - "Parameter", so hieß das Zauberwort - mit der impliziten Negation des verdinglichten Schönen als des Bequemen und Gewohnten ursprünglich der ästhetischen Fragestellung durchaus gewachsen, etabliert sich im weiteren Verlauf der Entwicklung zum selbstgefälligen Manierismus eines blind technizistisch und empiristisch orientierten Materialdenkens.

[long whale]

No wonder. This is a challenge even for native speakers. 😹 I can explain the structure, but that doesn't mean I understand what the author was trying to say, okay? So, to make it a bit easier, you could rephrase as Die Erschließung neuer Klangdimensionen*, die* mit der impliziten Negation des verdinglichten Schönen als des Bequemen und Gewohnten ursprünglich der ästhetischen Fragestellung durchaus gewachsen war, etabliert sich verwandelt sich im weiteren Verlauf der Entwicklung zum in den selbstgefälligen Manierismus eines blind technizistisch und empiristisch orientierten Materialdenkens. Does that help?

[coarse sparrow]

oh yes now it is easier to understand it, whenever I read books in german, I'm always surprised how they can write such long sentences. thank you

[loud spindle]

The calls for ... are getting louder.

[novel jackal]

Hey guys, when do Germans use wann vs ob?

[scenic drift]

you can think of "ob" as "whether"

also, do you mean "wenn"?

basically "ob" = "whether", "wenn" = "when"

"I don't know, whether I will have time" -> use ob
"I will come when I have time" -> use wenn

("wann" means "when" in an interrogative sense: "when will you have time?")

[lucid sluice]

Is this grammatically correct?
„Ich könnte nicht genau erklären, warum das dann so ist, aber ich glaube dass es mit Corona zu tun hat“

[haughty karma]

you missed the comma before "dass" but else it's correct

[lucid sluice]

Thank you

[fervent kernel]

in this video at 1:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqhYVW53hzo the woman says " Sprache ist ein System vom Zeichen mit feststehende Bedeutung"

shouldn't it be "voN Zeichen" and "feststehendeN"

[delicate tiger]

you misheard, "...von Zeichen mit feststehender Bedeutung."

[sudden cloud]

"Ich finde, wir können stolz
darauf sein, wie friedlich wir zusammenleben und was wir geschafft haben in diesem Land." In this sentence, why doesnt the "in diesem Land" have to be before "geschafft haben" ? 🙂

[haughty karma]

It's both possible: Your version would emphasize on living together in this country, the other one on the stuff that we achieved in this country

[long whale]

You're right. It does. In formal writing, that's definitely where it would be. :)

I'm guessing this is from a speech where the speaker was kind of trying to sound less formal. In casual speech, this kind of thing will happen very often, anyway. :)

[fervent kernel]

what is the optimal path to learn das überzeugender sprechen and die Rhetorik der deutschen Sprache?

[long whale]

Keep it simple and straightforward. We don't appreciate flowery speech. And the fact it's possible to make page-long sentences in German doesn't mean you should. :)

[fervent kernel]

are you talking on behalf of 83 million Einwohners or stating your opinion?

[autumn marsh]

no, she/he is right.

especially on the part or the page-long sentences. it's consider bad rhetorical style, generally. people do it do make it seem that they are really smart, but it is not a good style

it's obviously different when we're talking poetry and stuff, but if you're ready to write meaningful poetry in german you don't our help anymore 😄

and when you're using a lot of poetic, flowery words, you WILL be seen as weird by germans. we just do not do that. it'll be excused by you being [insert your country], but you will notice it's not something germans do themselves.

If we're making fun of other countries [usually in a friendly way, mind you], it's often used as a part of the joke to deliberately use flowery language to characterize the language that we experience as wildly poetic. a good example would be if you'd want to have an italian person in your story, that person would tend to use poetic words.

or for example, that US-americans LOVE everything

we think that is strange 😄

ofc there are always exceptions to that, and often enough it is excactly that huge level of excitement that we love about folk from other countries, so don't hesitate being how you are around people from germany!

[fervent kernel]

so you dont just say words that you have at your disposal? if you like someone eyes, do you say " du hast schöne Augen" and that's it? why not say du hast faszinierende Augen"

if you have an immigrationshintergrund are you excluded from having an erweiterte Vocabulary?

jsut because some people might think im weird?

do women not wear skirts because someone might think they are sluts?

what's your point?

[autumn marsh]

my point is that we usually do not use them, or in small doses

you're free to use whatever you want, i'm just explaining how it comes accross when you're speaking with germans

we just do not go around loving everything and describe everything in the brightest colors

[sudden cloud]

do you say "Fussball und seine Bedeutung für..." oder "Fussball und ihre Bedeutung für"? My dictionary says both of them can mean "its".

[fervent kernel]

sein is maskulin and ihr is feminine

[sudden cloud]

so ihre since bedeutung is feminine?

[fervent kernel]

it's actually ihrer wrong

because genitiv it's akkusativ, thanks ahcos for correction

[autumn marsh]

if it just refers to "fußball", it's 'seine'

[glass hawk]

No, the specific pronoun you choose relates to the gender of the noun it refers back to, which is masculine (Football and its...); the ending that you give to that pronoun is what refers to the gender of Bedeutung

[autumn marsh]

if it is "basketball und fußball und ihre Bedeutung", then it's ihre because it's plural

[sudden cloud]

and is it genitiv as v clyp sys

says

[autumn marsh]

Der Fußball und seine Bedeutung für [die Wirtschaft, das soziale Leben, die Gesellschaft ...]"

[sudden cloud]

so not seiner?

[autumn marsh]

no seiner

it's something different if you do sentences like: "Der Fußball ist sich seiner Bedeutung bewusst" [if you're using football as a person], that would be Dativ

but in that case it's Akkusativ

[sudden cloud]

so in my case its akkusativ?

[sudden cloud]

what about neutrum

[sudden cloud]

thanks

[autumn marsh]

you take "sein" and it has to agree with the case of the word it's aiming at, in this case "Bedeutung"

"sein" cause it's der Fußball (masculine)

[sudden cloud]

but how do we know it is akkusativ then, if -e can also be nominativ

[autumn marsh]

look again, the table shows "sein" for masculine singular

nominativ

Der Fußball und seine Bedeutungen, but that is plural where you can actually not see wether it's akkusativ or nominativ just by that ending

then again, it's pretty easy to know that it can not be Nominativ cause you have a subject and an object

[fervent kernel]

"ich bin zu der Auffassung gelangt, dass ich daran ein stärker Anteil nehmen sollte, in meinen Sprachfertigkeiten zu perfektionieren"

does this count as flowery speech?

i want to learn more of this and less of " die Currywurst schmeckt super"

[autumn marsh]

"Ich bin zu der Auffassung gelangt, dass ich einen stärkeren Anteil daran nehmen sollte, meine Sprachfertigkeiten zu perfektionieren."

1. u have to use the Perfekt, i guess you know that
2. if you put "daran" where you did, it would refer to something that was in the sentence before, but you want to point it at "Anteil"
3. scrap the "in", unless you say: "in meine Sprachfähigkeiten zu investieren, but your chosing of words is better

"Anteil nehmen" does not really fit too well, usually "Anteil nehmen" is used when you you're giving condolences: "Ich möchte meine Anteilnahme ausdrücken / ich möchte sagen, dass ich an ihrem Leid Anteil nehme" or something like that.
if you say: "Anteil haben", then what you're saying is: I think i should play a bigger role in perfecting my knowledge

i guess what you want to say would be: "... that i should do more for ..."

..., dass ich mehr dafür machen/tun sollte, ..."

it's not exactly flowery, but it's what we call "gestelzt" 😄

as in: unnecessary complicated

little bit dated aswell, the expression: "Ich bin zu der Auffassung gelangt" sounds a little dated. You can use it, personally i like that kind of language, but it does sound a little odd

[fervent kernel]

"ich erkenne, dass ich mehr für meine Sprachkompetenz machen soll"

[autumn marsh]

easier and straight forward:

"Ich bin der Meinung, dass ich mehr dafür tun sollte, meine Sprachfertigkeiten zu verbessern."

[autumn marsh]

soll vs. sollte

soll = someone told you to do it: "Ich soll mehr für meine Sprachkompetenz machen" > someone, e.g. your teacher, told you to do more
sollte = i should, "Ich sollte mehr für meine Sprachkompetenz machen" > i should do more, e.g. because i think it would be good/usefull

[sudden cloud]

so konjunktiv ll?

[fervent kernel]

i can feel my brain growing

thanks

👍

[autumn marsh]

also you can't use "erkennen" like that. you can use "anerkennen", but only if you're dealing with some sort of legal issue or another kind of problem that you want to aknowledge

"Ich erkenne an, dass ich ..." like that

in that case, someone would have told you that you are for example really bad and is giving you a lecture that you have been a bad student

"Ich erkenne an, dass ich in den letzten Monaten sehr faul war."

[swift bough]

Also worth mentioning that soll actually means „shall“. There is a disconnect for us English speakers because nobody uses „shall“ when speaking or even writing. We use „should“ for everything.

For German you have to know the difference tho

[autumn marsh]

what you want to use instead would be something like:

"Ich verstehe, dass ich mehr ..." > you understand that you should do more if you do not want something to happen
"Ich sehe ein, dass ... " > you've come to understand
"Ich sehe, dass ... " > i realize that i should to more to reach my goal

[wild gazelle]

I agree generally, but it is not absolutely obsolete, shall is still used occasionally, mostly in British English unless I am mistaken.

[swift bough]

For my own personal everyday speech it is absolutely 100% obsolete

[autumn marsh]

you shall not abandon "shall", i say

[wild gazelle]

I am just curious. Where do live generally? Everybody speech, sure, but writing I do see it sometimes.

[swift bough]

That being said, I can still intuitively feel the difference between „You shall clean up your room right now“ and „You should clean up your room right now“.

[fervent kernel]

"Ich erkenne an, dass ich in letzten Monaten sehr faul war mit dem Lernen meiner Sprache, nun jetz sehe ich ein, dass ich mehr dafür tun sollte"

[swift bough]

But we tend to prefer „you’ll clean up your room right now“ instead of „shall“ (or „clean up your room now!“)

[swift bough]

It’s closer to the west coast of the USA (not sure if it actually counts as West but it at least definitely isn’t East)

[fervent kernel]

can also somebody please explain again that thing with the sentence " gesehen hab ich gar nichts"

somebody had posted a link explaining it, i think die Susana, but i lost the link

[autumn marsh]

..., nun jetzt

but apart from that, well yea you can say that. I'd still suggest not using "Ich erkenne an, ..." unless someone has made an accusation of some sort, like saying you didn't do enough and is threatening with some sort of backlash or something

better: "Ich verstehe, ..."

or "ich sehe, ..."

[fervent kernel]

what about ich merke?

[autumn marsh]

what is there to explain? just means: "didn't see anything"

[fervent kernel]

the satzbau

[autumn marsh]

"ich merke" is really good, yea. if you came to realize it

[swift bough]

I don’t encounter that sentence structure all that often honestly

As compared to the other one

[autumn marsh]

idk, it's just a usual way to emphasize "gesehen"

imagine it like this

the police questions you and they ask you what you have seen, but you answer:

"Gesehen habe ich garnichts, aber gehört habe ich, dass eine Frau schrie."

[fervent kernel]

and is the sentence i wrote also gramatically correct? " dass ich in letzten Monaten sehr faul war mit dem Lernen meiner Sprache" or do i have to put sehr faul war am Ende?

[scenic drift]

yeah, i'd put it at the end

also "in den letzten Monaten beim Lernen..." sounds better to me but i'm not sure if yours is wrong per se

[autumn marsh]

no, it's grammtically correct

[scenic drift]

you need the verb at the end with dass tho, no? 🤔

[autumn marsh]

i mean, i'd have expressed it differently, e.g. i would have written:

"dass ich in den letzten Monaten zu wenig Zeit damit verbracht habe zu üben", just because "faul" is kinda informal and i wouldn't use it in written text

[fervent kernel]

there's a specific rule for such cases, like a position at the end of the satz where you can put anything

but for the life of me i can't remember what it's called

[autumn marsh]

well ... yes, technically correct but this is definitely how you could say it and you'll also often see constructions like that in informal speech

[scenic drift]

informal speech sure, but writing an essay and the like?

[autumn marsh]

"Der Mann war so dumm, dass er unbeliebt war bei seinen Freunden."

[swift bough]

The word faul is informal? 🤔

[autumn marsh]

i'd not use it in written text.

[swift bough]

There isn’t a formal word for „lazy“ in English that I’m aware of

[swift bough]

Fair enough

[autumn marsh]

well, especially essays you have a lot of leeway regarding your language

if you're writing something scientific, of course you should pay attention to something like that

essays are a form of texts that give you freedom to play around with language

[fervent kernel]

doch

[scenic drift]

i mean ,the point i'm trying to make is that if they're learning it for school...

[autumn marsh]

you might play around with language to make it more melodic, to make it rhyme and stuff

[scenic drift]

you wouldn't play with language in an academic essay

[autumn marsh]

certainly not but i have no clue what he's writing it for 😄

[rustic jetty]

hello, i want learn german

[scenic drift]

naja, might be good to include a disclaimer either way 😅

[autumn marsh]

and i'm not in the position to assume anything about what someone is doing, so unless someone tells me "it's for my exam" i'm giving advice based off how the language is actually used

[fervent kernel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acedia

[autumn marsh]

the sentence he wrote is not 100% correct but it's also not screaming "FALSE FALSE FALSE"

it's also something that german natives will write in like emails and stuff. if it's for a scientific paper (which i doubt, judging from the context) yes it has to be reworked, but then we also have to talk chosing of words

[swift bough]

But I couldn’t even see any person using that word instead of lazy in any formal text

[autumn marsh]

btw, i just realized that we might have a different understanding of essay, my bad.

an Essay in germany is a very specific form of a text, while it's used as a general expression in english for a scientific paper

so yes, you are allowed to play around with your language even in Essays in germany, just because that is how they're defined, to be less formal

of course, that will not be the same in "english essays", which seem to be more what we'd call "wissenschaftliche Arbeit"

in an Essay in Germany you might even use cursewords, direct speech, or bring in your oppinion for example

[swift bough]

Also wouldn’t this mean more like „laziness“ than „lazy“ anyway

[autumn marsh]

without marking it explicitely

you're also not forced to make any citations of any sort.

basically it's a "freestyle"-kind of text, in a way, you're just freely writing about a certain topic without going to the lengths of a full book or something

[untold rain]

Is " es ist zwanzig nach vier uhr" wrong? Is the uhr unnecessary?

[scenic drift]

please don't post the same qusetion in multiple channels

[cosmic tendon]

Der Grauspitz mit 2.599 Metern ist der höchste Berg der Liechtensteiner Alpen.
if it is "genitiv" and "die Alpen" why they said "der Liechtensteiner" and not "der Liechtensteinen"

[long whale]

If an adjective derived from a place name ends in -er, it doesn't change its ending, the ending remains -er in all cases, singular and plural. See also https://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/sprachratgeber/Von-Ortsnamen-abgeleitete-Adjektive-auf-isch-er :)

I think it's also the only case where an adjective will be capitalized.

[cosmic tendon]

ok ,but they said in the same text this :
Es grenzt im Westen an den Schweizer Kanton St. Gallen und im Süden an den Kanton Graubünden sowie im Osten an das österreichische Bundesland Vorarlberg.

this get me lost "an das österreichische" ?

[long whale]

Yes, well, österreichisch doesn't end in -er, it ends in -isch. And those adjectives get the usual endings. As is pointed out in that Duden article I linked to. :)

[cosmic tendon]

thank you i will take a look on it

[onyx rain]

I was studying relativ clauses, which variant of the sentence is correct?

1. Der Mann, mit dem du sprichst, ist mein Bruder.
2. Der Mann, mit wem du sprichst, ist mein Bruder.
   I have a few questions, can we use "wem" here ?
   Is "wem" reserved for questions ?

[karmic monolith]

The first one is correct

[haughty karma]

The second one is only correct in bavarya. Usually no 1

I cant think of an example where "wem" is not a question word. But for "wer" there are other examples

[onyx rain]

Ok, danke

[amber plover]

"Wem Deutsch nicht leicht fällt, sollte mehr üben."
here an example

"Mit wem sie gerne Deutsch lernt, hat sie nicht gesagt."

[haughty karma]

Dann fehlt das noch auf https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/wem

aber nicht auf der verlinkten "wer" Seite

[onyx rain]

Der Mann, dessen Hund mit ich hatte gespielt, war mein Vater.
I was told to come up with Genitiv example of relative clause, what do you think of the above one ?
I am thinking that maybe with "mit" at the beginning of the clause it might turn dative but...yes I am a bit confused.

[woeful spade]

I would correct your sentence with "Der Mann, mit dessen Hund ich gespielt habe, war mein Vater"
I don't think it would turn into Dative because you still can ask the question "Mit wessen Hund habe ich gespielt?" as we learned at school

[onyx rain]

Ok. Ich habe gedacht, dass das Wort nach "mit" immer Dativ ist. Vielleicht ist es falsch. Danke.

[swift bough]

No, you’re right. „Mit“ always requires dative. The thing is though, there’s no such thing as a dative version of „wessen/dessen“, so it can’t change.

[onyx rain]

Ach so!

[spring socket]

How do I know when to say eines der instead of einer der ?

[tender panther]

einer when the plural thing is masculine, eine when feminine, eines when neuter

[spring socket]

Einer der Drachen ist dorthin geflogen, um die Schatzkammer zu besuchen

Eines der Gasthäuser hat ein Problem mit Ratten

Eine der Trainerinnen hat ihr gesagt, sie sollte eine Pause machen

Do these work?

[wintry geode]

Yes, but for the third sentence you need the conjunctive so it will be

Eine der Trainerinnen hat ihr gesagt, sie solle eine Pause machen.

[spring socket]

Thanks sothasil @tender panther and thanks Primax @wintry geode

[drifting mulch]

I’m struggling with the different was to say you or someone else doesn’t have something so: keinen, keine, kein, and nicht

In which context do you use each of those?

[spring socket]

kein is used to decline nouns (ich habe keine Zeit --> I don't have any time) while nicht is used to decline verbs (ich schwimme nicht gern --> I don't like swimming). While nicht is always the same (no nichte, nichten etc), kein changes depending on the gender of the following noun: Ich trinke keinen Wein (der Wein --> den Wein), ich esse kein Brot (das Brot --> kein Brot), ich esse keine Pizza (die Pizza --> kiene Pizza)

[drifting mulch]

Thank you!

[dusty pendant]

When we put a noun into a different case, do we have to change every adjective?
I'm assuming that we do, but what about the indefinite article? [or with feminine nouns in nominative]
would it be eine kleine katze?
[ping with answer]

[swift bough]

Yes you do have to

If it’s an adverb though you don’t

[dusty pendant]

i see, ty
it just sounds a bit wordy though

[swift bough]

Wordy?

But declensions aren’t words themselves

[dusty pendant]

lotsa syllables i guess
i'm lazy when i talk

[swift bough]

Well germans can be too but they aren’t really so lazy to where they completely skip declensions

It would just be grammatically wrong

[dusty pendant]

i understand that ye
i'm not saying it sounds bad or anything

im just used to english with all the contractions

xD

[swift bough]

Well German still has plenty of contractions

Sometimes if you skip some certain contractions it even sounds wrong / weird

Or comes across differently

[dusty pendant]

I've seen that only with es?
like in wie gehts/wie geht's

[swift bough]

there are lots more

im, aufs, ins, aufm, mitm, durchs, ums, fürs

And many more

übers, am, beim

You will learn them as you go

[dusty pendant]

ohh yeah those

I forgot about those

by forgot I mean I forgot that they were contractions

[swift bough]

There are other contractions with „ist“ in them too tho. Like

Ist‘s
War‘s
Läuft‘s

[solid hull]

well, that's "es"

[swift bough]

Ye, typo

[summer crystal]

What does "Bonzenblut" means? I hardly found anything while looking it up.

[fervent kernel]

@summer crystal Do you have some context? I‘m not sure but my guess would be someone who‘s from a richer family.

[summer crystal]

@fervent kernel Sure! It's from an old song. The full line is "Wir kämpfen nicht für Bonzenblut und nicht für Gold und Geld"

[long whale]

Bonze roughly means "parasite" (within a society), and Blut here means "relatives, families". For unusual compound nouns, looking up the words separately usually helps. ;)

[summer crystal]

How cool, I thought "Blut" meant only blood! But it makes quite a lot of sense. I still can't figure its meaning, though. Parasitical families? Something else?

[swift bough]

That’s how I would understand it based on that explanation as well, but I‘m also not really sure haha

[long whale]

Well... "Bonze" actually means somebody high up in a country's administration, but by extension is also used for nobles or powerful politicians, or just any kind of "head honcho", specifically one with a huge sense of entitlement and little desire to do his job well (or at all). If there's any one word translation for that, do tell me, please. ;)

[summer crystal]

That actually fits a lot with the context! I think that's it... at least for the first half of the word. 😆

@long whale Hm! Look at this entry for Blut on the German Wiktionary: "[2] veraltete Bedeutung: menschliches Lebewesen (heute fast nur noch in der Redewendung junges Blut)"

Maybe by this, the compound word, they meant the people at the top of the government.

Meaning they are not fighting for any politician or government.

[coarse sparrow]

I cannot understand a structure of this sentence

"Die neue Toleranz gegenüber den einst streng ausgesperrten tonalen Hörkategorien schien ein nützliches Korrektiv einer offenkundig frustierten und seriellen Utopien mehr und mehr entsagenden Komponierpraxis."

[icy flax]

Die neue Toleranz <- Nucleus of the subject (the new tolerance)
gegenüber den einst streng ausgesperrten tonalen Hörkategorien <- complement of the subject (toward the once strongly limited tonal sound categories)
schien <- a copular verb, takes nominativ both sides (seemed)
ein nützliches Korrektiv <- Nucleus of the direct object (a useful correction)
einer offenkundig frustierten und seriellen Utopien mehr und mehr entsagenden Komponierpraxis. <- predicate complement (of a evidently frustrated practice of composition, which more and more renounces serial utopies)

[coarse sparrow]

hmm but isn't scheien intransitive verb?

[long whale]

It's a copula verb -> it takes Nominativ on both sides.

[icy flax]

Not in my language. Scheinen is "to seem". If something seems, has to seem something.

[long whale]

And you could add "zu sein" (seemed to be...) at the end, if that makes it easier to understand.

[coarse sparrow]

ahhh so in this sentence "ein nützliches Korrektiv" isn't accusative but nominative

[icy flax]

Btw, Susana, do you still formally call the second nominative a direct object, although not being akk?

[long whale]

I wouldn't. Makes it confusing if it's in Nominativ, doesn't it?

[coarse sparrow]

but "mehr und mehr entsagenden Komponierpraxis" how can it be genitive without der or einer?

[icy flax]

Yes, and also not yes. There has then to be an appropriate term because calling it second subject would be weird too.

[long whale]

But you've got "einer". 🤷

[long whale]

I guess you'd best check how they explain copula verbs in a grammar book (Hammer's?), don't you think?

[coarse sparrow]

huh? where? isn't it for Utopien?

[icy flax]

Because of this:
https://deutsch.lingolia.com/de/grammatik/adjektive/deklination

Check the column for genitiv wout article

[icy flax]

Yes, she oversaw it.

[icy flax]

Copula? Thx! Took note here.

[long whale]

Die neue Toleranz gegenüber den einst streng ausgesperrten tonalen Hörkategorien schien ein nützliches Korrektiv einer offenkundig frustrierten und seriellen Utopien mehr und mehr entsagenden Komponierpraxis. Everything between the words in bold is just an adjective. ;)

@coarse sparrow

[coarse sparrow]

ahhhhhhh so einer "offenkundig frustrieten und seriellen Utopien mehr und mehr entsagenden" Komponierpraxis"?

[icy flax]

Wow, sorry, @coarse sparrow, I read Utopien as singular (Utopie), my bad.

[long whale]

Admittedly a very, very complicated adjective - yeah, exactly. :)

[coarse sparrow]

now I can understand it thank you both

[icy flax]

Sometimes I ask you because you transpire credibility and knowledge. It is called "predicate complement" in Hammer, if you also wanted to know. :)

[long whale]

Yeah, I did want to know. I was just too lazy, so, I made you do the work (for once). ;)

Oh, and this made me remember the German word: Prädikatergänzung. Which, uh, isn't really much use when you're trying to explain, I bet.

[icy flax]

Repeat it a hundred times, we are quit. Btw, I am asking myself the last days about that "bridge" you built between how spanish and german approach the subjunctive. Yesterday I read what a native wrote and am still mad bc it seems so wrong:

"Ich habe erwartet, dass Stundenten abhängig sind".

My heart screams for a "wären".. So, yeah, I might write you later again. Hehe.

[long whale]

I can't remember having done that. 🤔 Last time I compared Spanish and German, it was about reflexive verbs.

That's because your heart speaks a Romance language. ;) Actually, if anything, it would be the other way around: if you expected students to be dependent, but they weren't, you'd say "Ich hätte erwartet, daß Studenten abhänging sind". :)

[icy flax]

Der 7. März, 2 Uhr morgens. Es ist schon lange her.

[outer nest]

"Ich hätte erwartet, daß Studenten abhänging sind"

[icy flax]

Susana ist klassisch. (:
we would say "eu teria esperado que eles fossem (statt von são, weil es hier im Grunde um eine Vermutung geht) independentes", "hätte erwartet, dass sie unanhängig wären".

[icy flax]

If you "erwartet haben", that means a Hypothesis. That's what I cant get over.

[long whale]

It's your Portuguese/Romance mind telling you this: Ich erwarte, dass du das tust. Ich erwarte, dass du das tätest doesn't even make any sense. 🤷

[spring socket]

die Gedanken eines Romantikers 🍷

[cosmic tendon]

Lesen Sie erst alle Aufgaben durch.
Lesen Sie sich erst alle Aufgaben durch.
which one is correct ?

[merry python]

I'd say that both of them are correct. In the second sentence "sich" is just an additional reflexive pronoun in the dative case, which I’d say is not necessary, because you already have an object. But you can use both of them, I’ve heard both in spoken German before! (Especially by teachers )

[cosmic tendon]

Ok,Thank you

[fervent kernel]

Hello
Was treibst du an?
Was bedeutet das?
Ich habe diesen Satz nie gehört
Bitte erklärt mir, was das bedeutet?

[long whale]

Unless you're talking to a machine/motor, asking it what it moves, it doesn't make much sense to me. 🤔

[fervent kernel]

I heard this sentence in easy german Podcast

[long whale]

Are you sure about the "an"?

[wise pendant]

You might mean: "Was treibt dich an?"
Which is: "What motivates you?"

[fervent kernel]

No
The question can be also as was treibst du so?

[fervent kernel]

Is an necessary there?

[wise pendant]

I mean Was treibst du so? also works meaning simply What's up?

[fervent kernel]

Oh verstanden

antreiben is a reflexiv verb

Right?

[wise pendant]

No idea about grammar

[fervent kernel]

OK
Thanks 👍🤗

[hollow ether]

Nope

[fervent kernel]

Deutsch ist eine schwere Sprache oder DeutschE ist eine schwere Sparche?

[delicate tiger]

bitte frag nur in einem Kanal gleichzeitig

[fervent kernel]

kein Problem

[deep iron]

Halo

Wie gehts ihnen?

[fervent veldt]

kriegen = bekommen?

[delicate tiger]

for most uses yes, but "kriegen" is more casual

[lucid sluice]

When do I use stoppen and when aufhören?

[autumn marsh]

very generally said: stoppen = when you stop the motion of something, aufhören = abstractly used when quitting something

you can't quit a car, but you can stop a car (by using the breaks)

there will be cases where it overlaps tho

[lucid sluice]

Ahh okay. In dutch we just use stoppen for both

[autumn marsh]

aufhören also has several other abstract uses, along the lines of "to end" or "to take an end"

whenever you put something out of motion or it stops working because you interact with it, it's often "stoppen"

[lucid sluice]

Okay thank you

[autumn marsh]

but yea, again: it'll overlap

eventually

don't worry too much about it, you'll most likely be understood 😄

[lucid sluice]

I strive to have perfect grammar one day

[autumn marsh]

well, natives do not have perfect grammar either most of the time, so you've quite a road ahead of you :>

[fervent kernel]

Kinda same, but I just wanna be more schlagfertig, as in always finding a perfect word or always have an answer , possibly something witzig

Is there a Sprichwort to say when there are only few people present when there were supposed to be a lot?

[autumn marsh]

you could ironically say: "Hier steppt ja der Bär" or "Mit so vielen Leuten hätte ich gar nicht gerechnet!"

[fervent kernel]

In Italien there is a Kinderlied that is called 44 cats, and sings about these 44 cats meeting up. So when many people are missing you say "we are only 4 cats"

[autumn marsh]

ironically/sarcastically

[fervent kernel]

The second gelingt mir am meisten thanks

I like the way you correct my texts @autumn marsh I feel like we are kinda on the same Wellenlänge in terms of Rhetorik

You seem very eloquent

[autumn marsh]

haha, thanks

[fervent kernel]

Did you study the language or have you always been sprachaffin?

[autumn marsh]

hm rather the latter, i'd say

german is a great language if you know how to use it, and i like talking about its quirks. and there are many interesting quirks to be found around those who learn the language 😄

[dusty pendant]

is there some sort of way to say "man" in plural?

[solid hull]

No and there’s also no need id say

[dusty pendant]

would you just be direct and say ihr?
if you were trying to say something like that

[swift bough]

@dusty pendant nah because man and ihr mean two completely different things. Man addresses nobody in particular. It only gets used for statements about how something generally is. If you say ihr, it can only directly address multiple specific people.

Man means „one“. English doesn’t even have a plural form for this anyway either.

[dusty pendant]

yep, i get that

trying to find examples in english as to why I'd even want to use something like that falls flat quickly, lol

thanks :)

[icy flax]

Viele/Manche/Einige/Wenige fragen es.
Many/Some/Some/Few ask that.

That is a way to say man but in plural.

[dusty pendant]

i see, ty

[fervent kernel]

Deutsch ist eine schwere Sprache oder DeutschE ist eine schwere Sparche?

[swift bough]

Deutsch

[fervent kernel]

aber warum?

[swift bough]

What exactly makes you think that it would be „Deutsche“ in that sentence?

[fervent kernel]

Deutsch=die Sprache-femininum

[swift bough]

You can’t decline a noun you can decline adjectives

[fervent kernel]

ah ja, Deutsch is a noun not an adjective

[swift bough]

I mean technically sometimes Deutsch gets declined because it’s a nominalised adjective but

But in this instance it doesn’t

If you say „Deutsch“ all by itself with no prepositions prior to it then it won’t change

And also with no article prior to it

It’s a bit of a complicated subject in general (nominalised adjectives) I don’t think it’s at the A Level tbh

[fervent kernel]

does it have relations with English?

[plain umbra]

Nouns do get declined, it's just only in specific grammar situations.

[fervent kernel]

I am scared

[swift bough]

Yeah I know there’s n-declensions but I wasn’t trying to get into that

[swift bough]

For this reason

No need to overwhelm

[plain umbra]

Aside from N-declension, there's also plural form and genitive case.

[swift bough]

Does that really count as declension on genitive? 🤔

[plain umbra]

Yes.

[fervent kernel]

do you mean like in der Akkusativ for some words like Kollege, Herr etc. you add -en ending?

[swift bough]

Also since when is plural a declension…isn’t plural just plural and that’s that?

[plain umbra]

That one is N-declension. But like, for example, if you want to say dog you say "der Hund", but if you want to make it plural, like dogs, then it's declined to "die Hunde".

[plain umbra]

Plural forms of nouns are declension, yeah.

[fervent kernel]

cool

[plain umbra]

Don't worry about it though. German has pretty easy declension rules and you don't have to learn them all at once.

It's just good to know that sometimes nouns need some different endings too.

[fervent kernel]

are there any other declensions except for N-declension?

[plain umbra]

But what Cursed Alien meant is that the word for the German language "Deutsch" doesn't need endings.

[swift bough]

Well I don’t really know much about English grammar so I can’t really directly compare it with German without being unsure

[plain umbra]

I don't get what you mean.

[swift bough]

Like plural and genitive as you said?

[fervent kernel]

does German have any other declensions?

except for N-declension?

[plain umbra]

What are you referring to as "declensions" here?

[fervent kernel]

N-declension

[swift bough]

Adjectives get declined as well but I think you knew that @fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

yes I do

[plain umbra]

N-declension is one declension pattern. It's not "a declension" itself. Declension is just a word that means you change a word based on things like case (nominative, accusative, etc.), number (singular or plural), gender, and so on.

So like I said, making the plural form of a noun is also declension. In English, if I change "dog" to "dogs", that's declension.

In German, the articles (die, der, das) and adjectives change a lot based on declension.

Nouns don't change very often but there are a few times when they do (the main one being when you make a plural).

[fervent kernel]

I feel like adjectives change all the time(talking of my A1 experience)

[plain umbra]

Yes, when they're attached onto a noun, they do.

But they don't when they're by themselves, like "Das Haus ist blau."

Here "blau" is an adjective, but it's not declined.

[fervent kernel]

will it be ein blaues Haus?

[plain umbra]

Ja.

[fervent kernel]

or das blaue Haus

[plain umbra]

Ja.

[fervent kernel]

I am glad i do not make mistakes with this

[plain umbra]

It seems you're doing pretty well so far!

[fervent kernel]

Hab vielen Dank!

[plain umbra]

That part is the hardest, so if you can do that part, the rest will be easy enough.

[fervent kernel]

und du, danke!

[plain umbra]

Bitte.

[fervent kernel]

word order is hard for me as well, even harder

[swift bough]

Word order has lots of rules, it takes time to master.

[fervent kernel]

yes, I feel like it is my biggest problem so far

[plain umbra]

What part do you struggle with with word order?

[fervent kernel]

where to put nicht, oder, doch, noch

and a lot of things

[plain umbra]

Oh okay, that kind of thing is definitely well beyond A1 (in terms of being able to do it consistently correctly), so I wouldn't worry about that.

[fervent kernel]

I try to watch videos in German every day to understand how the language works

I hope it will pay off one day

[plain umbra]

Like that's stuff you would worry about towards B2 so don't worry if you can't do it right for now.

[fervent kernel]

thanks for calming me down

[plain umbra]

Np, it's true though. I feel like maybe you have an inaccurate view of how much you need to know for each level.

[fervent kernel]

I think so, I always take too much on myself

[fallow jewel]

how to pronounce labyrinth?
to me it sounds like labürint

[wise pendant]

That's right

[fallow jewel]

got it 👍

[fervent kernel]

Ohne Fleiß KEIN Preis, why not KEINEN Preis if it is used with ohne and supposed to be keinen??

[noble yacht]

This is an phrase

-> grammatical rules aren't that important

[fervent kernel]

so it is grammatically incorrect?

[wise pendant]

Usually the en after n or m gets omitted when speaking.
keinen and kein get pronounced the same. Thus it's often misspelled.
And as sebx said in set phrases rules get bend anyways.

[fervent kernel]

so the phrase is incorrect?

[wise pendant]

No, but yes, but no.
I mean actually one shouldn't think about language in terms of correct and not but in terms of being in use and not and that phrase gets used a lot and usually probably written how you did it.

[fervent kernel]

so if I take a German exam, should I write kein Preis then?

sorry for being too nagging, I want to get the best understanding of the language and its native speakers

[wise pendant]

Yes as when you Google that phrase it's how the duden uses it.
And the duden is a bit like the holy scripture of german in that if your teacher disagrees he will change his mind if Duden says so.

[icy flax]

@fervent kernel, just adding a thing, usually there are rules, structure and cases, but then there are some idioms or fixed expression that do not follow it, or, let's say, followed other structure of older times. Nowadays you just learn them and accept how they are used, like he said, bc that is what it comes to in the end anyways.

[fervent kernel]

ah ja, danke für eine neue Informationsquelle- Duden

[fervent kernel]

okay, it is an idiom, that's what I should keep in mind, hab vielen Dank

[sonic isle]

"Was hast du im Supermarkt gekauft'?
The sentence is using 'Imperfekt'. Why not using 'Perfekt'?

[icy flax]

No, it is the Perfekt.
haben+partizip2

Imperfekt is an old word for Präteritum, which is still used in text: Was kauftest du im Supermarkt?

[sonic isle]

Danke!

Can I ask you another question about German?

"Wann bist du gekommen'. Is this 'Imperfekt'?

[fervent kernel]

isn't that Perfekt?

you have "sein" and the third form of the verb

[sonic isle]

Understand. Thank you very much!

[icy flax]

Anna, why are you saying "Imperfekt"? Whats your first language?

[sonic isle]

Sorry, that is from my German textbook...

The textbook isn't in German. That's why...

[icy flax]

Still, what is the language your learning from?

[sonic isle]

Seems the textbook writer is elder... haha

[sonic isle]

Sorry, it was not a textbook.. but it was from the app 'German Konjuktiv'. English is used in the app.

[long whale]

Imperfekt = Präteritum (~ past simple)

@sonic isle

[sonic isle]

Oh, thanks for telling me that. @long whale

Do you translate 'Perfekt' to 'perfect tense'?

[wise pendant]

More or less, as English and german tenses differ somewhat

[sonic isle]

Ok.. :)

[plain umbra]

Perfekt usually refers to the equivalent (in terms of construction) of present perfect.

There's present perfect and past perfect. Sometimes people confuse those when translating the tense names.

[sonic isle]

That makes sense! Thanks!

[icy flax]

I see. (:
I only rarely heard people saying Imperfkt. Recently someone asked about it here and then I found a bit on wikipedia. Usually people call it Präteritum.

[plain umbra]

Yeah, Imperfekt is inaccurate so people usually prefer not to use it.

Technically Imperfekt is a totally different grammatical topic so it's good not to confuse them.

[shut briar]

Gibt es eine Entsprechung für to be up for something

In dem Sinne

I'm up for a scholarship

Ich habe eine Chance dafür

[prisma anchor]

Past, this sentence would say he is not being questioned anymore

o.O

Can you put your question differently? I‘m not sure i understand

No, he may have been questioned many times before. The sentence only says that he was questioned recently

Yeah

Those are both true

[frigid marsh]

can someone help me with an easy assignment? its german and idk how to write a text? i only know short conversation

[fervent kernel]

What does dem müll um die Ohren mean?

[prisma anchor]

Any context?

„Ich habe gerade so viel Müll um die Ohren“ means something like „there are lots of annoying things i need to deal with“ -> rubbish around you(r head)

[outer nest]

Der Müll gehört allerdings nicht in die gängige Redewendung:

Viel um die Ohren haben

[prisma anchor]

Yeah, it‘s used aswell though

I heard both but yours is more typical

[long whale]

I think there's a misunderstanding here. The sentence says the head of police was (war) at the village hall/council and was (wurde) questioned there. You could rephrase that as "the head of police was questioned at the village hall/by the village council" (der Polizeichef wurde vom/beim Dorfrat befragt) :)

Same as in "I went for a walk and/und my dog was with me" = I went for a walk with my dog. 🤷

Exactly. :)

[nimble willow]

Hi, I'd like to ask what the word order should be when using Konjunctionaladverbien and the past tense.
Eg. Should it be
Meine Schwester dagegen hat ein rotes Kleid getragen
Or
Meine Schwester hat dagegen ein rotes Kleid getragen

[long whale]

Both/Either is fine. :)

[fervent kernel]

''Ich brauche mehr Stunden'' korrekt oder nicht korrekt?

[nimble willow]

Interesting. Thank you for the answer!

[long whale]

Fine, particularly if you're talking about lessons or working hours. Depending on context, "Zeit" might be more appropriate than "Stunden", though. 🤷

[fervent kernel]

I meant "I need more hours"

[autumn marsh]

well, the verb itself is translated to "practice" but "Vergeltung üben" = take revenge

better now? 😄

i've capitalized "Vergeltung"

not sure what you're asking, all i can say is that "Vergeltung üben" literally means "take revenge"

it does not have anything to do with "to practice" here

[swift bough]

But to practice retaliation is extremely similar to taking revenge, because you can’t „retaliate“ unless someone does something to you first.

That’s the whole point of retaliation

[autumn marsh]

the "zu" in "zu üben" just gets used because it's a relative clause

"Ich übe (an dir) Vergeltung, um das Vergeltung üben zu üben" 😄

i take revenge at you in order to practice taking revenge :>

[swift bough]

With the second half of that sentence is the first Üben not supposed to be capitalized? Or what’s going on there @autumn marsh

[autumn marsh]

why would it be capitalized

what is your train of thought there

[swift bough]

What is your train of thought here? I didn’t really understand the sentence.

I was thinking you meant like

das Vergeltung-Üben

Like you know nominalised verbs

@autumn marsh

das Fahren, das Laufen, etc

[autumn marsh]

aha hm

[swift bough]

Because it isn’t „das Vergeltung“ it’s die Vergeltung

[autumn marsh]

honestly, idk. i'd just put it in Quotes if i would write a formal text, or avoid that problem by writing it like this:

Ich übe Vergeltung, um zu üben Vergeltung zu üben

[swift bough]

And you wrote um das Vergeltung üben zu üben

[autumn marsh]

or: "ich übe Vergeltung, um "Vergeltung üben" zu üben"

like this

[swift bough]

So is it not a nominalised verb then?

Those are supposed to be capitalized

That’s why I was confused

[autumn marsh]

🤷 idk

[swift bough]

I think it is

[solid hull]

yeah it is

[swift bough]

What else would the „das“ refer to

Not to Vergeltung

So

[solid hull]

maybe even Vergeltungüben, but im not too familiar with orthographic rules

[autumn marsh]

if something like that comes up and i'm unsure, i just rephrase it, that's easier 😂

[solid hull]

but ive seen it like ahcos wrote it too iirc

[swift bough]

I would’ve written it with a hyphen because I don’t think that’s like an actual official word written together @solid hull

[solid hull]

i guess, you could write it however, or just rephrase it altogether

rimed

😎

[swift bough]

I‘m just trying to make sure I’m not going crazy here or forgetting German

[autumn marsh]

german orthographic rules for such niche-problems are stupid and overly complicated

if i have to be correct, i rephrase it

[solid hull]

s timm t

[autumn marsh]

otherwise i largely ignore it.

it's not worth anybody's time 🤷

[fervent kernel]

That's fine but I'd rephrase it, makes more sense and sounds better.

[solid hull]

only time you'd really stress about it would be when writing a paper or the like

[swift bough]

Yeah I didn’t even write it either, but I was just asking to see if that’s what ahcos meant by that

[solid hull]

I oove (on thee) foryielding, umb the foryielding oove to oove

[swift bough]

You know I never get tired of when you do that

[solid hull]

tbh im not entirely sure if oove would be the correct cognate

Lol

[swift bough]

Es tut sein wie das

[solid hull]

[nimble willow]

Is there a good list of what da/wo compounds mean?
Loads of sources are giving slightly/ very different meanings

[solid hull]

https://courses.dcs.wisc.edu/wp/readinggerman/category/12-da-compounds/

[nimble willow]

Thanks, though that was the one which I was using but found other translations to be very different

[nimble willow]

Other translations from equally trusted sources

[solid hull]

what other sources did you find to be inaccurate ?

[nimble willow]

I'm not sure which one is inaccurate but Ie. Translations from Linguee

[solid hull]

idk that site is pretty accurate imo, there's nothing there id really have to disagree with

[nimble willow]

Okay thanks. I think some of the compounds have multiple meanings

[swift bough]

@nimble willow the thing about those words is they don’t necessarily all only have one possible translation. It’s dependent on the situation, because since they have prepositions in them, they can mean many different things, since most prepositions have many different possible translations by themselves as well, again depending on context.

Thus if you add da- or wo- to „auf“, it highly depends.

[nimble willow]

Thank you very much for the explanation

Yes, I think it'll all depend on context

[swift bough]

It’s more of 1. understanding the grammar 2. just simply knowing what a preposition translates as in a given situation.

So that then the versions with da and wo make sense.

[nimble willow]

Thank you!

[swift bough]

You’re wc

[dusty pendant]

Quick question:
Can wenn and wann be used interchangeably?
like, "Tell me when you get there"?
I know wenn is used for "if"
but then what does falls exactly do?

[fervent kernel]

"Wenn" means it's going to happen, like "Wenn du nach Hause kommst, ruf mich an"(When you come home, call me). "Falls" just means "If". "Wann" is a question word for time. For example: Wann sind wir da? Wann kommst du nach Hause?
Wann and Wenn cannot be used interchangeably.

[dusty pendant]

ohhh; so
even though you can say "Tell me when you get home" in english, you can't do that with wann?
I think I understand the difference

wann is when you're asking about when something's gonna happen, it's not conditional

thank you :)

[fervent kernel]

"Ruf mich an wenn du zu Hause bist"= Call me at the time you come home.
"Sag mir wann du zu Hause bist" = Tell me the time by which you come home

[dusty pendant]

yes yes
as i said, wann is not conditional
tyvm! I've had that on my mind for some time now

[fervent kernel]

Does Laufen need always bin as auxiliary verb?

Even to state an accomplishment?

[scenic drift]

could you give an example of the definition you mean...?

[fervent kernel]

Ich habe die 10 Kilometer Marathon gelaufen

[scenic drift]

laufen always needs sein

[scenic drift]

so you ran the marathon

that's still running -> use sein as your auxiliary

[fervent kernel]

Or running for 1 hour on the Laufband

[scenic drift]

still running, still sein 🤷‍♂️

[fervent kernel]

👍

Thanks

Another quick question on denn, it is used as causal adverb right? For example "du bist so, denn du bist auch so"

My sentence is this " ich habe Muskelkater am Arsch. Du machst Yoga,denn du leidest meine Schmerzen mit"

Is denn in this sentence meaning dass since he does Yoga, he can understand and feel sorry for my pain?

[icy flax]

denn is a conjunction
dann is a causal adverb

(denn can also be a particle in questions)

I have ass-cramp. You do yoga, because you "totally" feel my pain.

[fervent kernel]

so the a "da" satz is the correct option right?

[icy flax]

Oh, do you want to say "I want X Y, since A and B already happened"? You could go:

Ich möchte X und Y, da/zumal/weil A und B passiert sind.

[fervent kernel]

I want to

A:state that I am in pain

B: explain that, since he does exercise too

C:I believe he can understand my pain

Ich sitze ja ungern. Ich habe Muskelkater am Hintern. Da du Yoga machst, kannst du wohl meine Belastung mitleiden

Does Belastung fit? Or maybe Bürde? To add a touch of humour

[autumn marsh]

"ich sitze ja ungern" > works, if you want to state: "as you know i don't like to sit"

that is what the "ja" does there

"ich habe Muskelkater im Hintern."

[fervent kernel]

Ah, I thought bit was just a particle U could add

[autumn marsh]

you can add it

but it has a meaning

if you use the Modalpartikel, you have to be aware of the meaning cause it can change the meaning of the sentence pretty drastically

[fervent kernel]

Yeah you are totally right, thanks for the heads up

The rest of the sentence is greenlight?

[autumn marsh]

the "wohl" fits well there i think

but i'd not use "Belastung", but rather "Schmerzen", and "nachempfinden" instead of "mitleiden"

or "verstehen"

but "nachempfinden" fits better

[fervent kernel]

new word learned

[autumn marsh]

the "wohl" just works as "wahrscheinlich, vermutlich, 'es ist anzunehmen, dass...' "

in that case

[fervent kernel]

But changing Belastung really saddens me, I wanted to have a touch of humour

[fervent kernel]

I thought it was as Verstärkung in an affirmation

[autumn marsh]

that'd be "ja" in that case

[fervent kernel]

Total verwirrt

[autumn marsh]

"... kannst du meine Schmerzen ja nachempfinden"

you can use "mein Leid" instead, that gives a humoristic touch to it

[fervent kernel]

wait I think it makes sense now why ja works as Verstärkung in your Satz

The pieces of the puzzle come slowly together

[autumn marsh]

"wohl" as modalpartikel never works as "Verstärkung", it's more or less always "wahrscheinlich/vermutlich"

[fervent kernel]

"geh mir aus der Sonne, du hast wohl besser zu tun" does wohl work in this context?

[autumn marsh]

"Das ist wohl das dümmste, was ich je gehört habe" > it's most likely the stupidest thing i've ever heard
"Das kannst du wohl nachempfinden" > i guess you can feel that too, it's likely that you can feel it
"Das kannst du ja nachempfinden" > it's obvious that you can feel it

[autumn marsh]

"doch" would fit better

or, even better: doch wohl :>

[fervent kernel]

what is doch wohl

[autumn marsh]

"Geh mir aus der Sonne, du hast doch wohl was besseres zu tun"

well it depends on what you want to say, like always

[fervent kernel]

Can you add a ja to it? Doch wohl ja was besseres zu tun

[autumn marsh]

Du hast doch wohl was besseres zu tun > i'm sure you have something better to do

[autumn marsh]

well you can say: "Du hast ja wohl was besseres zu tun"

[fervent kernel]

Let me translate this as Abschlussprüfung

[autumn marsh]

if you say "du hast ja doch was besseres zu tun" it changes the meaning a lot

"du hast ja doch wohl ..." kinda works i guess but not really, wouldn't use it

[fervent kernel]

Surely you must have better things to do

Korrekt?

ich bekomme mein Zertifikat bitte

[autumn marsh]

woher krieg ich denn jetzt ein zertifikat

[fervent kernel]

Thanks for the Nacht-nachhilfe @autumn marsh

[autumn marsh]

gerne

[fervent kernel]

Idk, like everything else in Germany you would have to compile 5 Antrags and telephone 3 different Behörde just to get a Termin

[autumn marsh]

ein Antrag, zwei Anträge

[fervent kernel]

[autumn marsh]

german was made to torture

[fervent kernel]

👍 Thanks again, going to sleep and let this new knowledge ferment in my Kopf

[autumn marsh]

there are not too many native german words that go with -s ending

we often do it as a joke, to let something end with -s in plural

sounds really silly

[fervent kernel]

does anyone have a list of verbs that are used in der Akkusativ?

[little tree]

I’ve noticed recently that sometimes there’s a “zu” before a verb at the end of a sentence. Doesn’t the infinitive form mean “to ____”? If so, what’s the purpose of the zu and when would it be used?

[plain umbra]

The infinitive with zu is called "zu infinitive". It works a little bit differently from English but we can still use an example to understand it better:

I can learn German. I try to learn German.

Here you can see that, depending on what verb we put before it, learn can be either bare infinitive or to-infinitive.

With German, it works slightly differently, but it's the same basic idea.

Ich kann Deutsch lernen. (I can learn German.)
Ich versuche, Deutsch zu lernen. (I try to learn German.)

There are two main differences:

• in German, the zu-infinitive makes its own clause that gets pushed to the end (unlike English where it just gets "to" added)
• in English, we sometimes write the dictionary form as to-infinitive, but German just writes bare infinitive

Rules for when to use it:

• if the previous verb is a modal verb, then the next verb will be bare infinitive
• if it's not a modal verb, it will be zu-infinitive

e.g. können (kann) is a modal verb, but versuchen isn't.

[plain umbra]

Sorry but the list would be too long. Usually you memorize all the ones that don't take accusative, and just assume all the others are accusative.

Here's one for dative verbs: http://germanforenglishspeakers.com/reference/dative-verbs/

The nominative ones are these: sein, werden, bleiben, heißen, scheinen (you mostly just need the first two: sein and werden)

There are genitive ones too, but they're not that common so you can ignore it for now.

[fervent kernel]

danke

[fervent kernel]

also, I have just noticed that Leo shows if the verb should be used with Akkustaiv

I think it is very helpful

[cosmic tendon]

Hallo !
"Besuchen Sie das Heididorf Maienfeld mit dem Original Heidihaus und dem johanna-Spyri-Museum und die Heidialp mit ihrem gemütlichen Bergrestaurant und dem herrlichem Panorama."

• why her "dem herrlichem" and not "dem herrlichen" it "dativ + bestimmter artikel + adjektiv" ?

[long whale]

It's a typo/error. herrlichen would be correct. :)

[cosmic tendon]

ok Thank you !

[long whale]

I believed you the first time round. :D

They probably edited after first having written "mit herrlichem Panorama" and forgot to change the ending. 🤷

[cosmic tendon]

yeah i know i put the whole text if there is anything i did miss

[long whale]

No, the rest's all fine.

[cosmic tendon]

BTW its "daf kompakt neu B1 /seite 24" whith errors lik this just pary for us thank you again !

[long whale]

Yeah, it's what we/you/they get for firing pretty much all of the editors over the course of the last few decades: typos proliferating like mice. 🤢 To my knowledge, Klett still employs them, so, they might be the better bet when it comes to learning material (if you have a choice).

[cosmic tendon]

I totally agree but there is another error in the title "daf kompakt neu B1" it should be "daf kompakt neu B1.7" or "daf kompakt neu B1.8" in complexity here there is no comparison between A2 and B1.

[hollow ether]

Not sure if you've learnt this already but German has 4 grammatical cases. Nominative, accusative, dative and genitive.

The Genitive case deals with possession. Basically the meaning of "from" is hidden in the endings of the adjectives

So in Morddrohungen weißer Landsleute

The "er" ending of weiß expresses the possession.

So death threats from/of the white compatriots

[long whale]

No. Apartheid meant only white people got full citizens' rights. Rather like in the US before the Citizens' Rights Movement.

[fervent kernel]

Is it okay to write an email thanking for the conversation in Germany? I really want to avoid kulturelle Missverständnisse

[delicate tiger]

It's worded strangely, "De Klerk is survived by his wife, his children and grandchildren, the foundation informed"

[delicate tiger]

I've never done that (and never gotten one)

[fervent kernel]

Does it come as weird tho? Should I excuse myself for sending it and explain that part of social ethics where I'm from?

[long whale]

You definitely don't have to apologize for thanking someone, even if it isn't customary here. I'm not quite sure I understand, though - when I call someone and we agree on something, and it's a nice conversation, and I feel the need to send a confirmation email, I often start this email by thanking the other person for the nice conversation we just had, so... 🤷

[fervent kernel]

i was talking to someone from jugenamt that is helping me fix my bewerbung, she told me what to do and who to contact next, of course i thanked myself in presence and said goodbye, then after arriving home i wrote again an email saying thanks for the helpful talk and i will contact that person asap

was that unnecessary? or weird?

[long whale]

Somewhat unnecessary, yes. But in a nice way, so, not weird at all, no apology necessary. :)

[dusty pendant]

when using a separable verb in a dependant clause, what exactly is the order?
usually, the prefix goes at the end, but in dependant clauses, the verb goes at the end?
how would you handle that?

[wooden nacelle]

Im German and i dont understand your question😅

[fervent kernel]

You don't separate the verb and put it at the end of the dependant clause
For example:
Ich kaufe gerade ein (without dependant clause)
Ich bin nicht zuhause, weil ich gerade einkaufe (with dependant clause)

Hopefully that's what you meant😅

[dusty pendant]

that's what i thought, thank you again! :)

[inland jungle]

hallo! ich habe eine kleine Frage. Sagt man im Alltag meistens "ich habe das nicht gewusst" oder "ich wusste das nicht" ?

[icy flax]

Das zweite. Wissen ist ein Verb von denen, das oft lieber im Präteritum als im Perfekt verwendet wird.

[inland jungle]

vielen dank! ab heute werde ich nur sagen "ich wusste das nicht" 😄

[delicate tiger]

("Dat han ich net jewusst", regional unterschiedlich)

[icy flax]

Fand halt extrem überflüßig an Dialekten zu gehen, aber ja, das stimmt. Auch bei einigen wird viel mehr Prätetirum zum Gebrauch gemacht. Saarland, glaub ich.

[icy flax]

Das mit dem je- statt ge- ist typischer Platt, oder? Bin quasi sicher, obwohl ich es auch im Lied von AMK, die aus Köln kommen, gehört hab.

Wird wirklich das "be" beim "habe" als "n" ausgesprochen? :O

[delicate tiger]

Wird wirklich das "be" beim "habe" als "n" ausgesprochen?
ja

[fervent kernel]

It's pronounced like the name "Ben"

[icy flax]

wieso?! Dann keines "ich han" sondern "ich habän"?

[icy flax]

Ist das Plattdeutsch, wenn man ge- für je- vertäuscht?

[delicate tiger]

Rheinland/Berlin hauptsächlich

[icy flax]

lol, wie
Dann sind diese dialektischen Eigenschaften nicht in einem Kontiniuum? Beide liegen so entfernt von einander

[fervent kernel]

Yes pretty much

However it's Ich habe (deklination)

[icy flax]

Sorry, I don't get it, let's change to English for once. Are you saying that in Plattdeutsch "ich habe" is pronounced "ich habä"? Do you live in the north?

[fervent kernel]

Sorry my bad i didn't know you were talking about dialects

Oops

[icy flax]

I assumed 😅

[wise pendant]

Just to clarify: in plattdeutsch the ch becomes a k. In eastphalian low german that would be "Eck hevve"
As they are plenty of plattdeutsch dialects it can change a lot but ch is almost always k which is one main characteristic of plattdeutsch (meaning the language low german and not west middle german dialects calling themselves Platt)

[icy flax]

Some notes on English that "hevve", nice.
Rheinland wouldnt be true Platt but "mid-german", right? In Aachen, they told me they spoke Platt oO

Ich weiß wie deine aufmerksame Antwort zu schätzen, André (:

[wise pendant]

Yep in Aachen they call their own dialect Platt but it's actually not what people usually associate with Plattdeutsch as it's a mid german dialect of high german and not low german. But of course the dialect continnuum make the distinction more than fuzzy

Usually is the rule of thumb: if it's make and not mache it's low german.

The Benrather Linie is the isoglosse that separates the languages which goes right through NRW where Aachen is being just a bit south of it.

Aachen on the other hand is also special in a way since it's that far of to the west of Germany

[fervent kernel]

i have a problem, my current niveau is B2, i'd like to speak better so i'm doing 1 hour of self study everyday. currently i have little time, leaving the house at 7 am and coming back at 17:00. i also like to train at the gym for 2 hours, and then 30 min-1 hour playing guitar.

do you guys think it would be too difficult time-wise to attend an Abendkurs for C1? i just think it would be more time efficent than me doing self study, and after 4-6 months i can do a test to have C1 and not B2

[scenic drift]

i did a weekend course rather than an evening course because i was on tight on time as well, maybe that's an option for you.

as to whether an evening course is doable is up to you... remember there will be homework time as well, not just class time to account for

you could see if you can e.g. fit in some study time at the gym 😉 i talk to myself a lot to improve my speaking, maybe you can do the same.

[merry hearth]

Es gibt drei Menschen auf Laufbändern und einer von ihnen hört Musik

does this make sense?

[fervent kernel]

von denen

i think

[merry hearth]

danke

[gaunt night]

ihnen is also correct

It’s more polite

[sudden cloud]

"Sie sind froh, weil sie bald fertig mit der Schule sind" or "..., weil sie mit der Schule bald fertig sind"? Does it depend on, where you want to place the focus? In the first one, "bald fertig" is more important, and "mit der Schule" in the second?

[gaunt night]

Yes, both is okay. It depends on what information you want to highlight

[fervent kernel]

yo

does this sound correct?

need a second opinion

bit unsure

[gaunt night]

auf *den braunen

[fervent kernel]

ah

oh yeah

it's den

mb

akkusativ

[gaunt night]

:)

[fervent kernel]

thanks! :)

[gaunt night]

np

[fervent kernel]

rest is correct?

[fervent kernel]

like it doesn't become meinen or meinem or smth

just meine?

[gaunt night]

Yes!

[fervent kernel]

@gaunt night

oh also

if you still here

how do I say the word push

in german

we got a translator but it's blocked by the school website rn

[fervent kernel]

"i pushed the chair to the corner" for example

[gaunt night]

Do you want to say „shove“ or „press“?

[fervent kernel]

shove sounds better

[gaunt night]

There are different ways to say that

Ok then it would be „schieben“

[fervent kernel]

i just wanna say I moved the location of a chair

but i don't wanna say like

"i placed the chair"

push just sounds more natural

[fervent kernel]

ich schiebe?

[gaunt night]

Ich schob den Stuhl

Ich schiebe is present tense

[fervent kernel]

Ich schiebe den Stuh-

ah

why is it not der stuhl btw

[gaunt night]

Akkusativ

[fervent kernel]

ah

[gaunt night]

The chair is being pushed

[fervent kernel]

Ich schob den Stuhl von den Braunen Schreibtisch.

[gaunt night]

Wen oder was schiebe ich? Den Stuhl

[gaunt night]

That’s still not correct

[fervent kernel]

fuck

[gaunt night]

„von dem braunen Schreibtisch“

[fervent kernel]

ich schob den schwarze stuhl von den-

why dem

[gaunt night]

Ik german is so hard

[fervent kernel]

tgregwepfje

wait why dem tho

i'm moving the chair

it's supposed to be den

[gaunt night]

I don’t even know how to explain why 😭

[fervent kernel]

hm

so this is also incorrect?

[gaunt night]

dem braunen Tisch

dem ist Dativ

[fervent kernel]

yeah

she wants us to only use akkusativ rn

did dativ earlier

[cosmic jasper]

Die deutsche Grammatik ist sowieso einfach nur übertrieben 😅

[fervent kernel]

dw I get the dativ = direct object and akkusativ = indirect

[gaunt night]

Yes! „braun“ doesn’t get capitalized

[fervent kernel]

oh yeah true

[gaunt night]

I hope you do :D

[fervent kernel]

but it is den?

den braunen schreibtisch

capital s

[gaunt night]

Ja leider haha

[gaunt night]

Yes Schreibtisch is a noun

[fervent kernel]

yes

[gaunt night]

I will write it correctly

[fervent kernel]

den braunen Schreibtisch

[gaunt night]

1. Ich lege die Bücher auf den braunen Schreibtisch.

2. Ich schob den Stuhl in die Ecke.

There you go

[fervent kernel]

hm

close

hang on

ik how to do it now

thanks

[gaunt night]

No problem :)

[fervent kernel]

Ich schnob den Stuhl von dem braunen Schreibtisch.

has to be correct

[gaunt night]

Yes (schob)

[fervent kernel]

ah

alr

ok

now I gotta figure out how to not use dem

nvm

that is prob acceptable

wait shit

that measn this is dem too

[night dagger]

was versuchst du eigentlich?

[fervent kernel]

writing sentences in akkusativ

using the word den

shortly put I got two pictures of the same room

[night dagger]

ah okay, also du hast recht

[fervent kernel]

one messy

one not messy

on the not messy one I am supposed to say what I did

for example i pushed the chair in front of the table

question is how tf does one write that without using dativ

i'm tryna use akkusativ

[night dagger]

also du hast die Gitarre gestellt, nicht hingelegt.

[fervent kernel]

teacher gave us this example

left is akkusativ

right is dativ

[fervent kernel]

english pls, my braincells hurt

[night dagger]

du bist B1, oder?

[fervent kernel]

i am b1?

[night dagger]

ok, ich versuche es noch mal zu erklären.

du hast eine Gitarre

[fervent kernel]

ja

i have a guitar

i place the guitar besides the brown clothing closet or whatver you call it

[night dagger]

und du hast die Gitarre neben den Schrank gestellt.

[fervent kernel]

yes

[night dagger]

nicht gelegt.

(lege)

[fervent kernel]

what is the difference between gestellt and gelegt

[night dagger]

was ist der Unterscheid zwischen "standing" und "laying"?

[fervent kernel]

uh

difference is one stands

like on the bottom

whilst laying is on the whole body of the guitar

rn it's standing

[night dagger]

ist die Gitarre hier horizontal oder vertikal?

die Gitarre steht.

die liegt nicht.

[night dagger]

genau, die steht.

[fervent kernel]

so you want me to write

[night dagger]

schreib was du willst, mein Kerl :) aber ich würde wahrscheinlich hier "stehen, steht, usw.." benutzen

[fervent kernel]

ah alr

i'm glad google translate exists

[night dagger]

du solltest DeepL ausprobieren.

es ist viel besser als Google Translate

[cosmic jasper]

Ich würde Ich stelle die Gitarre neben den braunen Kleiderschrank. schreiben 😋

[fervent kernel]

we're not allowed to use anything but clarify

since clarify is shut down for us rn

they said only google translate

[night dagger]

oder "ich hab es ... gestellt."

[fervent kernel]

alr so why is it not dem braunen...

i'm confused

[night dagger]

neben ist eine Wechselpräposition