questions-2

[scenic drift]

just gotta learn them

[tranquil echo]

Because Hunger is a noun and not an adjective :)) It’s more logic to say “I have hunger” than “I am hunger”

[scenic drift]

and, yes, you can't say "ich bin Hunger" anyway, it's grammatically incorrect

[gentle seal]

Ahh

[scenic drift]

you could say "Ich bin hungrig" but it's less common.

[gentle seal]

Hungrig is an Adjektive?

[ember gulch]

yes it means i am hunger not hungry

[tranquil echo]

Yepp

[ember gulch]

[gentle seal]

That's what I thought actually but wanted to make sure

[shut briar]

Wir haben schon sehr viel geschafft, und wir schaffen schon mehr

Klingt es natürlich? Besonders die beide schon

[lavish laurel]

..., und wir schaffen noch mehr.

[dusty pendant]

I have a quick question
how would one handle modal verbs in the future tense?

because werden already sorta works like a modal verb

[near folio]

Das Modalverb geht ans Ende des Satzes.
Ich werde dir helfen können.

[dusty pendant]

oohh

danke schön!

so it goes
subject - werden - literally everything else - verb - modal verb?

that's simple

what about in perfekt?

[near folio]

[haben in Present] + [main verb infintive] + [modal verb infinitive]
Zum Beispiel: Ich habe einen Termin nicht vereinbaren können.

[dusty pendant]

werden?

[near folio]

sorry, das war die Formel für den Passiv im Perfekt

anyway, in einem Hauptsatz wird immer das Modalverb zum Ende des Satzes geschoben, wenn es durch ein neues Verb als konjugiertes Verb ersetzt wird.

Plusquamperfekt: Er hatte den Computer ausschalten müssen.

[dusty pendant]

hm
so you basically just slap it at the end?

[near folio]

genau

geht auch so wenn du noch mehr Verben hast

[dusty pendant]

ohh

neat

one really quick follow up question
I've seen gehen used like that before
is, for instance, "es geht" used as "it means" as well?

[near folio]

nein, in diesem Sinne heißt es etwas wie es funktioniert auch so ... oder auf Englisch it also works that way...

[dusty pendant]

ahhh

danke! :)!

you've been very helpful, thank you very much

[acoustic breach]

Hallo, ich möchte nur wissen, ob die Position des Wortes "wieder" richtig ist

Ich lese wieder das Buch
Ich lese das Buch wieder
Ich habe wieder das Buch gelesen
Ich habe das Buch wieder gelesen

Vielen Dank im Voraus!

[fervent hollow]

What case is the preposition zur and zum in?

[fervent hollow]

Du hast meinen Frage antworten und ich habe nie das Frage fragen hmmm

[humble mauve]

On a german speaking reddit I said "Ich bin außer mir vor freude dass dieses Meme hat in die Deutschsprechenwelt eingegangen."

I was just wondering, is this a valid sentence? does this make sense?

I don't know if Deutschsprechenwelt for 'german speaking world' translates properly or if it sounds natural or what

[fallow ledge]

Not sure how to best formulate the sentence, but i can help you get rid of grammar errors

Hat is in the wrong spot and its should be ist to fit with gegangen

Deutschsprechenwelt seems a bit off maybe „deutschsprachige Welt“

I think i would use schaffen here, like „made it into“ and maybe ankommen

Ich bin außer mir vor Freude, dass dieses Meme (idk the gender) es geschafft hat, auch in der deutschsprachigen Welt anzukommen

Welt still feels weird but idk a better alternative

Not sure about a good verb either, einschlagen comes to mind for me its means to quickly become popular

Ich bin froh dass dieses Meme auch bei Deutschen einschlägt

As an idea 🤷‍♀️

[icy flax]

Maybe with Raum?
"Bin außer mir vor Freude, dass dieses Meme in den deutschsprachigen Raum gelangt/geraten ist."

[fallow ledge]

Ist mir auch eingefallen, aber ich dachte das bezieht sich nur auf die Länder, in denen Deutschgesprochen wird 🤷‍♀️

[ancient aspen]

"Ich bin außer mir vor Freude, dass es dieses Meme in die deutsch sprechende Welt geschafft hat/eingegangen ist"

[acoustic breach]

Hallo 😁

[noble yacht]

Hallo! Die richtige Position ist:
-Ich lese das Buch wieder
-Ich habe das Buch wieder gelesen

(Je nach Fragestellung sind die anderen Formen möglicherweise auch teilweise richtig, musst du da vielleicht auf eine bestimmte Frage antworten?)

[acoustic breach]

Ahh danke
Es war nur eine Aussage. Ich sagte darüber, was ich gerade mache

[noble yacht]

Ah, okay. Dann stimmen die beiden Formen 👍

[gleaming sedge]

zu is a dative preposition
zur = zu + der (fem dativ)
zum = zu + dem (mas/neu dativ)

[icy flax]

Wozu steht da ein "es" nach dem dass?

[ancient aspen]

Ich kann es nicht wirklich begründen aber man braucht es haha

Nach der Redewendung: "ich bin außer mir vor Freude, dass" braucht man eigentlich immer ein "es"

[scenic drift]

"ich bin außer mir vor Freude, dass du hier bist"? 🤔

[ancient aspen]

Hmmmmmm

Es ist kompliziert

Mir fallen gerade auch immer mehr Sätze ohne "es" ein haha

[icy flax]

Mhh.. Nur zum double-check, "Dieses Meme hat geschafft in die deutsch sprechende Welt." scheint mir einen kompletten Satz zu sein. Euch auch, oder würdet ihr eig "Es hat dieses Meme (...) geschafft" sagen?

[scenic drift]

"hat geschafft" feels like it needs an 'es' to me

[lavish laurel]

Yes, you need an "es": "Dieses Meme hat es in die deutsch sprechende Welt geschafft."

[long whale]

It's not a complete sentence for the simple reason that the Rektion is "etwas schaffen, i.e. "schaffen" requires a direct object. There is none in your sentence. :)

[icy flax]

Sogar wenn das schaffen im Sinne von "irgendwo geraten" verwendet wird? :O

Susana, weißt du wo man die Rektion Verben sehen kann?

[long whale]

What does "irgendwo geraten" mean, please? - Yes, pons has a very good list. Otherwise just google "Rektion deutsche Verben Liste". :)

[icy flax]

"in ein abgelegenes Dorf, in eine unwegsame Gegend geraten" wie dieses hier

[long whale]

That would be "irgendwohin geraten", and I may be missing something, but I fail to see how you could use "schaffen" in that sense. :)

[icy flax]

I would expect Rektion to change depending on the meaning being used.
schaffen ~ create
i create sth. (object required)

in etw. schaffen ~ to manage getting into somewhere
i managed getting into class (no object required)

[scenic drift]

doesn't "managing to get into somewhere" also requre an es?

[long whale]

Of course it does. :)

I was just checking whether there is any instance on DWDS where "schaffen" is used without a direct object...

[icy flax]

I dont get it, would you place a "it" in English?

[scenic drift]

german's not english, right 😅

[icy flax]

No, yeah, I know, but you meant that, havent you?

Maybe the rektion simply does not change here.

[long whale]

And yes, there is: when you use "schaffen" in the sense of "to work", which is regional. :)

[lavish laurel]

"etwas schaffen" has a mandatory Akkusativ-Objekt/Ergänzung.

which is highlighted by the "etwas"

[long whale]

"Sie schafft (= arbeitet) für drei" - but as I said, that's regional. :)

[lavish laurel]

Yes thats regional. schaffen = arbeiten

[icy flax]

Okay! In my head the "in Ort" was counting as the object already.

[lavish laurel]

abreiten does not have a mandatory AKK

[icy flax]

just to make it crystal clear, the "es" there is the object, not the subject, right?

[lavish laurel]

yes

[icy flax]

Okee

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-3777050

[ancient aspen]

schaffen can mean: to achieve
but also : to establish or to create

Like I think in the Bible it says that god "schuf" (impferfekt of schaffen) the world

but its not modern to use it as: to establish or to create

[willow socket]

and the past participles are different: geschafft = to have managed/achieved something
geschaffen = to have created something

[ancient aspen]

right

[karmic monolith]

Never noticed that

[shut briar]

Jemand hat mich gefragt, ob ich eine Show gesehen habe oder nicht

Ich will sagen, Yes, just yesterday actually

Soll ich Schon, nur oder erst gestern benutzen

Und für actually, eigentlich oder tatsächlich

[swift bough]

man könnte so antworten „Die (die Serie) habe ich tatsächlich [erst] gestern gesehen“

[shut briar]

Alles Klar, und Die Betonung gibt es auf erst oder

[ancient aspen]

Ich würde sagen die Betonung ist auf erst und gestern

[swift bough]

Kann dem nur zustimmen

[pastel pagoda]

ohhh Glukose

Schöner Name

[ancient aspen]

xD

[ancient aspen]

it is

[fervent veldt]

Is there a difference in everyday use?

[civic ivy]

I wouldn't say that there is a difference.

[willow socket]

I heard somewhere or from someone that “im Moment” was more similar to gerade in that it meant literally right in this moment as opposed to currently/lately

Can’t confirm that it’s true though

[fervent veldt]

interessant

[civic ivy]

I don't know if it's a personal thing that I just like to do, so I didn't say it, but I use "zurzeit" when it's in a more formal context. And "gerade" when I am talking with a friend.

[drowsy tulip]

Hi! Could anyone explain the meaning of "gescheiterte Existenz" to me please? Is it about an unsuccessful person or about someone's failed life?

[swift bough]

Theres a difference between im Moment and gerade at least

[willow socket]

Failed existence

[swift bough]

im Moment doesn’t mean the same thing

[willow socket]

Hm, odd. I heard precisely the opposite. But, as said, I don’t trust the advice I hear once and never again 😉

[swift bough]

It means like talking about „at the moment“ referring not only to the present moment but also to recently

Gerade is only the present

[drowsy tulip]

So does it mean a person who went astray in his life or the life itself that has no particular value to that very person?

[swift bough]

If someone asked for example if you have some product in stock and you didn’t you could say „im Moment nicht“

[willow socket]

Hier sagt er das Gleiche @swift bough

[swift bough]

Yeah momentan is the same shit too

[civic ivy]

I'd say it depends on the context.

[willow socket]

“Genau in diesem Moment”

[drowsy tulip]

Because according to some dictionaries that I looked up in this means a person not an existence.

[swift bough]

That is different, more like gerade then

[willow socket]

Yeah but if you look, that’s how they describe “im Moment”

[swift bough]

Bc that’s what gerade is „exactly at this Moment“

I guess in some contexts you could use both

But there are some where it wouldn’t work in pretty sure

[willow socket]

Probs listen to a native speaker

[willow socket]

An “existence” could definitely refer to a human existence I.e. a life

[swift bough]

The thing is I’ve learned all of what I’m saying from natives and from having talked to them so much

I notice patterns over time

[willow socket]

Ja und nicht nur du

[drowsy tulip]

I have never heard anyone use the word existence like that.

[willow socket]

It makes perfect sense that it would depend on context

[drowsy tulip]

Would the sentence "Eine elende gescheiterte Existenz hat im Leben völlig versagt" be a mistake?

Does it sound rather improper?

[willow socket]

Eh this is sorta a question of idiomatic-ism, and there is my weakest point. Grammatically it’s alright except missing a comma between elende, gescheiterte. But I can’t really say if it’s “improper” sounding

[drowsy tulip]

Thank you anyway

[swift bough]

Ok I thought of an example.

Im Moment studiere ich Lehramt.

Here you wouldn’t use gerade, as that would imply something actually taking place in front of you at that moment. Instead it’s just saying something you are progressively working at.
@willow socket

I have never ever heard gerade in this context

Momentan works tho

[willow socket]

Yeah like im Moment, depending on context, mean something more similar to gerade or momentan. Whereas either of those don’t exchange as easily—momentan being more general “currently” and gerade meaning more precisely “now.”

[fervent veldt]

why is an not at the end of the sentence? 🙂 🔫

[solid hull]

colloquial word order ig

technically, they started their first clause "wir fangen an" and then ended their sentence with a prepositional phrase
all while keeping it grammatical 😎

[fervent veldt]

Thanks Germans 👏

[fervent kernel]

how would you say "i eat ham/cheese sandwiches for lunch" with the ending "brot"

[fervent kernel]

How do you think it is pronounced?

sorry for the vague question, i meant how it would be said in german

like Schinkenbrot

"i eat ham sandwiches" in german

ich esse Schinkenbrote??

Yes that is right

oh

danke

np^^

[long whale]

I beg to disagree (sorry, no, I was not waiting!) Right or wrong, this is what you'll hear: "Das haben wir im Moment nicht da". 🤷

[long whale]

If you're explaining what "gescheiterte Existenz" means, it's fine. :)

[drowsy tulip]

But what if I'm talking about a certain person that has been mentioned before? "Die elende, gescheiterte Existenz versagt total im Leben"?

[long whale]

Then it would be a tautology. "Er ist eine gescheiterte Existenz" would be sufficient. :)

[drowsy tulip]

Okay. Thanks a lot!

[pliant pelican]

could anyone explain me "zu", for example: zu teuer

[long whale]

zu + Adjektiv = too, as in "too expensive" (= I can't afford it) :)

[pliant pelican]

oh okay my teacher said its a negative extra

so ı just confused thanks a lot @long whale

[long whale]

Well, yes, your teacher is right. We don't use "zu" with positive Adjectives. Das Essen ist zu gut doesn't make much sense. :)

[scenic drift]

"Das Essen ist zu gut, ich muss bei meiner Diät schummeln"?
🤔

[long whale]

Yes, or "Das Essen ist zu gut, ich habe zugenommen" :D

[scenic drift]

relatable.

can you use schummeln to refer to cheating on a diet?

[long whale]

Sure. "schummeln" is always good for "cheating" in a non-criminal way, I think. :)

[scenic drift]

thanks susana

[long whale]

Argh - except for relationships, of course. But you knew that, anyway, didn't you?

[scenic drift]

yep :) 😻

don't worry, i haven't forgotten all my german 😉

[fervent veldt]

Was ist der Unterschied? 🙂

[fervent kernel]

zubereiten is mostly used with food e.g. "Ich bereite mir was zu"

Sich auf etwas vorbereiten = to prepare yourself for something

Aufbereiten means something like processing

[fervent veldt]

Danke Sir

[ionic folio]

Hallo zusammen! Kann mir bitte jemand sagen, was die Bedeutung des Wortes "wohl" in der gesprochenen Sprache ist?

[noble yacht]

Hey @ionic folio , "wohl" bekräftigt meistens eine Antwort, zB:

-Das ist so (~Thats right)
-> Das ist wohl so

Die Bedeutung von einem Satz wird eigentlich nicht verändert...

[ionic folio]

verstehe. Und es kann daher als "echt" bezeichnet werden?

[noble yacht]

Meinst du, dass echt und wohl dieselbe Bedeutung haben?

[ancient aspen]

you can just translate "echt" to "really" or "for real" like: this is really bad (das ist echt (oder wirklich) schlimm)

[ionic folio]

Alles klar. Danke sehr!

[solid bear]

Hi guys, need a bit of advice on one thing! I need to revise my declensions after 20 years of not studying or practicing German. I'm going to put them in Anki to memorize them but my question is : is it more efficient, when memorizing, to group them by case, or by gender ? Meaning, do I memorize all the akkusativ together, or all the masculine together, etc...

[ancient aspen]

Probably its smarter to group them, because if you think back when you learned a word you already know which case it is

[solid bear]

yes but that's my question, how do I group them? By gender (all the masculine cases together, all the feminine etc...) or by case (all the akkusativ together, all the datif together)...)

[ancient aspen]

I would group them by gender

[swift bough]

What exactly is it you’re disagreeing with…? We both said we could use „im Moment“ in this scenario…

[scenic drift]

how do you plan on doing the 'grouping' in practice? 🤔 i found the best thing was learning 'in context' so just having a bunch of cards with a bunch of examples

[plain umbra]

faq adjective declension

[stoic mauve]

Adjective Declension

A Brief Guide to Memorizing German Noun and Adjective Declension by Basementality
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jWl5-kkqF3FQLDzrz8XLBJj7hvPFQK7MT5SYEDGK65E/edit

[plain umbra]

This is what I recommend personally.

[rigid agate]

Hallo ,
an der Spitze von + Dtv

In welchen Situationen wird es verwendet? Können Sie ein Beispiel und seine Bedeutung schreiben?

[still lantern]

ein Beispiel:

An der Spitze von meiner Karriere war ich depressiv.
Man kann hier sogar das "von" weglassen, dann wird es umgangssprachlicher.

[rigid agate]

Vielen Dank 🙏

[icy flax]

Mit einem Wort, sie gäben wahre Musterpatienten ab, wenn nicht in der letzten Zeit Bedenkliches, ja geradezu Gräßliches vorgekommen wäre.
Fehlt dabei kein "etwas"? Dieses Buch ist etwa alt.

[still lantern]

Quick answer: Nein, es fehlt kein "etwas", es ist auch keine veraltete Sprechweise. So spricht man heute noch. Ich kann dir aber leider nicht erklären, warum. Dazu müsste jemand mit Fachkenntnissen das für dich erklären.

[dusty pendant]

ist "Ich kann wenig Deutsch" richtig?

[fervent kernel]

yes

[dusty pendant]

danke :)

[fervent kernel]

np :D

[dusty pendant]

hey, i have a really dumb, broad question
i've pretty much achieved A1, but
I'm kind of lost as to where to go now?
A1 was all about the grammar and the basics, but I'm sort of lost
sorry if that's a dumb question to ask, but it's my first time learning german, after all :D

[fervent kernel]

Time for A2 now

or refine your speaking skills, learn new vocabulary, etc.

[dusty pendant]

ofc ofc

i just don't know
what that means
I'm learning with the internet so i don't exactly know what A2 means
are there any resources i should check out?

[fervent kernel]

I don't know how you're learning german but you can take courses, textbooks, internet, etc. there are many ways

I am gonna be honest, taking a national A1 test is not worth it IMO

So you can just go straight to A2

[swift bough]

Look up on google CEFR levels

[fervent kernel]

Yes and you should know what A1, A2, B1, etc.. even means

[near folio]

@dusty pendantmach >faq beginner in #botchannel, die Infos da könnten dir helfen

[dusty pendant]

i was just gonna say

i suppose i wasn't clear
just to see how far I've gotten
purely for my own purposes
I did the a1 and a2 tests online
and I'd say I've already gotten to a1 level so

but, thank you
I'll check that out

[steel walrus]

Hello, hey guys quick question about präteritum and perfekt tenses. I came across these two sentences earlier "ich wohnte & ich habe gewohnt" and was wondering, do they mean "i lived & i have lived"and if they do is that always the case? Like, präteritum: [verb]-ed / perfekt: have [verb]-ed.

[fallow ledge]

Präteritum and perfekt carry the same meaning in german, its just the idea pf something happening in the past.

The main difference between them is when they are used. Perfekt is most common in spoken, emails, texts etc.
Präteritum is more commonly seen in stories like novels and sometimes spoken stories too

But some common verbs, like modal verbs, haben and sein are more commonly used in Präteritum than perfekt

Ich hatte mal einen Hund
Ich musste meine Hausaufgaben machen

[steel walrus]

@fallow ledge so its more about the circumstances under which they are used rather than 2 ways of expressing something that happened in the past tense?. I thought i could just simply use it the same way i would with -ed / have -ed like i walked/i have walked. 😅 well still, thanks for the info ^^

[icy flax]

Yes! ||I'm 99% that was a rhetorical question, but I prefer to come out dumb over going to bed with an un-answered question in this chat||
(Mind you that Blüwü mentioned some verbs are also used in Präteritum in spoken language very often.)

[fervent hollow]

What does dazu mean and what contexts do i use it in?

[plain umbra]

It's something called a da-compound. It essentially means like "zu + [das]". So in English you might think of it as "to that", or something similar. Like you also have damit (with that), dafür (for that), and so on, depending on what exact preposition you need for a certain construction. You can find more info here: https://resources.german.lsa.umich.edu/grammatik/da/

[fervent kernel]

@long whale kannst du mir bitte das Verb ,,wert sein" erklären?

Ich habe solche Satzkonstruktion gesehen :

1. das ist nicht der Rede wert. Hier ist rede in genitiv

3. Berlin ist eine Reise wert. Hier ist reise in akkusativ

😫

[long whale]

2 is not correct: Das ist einen Versuch wert

[fervent kernel]

Ok, 1 and 3?

[long whale]

So, what you've got is 1 fixed expression: nicht der Rede wert sein. And then you've got the rule, which is "jemandem (Dat) ist etwas (Nom) etwas (Akk) wert" ;) If you have a look at https://www.dwds.de/wb/wert you'll see it used to be used with Genitiv (eine[r] Sache wert), which has changed to Akk. :)

[fervent kernel]

Also kann man praktiach sagen, in der Regel fordert das Verb Akkusativ als Objekt. Ausnahmsweise einige Redewendungen.

Hab ich es richtig verstanden?

[plush pelican]

Question: If I said, "Ich wollte produktiv sein", does this require that I have an end-product at the end of whatever I do?

I had a native German say that they didn't think I could say that I wanted to be "produktiv" and so went on a walk, because at the end of the walk, I hadn't produced any "Produkt".

If so, what else can I say? They suggested, "Ich wollte etwas tun", which doesn't sound quite as good to me.

[whole portal]

Yea no you're definitely not "produktiv" on a walk

„Ich wollte etwas tun.“ sounds fine to me

You could say „Ich wollte nicht nur rumsitzen.“

[nimble willow]

Could I please ask why in the example ''jeden morgen auf dem Weg zur Arbeit komme ich an vielen berühmten Sehenswürdigkeiten vorbei'' the declension on berühmt is -en?

My understanding is that the landmarks have no article so the declension should be -e?

[bright brook]

-e is because they ARE many of them

Plural

[ancient aspen]

you mean -en

[nimble willow]

But the example text uses -en inferring that that there is either an indefinite or definite article for the landmarks which the text does not

[bright brook]

Yes, im sorry

-en is when you use the plural

[nimble willow]

Yes but that's only when there's an indefinite or definite article correct?

When there is no article for the noun it should be -e right?

[bright brook]

Its when plural... Die Sehenswürdigkeiten

or singular ... Die Sehenswürdigkeit

If theres no article its... eine SehenswürdigKEIT singular, SehenswürdigkeitEN in plural

I cant explain well

[nimble willow]

No worries. Im told ankommen is a dative verb so the declension of the adjective is from the no article section but in dative

[nimble willow]

Thank you for the help!

[bright brook]

Youre welcome ^^

[long whale]

1 exception (nicht der Rede wert), otherwise, Genitiv is sometimes optional. As in: you may see Genitiv, but you'd best use Akkusativ. :)

[rustic fern]

Hallo! Wie ist es richtig? Er wünscht sich etwas werden/zu werden

[bright brook]

etwas zu werden

[rustic fern]

Nur bei den Modalverben verwendet man den Infinitiv ohne "zu", oder gibt es auch andere Ausnahmen?

[long whale]

There are a few more, yes. Have a look: https://deutsch.lingolia.com/de/grammatik/verben/infinitiv

[fervent hollow]

Would I'ich weiß es nicht, ich noch beleidige gerne mich be a valid grammatically correct thing to same?''

[fervent kernel]

What exactly are you trying to say?

[fervent hollow]

I enjoy insulting myself

[fervent kernel]

mkay the sentence would be "Ich weiß es nicht, ich beleidige mich gerne (noch) selbst" the verb comes in the second position

[icy flax]

Hi, I guess I asked this here the other day, but still have got no clearer answer. Usually we see nominalised adjectives when there is an article (der, die, ein), indefinite pronom (viele, mancher, nichts, alles, etwas), or a preposition (von Gut und Böse, für Jund und Alt).

Why are these below capitalized? I get from context they are referring to the last occurrences (a sister was struggled in the sanatory) but I am so damn hard missing the "etwas" there. A friend said he cannot explain why, but said it is common to use without the "was" too. Do you guys agree? I so rarely saw this that I think it is wrong and needs a "was".

Mit einem Wort, sie gäben wahre Musterpatienten ab, wenn nicht in der letzten Zeit Bedenkliches, ja geradezu Gräßliches vorgekommen wäre.
Quelle: Die Physiker [Friedrich Dürrenmatt, 1962]

[swift bough]

Just as confused as you

Never seen it like that before

[swift bough]

Actually I thought of one common phrase, „oder Ähnliches“. Not sure why there isn’t a was/etwas jere either, I just always accepted this as a set phrase.

[icy flax]

true! That's one of those so common expressions, they are even abbreviated right. ,,o. Ä."

[thorn pelican]

Ähnliches is a nominalised adjective there - or [something] similar

[swift bough]

We know

What we don’t know is why there isn’t a etwas/was directly before it

[thorn pelican]

because you don't need one. Words like that are often recognisable through the use of an article or other such word, but they aren't necessary - so long as the adjective is being used as a noun.

[icy flax]

same applies to the passage in text, @thorn pelican ?

I don't recall seeing that often enough to remember.

I read the sentence three times to make sure there was no "was" missing there.

Imagine someone coming to you and "Es ist Bedenkliches und Gräßliches vorgekommen"

it screams for a "was", does it not?

[thorn pelican]

I see no other reason why they aren't nominalisations there
e.g. Wir haben Folgendes geplannt

[icy flax]

Folgendes is extremelly common too, like the oder "Ähnliches"

not the case with "Bedenkliches" and "Gräßliches"

Don't you find odd the way it is written there?

[thorn pelican]

it's uncommon - very, ah, gehobene language, but certainly not ungrammatical

[icy flax]

aahhh... in that case, I will just delete Susana from there. The book is old (1962). It must be it then, older gehobenes Deutsch, but still grammatical. Good to know!

Thanks!

[long whale]

It's fine. 🤷 (Except we'd go 👀 at the fancy way of speaking.) You know what I think it is? "etwas Gräßliches" = 1 instance of something horrifying happening. "Gräßliches" = possibly many instances of horrifying things happening.

[icy flax]

First and foremost, sorry if the ping woke you up.
Secondly, thanks for the answer, Susana!
And third, you got it straight there on the mark. I have not mentioned because I didn't find important but in fact before the sister being struggled, three months ago another sister was also struggled by another Irren in the Sanatorium. I'm impressed that these undertones exist there just bc of a "was". 😮
@swift bough, check this, cool thing it is!

[long whale]

Yeah. Because that's definitely what it is with o. Ä. We don't mean "or one similar thing", we mean "or similar things"

[heavy viper]

how to say "join the german discord server" in german?

[fallow ledge]

Trete dem deutschen Discord-Server bei! You can also run it through translators like deepl

[wooden laurel]

Dieser Kampf ist eine immer aufs Neue zu treffende Entscheidung. Ich verstehe zwar die Bedeutung des Satz, aber nicht die Grammatik des Satz.

[fallow ledge]

Da ist ein Relativsatz, aus dem eine adjektivische Phrase gemacht wurde. Man konnte diesen Satz so umformulieren:
Dieser Kampf ist eine Entscheidung, die immer aufs Neue zu treffen ist.

Der ganze Relativsatz lässt sich in ein Adjektiv verwandeln und zwar: „immer aufs Neue zu treffend“ was auch dekliniert werden muss und zwischen dem Artikel und dem Nomen steht bzw. zwischen eine und Entscheidung

(Sagt mir mal Bescheid, wenn ich den Satz falsch umformuliert habe, ich weiß eigentlich nicht ob es so im Passiv stehen sollte )

[long whale]

I'd say it's fine. "die immer aufs Neue getroffen werden muss" would be another possibility. :)

[remote thicket]

Hi! Can anyone please explain the difference between schenken and schicken? They both mean to send, right? I don't get the difference 😅 Thanks

[long whale]

schenken to gift; to give as a present. schicken is just the colloquial version of senden, yes. :)

Of course, if somebody says "Meine Tante hat mir [zum Geburtstag] ein Buch geschickt" it would mean the aunt sent it as a present. :)

[plain umbra]

Schicken is colloquial?

[remote thicket]

Thank you so much! I'm having a test next week

[long whale]

Argh. That's what I get for being lazy. sigh Not colloquial, but typical for spoken German, as opposed to written German. Is what I meant.

[plain umbra]

Oh I see, interesting.

[long whale]

Yes - I'll never know why language books never seem to mention these very frequently used verbs (in spoken German, that is) like kriegen (instead of bekommen) and schmeißen (instead of werfen). And I'd count schicken (as opposed to senden) among them.

[wooden laurel]

so immer aufs Neue zu treffend ist ein Adjektiv?

[lone sedge]

There is a reason for that, I think. Near my region 'kriegen' can also or even mainly mean 'to fetch' or 'to give'. Kriegst du mir bitte den Hammer da? Alles eine Frage, wie verwirrend man es möchte.

[wooden laurel]

is there a term for this? that I can look up on YouTube?

[fallow ledge]

there is a name but i dont know it. i found this in a resource thing i have tho

das was in deinem Satz steht, ist also eine Art Passiversatz

[lone sedge]

Partizip Präsens. Ein laufender Hund. Ein Hund, der läuft.

[long whale]

You could check "Ersatzpassiv", yes. :)

[wooden laurel]

yes, but the Adjektiv was a phrase

is this only sued in written German or in spoken also?

[long whale]

Formal written German, exclusively. :)

[fallow ledge]

ahhh its called extended adjectives

extended modifiers too

[long whale]

Combined with Ersatzpassiv/Passiversatz, yeah.

[fallow ledge]

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/extended/Extended.html

[wooden laurel]

both of you guys thanks @fallow ledge @long whale

[fallow ledge]

@wooden laurel noch eine Webseite mit Erklärungen und Beispielen https://deutschegrammatik20.de/passiv/das-gerundiv/

[rustic fern]

Danke!

[willow socket]

https://leananki.com/how-to-use-anki-tutorial/

[icy flax]

Frage zur Grammatik: der, den oder nix?
Fühlst du dich da mit der Sprache und Kultur wohl?

[long whale]

It's okay the way it is. :)

[swift bough]

Den wouldn’t even really work

[icy flax]

Oh, hi, Susana! (:
Könntest Du auch überprüfen, ob diese Beispiele richtig sind? (statt von vielen Fragen zu stellen, wäre Dir und mir schneller, wenn du einfach mit Ja/Nein antwortet)

1. Fühlst du dich mit der Sprache und der Kultur wohl?
2. Fühlst du dich mit Sprache und Kultur wohl?
3. Fühlst du dich mit den Sprache und Kultur wohl?
4. Fühlst du dich mit den englischen Sprache und südlichen Kultur wohl?

[icy flax]

3. ist dann falsch. Auf meiner Sprache musstest du so schreiben. Da ist dann ein Unterschied. Danke, Bundes!

[long whale]

But... you know "mit" requires Dativ! It always does! 👀@icy flax

1 - talking about a specific place, this is the only version which works.

2 - Works, but means something entirely different. Means "Are you okay with language and culture in general" - which is pretty weird.

[swift bough]

I’m pretty sure if you say „fühlst du dich mit Sprache wohl“ it’s no longer referring to one particular language and instead to language as a whole.

[icy flax]

Can't you agglutinate two singular articles into one, making it plural?

[long whale]

👀

[swift bough]

Not even I have ever heard of the word agglutinate a single time in my life

[long whale]

What kind of an idea is that? You aren't going to tell me it works in Portuguese, are you?

[icy flax]

[don't throw me in the fire, sooorry, I thought it was possible haha, maybe a portuguese thing? haha #fear]

[long whale]

Please, do show me an example in Portuguese, will you?

[swift bough]

It doesn’t work voodoo. Think about a sentence like this. „Ich bin bei meinem Bruder und meiner Schwester“, have you really ever heard these two just combined into „meinen“ for this example? I know I never have (because it makes no sense in German)

They would have to be a collective noun, „ich bin bei meinen Geschwistern“

(Maybe it doesn’t actually count as collective since you can also have das Geschwister but I think you know what I meant)

[icy flax]

noooo, I might have created this in my head. All the ones I try to write seem outrageously wrong. I asked some friends too, but I think I cannot, @long whale

[long whale]

Come on. I am so looking forward to this example of yours, @icy flax ! Because I know it doesn't work in Spanish or in Galaico-Portugués.

[long whale]

Unsurprised... 😹

[icy flax]

mach Dir keine große Erwartung haha

[swift bough]

Maybe you’re just thinking of something which is kinda similar idk

[icy flax]

yes, I sure am because it was one suggestion I got in the thesis, but it... it does not come to mind. It could very well be one of my Geistdurchfälle

they are getting more and more common

[swift bough]

Tbh something similar always happens to me @icy flax

[icy flax]

Ok, so, both me and my friend agree on learning this monster:
"eu já tenho os lápis e caneta."
(but we disagree on the precise rule. While she remembers our teacher saying we follow the gender of the closer word, I remember we always make is masculine if one of them is masculine [we have feminine and masculine plural])

[icy flax]

@fervent kernel
what does "ich bin zu spaß" directly translate to
im having issues with "fun" and "late"

[fervent kernel]

i'm here

[icy flax]

I've brought it here bc it's busy there.

[fervent kernel]

no problem

[icy flax]

spaß is a noun for "fun", and for being a noun it must be written with a bit letter -> Spaß
"ich bin zu Spaß" wouldn't make sense, but you can be "lustig/spaßig" with would be "funny/one_that_likes_to_joke"

late is "spät"

ich bin zu spät (I am very too late)

[fervent kernel]

Ah, I was trying to say "I'm too late" I understand now

I greatly appreciate the help

[icy flax]

that zu is actually more of "too late"

[long whale]

Wow. How very interesting! Thanks, Voodoo! :)

[ancient pulsar]

Wie wäre es mit 3 Uhr?

Can I say this to mean that I cannot make it at 2 o'clock, so How about 3 (o'clock)?

[fluid bough]

Yes, this is good.

[fervent kernel]

Is "In der nächsten woche machst du einen Test" correct or is "in dem nächsten woche machst du einen Test" correct?

[willow socket]

die Woche

[fervent kernel]

But it's Dativ so it der right?

Ohhhhhh

Got it

[ancient pulsar]

thank you

[fervent kernel]

Do people say "um Mitternacht" or "in der Mitternacht"?

[hollow ether]

um or gegen Mitternacht

[hollow grove]

Meine Freundin bäckt/backt für uns einen Schokoladenkuchen.(which one is correct here? "bäckt" or "backt"?)

[long whale]

It's your choice. :)

@hollow grove

[hollow grove]

is that mean both are true?

[deep yoke]

yes

[delicate tiger]

the forms with ä (du bäckst/er bäckt) are correct, but highly outdated; the ones with a (backst/backt) are standard

[hollow grove]

thank you all 🙂

[long whale]

Ehh... the only one which is becoming obsolete is Präteritum "buk". The 2 Präsens forms are both fine. :)

[delicate tiger]

I haven't seen the forms with "ä" in a Book younger than 100 years and never heard them, must be very regional then

[long whale]

I'd never seen "backt" written, before I checked Duden. So, I agree - must be regional. :D

[fervent kernel]

There's more words like this where you can say ä or a like fragt frägt

[long whale]

There probably are more verbs like that, yes, but "fragen" isn't one of them. In Standard German, there's only "fragt". :)

[fervent kernel]

frugst hab ich noch nie gehört allerdings

[long whale]

Yes, that's what "landschaftlich" means: it isn't Standard. :)

[fervent kernel]

But is it accepted ?

[long whale]

Not as far as I know, no: https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/fragen

Whereas Duden does show both forms for "backen". :)

[fervent kernel]

wow that is weird

I grew up with "er frägt" being more used than "er fragt"

du fragst, er frägt... naja xD

Werde ich wohl weiterhin so machen 😂

[thin galleon]

when i have a sentence with two verbs, one have to go to the end right? but how do i know which one? and what about questions, do the verbs switch places?

[plain umbra]

99% of the time it will be the same verb order as English, so that makes it a bit easier. So the first one is conjugated and goes at the second position, and the other one is infinitive form and goes at the end.

Example: I want to learn German.

Ich will Deutsch lernen.

Like that.

[thin galleon]

got it, thanks

so basically, the infinitive one goes last?

[plain umbra]

Yes. But I should add, it depends on what the first verb is.

If it's a modal verb, like in the example, then this rule we discussed is correct.

But sometimes you have some other verb, and then you get a different type of construction.

For example: I try to learn German. Ich versuche, Deutsch zu lernen.

This is called zu-infinitive and it happens because I used versuchen (which isn't a modal verb) instead of wollen (which is a modal verb).

[thin galleon]

so you cant separate the zu-infinitive because of versuchen, but you could in other case?

[plain umbra]

What do you mean by separate?

[thin galleon]

i mean, without the comma

[plain umbra]

The comma is optional anyway. I just used it to make it clear that there's two clauses.

It would be correct to say "Ich versuche Deutsch zu lernen." without comma.

But the important part is, instead of one clause like "Ich will Deutsch lernen", you have two clauses, "Ich versuche" and "Deutsch zu lernen".

[thin galleon]

"Ich versuche zu Deutsch lernen", its totally wrong

[plain umbra]

Yeah.

Because the verb is "zu lernen". That's why it's called zu-infinitive, because it's infinitive with zu.

[thin galleon]

yeah, i got the idea. it only works as infinitive with zu

otherwise its grammatically wrong

danke schön

[plain umbra]

Bitte.

[thin galleon]

between "können" and "kuchen", for example, kuchen would be in the end, right? even though both look like their infinitive forms.

[plain umbra]

Sorry, I don't get your question.

[thin galleon]

maybe it shouldn't be in this channel. i have to put the verbs in the right place but it's conjugated in the 3rd plural form, so i don't know which verb is in the infinitive and which is conjugated.

[plain umbra]

This channel is fine.

Can you give the whole sentence?

[thin galleon]

Ron und Senia - gut - (können, kuchen)

something like that

[plain umbra]

And let's say this was a sentence, what do you think it would be?

[thin galleon]

for me kuchen would be at the end because it sounds more relevant

and there‘s a „gut“ there too

[plain umbra]

What do you think the sentence would be in English?

[thin galleon]

Ron and Senia can cook well

[fallow ledge]

I dont think Kuchen is a verb

kochen is tho

Der Kuchen cake
Kochen to cook/boil

[plain umbra]

True,

But for the sake of the grammar let's assume it's kochen then.

[plain umbra]

Right, so like I said before, the first verb will be the conjugated one and the other will be the infinitive one.

So for "can cook" it will be like... ich kann kochen, du kannst kochen, er/sie kann kochen, wir können kochen, ihr könnt kochen, sie können kochen...

In each of these, you can see the können is conjugated but kochen stays as infinitive.

[spring socket]

They can cake well 🍰

[plain umbra]

And like I said earlier as well, how you know which is which is that it's 99% of the time the same in English so you can just do it without thinking much about it.

[thin galleon]

oops 😶

[thin galleon]

yeah, i'll try to think about that in the future, thanks again

[plain umbra]

Np.

[thin galleon]

it was kochen btw, my bad

[radiant umbra]

can you explain for me

how the

der die das work

like : das essen

der kaffee

etc

[fervent kernel]

Der, die, das are the definitive articles in german, they are like "the" in english. Every noun in german has a gender and the article corresponds to that gender. der = male, die = female, das = neuter

[radiant umbra]

oh so

i can't know it

so i must learn it by heart what gender each words is ?

[fervent kernel]

Unfortunately, there are no real rules to what gender a noun has. Although I've heard someone say that almost all fruits use "die". Except for apfel which would be male

[radiant umbra]

oh

so it kinda random

i just think if it can't not be count then i use das

else just die and der

[scenic drift]

@radiant umbra do >faq gender and >faq gender patterns in #botchannel :)

[radiant umbra]

i just want to know how can i know the gender of the noun without bit

bot*

[scenic drift]

the reason is suggest it is that it's a guide that someone on this server has written about (a) how noun genders in german work, (b) how you can figure out the gender of nouns

[radiant umbra]

oh danke

[fervent kernel]

This is a good picture explaining some rules @radiant umbra

[radiant umbra]

ok thank you guys alot

[charred harbor]

@radiant umbra Statistically most nouns in German are feminine, so a good rule of thumb is if you have absolutely no idea (nor of any rules to guide you), default to that and you have the highest chance of being right

[radiant umbra]

feminine is die right ?

[charred harbor]

Yes

Oh wait, sorry sorry! I should probably have added this for clarity

Masculine is slightly higher than feminine

According to some sources

So it depends on who you ask, but roughly 40% of nouns are masculine, 40% are feminine and 20% are neuter (I think most will claim that feminine is slightly higher though. But there's not much in it TBH)

[long whale]

Guessing really is a terrible idea, trust me. As soon as you get beyond the "Der Apfel ist rot" stage in German, getting the gender wrong will almost inevitably lead to many more mistakes: wrong adjective endings, and wrong pronouns, which in turn can really hinder understanding. :)

[charred harbor]

Haha yeah I don't disagree

I just meant if you're stuck with a super hard word or something (and it's not appropriate to ask the other person what the gender is), defaulting to das would be a bit weird statistically speaking

But yeah it's not a great idea to be encouraging guesswork xD

[long whale]

Except in exams, I can't really think of a situation where asking would be inappropriate. :).

[charred harbor]

I was just thinking of an IRL (maybe deep?) conversation where suddenly asking a language question could be disruptive or not appropriate

[whole portal]

I mean

[plain umbra]

In my experience, you're usually only having to guess if you're talking to someone who already knows German. In that case, I usually just say whatever first comes to mind (or sometimes both options) and then say "Is that right?" or use a questioning tone of voice, and then the person just says the correct version.

[whole portal]

Getting the genus wrong doesnt make you inunderstandable

[plain umbra]

It's not disruptive at all. It takes only half a second to complete that exchange.

[whole portal]

My girlfriends mom has a russian accent and often gets things wrong

It sounds more funny than horribly wrong tbh

[charred harbor]

Depends on how big a deal you make out of it I guess

[plain umbra]

Yes, but that goes for anything.

Asking doesn't mean "Give me a 1 hour lecture on the history of the word and how it came to have this gender". It's usually more like "Die Baum?" "Der Baum" and then you go on with your conversation.

[charred harbor]

Give me a 1 hour lecture on the history of the word and how it came to have this gender

[whole portal]

Altho it's weird to correct my very standard german speaking girlfriend that it is, in fact, not der Püree ^^

[charred harbor]

Wouldn't it be das Püree, typically?

[whole portal]

Yes but she got it wrong from her non native parents

She got a few quirks like that

She says Schalter instead of Fernbedienung xd

[fast sable]

Sie schreibt Vokabeln in ihr Heft. Why no in ihren Heft? Because it’s das Heft and accusative?

[willow socket]

das is das in akkusativ

der-->den
die-->die
das-->das
die (pl) --> die

[spring socket]

which one is more idiomatic, Ersparnis or Ersparnisse? From what I understand, both of them refer to savings

[fervent kernel]

Depends on the context, so I would say it's a 50/50

[spring socket]

Ich muss Geld sparen, um meine Ersparnisse auszubauen. Does this work?

[fervent kernel]

Yeah this sounds fine but I would say something like "Ich muss Geld sparen, damit ich mein Ersparnis erhöhen kann" or something along the lines of

[spring socket]

Thanks for your help :)

[fervent kernel]

Kein Problem ^^

[long whale]

This would be okay, and you'd definitely use plural for "money in the bank". It's only when we're talking about "money saved" as in "money not spent" that we use "Ersparnis" in singular. If you get something for 500 Euros which normally costs 1000 -> eine Ersparnis von 500 Euro. :)

[long whale]

I'm afraid this wouldn't really work. :) https://www.dwds.de/wb/Ersparnis

[fervent kernel]

Yeah I kinda had a feeling

[spring socket]

Thanks, I'm going to bear this in mind when I come across the word during my immersion:)

[lucid sluice]

Does this make sense: „Könntest du nicht besser konzentrieren auf 1 Sprache?“

[fallow ledge]

Id add a sich and move some elements around

Könntest du dich nicht besser auf 1/eine Sprache konzentrieren?

(The 1 is said like eine)

Im not sure if the word choices 100% make sense but the grammar should be all good now 👍

[lucid sluice]

Thank you. The reflexivpronomen confuse me sometimes as a Dutch man

In some cases the Dutch leave it out while the Germans still use it

Like here, konzentrieren dich. In dutch you would just say ik concentreer op, no reflexivpronom

[swift bough]

In German it’s basically very strict. If you leave it out or change the pronoun from accusative to dative or vice versa, it can change the entire meaning.

Sometimes it won’t even make sense if there is not associated meaning with a verb and a certain reflexive pronoun

But you can’t just leave them out in German

Unless you want to express something totally different

[lucid sluice]

Yes, that’s with dutch too, and it’s pretty similar with Dutch but with some verbs we just leave it out

Like konzentrieren here

Anyways thank you for the response

[swift bough]

np

[rocky mural]

Does anyone know where I can find Netzwerk B1.2 arbeitsbuch audios? I don't have a DVD player and have been struggling to find it 😦

[long whale]

If you're still interested, "könnte" + "besser" simply doesn't work. Actually, just like in English, right? You couldn't say "Couldn't you better...?", you'd say "Hadn't you better...? Or so I think. Anyway, in German, you'd have to say "Solltest du dich nicht besser/lieber auf X konzentrieren?" or "Wäre es nicht besser, wenn du dich auf X konzentrieren würdest?" :)

[plush pelican]

In English, if you are trying to suggest that it would be easier/better if you concentrated on a single language, you would in fact say, "Couldn't you concentrate better with just 1 language?" There's also an idiom, "I couldn't be better", meaning that your situation is as good as it could be.

"Hadn't you better" is teacher-speak, not really used in real life. Or maybe with the Brits, idk how they do things xD.

[acoustic breach]

Guten Tag
Ich möchte fragen:

Nutzt man überhaupt in echten Leben "gern geschehen"
Ich habe das nur in Büchern gelesen, aber in echten Leben sagt man meistens anders als "gern geschehen"

z.B. bitte, bitte schön, gerne, keine Ursache, kein Problem, nicht der Rede wert
Aber fast niemals "gern geschehen"

[lilac hornet]

....Now that you ask - das habe ich einmal mit Kollegen benutzt und habe ein paar komische Gesichte gesehen...

[acoustic breach]

Jemand hat das in #beginner-german gefragt 😂

Naja
Eines die ersten Wörter, die wir gelernt haben, wäre "gern geschehen"

Und dann nutzt man nicht mehr.

[long whale]

Ah! That would work, but with a different meaning: Könntest du dich nicht besser konzentrieren, wenn du nur eine Sprache lernen würdest? (meaning you're constantly confused because of learning several languages). "I couldn't be better" wouldn't work in German, of course, but "It couldn't be better" does: "[Es] Könnte nicht besser sein". I'm curious now, don't you even say "You'd better..."? :)

[plush pelican]

There's varying levels of politeness to suggestions/requests/commands, right?

Would you do this for me?
Will you do this for me?
Do this for me.
You'd better do this for me (or else).

[long whale]

I was just wondering about the "Hadn't you better...?", since "You'd better..." = "You had better..." :)

[plush pelican]

"Couldn't you concentrate better" is a very polite form, because it's not even saying you should do something, just asking whether you agree that focusing on one language would be better. You can disagree with that, and thereby reject the suggestion entirely.

"You'd better" is a very commanding way of saying something. When I hear that, I imagine an assertive Black woman saying to her son, "You'd better do your homework, or I'm going to whup your ass"

Of course, intonation matters here as well, I suppose. For instance, "You'd better finish your homework, before Mom finds out," sounds like helpful advice, if you have the right tone.

[long whale]

Yes, I'm more or less aware of the different levels of politeness in English. In German, as I said, the meaning would change, if only a little. :)

[plush pelican]

I'm sort of trying to work this out as I write as well, it's difficult to self-reflect on.

But yeah, "Hadn't you better" just sounds weird to me. "You'd better", yeah, that works. The "had" is contracted so often that you almost forget it's in there.

Oh yeah, there's also "You'd best", same thing as "You'd better". I don't know exactly how common that is, though.

[long whale]

Ah, that's what I was wondering about, yes. :)

[plush pelican]

"Hadn't you better" is a question, whereas "You'd better" is imperative, right? So theoretically "Hadn't you better" should be softer. But I think in practice we just skip to using another word instead, like, "Couldn't you/Wouldn't you/Shouldn't you"

[long gale]

Ursula: Nicht viel, denn es __ da ein Sonderangebot __.
complete using perfekt verbs are (geben , gehen , kostet, kaufen,machen) can someone tell me the verb I have no idea what verb fits here

[noble yacht]

Do you have any idea? This channel is usually not for solutions 😂

But this is the solution: ||geben||

[fervent kernel]

is "Ich gebe für ihm das Buch" correct or just "Ich gebe ihm das Buch"?

Ich gebe ihm das Buch

but is "Ich gebe für ihm das Buch" acceptable or is it just wrong?

[scenic drift]

methinks it's just wrong :P

like in english "I give him the book" vs "I give for him the book"?

[subtle comet]

I think es geht's is wrong because it repeats es

Like its okay it

[willow socket]

es geht's is wrong. 'Es geht' is what you will hear, normally.

[fervent kernel]

so how would you say "I give the book to him"?

[scenic drift]

give the book to whom?

[fervent kernel]

wait

ohhhh

nvm

[supple pawn]

Hi

[fervent kernel]

I mean "to him"

[scenic drift]

"Ich gebe ihm das Buch" :)

[fervent kernel]

got it

[subtle comet]

Why is german so closely linked to english

😶

[fervent kernel]

Because they are in the same language family

[subtle comet]

The germanic family

[fervent kernel]

The germanic branch of the indo european languages yes

[subtle comet]

Das ist nett

[spring socket]

ich habe eine zusätzliche Frage. ich weiß nicht, ob man ,,dieses Gebäude sieht nach einem wissenschaftlichen Forschungszentrum aus'' oder ,,dieses Gebäude sieht aus nach einem wissenschaftlichen Forschungszentrum'' sagen sollte, um den Vergleich korrekt auszudrücken

[ancient aspen]

1st one

[spring socket]

vielen dank, Diggalein

[ancient aspen]

Kein Problem haha

[oak copper]

Entschuldigung, Ich habe eine frage. Während Ich ein Buch las, sah ich einen Satz, der sagte
" Das dürfte wohl das Letzte gewesen sein " . Warum braucht dieser Satz das Wort sein ?

[willow socket]

also, der Satz so geschrieben, dass es sich auf die Vergangenheit bezieht.
'Das müsste ich gemacht haben' = 'I'm pretty sure I did that' (or something similar)
the past participle of sein is gewesen and the helping verb is 'sein'

they're using 'dürfte wohl' to express uncertainty/a Vermutung, and that is why you have 'gewesen sein' at the end as well.

[hollow arrow]

explain all

[stoic mauve]

See a listed FAQ with >faq [name]

:small_blue_diamond: absentive

Aliases: absentiv

:small_blue_diamond: Accusative

Aliases: Akkusativ

:small_blue_diamond: Adjective Declension

Aliases: adjective endings, Adjektivdeklination

:small_blue_diamond: Anki

Aliases: flashcards

:small_blue_diamond: beginner 2

‎

:small_blue_diamond: Beide vs. Beides

Aliases: Beides vs. Beide, Beides, Beide

:small_blue_diamond: Best way to learn German

Aliases: learn fast, learn German fast, learn efficiently, best way to learn, fastest way to learn, most efficient way to learn

:small_blue_diamond: birthdays

‎

:small_blue_diamond: Cases

Aliases: case, grammatical case

:small_blue_diamond: CEFR levels

Aliases: lvl, CEFR, cerf

:small_blue_diamond: conjugation

Aliases: praesens, präsens, present tense, verbs, verb conjugation, Konjugation

:small_blue_diamond: Contractions

Aliases: Verschmelzung, vom, Schmelzwort

:small_blue_diamond: DACH

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:small_blue_diamond: Dative

Aliases: Dativ

:small_blue_diamond: doch

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[fervent veldt]

Is "prima" used in everyday language often?

[wintry geode]

Not really

[kindred relic]

to childs conversations yes but not that often to adults

[long whale]

It's one of those words like "awesome", "brilliant" or "cool" - they go in and out of fashion. :)

Definitely not a word to use in an essay. :)

[subtle lynx]

Should we not use prima in essay?

[long whale]

Well... if it's used at all, it's usually used in spoken German. :)

[subtle comet]

Do I generally use machst du for are you doing (acc.)

[swift bough]

Yes but it’s still context dependent because there is also „tun“

[subtle comet]

For what kind of usage?

Possessive?

Stating something

Doing an action?

[swift bough]

It’s…context dependent. There isn’t really an overarching way to explain the difference. You learn to use what and when through experience.

[subtle comet]

Oh

Ill try to look into it

So there are dozens of scenarios to how it can be used?

If so

I will try to find out all the kinds of uses for it

[swift bough]

Yeah kinda

There are times where only one of them works at all

So you just sorta have to know

It’s not really super black-and-white

If it were then maybe I could tell you the rules of when to use what

[subtle comet]

Are there any general rules on when to use the phrase so that it would outline my usage on it?

[swift bough]

Don’t understand the question

[subtle comet]

Like general rules so I dont blantly use it accidentally

[charred harbor]

Den hab ich aber auch nur einmal gesehen in den zwei Wochen```

How can I learn when it’s appropriate to cut off the noun like this in the second sentence?

To me this is an extremely foreign concept, as an English speaker

[swift bough]

„Den“ is a colloquial way to say „ihn“ in this context

You get used to it, I am also native English

It’s just saying „him“, both den/ihn

[charred harbor]

Can you do this with any noun or?

[swift bough]

You can

[charred harbor]

Good to know Great to know, actually

[swift bough]

But in this particular case it has to be den because Chef is masculine

If it were feminine

Like die Chefin

You would use die/sie

[charred harbor]

Then die

Yeah

[swift bough]

But if you are writing something formal you wouldn’t use these more colloquial things

[charred harbor]

This message looks horrible without context

I think I understood, thanks ^^

[swift bough]

Or if you don’t know German

Np haha

[hollow grove]

Der alte Mann habt/hat viele Enkel.(which one is correct? "habt" or "hat"?)

[foggy prairie]

hat

Habt is like when you say "Ihr habt viele Enkel."

[hollow grove]

Answer key of my book says "habt". I don't understand.

[foggy prairie]

I am 100% certain that "habt" is wrong

[plain umbra]

Could just be a typo. It happens.

It's probably not the only one in the book.

[kindred relic]

soll/sollte ich duschen oder nicht duschen?

you better take a shower 😄

[autumn marsh]

difference is btw that with "soll" you ask if the other person orders you to do so, while with "sollte" you ask if it would be something you should do, like if it was good/useful to do

soll ich duschen? > do you tell me to shower?
sollte ich duschen? > would it be good to shower?

more or less like this

[kindred relic]

Eine Dusche haben means you own a shower cubicle

duschen is to take a shower

"es wäre besser zu duschen"

[autumn marsh]

you say it like this: "ich nehme besser eine Dusche" if you really have to use a noun, but we do rarely say it like that in german

you can also "take a bath" like that: "ein Bad nehmen"

[kindred relic]

yes and bath means also the room

ich nehme besser eine dusche*

[autumn marsh]

bist du Spanisch-Muttersprachler? 😄

1. "ich dusche besser"
2. wir steigern Adjektive immer so:

komperativ -> -er
superlativ -> -st

und dazu Endung entsprechend Fall/Geschlecht/Anzahl

also nicht wie im spanischen mit más + adjektiv

"dann ist 'ich dusche besser' normaler" you would say in this case

BUT we don't really use "normal" in that way, we use "üblich"

"dann ist 'ich dusche besser' üblicher?" > that's how you'd ask this

das wäre dann die üblichste Art das auszudrücken 😄

[kindred relic]

Ich werde mich an das Wort erinnern und dann werde ich es in meinem Deuschkurs sagen ( or erwähnen) und meine Lehrerin wird glücklich sein.

[autumn marsh]

klasse 😄 aber "gedenken" kannst du erstmal vergessen als Wort, das ist ziemlich altmodisch

like redone wrote, "erinnern" is the word you need

[kindred relic]

whoa ok wait

Nächste Woche werde ich dann sagen: "Ich habe mich an das Wort erinnert und es im Deutschkurs gesagt und meine Lehrerin ist glücklich gewesen"

[unreal mango]

(Oder einfach "meine Lehrerin war glücklich")

[kindred relic]

yes

[long whale]

No. As RedOne pointed out, word order ist wrong. After "und" you get another main clause -> verb has to be in 2nd position.

"Ich habe mich an das Wort erinnert und [ich habe] es im Deutschkurs gesagt

That's correct. Think of "und" being in Pos.0, while "dann" is Pos.1 :)

Yes.

nachher/afterwards, später/later - ?

[fervent kernel]

is Das Gleiche gilt für dich! used often?

for Same to you / Same goes for you!

[kindred relic]

no its not very common but its not wrong! ... you can use "Gleichfalls" or "für dich auch" - depends on context

[fervent kernel]

Like if someone said "have a great day" and i want to say "same to you" what would be the best way to answer?

[terse violet]

Gleichfalls, Ebenfalls. @fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

thank you

[kindred relic]

yes or "Das wünsche ich Dir/Ihnen auch!" @fervent kernel

[fervent veldt]

morgens vs vormittags?

[autumn marsh]

was ist deine Frage?

wie man die Worte definiert?

ich würde sagen, dass die ein wenig ineinander übergehen... das ist nicht ganz trennscharf. ich würde es persönlich so benutzen:

morgens = bis 09:00
vormittags = von 09:00 bis 12:00

[kindred relic]

Tageszeiten im Winter:
Uhrzeit morgens - 6 bis 10 Uhr. Uhrzeit vormittags - 10 bis 12 Uhr. Uhrzeit mittags - 12 bis 14 Uhr.

[gleaming sedge]

Es gibt andere Tageszeiten? 😮

[kindred relic]

Tageszeiten im Sommer:
Uhrzeit morgens - 7 bis 11 Uhr. Uhrzeit vormittags - 11 bis 13 Uhr. Uhrzeit mittags - 13 bis 15 Uhr. Uhrzeit nachmittags - 15 bis 18 Uhr.

[gleaming sedge]

[kindred relic]

this is official ... but we only use winterzeit in this case

[autumn marsh]

wasn dat fürn blödfug 😄 wer hat sich das denn ausgedacht ... macht doch überhaupt keinen Sinn etwas "vormittags" zu nennen wenn es sich dann zieht bis nach dem Mittag?

also manchmal glaube ich, unsere Behörden sind vollends verblödet :>

[kindred relic]

ich hab es auch nur von google, das sind aber die offiziellen zeiten tatsächlich

[autumn marsh]

aber interessant, ich wusste nicht mal, dass es da eine offizielle Definition gibt

danke dafür!

[kindred relic]

gerne

[swift bough]

Macht mMn auch null Sinn, ich denke die meisten benutzen es auch nicht so, trotz dieser „oFiziELleN“ Bedeutung

Denn „Mittag“ heißt auch ‚offiziell’ 12 Uhr, nicht?

Ich dachte vormittags wäre 10 bis 12

[autumn marsh]

haha

ja ... seltsame sache, das

[kindred relic]

ja das ist in der winter edition auch so geregelt, aber in der sommerzeit ist es eben anders geregelt "OooFFiiIZzzIIIellllL"

[swift bough]

Weird

[spring socket]

kann man ,,Unglückwunsch'' sagen, ohne komisch zu klingen?

[kindred relic]

no, thats no word in german but its funny

there is unglück and glückwunsch but theres no unglückwunsch

[spring socket]

O, wie schade. Danks dir

[kindred relic]

wo würdest du es denn gerne verwenden wollen?

this is so funny, i ask myself the whole time how to use unglückwunsch in a sentence

[long whale]

I agree, I would also love to know when you'd have wanted to use that.

Maybe it would work as a curse? "Unglückwunsch!" instead of "Ich wünsche dir die Pest an den Hals!" 🤔

[kindred relic]

that would be fun

[spring socket]

When someone you don't like is working on some kind of project and you don't want them to do well, maybe :p

[kindred relic]

well thats funny 😄 you made a new word creation

i love it

[tidal tangle]

Question: If, let's say, I almost tripped over a banana peel and thought to myself, 'you really ought to be more careful', would the 'you' be translated as 'man' auf Deutsch? Or 'du'?

or in other words: can you use 'man' while talking to yourself in German? Or would you use a different pronoun?

[plain umbra]

It would be "du". Since you're not giving some broad/general advice, but specifically talking to one person (yourself). I'm not a native speaker so I could be wrong, but that's the only thing that makes sense to me based on what these words mean.

[cobalt idol]

you can either use ''Man sollte echt mehr aufpassen'' or ''Du solltest echt mehr aufpassen'' but the best would be if u use 'ich' so you just say ''Ich sollte echt mehr aufpassen''

[fervent kernel]

What is the difference between unterschiedlich and verschiedenen?

[hoary cobalt]

unterschieden und verschieden kann man meistens beide benutzen.

[kindred relic]

verschieden also means passed away 😄

[fast sable]

What’s the difference between älteste and am ältesten ?

[long whale]

"älteste" can be used as an adjective before a noun: Helene ist die älteste [Schwester] (H. is the oldest [sister]), while "am ältesten" can not: Helene ist am ältesten (H. is the oldest) Does that help?

@fast sable

[fast sable]

Ohh! I wasn’t really sure what it meant before, but I do now! Thanks!:)

[lucid sluice]

Is it acceptable to say: wegen ihm?

[spring socket]

Zehntausende Menschen seien vom Schweizer Staat entrechtet worden.
Ihre Qual dürfe nicht vergessen werden.

I'm interested in the use of Konjunktiv 1 in the second line. I thought you used that for reported speech, fact-based things, and impartiality. How are they (Deutsche Welle) impartially saying "their pain must not be forgotten"? 🤨

[delicate tiger]

someone else is claiming that it shouldn't be forgotten

[long whale]

Depends a little on the context and who you're saying it to, but the usual would be "seinetwegen" (Because of him, I missed the bus -> Seinetwegen habe ich den Bus verpasst)

[lucid sluice]

So how do the personal pronouns work with the genitiv in writing? With statt, and während

Do we just use the dativ?

[spring socket]

that makes sense, thanks!

[long whale]

Again, I wish you'd just provide an example of what you're trying to say. Which pronoun, what context? Those questions simply leave me floundering. :)

[lucid sluice]

Wegen uns, gehen wir nicht ins Kino for example

[long whale]

I mean, for both statt and während, there is the option of simply adding -dessen: währenddessen = during this [aforementioned thing], stattdessen = instead

[long whale]

We aren't going to the cinema for our sake? Does that make much sense in English?

[lucid sluice]

Nope but I couldn’t come up with a better example

[long whale]

Well... Meinetwegen/Unseretwegen brauchst du nicht ins Kino zu gehen would work (You don't have to go to the cincema for my/our sake). How about that?

[lucid sluice]

Okay thank you

[carmine nova]

Hallo Leute. Vor 4 Tagen habe ich an der Goethe-C1-Sprachdiplom Prüfung teilgenommen. Ich werde das Sprachdiplom wahrscheinlich und hoffentlich bekommen. Aber bei der Prüfung habe ich mich mit einer Frage lange beschaeftigt. Es gab zwei Wörter, die aufeinander folgen und in englisch '' break one's word'' bedeuten. Erstes Wort war versprechen. Versprechen ......

Welches Verb benutzt man mit Versprechen, sodass die beide ''seine Wort brechen'' bedeuten?

[long whale]

ein Versprechen nicht halten?

@carmine nova

[carmine nova]

hmm

Dann es war die Antwort höchstwahrscheinlich

Vielen Dank

[wooden laurel]

Er sitzt den ganzen Tag in seinem Zimmer. why is den ganzen Tag akkusativ?

[carmine nova]

Da es sich hier um einen Akkusativ der Zeitstrecke auf die Frage '' wie lange'' handelt.

Es geht um das Thema '' der adverbiale Akkusativ''

Der adverbiale Akkusativ
Der adverbiale Akkusativ (auch Adverbialakkusativ) bezeichnet eine Zeitdauer (Beispiele 1 und 2) oder Strecke (Beispiele 3 und 4) und kann nicht durch ein Pronomen ersetzt werden. Er wird nicht vom Verb verlangt und kann also auch bei Verben stehen, die keine Ergänzung im Akkusativ haben (2). Bei der Umwandlung eines Aktivsatzes (3) in einen Passivsatz (4) bleibt er erhalten.

Beispiele:

Sie besucht ihn jeden Monat. (1)
Sie hat den ganzen Tag geschlafen. (2)
Er hat den Hund den ganzen Weg getragen. (3)
Der Hund wurde den ganzen Weg getragen. (4)

[wooden laurel]

vielen Dank

[outer zealot]

hi, I've been having trouble understanding as when to use the präteritum form. I'm nowhere near the level to start using sources other than my textbook and the internet's got some mixed opinions on this.... or at least I don't really trust my googling skills xdd

my question then is: In what situation do I use präteritum in comparison to perfektum (either fields like 'stories/tales', written form, spoken form... or even certain situations like letters, speaking to a friend, speaking to a stranger....)

[coarse sparrow]

n the sentence

"je weniger ich mich aber geneigt finden konnte, diese mir anzuneigen, desto mehr gewahre ich dagegen andererseits die Neigung, mit dem Namen Musikdrama ein neues Kunstgenre zu bestimmen, welches, sehr vermutlich auch ohne meinen Vorgang, als einfach der Stimmung und den Anforderungen der Zeit und ihren Tendenzen entsprechend, sich notwendig herausbilden musste, und nur für Jeden, etwa als bequems Nest zu Ausbrüten seiner musikalischen Eier, bereit liege"

I want to know,

1. meaning of "diese mir anzuneigen"
2. what "gewahre" means in this sentence

[scenic drift]

basically, perfect for speaking, preterite for writing. there's some exceptions (e.g. sein and modal verbs tend to be in the preterite even when speaking) but that's a good rule of thumb :)

[outer zealot]

so when writing a personal diary (talking in first person) präteritum is better?

[scenic drift]

i would say so, yes

[outer zealot]

kk, thx

[scenic drift]

besichtigen is like to visit a place

[fervent kernel]

To add, Präteritum is often used in non literary texts when the action is finalized and has no important relation to the present, Perfekt is the past with relation to the present.

In literary texts, especially in novels Präteritum is used to describe the present inside of the story (narrator tense). If you wanted to express the past you'd use plusquamperfekt

Most often you will hear perfekt in the spoken language apart from verbs like sein and modal verbs like mikey pointed out

[solid hull]

es hängt vom Kontext ab, aber ja
doch "meinen" im Sinne von "bedeuten" ist veraltet, außer in einigen Regionen der deutschsprachigen Welt

[fervent kernel]

What is common dialect in German ?

[fervent kernel]

Hochdeutsch

[solid hull]

kannst du mal ein Beispiel nennen? also von dem "Präteritum is often used in non literary texts when the action is finalized and has no important relation to the present"

[hollow oak]

Wieso ist meinen veraltet?

[solid hull]

so wird das Wort im Duden aufgelistet und in anderen Wörterbüchern

[fervent kernel]

In einer Autobiographie schreibt man eher "Ich studierte in München Germanistik"
In einer Bewerbung schreibt man eher "Ich habe in München Germanistik studiert" da der Bezug zur Gegenwart wichtig ist

[solid hull]

Ja aber eine Autobiographie gehört zur literarischen Sprache, ne? was wäre denn ein nicht literarischer Kontext in dem man das Präteritum für vergangene Handlungen verwenden könnte die keine Verbindung mit der Gegenwart haben bzw schon abgeschlossen sind?

[kindred relic]

no

vermieten= you are the owner and receive the money / mieten= you rent it and have to pay for it

[fervent kernel]

Zum Beispiel bei Sachtexten wie Berichten, Zeitungsartikeln, etc.

[solid hull]

also kann das nur in der schriftlichen Sprache auftauchen

Interessant. Ich weiß, dass es ja modal gesehen keinen Unterschied gibt zwischen dem Perfekt und dem Präteritum

[fervent kernel]

In der gesprochenen Sprache kommt es auch vor aber nicht so oft wie das Perfekt (abgesehen von sein und modal verben)

[solid hull]

ja es kommt aufs Verb an

[wooden laurel]

how do i make sense of this sentence
Die Schlacht um Berlin steht demnach durchaus günstig.

[scenic drift]

what bit don't you understand?

[long whale]

Check for typos in anzuneigen, then check dictionary. :D

[wooden laurel]

the battel in berlin .. cheap?

[coarse sparrow]

oh wait yes that was anzueignen thanks

[wooden laurel]

what does durchaus günstig mean here?

[warped iris]

It means quite favorible 🙂

[scenic drift]

i think it'd need more context to say what it's best translated to.

likely something like favorable / well-placed / promising.

[warped iris]

However I'm not certain in this context

[wooden laurel]

so günstig doesnt mean only cheap

it was an example sentence for Schlacht

[scenic drift]

yeah, i just found the wiktionary page, the reference is a book

there are many meanings for günstig.

billig is more informal / colloquial

[spiral agate]

Hello tomorrow i have a german exam and I need help

[scenic drift]

what do you need help with?

[spiral agate]

The whole exam

Is there any way i can send a picture?

[scenic drift]

not for another 15 mins or so if you're freshly joined

that being said, please read this:

faq homework

[stoic mauve]

How to ask a question

If you want something corrected, you can put it in a Google Doc and share a link with permission level »can suggest« in #writing .

Don't ask us to translate something for you outright: that takes professional time and effort and we're not here for that. You can try your luck with deepl.com.
For single words, use dict.cc or another dictionary, it'll be quicker.

If you want to know if/how a word can be used, provide some context to help us understand the situation.

Don't ask us to do your homework or exams for you! Show us your best attempt at something and try to pinpoint what exactly you don't understand.

[scenic drift]

we don't help with doing your exam for you, basically

because that's cheating

[spiral agate]

Ok onto another discord i gooooooooo!!!!😂😂😂😂

[red smelt]

gl

[scenic drift]

charming.

oh where'd that previous message go

i suspect "leigt in" is a typo for liegen? :P

[red smelt]

no

its liegt in

[scenic drift]

that's what i'm saying 😆

[red smelt]

oh

[scenic drift]

liegen -> liegt (you originally posted leigt, hence typo?)

anyway, "liegt in" = "lies in"

[red smelt]

yes

ok danke

[clever crescent]

Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein

[wooden laurel]

thank you

[wary river]

Can anyone recommend good German language course in Germany?

[scenic drift]

depends on what you want and how much money you have 😉 i liked the courses i did at a VHS

• they were fairly cheap

[wary river]

I'm thinking to go Berlin TU for bachelors on Maschinenbauingenieur. I have the english level ready but my constultants say the probability that uni will accept a student on his english language is lower than german language knowlege because more of the courses are in german for bachelors

So it is for UNI mostly

C1-C2

[scenic drift]

is the bachelors taught in english or in german?

[wary river]

masters are mostly english from what i heard

[scenic drift]

sorry, typo

the course you're applying to, english or german

[wary river]

Well there are more students applying for english courses than german courses but there are lesser english courses so it is harder to get in english course

So I'm thinking applying to german

one

[scenic drift]

is it an NC course?

[wary river]

surely

[wary river]

Yeah I have C2 certificate aswell but going for C1-C2 on german to increase the appliance rate for myself, it is good tho that they have masters in english

They also have only english in Utrecht Computer Science aswell

for masters

good luck !

[fathom roost]

There’s a word that i’ve heard my aunt say but when i search for it nothing comes up. So i think i’m spelling it wrong. I’ll spell it now, how it sounds in a sentence.
“Heavy Metal Musik ist echt kravalig”

Meaning something like loud, clanky, maybe even off-putting.

[hollow oak]

Yes i think kravalig does not realy exist but the word Krawall does. so kravalig is just a inventet word wich is not offialy recognised.

[delicate tiger]

"der Krawall"; "kraval" still doesn't exist

[hollow oak]

Yes ok my Bad its a Spelling mistake

[fathom roost]

I see, i guess it’s a slang word or colloquial. Krawallig. It’s not used that often in day to day speech.

thanks

[near folio]

mach mal >ex gender patterns in #botchannel

man kann oft mit der Endung des Worts das Geschlecht erkennen

[slim yew]

im seriously pissed on whether the word order is upside down or not

its like flipping a coin

[swift bough]

No, the only correct way is the one duolingo gave.

It’s not because it’s „flipped“

Verb must be in the second position

Unless of course it’s a question; then it’s the First Position.

[cerulean cliff]

Verb always comes in second

It's hard at first, but you'll get the hang of it

[swift bough]

You know what’s kinda weird is I myself never really at all remember learning this rule while still being a beginner. I remember learning it from someone here after already just knowing what felt right based on how much experience I‘d had. Maybe I did learn it at one point but I think it mostly was something I learned without even knowing the rule just because of tons of repetition

[spiral agate]

Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein
Und das heißt
Erika

[whole portal]

Im Kanal da schreibt jakim03

Und die Frage lautet

Wie?

[subtle jacinth]

Guten tag

[long whale]

I guess they're trying to get us to call the mods. 🤷

[brisk canopy]

Would any of you happen to know where I can find a German pronunciation guide which:

1. Uses the IPA to guide you and does not rely solely on comparisons to similar sounds in English
2. When possible, specifies where certain sounds occur in the language. In other words, for example, I want the guide not just to tell me that ü can be pronounced as /y/, but also where it is pronounced as /y/ and not /Y/

A lot of guides on Google aren’t very precise. I’ve learned to get close enough to most sounds to be understandable, but I’d like something to help me fine tune, and stuff like “the a in Hand is like the u in English but” is not very helpful at this point.

[scenic drift]

would it not be more effective to listen to recordings of words?

[long whale]

I agree with mikey - or rather, if I were you, I'd get an audiobook with the printed copy, and have it read to me. You could also try dw.com - they read the news (for learners) and there's a script as well. German pronunciation is very regular (at least compared to English), and I think that would be a really good way to get the hang of it. For me, it worked quite well with Polish (which is also rather regular) when I couldn't be bothered to learn all the special letters separately. :)

[brisk canopy]

Yeah I guess you’re right. Thanks

[delicate tiger]

"Es gibt"

[delicate tiger]

*Muttersprachler

[wild gazelle]

1. Here is a rough informal summary of the IPA of Standard German https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Standard_German
   You can of course look at dictionaries (specifically German - English ones) that have an IPA listed. Sometimes, Duden would have the IPA but only for common words or stems.
2. I once found a website about a year ago that did have what you are looking for, but I can now no longer find it. I did use it for my personal summary. For your example specifically, (unless I am wrong) ü is generally pronounced /y/ when it is long and /Y/ when it is short. Whether a vowel is long or short generally depends on whether it is followed by an h or two consonants or sometimes if it is doubled itself.

Of course, as mikey and Susana said, you should also listen to audio recordings since any summary online is not going to cover all the exceptions and nuances of the language.

[night dagger]

can just say "vielen Dank", "ich danke dir", "danke", etc.

idk, tbh it seems like a fixed phrase to me tho

some things just are the way the are

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-in-German-vielen-Dank-and-not-viele-Dank#:~:text=ate too much”.-,In “vielen Dank”%2C the translation of viel is much,doesn't have a plural.&text=Dank is a masculine noun and%2C as can be seen,%2FIhnen the indirect object).

there's your answer

[worldly portal]

Viel is an adjective no? So it becomes vielen due to accusative and Dank being masculine

[night dagger]

yup

[worldly portal]

Should have checked your link first sorry 😅

[delicate tiger]

*gefunden

[night dagger]

what are you trying to say?

[lucid sluice]

He‘s trying to say there’s not a lot of native german speakers

[night dagger]

es gibt hier nicht viele deutsche Muttersprachler?

[lucid sluice]

It’s fine

[night dagger]

the best advice i can give is to watch this video (https://youtu.be/UgRDUCnH2Ps) while following along with your own chart. after that, test yourself multiple times a week until you make 0 mistakes

@fervent kernel ^

https://www.nthuleen.com/teach/grammar/adjektivendungenexpl.html
there's also this handout; i prefer the chart approach tho.

i.e.

gibt = akkusativ

this is incorrect.

[lucid sluice]

Muttersprachler is plural

[night dagger]

you're forgetting Muttersprachler is both plural and singular

in the context you're using "Muttersprachler", it is plural

as i said, watch the video, follow along and i'm sure you will have less difficulty understanding this topic :)

gibt is akkusativ

so try again

genau

the only situation where you might identify an anomale in this logic is with Fragepronomen

(to my knowledge)

k, never mind about that then lol

[shut briar]

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen es geht über und es geht um

[slim yew]

||
ye idk what you are even asking||

[magic cradle]

When you say: "You can completely rely on me"

"Du kann da absolut an mich verlassen." (I believe thats what the dialogue said)

Does it directly translate to "You can leave it to me"? Bc from what I gather, "verlassen" means to leave/adandon, right?

[oblique otter]

Uh You say "Du kannst dich auf mich verlassen" its like I Take the Job or the Job is safe in my Hands so u Know what I Try to say ^^

[autumn marsh]

Das ist nicht so leicht zu erklären, ich würde sagen: das sind Synonyme, nur die Art wie man den Satz drum herum konstruiert unterscheidet sich:

"Das Buch geht über einen Mann."
"Im Buch geht es um einen Mann."

beides bedeutet: Das Buch handelt von einem Mann [the book is about a man]

[shut briar]

"Nicht so leicht zu erklären"
Erklärt es so schön

[lilac hornet]

Ich sehe aber keine Treffer für "es geht über..." im Sinne von "es geht um...". Könntest du ein Beispiel verlinken?
https://context.reverso.net/translation/german-english/Es+geht+über
https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/es+geht+über?bidir=1
https://www.linguee.de/deutsch-englisch/uebersetzung/es+geht+über.html

[mortal stirrup]

maybe dumb question but does “ja, ne?” work as the english “yea, right?

[fallen galleon]

yes.

[long whale]

"es geht über" is either a regional variant, or it's "Denglish". In Standard German, it's "es geht um..." :)

@lilac hornet

[shut briar]

Then worüber geht das is also like that, regional or denglish?

[long whale]

Yes. It would be "Worum geht es?" or "Um was geht es?" :)

[stark anchor]

Hello guys i have a question. Is it wrong to say "Der Kuchen wird gebacken." ? If it is wrong why?

[vague sail]

Der Kuchen wird gebacken. Is right. But you can also say ,,Der Kuchen wird gerade gebacken"

[opaque stone]

What's the difference between Deutsch, Deutsche, Deutschen and Deutscher I wanna clarify

[stark anchor]

So its for present tense right? what if i say "Die Kuchen ist gebacken" without using the werden like instead of saying "Der Kuchen wurde gebacken"? Is it also correct?

[vague sail]

Yes it is the present tense. When you want to say ,,The cakes were baked" You need to say ,,Die Kuchen wurden gebacken" Because ,,Die Kuchen ist gebacken" is not correct.

[opaque stone]

hallo, may i ask what's the difference between Deutsch, Deutsche, Deutschen and Deutscher I wanna clarify

[stark anchor]

thanks!

[vague sail]

"Die Kuchen ist gebacken" is only correct if you say "Die Kuchen sind gebacken"

[vague sail]

Yes, wait a second.

[opaque stone]

ok

[vague sail]

Deutsch means the language itself. Translated into English, "german"
Deutsche means "Germans" an example: We are germans. ,,Wir sind Deutsche"
Deutschen is really hard to explain... I am trying. "Where does the word kindergarten come from" and a German would then answer, "Aus dem Deutschen" This means, "The word kindergarten comes from the German language"
And Deutscher means ,,I'm german" ,,Ich bin Deutscher"

@opaque stone

[opaque stone]

Danke schön!

[vague sail]

Bitte

[fervent veldt]

Gibt es einen Unterschied_

[hollow oak]

Ja also es ist schwer zu erklären aber mindestens würdest du Zum beispiel sagen wenn : " um battelfield 2042 zu spielen brauche ich mindestens einen Ryzen 5 5600" wärend du wenigstens Zum beispiel so verwendest: " wenigstens ist Bildung in Deutschland um sonst." Oder " wenigstens hat der PC eine gute Grafikkarte". Verstanden?

[quartz sundial]

can someone explain me Wechsel Präposition
its a homework
by my school
but im not getting it

[fervent kernel]

Could you be a bit more specific please?

Or give me an example of what the homework wants from you?

[lone chasm]

How is sorry in german ?

[fervent kernel]

Entschuldigung

[lone chasm]

thanks

[proven sphinx]

It can also be "Tut mir leid" if you mean "I'm sorry".

[lone chasm]

Double thanks!

[proven sphinx]

Entschuldigung = as in "excuse me"
Tut mir leid = as in "I'm sorry."

Don't confuse those two or it will sound very odd to a native speaker.

[lone chasm]

ok

[proven sphinx]

If you want to ask someone something, use "Entschuldigung" or even "Entschuldigen Sie".

If you're genuinely apologizing or you feel sorry for someone, use "Tut mir leid".

If you're just running through a crowd of people, then both work, really. "Tut mir leid" is better if you stepped on someone's foot or something, but "Entschuldigung" also works.

[long whale]

You still there? Want me to try and explain?

[lone chasm]

if somebody sneezes how to say bless you in german ?

[proven sphinx]

Gesundheit

[quartz sundial]

yea sure

[proven sphinx]

"Gesundheit" is also used in American English, which I've always found very amusing. Only in the sense of "bless you", though. Most people use it there without knowing it means "health" or maybe without even knowing it's a German word. 😂

[lone chasm]

yeah i used this to figure it out

[long whale]

Okay, so, usually, it's 1 Präposition, 1 case. For example, "mit" always requires Dativ. Wechselpräpositionen are different. They can appear with either Akkusativ or Dativ. What it depends on is whether there is movement towards somewhere (-> Akkusativ). Or not, in which case it's Dativ. Example: Ich gehe in den Supermarkt (I'm going into the supermarket -> Akkusativ). vs. Ich bin in dem (im) Supermarkt (Dativ). Now tell me what it is you don't understand, okay?

[lone chasm]

https://www.deepl.com/en/translator#en/de/Gesundheit

[proven sphinx]

Did you think I was messing with you or what? 😂

[lone chasm]

no

[proven sphinx]

You just didn't know what it actually meant, I guess?

It means "health". Die Gesundheit.

[lone chasm]

just a security measure

bah. my german is less than a1. in my school they taught it to my class but i didn,t remember a thing

so yeah. trying on my own to learn it.

[proven sphinx]

Good luck with that. It certainly requires some motivation to get through it, especially at the beginning.

[lone chasm]

yeah. pretty much.

But i already made my mind. I,m going to Germany in the future. But first i must learn German. By any means necessary!

[fervent kernel]

Where are you living rn Kalen?

[lone chasm]

Bulgaria.

i already know English thanks to the fact that i studied it well for 9 years.

[fervent kernel]

So I guess you are older than 18?

[lone chasm]

i,m 18 year old.

from 18 above so yea. i,m 18 year old

[fervent kernel]

Yup, that's what I meant

hello

[lone chasm]

hello!

[lone chasm]

how is coffee cup in german?

Does Kaffeetasse work ?

[fervent kernel]

Yesss

[lone chasm]

ok

Nevermind in german ?

[fervent kernel]

Vergiss es

[lone chasm]

thanks

what does zuruck mean?

[proven sphinx]

It's written as "zurück" and it means "back".

[fervent kernel]

or behind

[proven sphinx]

Gib mir das zurück! = Give it back to me!

[proven sphinx]

What. Like in what kind of sentence?

Ahhhh...

Like in "go back", which means "Geh zurück". All right.

[fervent kernel]

Yes, or as in "left-behind"

[proven sphinx]

Yep, that too.

[lone chasm]

zurückgelassen this is for left behind ? does it work ?

[proven sphinx]

Yep.

Er wurde zurückgelassen. = He was left behind.

[lone chasm]

how is joke in german ?

[fervent kernel]

Witz

[lone chasm]

well does this work then: mein deutsch ist ein witz?

[swift bough]

I know this isn’t an English learning server but just so you know…it’s not „how“, it’s what* (what is joke in German)

I‘m pretty certain you can say it like that tho

„Mein Deutsch ist ein Witz“ I mean

[lone chasm]

Yeah. pretty much. its a joke.

No wonder i,m working on solving the problem.

one day either way i will speak the way you do.

[swift bough]

It just takes time @lone chasm learning a language is no overnight process

[lone chasm]

Yeah i know. Right now i have written a good amount of words in my notebook. Now i must process those words. Interestingly when i listened to some of the conversations. Some people especially men. Had a very sophisticated accent. It felt fancy. Advanced.

Others speak very fast.

it's still good to listen though so i can get a deeper look in the way they speak.

[lone chasm]

How to say sophisticated in German?

[lucid sluice]

For one word translations just consult a dictionary

[lone chasm]

anspruchsvoll well is that sophisticated in German?

[fervent kernel]

Yeah

[lucid sluice]

Holy shit there’s a lot of words for sophisticated

Though some of these don’t make sense imo

[lone chasm]

wow

[fervent kernel]

Tbh this is the first time I've heard the word sophisticated

[thorn pelican]

double check usage in a monolingual dictionary

as sophisticated can mean complex, socially refined, fancy, elegant etc etc

check the definition to see if it matches your intended meaning

so anspruchsvoll does mean sophisticated but in the sense of a sopbisticated text or a sophisticated guest

[toxic mango]

@thorn pelican ar you a brony