questions-2

[inner silo]

yea, that's my thought aswell

could you say a sentence Mario says?

[tender panther]

Sure, one moment

[inner silo]

I meant the one talking strange

One of these sentences

[tender panther]

English: "Master Mario! Have you heard the latest news?"
German: "Meister Mario! Hat er die aktuellen Nachrichten vernommen?"

[inner silo]

wat

strange

[scenic drift]

i can only assume it's doing a "narration" style then

[strong bridge]

I'd just disregard it tbh I mean

that's just weird

I'd assume narration if it wasn't a question

[inner silo]

I mean

I think you could say it like this

[long whale]

This was customary about 200 years ago.

[inner silo]

but its strange

[tender panther]

Toadsworth must be ancient then

[long whale]

It's called "erzen", and it's often used in films and books about the past. Supposed to give "colour", sort of. 🤷

[inner silo]

so I was right

[scenic drift]

damn, TIL. thanks susana.

[strong bridge]

Very interesting

[inner silo]

what was spoken back then again, mittelhochdeutsch?

[tender panther]

If Mario was a girl would erzen still be a thing, or would you use feminine sie?

[inner silo]

Probably sie

[long whale]

"Susana, hat Sie schon Kaffee getrunken?" - "Nein."

[scenic drift]

wikipedia has a short entry about it that i'm finding useful: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronominale_Anredeform#Anrede_mit_Er_bzw._Sie

[long whale]

It ought to be capitalized, btw: "Meister Mario! Hat Er die aktuellen Nachrichten..."

(at least as far as I can remember)

[tender panther]

yeah that was throwing me off, I've heard of erzen believe it or not but I assumed it would be capitalized if so

[long whale]

Yeah, some nitwit not thinking, or thinking it wasn't important. 🤷

[tender panther]

well glad that mystery is solved

thanks everyone

[brazen dawn]

Hey, can someone help me with a test that i have on Monday next week? It would really help me out if someone helped me because my current grade for german is a 4,0 on avarage that's basically an F

[inner silo]

what do you need help with?

[scenic drift]

faq homework

[stoic mauve]

How to ask a question

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[vagrant tulip]

Guys is this sentence correct: Anna soll mir ihr Bruder zu Kino gehen.

[scenic drift]

• mit ihrem Bruder

i think also "zum" or "ins" Kino but i'm not sure which suits better

[inner silo]

Nobody:
Mikey correcting sentences:
I am speed

[vagrant tulip]

Anna soll mir ihren Bruder ins Kino gehen.

ez

so much grammar in deutsch

[vagrant tulip]

XD

[scenic drift]

that's not the correction i made

[vagrant tulip]

Anna soll mit ihrem Bruder ins Kino gehen.

omg

[inner silo]

hahaha

[vagrant tulip]

fam i am brainlagging

[inner silo]

understandable

[inner silo]

german is like so strange

[patent niche]

german is so beautifully accurate

[slim yew]

i dont see der Mann

[scenic drift]

"Der Schweizer" is a swiss man. "the swiss" alone doesn't work in english/

[slim yew]

i thogut the swiss meams the entire population of switzerland

[scenic drift]

in general yes, in this context no

because "hat" means 3rd person singular

[slim yew]

if it means the entire population it must use "haben" ?

[patent niche]

right

If the entire population owns one cow: "Die Schweizer haben eine Kuh"

[scenic drift]

it would also be "Die Schweizer" there, not "der"

aha Butterstuhl got there first

[patent niche]

You´re welcome 😘

[finite sparrow]

why dont you study your lesson?

[summer crystal]

Vielen Dank!

[onyx rain]

Hallo in diese Satz, warum ist "ich" und "meine" zusammen?
Können sie bitte in Englisch eklären?

[heavy stratus]

Meine is the verb. Like saying 'I mean'

[patent niche]

ich meine trasnlates to I think or i mean

[onyx rain]

oh

I read it as I mine

[patent niche]

it is the same word

[onyx rain]

Sorry and vielen dank!

[patent niche]

but the meaning is different here

[onyx rain]

I get it now, thank you

[dim fjord]

Hallo, ich würde gern wissen, was der Unterschied zwischen raten und erraten ist? und können sie Beispielsatz geben ?

[patent niche]

raten wie give advice aber auch raten wie guess

erraten wie you guessed correctly

Ich kann dir nur raten, nicht von der Brücke zu springen. (give advice)

Ich weiß nicht was los ist, aber wenn ich raten müsste, würde ich sagen, du willst von der Brücke Springen. (guess)

Ich habe erraten was du vor hast. (guessed correctly)

[fervent kernel]

könnte man auch "erraten" durch "richtig raten" ersetzen?

[patent niche]

man kann anstatt erraten auch richtig raten oder richtig geraten sagen. Je nach kontext.

[fervent kernel]

cool, danke

[patent niche]

https://tenor.com/view/bow-bowing-michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-gif-5632990

[dim fjord]

I got it. Thank you

[slim yew]

i remember messing up heiße (hot with adj. ending) and heiße (name)

[hollow frigate]

Hallo zusammen

[inner silo]

Hallo!

[dim quiver]

Hey, can someone help me break down the grammar of a short text that's in german? It's 250 words

Here's the text https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DPWNs__83xsdSNVkipauHzWN8anN_DSgsvweKq6yFWk/edit?usp=sharing

If it's too long, just one paragraph would help me understand a lot

[fervent kernel]

wdym by breakdown the grammar?

[dim quiver]

Like explain the thought process behind

It's the last paragraph i find the most confusing

and maybe the last half of the third

[fervent kernel]

thats a bit vague.. like what exactly dont you get?

did you write the text yourself?

Dies gilt nicht nur für Abkürzungen, sondern auch für alltägliche Wörter, die mündlich verwendet werden, selbst in Ländern, in denen nicht unbedingt Englisch gesprochen wird.
is it this line? cauuse its a long-ass sentence before the fullstop

[dim quiver]

Yes, especially that one

[fervent kernel]

-Dies gilt (nicht) nur für Abkürzungen.
-Dies gilt (auch) für alltägliche Wörter.
-die Abkürzungen und alltägliche Wörter werden mündlich verwendet.
-Diese Abkürzungen und alltägliche Wörter werden in vielen Ländern verwendet. Auch in den Ländern, wo Englisch nicht die Hauptsprache ist.

you can kinda break them down into these 4-5 sentences

and then its just a matter of writing it more efficiently using pronouns and conjunctions

-Dies gilt (nicht) nur für Abkürzungen.
-Dies gilt (auch) für alltägliche Wörter.
-->
Dies gilt nicht nur für Abkürzungen, sondern auch für alltägliche Wörter

"nicht nur .. sondern auch" is a fixed phrase you can use to join 2 sentences into one

[long whale]

nicht nur... sondern auch ;) @fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

yes thanks i missed that :P

die mündlich verwendet werden
the 'die' here is a relative pronoun refering to both the Abkürzungen as well as the Wörter

[dim quiver]

why is it die sozialen medien and not sozial medien or something like that

[long whale]

"sozial" is an adjective, therefore, it needs to be declined. Please note that you cannot put 2 nouns next to each other in German, they'd need to be joined (compound noun) or hyphenated. :)

@dim quiver

[dim quiver]

what does declined mean?

[long whale]

The ending needs to change according to gender, case and singular/plural. If you haven't learnt about the German case system yet, don't worry about it. :)

@dim quiver

[dim quiver]

i have, it's nominative right?

[long whale]

"die sozialen Medien" is either Nominativ plural or Akkusativ plural, yes.

[dim quiver]

that's what i don't understand

there's nothing for that

[long whale]

BTW, this is where capitalization comes in handy - it shows you that "Medien" is a noun (capitalized), while "sozial/en" is an adjective.

[fervent kernel]

do you have another table for "bestimmte Artikel" ?

[long whale]

No, there can't be, because in plural, there is no indefinite article in German.

[fervent kernel]

ah no that doesnt matter

these are adjective declensions

[dim quiver]

So i don't really understand how to know what to end sozial with

[long whale]

There is a faq for adjective declension, I think...

faq Adejektivdeklination

[stoic mauve]

FAQ not found. I found the following similar entries: Adjektivdeklination, N-Deklination.

[dim quiver]

faq Adjektivdeklination

[stoic mauve]

Adjective Declension

A Brief Guide to Memorizing German Noun and Adjective Declension by Basementality
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jWl5-kkqF3FQLDzrz8XLBJj7hvPFQK7MT5SYEDGK65E/edit

[long whale]

Yup, typo. There you go. :)

[dim quiver]

Ok thank you

Okay cool i understand now

Thanks

[shell pecan]

Tausend PS, doch ich fliege blind. Was bedeutet PS?

[long whale]

Abbreviation for "Pferdestärken" (horse power) - it's how a car's engine power used to be measured.

[dim quiver]

Das Internet und die sozialen Medien haben auch in der Sprache der Jugend eine ganz neue Seite eingeführt, nämlich Abkürzungen.

How does the case system work with this sentece?

i would think "Das Internet und die sozialen Medien" is subject / nominative

haben is verb

[shell pecan]

That's right so far.

[dim quiver]

and then i just put the rest as direct object / accusative

except for the last part

eingufuhrt namlich abkurzungen

[shell pecan]

it's not that simple, but grammatically probably looks the same

[dim quiver]

i put that as verb again

[shell pecan]

in is a preposition. "in" triggers the dative case here. so we have die Sprache -> der Sprache.

Then, der Jugend.

[dim quiver]

Oh okay, that's actually what was causing me trouble

[shell pecan]

Jugand is normally die

[dim quiver]

yeah

[shell pecan]

it becomes der because of its relation to "sprache"

die->der here essentially makes it "of the"

[dim quiver]

so it's like "the language of the teenagers"?

[shell pecan]

(Das Internet und die sozialen Medien) Nominativ - haben auch in <der Sprache> Dativ because of "in" {der Jugend} "of the Youth" eine ganz neue Seite eingeführt, nämlich Abkürzungen.

that's sort of how it mentally reads

but also, as far as being practical, you don't need to be too concerned about knowing the rules of the cases

[dim quiver]

And because those two are connected, jugend i der instead of die

[shell pecan]

right

[dim quiver]

that kind of reminds me of predicative i think it's called, is the thought process kind of similar?

[shell pecan]

give me an example

I know that I probably studied this haha

[proven sphinx]

Predicative means using the word "to be" and such.

[dim quiver]

yeah

[proven sphinx]

It basically means subject = object.

Er ist Lehrer.

Sie heißt Anna.

[dim quiver]

so object becomes nominative

[proven sphinx]

Yep.

Gleichsetzungsnominativ

Is what it's called.

[shell pecan]

Ah.

hm. That's unfamiliar to me

I basically just got that stuff through muscle memory

[proven sphinx]

Er ist ein guter Schüler.

Er = subject
ist = predicate/verb
ein guter Schüler = predicative object/Gleichsetzungsnominativ

[shell pecan]

ok. Yeah. I was thinking of adjective endings when I first saw predicative.

[dim quiver]

what about eine ganz neue Seite

is that direct object?

[shell pecan]

Das Internet und die sozialen Medien haben auch in der Sprache der Jugend eine ganz neue Seite eingeführt, nämlich Abkürzungen.

That's accusative, direct object yes

Someone more skilled than me should look at those adjective endings, because I would be inclined to say eine ganze neue Seite

[proven sphinx]

It depends on whether you intend for "ganz" to be used adverbially or attributively.

eine ganz neue Seite = a completely new page
eine ganze neue seite = an entire/whole new page

Like, the latter means you use the whole page.

The former just means that it's a different page.

[heavy stratus]

Ist es wahr, dass die Herkunft der deutschen Kultur in Wälder zu finden werden ist?

[near folio]

was meinst du?

und das werden sollte sich da nicht befinden

[heavy stratus]

Ich habe gelesen, dass Wälder ein sehr wichtiges Teil der deutschen kulturellen Identität sind - immer zeigt in Literatur, Kunst, Volkgeschichten, sogar 'ein Teil der deutschen Seele'. Also ich stellte die Frage, die du früher gesehen hast

[near folio]

könnte gut sein, da einmal das größte Teil Europas mit Wald bedeckt war

[heavy stratus]

Doch nicht mehr weil Bauernhöfe 😢

[long whale]

When you put it like that, it sounds a little... weird, to be honest.

[long whale]

Well, yes, they are. We do like our forests.

*ein sehr wichtiger Teil

(das Teil ist usually only used for spare parts, of engines, for example. And colloquially for "thing". Otherwise, use "der Teil". :) )

[swift bough]

You can think of "der Teil" as something you can break off of something literally, like half of a cookie or a slice of cake, or a key that is broken in half (where there would be 2 individual Teile), or a part of something that makes up something larger, such as a department in a company or someone who is part of a group, kinda like you metaphorically "broke" it away from the entire company @heavy stratus

and das Teil is a complete thing on the contrary (thus why it works for "spare parts" like Susana said)

[latent summit]

Halloo :D ich bin neuer hier ^^freut mich, euch kennenzulernen

[heavy stratus]

Wieso? Klingt es seltsam, weil was du darunter geschrieben hast (danke für die Korrektur btw)?

[heavy stratus]

Gotcha - I guess you could break off part of a forest by cutting trees down, but that's reaching haha

[long whale]

Well, if you say "Is it true that German culture originates in forests", it sounds as if the forests had kind of developed German culture on their own, doesn't it?@heavy stratus

And - as everywhere in Europe - culture developed precisely where there were no forests (anymore), in monasteries and towns, so...

[heavy stratus]

Es höre mich eher an, wie Waldmenschen die Kultur entwickeln haben, oder Menschen, die neben Wälder in Denkweise sind - nicht wie die Wälder selbst die Kultur entwickeln. Klingt das sinnlos?

[long whale]

No. It's rather ungrammatical, but I see what you mean.

The thing is, yes, I suppose we are indeed famous for our attachment to forests, but it's quite inexplicable, since, as Pferd has already pointed out, all of Europe used to be pretty much covered by forests. 🤷

[heavy stratus]

Wenn das die Wahrheit ist, dann muss es nicht auch wahr sein, dass Deutsche Kultur zuerst in Wälder entwickelt ist, weil als du und 🐴 sagen, in vergangenen Jahren Europa Wälder war?

[long whale]

But the same would be true for French, Italian, Spanish, English, Polish and Greek culture, was my point. :)

[heavy stratus]

Hm, naja so es sieht aus - dann ich weiß es nicht. In jedem Fall ich danke dir für deine Antwort, die interessiere mich

[sick tartan]

Yo yo, what's a good equivalent word of rich in German? (e.g. a rich culture)

Not $$$

[long whale]

"reich" works just fine, both literally - $$$ - and figuratively. :) @sick tartan

[sick tartan]

dankschön xx!!

[swift bough]

in that context, der Teil actually would work though, that's possible

"Dieser Teil des Waldes wurde abgeholzt."

So sounds like you understood

[heavy stratus]

In diesem Fall bin ich zufrieden :)

[shell pecan]

Does the saying "sounds good" literally translate to german?

Kann ich einfach "klingt gut" zuwerfen?

[swift bough]

ja

eigentlich schon

kannst auch "hört sich gut an" sagen

[valid mulch]

ja beides funktioniert

[flint ingot]

also wie würde ich sagen das 200000 zuschauer im stadion geben könnten? ich weiß nicht wie ich das sagen soll

[inner silo]

So a german translation to: There might me 2000000 spectators in the stadium?

[flint ingot]

not really

it has enough seats to have 200000 spectators

[inner silo]

ohhh

Okay

that would be different

Das Stadion hat genug Sitze für 2000000 Zuschauer

[flint ingot]

could i replace genug with genügend to make it sound more formal?

[inner silo]

you could replace it, but it wouln't make it more formal

[flint ingot]

oh

[inner silo]

You could exchange Sitze for Sitzplätze

[flint ingot]

i always thought it was more professional

but thank you very much

[fervent kernel]

@rancid thicket is bis "zum" 7. März richtig dort? Da bin ich mir nicht sicher

Wird bis 7. März verlängert
lautete der Satz

[patent niche]

"zum" passt da gut rein ja

[fervent kernel]

super. danke

Aber ohne zum ging's auch oder?

[patent niche]

ja so würde es auch gehen. Mit klingt es etwas runder

[onyx rain]

Hi I wanted to say "What do you look like?"
here is my attempt "Was schaust du gerne gleich?"

[rancid thicket]

beides ist richtig aber ohne zum ist förmlicher

[onyx rain]

It translated super weirdly..

[scenic drift]

did you use some sort of machine translation for this?

[onyx rain]

no no I did it...

[scenic drift]

or a dictionary?

[onyx rain]

from my limited vocab (sorry I guess its that bad)

[scenic drift]

no worries :)

"Wie siehst du aus?" is how you'd ask that.

"gerne" means "like" in the sense of "what do you like doing" not "what do you look like"

[fervent kernel]

word for word translations don't always work unfortunately

[onyx rain]

I don't fully get this one "How do you see from?"

[long whale]

"aussehen" = to look, to appear :)

[scenic drift]

ah, susana got there first

[onyx rain]

oops, danke!

[scenic drift]

(it's a separable verb - in separable verbs, the preposition "detaches" and moves to another part of the sentence)

[fervent kernel]

Hä dachte immer das mit zum wäre förmlich

Und ohne wäre eher umgangssprachlich

ich sehe fast nie ein Datum ohne 'zum' nach 'bis

Aber dafür lese ich auch kaum die Neuigkeiten (auf Deutsch)

[long whale]

I'd agree - leaving out "zum" sounds at best as if you couldn't be bothered. 🤷 As a side note: dafür andererseits; Neuigkeiten Nachrichten ;) @fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

Thank you

So you say Neuigkeiten in a context like .. I got good news! ?

[long whale]

Yup.

@fervent kernel

"Es gibt gute Neuigkeiten: ich habe den Vertrag bekommen!"

[fervent kernel]

Danke. Ich muss jetzt wirklich die Nachrichten lesen um meinen Wortschatz zu erweitern

😅

[sudden cloud]

Heute war sie seit Langem wieder an dem Haus vorbeigegangen. Fünfzehn Jahre war das alles her.
What does this mean in english

[fervent kernel]

hab' ich nachgeholt!
was kann das eventuell für Bedeutung haben? Der Kontext dahinter ist, ich habe einem eine Email geschrieben. Es geht darum, dass er offenbar vergessen hat, was online zur Verfügung zu stellen. Heißt es :
(1) dass er das Datei hochgeladen hat, und ich habe mich geirrt, oder
(2) dass er das Datei beinahe hochlad, und ich muss eben etwa geduld haben

[ember mason]

Also nachholen heißt, etwas später (in diesem Fall weil die Person es vergessen hat) erledigen. Also hat sie's jetzt hochgeladen.

[fervent kernel]

ah, babsii ! danke

[long whale]

Why don't you put it through deepl? And then, if there are things you don't understand, you could ask more specific questions. ;)

[sudden cloud]

@long whale Ty, but what does "das alles" and "her" mean

never seen it before

[long whale]

"das alles" = all of that; all this (if it isn't clear at that point in the story what it refers to, then you'll be told about it later on). "her" is rather like "ago": Es/Das ist 10 Jahre her = It was 10 years ago @sudden cloud

[sudden cloud]

oh, I see

[fervent kernel]

welcher ist richtig? zwei drittel dutzend entspricht 8 Stücken oder zwei drittel dutzend entsprechen 8 Stücken.

[random hound]

Zwei Drittel Duzend entsprechen acht Stücken.

[proven sphinx]

Zwei Drittel Dutzend?

Wer sagt das schon?

[frank forge]

When formally saying "I will come in July, but cannot specify a day." what should we use for "day"?
"Ich komme in Juli, aber ich kann keinen Tag /Datum angeben."

[proven sphinx]

*im Juli

Datum is probably better.

"kein Datum" because it's "das Datum".

[fervent kernel]

Dunkin donuts Mitarbeiter?

[ember mason]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-math-what-wtf-peep-gif-6081931

[proven sphinx]

Ja, genau! 😂

[delicate tiger]

besser: ein Gros, ein Dutzend Dutzend (144)

[proven sphinx]

Man schreibt es als "dutzend", verdammt nochmal.

"duzend" ist jemand, der "du" sagt.

[summer crystal]

Ist das richtig? "Dass ich traurig bin, weißt du sicher!"

[long whale]

Yes, it's correct. :)

[summer crystal]

Okay!

[brittle basin]

Hallo zusammen! So I heard one can't use Modalpartikeln in a formal situation. But what about "doch" (Not as a Modalpartikel), would it be ok to use doch to answer a negative sentence in a formal situation? 🤔

Thanks!

[winter hamlet]

Hallo

How else would you answer a negated question if not with doch @brittle basin ?

It's not a modal particle if you use it in response to a negative sentence

it's the regular use of 'doch'

use as a Modalparticle would have a completely different meaning

[brittle basin]

Hmm... I don't know lol, it was just a random thought, since I heard you can't use Modalpartikeln in a formal situation. So I made this link between those roles of it. Thanks for answering!

I see

Thank you again!

[winter hamlet]

'doch' as a Modalpartikel is a bit like inferring a question was asked when this wasn't really the case

in a formal setting this would be a little rude to do

They all infer some perspective to be true you can't really know ..so it's always a bit presumptive

[rancid thicket]

Example:
A: Bibi ist die beste Sängerin! (Bibi is the best singer)
B: Nein! (No)
A: Doch! (Yes as a response to "no")

[fervent kernel]

Person a is a brainwashed 12 y old girl

[rancid thicket]

true

[granite spade]

What's the best way to say "catch up with somebody (over a coffee)"

like with a friend, a casual meeting

bei einem Kaffee nachholen?

sich beim Kaffee über Neustes aufholen?

[fervent kernel]

Ich würde ganz einfach "jemanden beim Kaffee treffen" sagen

[rich lance]

Hello, just wondering if is there any study group for (spanish or english)—> german??? I’m thinking in sitting down 30mins a day to learn/practice german, at least. However I’d like to learn with someone else, if possible.

I’m not a teacher, but I can teach spanish in exchange. (English too, but I’m not that confident with this one though)

[plush prawn]

Hast du B1 connectors list ? Für sprechen and schreiben ✍️

🙏

[fervent kernel]

What?

Do you mean conjunctions?

[plush prawn]

Not exactly

But, they do include conjunction!

[fervent kernel]

maybe somethin like this?
https://www.thoughtco.com/about-german-writing-1445259
https://mydailygerman.com/german-essay-phrases/

[torpid salmon]

Are there any usage of "zum ..." in Zeiträume? I can't seem to find examples about it.

[fervent kernel]

zum is normally used along with ''bis'' for a date

like bis zum 1. März

and also like "zum Anfang des Jahres" , "zum Ende des Monats"

.. by the beginning of the year / end of the month

[fervent kernel]

Is it Das ist ein/einen Mann?

Can’t tell if that’s Nom or Akk

[heavy stratus]

Das ist ein Mann

[fervent kernel]

Alles klar, danke

[plain umbra]

@fervent kernel Sein always takes nominative.

[runic meadow]

Wie sag man "Drunk" auf Deutsch

[swift bough]

besoffen

betrunken

[runic meadow]

danke

also wann ich sage "ich bin betrunken" ist das richtig?

[swift bough]

ja

[runic meadow]

danke danke

ich bin betrunken

[swift bough]

wenn*

[runic meadow]

oh ok wenn

ich lerne deutsch

danke schon

[swift bough]

wann = what exact time / day / month / yeah
wenn = if / when / whenever
@runic meadow

zum Beispiel

Wann gehst du zur Schule?

[runic meadow]

oh achso!!

Wann is der Zeit

auf der Tag

[swift bough]

if you wanna say "what's the time" you say "Wie viel Uhr ist es?"

or what time is it

[runic meadow]

oh ja naklar

ich spricht nur Deutsch

besser Deutsch diese weg

ist das richtig?

[swift bough]

spreche*

[runic meadow]

o spreche ich vorgesse

danke

[swift bough]

hmm...was willst du sagen, also auf Englisch?

[runic meadow]

i will speak only in german. Learning better german this way

[swift bough]

Ich werde nur auf Deutsch sprechen. So lerne ich Deutsch besser.

[runic meadow]

Ich werede nur auf Deutsch sprechen. So lerne ich Deutsch besser.

Achso!! danke herr bundesverkehrsministerium

oder Frau

[swift bough]

Du kannst aber auch einfach sagen, "Ich spreche nur Deutsch"

du kannst also das Werden weglassen

Ich spreche nur Deutsch und so lerne ich besser Deutsch.

it's actually a bit better with Deutsch at the very end, I just noticed

[runic meadow]

hmmm achso!

Mein Deutsch ist besser wenn ich bin betronken

wie sag man "shy" auf Detusch

[swift bough]

eben, so fühlt es sich manchmal an

Aber ich denke, es wird nicht besser, sondern du sprichst mehr und traust dich mehr.

[runic meadow]

loool

jaaaa

[swift bough]

shy = schüchtern

[runic meadow]

icht spreche mehr jaa

ich*

ich bin nicht schüchtern wenn ich bin betronken

achso

ich lerne viel Deutsch heute!!

[swift bough]

wenn ich betrunken bin*

[runic meadow]

oo

ich vorgesse das bin

the order ja

[swift bough]

wenn man "wenn" benutzt, geht das Verb ans Ende

[runic meadow]

ja das its richtig

ich muss merken das

danke fur alles

ich liebe dich

❤️

[swift bough]

das merke ich mir*
sagt man ^^

und danke das ist lieb von dir xD

[runic meadow]

ooo

ich lerne Deutsch 4 jahre aber es ist nicht genug

ich muss mehr Deutsch sprehce

[swift bough]

Ich lerne seit 5.5 Jahren

Aber ich habe auch ein Auslandsjahr in DE gemacht

[runic meadow]

oooo!!

das ist sehr krass!

👍

[fervent kernel]

https://youtu.be/8HHcgU4fo6s?t=307

can someone tell me what the german guy tells him?

I can't quite hear what he says

[fervent kernel]

Pizza finden Sie da bei (den) Kühlschränken , rechts

thanks 🙂

@fervent kernel does he say den?

at first it sounded like Bahn to me, is he saying bei den really fast?

[scenic drift]

it sounds almost closer to "beim" to me ("beim Kühlschrank")

[fervent kernel]

oh yeah, that makes more sense

but if that were the case it sounds like he says something between Kühlschrank ... rechts

what Duitse said seems to fit more considering that 🤔

and it sounds like the plural of Kühlschrank

[scenic drift]

yeah, it does sound like he's saying the plural

language is funky in the real world like that 😉

[fervent kernel]

Now that I hear it again it does sound like "beim Kühlschrank" as Mikey said and the sound in between that and rechts is probably just a äääh , like he he was thinking about what to say

He does repeat the same line again a few seconds later and I think that makes it clear

I assumed that sound he made was for the plural of Kühlschrank lol

[scenic drift]

"Im Frühjahr war ich oft so erschöpft, dass ich schlief wie ein Baby"
why not "dass ich wie ein Baby schlief"?

i'm wondering if it's just a typo / something not caught during proofreading 😅

[long whale]

Mm... Often happens with comparisons. I'm not 100% sure whether a strict examiner from Goethe might not consider it an error, but normal native speakers wouldn't. 🤷

[scenic drift]

interesting. it's not the first time i've seen this.

is there a grammatical rule (even if informal)?

[onyx rain]

what part of grammar is it, when we use Die or Der alone in the beginning of a sentence or clause, Bespiele in diese Satz

[long whale]

It's a demonstrative or a relative pronoun, as far as I know. :) @onyx rain

[onyx rain]

I can't search it on Leo, coz it shows the meaning for English die (relating to death)

I will google it like that, danke

[heavy stratus]

The real question is, what would Goethe himself think of that?

[granite spade]

Pretty much what Susana said. Technically speaking, if you want to investigate it more, it is called Ausklammerung and refers to elements in a sentence that are placed outside the verbal bracket (die Satzklammer), of which comparisons often are. It's colloquial but increasingly found in writing I think, especially if the additional info is long

https://deutschegrammatik20.de/wortposition/ausklammerung-im-nachfeld/

[scenic drift]

exactly what i was looking for, thank you 🥰

ok, awesome! i've definitely seen this phenomenon before and not been sure why it was like that

[granite spade]

Bitte 😀

[heavy stratus]

Einige Politiker und Politikerinnen der USA sagen, dass Donald Trump die Angreifer angestachelt hat

When wanting to specify that multiple members of a group have a viewpoint, is it normal to be like 'Polizist und Polizistinnen glauben, dass...' etc? It seems a tad unnecessary, or is this just a stylistic thing for German that you just have to do

[proven sphinx]

You mean stating both the masculine and feminine forms or what?

It's something that's only become common in more recent years.

[heavy stratus]

Ah alright, I was reading and I just thought you could've just said 'Politiker' and I would've assumed that included female politicians. Was this the result of some sort of movement?

[proven sphinx]

Well, it's kind of the opposite of what's happening with English.

English often emphasizes gender-neutral forms, but German is a gendered language, so the masculine forms are starting to be seen as referring exclusively to men.

[heavy stratus]

Like, would it be a big deal to say Schauspieler instead of Schauspieler und Schauspielerinnen?

Or this it just more of a political thing that the average German doesn't pay attention to?

[scenic drift]

i've seen Schauspieler*innen used a lot...

[heavy stratus]

I guess that makes the sentence feel less clunky, at least to me

[scenic drift]

i imagine it's not as formal though.

also sometimes (rarely) "Schauspielerinnen and Schauspieler"

[heavy stratus]

Is it not normal for the feminine version to be first or something?

[scenic drift]

the 'default' is male first i think

[heavy stratus]

Ich würde mich das denn erinnern, wenn ich Deutsch schriebe. Danke Mikey

[cunning geyser]

Hello, can someone help me? I need to translate a sentence: We do not know our way in this city/We are not familiar with this city. I need to use the verb "sich aus/kennen" I created "Wir uns kennen in dieser Stadt nicht aus." But I think it's terribly wrong and I don't know what to do. If someone could check it I'd be grateful.

[delicate tiger]

almost, verb to second position

[cunning geyser]

Thank you so much!

[oak brook]

Well you dove into a relatively large continuous political debate of the recent years here and there will be quite a few of different opinions depending on where the person is on the political spectrum xD i can assure you tho if youre not a native nobody will be angry about what you decide to use here

[heavy stratus]

Okay, thanks for the heads up Max! I think using the masculine version in reffering to both to men and women is just more efficient so I'll go with that one

[fervent kernel]

Hi. Anyone interested in speaking through WhatsApp vocal messages ? In German only OR we can speak German if you're native then French if you want to learn it 🙂 (I'm native)

I need practice

(don't know if it's the right channel, sorry)

[fervent kernel]

Person A: meint ihr, man schafft es, für die Klausur vorbereitet zu sein, wenn man jetzt anfängt zu lernen? ohne an den Vorlesungen teilgenommen zu haben?
Person B: klar, wieso denn nicht?
C: naja ist das Fach inhaltlich nicht schwer?
D: Also ich würde da mindestens 7 Wochen für einplanen
E: Was für 7 Wochen... so viele sind wir doch gar nicht?!
F: Also wir sind mindestens 3, aber ob es für 4 reicht weiß ich nicht

kann mir jemand hierbei helfen? ich möchte wissen, wovon Person E und F reden. Reden die von der Anzahl an Wochen oder sonst was? oder vielleicht ist das irgendwie ein Witz, den ich gar nicht verstehen kann? da bin ich verwirrt wegen ihrer Verwendung von "wir sind ..". Es gibt noch 7 Wochen vor der Klausur, falls das wichtig wäre..

[sly ferry]

Doesn't make much sense to me either tbh

[fervent kernel]

mehr kontext gibt es leider nicht

[lyric void]

Lol no clue

[fervent kernel]

dann muss es wohl ein dummer Witz oder Insider sein

[dense current]

Hi I'm new here, I want to practice my German but firstly I have to say that I'm very terrible at it. Since, I have German exam in this May, I think I can improve myself by texting and voice messages.

[wheat drift]

How do I structure my sentence, would the verb or adjective go before the noun?

[scenic drift]

can you give an example of a sentence? 😅

[wheat drift]

Just in general

Does it depend on the sentence

[plain umbra]

Yes. Sentences can have multiple verbs, nouns and adjectives and they can be in various orders.

The key point beginners learn for sentence order in German is verb placement. The most important thing to start off with is getting your verbs in the right place.

For a basic sentence, the conjugated verb goes in the second position, any extra verbs go at the end of the clause.

Ich esse Brot.
Heute lerne ich Deutsch.
Am Sonntag gehe ich an den Strand.

Hope that helps. @wheat drift

[wheat drift]

@plain umbra Oh, I was just checking because I thought the verb went before the subject, in your example being I. I was right. Thanks for the confirmation

[plain umbra]

@wheat drift It doesn't always.

[wheat drift]

What determines it

[scenic drift]

the verb's after the subject in "Ich esse Brot" for example

[plain umbra]

Like I said the verb goes second.

[wheat drift]

But in Today, I learn German. The verb was before the subject

I just realized the first one

[plain umbra]

If you start your sentence with something besides the subject, the verb has to come next, so the subject has to come third.

[scenic drift]

think about the location of the verb not in relation to the subject but in the place of the rest of the sentence

[plain umbra]

In English you can just stick something else on the front without changing the rest of the sentence. But in German, you can't just do that.

[wheat drift]

I get it now

Danke

[plain umbra]

Np.

[near folio]

Kann ich den Satz:
He walks in circles around the castle.
so übersetzen:
Er geht im Kreis um das Schloss herum.
oder gibt es eine natürlichere Übersetzung?

[delicate tiger]

solange es nicht ein wirklich kreisförmiger Weg ist, würde ich es weglassen

[near folio]

also, ohne im Kreis?

[lean canyon]

Hi everyone! I'm back, and yeah, with another question that makes me want to rip my head haha!

So i tried to translate a sentence which is, "Everyone has their own dog, everyone has their own movement, everyone has their own car." I did so to check the changes on "their" and "own" regarding the gender of the noun. Then it got me confused! So here is the result of the translation in Deutsch:

1. Jeder hat seinen eigenen Hund (M.)
2. Jeder hat seine eigene Bewegung (F)
3. Jeder hat sein eigenes Auto (N.)

I tried to check with my notes, and it doesn't seem that all the nouns here are in the Akk case. Am I right? Because on the first sentence, which involves Der Hund, it uses "seinen" instead of "sein." Could anyone get me straight on this please? 🙁

And I'd be glad if someone also wants to explain about the changes on the word "eigene" too. I couldn't even match them on my Adj. endings list on my book 😭

VIELEN DANK!

[plain umbra]

@lean canyon It seems fine to me. But if you can't find them in your adjective ending list, I think there is something wrong with the book.

Try this. http://germanforenglishspeakers.com/adjectives/adjective-declensions/

Because on the first sentence, which involves Der Hund, it uses "seinen" instead of "sein."
If it were nominative, it would use sein. It's accusative here, so it uses seinen.

[lean canyon]

Thanks for the link! This is the website where I get my list, a bit strange, they both differ on the indefinite article. Would you mind to check this site so I can be sure that this site has listed the wrong adj endings? https://www.learn-german-smarter.com/learn-german-adjective-endings/

[plain umbra]

@lean canyon Where does it differ?

The plural line is weird in your link, because they used the "no article" for the plural line in their "ein" diagram.

But that's simply because you cannot use "ein" with plural. You can use other ein-words and then the adjective would have -en ending for all cases.

[lean canyon]

I even just realized after you write this 😆 you're right! Thanks for the explanation!

[long whale]

If you're still interested, it would also sound good if you wrote (!) "Er umrundet [mehrmals/immer wieder/wieder und wieder] das Schloss". I agree that "Er geht [immer wieder/ständig] um das Schloss herum" would be most natural in speaking, but obviously, it wouldn't get the "circles" across without "ständig" or "mehrmals" or "immer wieder". :)

[near folio]

ah, danke dir. Ich bin auch auf umherwandern gestoßen, wie hört sich das an? Beispiel: Er wandert im Innenhof des Schlosses im Kreis umher.

[long whale]

I may be overthinking this right now, but I don't think I'd say this. "umherwandern" means "to wander about [aimlessly]", doesn't it? While "im Kreis" does give a specific direction, doesn't it? @near folio

Unless he's kind of spiralling about the court, of course? 🤔

[near folio]

genau, das macht er

[long whale]

lightbulb ;)

[near folio]

also: he wanders aimlessly in circles

[long whale]

Yes, well, then, you've nailed it. :)

[near folio]

hat umrunden diese Konnotation von Ziellosigkeit nicht?

[long whale]

Uh - I don't think so, no. It would mean he'd be walking along the inner or outer walls.

At more or less of a distance, but kind of following their contours. Like... if you tour around a mountain, keeping to the valleys surrounding it, without climbing it, then, when you come back to your starting point, you'd say "Ich habe den Berg einmal umrundet" - is my understanding of "umrunden", at least.

[near folio]

ah okay gut, dann ist seine Bedeutung genau wie es sich anhört

[cerulean idol]

How do you say

How was your weekend

[pale path]

Wie war dein Wochenende

[scenic drift]

following up on this discussion. i saw an advertisement that i think you may find interesting.

gimme a moment to dig it up

a good example of "general neutral" job advertisements in real life

[bold sapphire]

you can also say Pfleger*in (m/w/d)

[fervent kernel]

to add to that, i have also seen them just write the male forms, and then at the end mention something about the position being available to all genders, but just the one form written for "stylistic" reasons

i dont remember the exact word they used

[bold sapphire]

Fachkraft?

[fervent kernel]

no i mean the word they used to say "stylistic reasons"

cause i feel like in english it sounds a bit wrong

they used the male forms of the job in the Stellenausschreibung

[bold sapphire]

hmm

[fervent kernel]

but i dont see that anymore on their site. think they replaced it with (m/w/d) after the job title

[bold sapphire]

yes, (m/w/d) is very common nowadays

[heavy stratus]

Very interesting, I didn't expect this from official advertisements. German is truly full of surprises

[heavy stratus]

This looks strange, it would be helpful if they had like a Pflegerfachmensch but the perils of grammatical gender, I guess 😄

[scenic drift]

yeah

hence i wanted to share

because it is a bit weird haha

[heavy stratus]

Idk how I would solve that tbf. It looks weird having Pflegerfachmann with a picture of a woman but Pflegerfachfrau next to a man looks a bit odd

Then again isn't 'Hauptmann' a thing? I don't think I've heard 'Hauptfrau' and women can be a Hauptmann also

[bold sapphire]

*Pflegefachkraft

[icy flax]

@bold sapphire, now this seems familiar. I find it not-ok the way it "unpersonalizes" people though.
They aint no more employees, now they are "caring power"

[fervent veldt]

How to say that "something is the same"?

"Dasselbe" or "die gleiche", and what is the difference?

[fervent veldt]

Very cool, thanks!

[lost parcel]

Was ist genau der unterschied zwischen „Abbrechen“ und „Aufheben“ ?

[arctic cosmos]

"Kann ein Mensch, der über sich selber sagt, dass er ein guter Mensch wäre, wirklich so gut sein?"
Warum benutzen wir (wäre) statt (ist)?

[fervent kernel]

das ist Konjunktiv 2. es drückt Wünsche, Vorstellungen sowie Unmögliches aus

in deinem Satz muss man sich diesen Menschen vorstellen

ich glaube so könntest du das verstehen 🤔

[oak brook]

They are completely different words in which context do you want to use them/ what do you wanna say?

[lost parcel]

I want to say "cancel" , what do they mean exactly ?

[oak brook]

Then its abbrechen

Aufheben could have multiple meanings, most common would be to pick smth up, it can also mean to keep smth like „ich hebe mir die schokolade für später auf/ im keeping the chocolate for later“, and a more rarely used variant would be „der präsident hebt das gesetz auf/ something like : the president is ending the law“

But then again do you have the whole sentence cancel could be translated in different ways

[lost parcel]

sehr klare Erklärung xD , vielen dankkk

[lost parcel]

Ich dachte dass "cancel" war , weil ich "stummschalten aufheben" gesehen habe , dann hab ich mir gedacht , das ist wahrscheinlich "cancel" , obwohl ich nicht sicher war

[oak brook]

Ah lol yeah that is a case where you would use the third variant of aufheben

[fervent kernel]

das ist mehr wie "remove" als "cancel" glaub ich

i think its ok to think of aufheben as 'remove' most of the time

[arctic cosmos]

aber findest du nicht,dass (ist) in diesem kontext besser als (wäre) ist?

[fervent kernel]

nein, eigentlich grammatikalisch gesehen wäre 'wäre' richtiger

ob 'ist' falsch wäre, weiß ich nicht

[long whale]

All 3 are possible here: "ist", "sei" and "wäre". "sei" would be correct, grammar-wise, since it's reported speech. However, it isn't used much outside of official communication (news, court reports, etc.). Many Germans have this vague idea that reported speech is something to do with Konjunktiv, so, they often end up saying "wäre" instead of "sei". However, outside of official communication, using Indikativ for reported speech sounds just fine. Therefore, I'd go with "ist", since it's definitely less awkward than "wäre", although not as formally correct as "sei" would be. :)

Oh, and as a side note: according to grammar books, the use of Konjunktiv II indicates the person who's reporting is doubting the truth of what's been said, so, that might be a reason for using "wäre". :)

[fervent kernel]

thanks for that explanation. i still always get the sei / wäre thing wrong 😩

[long whale]

You and roughly 98% of all native speakers. ;)

Here, have a 🧁

@fervent kernel

[arctic cosmos]

Danke schön für diese detaillierte erklärung💙

[fervent kernel]

danke schön <3

[proven sphinx]

The other 2% are probably Swiss German speakers, since the Konjunktiv I is still very much in use in these dialects. LOL.

[heavy stratus]

Keine Österreicher 😔

[heavy stratus]

Kann man "lass uns kühl sein' sagen, wenn jemand sehr gereizt ist, um ihn zu entspannt?

[night dagger]

Ich würde das stattdessen sagen:
"Du solltest dich beruhigen".
"Lenk dich ein wenig ab."
"Entspann dich."

[heavy stratus]

Vielen dank! Ich merkte, dass ich keine Redewendungen hatte, die helfen, wenn jemand gereizt ist - bis jetzt

[icy flax]

Or, if you talking with a Professor or a Polizist:"Chill mal, Dicker!"
-jks

[long whale]

Another possibility: "Immer mit der Ruhe"

[dawn jackal]

haben + zu + inf ist alternative zum müssen
so kann besipelweise ich sagen : ich muss lernen oder ich habe zu lerne

[shell bronze]

"Ich habe zu lernen" klingt sehr komisch für mich

[swift bough]

Man würde eigentlich bloß sagen „ich muss lernen“

[fallow ledge]

Haben + zu + inf mag ein möglicher Ersatz zu(?) „müssen“ sein, aber es kommt sehr amtlich und oft zwingend rüber.
Es wird oft so verstanden, als müsste man etwas unbedingt machen. Wie z.B.
Alle Bürger haben das Gesetz zu befolgen.

Demnach klingt „ich habe zu lernen“ so als hätte jemand es dir befohlen.

[long whale]

Umm... Mmm... Other native speakers may disagree, but... the way I see it, very strict parents may say things like "Du hast zu tun, was ich dir sage", "Du hast dein Zimmer aufzuräumen", which is rather like "You're bloody well going to do what I tell you/clean up your room", but saying "Ich hab' noch zu tun", "Ich hab noch einiges zu lernen" is quite normal for "I've still got stuff to do/things to learn". @fallow ledge

[fallow ledge]

Nice 👍for those first ones, its still like someone told you to do it

Ive heard „ich habe noch zu tun“ but not the variation with lernen, thats nice to know

[fervent veldt]

How to say that something is "famous for" something?

Like a city is famous for cheese

[pale moat]

'Die Stadt ist bekannt für ihren Käse' i believe

[long whale]

"berühmt" works, too. :)

[icy flax]

Oo, das erinnert mich dran, jemand hat mal hier gesagt, einige Sätze sollten "um" haben, haben aber nicht.

Hier ham wir ein Beispiel :)

"Du hast dein Zimmer, um aufzuräumen" bedeutet dasselbe als beim "du hast dein Zimmer aufzuräumen", oder liege ich eig falsch dran?

[tough rock]

Du hast dein Zimmer um aufzuräumen = you have your room in order to be cleaning it
Du hast dein Zimmer aufzuräumen = you have to clean up your room

[swift bough]

The first sentence makes no sense in English unless you literally bought a room just to clean it

(And who does that?)

[hollow ether]

Reinigungskraft, wenn sie üben wollen

[cerulean lion]

Technically not a German language question, more of a historical one, but:

What was the official name in German for the "Minister/Ministry of Post" from 13 February - 20 June 1919, under the Scheidemann Cabinet (German: Kabinett Scheidemann)?

I can't seem to find much.

[scenic drift]

wikipedia is suggesting Reichspostministerium, is that what you're looking for? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichspostministerium

[onyx rain]

Oft times the word order with "aber" is not "aber + verb + subject", it is "aber + subject + verb"
I can't seem to find the pattern when, I understand that the verb is the "second idea" of the sentence (and not just position)

Can someone throw light on this? Or this too is flexible..

[scenic drift]

can you give an example?

word order with aber is fairly flexible because it can be used as both a conjunction and an adverb

example as a conjunction: "Ich mag keine Orangen, aber ich mag Äpfel. "
as a conjunction (ish) but with adverbial word order: "Ich bin dafür, er aber lehnt es ab"
as an adverb: "Du bist aber groß geworden"

[onyx rain]

Sie wissen sehr viel, Anna, aber Sie wissen noch nicht alles

[scenic drift]

that's aber behaving as a conjunction

the clause is "Sie wissen noch nicht alles" and the verb is the second item in that clause

(it's a coordinating conjunction, so word order doesn't change)

[onyx rain]

I see, I understand it a bit better now, thank you.

[onyx rain]

um..I can't help but notice you moved the subject even before aber was it supposed to be aber lehnt er es as or we did that to remove the ambiguity? ( I vaguely recall reading that somewhere)

[scenic drift]

it's supposed to be "er aber lehnt es ab", that's why i chose it as an example :)

(these are examples from the wiktionary page for "aber")

you can think of it as "he, however, rejects it" or "he, on the other hand, rejects it"

[onyx rain]

yes I read it along similar line "he, but, rejects it" (I think I got it, thanks)

[swift bough]

Don’t try to translate word for word btw

[scenic drift]

also, note that you'd want "aber er lehnt es ab" (not "aber lehnt er es ab")

[swift bough]

It’s easier to understand the function of something than to try and literally translate

[onyx rain]

In this sentence 'aber' is used as a conjunction is it not?
Ich komme aus der Schwierz aber wohne ich in Berlin

[swift bough]

That sentence is wrong

Aber ich wohne*

[onyx rain]

that's very strange, that was the example more or less used to explain the word order

[swift bough]

You could say:
„Ich komme aus der Schweiz, wohne aber in Berlin“

[onyx rain]

there was a "now" (noch) in the sentence too

[swift bough]

Well actually, the sentence isn’t wrong...if you put a question mark at the end of it

[onyx rain]

would that make a difference

[swift bough]

Yeah

[onyx rain]

the meaning was "I come from Place X but now I live in Place Y"

[swift bough]

Because of the word order that is used with „aber“ as a conjunction

If you habe „wohne ich“, it’s like a question

But it couldn’t be a statement

Ok

Then it had to be „aber ich wohne...“

[onyx rain]

Ich komme aus der Schwierz aber wohne ich in Berlin - this is wrong
Ich komme aus der Schwierz aber noch wohne ich in Berlin - but this is right?

[swift bough]

Aber wohnst du in Berlin?
Aber du wohnst in Berlin!

These are two different things

[onyx rain]

I know we put verb + subject for questions, don't know when we put verb + subject for not a question

[swift bough]

No

Ich komme aus der Schweiz, wohne aber noch in Berlin.

Ich komme aus der Schweiz, aber ich wohne noch in Berlin.

[swift bough]

In particular for „aber“, you generally put the subject first for statements, and in second position for questions

Not necessarily always but as a general rule

Like if I said „Aber du wohnst doch in Berlin, oder? (Since „oder“ changes a statement into a question, word order doesn’t change)

Just for example

[onyx rain]

I see I was listening to this https://radiolingua.com/2013/02/lesson-04-coffee-break-german/

[swift bough]

It’s kinda like the only part of that sentence that’s a question is „oder“

[onyx rain]

its at 9:45

[swift bough]

Ok let me listen

[scenic drift]

"Ich komme aus Deutschland, aber jetzt wohne ich in Österreich"

the word order has changed because of the "jetzt"

[swift bough]

^

I don’t even remember why that happens I just know it does

[scenic drift]

thinking about "verb placement", it's because jetzt takes first position so the verb goes in second position

"Jetzt wohne ich in Österreich" and "Ich wohne jetzt in Österreich" are both fine ways to say the same thing

[swift bough]

Also both work directly after „aber“

[scenic drift]

genau

[onyx rain]

oh it was too specific, sorry for all the trouble, I just took it as general rule that with aber we move the verb at the second postion

[icy flax]

Interesting. In my language the first one would be "you (still) have your room to clean up". Does not mean tho you acquired a room solely to clean it. I'd like a native to confirm whether they are not the same in this "have to/must to"-meaning we're talkin about here. Idk either whether you might've meant that they're intrinsically different or what. (Ping me pls!)

[tough rock]

Hi, I actually wrote this this morning and I just noticed that it should be „um es [das Zimmer] aufzuräumen.
I also don’t quite understand when you say that not every sentence can be used with „um“. Here though, I‘d say that it has a similar meaning to „damit“.

[long whale]

No, what you've been told was all good. :) @icy flax

"Du hast dein Zimmer, um aufzuräumen" = you've got your room in order to busy yourself cleaning up (sole reason for having a room = to practice cleaning up)

"Du hast dein Zimmer, um es aufzuräumen": sole reason for having a room = to clean it up

[tough rock]

Ich habe noch nie "Du hast dein Zimmer, um aufzuräumen" gehört! Es klingt für mich auch irgendwie... ungrammatikalisch. Ich kann es aber gerade nicht erklären.

[icy flax]

Not that it cannot, but that it need not.

I guess it was another Native, not Susana, who told us, peopled do ommit the "um" in some sentences, where there should in fact be one.

[icy flax]

Space, ich nehme an, dass du Englisch-Muttersprachler bist, sagt man einfach nicht "u still habe your room to clean up b4 going out w ur friends, young one!"?

[tough rock]

hmmm, interessant. Aber wie gesagt, ich habe das noch nie in meinem Leben gehört. Leider kann ich mich momentan nicht mehr darüber informieren, weil ich in der Prüfungsphase stecke.

[tough rock]

idk I am a German native

[icy flax]

Well... Maybe Nate will wake up soon and give his thoughts in this journey 😹

[tough rock]

I am intrigued, tbh. I just can't explain it and it drives me a little insane 😂

[fervent kernel]

Anzahl an etwas.
is etwas in akkusativ or dativ?

[tough rock]

Wenn ich mich nicht irre, Dativ

[icy flax]

Space, gleichfalls bei einem complexeren Satz?

"Junge, du hast halt noch dein ganzes Zimmer da oben, um aufzuräumen, bevor du wirklich frei zum Spielen bist."

[tough rock]

hmmm, ich würde definitiv "Junge, du hast halt noch dein ganzes Zimmer da oben aufzuräumen, bevor du ..." bevorzugen, aber vielleicht ist das auch nur eine stilistische Sache. Dieses "um aufzuräumen" passt für mich ganz und gar nicht. Aber ich würde gerne mal von anderen Muttersprachlern hören. Vielleicht ist es auch einfach nur für mich "komisch"

[carmine cairn]

"um aufzuräumen" klingt für mich auch komisch

[tough rock]

Also es klingt nur in diesem Kontext extrem seltsam.
Um aufzuräumen, braucht man einen Staubsauger ist für mich akzeptabel oder halt Man braucht eine Staubsauger, um aufzuräumen

[carmine cairn]

ja, in anderem Kontext passt es schon. Susana hat ja weiter oben auch schon andere Bedeutungen erwähnt bei denen es passen würde

[trail harness]

Wo ist Österreich? Ist es groß oder klein im Vergleich zu Deutschland?

[scenic drift]

Ich bin sicher, dass es im Internet Karten gibt? 😉

[trail harness]

Oof

[slim yew]

isnt "village" in german simply "dorf" ?

[scenic drift]

yes, but it's in the genitive here (you can tell because its article is "des"). the genitive declension of "Dorf" is "Dorfes" or "Dorfs" :)

[slim yew]

my brain is broken at this point

[scenic drift]

but you understand my explanation? :P

or no

[slim yew]

yes

i understand

i remember this (the ATM)

[scenic drift]

yeah, different nouns have different declinations

Automat is one of the ones that gets -en in every case other than the nominative

Dorf is "Dorf" in all cases other than the genitive :)

[slim yew]

:)

[scenic drift]

(or rarely "Dorfe" in the dative)

[night dagger]

FWIW i've been told by multiple people to focus on getting good command over the first 3 cases (nom, dat, akk) before worrying too much about genitiv. it's good to know that genitiv exists, and how it works, but dativ can often replace it.

[fervent kernel]

thanks. finde leider nichts dazu online

[scenic drift]

interesting. i found the genitive much easier to use than the dative.

(+ learn)

[night dagger]

🤷 multiple people have told me that, including two professional german teachers. however, it could be a matter of opinion.

[slim yew]

there are no apostrophes in german so we use genitive
im just not familiar with it

[heavy stratus]

I've heard that the genitive can be replaced with the dative, but idk how that's possible. How else would one be able to say stuff like 'of the' without it? 🧐

[scenic drift]

"von"? :P

[night dagger]

there's a whole book on it

das Auto von dem Mann

das Auto des Mannes

[heavy stratus]

Isn't das Auto des Mannes genitive?

[bold sapphire]

des Mannes sein Auto

[scenic drift]

yeah, and the "von dem" is the dative alternative

[heavy stratus]

Oooh I see the comparison liebe was making

[night dagger]

this looks like a combination of genitiv and dativ lol

[heavy stratus]

Hm, I guess von does work

Wie schade. Ich will den Genitiv nicht sterben 😔

[bold sapphire]

There are multiple ways to say that something belongs to someone, that is one (very complicated and unusual) way

[night dagger]

super interesting

how would you describe it, grammatically?

[bold sapphire]

I'm bad with linguistic terms lol

[night dagger]

no worries, i still appreciate the example

literally never seen that before

[bold sapphire]

it's very rare for people to say it that way

it might even be a regional thing

[night dagger]

would "dem Mann sein Auto" be correct as well?

[bold sapphire]

that's another possibility

[night dagger]

less wordy than "das Auto von dem Mann"

while still using dativ

[bold sapphire]

des Mannes Auto is also correct

but that's very dialectal

[night dagger]

that's just using genitiv tho, right?

[bold sapphire]

idk my linguistic terms

but I guess so

[dim fjord]

Hallo, Können sie mir helfen, um diese Redemittel (?) zu lernen?
1.die Gedanken treiben lassen
2.sich von der Muse küssen lassen
Wenn Sie erklären mit der Beispielsätze, wird besser für mich .

[long whale]

= I don't want to die the genitive ;)

[long whale]

No. In Standard German, definitely not. It is often used in certain dialects, though. :)

[heavy stratus]

Haha. Ich meine, ich will den Genitiv nicht zu sterben

[long whale]

This is probably the form most often used in spoken German, yes. However, every time you need to indicate possession more than once, as for example in "my father's car's tyres/my father's car tyres", using von + Dativ gets quite awkward: die Reifen vom Auto von meinem Vater is such a mouthful, compared to die Reifen vom Auto meines Vaters. ;)

[long whale]

Uh - what you mean is Ich will nicht, dass der Genitiv stirbt (no, no other way to say this in German, since main clause and subordinate clause have different subjects) ;)

[scenic drift]

would "Ich will den Tod [or das Sterben?] des Genitivs nicht" work?

[heavy stratus]

I like the cheeky use of the genitive there

[scenic drift]

precisely hehe

[heavy stratus]

Thanks. I'll do my best not to forget that next time I construct sentences

[long whale]

Kind of. Sounds quite awkward, though. 🤔

[scenic drift]

mostly i wanted to shoe-horn the genitive in there hehe

[long whale]

To make it less awkward, you'd have to rephrase it as "Ich wünsche dem Genitiv nicht den Tod" - but that would slightly change the meaning, I'd say (I don't wish death on the genitive?)... 🤔

[heavy stratus]

Doesn't that remove the genitive?

[long whale]

Yeah. I wasn't the one intent on using it. ;)

[night dagger]

ein typisches Beispiel lol

[regal chasm]

ist passiert

[whole sonnet]

Hat oder ist passiert

[regal chasm]

oder hat passiert

[oak thicket]

Ich bin mir sicher

ist passiert

isr richtig

[regal chasm]

dort ist ein Unglück passiert

[oak thicket]

Es ist passiert , weil er versucht hat uns zu helfen.

[regal chasm]

scheib susane

bitte

[long whale]

Er hatte die Brücke schon passiert, als das Unglück geschah

He had already passed the bridge when the accident happened

ist passiert = happened

hat passiert = passed (through)

[oak thicket]

Danke schön

[whole sonnet]

Deshalb ich ein Muttersprachler bin

[oak thicket]

hahahahahahah

Deshalb bin ich ein Muttersprachler

😆

[icy flax]

Besser das "habe um zu infinitiv" zu vermeiden dann. Danke, @carmine cairn und @tough rock

[night dagger]

i asked a native last night and they said "alles wird gut sein" and "es wird alles gut sein" would also be included in that 🙂

[slim yew]

genitive alternate = von + "the" ?

[night dagger]

"von" is a dative preposition, it technically translates to "from"

[slim yew]

ok

[night dagger]

i think misread that question, but yeah the dativ alternative to genitiv would be "von article noun"

like this example:
das Auto von dem Mann
das Auto des Mannes

the car from/of the man

https://www.dict.cc/?s=von

[heavy stratus]

Danke für die weitere Vorschläge

[night dagger]

kein Thema

[delicate tiger]

other version: dem Mann sein Auto (dialect, good to recognise, don't use in Standard)

[winter hamlet]

using Dativ instead of Genetiv is ghetto

[night dagger]

making statements like that is classist? lol

[forest scarab]

why do i have to use "Welchen" for the second question

[night dagger]

Den Wein

hmm

[forest scarab]

the rest are as normal

was it a typo perhaps?

[night dagger]

i think it has something to do with gern and magst

ok yeah so

"ich mag den Wein"

"Welchen Wein magst du?"

so those are akkusativ

and "Der Wein ist gut"

"Welcher Wein ist gut"?

those are nomativ

[forest scarab]

OOOOO i seeee

thank you!

[winter hamlet]

genitive is harder, thus if you can't speak properly you'll want to help yourself with 'alternate' constructions instead

[night dagger]

no worries, just saying that "ghetto" is probably not the best way to describe that. 🙂

[proven sphinx]

It's just dialectal. Some dialects don't have the genitive at all.

[winter hamlet]

which?

[proven sphinx]

e.g. Swiss German: "Das isch em Peter siis Auto" (wörtlich: "Das ist dem Peter sein Auto.")

[proven sphinx]

Most Southern German dialects, including Austrian and Swiss German dialects.

[winter hamlet]

well, they wouldn't pass B2 then

[proven sphinx]

Are you trying to be offensive? Everyone who can speak a dialect can also speak Standard German.

Dutch also tends to use these kinds of constructions, but that doesn't mean that Dutch is somehow inferior to German. LOL.

[winter hamlet]

No, it's a different language.

[proven sphinx]

Well, most dialects are basically a different language as well. It's just that they haven't been standardized.

Like, Luxembourgish is basically a German dialect, but it's considered a language because Luxembourg made it an official language. Kek.

In any case, yes, don't use those constructions in Standard German.

[winter hamlet]

Iirc the line between language and dialect is: Dialects have a different vocabulary but use identical grammar.

But of course using dativ is valid

[proven sphinx]

I'm a linguist, and I can tell you that the only real difference between a dialect and a language is politics. As the saying goes: a language is a dialect with an army and a navy.

Where you want to draw the line is completely arbitrary.

[winter hamlet]

mhm, categorization of terminology is normative.. something being decided upon, doesn't mean there can't be a common standard

[proven sphinx]

Generally, a dialect is not standardized. There is no codified standard for how to write it, for example.

That is indeed the case for e.g. Swiss German.

[winter hamlet]

in fact i believe most scholary sciences spend an exorbitant amount of time drilling their terminology into students, as opposed to teaching them any content driven information

[heavy stratus]

I'm not convinced dialectical differences boil down to politics

[proven sphinx]

Tell that to "Serbian, Croatian and Bosnian", which are by all means the same language, but the speakers consider them different languages simply due to politics.

Same with Indonesian and Malay.

[winter hamlet]

it's simple enough to test if two groups share identical grammar rules or not tho

[proven sphinx]

Dude, that's not how it works at all. Where do you even get that from?

[winter hamlet]

from some language scientist who tried to categorize all the languages all over the world and explained how it is possible to differentiate between language and dialect

[heavy stratus]

Can you expand on this? Do you mean they're the same syntactically and in vocabulary, but political differences make speakers think they're different?

[proven sphinx]

The difference lies in maybe a few words here and there, but the grammar is identical and like more than 95% of the words are the same as well.

@winter hamlet

[delicate tiger]

I think that is used all along the Rhine

[heavy stratus]

At the moment, I see one thing and fail to see another. I see a thesis without justification (the idea that distinctions between the terms 'language' and 'dialect' are arbitrary). I also don't see how the only valid difference between a language and a dialect is politics. Then again I do bear in mind I only asked you to clarify your position, so thanks for the excerpt

[proven sphinx]

Science is not as clear as school textbooks like to make it appear. The thing is that linguists disagree on the exact definition of a dialect vs a language. In fact, most linguists just don't see it as a useful distinction.

There are simply no universal criteria for distinguishing a language from a dialect.

It's funny how non-linguists seem to insist on there being a clear and obvious difference between a dialect and a language, but that difference only really exists in non-scientific contexts.

[swift bough]

I think there's at least a difference if you look at 2 languages from completely different language families

Chinese is not a dialect of English

[proven sphinx]

Well, then yeah, they are obviously two different languages. But the distinctions become unclear the more closely related the two languages you're comparing are.

[swift bough]

Yeah, true

[heavy stratus]

I haven't insisted anything, for the record. I'm pointing out two things. I haven't seen anything to suggest that distinctions between language and dialect are arbitrary. The other thing, which is more interesting, is that the only real distinction is political. All I have is your assertion about the thoughts of people in Croatia etc :/

[swift bough]

It reminds me of the same thing every single time because I find it so interesting - Bavarian is linguistically more different than Standard German than Norwegian and Danish I think it was

[proven sphinx]

Linguistic distance, mutual intelligibility, linguistic authorities and political factors. Those may all play a role on whether someone considers something a dialect or not. But the thing is that they're not universally accepted.

Like, Swiss German has a low linguistic distance from Standard German, it's somewhat mutually intelligible with Standard German, it looks towards Standard German as a linguistic authority (e.g. dictionaries) and it's not politically recognized as a different language.

So that means that it may be a dialect, but then again all it would take is for Switzerland to recognize Swiss German as an official language, and then suddenly it would be a language.

[heavy stratus]

That's lowkey inspiring since I want to learn Norwegian after my German is good enough (so in like 4 years)

[swift bough]

When I read or listen to Swiss German, I would agree, it's somewhat intelligible. What is really difficult isn't usually the accent or different pronunciation, it's the different vocabulary and slang

[proven sphinx]

Well, that isn't actually the case for Swiss German at all.

Vocabulary is like 95% the same. Grammar is mostly the same (just without Präteritum or genitive).

It's the pronunciation that makes it hard for many Germans to understand Swiss German.

[swift bough]

With my very limited exposure to it that's how it felt lmao

I guess I have seen it written more than heard it too

[proven sphinx]

Like, it's not trivial for a German to recognize "Huus" as "Haus" or "Ziit" as "Zeit", especially if they're from the North.

[swift bough]

Well, it probably gets easier if they understood the context, right?

[heavy stratus]

The essence of your point was that the only real distinction is political, which is the interesting/fun part that I want to get to. Is this universally accepted? If not, does that not make the political distinction arbitrary under your framework?

[proven sphinx]

No, that's not universally accepted. In fact, linguists consider Serbian, Croatian and Bosnian to be just one language: Serbo-Croatian. But politically, they're different languages.

[swift bough]

So if you speak Serbian, you are automatically multilingual, politically

[proven sphinx]

They can understand like 100% of Croatian or Bosnian, no joke.

[swift bough]

No I believe you, it's just funny

I've never known that

[proven sphinx]

Basically, they say Croatian and Serbian are different languages because like one or two words are pronounced slightly differently. LOL.

The speakers themselves, I mean. Or at least the lawmakers.

[swift bough]

They must take great pride in their own couple of pronunciation differences

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, that's pretty much how it goes...

[swift bough]

Well, I take pride in my accent as well, even if I don't think it's anything special.

[proven sphinx]

The written language used can also influence that perception. Hindi and Urdu are written with a different alphabet, but they're really just one and the same language.

[swift bough]

You know what I forgot to do that just randomly occurred to me is I forgot to listen to your pronunciations of worden and wurden on my PC

And I can do it rn

[proven sphinx]

Oh, that was a while ago, wasn't it? LOL.

[swift bough]

Yeah but my brain decided to remind me of it I guess

[proven sphinx]

You still can't tell the difference between the two?

[pale moat]

I remember that lol

[swift bough]

Well I don't know.

At the time I was listening to it on my phone in a sort of loud parking lot, without headphones

So that's why I wanted to listen to it at home

[proven sphinx]

Do you have it saved or should I re-record it?

[swift bough]

I think I found it actually

[proven sphinx]

All right.

[swift bough]

The only difference I hear is how your voice went a bit higher as you pronounced wurden, and with worden it was the opposite. Otherwise I can't hear any difference

[proven sphinx]

Interesting.

[heavy stratus]

If it's not universally accepted, then doesn't it hold just as much water as the other distinctions you mentioned (like mutual intelligibility etc), making it not a real distinction but another arbitrary one?

[swift bough]

Good thing the words aren't interchangeable, so you always know what someone is saying anyway

[proven sphinx]

Uh, yes?

[proven sphinx]

It's weird that you can distinguish a ton of other sounds but not those two in particular.

[swift bough]

They sound the exact same to me

[proven sphinx]

Simply, the "ur" is closer to an "oo" whereas the "or" is close to an "oh".

[heavy stratus]

Would you still agree with this statement then? Also, this probably should've left questions lol, now that I think of it

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, I'd agree.

[swift bough]

oo like in too?

[proven sphinx]

Yeah.

[icy flax]

Just to add to that that Linguists too. In fact, I can name three of them. One (Professor in Brazil) studies the riograndensser dialect in south Brazil for over 20 years. Another is also a Professor in linguistics, she taught in Brazil, Portugal and Germany. Now she is in Singapure. The third might not have finished her doctors yet.

[swift bough]

I don't know how you pronounce "too" but I don't here that sound coming from "ur"

hear*

[proven sphinx]

Well, maybe it's closer to the "hook" vowel, especially in casual speech.

[swift bough]

that sounds more accurate

[proven sphinx]

It's exactly the same as the pronunciation of "poor" in some dialects.

So those that don't say it like "pore".

Can you hear the difference between "Uhr" and "Ohr", then?

[swift bough]

That's funny....I think with poor / pore there is a small difference as well in pronunciation but it's more to do with what seems to be the case imo with wurden / worden, where it seems like you move your voice up or down depending on the word

[swift bough]

Yeah that one is easy

For some reason

[proven sphinx]

Hmm, I'll try to say it without changing my tone then...

https://voca.ro/17csfQQaMCvN

[heavy stratus]

Okay Raben, letzte Träumerei aus mir - ich verspreche! When one concedes that the political distinction holds just as much water as linguistic distance, mutual intelligibility etc but also claims that a political distinction is the only real distinction, it appears like cognitive dissonance to me. If the factors are equal in their level of distinguishing a language from a dialect (i.e. they hold just as much water as each other), then they must logically all be real distinctions. Of course, if you were saying 'I agree' to the fact that this discussion should've left questions, then yea ignore that :p

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, yeah, I was wrong. Now let's leave it at that.

Let's pretend I never said that a political distinction was the only real distinction. 😛

@swift bough https://voca.ro/1f5D3nrES8MP

A bit more slowly.

[swift bough]

Ok I can hear it now Raven

[proven sphinx]

lolwut

[swift bough]

Yeah

[heavy stratus]

Also gut. eine interessante Diskussion aber. Sie macht spaß

[swift bough]

I promise you I'm not even trolling

[proven sphinx]

You can hear it in my second recording as well?

[swift bough]

Yeah I can

[proven sphinx]

That's very interesting indeed. LOL.

[swift bough]

Imo the difference is still really small

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, I guess it is.

[swift bough]

But I can hear it

[proven sphinx]

https://voca.ro/1f5D3nrES8MP

Exactly same sound.

For "Uhr" and "Ohr".

[swift bough]

I think I've only ever heard the words when people were using them in actual sentences, it never occurred to me that they actually sound different because I never heard them next to each other

[proven sphinx]

You can tell the difference between "offen" and "Ofen"?

Or "Hölle" and "Höhle"?

https://voca.ro/1opRMUsXStHa

[swift bough]

I listened to them on dict.cc to make sure and those ones are more obvious sounding to me

[proven sphinx]

Any other sounds you have trouble distinguishing?

[swift bough]

also in your recording it is obvious

I don't know, I may have to think about it for a sec

[pale path]

@proven sphinx kannst du mir paar fragen zu rechtschreibung beantworten? z.b.:
Der Junge ist der L/letzte. L groß oder klein?

[proven sphinx]

Normalerweise, wenn es "der/die/das" davor hat, dann schreibt man es groß.

Dasselbe gilt auch für "etwas/nichts/alles"

[pale path]

ok, dann denke ich mal groß. dann hier die restlichen fragen:
Das Drei-zu-Eins/Drei zu Eins ließ die Zuschauer jubeln.
Ein Ritter flieht als L/letzer.
Schon mal was von N/nachdenken gehört?
Nein heißt N/nein.

[near folio]

du hast eine angenehme Stimme, Herr Raben

[proven sphinx]

Danke. Das haben mir eigentlich schon recht viele hier gesagt. LOL.

[proven sphinx]

Immer die erste Option.

Es sollte aber "Letzter" sein.

[pale path]

ah, danke, das hilft mir. wie nennt man eigentlich die regel, dass bei "Schon mal was von N/nachdenken gehört?" Nachdenken groß geschrieben wird?

[proven sphinx]

Nominalisiertes Verb

[pale path]

ah danke 😄

hm, noch eine frage: wie heißt die regel, dass bei "Nein heißt Nein." das zweite nein groß geschrieben wird? oder ist das nur eine konvention?

[near folio]

du könntest mal ein bisschen Kohle mit deiner Stimme verdienen, indem du Bücher vorliest oder Schlaflieder für Babys oder so singst!!

[proven sphinx]

LOL. Danke, das werde ich mir merken. 😂

[proven sphinx]

Ich glaube nicht, dass es eine gute Regel dafür gibt. Das wird einfach bei "Ja" und "Nein" so gemacht, denn "Nein heißt Nein" ist eigentlich kurz für "Ein Nein heißt ein Nein".

[pale path]

ah danke, immer wieder interessant ^^

[proven sphinx]

Vor allem bei Wahlen, da dann Ja und Nein natürlich für Ja-Stimme oder Nein-Stimme stehen.

[pale path]

aber da hängt das doch hauptsächlich von "Stimme" ab, oder? also mit fester regel

[icy flax]

Raben, du sprichst Portugiesich auch, oder?
Sagst "wûrden" und "wórden"? Das ist was ich höre.

[ripe snow]

i wrote « wir kennen nicht den Rhein » but it marked it as wrong, from which it wrote that the good answer was « wir kennen den Rhein nicht »

and so i was wondering why is it wrong to put « nicht » right after « kennen » ?

[pale moat]

im pretty sure it isnt wrong per se to do what you did, but generally if the object has a definite article it goes before and if it is indirect it goes after

[plain umbra]

When you write something like "Wir kennen nicht den Rhein" it makes it sound like something else is coming after it. Like usually if you use this nicht placement, it's for the sentence of form:
"Wir kennen nicht den Rhein, sondern die Donau."

@ripe snow

[proven sphinx]

Ja, mehr oder weniger.

[ripe snow]

@plain umbra @pale moat thanks to both of you 😄

[scenic drift]

Is the use of "gesagt zu bekommen" common in the sense of "to be told"? Why not eg "damit mir gesagt wird"?

[long whale]

Uh... yes. The "regular" passive (as in: damit mir gesagt wird) is used a lot less frequently in German than in English. In written German, the active form is stylistically preferable (or so I was told by each and every one of my teachers at school). Passive with werden/wurden is most often used by government agencies (Behördendeutsch). In spoken German, we preferably use some sort of Ersatzpassiv like the one in your picture. :)

[scenic drift]

gotcha. thanks for explaining, i wasn't aware there was a stylistic preference. guess i need more exposure to the passive

[mighty dust]

You're a level C in German?? Damn

[scenic drift]

are those sarcastic finger guns because i didn't know that, or a compliment for being C level? 😉

[mighty dust]

I don't think they're sarcastic, it's more of a "damn that's so cool" kinda thing

[scenic drift]

gotcha

thank u

i'll get to C2 one day!

[grizzled ridge]

Let’s merge our essences into a C2 beast

[fervent kernel]

if you add me into it you'll finally reach your Ziel 👀

[grizzled ridge]

We’d become a D1 beast

[icy flax]

Noch Raum für einen Zuspätkommender? Bald sind wir in der Lage, die Nativ-Grenze zu übertreten.
(überzutreten?)

[bright sorrel]

is there any particular reason why the article for Mädchen is das, even though das is for neutral nouns?

[scenic drift]

because Mädchen ends in -chen, which is an ending that means it's a neuter noun

the gender of a noun isn't necessarily the gender of the thing it's referring to

[bright sorrel]

ok, got it

[tough rock]

lol imagine if it were... der Tisch, die Flasche, die Tür... interesting shapes they'd have

[vagrant tulip]

Hey did i choose the correct Präpositions in all the cases?

[slim yew]

i cant read cursive help

[scenic drift]

i'll have a go:
Hausaufgabe für Donnerstag
1 Diktatberichtigung
2 Gedicht lernen
3 Lesen der Kurzgeschichte ?

• Biographie des Autors
• Zeit und Ortsbestimmung
• Inhaltsangabe
• Charakterisierung der ?
• Versuch einer Interpretation
• Transfer auf die Gegenwart(?)

[slim yew]

i wonder is this a lot of homework

[scenic drift]

where is this from? :P

[scenic drift]

that lets me add "Kurzgeschichte von" and "Charakterisierung der Haupt?"

still missing what the story is and whose Charakterisierung they want

[delicate tiger]

3 Lesen der Kurzgeschichte von B...

• Charakterisierung der Hauptf[igur]

[scenic drift]

yeah Hauptfigur would be my guess there too

[slim yew]

https://youtu.be/lSyyhkKSoMY its from here

at the end u will see the teacher giving them homework

[delicate tiger]

❌ : in sein Zimmer, vor einen Monat, an die Stirn, mit der Aufräumen, mit dem Aufsätzen, in einer Mappe, unter den Teppich [you need to check the two-way-prepositions, missing the last one]

[slim yew]

i hate this kind of questions

[vagrant tulip]

wait did i get all those u wrote incorrect?

[delicate tiger]

yes

[vagrant tulip]

whatt

what is two way prepositions?

[scenic drift]

it's a preposition that takes either the dative or the accusative case

[vagrant tulip]

ye i got the thing when it moves to a direct goal its akkusativ

and etc.

ik thx

wrong

[delicate tiger]

https://wortwuchs.net/grammatik/wechselpraeposition/ a link I found by quick googling

[vagrant tulip]

wow nice

[vagrant tulip]

how is mit dem Aufsätzen und mit der Aufräumen wrong?

u sure

[delicate tiger]

"die Aufsätze" is plural, "das Aufräumen"

[scenic drift]

what's the gender of Aufsätzen and Aufräumen ?

[vagrant tulip]

Mask

[scenic drift]

they're plural

[vagrant tulip]

Aufräumen not

i didnt think

of that

ofc when it's plural

[scenic drift]

wait oops

Aufräumen isn't plural

it's neuter