questions-2

[strong bridge]

Oh sorry maybe bad example, what's this mean?

I didn't know that tho thank you

[feral relic]

Verb: gehen. We remove "en" so it is "geh"

[strong bridge]

Yes to leave stem, I used Gehe cause I saw their example underneath

Thought it was an example of when you could use e

[feral relic]

Ahhhh

[strong bridge]

Yes, not sure how to make one tho since I'm fairly certain you can't say Wart only Warte, so not sure when you could ever add an -e and it be not necessary

[feral relic]

Ahhhh I see your point... Well then I'll give you a better hint.
"Du wartest" you remove "st" and then you have: "Warte"

It's the same thing with gehen. Du gehst. Remove st and you will have "geh"

[plain umbra]

The rules I know are as follows:

• In the case of weak verbs, the form is the stem. Usually you have the option of adding an "-e"
• If the stem ends in -d, -t, -ig, or in -m or -n preceded by certain consonants (not -l- or -r-), you must add an -e
• Strong verbs that do not change the stem vowel at all in the present tense (e.g. "rufen"), or, in the "du"-form, change only by adding an umlaut (e.g. "fahren"), act just like weak verbs
• Strong verbs that change the stem vowel to "-i-" or "-ie-" retain that change in the "du"-imperative. Here you may not add an "-e"
  From this link: https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Imperative/Imperativ.html

[strong bridge]

Ah okay thank you both!

[feral relic]

Bruh isn't that too complicated ? XD

[plain umbra]

No?

[feral relic]

Maybe just for me👥

[plain umbra]

You don't have to memorize it. It's just to show that some verbs require the -e, some cannot have -e, and some are optional.

[strong bridge]

Is this just a lie then? In elevated language we often add an e to many verbs, but in colloquial speech we generally leave it off.

[feral relic]

I mean... You don't have to know that if you have that trick with removing the last letters. (St)

[feral relic]

No

[plain umbra]

If that's referring to all verbs, that's an oversimplification. @strong bridge

[strong bridge]

Ah okay thank you

[feral relic]

It's not a lie. But the version with removing st is better.

[strong bridge]

I never thought about removing st, better idea then thinking drop to stem if -d or -t add e, since I already know that without thinking the drop -st is much easier

[plain umbra]

@feral relic Harbh isn't asking about how to form imperative though. They're asking about when the -e is required vs optional or when you're allowed to drop it / add it.

And my post shows rules about when it's required, when it's not allowed, and when it's optional.

[strong bridge]

Is that site really good for grammar? I been using this https://deutsch.lingolia.com/en/grammar/verbs/imperative

[plain umbra]

I wanted to make sure Harbh understands that the question he's asking only applies to the ones where it's optional, not the other two groups.

[feral relic]

Yes I explained without any complicated rules xD

Drop the st

[plain umbra]

@feral relic No, you're totally missing the point of Harbh's question.

@strong bridge I think both sites are pretty good. I usually prefer to check out multiple sites and stick with the one with the best explanation.

For different topics.

Like maybe one site I use the prepositions page, a different site I use the imperative page, and so on.

[feral relic]

Ehh he was asking: "Why is it warte and not wart" I was like: "Just drop the st in wartest. So warte is what comes out"

[strong bridge]

I was confused if you could drop the -e in colloquial like you can but I also never knew it was just drop the -st (more convenient)

Like if Wart is correct

and if Warte

Like in colloquial language (since it says above)

[pale moat]

wart sounds wrong to me

oop

yes wart sounds very very wrong

[feral relic]

Warte

Ooh

[pale moat]

i wrote the wrong one

[heavy stratus]

Heidi says 'Warte' so I took that to be the correct version lol

[feral relic]

Warte is right XD

[feral relic]

And no, you can't drop the e.

[plain umbra]

That's because "Warte" is one where it's not optional. But "Geh(e)" is one where it is optional. It's not always optional. Only sometimes.

[strong bridge]

Ah okay

How come you can say: Gehe nach Hause I go home

[feral relic]

Idkkkk man. "Gehe Mal bitte" Sounds verrryy weird to me

[strong bridge]

I've never seen a construction like that so it must be very rare occasions

[pale moat]

contextual i assume

though i would also use geh there

when imperativ

[feral relic]

Depends on the context. You can say "Geh jetzt nachhause." And it could mean "I go home"

[strong bridge]

How come it means I, would it not be telling someone to go home?

Now go home

[feral relic]

Nope

[pale moat]

in context it could mean either

also ur tone

[strong bridge]

Does that go for almost all imperativ?

[feral relic]

No

You can't say "warte Mal" and talking about yourself

[strong bridge]

Lies das Buch! I'm reading the book! Read the book!

[feral relic]

Nope

[pale moat]

it's ich lese

so thats different

[feral relic]

Les' das buch

[pale moat]

the weird imperativ ones can never be misconstrued

[strong bridge]

Hm weird, Les' mean Ich lese?

[pale moat]

but you can say 'warte' and it would mean either, right?

[feral relic]

Ye

[feral relic]

No

Warte is only for the other person

[strong bridge]

Does that go for any apostrophe in that form like imperativ

[feral relic]

?

[pale moat]

is there no context where you would drop the preposition when using warte?

[strong bridge]

Fahr'

I travel

Like that

[pale moat]

warte auf ihn

[feral relic]

No. There is no context

[strong bridge]

Fahr' nach Deutschland

[feral relic]

Wait for him

[pale moat]

ah ok

[feral relic]

I think it depends on the context

But the "ich" is necessary

[pale moat]

'ich geh nach hause und warte auf ihn'

but thats different

[feral relic]

Oooohhhh that's completely different cuz it's an Aufzählung

[pale moat]

ya

[feral relic]

But yeah this could work

[strong bridge]

So does the apostrophe have any meaning?

[feral relic]

The ich is necessary there. "Ich fahr' nach Hause"

[strong bridge]

Since you can do Les' das Buch and Lies das Buch are different

[feral relic]

Yes

[pale moat]

lesen has an irregular imperativ so thats kinda a non issue

[feral relic]

That one letter is missing. Like instead of "ich gehe" you must write "ich geh'" because the e is missing

[strong bridge]

Ah so it's kind of "lazy" writing?

[feral relic]

Ich gehe
Coll: Ich geh'

[pale moat]

usually speaking but yes

[feral relic]

Yes

[pale moat]

both

[strong bridge]

Interesting, how come Lies' das Buch and Lies das Buch is different?

Oh

first is Liese das Buch right?

[feral relic]

But never do this in writing!!!! Always write "ich gehe"

[feral relic]

There is no Lies'

[strong bridge]

Oh my b I meant Les'

[feral relic]

Ahhh xD

Waitttttt

You can say both. Les das Buch and lies das Buch.

But if you say: "les' das buch hier" it means that you are reading a book

[strong bridge]

Hm so Les das Buch and Les' das Buch hier are different?

[feral relic]

Yes

In writing yes

But when you speak it always depends on your partner, the situation and co

[swift bough]

Unless you’re writing a book where people are talking to each other :p

[feral relic]

Yeah xD

Aber würde da trotzdem ich gehe präferieren xD

Z.b. in ner Deutscharbeit oder so

[strong bridge]

Hm okay, apostrophe is confusing, so basically Les' is like Lese, is there any grammar topic for apostrophe or name for it

Seems important in colloquial language

Just caught I messed up

[feral relic]

No

[pale moat]

i think its just something u'll pick up from talking to people

nothing you really need to study

you should just learn the correct way to say it

[feral relic]

We had apostroph at school too. We just said "apostrophieren"

[strong bridge]

The most confusing thing is Lies das Buch and Les' das Buch is different, the fact you can say Gehe nach Hause or Geh' nach Hause and it mean I'm going home

[feral relic]

Yeah

[strong bridge]

Just feels contradictory to imperativ

and hard to tell difference if that makes sense

[pale moat]

i dont really see how thats confusing tbh

lies is the imperative form

[feral relic]

Trust me it's not confusing. You'll always know in a conversation what the other side wants to tell you

[pale moat]

and lese is the 'ich' conjugation

[strong bridge]

What if it isn't an irregular verb tho isn't it a lot less obvious

[pale moat]

true but there's no way you wont get it from context

[strong bridge]

And that is fair, I can imagine that being the case but me writing it would be an issue or me trying to say something like that

[feral relic]

Just never do apostroph

[strong bridge]

lol wise

Be proper

[feral relic]

I never use them xD

Like this topic is pretty unnecessary tbh xD

[pale moat]

there are certain people here who use apostrophies a bit too much lol

learners i mean

[feral relic]

Ye

XD

[strong bridge]

Trying to look native maybe

[pale moat]

failing

lol

[feral relic]

Ich mein so, wer benutzt apostrophe.

And I didn't use apostroph. I bet you know what I said without putting a apostroph

Ich meine would be right. Or ich mein'. But I just wrote ich mein. And that's completely fine

[pale moat]

yeah, there is no ambiguity when the pronoun is there

[strong bridge]

Thank you both, good to know that geh' is gehe tho when I see it. Creating ambigious sentences like Gehe nach Hause I will just avoid

Yes pronouns really do help

Although I feel like people who are fluent get lazy (could be wrong)

[feral relic]

Yes

[strong bridge]

I don't speak proper English all the time

[pale moat]

and even when the pronouns are dropped i have never misunderstood from context

[feral relic]

It's true hahah

[strong bridge]

You're good at German tho, I not sure how obvious it'll be for me

Then again I mean it probably is pretty obvious

[pale moat]

no trust me you'll tell

[feral relic]

🤌 🇪🇺

[strong bridge]

Thank you both v much, avoid apostrophes be proper and imperativ isn't that hard basically

[pale moat]

im trying to think of something contextual in english that literally anyone could tell based on context

[strong bridge]

Hm

Are you serious?

can mean good or bad

[feral relic]

You get it👌

[strong bridge]

that's all I can think of that is contextual

[feral relic]

Ist das dein ernst?

What do you think. Positive or negative?

[pale moat]

it really does depend lol

[strong bridge]

Hmm, I not sure either

Leaning towards negative

It all depends on tone

[feral relic]

Nahhh for me it's ALWAYS a bad thing. If someone says " Is' das dein ernst?". I always know that I did sth wrong

[strong bridge]

Oh wow

Would that just be almost across the board in German

[feral relic]

Tell one situation where it could be positive xD

[strong bridge]

You wont the lotto asking someone

Are you serious?

[pale moat]

if someone said something funny thats obviously a lie, would you ever respond to them with 'ist das dein Ernst' in a joke-y way?

[feral relic]

Idk if it's just my gen. but we would say literally "really?"

[pale moat]

ah

cool

[feral relic]

Or not

Bruh

[pale moat]

lool

[feral relic]

Lol

[strong bridge]

lmao, love bruh

[pale moat]

yeah i would probably say bruh too

[strong bridge]

Don't need to think to say Bruh

[feral relic]

Shit

It's 2 am

I go to bed

Bye

XF

[strong bridge]

Gute Nacht!

[feral relic]

Gute Nacht!

[pale moat]

gute nacht

[dry lava]

Wenn jemand oberflächlich ist, denkt er nicht so gründlich ueber etwas nach?

[feral relic]

Wenn jemand Oberflächlich ist, dann ist er meistens genauso wie die anderen und sticht nicht viel aus der gesellschaft raus

@dry lava

[cloud robin]

Ich würde auch sagen, dass wenn jemand oberflächlich ist, dass er dann sich auch nicht genauer mit Sachen/Leuten befasst.

[dry lava]

Ich dachte, dass man sowas wie "ein oberflächlicher Gedanke" sagen kann. Aber jetzt sehe ich die echte Bedeutung

oder man kann?

[amber plover]

"Ich dachte, dass man [...] sagen kann"
"Ich dachte, man kann [...] sagen"
beides geht

[dry lava]

nee, ich meinte, ob ich "ein oberflächlicher Gedanke" sagen kann @amber plover

[fervent veldt]

Does Schatz take in ending if directed to a female?

[dry lava]

No

Just

Mein Schatz, for example

[dry lava]

Meine Gedanken darüber sind ausgetauscht/getauscht geworden

Gibt's den Unterschied im Sinne?

[delicate tiger]

"Ich habe meine Meinung dazu geändert"

[dry lava]

Ich habe in einem Lied gehört, dass der Sänger gesagt hat "Gedanken werden ausgetauscht". Deswegen interessierte mich, ob man sowas sagen kann, was ich geschrieben hab.
@delicate tiger

[fervent kernel]

Für mich hat das die Bedeutung, dass 2 oder mehr Leute ihre Gedanken miteinander teilen und diskutieren

[fervent veldt]

Is there a guide that helps with the usage of beginnen, starten, anfangen... etc?

Also verwenden, benutzen and nutzen

[proper wing]

beginnen is usually in relation to specific info, like something starting at a certain time/place

anfangen is something being done for the first time

and starten is more uncommon, maybe for sport

bu other than that theyre mostly synonyms, id say. im not a german learner though, so there might be sth im unaware of

[long whale]

Well, there's DWDS - unless a monolingual explanation won't help? The thing is, beginnen and anfangen are synonyms. Except anfangen is what's usually used in spoken German, while beginnen is usually only used in formal written German. starten is a different kettle of fish, it's only used when some actual running/racing starts, in a competition, or when you turn the car key in the ignition. verwenden and benutzen are mostly synonymous, but when something's being used up (like rice or salt in cooking) you'd use verwenden, not benutzen. You can pretty much forget about nutzen, it's a verb most often used in legalese, kind of like usufructu. :)

[proper wing]

:) thanks susana

[fervent veldt]

Thank you both. 😄

[torpid salmon]

Why is there no dativ "mit" example in this exercise? Or am I missing something? Does it mean "mit" like literally "with"?
Also, if the question is do you want x, I think to myself would the answer to that question begin with(mit) "Ich hätte gern.." then it is Akk. Is this a correct approach?

But I feel like I am missing something because it would be really dumb to put "mit" in the table and put no exercise with it.

[long whale]

Yup, correct approach. And no, as far as I can see, you didn't miss anything, there is indeed no example with "mit".

[torpid salmon]

Vielen dank.

[heavy stratus]

Wie und wo lernt es sich am besten: Mit dem Vokabelheft, mit Mindmaps und lauter Musik – oder vielleicht mit Gesten?

Lauter Musik? Sollte es nicht 'lauten' Musik sein, weil den Dativ benutzt war?

Warum Alan? Hilf mir verstehen, bitte :p

[fervent kernel]

there's no article so you need the ending in the adjective

der lauten Musik -> lauter Musik

[heavy stratus]

Ah that's interesting. I thought those contractions only worked with prepositions: in das --> ins. It didn't occur to me that adjectives also have this feature. Thanks blue!

[rough relic]

hullo, how would one say "this is so sweet ! thanks so much !"

(in written form if that makes any difference)

[long whale]

@rough relic How about if you try yourself, first? :)

[rough relic]

yeah sure : Das ist so süss ! Vielen dank

but how am i supposed to know if that's actually how ppl say it ?

[long whale]

Because now I'll tell you we'd rather say "Das ist [ja] so lieb von Dir/Ihnen! Vielen herzlichen Dank!" We use "süß" for "cute" (when we don't mean sugary-sweet). :) @rough relic

[night dagger]

what are some other examples where natives use "ja" like that?

[rough relic]

ah i see, thanks !

[eternal night]

Your form is totally fine as well btw

[fervent kernel]

hihi peeeps, why is there a sich in this sentence?
das wetter hat sich geändert
im guessing omitting the sich would make it incorrect?

It’s a passive sentence without the sich it would mean that the weather changed something else.

[swift bough]

^

But that something else would need to be in the sentence for it to make sense

[fervent kernel]

ah, that makes a lot of sense. thanks a lot @fervent kernel @swift bough

[swift bough]

np

[dry lava]

Does "austauschen" mean "exchange"?

[fervent kernel]

Yes

And not just exchanging goods, but also ideas and information

[dry lava]

In't it "to change"?

[fervent kernel]

Change is ändern / verändern

[fervent kernel]

Austauschen is more like exchange

[long whale]

That would be "wechseln". :)

[dry lava]

[slim yew]

we also use austauschen for exchanging money (into another currency)?

[fervent kernel]

Idk about austauschen in that context.
But to exchange currency I know for sure you can use wechseln and umtauschen/tauschen

Geld wechseln / Währung tauschen

[sleek swan]

ask more questions

[fervent kernel]

ich hätte eine Frage

[sleek swan]

Stelle deine Frage.

[fervent kernel]

the adjective "eigene". i've noticed that people dont use possessive pronouns before it

is there someting special about it or is it just umgangsprachlich?

zB someone said "das sind aus eigener Herstellung" instead of "aus meiner eigenen Herstellung"

is the possession implied with the word?

[dark swan]

Yes. "Eigene" means "my/our own".

[fervent kernel]

Well for example you often have goods that are either produced in a factory or "aus eigener Herstellung" which then means, that human hands built them. in that case, you don't use possessive pronouns

especially when it's an advertisement, e.g. in front of a small shop, like "Marmeladen aus eigener Herstellung"

[candid coyote]

dieser vs dieses vs diese? I don't understand the difference and how to use them. Are they genitive form? And are the variants used for the respective gender?

[glossy marsh]

They point to a noun.

Dieser Tisch ist toll.
This table is nice.
Masculine

Dieses Haus ist blau.
This house is blue.
Neuter

Diese Suppe ist lecker.
This soup is tasty.
Feminine

[fervent kernel]

Mir fehlt gar nichts nicht Spanish zu sprechen vermöge

Can someone tell me if that's grammatically correct

[dry lava]

It's danke schön, not dankeschön, right?

[ivory flame]

Yes

[dry lava]

fuf

thanks

[fervent kernel]

Both are correct actually

Dankeschön is a noun

[dry lava]

But in terms of saying "thank you"?

[long whale]

@fervent kernel That is incomprehensible, unfortunately. :) What are you trying to say?

[fervent kernel]

I am not missing out on not being able to speak Spanish

[scenic drift]

i'm not sure i can parse that in english, either

do you mean like "I am not missing out on anything by not being able to speak Spanish"?

[long whale]

If so ^^, possible sentences would be "Es stört mich nicht, kein Spanisch zu können" or "Ich empfinde es nicht als Nachteil, kein Spanisch zu können" :) @fervent kernel

Or maybe "Es ist kein Verlust für mich, kein Spanisch zu können".

A more literal, but also somewhat awkward translation would be "Ich verpasse nichts dadurch, dass ich kein Spanisch kann".

[fervent kernel]

Thanks

[thin prism]

Example:
Party a: "Party b? Forget it. They only do what they want anyway!!"
Party b: "Party a? Stop with them already. They only do something when they want to anyway."
How can I describe what these parties have in common? Like.. they think lowly of eachother? They also generalize eachother.. in a bad way. But I don't know how to put these together in a proper argument in German..

I feel like there would be a better way to describe what's happening though

"They see eachother in a bad light"...

Things like this

[fervent kernel]

danke schön.

[thin prism]

If the example is too general, I could send the exact one I have in the book.

I ended up writing "Das Volk (party a) als auch die Politikern (party b) haben einen allgemein herabstufenden Meinung voneinander."
I'm pretty sure that's not correct/doesn't really make sense in German though..
Edit: grammar

[long whale]

I think you're looking for "nicht viel von einander halten", but I'd phrase it as "Weder hält das Volk viel von Politikern, noch umgekehrt". :)

If its "they think little of each other" it would be "sie halten nicht viel von einander"

[thin prism]

THAT SOUNDS SO MUCH BETTER😭 😭 😭 tysm

[long whale]

Why are you crying? You're learning, aren't you? Here, have a 🧁 :)

[thin prism]

Thanks☺️

[fervent veldt]

Ich bin mir sicher oder Ich bin sicher ist mehr richtig?

[delicate tiger]

I'm sure/I'm safe

[fervent kernel]

Ich bin dabei / ich wäre dabei

Was ist der Unterschied?

[fallen nymph]

Die beide sind okay, aber mit K2 es ist höflicher oder nur irrealiches Satz / ein Wunsch

[glossy marsh]

The former.

[fervent kernel]

the subjunctive isnt one of my strong points so i cant really help, but since no one replied yet, i'd suggest reading on the topic again

[cyan raft]

You're looking for sollen, wollen, können

[long whale]

Um... either you know what the indicative is supposed to look like, in which case anything that doesn't look like indicative is subjunctive - or you don't, in which case you're going to need conjugation tables, anyway, aren't you? 🤔

[scenic drift]

... or verbs conjugated into their subjunctive forms without helper verbs (gäbe, for example)

[terse dove]

Hallo, ich habe eine Frage, ob man in der Testdaf Prüfung Bleistift im Teil Schriftlich Ausdruck benutzen darf

[fervent kernel]

naja im Allgemeinen gilt ein Bleistift als nicht dokumentenecht. also ich gehe stark davon aus dass man den nicht benutzen darf. An deiner Stelle würde ich eh einen regulären Stift benutzen wollen

[terse dove]

Wie kann ich dann korrektieren, wenn ich falsch mache:(

[fervent kernel]

wegstreichen

aber im Zweifelsfall kannst du immer die Prüfer / Aufsicht danach fragen, ob ein Bleistift doch ginge

[knotty adder]

Das stimmt^^, man darf einen Bleistift nicht benutzen. Wenn du was korrigieren willst, du kannst entweder wegstreichen oder ^ zeichnen, somit würdest du nicht falschliegen.

Und es geht ja nicht darum, keinen Fehler zu machen, sondern gut argumentieren zu können.

@terse dove

[terse dove]

@fervent kernel @knotty adder vielen Dank

[swift bough]

Übrigens, das was du geschrieben hast „korrektieren“ gibt es nicht. Du meintest wohl „korrigieren“ (wie @knotty adder auch verwendet hat) @terse dove

[proven sphinx]

Ein anderes Wort, das ähnlich funktioniert, ist "funktionieren" und "fungieren".

funktionieren = work, function

Mein Computer funktioniert nicht = My computer isn't working.

fungieren = act, function

Er fungierte im alten China als Berater des Kaisers.

Aber "korrektieren" gibt es tatsächlich überhaupt nicht.

[heavy stratus]

Sind die Bedeutungen von 'arbeiten' und 'fungieren' denn gleich, Raben?

[proven sphinx]

Ja, in dem Fall schon.

Aber nicht immer.

[heavy stratus]

Okay :p

[crimson canopy]

Hi :) Is there a difference in meaning (or correctness) between these two sentences? Or is it just that the first emphasises that the two adjectives are contradictory?

Zwar ist die Kleidung modern aber sie ist nicht schön
Die Kleidung is zwar modern aber sie ist nicht schön

[swift bough]

I‘m pretty sure the first sentence is just wrong.

Second one is good

[crimson canopy]

Weird, I'm learning about zwar...aber on Nico's Weg and came across it there. I was trying to understand why Zwar came at the start of the sentence here

[delicate tiger]

both work, but both need a comma after "modern"

[crimson canopy]

Ah okay, danke

[swift bough]

Interesting, good to know

I’ve never come across it formulated like that before

[near folio]

Or is it just that the first emphasises that the two adjectives are contradictory?
keiner hat dir diese Frage beantwortet, aber ich glaube, du hast da Recht. Wenn Satzteile nicht in der normalerweise erwarteten Reihenfolge sind, ist das Wort betont, das sich nicht in seiner normalen Stelle befindet.

[crimson canopy]

Danke sehr @near folio :)

[plush pelican]

Doing Duolingo, confused. English sentence: "This newspaper is published weekly."
Correct answer given: "Diese Zeitung erscheint wöchentlich."
My (incorrect) answer: "Diese Zeitung veröffentlicht wöchentlich."

I was told I need to add 'wird' to make it passive, but if that's the case, why does erscheint not need wird?

Also how do I know when a passive construction is needed?

[plain umbra]

Basically, they changed what verb they used for it. In English, they used passive, but in the German one, they used an active form.

Basically like "The newspaper comes out weekly." sorta thing.

[plush pelican]

But then why is my answer wrong, then?

If mine is only wrong because it's active, but their own answer is active...

[plain umbra]

Veröffentlicht is an adjective / past-participle, not a normal conjugated verb (if you're trying to make the newspaper the subject).

[plush pelican]

?

https://conjugator.reverso.net/conjugation-german-verb-veröffentlichen.html

veröffentlichen doesn't count as a verb?

[plain umbra]

If you use it as a normal verb, it means like "the man publishes the paper".

[ivory kestrel]

i was also going to say this base but i think it's er-form

but the newspaper is acting as a subject if veröffentlichen is used as the verb

[plain umbra]

It does, but then you're changing the meaning.

[ivory kestrel]

that logically doesn't make sense: "The newspaper is publishing"

whereas with erscheinen it's "The newspaper is being released"

[plush pelican]

Only if you interpret it as the -ing form. "The newspaper publishes" makes sense.

[plain umbra]

You mean the newspaper there as in the editing team?

[plush pelican]

What does it mean in English to say, "The newspaper publishes weekly"?

[plain umbra]

In the sentence, they're only talking about the paper thing, the physical newspaper. Not the company/team behind it.

English doesn't use that.

[plush pelican]

Yes it does

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS878US878&sxsrf=ALeKk01vpzVMaUOMKg4kQP-zklSzmb7QJw%3A1611216599127&ei=1zYJYL7pBvHL5gKL64LYAQ&q="the+newspaper+publishes+weekly"&oq="the+newspaper+publishes+weekly"&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoECAAQRzoICCEQFhAdEB5Q_wxYiBVglBpoAHACeACAAV-IAbEBkgEBMpgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQjAAQE&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwj-sK_IyazuAhXxpVkKHYu1ABsQ4dUDCA0&uact=5

[plain umbra]

In that case, they're talking about the company, not the physical object.

[plush pelican]

And Zeitung doesn't count as both in German?

[plain umbra]

I'm not sure, but in the English sentence you wrote, it's definitely the physical object.

"This newspaper is published weekly." only refers to the object.

A newspaper (the object) does not publish. It gets published by humans.
A newspaper (the company/group of people) publishes newspapers.

[ivory kestrel]

like base said, clearly they're meaning the company - whether this "team/object" distinction is more stringent in german, i'm not sure, but for duolingo's purposes they want you to focus on "the newspaper" as an object, so it cannot be the subject of a verb

[plush pelican]

So, to recap: The newspaper editors veröffentlichen the newspaper, but the newspaper can only erscheint.

[plain umbra]

Yeah, exactly.

[ivory kestrel]

erscheint makes more sense if you translate it as "appears" (i.e. it is an active verb)

[plain umbra]

Or if you wrote it passively (like we do in English): Die Zeitung wird wöchentlich veröffentlicht.

Which you don't need to know if you didn't learn passive yet.

[plush pelican]

But then if you say The newspaper wird veröffentlicht, that means ...

[plain umbra]

But that's just to show that you can also write it the same way English does.

[plush pelican]

Which you don't need to know if you didn't learn passive yet.

Well, that's kind of the problem with Duolingo; it doesn't teach you concepts, it just starts expecting you to know them. And apparently I need to know passive voice now.

[plain umbra]

If you're not ready to learn it yet, don't force yourself.

[plush pelican]

What I need is a real fucking textbook and not to scrounge around trying to figure out what Duolingo isn't telling me.

[plain umbra]

True. That's one of the main reasons people recommend dropping Duolingo pretty early.

You don't need a textbook, but using Duolingo as a guide is not the best.

[plush pelican]

I think I'm about at A2 level. What's a good guide for A2->B1?

[plain umbra]

I don't have a specific source but I can give you a list of grammar topics I wrote the other day.

[plush pelican]

Sure, why not

Thanks for your help, Base.

[plain umbra]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kz1Xqx0sFXAWys-Mgfhjc-M8JDCMtoeeGXcg5-orP_A/edit

[lusty quiver]

I have a question, base

[plain umbra]

Np. Sorry if it was a bit confusing at first, btw. I didn't realize at first how there are a few different meanings to consider for those words.

[lusty quiver]

I don’t know what I know and what I don’t know and I don’t have any sort of solid resource except for flashcards

And I don’t know what else to do other than go through the levels again

[plush pelican]

It's okay, I mostly blame Duolingo.

https://tenor.com/view/curse-you-dinkleberg-the-fairly-odd-parents-dad-mr-turner-angry-gif-15375777

[plain umbra]

@lusty quiver Can you tell me a bit about your German learning history? Did you take some breaks and that's why you're not sure?

[plush pelican]

Sounds like maybe they used mainly flashcards or something 😮

[lusty quiver]

Yeah, I was a German literature major in college but I took a two year break

And my vocab is horrible and my grammar is rusty

[plain umbra]

Okay, makes sense.

I can give some general advice as a starting point and then you can try it and see if it helps.

And then we can talk about it more afterwards.

[lusty quiver]

Alright, that’d be nice

[plain umbra]

First task:

• take that doc I just linked and use it as a checklist, check off every topic you know you understand
• if you're not sure if you understand a topic, try writing a sentence using that skill and see if you can do it (feel free to post some sentences here for corrections)
• whatever general area you find yourself starting to get confused, start there, even if it means reviewing some basics you think you already know

Second task:

• write a short text on anything you want, and you can use a dictionary, but try to be as correct grammatically as possible without using a translator - just use dictionary and, if you need, adjective declension chart
• post it in #writing for feedback and it should give you some insight into where your weak points are

[lusty quiver]

Alright, I’ll do that

Thanks :3

[plain umbra]

Np.

Btw, flashcards are good for vocab for most people, but if they don't work for you, try doing more reading (if you're at that level).

Reading is a great way to improve vocab over time, but it's not as efficient as flashcards.

[ivory kestrel]

@plain umbra do you help manage the server's resource list?

[plain umbra]

@ivory kestrel Yes.

[ivory kestrel]

i am just taking a look at the updated list and it's really nice

[plain umbra]

Thanks. 😊

[ivory kestrel]

i've seen a few people kinda ask for beginner's homework to do and i'm aware of the g drive posted in lessons

would you recommend sharing those with people even if they don't participate in the lessons?

[plain umbra]

Sure, it's totally fine to share it. I don't know how helpful it is on its own but there's nothing wrong with people trying it out.

There's only a few exercises for the lessons, but the idea of them is that they're designed to be inspiration for self-sufficient practice.

Since a lot of them are stuff like "learn 5 words related to your hobbies and write a sentence for each word" or whatever.

[clever estuary]

I'm learning German in school rn for 3 years and I would say i'm at an A2 ish level so there are any books that would aid in my progression, i would greatly appreciate it!

[long whale]

@clever estuary Do you mean language learning books, or just books you could read? If it's the latter, I warmly recommend reading comics, particularly classics, like Lucky Luke or Asterix or Mickey Mouse - they're very well translated, there's lots of dialogue in them, and of course, the pictures help you to understand what's going on. :)

[clever estuary]

ok ill check it out!

[crimson canopy]

As someone who is between A1 and A2 atm, this looks super useful! Thanks ❤️

[plain umbra]

Np, glad to help. 🤗

[mossy sierra]

Can I get help with my German A1 final 😅

[scenic drift]

we don't help with homework/exams here 😉

[strong bridge]

Mein Bruder, der viel Kaffee trinkt, hat Kaffee auf dem Weg zu Hause nicht getrunken

Is this okay?

And it is der in Relativsatz (Nominativ, Masc) because it refers to topic of the sentence right?

[fallow ledge]

Be careful of zu Hause (at home) vs nach Hause (to home)

[strong bridge]

Ah okay yes, slipped my mind thank you

[fallow ledge]

And i would say „hat keinen Kaffee auf dem Weg nach Hause getrunken“

The Relativsatz was

[glossy marsh]

^

[strong bridge]

Does it sound better with keinen? I had kein but didn't wanna mess up declining it and danke! I'm glad

[fallow ledge]

Yes it sounds much better with keinen

[strong bridge]

Ah okay does that go with any lack of noun?

He had no dinner for example

[fallow ledge]

Thats a good way to think of it

[strong bridge]

That's probably a bad example, but perfect

[fallow ledge]

The presence of the noun being negated uses kein

[strong bridge]

Perfect, thank you!

[sudden cloud]

Oh, so you alwys place "nicht" in the end, before last verb

Ich habe nicht den Fussball gekauft oder Ich habe den Fussball nicht gekauft. So last sentence is the right one?

[fallow ledge]

Both are right

[sudden cloud]

so its a matter of taste?

[fallow ledge]

Partly, the first one feels like it needs sondern to follow

It depends on what your negating

In the first one its the soccer ball

Ich habe nicht den Fußball gekauft, sondern den da.

And the second just neutrally negates the whole sentence

[sudden cloud]

and what does "sondern den da" mean

[fallow ledge]

No emphasis

[glossy marsh]

It does need sondern. The first sentence, as it stands, does not appear or sound correct to me.

[fallow ledge]

Cool, had a sneaking suspicion

[glossy marsh]

(Not this one) but that one.

[sudden cloud]

So: I have not bought THAT football, but the one next to it

[glossy marsh]

Yes.

[sudden cloud]

but dont you use I habe nicht dieses Futball gekauft, sondern den da

the dieses tells its that one

right

so not den Fusball but dieses ?

Or both correct

[fallow ledge]

Fußball is der, it would be diesen (masc. accusative)

Dies is more like „this“ too

But like idk i find this and that rather interchangeable

Just a matter of distance

But yeah dies is more like „this“

[sudden cloud]

it's not about this or that, but this/that or the

[glossy marsh]

Diesen
This one: I bought this one.

Dies
This: This is not a pipe.

[sudden cloud]

Is "Dies" not just a different word for "dieses"

[fallow ledge]

I just used dies to avoid writing all the declensions

[sudden cloud]

How can you use sein with an article

[long whale]

You don't, usually (that's why there's a "-" in all of the columns). It is possible, however, where you'd say "his [one]" in English: Er hat meinen Stift genommen, denn der seine (alternatively and much more common: seiner) war kaputt. (He took my pen, because his [one] was broken.) @sudden cloud

[sudden cloud]

and what does denn mean

"because"?

[long whale]

because

[sudden cloud]

ok

[long whale]

I mean, I did provide a translation...

[sudden cloud]

oh, wow

and wouldnt u say kaputt war and not war kaputt

[long whale]

denn vs weil -> different word order afterwards

after weil: subjunctive subordinate clause

after denn: main clause

[sudden cloud]

and subjunctive clause is what, accompaniments?

[heavy stratus]

That's when the verb gets put at the end of the clause after the conjunction.
Ich will eine Pizza mit Gemüse, weil ich kein Fleisch esse

[fervent kernel]

it's so frustrating to see how well people know German language rules if you're a German who considers himself good at the language lol

[long whale]

I'm so sorry! Just amended my post: not subjunctive, of course, it's subordinate clause

[prime belfry]

I just looked up the verb for thaw ‘auftauen’ would verbs like this never be conjugated like other german verbs?

Like you would you say auftaue or auftaust or is that wrong

[scenic drift]

auftauen is a separable verb, so in the present tense you would say for example ich taue auf, not ich auftaue.

[prime belfry]

Oh okay thanks, I’ll go learn how to use those now

[turbid jackal]

It might also be useful to know that "auftaue" is a form that can exist in subordinate clauses, but that for most use cases, like mikey said, you'll find "... taue auf"

[summer crystal]

Is the singular form of the adjective endings with no article really used?

Because it sounds strange to me to say "Er hat blaues Auto"; "Er hat ein blaues Auto" sounds much more natural.
But of course it all depends if the Germans themselves think it's natural or not.

[proven sphinx]

"Er hat blaues Auto" is definitely 100% incorrect.

[summer crystal]

Yeah, makes sense lol

[proven sphinx]

It makes no more sense than saying "He has blue car" in English.

However, in casual speech the "ein" is often shortened to "n", so it might sound like "Er hatn blaues Auto".

[summer crystal]

Oh, now that I see it, these endings are used in phrases like "Übermäßiger Zorn hat Folgen", "Einwandfreies Gespür ist wichtig", etc.

[proven sphinx]

Yep.

It only works for abstract nouns, though.

[summer crystal]

True

Oh, but "Er hat blaue Augen" sounds natural because there is actually no "ein" word for plural, right?

[proven sphinx]

However, you should know that in German even abstract nouns have articles more often than not, whereas in English abstract nouns almost never have articles.

[proven sphinx]

Well, "ein" is by definition just one, so it wouldn't make sense.

A few languages, such as French or Italian, do have an article even in those cases, though: "Il a les yeux bleus." In Spanish or Portuguese, using the article is voluntary.

But English and German never use articles in such cases.

[summer crystal]

Could you give an example?

[proven sphinx]

Die Liebe ist blind.
Love is blind.

[summer crystal]

Oh! I see

Vielen Dank!

[proven sphinx]

A common mistake for German speakers learning English is using the article in those cases, leading to things like "The love is blind", which sounds very wrong for English native speakers.

[fervent kernel]

How do you use the Gentiv with an adjective and without an article?

Die Reihenfolge bestimmter Dinge

The adjective gets the -r ending for plural and feminine, but what about for masculine and neuter nouns?

Is it n or s?

I can't think of an example atm

[proven sphinx]

It's the same for all plural nouns.

[fervent kernel]

Yea but singular?

[proven sphinx]

Then it would require an article.

Die Eltern eines bestimmten Jungen

Die Eltern eines bestimmten Mannes

Die Eltern einer bestimmten Frau

[fervent kernel]

So it's not possible to describe a single noun using Genitiv without an article?

[proven sphinx]

No.

[fervent kernel]

Okay that would make sense cause I can't for the life of me think of an example of it lol

Thanks

[proven sphinx]

Just keep in mind that whole thing.

It shows the strong declension without article here, but I don't think it's ever used like that in the genitive.

[fervent kernel]

Ein Junge bestimmten Namens?

Thx for the table

[proven sphinx]

Hmm, that may have been correct in older German, but I don't think anyone would ever say that these days.

[fervent kernel]

Alright. thanks again.

[swift bough]

I‘m pretty sure I’ve come across it before without the article but it’s extremely rare so I don’t remember any example that I’ve come across before either

It’s so rare it doesn’t really matter much

[proven sphinx]

Hmm...

Eine Frau jungen Alters...

No, it would work.

But it's still pretty rare.

[fervent kernel]

Alle Männer bestimmten Alters haben sich zur Musterung zu melden.

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, or that.

[fervent kernel]

sehr gehobenes Deutsch (no idea how to say that in English lol)

[proven sphinx]

Ja, definitiv, aber man kann es schon sagen.

[fervent kernel]

when you want to seem intellectual, you'd say it that way

[swift bough]

Gehoben basically just means sophisticated

But for some reason gehoben sounds better

Probably because I’m used to it

I’ve never heard anyone say „oh that’s just sophisticated English“

[fervent kernel]

yeah same haha

-> old people and academics will talk that way

[fervent kernel]

I have a question, is there programs that are free for listening comprehension?

youtube?

[heavy stratus]

Easy German podcast

[summer crystal]

Any good German prefixes and suffixes dictionary?

[summer crystal]

Nevermind, Wikitionary seems to have a good list on them...

[fervent kernel]

👍

thanks thats a cool example

[dry lava]

Hat es Sinn?
"Gib niemals auf! Sei immer aufrecht"

[fervent kernel]

was willst du damit sagen? ich glaube "aufrecht" im Kontext von "nicht aufgeben" passt nicht

[dry lava]

Ich habe in einem Lied gehört, dass der Sänger gesagt hat "Für meine Kinder und Frau werde ich immer aufrecht sein". Vielleicht meintet er, dass er für sie kämpfen und nie sterben wird ?

[fervent kernel]

hmm im Kontext des Liedes könnte diese Bedeutung wohl richtig sein, aber im Allgemeinen bedeutet "aufrecht sein": gut und ehrlich sein , und zu den eigenen Idealen stehen

[dry lava]

Habe verstanden. Danke

[prime zinc]

hallo ich möchte fragen und zwar: hat jemand während Corona eine Sprachenprüfung abgelegt? Und wie ging es bei der Prüfung? Ich habe es vor, C1 Goethe Prüfung zu machen aber ja, die Situation ist nicht so klar und die einzelne Möglichkeit die da steht is dass ich nach Singapur fliege und da eine Prüfung mache. Ich hab gesehen dass es in Singapur relativ gut geht wenn es Corona angeht

[fervent kernel]

In welchem Land bist du denn?

[prime zinc]

Brunei 0_0

[fervent kernel]

Hast du dort keine andere Goethe Prüfung abgelegt?

Also die unter C1

[fervent kernel]

Plötzlich kam mir eine gute Idee in den Sinn. Was ist die Bedeutung?

Suddenly an idea came to me.

In the sense?

[prime zinc]

nein. Es gibt kein Goethe-Institut hier. Ich hatte vor einige Monaten eine Teilnahmebestätigung vom C1.1 Goethe Online-Kurs erhalten

die nähsten Länder wo ich die Prüfung ablegen kann, sind nur Malaysien und Singapur :/

[fervent veldt]

Wow wohnst du wirklich in Brunei? 😮

[proven sphinx]

Ich glaube, es ist "in der Brunei", aber ich bin mir nicht ganz sicher.

Nee, offenbar ist es tatsächlich "in Brunei". Interessant.

[fervent veldt]

Es ist ein kleines, sondern reiches Land. 😛

[cloud robin]

I think you want to use "aber (dennoch) ". "Sondern" would mean in contrast to what you just said.

[fervent veldt]

You're right, thanks 😄

[prime belfry]

Does gern go at the end of the sentence or before the object?

‘Ich rauche an der Tankstelle gern’ or ‘ich rauche gern an der Tankstelle’?

[fervent kernel]

ich würde dir empfehlen bei den Instituten in beiden Ländern nachzufragen. vllt gäbe es doch eine Alternative in diesen Zeiten

[sleek swan]

Fragt mich!

[cloud skiff]

Before the object

[fervent kernel]

you'd usually say the latter, but when you want to emphasise that you enjoy smoking especially at the gas station, you'd say the former. for example "Ich rauche an der Tankstelle besonders gern, überall sonst macht es weniger Spaß"

[fervent kernel]

Hello! Is it right to say "She has published some other books, too" both in English and in German. Actually, I wonder if this sentence in German is correct "Sie hat auch ein paar andere Bücher veröffentlicht". I mean, logically it is possible that this sentence doesn't make sense, because someone publishes the book, right? I should've use the verb "lassen", shouldn't I? Thanks in advance.
I forgot to add here that by she I mean the author herself

[pale moat]

yes its fine

[fervent kernel]

Thanks@slender nebula

Thanks@pale moat

[granite spade]

Ich nehme an, dass das "lauter" hier als adverb oder so fungiert?

und deswegen wird es nicht dekliniert?

oder ist das so eine redensart

aus lauter ...

[gentle dragon]

Hello, anyone have suggestions on ways to learn German self taught? I've tried websites and learned a bit by myself on google but I'm kinda stuck haven't learned anything worth using in conversations.

[long whale]

"lauter" has several meanings. One of them is "only", and that's the one being used here. @granite spade And yes, it's an adverb, in this meaning, it doesn't get declined. :)

[long whale]

Type faq beginner into #botchannel Alternatively, just try Nicos Weg on dw.com :)

[gentle dragon]

Okay thank you.

[heavy stratus]

The word 'die Tasche' will be imprinted on your soul after watching Nicos Weg. Also, you may find the immersion based approach to language learning interesting - there's good information on refold.la about the philosophy of the approach and so it might help you structure your learning, as it did for me

[prime zinc]

Ja Bruder. Die aktuelle Corona-Situation hier ist ziemlich gut. Es ist schon eine lange Weile her seit der letzten lokalen Transmission. Wir können shoppen gehen, ohne Masken tragen zu müssen ... aber trotzdem trage ich eine, um sicher zu sein

[prime zinc]

ja schon. Singapur gibt es eine am April. In Malaysien glaube ich dass es jetzt keine gibt, wegen Corona. Aber ich kann natürlich noch einmal fragen.

So... ich sehe, dass die Voraussetzungen für Sprache entweder Goethe C1 oder C2 braucht. Heißt das, dass ein C1 Zertfikat schon reicht?

[long whale]

Yes, as far as I know, C1 is sufficient to get a place at a German university. (In practice, somebody with C1 will probably run into great problems if their courses are in German.) :) @prime zinc

[plain umbra]

It probably mentions both since they're separate certificates (I assume), so it's say "either of these certificates will be accepted".

Because it would be silly if you got the C2 certificate and they said "sorry, we only accept C1".

[prime zinc]

ahh ok

Cuz it would be silly if I had C1 certificate and they would need a C2 as well but yeah thanks for clearing that up 🙂

[swift bough]

Just curious, what exactly makes you say that? C1 isn’t enough to understand German courses? Don’t you think it would also depend on the subject which you are studying?

Not every subject is as difficult as the next.

[plain umbra]

It also depends which exam you take. Goethe is pretty general, whereas some of the other exams are specific to uni study.

I mean, I've never taken one so I can't really accurately comment, but I assume the latter gives you more useful stuff to work with.

[swift bough]

I think everyone has trouble sometimes with college courses, even in their native language.

Plus, if you’ve been studying a certain subject by yourself for a long time (like in German so you know a lot of the subject related material and vocabulary) before even going to a German Uni, it doesn’t really seem like you would have a very hard time. I mean I wouldn’t go study something I don’t care about, and if I care about it, I probably am already at least partially familiar with the field related vocabulary.

[fervent kernel]

this ^

[swift bough]

If not very familiar

I’ve read English texts before that I sometimes could barely understand because of the vocab in them that I had never heard of before.

Like, ones from my Uni

If you start studying something at college that you’ve never had any interest in or even prior experience with before, I don’t think it even matters if you tried doing it in your native language or in a foreign one that you’re C1 or even C2 in

You already doomed yourself

[long whale]

a) I said "probably" b) it's not only about understanding, is it? You'd be required to write essays.

[swift bough]

If you understood what was lectured, you’d be able to write essays about it.

[fervent kernel]

I don't see why someone like nate couldn't do it

[swift bough]

But what makes you say „probably“

I wouldn’t even try to write essays about something I don’t understand, nor would I take a class about something I know nothing about.

[swift bough]

Thanks Danis

[fervent kernel]

Ok

[swift bough]

I think it highly depends on the situation tho

[fervent kernel]

My essays would probably contain 50% spelling mistakes and 50% pure bullshit

[swift bough]

Turning an essay in at all also gets you way more points than just not doing it

[fervent kernel]

lmao

[swift bough]

But anyway like say I‘ve been really interested in German and human biology for a while, I’ve become C1 in German and already know a lot of technical terms for the field which I want to study. Of course it will be easier than for someone who doesn’t care about human biology at all.

[long whale]

And because experience (lots of language partners, plus teaching experience, although in English) tells me it's perfectly possible to coach someone to the point where they'll be able to get the relevant certificate. If they don't develop an interest in the language along the way, though, to the point where they start reading books, watching films, etc., a C1 won't get them anywhere. 🤷

[swift bough]

What does reading books and watching films have to do with listening to lectures and writing essays?

[scenic drift]

yeah, this is my experience in english as well - we have plenty of people on my course (STEM) who are (according to language tests) at B2 or C1 but have a lot of trouble with actually keeping up with the course. from what i've seen, if you're not high C1 at a minimum you'll be working at below your potential because you'll have to put quite a lot of effort into understanding the language rather than understanding teh content...

[fervent kernel]

holding a Referat or Vortrag is the worst part 😩

[slow granite]

what function does "denn" serve in "was ist das denn?"

?

[proven sphinx]

It's a so-called modal particle. Those words can't be translated into English directly. They often serve to soften a statement or question or emphasize a certain part.

[slow granite]

ah

okay thank u

[proven sphinx]

"Was ist das?" sounds pretty harsh compared to "Was ist das denn?", which indicates a curious interest.

[slow granite]

oo right

and can i put it at the end of any question or

just this

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, it works for pretty much any question.

It softens any questions, maybe it's similar to "so" in English?

What did he do? vs So what did he do?

The latter sounds softer.

[slow granite]

right, makes sense

[proven sphinx]

Was hat er denn gemacht? "So what did he do?" You're just curious or maybe slightly annoyed.

Was hat er gemacht? = You're either really intent on knowing or just angry, maybe even furious.

Was hat er denn jetzt schon wieder gemacht? = I can basically see the person facepalming, just frustrated that he did something stupid once again.

All of these modal particles slightly change the meaning of the sentence, or rather the mood that it conveys.

[slow granite]

thank u

[torpid salmon]

when I said "Schade!" (as in pity) my friend said something in synonym like "sehr bedeu-" something? Does anyone have a clue what is the word I am looking for here?

[long whale]

It was probably "sehr bedauerlich" :) @torpid salmon

[torpid salmon]

vielen dank that makes sense haha

[fervent kernel]

Hallo!

Sind diese zwei verschiedene Redewendungen?

Es könnte jemand sein, die dir am Herzen liegt.

That would be a person close to you.

[proven sphinx]

It might be a person close to you.

[fervent kernel]

Ich kann es dir ans Herz legen.

Thanks

[proven sphinx]

Ja, das ist eine ganz andere Redewendung.

[fervent kernel]

Yes

Danke schön

[proven sphinx]

Hmm...

Ich glaube, es muss immer "der" sein mit "jemand", egal ob es auf eine Frau oder einen Mann bezogen ist.

"Es könnte jemand sein, der dir am Herzen liegt."

[heavy stratus]

Egal ob es auf = it doesn't matter if it's about... is this a fixed phrase? Also, might I ask why you didn't decline the Frau and man with dative?

[cloud robin]

"Egal, ob es auf... bezogen ist" means: Doesn't matter if it's based on.../ Doesn't matter whether it relates to..." @heavy stratus

[proven sphinx]

It doesn't matter if it refers to a man or woman.

[cloud robin]

"It doesn't matter if it's about..." would be "Es kommt nicht drauf an, ob es über...geht"

I think that'd be a good direct translation

[proven sphinx]

This particular expression requires the accusative.

I think most expressions with "auf" require the accusative.

It's only in the dative if it directly refers to a location.

[heavy stratus]

Oh I thought that if auf is used the dative must always follow, no matter what

[proven sphinx]

Not at all. "auf" is a so-called Wechselpräposition that can take both the accusative and dative.

Ich lege das Buch auf den Tisch.
Das Buch liegt auf dem Tisch.

[cloud robin]

"Wechselpräposition"

Was man hier nicht alles über deutsch lernen kann.

[proven sphinx]

https://dafdiesunddas.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/bildschirmfoto-2013-09-27-um-10-46-04-e1380268015610.png

[heavy stratus]

Hm okay, jetzt verstehe ich. Danke beiden für die Erklärung! Und deine Überzetsung ist sehr nützlich MR :) @cloud robin @proven sphinx

[proven sphinx]

Wohin lege ich das Buch? Ich lege das Buch auf den Tisch.
Wo liegt das Buch? Das Buch liegt auf dem Tisch.

[cloud robin]

Jetzt frage ich mich, woher dieser Unterschied kommt 🤔

Waren das vllt mal 2 getrennte Fälle, die zu einem geworden sind

[proven sphinx]

Der Akkusativ hat halt mit Bewegung zu tun und der Dativ mit einem Ort.

[cloud robin]

Ah okay, danke!

Ich dachte, dass es vielleicht wie mit dem Instrumentalfall ist, der mit dem Dativ verschmolzen ist.

Weil, soweit ich weiß, gab's den Instrumental ja mal im Deutschen.

[proven sphinx]

Das kann gut sein.

Ich bin mir nicht sicher, wie genau dieser Unterschied entstanden ist.

[delicate tiger]

Ich würde es allgemeiner "Veränderung/Statik" nennen

[proven sphinx]

Allgemeiner Veränderung?

Der Veränderung?

LOL.

[cloud robin]

Na, ok. Meine Vermutung, dass es vielleicht eine Verschmelzung des Lokativs mit dem Dativ ist, kann gar nicht stimmen, da es im Urgermanischen nicht mal einen Lokativ gab.

[delicate tiger]

so besser?

[proven sphinx]

Okay, jetzt macht es mehr Sinn.

[proven sphinx]

Einen Instrumentalfall gab es aber schon.

Aber offenbar gab es vor dem Proto-Germanischen schon einen Lokativ aus dem Proto-Indoeuropäischen.

[cloud robin]

Hmm, komisch.

Google hat meine Frage anders beantwortet:
,,Six cases were preserved: vocative, nominative, accusative, dative, instrumental, genitive. The instrumental and vocative can be reconstructed only in the singular. The instrumental survives only in the West Germanic languages, and the vocative only in Gothic."

[proven sphinx]

Der Instrumentalfall ist ja mit dem Dativ verschmolzen. Darum sagt man ja "Ich schreibe diesen Brief mit dem Stift". Dafür müsste eigentlich der Instrumentalfall verwendet werden.

[cloud robin]

Dass es im Proto-indo-europäischen einen Lokativ gab, ist klar, aber dieser scheint ja sofort im Urgermanischen verschwunden zu sein.

[proven sphinx]

In vielen slawischen Sprachen, wo es noch einen Instrumentalfall gibt, wäre der obige Satz eben im Instrumentalfall.

[fervent kernel]

Ach so. Ich schaute ein Video an und es gab keine Untertitel. Deswegen wahrscheinlich habe ich es falsch gehört. Danke dir!

[cloud robin]

"Deswegen habe ich es wahrscheinlich falsch gehört"*

:D

[proven sphinx]

Ja, genau. V2 nicht vergessen.

[fervent kernel]

Danke

[fervent kernel]

Sie war rücksichtsvoll gegenüber ihr.
Sie war rücksichtsvoll ihr gegenüber. Welches ist richtig? Vielen Dank im Voraus!

[proven sphinx]

Das Zweite.

"Sie war ihr gegenüber rücksichtsvoll" sollte ebenfalls gehen.

[fervent kernel]

Danke. Soll ich das auswendig lernen oder soll ich irgenwelches Thema nachschlagen? Oder ist es so, dass "gegenüber" immer am Ende bleibt

[proven sphinx]

Ja, ich glaube du musst das einfach lernen.

Ich habe keine gute Erklärung dafür.

[fervent kernel]

Vielen Dank.

Das ist wie in meiner Sprache. Aber, ich habe daran gewöhnt, die Struktur des Satzes immer zu ändern. Zum Beispiel ist Verb Position in meiner Sprache ist am Ende. Ja. Danke. Ich kann es so auswendig lernen.

Wie Ausnahme

guys I have a silly question
what's the german verb for tweeting lol

I think as in English

twittern

[left sentinel]

google and context.reverso confirm twittern.

[glossy marsh]

We also say "tweeten".

[dusty terrace]

Hii

meine Matrikelnummer ist or mein Matrikelnummer ist ? which one correct for a boy

or is it Matrikelnummer is classified as female?

[swift bough]

meine Matrikelnummer

[dusty terrace]

Dankeschön 🥺

[prime zinc]

ja selbstverständlich. Einer meiner Kontakte sagt dass es sie 1 Jahr genommen, die Vorlesungen auf einer guten Ebene zu verstehen.

[prime zinc]

.

[fervent kernel]

das entspricht auch meiner Erfahrung

aber es hilft immer den Vorlesungsstoff vorzuarbeiten, wenn möglich

dann hätte man eine Idee worum es in der Vorlesung geht und würde alles besser verstehen, da man schon eine Vorkenntnis darüber hätte

[prime zinc]

oh! Interessant. Ich gehe davon aus, dass Sie von einem anderen Land nach Deutschland zum Studieren gekommen sind? oder habe ich es komplett falsch verstanden 😦

[prime zinc]

ahh ja sicher

[fervent kernel]

ja genau

[prime zinc]

ahh cool. Darf ich fragen, woher?

und wie lange hatte es gedauert, die deutsche Sprache sozusagen auswendig zu lernen

[fervent kernel]

Nach fast 1 Jahr habe ich den TestDaF abgelegt und bestanden

aber dafür habe ich einen intensiven Sprachkurs besucht

PS online darfst du ruhig duzen 🙂

[prime zinc]

ach so

[prime zinc]

aye 👌🏾👌🏾

[prime zinc]

Welche Testdaf? B2-C1 Prüfung. Man braucht doch gute Noten oder, als die Prüfung einfach bestehen

[fervent kernel]

also bei TestDaF gibt es keine Prüfungen, die sich vom Niveau her unterscheiden.

es gibt eine allgemeine Prüfung und je nach dem wie gut man sie abgelegt hat, kriegt man ein Niveau.

auf diese Weise erkennt man auf welchem niveau man ist.

die Noten waren TDN 1 bis TDN 5, wobei man eine TDN 3 brauchte, um den Test bestanden zu haben. TDN 3 entspricht einem B2.1 Niveau, während TDN 5 einem C1.2 entspricht

ich habe den Test mit TDN 4 bestanden, was einem Niveau zwischen B2.2 und C1.1 entspricht

aber das war vor 3 Jahren

[scenic drift]

Gut erledigt!

Man braucht TDN4 um eine Hochschulzugang zu erhalten, oder?

[fervent kernel]

ja für die meisten ist TDN4 das Minimum

aber bei manchen ginge es auch TDN3

[long whale]

In case you're interested, if you wanted to say "Well done!", it would be "Gut gemacht!" or "Gute Arbeit!". :)

[fervent kernel]

danke 🙂

[prime zinc]

Gute Arbeit @fervent kernel 😁 dein Deutsch ist super

[prime zinc]

danke für die Info

[fervent kernel]

kein Problem. Der TestDaF wÄre auch eine möglichkeit für dich. vielleicht gäbe es ein Testzentrum in deiner Nähe

[prime zinc]

ja schon. In Singapur und Malaysien gibt es TestDaf

[fervent kernel]

ah dafür musst du auch noch verreisen :))

schade

[prime zinc]

Ja aber es ist ein Teil des Prozesses (korrigiere mich wenn es falsch ist). Vielleicht werde ich neue Freunde bekommen. oder kriege ich Corona ...quatsch

[fervent kernel]

ja scheint richtig zu sein

hoffentlich hättest du dort eine gute Erfahrung 🙂

[fervent kernel]

Is Iran said more commonly with the article or without?

[proven sphinx]

Both work, but apparently the version without the article is preferred: https://www.uni-marburg.de/de/cnms/iranistik/studium/iranohneartikel.pdf

[wise pendant]

I thought without article would be wrong

It just sounds unusual to say "Ich fahre nach Iran" instead of "Ich fahre in den Iran"

Idk if the version without article would establish itself. For me it still sounds wrong somehow

Even though acc to the article it seems to be the more "correct" version

[proven sphinx]

Well, it apparently developed in analogy with "der Irak".

[fervent kernel]

Regarding adjective endings. I can't figure out what the ending is in: Man spielt die Legende vom Heilig*-(ending)* Martin

[swift bough]

-en

[fervent kernel]

oh, just 'cause it' s Dativ right?

and they all end in - en

[swift bough]

Not just because it’s dative

That ending occurs in accusative and genitive too

But only on adjectives

Unless you count den

dem guten Mann
den guten Mann
des guten Mannes

that’s what I mean

Only in nominative does the adjective have a different ending

der gute Mann

[fervent kernel]

Ok, thx

[swift bough]

Actually one thing to keep in mind too is that if you don’t have an article, then the adjective will take on the ending instead, so like „in gutem Zustand“

[fervent kernel]

oh yea, I heard that somewhere

thx

[swift bough]

np

[fervent kernel]

I actually have another question. What is the logic behind the adjective ending here: Kann ich bitte einen Tee bekommen? Ich möchte etwas warmes.

[long whale]

[etwas] warmes = something warm

[fervent kernel]

is etwas Neutrum?

[long whale]

das warme Getränk -> ein warmes Getränk -> etwas warmes

[swift bough]

I don’t really think I ever properly learned about why it’s like that but it‘s kinda just how it is when you have „etwas“ and then an adjective directly following it (if you didn’t, if you had, let’s say, „etwas cool“, then it would mean „kinda/somewhat cool“ and not „something cool“)

[long whale]

Yes.

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, if it means "something", then the following adjective is declined.

[fervent kernel]

oh, so I have to think about what the implicit thing is

[proven sphinx]

Ich will etwas Cooles.
Ich finde ihn schon etwas cool.

[swift bough]

^

[fervent kernel]

sooo, what about here: Für mich bitte keine Eiswürfel, ich möchte nichts kalt(ending?)

is it still es?

[proven sphinx]

Yep.

[fervent kernel]

according to this logic?

[proven sphinx]

Pretty much.

"nichts" works like "etwas" here.

[near folio]

sie heißen "Indefinitpronomen", falls du mehr darüber lesen willst

Außerdem:

[fervent kernel]

Danke!

[fervent kernel]

If I may ask, what is the source?

[near folio]

Hammer's German Grammar and Usage

[scenic drift]

super great book

[heavy stratus]

Cool name as well. Imagine being called 'Hammer'

[fervent kernel]

hi guys, just wondering if theres a difference (or if these two sentences are even correct)

• ich hab mit dir gesprochen
• ich hab dich angesprochen

[long whale]

Yes, they're both correct, and yes, there is a difference: ich hab[e] mit dir gesprochen = I talked to you/we talked (it was mutual, there was a conversation); ich hab[e] dich angesprochen = I approached you, I tried to initiate a conversation with you (with a possible subtext of: I was trying to chat you up/to hit on you - this would depend on context) @fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

ah, thanks a lot!!

[minor obsidian]

Hello, can I ask a question?

Why is there a zu in this particular sentence?

[swift bough]

It’s because „zu Mittag“ is like „at noon“, „we are eating at noon“, thus „lunch“ @minor obsidian

Do note that, prepositions the majority of the time aren’t 1-to-1 (e.i., „zu“ isn’t always translated as „to“).

[fervent kernel]

whats the best word or best way to express the following:

casual/casually:
a) dress casually / casual dressed
b) he said that really casually

awkward/awkwardly:
c) socially awkward
d) he made an inappropriate comment and now i feel awkward
e) an awkward situation

[rotund mirage]

Casual:

a) Sich lässig anziehen/lässig gekleidet
b) Er hat das echt zwangslos gesagt

awkward:
c) Sozial ungeschickt
d) Er hat einen unangemessenen Kommentar gemacht und jetzt fühle ich mich unangenehm
e) eine unangenehme Situation.

[fervent kernel]

danke schoen

[summer crystal]

What does "Kreisdirektion" mean? It came up in a book but there are no notes explaining the term. Also no entries on dict.cc or Linguee.

[scenic drift]

what is the context?

[summer crystal]

"when the Leipzig Kreisdirektion seized part of the first edition,"
I'll admit, it is a bit obvious and not essential to understanding the passage, but I'm still really curious :P

[fervent kernel]

district administration

Leipzig's district administration

[scenic drift]

roughly what i'd go for too

[fervent kernel]

if you cant find the word in a dictionary, try searching for the individual words making up the compound word

[summer crystal]

Good idea! Danke!

[frank forge]

Why "übermäßig schnelles und tiefes Atmen" but not "übermäßiges"?

[rotund mirage]

Because of your adjectives

[proven sphinx]

One is used adverbially, the other attributively.

Adverbially used adjectives are unchangeable.

Same with predicatively-used adjectives, for that matter.

Sie ist eine schöne Frau. (attributive)
Sie ist schön schnell. (adverbial)
Sie ist schön. (predicative)

[frank forge]

Thank you both!

[fervent kernel]

whats the best way to express: i dropped something (accidentally)

would you just say ich habe etwas aus Versehen fallengelassen?

or does fallenlassen already imply it was accidentally?

[rotund mirage]

Aus Versehen --> by accident
fallen gelassen --> dropped.

You can use only fallen gelassen but you can add aus Versehen to it.

[fervent kernel]

thanks 🙂

do people prefer to say ich habe es fallen gelassen or es ist mir runtergefallen?

[near folio]

meine Frau sagt beides ist gewöhnlich

[fervent kernel]

gibt es also keinen Unterschied von bedeutung her?

[near folio]

sie glaubt nicht, nee

[fervent kernel]

super. danke 🙂

[glossy marsh]

@near folio There is a difference: Ich habe es fallen gelassen can be both accidental and intentional, whereas Es ist mir heruntergefallen is purely unintentional.

[near folio]

Sie hat mich also wieder angelogen!!!
Aber danke, das kann man auch ahnen, wenn man die Bedeutungen anguckt:
https://www.dwds.de/wb/fallenlassen
https://www.dwds.de/wb/runterfallen

Zugriff entgleiten klingt schön

[fallow ledge]

Mmmm gehoben

[cloud robin]

"Es ist mir dem Griffe entglitten" wenn du wie ein Dichter klingen willst.

[fervent kernel]

danke schön

[weak zenith]

is there a difference between senden and schicken

[pale moat]

this is what i found

[slim yew]

where does the mysterious Sie come from

[pale moat]

it's imperativ, which means that you say 'essen Sie'

thats for the formal version

there's also 'iss' and 'esst' for people you would refer to as 'du' and 'ihr'

[cyan hinge]

In my experience I feel like schicken is used more often where one might use send in English. I think I used a absenden more than senden but that could have been because I was shipping things somewhat often when I lived in Germany..

[long whale]

@weak zenith "schicken" is what's mainly used in spoken Germn, "senden" is mainly used in written/formal German - otherwise they're synonymous for "to send". :)

[cyan hinge]

This sounds right yes ☝️

[weak zenith]

thanks all!!

[swift bough]

Uh sagt man nicht „ich habe es fallen lassen“? Wieso steht da ein Partizip 🤔

Vielleicht weil es da ne Lücke zwischen den Wörtern gibt weil du von „fallenlassen“ sprichst?

Was wäre überhaupt der Unterschied, ich habe es fallen lassen, ich habe es fallengelassen

[glossy marsh]

Fallen gelassen ist Umgangssprache, du hast Recht.

[swift bough]

kkkkk

[fervent kernel]

Bei Modalverben oder Verben, wenn sie in der Satzkonstruktion nicht als Vollverben gelten (brauchen, heißen, lassen, sehen, hören, fühlen, helfen), benutzt man für das Partizip II den Ersatzinfinitiv. (dh fallen lassen statt fallen gelassen.)
hab online diese Regel dazu gefunden. danke euch beiden. was neues gelernt 😛

[icy flax]

I was going to say that hehe. Susana, can you confirm that senden sounds more formal to you then relative to schicken? As far as I remember ppl from south say schick dich in the sense of "hurry up, boy!", right?

[icy flax]

Nate laughing brazilian style, ok, Ive seen all, ready to die. Kkkkk

[long whale]

Um, that's what I said, isn't it? schicken is informal, senden is formal. And yes, you're right, "sich schicken" = sich beeilen in Bavaria. :)

[frank forge]

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen "einen Brief erhalten" und "einen Brief empfangen"? Oder gibt es Einen?

[long whale]

No difference. :) @frank forge

[frank forge]

Danke!

[thin prism]

"Vor ihm winkten Straßenfluchten die zu durchheilen genussvoll gewesen wäre." Can anybody translate/explain this to me?(for context, it's from a satire)

[long whale]

Typo: "durcheilen", not durchheilen

Something like: "In front of him beckoned streets which it would have been a pleasure to hurry through"

[thin prism]

Aahh, thank you!

I can't believe I read through that fragment so many times and read it wrong all along

[long whale]

Don't worry, keeps happening to me in my target language, too (different alphabet, but still, it's annoying as hell). :)

[torpid salmon]

"Möchten Sie sonst noch etwas?" Doesn't noch mean "still, yet"? If I translate it word to word it says "Do you want something else?" Why are we using noch here?

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, it basically means "still".

[torpid salmon]

vielen dank

[scenic drift]

how commonly used is kippen in the sense of "ein Gesetz kippen"? I just heard it in the news but i don't think i've heard it used before in that context

[sterile vault]

I've only ever heard kippen in the context of windows

[scenic drift]

likewise, which is why i was confused 😅

[raw oyster]

quite often I'd say

[fervent kernel]

Kippen in dem Sinne klingt super 😄

[frank forge]

Das bedeutet "halb-öffnen" einen Fenster, oder? Like opening it from the top part only.

[rotund mirage]

Yes

[torpid salmon]

"keine dunkle Schokolade" if I turn this to nominativ form shouldn't it be "keiner dunklen Schokolade"? I am starting to think lösungschlüssel is wrong on this one.

[fast whale]

is this sentence correct, " lange zeit das ich in dieser sprache geschrieben habe "

i'm confused by " das "

[swift bough]

No, the first one is the correct form for nominative. The second one is actually dative.

[torpid salmon]

yeah just realized I misread nom and dativ thank you

[swift bough]

Not quite. I assume you were trying to say something like „it’s been a long time since I’ve written in this language“, which would be, „Es ist schon lange her, seitdem ich auf dieser Sprache geschrieben habe“ (you can technically also use „in“ instead of „auf“, but it’s usually just an anglicism, though in certain contexts you can only use in and not auf)

@fast whale

[fast whale]

it wasn't me, i was having a chat with a native speaker and he wrote that to me so i was a bit confused

thought he meant dass but it didn't make sense to me

[swift bough]

Also I‘m pretty sure you can use „dass“ instead of „seitdem“ but to me it sounds better with seitdem

Ok

Well yeah he did mean dass

And it looks like he just shortened his sentence a bit

As a lot of natives will do

[fast whale]

thanks for clarification

[raw oyster]

You could also say "lang ist's her" instead of "lange Zeit", that would sound even nicer

[swift bough]

When he wrote „lange Zeit“ that made me think it’s a shortened version of something like „es ist eine lange Zeit gewesen“ but also who even says that xD I’m pretty sure I’ve never heard someone say that before @raw oyster

At least not in this kind of context especially

Maybe „eine lange Zeit ist her“ actually

[raw oyster]

"eine lange Zeit ist es her, dass" but nobody talks like that

[swift bough]

Yeah exactly haha

[icy flax]

oopalaa! Hab das Wort nach dem Slash total verlesen, tut mir Leid Y.Y wie immer, Vielen Dank!! 😄

[fervent kernel]

hihi ppls, what is the different between -amt and -büro?

[glossy marsh]

The former is an agency while the latter is an office.

[fervent kernel]

thanks a lot c:

[fervent kernel]

just another random question, why is it ist and not hat here

Der Zug ist gerade eben abgefahren

there are two auxiliary verbs in german for the perfect tense: haben and sein
each verb uses one or the other

you need to memorise most of them

but a lot of movement-based verbs use sein

like fahren, kommen, gehen

thanks a lot

memorise most of the ones that use sein*

because the majority of verbs use haben

what should i searhc to find a list like that?

the ones which use sein

" verben perfekt mit sein"

somethin like that

i found a list here https://deutsch.lingolia.com/de/grammatik/verben/sein-haben/liste-sein

perfect, thanks so much!

[fervent kernel]

man kann den Vorlesungsinhalt innerhalb einer Woche abdecken. aber alles zu verstehen und fähig zu werden seine Aufgaben zu lösen wird bisschen länger dauern.
ist "wird" hier richtig oder muss das "werden" sein?

da bin ich mir nicht sicher wegen des "und"

[long whale]

"wird" is fine. But you'd need to insert "ein" before "bisschen". :) @fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

thank you once again ❤️

[weak zenith]

was macht "um" in diesem Satz?

[pale moat]

'um...zu' is a somewhat complicated subject

it basically means 'in order to'

@weak zenith https://yourdailygerman.com/use-of-zu-and-um-zu/

i recommend either reading this or watching the video in it

or both

[weak zenith]

cheers thank u

[brittle basin]

Hey there! Which one is more often used as a translation to step-by-step: "nach und nach" or "Schritt für Schritt"? Or are both commonly used? Thanks!

[raw oyster]

"nach und nach" can be used almost every time without sounding weird. Like adding butter to a cake step-by-step. "Schritt für Schritt" would also work but somehow sound weird. If you try to motivate something like "You can do this step-by-step" Schritt für Schritt sounds better. I can't seem to find any rule though

[brittle basin]

Thank you so much!

[raw oyster]

I think Schritt für Schritt only sounds good when you talk about doing some action

[brittle basin]

"ich kletterte die Mauer Schritt für Schritt" like this?

[raw oyster]

Ich kletterte Schritt für Schritt über/auf die Mauer.

But that sounds like you needed a very long time to get over the wall

[brittle basin]

I see... Thank you for the help again!

[swift bough]

There was a gym I went to in Bavaria that had „Schritt für Schritt“ painted on the wall 😄 @raw oyster @brittle basin

[jaunty scaffold]

I'd like to say I'm surprised that we're the 2nd largest language learning discord server.

Can I say "(ich) bin ein bisschen überraschend, dass wir der zweitgrößter Server sind...

?

[scenic drift]

• überrascht
• zweitgrößte

[jaunty scaffold]

@scenic drift Thanks mate! Guess I'll have to get the Hammer pdf back out again...

[scenic drift]

@jaunty scaffold no worries 😅 in terms of why it's like that:

• überrascht is the adjective form of überraschen
• because there's a "der", the ending on the next adjective will be -e, not -er (if there were no "der" it would be -er)

[jaunty scaffold]

ah, I mixed up adjectives with past participles

überrascht was definitely what I was looking for

also need to not default to the strong adjective endings (the -er -e -es -e / der die das die series)

[scenic drift]

i recommend learning this flowchart for adjective endings :) https://www.nthuleen.com/teach/grammar/adjektivendungenexpl.html

[fervent kernel]

Der Dämpfungsarbeit bei der Ringfeder liegt bei ca. 66%, d.h. nur 1/3 der eingespeicherten Energie wird wieder abgegeben!

gibt es einen Grund warum hier "der" statt "die" verwendet wurde oder ist das möglicherweise ein Fehler?

[long whale]

If you're sure they didn't drop anything, like "Der X der Dämpfungsarbeit bei..." (which would also be an error, obviously), then yes, of course, it ought to be "Die Dämpfungsarbeit bei..." :) @fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

thank you 🙂

[fervent kernel]

.. entsteht bei geschlitzten Ringen, die soweit aufgespreizt wurden, dass die Ringe nun auf Block liegen. Hierdurch wird die Federsteifigkeit plötzlich fast unendlich groß.
auf Block liegen = aufeinander liegen?

[long whale]

Might be. Might also be "one inside the other", like in this picture (mind you, I know zero about whatever it is you're reading about, is it Mechanik?): https://lockingassembly.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/rigid-ring-block.png

@fervent kernel

I wouldn't have thought so, except this picture came up when I looked for images under "Federsteifigkeit Ringe auf Block". 🤷

[fervent kernel]

Thank you once again @long whale . This makes more sense in the context, and yes it's in a Mechanik context. Machine design

[full cloak]

wie sagt man "both... as well as..." in Deutsch?

[scenic drift]

sowohl... als auch...

[full cloak]

danke

[fervent kernel]

Why is gegenüber at the end of the sentence?

[full cloak]

it means "for" here

you could replace the english word "for" with "toward(s)" to show it more clearly

[scenic drift]

gegenüber is a postposition here :)

@fervent kernel post positions aren't super commonly used, but it's useful to learn them. here's a list with examples: https://germantakeaways.com/what-are-the-german-postpositions/

[fervent veldt]

What is the difference between Box, Kasten, Schachtel and Kiste?

[rotund mirage]

Schachtel and Kiste is always what you can put stuff into, but Kasten and Box can also be used in geometry or maths.

[fervent veldt]

So are they physically different?

[rotund mirage]

Not really, they are all mostly squares

[fervent veldt]

Would it refer to a different object if you said Box instead of Schachtel?

[rotund mirage]

Kiste --> chest.
Box --> Box

[cloud robin]

In my opinion a "Schachtel" is a bit smaller

[rotund mirage]

Depends on context

[fervent veldt]

So which one is more colloquial?

[rotund mirage]

Schachtel --> small container
Kasten --> (square), ...

[cloud robin]

And often use in compound words as "Streichholzschachtel" (matchbox) or "Zigarettenschachtel" (cigarette box)

[fervent veldt]

Thanks a lot for your help. 🙂

[turbid rune]

why does "auf der anderen Seite" use anderen and not anderer? shouldn't anderen also be in the feminine dative?

[scenic drift]

it is :) when there's a definite article you use the weak declension, which is anderen

[cloud robin]

Yep^

[turbid rune]

ah ok I guess I'll have to look into the weak declension, apparently I'm not familiar with it. thanks for the help!

[scenic drift]

just gonna link this, i found it really useful: https://www.nthuleen.com/teach/grammar/adjektivendungenexpl.html