questions-2

[fervent kernel]

If it's Slavic, then I'm sure it has one

If it's not then

🤷🏻‍♂️

[weak mist]

It's turkish, and not slavic

[fervent kernel]

ah

Let me check then

Yeah... Turkish has multiple words for noch it seems

[queen ginkgo]

@weak mist fortunately for you turkish has many equivalent words for "noch"

[fervent kernel]

Indeed

But I wouldn't say "fortunately"

[dry lava]

Kann ich sagen "Vorerst habe ich diese Aufgabe abgelegt"

[fervent kernel]

@wanton quail

Hallo mein Freund

@wanton quail

Vielleicht könnten wir Sprachpartner werden?

[frigid aurora]

May I please have an example sentence for the word Vertrauensbildend? I have a hard time thinking of an example sentence for it.

[wanton quail]

Gerne Matthias,können sie schreiben mir?

[woven grove]

Besuchen in the perfekt tense becomes gebesuchen?

[swift bough]

@woven grove nope besucht

[woven grove]

oh so the last part becomes t

since for some of them it stays en

Does sein change in the perfekt tense?

Ich bin, du bist, etc?

Was ist

[ivory plaza]

Eine gute, langjährige Freundschaft ist sehr vertrauensbildend. (A good friendship over many years builds a lot of trust.)

[raw thorn]

I just saw a new word "coronakoller". What does it mean?

[fallow ledge]

@raw thorn corona would be the virus and der Koller is a tantrum i believe

It sounds a bit like one of those words the media would invent to chuck up a bit of drama

[delicate tiger]

Lagerkoller -> cabin fever (the common use)

[raw thorn]

Oh that makes sense, like you have to stay in your home because of corona then you have coronakoller

[dry lava]

Ich bin in einem Restaurant, und ein Kellner fragt und ich antworte.

• Haben Sie schon etwas bestellt?
• Moment! Ich überlege noch / Moment! Ich denke noch darüber nach
  Was passt besser?

Wenn ich überhaupt dort "nachdenken" benutzen kann...

[proven sphinx]

Ich würde schon "Ich überlege noch" vorziehen.

[dry lava]

Was ist wenn "Ich denke noch"?

[foggy mist]

"Ich denke noch nach" if anything

both are fine

Ich überlege noch / Moment! Ich denke noch darüber nach

[dry lava]

Ich denke noch passt nicht?

[foggy mist]

not without the nach, no

"Ich überlege noch"

[dry lava]

Okay. Ich hab auch anderes

"Ich denke über den Sinn des Lebens nach"

[foggy mist]

yes

good

[dry lava]

Kann ich sagen: "Ich denke über den Sinn des Lebens"_

oder "Ich denke an der Sinn des Lebens"

[fervent kernel]

Nicht wahr?

[foggy mist]

an den
and then it would just answer the question "what are thinkin of"

[dry lava]

Es verlangt Akkusativ

[foggy mist]

and not that you are contemplating it

[fervent kernel]

Oops verstehe

[dry lava]

I see

[foggy mist]

What are you thinking of?

[sudden cloud]

So germans just add "nach" without any reason?

[foggy mist]

no, "nachdenken" is a different verb than "denken"

[fervent kernel]

It's a separable verb

[foggy mist]

denken is just to think while "nachdenken" means more to consider or ponder

[sudden cloud]

So sort of a more deeber thinking

deeper*

[foggy mist]

yes

[dry lava]

Danke

[sudden cloud]

Can I ask a question. Im not sure if I have analysed this sentence correctly:

[dry lava]

Ich denke noch, was ich trinken soll
Ich überlege noch, was ich trinken soll

In dieser Situation, kann ich ÄdenkenÄ verwenden?

[foggy mist]

nein

ich denke noch darüber nach, was ich trinken soll.

Ich überlege noch ... is fine

you aren't still thinking it, you are still considering it

This would translate back to "I still think what I should drink"

[dry lava]

Soweit ich sehe, hat "denken" kleiner Wert in Deutsch

[foggy mist]

kleiner Wert?

[dry lava]

small value, idk

Its using is small in german

[foggy mist]

denken über is used a lot - as in , what do you think about this, what is your opinion on this

Ich denke also bin ich

I think denken is also used, just that it is used when it is appropriate

and "I still think what I should drink" here it is not appropriate

you mean to say you are still considering what to drink and that is nachdenken

or überlegen

[dry lava]

I notice that "ueberlegen" is basically used when there's a choice

[foggy mist]

yes but it doesn't have to be.

It can be for any consideration.

[glossy marsh]

Note that überlegen has another meaning: superior.

[foggy mist]

as an adjective

[dry lava]

Ich überlege dich

Like that?

[foggy mist]

no
"x ist y überlegen"

[glossy marsh]

Jemanden überlegen sein.

[foggy mist]

x is superior to y

[dry lava]

ahh

[foggy mist]

*jemandem überlegen sein

[dry lava]

Ich bin dir überlegen

[glossy marsh]

Yep.

[dry lava]

Ich übertreffe dich

[foggy mist]

yes

[dry lava]

Okay, thanks

[sudden cloud]

Krenta, wont u answer what I asked

[foggy mist]

hmm I would like to but I don't know how to interpret your analysis. I am not aware of the Playstation buttons being parts of speech.

[dry lava]

• Haben Sie schon etwas bestellt?
• Nein, ich überlege mir noch

What about that?

[glossy marsh]

Grouping Subjekt, Objekt and Prädikat.

[crisp scaffold]

man kann nachdenken benutzen

[glossy marsh]

Looks fine for the most part, though früher heute sounds wrong.

[sudden cloud]

square = dativobjekt, triangle = akkusativobjekt, X = subject, O = verb

[dry lava]

Wie haben das schon besprochen @crisp scaffold

[glossy marsh]

*Wir ... besprochen.

[sudden cloud]

@glossy marsh I wanted to say: " Earlier tody"

today*

[foggy mist]

vorhin

[glossy marsh]

Vorhin.

Yeah.

[crisp scaffold]

ist es ein Muss, überlegen zu benutzen? Tut mir leid ich habe die obige Diskussion nicht gelesen

[glossy marsh]

Nein.

Überlegen, entscheiden, nachdenken, sich über etwas Gedanken machen ...

[foggy mist]

that could pass colloquially but I feel like when you use it reflexively "sich etwas überlegen" you need a direct object.

ich überlege es mir noch.
or. "ich überlege mir noch, was ich [nehme/bestelle/essen will/etc.]"

[dry lava]

Danke

[sudden cloud]

How do you say: Earlier today in Deutsch. I doesnt say anything in the dictionary

[foggy mist]

and yes your analysis is correct
and "vorhin" is the best fit

[proven sphinx]

Ich würde eigentlich im Alltag "Ich bin noch am Überlegen" sagen, aber diese sogenannte rheinische Verlaufsform ist noch nicht ganz standard.

[foggy mist]

that sounds very good

[glossy marsh]

I sometimes phrase it like that.

[dry lava]

Cool

[proven sphinx]

Im Schweizerdeutschen wird diese Form die ganze Zeit gebraucht.

Ich glaube inzwischen ist sie fast überall im deutschen Sprachraum aufzufinden.

[sudden cloud]

@glossy marsh

what about this one

is it still dativ objekt even tho there is a "für"

[willow socket]

you can also say 'heute früh' as far as I know @sudden cloud

[foggy mist]

I can confim that this Verlaufsform is used in even North Germany

[glossy marsh]

Likewise. ^

[foggy mist]

although "heute früh" would mean this morning, as in, today in the early hours

[willow socket]

but it implies a bit more 'morning' than just simply earlier than present

[foggy mist]

exakt

haha

[foggy mist]

no, as since it says "für" it is now a prepositional object

"für meine Großmutter" forms a prepositional phrase

[glossy marsh]

Großmutter is in the accusative.

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, if it starts with a preposition, it's either a prepositional object or an adverbial construction.

[foggy mist]

and the nouns within a prepositional phrase are not verb objects anymore

[sudden cloud]

so how would I make Grossmutter dativ? Wir kaufen Grossmutter Blumen?

[foggy mist]

yes

[glossy marsh]

Yes.

[sudden cloud]

oder meinem*

[foggy mist]

meiner Großmutter

[glossy marsh]

No.

[proven sphinx]

Meinem?

[foggy mist]

as she is female

[gloomy quest]

Wir kaufen unserer Großmutter die Blumen

[sudden cloud]

yes meiner

mb

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, it doesn't matter if it's marked for dative or not. It's still dative.

So if you say: "Wir kaufen Maria ein neues Auto", then "Maria" is still in the dative, even though it's not marked for it.

[sudden cloud]

wdym marked for it

[proven sphinx]

If you were to replace "Maria" with "ihr", then it would become obvious.

I mean that you can't tell by the form which case it is.

[sudden cloud]

oh I get u

[proven sphinx]

"Maria" looks the same in every case but the genitive.

[foggy mist]

as in this: " Wir kaufen Grossmutter Blumen"

there is no indication of the case of Großmutter but it is still in the dative case

[sudden cloud]

u mean this right

[foggy mist]

and the same goes for Blumen in the accusative

[proven sphinx]

Yeah.

"ihr" is always dative.

[sudden cloud]

so what would Blumen be? Wir kaufen ihr sie?

[willow socket]

sie ihr*

[proven sphinx]

Yep, in that case the dative has to come last.

[sudden cloud]

why

[willow socket]

german is bizarre. Normally dative comes first, but when they're both pronouns it goes n-a-d

[proven sphinx]

I don't know. It's just the rule if you use only pronouns.

[foggy mist]

because it is pronouns instead of actual nouns

yea

[sudden cloud]

So in english: We buy those her?

[willow socket]

ye lol

'to her' kinda

[foggy mist]

or for her , yea

[proven sphinx]

Well, if you were to translate it word-for-word, I suppose...

[sudden cloud]

thats what I meant

ye

word by word

[crisp scaffold]

can you help me , i want to use zum Opfer fallen in a sentence

[glossy marsh]

We buy *them her.

Which makes sense.

[sudden cloud]

so them is when its closer to?

[glossy marsh]

In what tense, Pinku?

[proven sphinx]

wut

[foggy mist]

x fällt jemandem/etwas (dat) zum Opfer = x is the victim of someone/sth

[willow socket]

we buy them her is still a broken english sentence. It wouldn't make much difference them/those

[sudden cloud]

but whats the difference between them and those

[foggy mist]

in English?

[sudden cloud]

yes

[crisp scaffold]

Ist es richtig, wenn ich sage , dass die armen Leute dem Hunger zum Opfer gefallen haben

[glossy marsh]

"We see some flowers, we buy them her/her them, and leave."

[proven sphinx]

them = people
those = objects

Generally.

[glossy marsh]

*gefallen sind.

[sudden cloud]

but even tho its Blumen its still them here or what

[crisp scaffold]

vielen Dank 🙂

[sudden cloud]

in this case*

[willow socket]

no...I wouldn't say that. I see flowers, I buy them. Those has to do with specificity

[proven sphinx]

@sudden cloud Dude, translating things literally back into English won't do you any good.

[foggy mist]

them is generic while those is specific

I suppose

[glossy marsh]

Correct.

[foggy mist]

but that also has nothing to do with German just by the way

as a side note

[glossy marsh]

Well, depends on context.

[foggy mist]

while we are discussing language and grammar haha

[willow socket]

Is there a way to say 'those' (flowers) without a noun in german?

[foggy mist]

die

[willow socket]

or would it just be identical with them

[glossy marsh]

Die or diese.

[foggy mist]

"Kann ich die kaufen?" (refering to flowers)

Kann ich sie kaufen?

Kann ich diese kaufen?

[willow socket]

Right but in the flower sentence. Could you say 'wir kaufen ihr diese?'

[foggy mist]

yes
though since diese sounds so specific I would reccomend putting it first
Diese kaufen wir ihr

[willow socket]

ah okay, thanks!

[glossy marsh]

I agree.

[foggy mist]

or you could also add a hier to the end to refer to these ones, these specifically
Wir kaufen ihr diese hier

[glossy marsh]

Flip the Cs and Ms, Krenta. ^^

[foggy mist]

recommend

ah thank you haaha

[glossy marsh]

^^

[proven sphinx]

Huh?

[glossy marsh]

Reccomend. ❎
Recommend. ✅

[proven sphinx]

Oh yeah, obviously. Kek.

[glossy marsh]

:P

[sudden cloud]

If you say: Morgen transferiert mein Chef Geld zu mir,.... is "mir" still dativ then

or is it the prepositional phrase u mentioned earlier

[fervent kernel]

yes

'cause zu always goes with Dative

[long whale]

You wouldn't, though. Even if it's in a test. You'd say "Morgen überweist mein Chef mir Geld" 🤷

[sudden cloud]

oh, so not transferiert

[long whale]

No. Not in Standard German, anyway (no idea about Swiss German). :)

[sudden cloud]

thanks

Is it: Ich gebe ihm ein Geschenk für Weinachten, oder zu Weinacten

Weihnachten*

[long whale]

zu Weihnachten

[sudden cloud]

and there is no reason

[long whale]

ich schenke ihm etwas zu Weihnachten

No. Just the way things are. 🤷

[sudden cloud]

ok

When its konjuktiv, how do you know if its 1 or 2, and which verbs are bent

is it all "hilfeberbum"

[proven sphinx]

Hilfeberbum?

[sudden cloud]

Hilfsverb

[proven sphinx]

It's always Konjunktiv II if it's about something impossible that could have happened in the past, but didn't.

[sudden cloud]

so this is ll because I could have donesomething else

in the past

[proven sphinx]

Yeah.

[sudden cloud]

ok, and l?

[proven sphinx]

It's used mostly for reported speech these days, especially in more formal texts.

Er sagt, er sei der Beste.

[sudden cloud]

so ll is used more

?

[proven sphinx]

Much more.

[sudden cloud]

But which verbs are bent

and is it all of them

[proven sphinx]

Bent?

[proven sphinx]

You mean konjugieren?

[sudden cloud]

I think

so

ja

[proven sphinx]

Well, the version with "hätte" is much more common than changing the actual main verb.

Wenn ich das gewusst hätte, wäre ich nicht dorthingegangen.

[sudden cloud]

ok, and werden is also konjugiert?

[proven sphinx]

Wenn ich größer wäre, würde ich ein Basketballspieler werden.

Yeah.

[sudden cloud]

so I have made the sentence

right

?

[proven sphinx]

You don't use "verwenden" with "Geld", really.

hätte ich nicht soviel Geld verschwendet.

Oh, and the first "es" isn't necessary, either.

[gloomy quest]

oder, Hätte ich nicht soviel Geld ausgeben?

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, of course.

ausgegeben

[gloomy quest]

ya

[sudden cloud]

so I just delete the "es"

?

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, I think it works better.

[sudden cloud]

And thats because its implicit that the "es" is there

?

[proven sphinx]

Wenn ich gewusst hätte, dass ich nach Aarhus ziehen würde, hätte ich nicht so viel Geld ausgegeben.

Yep.

[sudden cloud]

so not umziehen, just ziehe

n

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, that also sounds better.

Ich werde morgen umziehen vs Ich ziehe morgen nach Aarhus.

[sudden cloud]

Ich ziehe morgen nach Aarhus um

[fervent kernel]

Ich werde morgen umziehen is also correct, no?

[proven sphinx]

Basically, if you're being specific, you use "ziehen".

You say "umziehen" if you don't specify where you're going.

[sudden cloud]

ok

thanks

my Wörterbuch also says this:

as other words for "ziehen"

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, those words have nothing whatsoever to do with moving...

[sudden cloud]

oh

[proven sphinx]

It's more like "put".

[sudden cloud]

Oh so moving a thing from one place to another

[proven sphinx]

I put the book on the table = Ich habe das Buch auf den Tisch gelegt.

[crisp scaffold]

but it has to do with action right?

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, but nothing with moving from one place to another as in "umziehen".

[crisp scaffold]

oh ok. Yes umziehen is completely different

umziehen is used when one is moving to a different place ( zB city, country) or if one is changing his or her clothes

[proven sphinx]

Yep.

Well, it's a bit more complex than that.

umziehen = move (to a different place)
sich umziehen = to change clothes

[crisp scaffold]

Man ist in den/dem Teufelskreis der Scheinwelt gefangen. Was ist richtig, den oder dem?

[proven sphinx]

location = dative
movement = accusative

[crisp scaffold]

best explanation

[proven sphinx]

Ich muss mich umziehen = I have to change clothes
Ich muss umziehen = I have to move (to a different place)

[sudden cloud]

movement in same area = dative

right?

[proven sphinx]

Yeah.

[crisp scaffold]

können Sie mir bei der Korrektur des Satzes helfen?

[proven sphinx]

Just look at what I said above.

[crisp scaffold]

oh so in dem

[proven sphinx]

Basically, it's a location, so it's dative, yes.

In dem

[sudden cloud]

oder im

[proven sphinx]

Yep.

im = in dem

[crisp scaffold]

german really is a systematic language

[proven sphinx]

I guess so. There are just a lot of rules for you to remember.

[crisp scaffold]

but there's logic behind those rules

[sudden cloud]

I have wondered. When you native speakers learn Deutsch in school, do you also learn all the rules, or do you just use them without thinknig about them

[crisp scaffold]

or atleast some reasoning

[proven sphinx]

We had to learn basically everything about German grammar, though we obviously didn't have to do A1/A2 level stuff.

It was more about how to call certain tenses, word types etc.

Or changing active sentences into passive ones.

[sudden cloud]

I see

[crisp scaffold]

Raven do you know about the Aufnahmeprüfung?

[proven sphinx]

Which one?

[crisp scaffold]

for Studienkolleg

[proven sphinx]

Studienkolleg?

[crisp scaffold]

ooh sorry you wouldn't know, it's for non german students

just realised

[proven sphinx]

Well, we don't have to pass any exam to go to university here. We just have to pass the high school graduation exam (called Matura here, but Abitur in Germany).

[sudden cloud]

Last year, in der Grundschule, würde ich die b2 oder b1 nehmen, aber wegen Corona, passierte es nicht.

[fervent kernel]

Habt ihr keine Online-Unterrichte oder was?

[crisp scaffold]

Ich habe die B2 Prüfung im Februar bestanden

In der letzten Woche habe ich die C1 Prüfung abgelegt

[fervent kernel]

Ich soll in ein paar Monaten die B1 Prüfung ablegen, aber ich kann nicht bestimmt sagen, dass es so wird

[crisp scaffold]

Es gibt Verunsicherungen wegen der Pandamie

[sudden cloud]

Ja, aber die b1/2 war etwas extra für die Schüler die gut in Deutsch waren

[fervent kernel]

mhm

D.h. ihr hattet in der Schule nur bis A2 gelernt und danach war es eine persönliche Auswahl?

[crisp scaffold]

aber warum sollen die deutschen Studenten die b1/2 prüfung ablegen?

[sudden cloud]

Wait, is b2 harder than a2?

[fervent kernel]

yes

[crisp scaffold]

yes

[sudden cloud]

because maybe we had A-something

kekw

[crisp scaffold]

A<B<C

[sudden cloud]

oh, then it was A2

i think

[crisp scaffold]

Ich habe Angst vor dem Sprechen

[sudden cloud]

Where are you from @fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

Die deutschen Studenten müssen es nicht, aber diejenigen, die aus anderen Ländern kommen, in denen Deutsch keine Muttersprache ist, sollen sie nehmen

I'm from Bulgaria

[crisp scaffold]

Oh ok

[sudden cloud]

Do you learn Deutsch in Bulgarien

[fervent kernel]

Depends on the school

[crisp scaffold]

Alles gute für die Prüfung @fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

Danke, ich hoffe, dass ich sie eigentlich ablegen und bestehen kann 🙂

[fervent kernel]

All schools in Bulgaria have English as a necessary foreign language and the schools have a choice for a 2nd one

[sudden cloud]

what does it mean for you if u pass, do you get acces to something or is it just to get better

[fervent kernel]

Well, yes

In Germany (at least) it's required for jobs and unis

To prove you actually know German, at least at the basic level

[sudden cloud]

So you¨re thinking about moving to Germany?

[fervent kernel]

Not necessarily, but studying there is an option

[sudden cloud]

I see

So where are you right now? Gymnasium?

oder

[fervent kernel]

Not yet

But soon enough

anyway, we could move the convo to #general

[sudden cloud]

facts

[unborn robin]

Haha hallo, ich bin auch aus Bulgarien!

[fervent kernel]

Achso

[delicate panther]

Someone speaks French here ? Is Wissen "savoir" and Kennen "connaitre" ?

[winter hamlet]

très bien! Mais je ne peux pas parle fraincaise.

[long whale]

Yes, it is. But this channel is for questions about the German language. Best ask in #languages, if you have any more questions about French. :)

[fervent kernel]

yes

[delicate panther]

Danke alles but it was a question for German 🤣 I'm a native French speaker and wanted to know how to differentiate the two "know"

[near folio]

ex wissen und kennen

[stoic mauve]

wissen und kennen

The verbs wissen and kennen both translate to know. However, in most cases they are not interchangeably.

You should use wissen with information or facts, for example:
(1) Ich weiß, dass er Peter heißt. (I know his name is Peter.)
(2) Ich weiß nicht, wie alt er ist. (I don't know how old he is.)
(3) Ich weiß, wo er wohnt. (I know where he lives.)
(4) Ich weiß es. (I know it.)

🌟Note that wissen almost always requires a subordinate clause which starts with either dass, wie, wann, wo, wer, or warum.

The verb kennen is used to express that you are familiar with a person, place or simply a thing, for example:
(5) Ich kenne Maria. (I know Maria.)
(6) Ich kenne diesen Fluss. (I know that river.)
(7) Ich kenne das Buch. (I know the book.)
(8) Ich kenne ihn. (I know him.)

🌟 Note that kennen almost always refers to a noun or pronoun.

‼ As with every rule, there are certain exceptions, in which you can use either, for example:
(9) Ich weiß/kenne den Weg. (I know the way.)
(10) Ich weiß/kenne deinen Namen (I know your name.)

Although they are often used interchangeably in this context, the general rules explained above still apply to them.
The wissen sentence is purely about knowing the way/name, while the kennen sentence also means that you already went that way a few times or have heard that name somewhere before.

[near folio]

@delicate panther hilft das dir weiter?

[glossy marsh]

Ja, danke.

[delicate panther]

Dankeschön !

[stoic mauve]

FAQ not found. Try >explain all.

[gray aspen]

explain all

[stoic mauve]

See a listed FAQ with >faq [name]

:small_blue_diamond: Accusative

Aliases: Akkusativ

:small_blue_diamond: Adjective Declension

Aliases: adjective endings, Adjektivdeklination

:small_blue_diamond: Anki

Aliases: flashcards

:small_blue_diamond: Beide vs. Beides

Aliases: Beides vs. Beide, Beides, Beide

:small_blue_diamond: Best way to learn German

Aliases: learn fast, learn German fast, learn efficiently, best way to learn, fastest way to learn, most efficient way to learn

:small_blue_diamond: CEFR levels

Aliases: lvl, CEFR

:small_blue_diamond: Cases

Aliases: case, grammatical case

:small_blue_diamond: DACH

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:small_blue_diamond: Dative

Aliases: Dativ

:small_blue_diamond: Duolingo

Aliases: duo

:small_blue_diamond: Eszett

Aliases: Scharfes S, ẞ, ß

:small_blue_diamond: FAQ

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:small_blue_diamond: Formal and informal speech

Aliases: duzen vs. siezen, Sie, Du vs. Sie

:small_blue_diamond: Gender patterns

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:small_blue_diamond: Genitive

Aliases: Genitiv

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[gray aspen]

ex duolingo

[stoic mauve]

Duolingo

Duolingo is a decent resource to start with if you're a complete beginner, but it's neither efficient nor comprehensive!

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[mossy shard]

Hallo! Is this correct? Should'nt it be "zu" instead of "so"?

Meine Küche ist nicht so groß.

[pale moat]

They would both be correct, but mean different things

'so' would be like 'its not that big' or 'its not so big'

and 'zu' would be 'its not too big'

[tidal marsh]

What's the difference between sprecht and sprichst?

[pale moat]

sprecht is for ihr and sprichst is for du

du being singular and ihr being plural

[mossy shard]

Danke @pale moat!

[tidal marsh]

Ohh cool got it 😅thanks

[sudden cloud]

Hey, I would like to ask to questions:
The first: I know that when its, "the man's car", its "Das Auto des Mannes", but what if it were, "the car of the man's company"

what would that be

Das Auto des Unternehmens des Mannes?

[glossy marsh]

Yep.

[fallow ledge]

How do you feel about mixing von and genetive in this case casca?

[sudden cloud]

Das Auto des Unternehmens von dem Mann?

[fallow ledge]

Unternehmens i think it needs an s

[glossy marsh]

No.
Das Auto von dem Unternehmen des Mannes.

Das Auto gehört dem Unternehmen des Mannes.

[sudden cloud]

Second question

Yesterday, I asked about konjuktiv ll and somebody said that it was when something else could have happned in the past

but what if its something in the future like, "if my parents decide to move, I will have to start at a new school

is that also konjuktiv

because its in the future

[glossy marsh]

Konjunktiv II is hypothetical, like the subjunctive.

[sudden cloud]

subjunctive?

[glossy marsh]

If I were rich, I would ...

Wenn ich reich wäre, dann ...

[sudden cloud]

so: If my parents decided to move, I would have to....

?

[fallow ledge]

Yup that’s subjunctive now

[glossy marsh]

^

[sudden cloud]

and whats the diffrence between konjuktive and subjunctive

[fallow ledge]

They’re equivalent, Konjunktiv is in German and subjunctive is for English

[glossy marsh]

The former is German and the latter English.

^

[sudden cloud]

Oh, thanks you two

The senctence:
ich bin mir nicht sicher. Why is it mir, when there cant be a dative, when there is a Prädikatsnomen

because ich = nicht sicher

[glossy marsh]

I am certain is always Ich bin mir sicher.

I am safe is always Ich bin sicher.

[sudden cloud]

so its just a feste Wendung

that doesnt have any explanation?

[glossy marsh]

You need the mir to show that you are certain of yourself.

[sudden cloud]

but how did the mir ever come there

shouldnt it be like "ich"

because its nominative

[glossy marsh]

Hmm? There's an ich there.

[sudden cloud]

Ich bin ich nicht sicher, why not like that

becuase the sentence is nominative

[willow socket]

Ich bin nicht sicher = I am not safe/secure
Ich bin mir nicht sicher = I am not secure (with myself) AKA I am not sure.
the mir directs the phrase to yourself and changes the meaning. Idk if that's helpful.

[sudden cloud]

Im thinking more about the "mir" being dative right

and how is the sentence dative

[willow socket]

a sentence isn't dativ

[sudden cloud]

no, but there is no akussativobjekt, so how can there be something dative

Du schickst mir ein Geschenk

it makes sence that mir is like that

because its dative in the sentence

wem schickst du ein Geschenk? mir

[glossy marsh]

Certain phrases don't subscribe to the standard rules of grammar.

[sudden cloud]

ok, so it is a certain phrase that doesnt follow the rules

[glossy marsh]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[fast whale]

how do you say " i don't care " ?

[willow socket]

es ist mir egal

[fast whale]

hmm

what about " bitte, denk nie, dass es mich interessiert "

i tried to translate never think that i care

and i got this

it didn't make sense to me

so i wanted to make sure if native speakers say it that way

[glossy marsh]

A more common way to phrase it would be

Denk ja/bloß nicht, dass es mich interessiert.

[fast whale]

Ty

[sudden cloud]

Hey, I was thinking what you said about subjunctive earlier. I dont think I get what the difference is between "if my parents decide to move, I will have to start at a new school" and "If my parents decided to move, I would have to start at a new school". What makes the last one subjunctive and the former one not?

They are both in the future as something hypothetic right?

And the reason why I right a question about english in this channel, is because it helps me learn konjunktiv ll

[fast whale]

hope this helps u

[heavy stratus]

Ich werwissen, wie lange dauern Deutschlernende zu Deutsch verstehen, wenn so schnell deutsche Leute sprechen? Ich kann verstehe A2 Hörbücher okay, aber wann ich einen Dokumentarfilm über obdachlos Leute gesehen, ich verstehe nur ein wenig

[icy flax]

@heavy stratus meisten weil du noch nicht genug die Wörter gehört oder gelesen hast, mach dir keine Sorgen

Als ich mit den Podcasts began, hörte ich einfach "der, da" "die" "ich", dann ging es eher zu grossen Phrasen "um eherlich zu sein" "eig kommts drauf an, ob..." und jetzt verstehe ich quasi alles außer wenn total neue Wörter vorkommen

Einige Wörter sind auch in spezifischen Nischen eingeschränkt

[heavy stratus]

@icy flax Ich sehe - danke für deine Meinung, dass gute Bedetung machen

[sturdy kindle]

if i switch einem kind and die katze around would it still make sense?

[plain umbra]

I think it would be unnatural if you swap them.

[sturdy kindle]

so dative usually goes first?

[plain umbra]

Dative noun goes before Accusative noun.

The order is like this:
akk pronoun > dat pronoun > dat noun > akk noun

[sturdy kindle]

a

thank

[long whale]

Nnn... it's fine if you swap them. It just indicates you also showed the cat to somebody else, a grownup or a dog, before or after -> it changes what you're stressing in the sentence. :)

[sturdy kindle]

w

how does it indicate you showed it to something else?

[plain umbra]

Oh, makes sense, Susana. I didn't think of that option.

[icy flax]

As in "Wir zeigen die Katze einem Kind"? Wieso sind Andere implizit dabei? Or did u mean sth else?

[long whale]

Yeah, it kind of sounds like the sentence could/should go on, for example like "Wir zeigen die Katze einem Kind, einem Hund und einem Hamster - mal sehen wie sie darauf reagieren (We're showing the cat to a child, a dog and a hamster. Let's see how each of them will react). The emphasis changes with the word order. But you know that, don't you? @icy flax

[icy flax]

The emphasis I did, but I didn't know the rest would be obligatory expected. I can imagine the example you said! :)

Die Katze rennt!

[long whale]

No, I mean, it's just an example. Like... there ought to be a reason for changing the word order from "default" to "special". 🤷

[icy flax]

Si si si. Kapiert!

[fervent kernel]

It seems like no one has seen Julia. -> Es scheint niemand Julia gesehen zu haben.

Stimmt das?

[fierce idol]

Ja.

[glossy marsh]

@fervent kernel Wieso warst du zu der Zeit nicht am Schlafen?

[fervent kernel]

Weil ich nicht schlafen konnte

[sudden cloud]

@fast whale is conditional Clause and subjunctive the same thing

[dry lava]

Ich bin alt, dadurch kann ich mich schnell nicht bewegen

Does this "dadurch" make sense?

[fervent kernel]

@dry lava I'd advise you to use deshalb/deswegen

[glossy marsh]

Dann schläfst du heute hoffentlich besser.

[weary gulch]

@dry lava
dadurch makes sense as well as deshalb/deswegen stated by Soulless_Ginger
but word order 😉 Ich bin alt, dadurch kann ich mich nicht schnell bewegen

[glacial cairn]

Small question! With sayings like "über seinen eigenen Schatten springen", if we are talking about a female, do we use "ihre"?

[sly ferry]

ihren but yeah

[glacial cairn]

ah yes, of course

thanks!

[strong bridge]

Is this an example of sie being replaced with die or is it just a mistake:
Wann wollen die uns hier ausm' Dreckloch lassen

[sly ferry]

The former

Typically used in colloquial speech when referring to a specific group of people

[strong bridge]

Ah okay grand

Would it be common?

Not sure if its something to keep an eye out for or decently rare

[sly ferry]

It's not uncommon but depends on the region really

[strong bridge]

Perfect, thank you!

[fast whale]

@sudden cloud sorry, just seen the mention, no they are not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkdKLE1ABwc&ab_channel=CristianPetreMoldovan

[sudden cloud]

@fast whale So both the senteces with parentes I mentioned is conditional clauses. The one with "decide" is prediction and the one with "decided" is the unlikely to happen, right

The "decided" cant be prediction, because its past tense, and it cant be "didnt happen", because its not past perfekt. So it must be unlikely to happen or "didnt happen", becuase its past tense

but is both conditional clause and subjunctive konjunktive in Deutsch, because if not, then my sentences isnt konjuktive, or what? @fast whale

[fast whale]

no they are both predictions imo

in german the if conditional is the konditional nebensatz ( wenn/falls ) as far as i know
subjunctive is konjuktiv ll

conditional generally means .. that if a certain circumstance exists, then something would happen

subjunctive expresses something hypothetical

[dire niche]

Is this correct: "Es ist ja krass, dass ich Deutsch gesprochen habe"

[bitter saffron]

Yes

[supple gulch]

When I use "weil" instead of "denn", I understand that it needs to be a subordinate clause. In this case, the verb in this clause has to come to the end, right? And does the form of this verb stay the same, instead of changing to infinitive?

[modest vault]

Könnte jemand diesen Satz, die ich geschrieben habe, gucken ? Ich habe jeden Abend danach 6PM mehr oder weniger frei

Ist es: ich hab frei jeden Abend, usw oder war es korrekt das Wort frei am Ende der Satz zu setzen

[scenic drift]

weil sends the verb to the end, denn does not. both use the same conjugation

example:
Ich bin glücklich, weil es Freitag ist
Ich bin glücklich, denn es ist Freitag

[long whale]

*ab 6 (danach wouldn't work at all, if anything, then "nach") And we don't use AM and PM. Since you've mentioned the evening, just saying 6 is fine. Word order is correct. :) @modest vault

[modest vault]

Achsooo, vielen Dank @long whale !!!

[alpine flicker]

Ich habe eine Frage.
Es gibt Variante Städte, die "Am Neckar" liegen.
Zum Beispiel Heidelberg liegt am Neckar.
Mein Frage ist:
Was bedeutet Am Neckar eigentlich?

[long whale]

der Neckar is a river in Southern Germany.

So, it's literally "Heidelberg on the Neckar" :) @alpine flicker

am = an + dem

[alpine flicker]

Ok, es ist einfach ein Name des Fluss

[long whale]

Es ist der Name eines Flusses, richtig. :)

[alpine flicker]

Das was sehr hilfreich

Dankeschön

War*

[long whale]

Bitte, gern geschehen. :)

[sudden cloud]

Hey in this sentece:Heute werden wir uns dafür vorbereiten, verschiedene Weihnachtsgebäcke für unseres Weihnachtsmodul nächsten Freitag zu backen. Why do you write the "dafür", wouldnt you be able to just remove it

[wise pendant]

The word "Modul" seems kind of odd there

And I wouldn't use dafür there

But darauf

And without it would be fine, if you aren't specifying the reason afterwards

The different is something along the lines of:
"Wir bereiten uns vor." -> "We prepare ourselves"
"Wir bereiten uns darauf vor." -> "We prepare ourselves for that."
"Wir bereiten uns darauf vor, etwas zu tun." -> "We prepare ourselves for doing something."

It's an Infinitivsatzkonstruktion if I remember correctly

@sudden cloud

[sudden cloud]

Ok

ty

[prime belfry]

When is someone A1 and when is someone A2?

[covert pivot]

https://www.cefrlevels.com/overview/index.html

[prime belfry]

Thank you

[heavy stratus]

Können Fräulein auch einen "Mensch" sein, oder ist das nur für Männer? Zum Beispiel: "Ja, sie ist einen guter Mensch"

[fervent kernel]

uh

Guck mal die Bedeutung von Mensch nach

und ja

außerdem "sie ist ein guter Mensch*"

[stoic flax]

XD

Verfassungsschutz am Start

Hihi

[fervent kernel]

Aber ganz schnell

bei solchen Dingen muss man eingreifen

[stoic flax]

Mhhm

[fervent kernel]

( Aber Hauptsache auf dem linken Ohr taub und auf dem rechten Auge blind )

[stoic flax]

Lol

Yup

[heavy stratus]

@fervent kernel Okay, danke. Ich habe gedenkt, dass ein Mensch ein Mann ist, aber was nicht sicher

[stoic flax]

gedacht*

war* nicht sicher

[fervent kernel]

Imagine saying "Frauen sind keine Menschen"

[stoic flax]

I dont wanna laugh to that...

Gg

[fervent kernel]

Buy you do don't you

[stoic flax]

I do smirk

Sadly

We men laugh bc were not the woma/en getting completely discriminated here

But if u see it from a woman’s perspective u’d be wanting to kill us xd

[fervent kernel]

Oh many women I know would laugh

[heavy stratus]

It just sounded masculine, I must've mistranslated it, I thought it was like saying a gut Mensch is like 'a good man'

[fervent kernel]

and DeHornerRhino didn't know that Mensch means human

[stoic flax]

Yeah

But we know it so joking would be somewhat... yk. Anywaayyy different topic lol

[fervent kernel]

yes

[heavy stratus]

Danke, sorry for any offence I may have caused

[fervent kernel]

Der Verfassungsschutz geht wieder auf Patrouille

[stoic flax]

Lol besser so

[wary eagle]

Hello
I am learning German and tomorrow I have a test on Relativsatz und Relativpronomen
Can anyone help me prepare.
Pls dm me if possible.

[fervent kernel]

Hello, please don't double post

[ocean canopy]

Would it be wrong to say "Mein Haus ist kalt" the same way it would be wrong to say "Ich bin kalt"?

[scenic drift]

no, "Mein Haus ist kalt" is fine.

[scenic drift]

"Ich bin kalt" is dodgy because it doesn't express "feeling cold" but rather "physically being cold"

[fervent kernel]

Mein Haus ist kalt is okay I geuss

Ich bin kalt is just wrong

"Mir ist kalt" would be the right translation for Feeling cold

[ocean canopy]

Once you apply it to humans it needs to be reflexive? Thats what I am thinking

[fast whale]

How do you refer to someone else if he feels cold?

[ocean canopy]

Ihm ist kalt?

[fast whale]

That's what crossed my mind too

[fervent kernel]

Mir ist kalt.
Dir ist kalt.
Ihm/ihr ist kalt.
Uns ist kalt.
Euch ist kalt.
Ihnen ist kalt.

[ocean canopy]

Danke

[swift bough]

Physically being cold and feeling cold are the same thing

I think you mean more like mentally cold

[scenic drift]

i had the feeling it was more like "my skin is cold" for "ich bin kalt"

[swift bough]

Nah

That’s „mir ist kalt“

„Ich bin kalt“ is a bit weird to say by itself without context, but it doesn’t refer to a temperature

[willow socket]

I just talked about it with my friend and apparently 'ich bin kalt' does indeed refer to something like your physical form being cold (if someone were to touch it)

[swift bough]

That doesn’t seem like it would make sense though because then you’d say „Ich spüre mit dem Finger dass dir kalt ist“

Not „dass du kalt bist“

Perspective doesn’t matter

[willow socket]

Both work, technically.

[swift bough]

This is not how I learned this wtf lol

[ocean canopy]

I thought I heard that "ich bin kalt" would be like saying you have a cold personality, like being rude/harsh

[scenic drift]

i def learned it as "ich bin kalt" -> "my body is physically cold to the touch"

hold on lemme just

wiktionary was like 90% of my source for these things, lemme check

[swift bough]

Same

[scenic drift]

jo wiktionary was where i got this from when i learned it

[swift bough]

Maybe it’s both

[scenic drift]

indeed

joy of the ambiguity of language i guess 🤔

[swift bough]

Bro what

I am cold and I feel cold are the exact same thing lol

There has to be a better way to explain it than that

[stoic flax]

Not rlly

[swift bough]

In English they are

[stoic flax]

I am cold as in my heart is cold.

[swift bough]

But the Screenshot says „Ich bin kalt“ refers to your skin

Not your heart

[stoic flax]

I feel cold as in temperature. I am cold as in feelings, as in soul/heart...

[swift bough]

Well actually both I think

[fervent kernel]

You could be cold physically relative to the person you're speaking to while at the same time not sustaining any of the negative consequences of said cold yourself, as in, not feeling it

[swift bough]

In English that’s not how it always works tho

[stoic flax]

Well

[swift bough]

People say more often „I‘m cold“ than „I feel cold“ when it’s cold outside

I think we can’t really compare it with literal translations

[fervent kernel]

So, not shivering, not feeling a need to wear warm clothes etc, thus you are cold yet you don't really feel it

[swift bough]

We have to explain the context for each one

Instead

So I guess „du bist kalt“ is specifically referring to a perspective from outside of their physical body?

Like, they really look like they’re cold. But they only Look or feel that way, even maybe if they aren’t

[twin frost]

Hallo. Ich arbeite mit 15 Jahren = Ich arbeite, seit ich 15 Jahre alt bin. ist es gleich?

[pure compass]

es hört sich komisch an

ich würde lieber sagen: Mit 15 habe ich angefangen, zu arbeiten.

"ich arbeite mit 15" klingt als ob du noch 15 Jahre alt bist

[twin frost]

Vielen Dank

[fervent kernel]

Hallo , ich habe eine Frage. "Komisch " bedeutet "strange" , auch "funny" , oder? Danke im Voraus!

[delicate tiger]

Hauptsächlich "strange", "funny " meist nur in Wörtern wie Komiker

[glossy marsh]

Nein. The first sentence says:

Ich arbeite mit 15.
I work. I am 15.

And the second:

Ich arbeite, seit ich 15 bin.
I have been working since the age of 15.

[fervent kernel]

@delicate tiger Danke sehr.

[twin frost]

Danke.

[fervent kernel]

Meine Freunde gratulieren mir zum Geburtstag. into perfekt. How?

[plain umbra]

Try it.

[fervent kernel]

Meine Freunde hat mir zum geburstag gratuliert?

[plain umbra]

What does meine Freunde mean? @fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

friend

[plain umbra]

No, it means "my friends".

It's plural.

[fervent kernel]

oh

[plain umbra]

That's why the original is: Meine Freunde gratulieren

Plural conjugation.

So your verb in the Perfekt sentence has to match that too.

[fervent kernel]

understood

[fervent kernel]

How do you transform sentences in Perfect tense?

[proven sphinx]

Transform from what? Präteritum, for example?

Ich ging nach Hause = Ich bin nach Hause gegangen

You mean something like that?

[fervent kernel]

From Past tense into Perfect for example?

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, that's exactly what I did.

[fervent kernel]

Ah, but I have a problem grasping the difference and what you did exactly?

[proven sphinx]

You have to know how to form the Perfekt. You need the auxiliary verb "haben/sein" (depending on the verb) + the past participle (e.g. gegangen, gemacht, gesehen, gelernt)

Ich habe gesehen.
Ich habe gemacht.
Ich bin gelaufen.
Ich bin gekommen.

As for how it's used, well, there is no real difference in meaning in German between the past tense (Präteritum) and the perfect tense (Perfekt). It's just that the Präteritum is more common in more formal written language, whereas the Perfekt is more common in spoken everyday language.

[fervent kernel]

I see, thanks

[fervent kernel]

so i was watching this guy and he was talking and he said “Ich kann das viel besser wie du” and “Ich kann das viel besser als du”

and i’m kinda confused why

ah okay

he has subtitles thankfully, juts saves the day

if your comparing you use “als”

[fervent kernel]

What does "eifach" mean?

eifach uf's entsprechende emoji reagier um es als flair-rolle z'becho. Die flairs dienet nur rein us ästethische zweck.

[glossy marsh]

Einfach.
Simply.

[fervent kernel]

@glossy marsh Thanks!

I find this sentence so hard to understand 😭

Can you understand the "z'becho" part ?

zu becho? What is a becho 😭

😩

[fervent kernel]

huh?

what sentence

eifach uf's entsprechende emoji reagier um es als flair-rolle z'becho. Die flairs dienet nur rein us ästethische zweck.

@fervent kernel

"Simply react to the respective emoji to enable the roles?"

that's it? 🤔

[glossy marsh]

Zu bekommen.

[fervent kernel]

einfach auf's entschprechende reagieren um es als flair rolle zu bekommen?

Can you guys explain the "als" part to me?

If it were me to write that, I'd have written something like "um das flair rolle zu bekommen"

"To obtain the role"

[fervent kernel]

idfk man People should write Proper german and not let a native unscramble their sentence

I don't understand. Sorry

I'm trying to learn a dialect, so I try to consume material written in that dialect 😄

[dry lava]

Wie sagen sie "that's right" except for "es stimmt"? "Es ist wahr"?

Ah wait

[glossy marsh]

Das ist richtig.
Genau.
Jep.
Ist so.

[dry lava]

Es ist richtig

It's true = Es ist wahr?

Then

[glossy marsh]

Joa.

[dry lava]

Danke

Can I just say "wahr"?

Or "ist wahr"

[glossy marsh]

You could just say "wahr", it just sounds odd. Say "stimmt".

[dry lava]

What about just "richtig"?

Without ISt

[glossy marsh]

That works.

[stuck anchor]

How do you ask questions in German?

[dry lava]

You put a verb at the beginning
Du gehst allein
Gehst du allein?

[stuck anchor]

@dry lava is that the only way? Like if i said "du weißt wieso?" Would it be wrong?

I just want to make sure

[cobalt flame]

wait is the like third person of möchten möchtet?

I'm not sure so if someome could help :)

[willow socket]

no, 'third person' (sie, er, es) möchte.
Ihr möchtet

[cobalt flame]

o

thanks you so much!!!

[dry lava]

I dont' think so, but it'd be more like a statement than a qustion, which rises confusing

[stuck anchor]

Ah ok

Thank you!

[clever matrix]

Ich mache Yoga gern
oder
Ich mache gern Yoga
oder...
ist gerne besser als gern?

[ivory kestrel]

Ich mache gern Yoga is correct - gern follows the conjugated verb; Yoga also comes toward the end in the typical sentence because it is a verbal complement, not an object here
I don't know if natives have anything to say about the frequency or regional preference of each but afaik gern/gerne are just alternatives to each other

[clever matrix]

thanks so much. It's something so basic that I still get confused over

[ivory kestrel]

Np!

[heavy stratus]

"Wir gehen nach Millsdorf", antwortet Sanna und lacht.
"Nach Millsdorf? Und da freust du dich auch noch?"

I'm so confused by "und da freust du dich auch noch?", and there glad you you also still?

Ich werde Glücklich sein, für etwas Hilf, bitte

[pure compass]

sich freuen is reflexive. sentence basically means and you're still happy/excited about that? but with an incredulous tone. more context would be helpful. they're using modal particles which convey emotion/meaning and are common in normal speech @heavy stratus

[heavy stratus]

Thank you for the translation and explanation, that sentence just threw me in a loop

The context :)

[pure compass]

yeah the old man thinks very negatively of the town and the author was trying to convey that

[heavy stratus]

Hm yeah I thought he came across a bit rude, thanks very much Hera!

[strong bridge]

When saying:
Der dritte Tag neigt sich bereits ein Ende zu
Is the verb zuneigen sich or zuneigen?

I can't find zuniegen sich

[fallow ledge]

Sich akk etw dat zuneigen is a Verb

[swift bough]

You wrote reflexive verbs with „sich“ first

Write

sich zuneigen

[fallow ledge]

It translates as to lean towards, and sich dem Ende zuneigen means to draw to a close/end

[strong bridge]

Oh sorry, thank you!

Is it on dict.cc? How did you find it or did you already know it

[swift bough]

It’s on dict.cc

If you write sich zuneigen

[fallow ledge]

I knew sich zuneigen, but I looked up the variation with Am Ende in Linguee

[strong bridge]

Oh

[swift bough]

You wrote zuniegen not zuneigen

[strong bridge]

neigen

Damn, sorry lol thank you!

Ahh there we go

Thank you both!

[spice kite]

I'm doing a translation project and I have most of this figured out but there is one word that I absolutely can't make out for the life of me. Can anyone help out and perhaps make corrections if I misheard something?

"Laut Definition des begrift "Besitz" also der Herrschaft einer Person über eine Sache gehört das (?????) nach mir"

My current theory is that it's some expression to the effect of "now" or "from now on" or "for now" but I can't place the exact words. (Also the subtitles don't match the audio so don't mind those, the audio is what I'm after)

[knotty adder]

im hearing momentan

[willow socket]

Momentan noch mir

[knotty adder]

des Begriffs*

[spice kite]

Vielen Dank! Shortly after posting I realized my mistake with Begriffs 😅

"Laut Definition des Begriffs "Besitz" also der Herrschaft einer Person über eine Sache gehört das momentan noch mir." Das stimmt, ja?

[knotty adder]

That's what I heard👆

[swift bough]

jo momentan

[fervent kernel]

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen "silbrig" und " silbern" ?
Zum Beispiel , silbriges Armband oder silbernes Armband.
Welches ist richtig ?
Danke im Voraus

[glossy marsh]

They are synonymous and therefore interchangeable.

@fervent kernel

Silberiges geht auch.

[fervent kernel]

@glossy marsh danke sehr . Silberiges ist echt cool. 🌺🌺

[long whale]

Uh - "ein silbernes Armband" = a bracelet made of silver (kind of expensive). "ein silbriges Armband" = a bracelet which looks like silver, has a silvery sheen/shimmer. :) @fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

Danke sehr 🌸🌸🌸

[willow socket]

Wenn man in einem Termin sitzt, ist es in Ordnung 'Ich bin (mit jdm) verabredet' zu sagen? Oder ist es üblicher, 'Ich verabrede mich mit jdm' zu sagen? oder weder/noch lol

[solar basalt]

Kontext bitte

Ich verabrede mich mit jemanden kannst du sagen wenn du zukünftig dich mit jemandem verabreden möchtest

[proven sphinx]

jemandem

[solar basalt]

Also technisch gesehen könntest du beides sagen

[fervent kernel]

mit regiert immer den Dativ Miyaki

[solar basalt]

Mir klar

[willow socket]

wenn ich mich im Moment mit einem Termin beschäftige

[ocean pagoda]

Ich verstehe nicht diese Activität

Ich habe kein Beispiel und ich brauche benutzen Dativ

Jede Hilfe wird geschätzt

[glossy marsh]

Just as you did with ist, find the correct conjugation/declension.

Monate is incorrect.

[ocean pagoda]

Aha

Is Monaten dative?

What about the second one? I changed "gehen" to "geht" but I just don't know the next step like with the first

[pale moat]

Monaten is correct in the dative case

and you have another case-related mistake in the second one

[ocean pagoda]

I was just introduced to the dative case yesterday so this new to me currently

Is it something with Uni?

[pale moat]

yes

prepositions always take specific cases

some take more than one based on certain factors

'zu' always takes dative

[ocean pagoda]

Ok I figured out you use "der" that's helpful

Thank you

[pale moat]

👍

[ocean pagoda]

Last question for this exercise-- for #4 (I'm assuming then bei always takes dative), I conjugated wohnen to wohnt but have no idea what the dative change is

Because there are nouns but I'm not sure how to change them/no articles

[pale moat]

luckily i don't think you need a change for those

specifically because there are no articles/adjectives

[ocean pagoda]

Then I'm really lost lol

I tried to change Herr und Frau Mildner to ihnen but it didn't change it

[glossy marsh]

Try changing bei to mit.

[ocean pagoda]

Didn't do anything

Sometimes this program that my school uses marks things wrong that maybe in some way are but nobody would think anything of it if you said it to a native speaker

Maybe there is still something wrong with it I don't know but that's what my professor said

[glossy marsh]

Swap the positions of Frau and Herr.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[ocean pagoda]

Didn't do anything either I'll just leave it wrong in an act of rebellion

[glossy marsh]

Familie Mildner, maybe?

[celest frost]

Herrn und Frau?

[ocean pagoda]

That's it! I would have never guessed that

Danke

[celest frost]

gern

das wissen auch viele Deutsche nicht

[ocean pagoda]

Aha

[celest frost]

it's "Herrn" for Genitiv, Dativ and Akkusativ while it's always just "Frau"

so maybe that's why it's not common knowledge (I had to look it up myself)

[ocean pagoda]

Interesting

[scenic drift]

Was bedeutet "Studienzeiten" in "Studienzeiten an der Universität"? Die Dauer des Tages? Die Dauer des Semesters? Die Dauer des Studiums?

Die vollständige Frage ist "Sind die Studienzeiten an der Universität zu lang?"

[celest frost]

that's actually the time required to graduate

so 3 years mostly iirc

so it's "Die Dauer des Studiums"

it's often also called "Regelstudienzeit", because you can take longer (if you can afford it)

[scenic drift]

Ah, danke 😊

[woeful quail]

Going through a Grammar workbook, I wrote an answer as "Wann beginnen Sie Arbeit?" but the books answer is "Wann beginnt Ihre Arbeit?" and I'm not sure of the reasoning behind it.

[pure compass]

you can't say "When do you begin work?" like in english

you can say "Wann beginnen Sie, zu arbeiten?" or "Wann beginnt Ihre Arbeit?"

[woeful quail]

Oh I see I think, its possessive in German, like "When does your work begin?" essentially? Or am I missing the mark lol

[long whale]

Correct. :) @woeful quail

[pure compass]

yes

[woeful quail]

Cool, thanks so much! 🙂

[dry lava]

Ich habe dich überlebt/erlebt - which one makes sense?

[past rivet]

Shouldn't both? I could find usages with "jemanden" for each

[dry lava]

I want to say that I lived longer than someone

if anything

[past rivet]

Then I think the former's the better

[dry lava]

outlive

didn't know that word

okay, thanks

[past rivet]

You're welcome

[dry lava]

If I want to say "I'm passing the mountain", do I say "Ich komme die Berge vorbei"?

Or...there was like "an etwas vorbeikommen", If i'm not mistaken. So it should be "Ich komme an der Berge vorbei"... Not sure

[past rivet]

I don't really know, sorry

[dry lava]

Ich komme an dir vorbei

[safe oracle]

Does anyone have any tips for relativsatze? For example in an exercise it says "Graf van Galen, von | dem | heute eine Statue in Münster steht, war ein katholischer Kardinal." the relative clause placed in is "dem", but im not sure how I can determine why they used dem

[shell anchor]

so from my understanding dem is used here as a relative pronoun for Graf van Galen and relative pronouns also need to be in the correct case so dem is used as the dative form of der as in the statue of Graf...

[swift bough]

You need to use the „an“, „vorbeikommen“ by itself is something else. @dry lava

[shell anchor]

so basically what its saying is of whom the statue stands ie a statue of him

and him is dative thus dem is used as the relative pronoun

[humble remnant]

more directly it's because the relative pronoun is the object of a dative preposition

not just dem but von dem

the case must match

[shell anchor]

☝️

[humble remnant]

it all depends on the function

you could changed that to dessen for genitive and it would still create the same relative clause, it is just dative bc the preposition von is used

[swift bough]

Yeah also btw „von“ is not a 2-way-preposition, so it always takes the dative.

[humble remnant]

@safe oracle does this make sense

[swift bough]

Oh ye good point

dessen works too

[humble remnant]

theres a semantic difference

i just meant the mechanic

[swift bough]

True

[safe oracle]

okay danke !!

[heavy stratus]

To a German, would Nashorn translate to "rhinoceros" or just "rhino"?

[willow socket]

rhinoceros is just the full word for rhino 🤔

[fervent kernel]

Ich habe eine Frage! in dem Hotel gibt es Servicemitarbeiter und rinnen , und sie arbeiten für die Gästen als Beruflich im Hotel. Also machen sie Service für die Gästen. wie heiß es dies ? ich finde das Gäste..etwas bla bla.. ich brauch eure Hilfe!

[heavy stratus]

I know, but I'm more so getting at the colloquial/formal distinction between the two terms @willow socket

[long whale]

In German, you wouldn't have a choice. Both "rhino" and "rhinoceros" would translate to "Nashorn". Unless you'd studied zoology, in which case you'd probably say "Rhinozeros". 🤷 @heavy stratus

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, you'd only read "Rhinozeros" in some scientific journal about biology or something.

[heavy stratus]

@long whale @proven sphinx danke zusammen!

[fervent kernel]

how do you tell if a word ends with a 'g' sound (like begeisterung) or one that becomes similar to a 'hh' sound (like fertig)? if that makes sense

[proven sphinx]

@fervent kernel That actually isn't universal, and especially in the South -ig often is pronounced as just "ik", but basically, whenever there's an -ig and it's followed by a consonant or it's at the end of a word, it's pronounced like -ich. So "König" often sounds like "Könich" and "fertig" like "fertich".

Well, there are exceptions. "Königreich" is never pronounced as "Könichreich" but always as "Könikreich".

[fervent kernel]

Noted, danke!

[knotty dove]

So what's done when a stop meets another between words?

Like in "Mit dem"?

[proven sphinx]

A stop?

[knotty dove]

Or "Markgraf"

I mean a plosive maybe

[proven sphinx]

It’s assimilated and merged with the following sound. I think it’s called sandhi.

Basically, the stop is unreleased.

The same occurs in English, though to an even greater extent than in German.

[knotty dove]

I see

Can unreleased stops be produced after another consonant though?

[proven sphinx]

Such as?

[knotty dove]

If you were to pronounce the r in Markgraf as a uvular fricative

[proven sphinx]

Pretty rare, but it would change nothing about the pronunciation of the K.

[knotty dove]

I see, I just find it pretty hard

Thanks again

[proven sphinx]

Just pronounce it a little bit longer.

„Mit dem“ can’t sound like „Midem“, but pronouncing the T fully also sounds unnatural. You just lengthen the consonant a bit.

[knotty dove]

Is the d unvoiced?

Devoiced

[proven sphinx]

Not necessarily.

It’s really the D that gets lengthened.

[knotty dove]

Oh?

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, that’s how sandhi works.

[knotty dove]

Ok

[proven sphinx]

It basically becomes a geminate consonant.

Like in Italian.

[knotty dove]

That phenomenon is then called sandhi

[proven sphinx]

Yep.

[knotty dove]

When between words

Ok

Another thing

When stop consonants are devoiced at the end of a word

A word*

Are they aspirated?

[proven sphinx]

Somewhat, though less strongly than at the start of words.

[knotty dove]

Ok, but words ending with an already voiceless stop

Mit

[proven sphinx]

It’s a very soft aspiration. Almost inaudible.

[knotty dove]

Do they have harder aspiration?

[proven sphinx]

There is no difference.

[knotty dove]

Ok

Thanks

[proven sphinx]

It’s really only the spelling.

[fallow ledge]

Wie heißen diese Symbole, nämlich: {} []

[pale moat]

idek what {} is called in english lmao

[fierce idol]

Gewchweifte bzw. eckige Klammern sind das

[fallow ledge]

Curley braces? Es macht mich nicht aus wenn es nur der geläufige Name dafür ist

Also {} sind geschweifte/eckige Klammern

[fierce idol]

*(... mir nichts aus, ...)?

Nein, die sind geschweift

[] sind eckig

[fallow ledge]

👍

@fierce idol was meintest du eben vorhin mit bzw. Mir war nur die Bedeutung „nicht das eben Vorhergesagte, sondern...“ bewusst

[pale moat]

'blank and blank respectively' i think

[fallow ledge]

Ahhh stimmt

[fierce idol]

Also, du hast ja 2 Fragen in eine gepackt. Das vor dem bzw. sollte das erste beantworten. Und das danach das 2.

'blank and blank respectively' i think
Jup

[fallow ledge]

Ich habe vergessen das bzw auch für „Respektive“ stehen könntet

[fierce idol]

Und 'Jemanden / etwas ausmachen' -> 'to turn someone / something off'
'Jemandem etwas / nichts ausmachen' -> 'to not bother that someone'

Passiert~

[fallow ledge]

Ein wichtiger Unterschied haha

[fierce idol]

:3

Also in dem Sinne, wie man 'Licht ausmacht'. Anders als bei anmachen würde man 'jemanden ausmachen' im Deutschen nicht sagen

[strong bridge]

Can anyone tell me why we use "an" rather than "von"
I was taught von means of which I know is very general but still have no idea why we use an
Er erinnert mich an einen Hund

[crystal oxide]

Can anyone tell me why we use "an" rather than "von"
I was taught von means of which I know is very general but still have no idea why we use an
Er erinnert mich an einen Hund
@strong bridge there is a fixed verb sich errinern an.... Means to remember sth.

They are fixed with verbs have to learn as it is

[strong bridge]

The an though is that fixed with the sich erinnern

[crystal oxide]

Yup

[strong bridge]

Grand, unfortunate that it doesn't show that with sich erinnern the an

[crystal oxide]

Sich errinern an
aufpassen auf
Sich freuen auf
Sich freuen über

[strong bridge]

Oh wait

Thank you!

Just noticed

Appreciate it

[crystal oxide]

👍

Was ist deiner Meinung nach mein Niveau...

Why the sentence formation is like this inspite of Meinung being die it takes Meiner and nach being dativ Präposition Takes Nominativ Case

[fallow ledge]

„Meiner Meinung nach“ and by extension „deiner Meinung nach“ is a fixed expression. You can, if it helps, think of the nach as being a Postposition to „die Meinung“, although in modern german it is no longer a postposition, but a preposition

Its translation would be something along the lines of: according to my option/in my opinion

@crystal oxide

[crystal oxide]

@fallow ledge that's correct but is it a fixed structure? it doesn't follow preposition rules and why Meinung die changed to der

[fallow ledge]

Nach is acting on Meinung, its in Dativ but nach is placed as a postposition

[plain umbra]

Preposition = the word goes before the noun.
Postposition = the word goes after the noun.

In case that was what's confusing.

[crystal oxide]

Was ist deiner Meinung nach mein Niveau. (Mein Niveau due to postposition and what about deiner Meinung*

[fallow ledge]

Okay lets try replacing nach with zufolge, which here has the same meaning

Meiner Meinung zufolge bist du X Niveau

According to my opinion your Niveau is x

[pale moat]

'was ist deine Meinung über mein Niveau'

[crystal oxide]

I mean can't it be:- Deine Meinung nach mein Niveau...

[pale moat]

no it would be über

[crystal oxide]

'was ist deine Meinung über mein Niveau'
@pale moat Meinung has fixed nach...

[pale moat]

because nach is only used for that specific case

i think zu could also work i dont remember

[fallow ledge]

It cant sadly, in this expression the nach means according to and is placed after the noun it refers to:
Der Zeitung nach....
Meiner Meinung nach....
Der Aussage nach....

[plain umbra]

Do you know about how prepositions work normally, Herr?

Like how a preposition has a certain case that goes with it?

[crystal oxide]

Der Zeitung😐 i always read Die Zeitung

[fallow ledge]

https://germantakeaways.com/what-are-the-german-postpositions/ here is some more info on the topic of postpositions in german

[crystal oxide]

Like how a preposition has a certain case that goes with it?
@plain umbra yup nach takes dativ..

[plain umbra]

Yes.

So even with postpositions, that rule is still important.

Nominativ/Akkusativ: Meine Meinung
Dativ: Meiner Meinung

[crystal oxide]

So it's just replaced like:- Mein Niveau nach deiner Meinung.. 🤔

[plain umbra]

No, the mein Niveau and the deiner Meinung aren't being swapped.

The phrase "meiner Meinung nach" is one thing by itself.

[pale moat]

it is die Zeitung, but like the other example the nach puts it in dative

[plain umbra]

The reason why the nach goes after the meiner Meinung is just because it's a set expression. Like, it's not based on normal grammar rules - it's just a set way that people say this phrase.

But you still need to use the right case for it. That's also part of the expression.

[crystal oxide]

I have to clear postposition... They aren't well will check them out thanks guys... 👍

[plain umbra]

Np.

[fierce idol]

no it would be über
über works here, too

[fierce idol]

And yes, zu as well, but I can't tell you when to use which

[pale moat]

oke 👍