does the article change any in fem/neuter
#questions-2
marble trout
long whale
marble trout
and the dative
long whale
That would be correct (except for capitalization: Ich gebe das Gift dem Kaefer/Käfer). :)
@marble trout
marble trout
ok thanks
buoyant coral
I had opened the door for them = Ich hatte ihnen die Tür geöffnet.
Why is there no "für"?
inner marten
This is a really random question, but in English there are certain word orderings for anded pairs which we tend to say in one way but that sound really weird the other way around, not for any form of grammatical difference, but just the feeling. Often these follow the tit-for-tat formation, but there are bunches of examples. Nieces and nephews sounds immeasurably better than nephews and nieces. Black and white. Up and down. Back and forth. Rise and fall. From what I can tell, these follow a pretty strong pattern of a more tense vowel in the first word, transitioning to a more relaxed one in the second (nieces employing the mid-back tongue to constrict narrowly and flatly along the entire ridge between soft palate and hard palate, and nephew relaxing into a very open and nearly unmodified e). There's a cadence to it. Do German people have similar things? If so, do the sounds that feel right follow similar, or very different patterns?
@buoyant coral I believe because ihnen is the dative 3rd person plural pronoun, and therefore encapsulates to/for them
Same as if I say mir. Sometimes things take the various cases to signal things that aren't strictly speaking the same as the standard reason, but usually if you see mir, dir, ihm, or ihnen, you can make a pretty good initial guess that something is being done to or for, respectively, me, you, him or it, or they (or if capitalized, formal you)
plain umbra
@inner marten You might actually get an answer more easily if you ask in #languages. Not that #questions is the wrong place, but sometimes the people who know linguistics concepts are more likely to read #languages than question channels, or the question might get buried before someone reads it.
inner marten
Noted! THanks!
I think you and Susana have both been amazing resources for me, so I tend to dafult to here
Which is to say, super thanks!
plain umbra
Oh yeah, these channels are for sure the best for grammar-related stuff. But sometimes a question leans more towards general linguistic theory and there might be some experts out there who might not get a chance to give a thorough reply. 😄
Just depends on the question really.
thorn pelican
oh oh i've forgotten the term for it but i think i know the concept that may be behind it
like in big bad wolf
inner marten
Oh shoot, there is a term and now it's hiding from me
buoyant coral
@buoyant coral I believe because ihnen is the dative 3rd person plural pronoun, and therefore encapsulates to/for them
@inner marten danke!
thorn pelican
and in how vowels change in conjugation
ablaut reduplication!
@inner marten that's it ^
thorn pelican
of course like all things in language there are certain patterns build through years of cultural use that violate that - but that's just a matter of 'you hear something so many times one way that any other way sounds wrong'
inner marten
Ah, apparently that refers specifically to words which are repeats with changed vowels (tick-tock, etc.) , but I think that the impetus remains even if the word changes, so. Hrm
Semi ablaut reduplication?
thorn pelican
the reduplication is specifically with such pairs like tick-tock
ablaut itself is the general system of sound change
/ the rules of the sound changes
e.g. sing sang sung
inner marten
Welp. That sounds pretttty general to me, so I'd be surprised if it weren't common in German
inner marten
It did appear to be, yes
thorn pelican
e.g. singen sangen gesungen
inner marten
From-sound, or something like that?
Wait, ab is away from in Latin. I can't remember it in German. One sec
thorn pelican
there's probably a complicated explicit set of rules written down somewhere. but after exposure to enough german you can kinda get a feel of how the vowels will change in strong verbs and make a half-decent guess at the simple past and perfect forms based on the vowel in the infinitive
inner marten
Yeah! I've been relieved at that
Yeah, ab is from in German, too
I knew that. I started doubting myself.
thorn pelican
eh german probably got it from latin, or both from pie
inner marten
Mmmm. I'm sort of impatiently waiting for the day that I know German well enough to have a feel for its roots the way I do with English and Latin and Greek. A great deal of them are spottable, but I just don't yet have enough exposure, and as much as there are a huge number of cognates to English, there are a huge number of very strange things, or stuff that has shifted to such an extent that until I touch on it a lot I'm not likely to recognize it in the new form
But I've only been at it for, like, 18 days according to Duolingo, so I think I'm allowed to still suck. -_-
thorn pelican
english vocab is about 20% latin, 20% german, 20% french (and then the rest nordic and other)- german tends to make up more common / lower-class words, latin the technical terms, and french the upper-class words.
e.g. the farmer has a cow - kuh (german), but the chef in the palace has beef - bouef (french)
inner marten
Or personal pronouns and all that. Very German
thorn pelican
a combination of german and norse
inner marten
Yeah? Interesting
thorn pelican
You is related to Ihr iirc, not du
inner marten
Well that's strange
thorn pelican
not really when you know the history
du is the informal you, and originally, thou was the informal you in english
english dropped the informal you and just started being overly formal with everyone
inner marten
But, like, mir, mich, ich. Seems like a realllllly short jump to me and I. Euch - you. Sie-she. Es-it. Wir-we. Uns-us/ours.
Oh yeah!
inner marten
Ah, I see
fierce idol
To that Ablaut thing
there's probably a complicated explicit set of rules written down somewhere. but after exposure to enough german you can kinda get a feel of how the vowels will change in strong verbs and make a half-decent guess at the simple past and perfect forms based on the vowel in the infinitive
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_strong_verb#West_Germanic
Here are 7 classes (you have to scroll down, there are English and Old German before).
Duden counts 39 classes with some having just one verb, so yeah, I would say it doesn't really pay off to learn the 'rules' :p
thorn pelican
yeah it's one of those things you more build an unconscious intuitive for through sheer exposure
inner marten
Oh geeze. Yeah, so far the verbs have followed preeeeetty trackable patterns. I am usually only caught off guard by the 2nd person plural form.
For now I think I'm going to try and get a sense for prepositions, since they confuse the ever living heck out of me so far
Do some Germans use an Oxford comma, or is that a strictly English thing?
long whale
If they do, it's because they don't know any better. ;) We do use commas in lists, but not before the final "and": Ich brauche Hefte, Stifte, Bücher und einen Radiergummi. @inner marten
inner marten
Oh, noooooo. I love my precious Oxford comma. 😭
Danke
I need to start tipping you and Basementality for your devotion and patience
cobalt folio
Are there any natives/confident speakers who would be willing to be my "discord pen pal"? i.e. converse with me through discord text to help me practice?
I know there are apps out there for communicating with natives but I always find them so awkward
thorn pelican
there are a bunch of natives who hang out here (yellow names). imo the best way to have regular conversations is get to k ow them in the general chats and build a friendly relationship that moves to dms from there. it's much easier to maintain a long term conversation with someone you consider a friend than a complete stranger so building those legitimate friendships is a good way to find a long term speaking partner. and who doesn't like making friends anyhow
cobalt folio
That's a good point, I'd like to join in more in nur deutsch but it takes me so long to write a message out the conversation's already moved on lol
celest frost
I also feel that chat is being dominated a little too much by natives
if you want a free practice partner, you should offer something in return, like maybe you can help with another language they're learning
thorn pelican
Please don't discourage them from speaking. It makes far better reading than the constant cycle of 'hallo wie gehts' and when an active convo is going I feel more inclined to chip in
celest frost
that's a good point
viscid robin
Hey Leute ich vorbereite auf meine Goethe B2 Prüfung und ich habe diese Thema gefunden
Energie Sparen heißt : Wasser sparen,nicht viele Licht benutzen und so weiter...oder ?
warum steht im dritte Punkt Nennen ....und ''Nachteile'' ?
gibt es Nachteile dafür !!!! ???? ich bin verrückt 
Ich habe noch eine Frage, kann Energie Sparen heißt,dass man über Solarenegie und Windenergie oder Atomenergie sprechen muss ? Das ist B2 Prüfung und glaube ich, dass man einfacher sprechen soll .
quartz lantern
Well you could exaggerate, do without power and go back to the stone ages. Quite some energy saved
Considering you talked about Solar and Nuclear energy, maybe there's a point of buying new energy saving products being comparatively expensive?
viscid robin
@quartz lantern Thanks alot ❤️
tardy carbon
you might get a better response if you indicated what you wanted to practice
like if you have exercises you wanna go through with someone or what not
wicked smelt
How is duolingo's reputation for german? I know that it's pretty crap for asian languages...
Do you guys have any german music recommendations? Im into indie, pop, rock music 🙂 Thank you!
plain umbra
faq duo
stoic mauveBOT
regal cairn
wintry thistle
I am confused regarding the translation of the preposition about in German. I see über, um, gegen, an all being used as the translation and I’m really losing it
knotty flax
The Translation depends on the word you are refering it to.
Example:
I am talking about my school - Ich rede über meine Schule / Ich rede von meiner Schuler
It's about six meters long - es ist etwa/um die sechs Meter lang (also: Es ist etwa um die sechs Meter lang ... Actually there are much more ways to translate 'about' in this sentence)
about one O'clock - gegen eins / gegen ein Uhr
The only way to translate it with "an" I could think of would be like:
It's about 2 cm high - es ist an die zwei Zentimeter hoch
So there are even more ways to translate it...😉 @wintry thistle
wintry thistle
I saw an being used especially with people
But I don’t know how to learn this, over time I guess you get used to it, but it’s really frustrating not knowing which one to use when you are talking or writing, as it seems to me that there is no rule
knotty flax
Can you give me an example for the usage of "an" that you mean? That would really interest me
long whale
If it's any consolation: prepositions are one of the biggest headaches in a great many languages (just ask anybody who's learning English. Or French. Or Polish). ;) @wintry thistle
knotty flax
It would be interesting to See like a comparison which language has how many prepositions🤔
Was kritisiert sie an der Sendung?
@wintry thistle oh OK..yeah that makes sense
wintry thistle
@long whale they cause headaches especially after a day of studying and you suddenly encounter a new translation of a preposition you thought you knew, and it feels like a friend just betrayed you
long whale
@knotty flax Spanish doesn't have that many prepositions. That doesn't make it any easier, though. Not in my experience, at least. ;)
knotty flax
Noo...that was not what i meant😅
wintry thistle
I think whats worse is that I speak Italian natively and I’m proficient in English and I often encounter similarities to both languages, so sometimes I get even confused about which language to use to learn
knotty flax
I would only be interesting to See the extremes a language can have
Like the 15 cases in finnish
fervent kernel
Yes
wraith stirrup
Der hat schon "Guten Tag" gesagt
Der, die, das, können Pronomen sein.
der = er
das = es
die = sie
fervent kernel
Hmmm
wraith stirrup
Also,
Der hat schon etwas gesagt = Er hat schon etwas gesagt.
fervent kernel
What’s hat?
wraith stirrup
haben
wraith stirrup
Seit zwei Monaten
To form the past tense, you conjugate "haben" and use the past participle of the other word
so sagen -> gesagt
Ich habe gesagt
Du hast gesagt
Er hat gesagt
Wir haben gesagt
I said
You said
He said
We saif
hearty blaze
Can I use "hübsch" everywhere I can use "süß"? Is there any difference in connotation?
fallow ledge
Somewhat of a difference
Hübsch is like pretty and süß is like cute
I just googled hübsche and süße Katze and heres the difference
Hübsch
Süß
humble fractal
guys is there a list of important adjectives with translations?
long whale
Try googling "German frequently used adjectives". I got lots of results, one of them was this: https://mydailygerman.com/german-adjectives/ and they all appeared to include the English translation. :)
@humble fractal
humble fractal
thanks for that
celest frost
there are cat pics in the chat, so no further questions are allowed
mossy helm
unkempt spoke
Good day
Does anyone here have good hearing practices for B2 exams?
I'd appreciate a lot
That and reading comprehension
long whale
How about googling "German B2 practice test"? And/Or "Deutsch B2 Modellprüfung"? Usually renders quite good results. ;)
@unkempt spoke
unkempt spoke
Ah I just wasn't sure if I could get really good ones, but I'll just do thay then
Thank you
hearty blaze
What's the difference between "da rein" and "da drin"?
glossy marsh
Motion towards and presence within.
Du gehst da rein.
You will go in there.
Sie ist da drin.
She is (already) in there.
hearty blaze
so, "wirf ein paar Handys da rein" is like, throw a few cell phones in there
but, "wird ein paar Handys da drin" is like, throw a few Handys (already) in there?
and the second one doesn't really make sense right?
bronze garnet
yeah second one doesnt really make sense, i would think you want me to get in there and throw some phones around that are already in there
hearty blaze
lol, that made me laugh, thanks @bronze garnet and @glossy marsh !
ember mason
In welchen Fällen soll man ''der selbe'' usw. zusammenschreiben und in welchen nicht? Kann man es überhaupt trennen?
unkempt spoke
What's the usage of wurden?
thorn pelican
wurden is the simple past tense form of werden
@unkempt spoke ^
As a result you also see it in the simple past form of vorgangspassiv
long whale
In welchen Fällen soll man ''der selbe'' usw. zusammenschreiben und in welchen nicht? Kann man es überhaupt trennen?
@ember mason Immer zusammenschreiben: https://www.korrekturen.de/beliebte_fehler/der_selbe.shtml
:)
shell anchor
If i wanted to say someone is in another country at this present moment eg. Germany, do i have to use all these words or is there a simpler way of saying it?
jetzt gerade im moment ist sie in Deutschland.
ember mason
@ember mason Immer zusammenschreiben: https://www.korrekturen.de/beliebte_fehler/der_selbe.shtml
@long whale Danke!
long whale
If i wanted to say someone is in another country at this present moment eg. Germany, do i have to use all these words or is there a simpler way of saying it?
jetzt gerade im moment ist sie in Deutschland.
@shell anchor No, you dont. "Sie ist gerade in Deutschland", "Sie ist zurzeit/zur Zeit in Deutschland", "Sie ist im Moment in Deutschland", "Sie ist derzeit in Deutschland" - those would all work. :)
shell anchor
@long whale woah, thanks for all the examples 😳
unkempt spoke
@thorn pelican thank you!
deft perch
Wussten Sie davon? Nichts beginnt mit N und endet mit S!
latent wadi
Nix
hearty blaze
nie vs niemals vs nirendwann (is this last one a thing?)
tidal sedge
Nie and niemals are basically the same.
and nirGendwann doesnt really exist but its basically a opposite to irgendwann
nirgendwann also means never and formed as the opposite of irgendwann (eventually)
hearty blaze
Thank you! @tidal sedge
buoyant coral
What's the best way of saying why are you learning German?
Warum lernst du Deutsch or Warum bist du Deutsch lernen?
fervent kernel
y a t'il des français ici ?
buoyant coral
only the first one works
@bronze garnet thanks!
brittle basin
hello there, could someone explain me what is the difference between "unterstreichen" and "betonen"?
autumn sapphire
in the sense of emphasising something, they mean the same, but each has other meanings that aren't shared by the other
betonen can refer to the syllable of a word that is stressed, unterstreichen can't
unterstreichen can literally mean to underline something visually, betonen can't
brittle basin
@autumn sapphire Thank you!
unkempt spoke
A question really quick. How do you properly use lasen?
And also a bit of clarification of prepositions like wegen, dank, außerhalb, and innerhalb
I think dank for this is like "thanks to x, y happened"
But not sure
The exercise i have this for is this
So thought of asking why using those options exactly
long whale
A question really quick. How do you properly use lasen?
@unkempt spoke Wir/Sie lasen letztes Jahr viele Bücher. (We/They read a lot of books last year.) Please note that this form of the German past tense (called Präteritum) is only used in formal writing (essays, newspapers, books, etc.). Exceptions are modal verbs, "haben" and "sein", which are mostly used in Präteritum when referring to past events, whether in speaking or writing. The usual way of saying "We/They read a lot of books last year" would be "Wir/Sie haben letztes Jahr viele Bücher gelesen" (using a form of the past tense called Perfekt in German, which does NOT correspond to the meaning of the English perfect tense).
unkempt spoke
Ah wait maybe I misspelled the word
Lassen? I think it was
Think it was something like letting
But i was confused in the ways is used
long whale
Argh!
That's a whole different kettle of fish.
And yes, "lassen" does mean "to let", but it's also used where you wouldn't use "let" in English, for example in "Ich habe mein Auto reparieren lassen" (I had my car repaired), i.e. I didn't do it myself. Is that where you got confused? @unkempt spoke
As to your exercise, yes, the choices do seem a bit arbitrary at times. Your question would be easier to answer if you asked about particular sentences, though. :) @unkempt spoke
unkempt spoke
Ahhhh i see
So it's like letting someone or something do something
And I'm confused as to when to use them
Like in the first option to fill in the pic. Why those options and not others?
long whale
Which ones would you like to use in addition to those indicated?
So it's like letting someone or something do something
@unkempt spoke Exactly, but not only in the sense of "allowing someone to do something". :)
unkempt spoke
I mean like the first one
The teacher said there are 3 possible words. I wondered why others couldn't
But I think some of those are only for time? I think?
Like innerhalb and außerhalb? I'm not sure what they mean
long whale
They mean inside/outside [of] or within. Those wouldn't really work with an anniversary, would they?
@unkempt spoke
unkempt spoke
Ohhh
Right. Then the person who explained me wasn't super sure
Is there an example with them? That I can I see I mean
Would it work in a sentence of "we have to do the exam within the time limit" then?
long whale
"innerhalb des Zeitlimits", yup.
Also with places: außerhalb der EU - outside of the EU
Also figuratively: within the legal framework... - innerhalb des gesetzlichen Rahmens...
@unkempt spoke
unkempt spoke
Ahhhhh
I see! Ok now I know why the example was in an office setting
These make sense
And Dank for cases like this is like...
"Thanks to"?
Like "thanks to the rain yesterday the flowers had a lot of water"
Or something
?
long whale
Thanks to your help I understood - Dank deiner Hilfe habe ich es verstanden (makes sense)?
unkempt spoke
Ahhh i see
I think I understand these a bit better
I think i can do more exercises with them now in my book
I couldn't go to that class so I've been so confused
long whale
Yes, dank des gestrigen Regens bekamen die Blumen viel Wasser (although that's a bit awkward, but it's not ideal in English, either, is it? ;) )
unkempt spoke
Yeah i just couldn't think of an example on the fly
^^,
I guess it was like a "thanks to the weather we could do this" kind of thing
That I was thinking of i mean
long whale
Yup. Same as in English, you wouldn't say "Thanks to his illness, he couldn't finish the work", right? :D
humble remnant
@unkempt spoke what textbook are you using?
unkempt spoke
Aspekte neu @humble remnant
soft berry
found some lyrics from a german song i love
it says Ich schieß mich weg
translation says it means: I shoot myself away
but is this the literal meaning ? or some idiom in german that idk ?
humble remnant
not going to lie, it kinda sounds like a way to say "i'll off myself"
but i'm not sure
or it could mean "i'll disappear" in the sense of leaving very quickly
soft berry
hhhm okay
maybe if i give u the rest lyrics , u will understand better
Ich schieß mich weg
Bratatatata
Ich schieß mich weg
Jede Nacht und jeden Tag
Ich schieß mich weg
Bratatatata
SuperMegaGeilFettFantastischWunderbar
humble remnant
keine ahnung sieht für mich wie Unsinn aus
long whale
That rather sounds as if somebody's saying "I take so many drugs all the time, I'm out of it", but what do I know? (Particularly the "out of it" part - there might be a much better way of saying that. 🤷)
soft berry
hhhm well its okay guys
its gabber , i guess i should had instantly understood it wouldnt make sense XD
Jebroer & Dr Phunk - Wunderbar - this is the song if anyone is wondering
pure kernel
"diese Gruppe erweist eine niedrigere Sterblichkeitsrate" ist das korrekt?
delicate tiger
erweist -> hat
pure kernel
also geht es nur mit hat?
long whale
aufweisen -> diese Gruppe weist ... auf @pure kernel
Because "erweisen" is more like "to turn out", as in "it turns out to be easy" (es erweist sich als einfach).
pure kernel
Danke schön
vagrant gorge
Hello! I just got a job as a moderator (I check posts to make sure they follow the rules and ban when necessary) and I was wondering if there is a German word for this?
vagrant gorge
Danke!
humble remnant
bitte!
ember mason
Ich kann den Satz nicht verstehen. Kann jemand ihn bitte übersetzen?
ember mason
Fängt aber einfach so an. Moment, ich werde weitersuchen
delicate tiger
Freud maß zu. (zumessen) simplified
delicate tiger
Freud maß den Träumen Gewicht zu. (less simplified)
fossil wolf
Gut Danke
fervent kernel
you can google german radio stations and listen live
junior eagle
Hi
Kann jemand gute deutsche youtubern empfehlen?
Ich suche, aber ich kann nicht finden wer nicht langweilig ist
Oder netflix-serien, es ist egal
wispy spindle
Können Sie mir deutsche Bücher empfehlen ?
mental sparrow
der kleine prinz
war gut für mich
also ichhabe eine frage
how can we differentiate between "their" and "your" pronouns since they are both "ihr" in german?
glossy marsh
If you're using singular "their", such as
That is their [the man/woman] bike.
then use the singular sein/ihr.
We don't have really "they" as a singular pronoun.
mental sparrow
i see..... one is in capital letter(polite) and the equivalet of their is in small letters
junior eagle
And when you use the polite one, make sure you use plural as well
- Herr Müller (Ihr) helfen für die Schüler.
(i hope this is correct)
long whale
- Herr Müller (Ihr) helfen für die Schülerin.
@junior eagle Um, no. Herr Müller, Sie helfen der Schülerin. (Mr. Müller, you're helping the student.) (In case that's what you wanted to say.) :)
junior eagle
Oh yes, thank you :) @long whale
glossy marsh
The polite "your" listed in the image.
mental sparrow
cant i use it in a singular way like being polite to one person
zinc pier
this was also the case in english up till the 1700s or so
junior eagle
@junior eagle Um, no. Herr Müller, Sie helfen der Schülerin. (Mr. Müller, you're helping the student.) (In case that's what you wanted to say.) :)
@long whale
I mean that Mr. Müller is helping the student.
zinc pier
hence ‘you are’
mental sparrow
herr muller(er)
junior eagle
Oh okay i get it now
mental sparrow
i believe
glossy marsh
Yes:
Herr Müller hilft ...
Er hilft ...
junior eagle
I have a different question. So i'm learning for B2, and i know how to use passiv, and my teacher said that it will be very good if i use it in my letters. The problem is, i can not use it :D Like i don't know where to use it (if you know what i mean)
My languange has no such thing as passiv, and i don't really know, when i need to use it
mental sparrow
simple answer : reverse sentences and put werden in the middle
example "ich sehe es"would be (i think) "es wird gesehen"
junior eagle
Yea i know, but i didn't have that tought before like "oh! This is a good sentence to make it passiv"
zinc pier
(hmm what language do you speak? if you dont mind me asking)
mental sparrow
well if you are like me (a beginner) it is much easier to avoid them for now until have the basics down.i understand pasive sentences but with my current level it is safer for me to not use them
glossy marsh
*gesehen, Jordan.
junior eagle
(hmm what language do you speak? if you dont mind me asking)
@zinc pier
Hungarian
glossy marsh
`Es wird gesehen.
zinc pier
ah yeah hungarian has other stuff where many langs have passives
junior eagle
Yess
mental sparrow
well my default language woul be engish but i also use turkish and arabic to some extent in my daily
life
zinc pier
i can try to explain general stuff about passives if you’d like
mental sparrow
that would be nice
zinc pier
but idk much about the specifics of the german passive
junior eagle
Maybe you use passiv when you have a small sentence?
- Ich schreibe die Hausaufgabe. Die Hausaufgabe wird geschrieben.
zinc pier
so let’s say we have a sentence ‘Alice sees Bob’
here alice does the act of seeing, and bob is the thing/person being seen
there are two main cases where you might use the passive
a) you want to focus on the fact that Bob was seen, and the fact that Ailce is the one doing the act of seeing is not important
b) you don’t want to specify who saw Bob
so for a) you can change ‘Alice sees Bob’ > ‘Bob is seen by Alice’
and for b) you can just say ‘Bob is seen’
is this understandable so far?
junior eagle
Yess, this helps me a lot thank you
mental sparrow
yes very
junior eagle
I understand now
zinc pier
another thing: in the first, Bob would be in the accusative, but in the second bob would be in the nominative
(of course Bob is a proper noun so this isn’t seen directly here)
mental sparrow
i had a vague idea about how to form pasives.but i didnt now where to use them.so this was helpful for me too in that regard
round sable
When you want to say what you are doing or where something is (i.e. when there is no motion involved), you use the accussative?
inner marten
Nouns are in the nominative case when they are performing the action, accusative when an action is being done to them, and dative when the action taken is related to it but not strictly done to it. I (nominative) gave the book (accusative) to you (dative). This is tricky for English speakers, since we tend to rearrange to things like "I gave you the book", which makes it look like "you" is what is being acted upon, when in fact I am acting upon the book in relation to you. For motion, in German, things get different: Ich stehe in dem Laden. I (nominative) stand in the store , and here store is Dative. I am not performing the action upon the store, but acting, and I happen to be in the store. Not that Laden is masculine, so dativication moves from der to dem. But if we say Ich gehe in den Laden, suddenly I -am- acting upon the store. I'm going into it. I'm entering it. That's when it forces accusative. A good way to test this is to think about your verb phrase. The first is "I stand." Boring, perhaps, but it doesn't seem like I'm necessarily missing information. But the second is "I go in." And that feels incomplete. I go in where? Into the store. In the first, I stand is a complete statement with a locality defined, and that's just detail. In the second, what I am entering is critical to the meaning. In this particular example, this is the difference between a transitive and intransitive verb phrase. To stand is intransitive -- it doesn't link between a subject and an object. To go in is transitive -- it is fundamentally concerned with a subject acting upon an object.
Bear in mind that the verb "to be" does -not- trigger accusative, I (nominative) am the man (-also- nominative). Think if it like an equal sign. Er (nom) ist der Mann (nom).
icy flax
When you want to say what you are doing or where something is (i.e. when there is no motion involved), you use the accussative?
@round sable pretty straightforward rule that almost always works if you remember about syntax, the function of things in a sentence:
direct object (answer a what-question) needs Akkusativ.
indirect object (answer a to-whom-question) needs Dativ.
As a specific rule, when you are talking about places, if there is movement involved (and the preposition permits) it is akkusativ, otherwise, static, you are in a very clear dativ case. Don't worry much with it right now, but try to read news, try books. While you do so, pay attention on the declination and ask yourself "buoh.. why is a 'der' instead of a 'die'?". This helps a lot too.
Hopefully I wasnt too redundant to what @inner marten said.
fervent kernel
I have a question, where goes the accusative object?, next to the conjugated verb?, or at the end before the second verb?
Or they're interchangeable?
I'm confused...
fossil wolf
Well it depends on the semtence you mske
Also verbs are always on the second spot in a sentence
So in general so far I have only seen sentences like:
Subject+verb+complement witj accusative
Because the verb is ALWAYS in the SECOND place
So verb and accusative aren t always interchangable
That s what I have learnt so far. Hope ot helps.
sick flume
What does the word ¨mal¨ mean in german? I see it pop up a lot, but the first translation I get from looking it up is medieval
knotty flax
well...Mal or mal can mean many things, depending on the context
https://yourdailygerman.com/meaning-mal/ i tryed to find a website where you can get a better overview...this seems really helpfull
dry lava
Ich wurde in anderes Krankenhaus überwiesen
HAbe ich richtig geschrieben?
oder soll ich "wurde" mit "war" ersetzen?
knotty flax
Ich wurde in ein anderes Krankenhaus überwiesen
dry lava
Ahja
knotty flax
oder soll ich "wurde" mit "war" ersetzen?
@dry lava Nein! "Wurde" ist hier sehr wichtig, weil der Satz im Passiv steht
dry lava
Ich dachte, dass ihr auch Passiv mit "waren" machen könnt
dry lava
Ah, dieses komplizierte Ding
knotty flax
XD
dry lava
knotty flax
Mein Favorit ist aber Futur II Passiv
knotty flax
Die Kuchen werden gegessen worden sein
dry lava
In Englisch ist es einfach "I was transferred to another hospital", aber in Deutsch verwendet ihr zwei Optionen und verstehe ich die Unterscheidung nicht
"Ich wurde in ein anderes Krankenhaus überwiesen"
VS
"Ich war in ein anderes Krankenhaus überwiesen worden (Brauche ich "worden" hier?)"
dry lava
knotty flax
Ja, du brauchst das "worden"
Ich bin in ein anderes Krankenhaus überwiesen worden
das ist eigentlich sogar die häufigste variante
@dry lava
dry lava
Perfekt?
knotty flax
Ja!
knotty flax
klingt beides gut, kommt ein bisschen auf den Kontext an
dry lava
okay
Hm, ich vermute, dass es häufiger "kommt auf...an" ist, zu benutzen als "hängt von... ab"
knotty flax
Hmmm...🤔 vielleicht🤷♂️
dry lava
Verwendest du manchmal das "von.. abhängen"?
knotty flax
klar
dry lava
klar? sure?
knotty flax
ja
knotty flax
gerne
dry lava
frei legen/machen
Meinen sie die Gleiche?
Ich habe meinen Oberkörper frei gelegt/gemacht
@knotty flax 
knotty flax
"Freilegen " benutzt man nicht für Körperteile
Bsp.: Die Forscher legen die Ruinen frei.
Der Arzt will, dass ich mich freimache.
dry lava
aaa
knotty flax
bbb
knotty flax
?
knotty flax
In einem Nebensatz ja, genau
dry lava
oooo
knotty flax
Ja, es passt gut
dry lava
Es kann vorkommen, dass man krank wird -- Was ist mit diesem?
knotty flax
Sehr gut
dry lava
aber
Es kann dir vorkommen, dass du krank wirst
nicht
Es kann vorkommen, dass du krank wirst
?
knotty flax
Es kann dir vorkommen, dass du krank wirst
@dry lava du kannst sagen "Es kann dir so vorkommen, als würdest du krank werden" aber das heißt eher so viel wie "You can feel like you're getting sick"
dry lava
Ich dachte, dass es ist wie "It can occur/happen that you get sick"
knotty flax
Dass wäre dann die zweite Variante "Es kann vorkommen, dass du krank wirst"
Aber das hattest du schon richtig gemacht😉
knotty flax
Ja
knotty flax
"Herr"? Ich bin doch nicht Gott😆
glossy marsh
Genau, das bin ich.
knotty flax
Definitiv
fervent kernel
Tevye, zu was du hast sich derlebt! Aso tracht ich mir und kuck durch der glezerner Tür und derze(??) epes a meydel dreit sich arum. "Apnim a pokoyove seiere", tracht ich mir. Machmes die augen ihre seinen wie bei a ganavte.
Do you guys think this word is German?
Trying to read a classic in Judeo-German, but there's a lot of Slavic and Hebrew words in between x)
knotty flax
I don't know it🤷♂️
fervent kernel
Perhaps "ersehe"?
wintry thistle
Es folgt nun eine kleine Pause für Zwischendurch
Why is zwischendurch capitalized here, I cant find a translation as a noun
long whale
Because the person who wrote this isn't very good at German? Because "a little interval for inbetween" doesn't make much sense in the first place? ;) No, seriously, where is that from? @wintry thistle
wintry thistle
Its from sicher! b2 book
Or rather Transkriptionen
Halp
These things make so much damage
long whale
sigh
wintry thistle
So this sentence doesn’t really make sense, I’m wasn’t wrong to be confused?
long whale
Correct. No, you weren't. 🤷 Just... try to forget about it, okay? Bad things happen in life, and this is one of them.
wintry thistle
This sucks, now I’m gonna doubt what I’m learning
Or at least second guess things I don’t understand
long whale
Think positive. You thought it didn't make much sense - it doesn't.
wintry thistle
Also, it says further down "spüren Sie den Kontakt mit ..., der Unterlage"
long whale
Mm?
die Unterlage - what you're actually lying on: the mat, the blanket, your coat, whatever.
wintry thistle
Ohhh ok
I saw this and I was very confused
"Feel the contact with the document"
Ultimate business strategy
long whale
For the record: it does mean all those things. But also, when it's cold and you want to sit somewhere outside, you'd best put an "Unterlage" on whatever you're going to sit on.
wintry thistle
I see. This was confusing because the chapter is called in der Firma and it’s supposed to be work-related words and topics
wintry thistle
Thank you for helping, I don’t know how I’d deal with this alone, thank god this server exists
long whale
You're very welcome. still giggling
sleek remnant
Hi guys, does anyone know a site where I can find shows and movies dubbed in German?
rain sphinx
Hi guys, does anyone know a site where I can find shows and movies dubbed in German?
@sleek remnant dosnt netflix and other services allow you to do so?
I dont know about tv and movies, but for news there is the german channel dw.com
sleek remnant
We don't have Netflix service here but if someone can confirm it that it has that service I will surely find a way to get an account
sleek remnant
I'll look it up then, thank you for the quick reply!
long whale
@sleek remnant There's lots of German dubbed stuff on youtube, too, isn't there?
sleek remnant
I keep trying to find it, but most are 4 minutes and out of context clips which is really hard for me to understand even a little
sleek remnant
I'll check it out! Thank you!
sleek remnant
Already subscribed to them, that channel and Learn German with Anja really helped😁
wintry thistle
Here you can find different things, news shows documentaries
A lot of them have subtitles
I like the heute show
sleek remnant
Added that site too! Thank you again!
keen kelp
@wintry thistle Hi!! I like the heute show but I dont know their schedule on the website. Do u know their broadcast schedule?
mental sparrow
@wintry thistle where kann i find an A2 or B1 version of the book you shared earlier"sicher"
thorn pelican
@mental sparrow Sicher only comes in B1+ and up. The Menschen series is the equivalent beginner series. I think Schritte may also be similarly equivalent
mental sparrow
i see ... so they are all hueber products
thorn pelican
yeah
hueber does a bunch of german textbooks of all sorts
not just those on the sites linked above
https://shop.hueber.de/en/sprache-lernen/deutsch-als-fremdsprache-daf-daz.html
wintry thistle
@wintry thistle Hi!! I like the heute show but I dont know their schedule on the website. Do u know their broadcast schedule?
@keen kelp I think the Show airs on Fridays and gets uploaded on the website on Saturdays
buoyant coral
if i wanna say "i hope that i'm fluent in the future" fliessend bin is better here?
ich hoffe, dass ich in der Zukunft fliessend bin
bronze garnet
just fließend sounds a bit weird to me, i would combine it with something like either the language or for example sprechen: "... fließend Deutsch (sprechen) kann"
buoyant coral
Ah ok
bronze garnet
and i think heute show is on summer break
buoyant coral
ich hoffe, dass ich in der Zukunft fliessend Deutsch sprechen bin? (i hope that i'm fluent in German in the future)
bronze garnet
sprechen werde/kann or just spreche, bin doesn't work
buoyant coral
oh ok
bronze garnet
... fließend in Deutsch bin should work i think?
buoyant coral
ah ok thx
bronze garnet
it sounds weird to me without combining it with sprechen/können but ive seen that before at least
thorn pelican
that's only for the building of the perfekt and other past tenses or tenses where haben and sein are auxiliary verbs
thorn pelican
'Change of state' is one way people explain the rules for that without having to go into the technical grammar
But the actual rule is 'sein' is used as the auxiliary verb instead of haben when the verb is an intransitive verb (a verb that does not take a normal direct object) It's just that most intransitive verbs describe a change of state or motion
buoyant coral
ah i see! 🙂
thorn pelican
(iirc reflexive intransitive verbs and verbs describing a single moment in time still use haben tho)
buoyant coral
Oh
thorn pelican
wait let me think about the time one
buoyant coral
ok
thorn pelican
flowers blooming uses haben
sick flume
Can someone give me an example on how the genitive cases are used?
thorn pelican
okay other way around. some verbs that happen over a long period of time take haben
Das ist das Haus des Mannes
- that is the mans house.
Wegen des Regens bin ich sehr nass.
Because of the rain I am very wet
buoyant coral
Can you give me an example of an intransitive verb being used in a sentence?
thorn pelican
Ich bin zu früh aufgewacht. I woke up too early.
Ich bin hier geblieben. I stayed here.
bleiben is a good example of a verb that uses sein that is neither a movement nor a change of state. in fact it reflects the complete opposite
plain umbra
@thorn pelican It's not as simple as it being intransitive or not. The rules are more like this:
If it's transitive: use haben.
If it's intransitive and is a verb of motion or change of state or sein/werden/bleiben: use sein.
If it's intransitive and not one of the above: use haben.
thorn pelican
either way what is defined as a change of state can be bit fuzzy e.g. see blühen
plain umbra
Yes, but I'm just adding that the change of state isn't used as an alternative to the transitive/intransitive definition. They're both relevant and separate factors.
thorn pelican
it's generally a good idea to learn the auxiliary with the verb than try and think about the rules and make a guess as it isn't always so obvious which one it should be
plain umbra
Yeah, there aren't that many where you even need to use sein so it's pretty easy to just memorize most of them.
analog halo
Hey guys, is it correct to say: ....,aber in diesem Moment ist das einzige, was für mich wichtig ist, eine Lösung zu finden ? thanks
bitter saffron
Yee it is
summer crystal
Would "halb vor zehn" (9:30) sounds weird for a German? Or they only accept "halb zehn" (9:30)?
sly ferry
yeah that doesn't work, halb zehn is the only correct form
summer crystal
Danke!
rugged talon
Hallo. Was bedeutet "machs über verlag"?
hushed coyote
Ich habe deine buch übersetzt (Is this sentence correct?)
fervent kernel
The article for 'Buch' is das Buch.
hushed coyote
your book dein buch. Ich habe dein buch übersetzt. ♥
stable pawn
What's the deal with the nach in meiner Meinung nach? Is it a fixed phrase? According to Wiktionary it can be used as a postposition meaning "according to" -- could I say Wiktionary nach hat dieses Wort viele Bedeutungen? I'd've just used laut...
long whale
See III here: https://www.dwds.de/wb/nach
icy flax
What's the deal with the nach in meiner Meinung nach? Is it a fixed phrase? According to Wiktionary it can be used as a postposition meaning "according to" -- could I say
Wiktionary nach hat dieses Wort viele Bedeutungen? I'd've just used laut...
@stable pawn der Wikipedia nach bla bla bla
The deal is the very same with the english "deal" with the word "after" in older texts. When I try reading the old science texts from XIX, I see many "After Hobbes (asdasdas) the pipe blaba may qweqweqw"
after and nach are close related.
native wigeon
Do people say "Entschuldigungen" when saying "excuse me" to multiple people?
bronze garnet
no, it just remains "Entschuldigung"
knotty flax
"Das ist ganz mir überlassen" sounds better, or more "native"
"Das ist mir ganz überlasse " sounds a bit weird @latent wadi
latent wadi
So it would be
That is all behind me?
because the first one sounsd like its out of my control
knotty flax
Naa, it means something like "it's completely up to me"
knotty flax
Without "hinter mir"?
Uff..maybe "das hat sich alles für mich erledigt" or "das ist alles vorbei"
mental sparrow
in dativ pronouns wouldnt a better equivalent for 'ihr' be 'her' instead of 'she'
buoyant coral
I'm going to watch a movie that's going to be a hour long - Ich werde mir einen Film ansehen, der eine Stunde lang sein wird
Why is "wird" at the end and not "ist"? Where's the process here? Assuming that it's vorgangspassiv?
glossy marsh
Because it's future tense:
It will be an hour long
Er wird eine Stunde lang sein
vs
It is an hour long
Er ist eine Stunde lang
wintry thistle
"Die Angestellten waren anfangs unsicher darüber, aber sie gleich änderten ihre Meinung, als sie die Ergebnisse sahen"
Is this correct?
glossy marsh
Switch gleich and änderten.
fervent kernel
Emes(truly), ich bin aykh takke(really) a guter Freint, laz mir Got helfen a hundert khalek, was ich wintsch aykh! Ir hat dacht sich, gut gesehn wie azoy ich hab aykh gedient nokh in die gute Jahren.
Can you guys make sense of this verb?
delicate tiger
gedacht (denken) / sich etwas denken
standard german: "Ich bin euch wirklich ein guter Freund, lass mir Gott helfen einhundert [Chalek?], das wünsche ich euch!"
"Er hat sich gedacht, gut gesehen wie [azoy?] ich euch gedient hab noch in den guten Jahren"
@fervent kernel
dry lava
Bedeutet das, was ich dachte?
Ich anerkenne: ich kann nicht singen
I acknowledge: I can't sing
ember mason
Ich erkenne an
ember mason
Obwohl... Ich glaube beide sind richtig. Lass ein Muttersprachler das überprüfen. Aber die Übersetzung ist korrekt
ember mason
Ich habe einige Beispiele für ''ich anerkenne'' gefunden in Diskussionsforen und Websites. Sie sind aber relativ selten zu finden. Ich glaube, es ist nicht unbedingt falsch, aber auch nicht üblich. Vielleicht ein Produkt der Sprachumwandlung durch die Zeit.
dry lava
hm
thorn pelican
'ich erkenne an' hat ja recht.
es gibt auch fälle wo 'ich annerkenne' korrekt wäre aber die sind in Nebensätzen z. B
Er ist der Mann, den ich anerkenne.
ember mason
Ja aber trotzdem hab ich manche Fälle gefunden wo das Wort gar nicht in einem Nebensatz war. Aber wie ich vorher sagte waren sie selten zu sehen.
thorn pelican
z. B Aus den 1800ern?
sly ferry
der Mann, den*
ember mason
Ich habe auch eine Diskussion in Wikitionary gefunden wo jemand behauptet, der Unterschied wäre aufgrund des Sprachwandels. Aber wer auch immer das schrieb hat auch ''schein bar'' geschrieben. Ich würde ihn nicht gern trauen
wintry thistle
Schein bar?
sly ferry
I've never seen anerkennen not separated like this tbh, sounds really weird
wintry thistle
Was soll Schein bar heißen?
delicate tiger
I've never seen anerkennen not separated like this tbh, sounds really weird
agree
sly ferry
scheinbar 
ember mason
Ich bin der gleichen Meinung
Wollte nur nicht sagen dass es falsch ist ohne Prüfung zu präsentieren. Und ich hab noch nichts gefunden, dass definitiv sagt, dass dieser Schreibform nicht klappt.
long whale
"unregelmäßiges Verb; erkennt an/(besonders schweizerisch: anerkennt, erkannte an/(besonders schweizerisch: anerkannte, hat anerkannt" Duden, according to https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/ich-anerkenne-vs-erkenne-an.511132/ :)
So, no difference in meaning, but Standard German: ich erkenne an, ich erkannte an vs. Swiss German: ich anerkenne, ich anerkannte. :)
tardy carbon
nein, nicht schweizerdeutsch
schweizerisch ≠ schweizerdeutsch
please distinguish between swiss german and swiss standard german
thorn pelican
swiss standard german - almost exactly the same as german hochdeutsch but with a few different vocabs, less eszett and a nice accent. i can understand swiss standard german to the same level i can understand german standard german.
swiss german - the swiss german dialects. i can possibly pick out a few words that look kinda familar but otherwise aren't entirely sure what's going on.
if you're a german native speaker and depending on your german dialect (if any) you'll have varying degrees of comprehension (but a far better chance than baby learners like us)
ember mason
Und was Susana erklärte war... Schweizerisch?
Und ich vermute, dass das auf Englisch ''swiss german'' ist?
tardy carbon
no, susanna said it wrong too
schweizerisch here just means “is used by swiss people”
it doesn’t refer to the dialects
anerkennen is a standard german word
long whale
I was quoting. Unless you mean "Swiss German" was wrong? In that case, what should I have said?
fervent kernel
"Ober mehr und mehr schreibe ich schneller"
Does this work?
I'm unsure as for the word order. That would be it in Yiddish, but I'm unsure as for Standard German.
It could also be "Schreiben schreibe ich mehr und mehr"
And the verb always, or uh... 90% of the time, comes second, in the second position. Is it like that in Standard German too?
long whale
And the verb always, or uh... 90% of the time, comes second, in the second position. Is it like that in Standard German too?
@fervent kernel In a main clause, the conjugated verb is always in position 2 (unless you've got an elliptical sentence, or someone's being really literary). :) Unfortunately, I really don't know what you want to say, that's why I can't correct your sentence:
"Ober mehr und mehr schreibe ich schneller"
All I can tell you is it doesn't work, no. 🤷
Ich glaube, dass das Buch Interessant sein wird
@rare fable This one is correct, yes. :)
"interessant" doesn't get capitalized, though, as it's an adjective and only nouns get capitalized. :)
sly ferry
"Ob mehr und mehr ich schreibe schneller" could work if there's some follow-up but it's rather old-fashioned and poetic
long whale
I used to think I was reasonably well versed in old-fashioned/poetic language, but I'm really struggling to make sense of this - follow-up or no follow-up. 🤔
"Aber mehr und mehr schreibe ich schneller und schneller"?
sly ferry
[Ob mehr und mehr ich schreibe schneller] [kann nur die Zukunft zeigen] = ich schreibe aktuell sehr langsam und übe es, vielleicht bin ich in zukunft schneller
Ist aber schon eher weit hergeholt, allerdings das einzige was mir spontan eingefallen ist
fervent kernel
Could it be "Ob mehr und mehr schreibe ich schneller kann nur die Zukunft zeigen" too? @sly ferry
long whale
Ah. I see. Shouldn't that be "Ob mehr und mehr ich schneller schreibe [kann nur die Zukunft zeigen]"? 🤔
fervent kernel
What about "Ohhh as for writing, I write more and more, everyday", could I start it with "Schreiben schreibe ich mehr und mehr"?
sly ferry
I guess both work ? I think yours would be more "standard", albeit still very uncommon for modern speech
long whale
Could it be "Ob mehr und mehr schreibe ich schneller kann nur die Zukunft zeigen" too?
@fervent kernel Not as far as I know. And as Spotify said, even with a different word order, it's very uncommon - probably so uncommon very few people would even understand it/consider it in any way correct, you know. :)
What about "Ohhh as for writing, I write more and more, everyday", could I start it with "Schreiben schreibe ich mehr und mehr"?
@fervent kernel No. Your German sentence would translate to "I write more and more documents/official letters". :)
rare fable
@long whale thanks
rugged talon
Hallo liebe Leute. Ich habe eine Frage zu stellen.
In the expression "auf der rechten Seite", why is it "der" and not "den"?
Vielen Dank
near folio
das Wort Seite ist feminin/weiblich und steht in deinem Beispiel im Dativ. Der bestimmte Artikel eines femininen Nomens ist der. Dativ wird hier verwendet, um anzuzeigen, dass sich das Ding (was auch immer es ist) irgendwo befindet
Dieser Artikel könnte dir helfen: http://germanforenglishspeakers.com/nouns/declension-tables/
@rugged talon
rugged talon
@rugged talon
@near folio Hallo Pferd. Danke für die Information und für die Webseite link. Ich bin dir zu Dank verpflichtet 😇
dry lava
Do the sentences mean the same?
"Sie schaut aus dem Fenster heraus"
"Sie schaut aus dem Fenster"
glossy marsh
The meaning is the same here, yes.
bronze garnet
its very close but the first one gives the extra information that you are outside
dry lava
Do you really use rein, raus, rüber and etc instead of "hinaus", "hinüber" and so on in spoken German?
Thanks, btw
bronze garnet
yeah, Komm herein/hinaus/herüber --> Komm raus/rein/rüber
dry lava
Do you use it formally?
bronze garnet
it sounds a lot more natural than the longer ones, i would find it weird if like my friend told me "Komm hinaus"
hmm its definitely more colloquial but in most situations i wouldnt say its super inappropriate or something
eh yeah depends on situation
"Gehen Sie bitte raus" sounds a bit more rude to me than "Gehen Sie bitte hinaus"
dry lava
Oh, that's interesting
I decided
Ich habe (mich) entschieden
Do I really need "mich"?
bronze garnet
Depends. Ich habe entschieden makes me think youre something like a judge that made a decision, Ich habe mich entschieden = I made up my mind
dry lava
Ich habe entschieden, ihm alles zu sagen
What about this one?
I decided to tell him everything
glossy marsh
its very close but the first one gives the extra information that you are outside
@bronze garnet No, it doesn't.
long whale
Doesn't work in German. Yes, you do need the "mich". 🤷
Ich habe entschieden, ihm alles zu sagen
@dry lava
glossy marsh
Do the sentences mean the same?
"Sie schaut aus dem Fenster heraus"
"Sie schaut aus dem Fenster"
@dry lava They are the same.
Neither tell you that the viewer is outside.
bronze garnet
Duden says herausschauen = heraussehen = von dort drinnen hierher nach draußen
glossy marsh
Yes. You're looking outside, but are inside.
bronze garnet
She is looking outside
glossy marsh
Yes.
bronze garnet
you/the point of view is outside
glossy marsh
It tells you that you're inside, not outside.
The object you're looking at is outside.
long whale
I agree with TheRiskman. If you're in the same room with her, you'd say "Sie schaut aus dem Fenster hinaus" :)
bronze garnet
There are 2 persons in that sentence, Sie who does the looking and you who observes her
with heraus, you as the observer are outside
dry lava
"von dort drinnen hierher nach draußen" — I'm sacred what could it mean
glossy marsh
Ahh, that's true. I had a different image in mind.
bronze garnet
"from the inside towards here, which is outside"
glossy marsh
Sie ragt aus dem Fenster.
Kann man das nicht auch von innen betrachten, beziehungsweise, im selben Raum, in dem sich auch die Frau befindet?
long whale
I agree with TheRiskman. If you're in the same room with her, you'd say "Sie schaut aus dem Fenster hinaus" :)
@long whale
dry lava
Sie ragt aus dem Fenster hinaus
glossy marsh
Hinaus only gives me the impression that she's looking through a window, not that her body is sticking out of it.
long whale
Sie ragt aus dem Fenster hinaus
@dry lava You wouldn't say this. :)
dry lava
I wouldn't, yes. Too rude 
long whale
It was a joke (or that's what I think). ;)
glossy marsh
Actually, wait.
Hinein/Hinaus are away from the speaker, while Herein/Heraus mean towards the speaker.
Sie schaut heraus.
She is looking towards you. You are outside.
Sie schaut hinaus.
She is looking away from you. You are inside.
Sie schaut herein.
She is looking towards you. You are inside.
Sie schaut hinein.
She is looking away from you. You are outside.
her -> towards the speaker.
hin -> away from the speaker.
ein -> towards the inside.
aus -> towards the outside.
dry lava
DAnk
dry lava
Oh, nein!
O, nein!
What do you use? O/Oh
I mean
How do you write it
no i didnt really mean it
I meant
fuck
Let me ask it again
Hello. I have a question.
What expression do you use and how do you write it?
O, nein!
Oh, nein!
fierce idol
the latter
long whale
@fierce idol https://www.gut-geschrieben.de/interjektion-oh-o/ 😹
Hello. I have a question.
What expression do you use and how do you write it?
O, nein! - Fine without the comma.
Oh, nein! - Fine (with the comma).
@dry lava ;)
long whale
Nah, they say "unglaublich häufig falsch geschrieben" - guilty as charged! ;)
wintry thistle
Is there a specific way of saying "to have creative control over sth." or does a literal translation work in this case?
wintry thistle
Is there a specific way of saying "to have creative control over sth." or does a literal translation work in this case?
@wintry thistle Er hat kreative Kontrolle darüber would this make sense?
glossy marsh
Makes sense to me.
wintry thistle
Thank you 👍
hearty blaze
Why is it "mir ist kalt" but not "ich bin kalt"? or why is it "ich bin gut gelaunt" and not "mir ist gut gelaunt"?
What grammar is going on here?
glossy marsh
Ich bin kalt.
My body is cold to the touch.
Alternatively: I am cold-hearted.
Mir ist kalt.
I am feeling cold/I am freezing/shivering.
hearty blaze
Okay, so switching to dative case is conveying your feeling of coldness and the nominative case is more like a descriptive explanation of your physical body?
glossy marsh
Yep.
In English you can add feeling to I am cold to further cement the meaning:
I am feeling cold.
-> The person is freezing.
I am cold.
Are they freezing, or are they weak of heart?
hearty blaze
I see! Danke Schön!! @glossy marsh
hearty blaze
so, then if I wanted to ask someone if they are feeling cold, I could say ''Ist dir kalt''?
Danke!
wait, so then why isn't it ''bist dir kalt''? why do we use 'ist'? Shoudn't we be using the present tense of 'sein' for 'du' (which is bist)?
glossy marsh
Mir ist
Dir ist
Ihm/Ihr ist
Uns ist
Euch ist
Denen ist
vs
Ich bin
Du bist
Er/Sie/Es ist
Wir sind
Ihr seid
Sie sind
Reflexive vs standard. ^
hearty blaze
wait, is this table called? Is there a table for sein for every case? dative, nominative, accusative, genative?
hearty blaze
I mean, like, mir is dative ich right? I meant is there a conjugation table for all of:
ich, mich, mir
du, bist, dir
...
etc.
Does my question make sense?
glossy marsh
mir is dative ich right?
Miris not a noun.
Dative ich would be:
dem Ich, den Ichs.
Mir ist kalt.
There's no noun here.
No noun, no cases.
hearty blaze
you're right**, I'm sorry, I'm trying to say that in the dative case, 'ich' turns to 'mir' right? like for dative prepositions and the like
long whale
@hearty blaze Yes, that's correct. :)
And as to the "mir ist kalt", think of it as "it is cold for me", okay?
glossy marsh
^
long whale
That'll show you why the verb doesn't change. :)
Because the verb changes according to the subject.
And the subject will not change in this case: It is cold for me/you/him/her... etc. :)
That's why it's mir/dir/ihm/ihr/uns/euch/ihnen ist kalt. :)
Plus, this is kind of an exception. There is just a handful of adverbs you can use it with, like "mir ist schlecht" (I feel sick), "mir ist langweilig" (I feel bored) and a few more.
glossy marsh
^
hearty blaze
wait, sorry, I'm not sure I fully understand. Let me try and paraphrase to see if I get it
"Ich bin kalt" - "I am cold/my body is cold"
"Mir ist kalt" - "It is cold for me"
In the second sentence we use "ist" because the subject is me/my feeling?
The first sentence is "bin" because the subject is my body/personality?
glossy marsh
Yes.
Again, as Susana mentioned, we're working with an exception. You'll encounter a few, but there aren't many.
long whale
Try to use it with langweilig. Here, we have the problem, that in German, it works both for boring and for bored.
So, mir ist langweilig = I feel bored
vs.
ich bin langweilig = I'm boring
;)
hearty blaze
Thank you so much @glossy marsh and @long whale ! sorry for not catching on so fast, but I really appreciate your help ; )
I think I get it now
long whale
Okay. Just remember, it's an exception (within the German language), but it's a very frequently used turn of phrase. And it offers one of the same pitfalls English does: ich bin heiß (I'm sexy) vs. mir ist heiß (I feel hot/flushed; it's too warm for me) :D
fervent kernel
Can I say "Bin ich nicht schuldig" instead of "Ich bin nicht schuldig"?
I've just read it in Tevye der Milkhiker and wondered if it would work in Standard German.
sly ferry
that would make it a question
fervent kernel
Thank you guys! Do you guys think that would ever work with an exclamation point? The guy is talking about his cow that has recently died, and then the book says "... B-bin ich nicht schuldig!"
glossy marsh
It would need more, in that case:
Bin ich nicht schuldig, dann [...]
Am I not guilty, then [...]
thorn pelican
or if the sentence doesn't begin with bin
e.g. there's other info or words e.g. 'also' - anything that would take up position 1 in the sentence
stark crane
warum wir nicht benutzen viele in diese sätze "Entschuldigung, Wie viel Uhr es ist?" Uhr is feminine so es its viele richtig?
autumn sapphire
you're not asking how many, you're asking how much, so viel is not declined in this case
(and it's a set expression so it doesn't matter either way)
dry lava
Ich habe ein Beispiel gesehen, wo "Der Arzt horcht Herz ab" geschrieben wurdet. Und mir ist interessant, ob ihr verwendet die Verb nur mit "Herz", "Lungen" oder nicht?
Kann ich sagen: "Horch mich ab" oder etwas gleiches?
Oder, vielleicht: "Horch den Dialog ab und wähl die richtige Antwort"
dry lava
Wie kann ich das Wort "verschreiben" benutzen, außer dem "Der Arzt verschreibt mir Medikamente"? Ein Beispiel
dry lava
Kann ich "abgehen" verwenden wie "to leave", "to go away"?
"Ich habe abgegangen" -- "I went away", "I left"
Keine Muttersprachler oder C1. Traurig
celest frost
"Der Arzt horcht das Herz ab" ist richtig. Das Verb "abhorchen" kann auch für unerlaubtes Zuhören benutzt werden, z.B.: "Die Polizei horchte das Telefonat ab, um festzustellen, ob der Mann schuldig war"
"Horch mich ab" sagt man niemals. Möglich ist: "Horch!", wenn du jemanden auf ein Geräusch aufmerksam machen willst, wie z.B. zwitschernde Vögel
"Höre dem Dialog zu und wähle die richtige Antwort" ist besser, weil hier kein unerlaubtes Zuhören gemeint ist
"verschreiben" kann man auch für einen Schreibfehler verwenden: "Ich habe mich verschrieben".
oder man kann "sich einer Sache verschreiben", was bedeutet, dass man sein Leben etwas widmet
"abgehen" hört man im Theater, wenn jemand von der Bühne geht. Ansonsten ist "verlassen" oder einfach "gehen" besser. "Ich verließ den Saal" oder "Ich beschloss zu gehen" zum Beispiel.
hoffe, das hilft
dry lava
DANKE
sly ferry
@dry lava try not to trigger the spamfilter next time
celest frost
I see, so that's what happened
dry lava
xD
dry lava
Kann ich "einnehmen" benutzen wie "Unsere Truppen haben das Gebiet eingenommen"?
to take over
dry lava
Okay
Ist das richtige Benutzung des "anordnen"?
"Ich ordne unsere Löffeln auf der Tisch an"
Ich ordne die party an
celest frost
Tisch ist hier Dativ und Löffel ist Akkusativ
"Ich ordne unsere Löffel auf dem Tisch an"
anordnen kann man hier nutzen, aber es hat eher die Bedeutung "in die richtige Reihenfolge bringen"
dry lava
Oopps, das ist der Tisch, nicht die
celest frost
Eine Party anordnen kann man auch, aber hier hat das Verb eher die Bedeutung "befehlen"
"anordnen" hört man also eher, wenn Regierungschefs oder Offiziere etwas bestimmen
dry lava
Wie würden Sie sagen "I arranged the party"?
celest frost
besser: eine Party organisieren/veranstalten
dry lava
ah
celest frost
Ich habe die Party arrangiert/organisiert
oder "ich habe mich um die Veranstaltung der Party gekümmert"
dry lava
Okay. Danke!
celest frost
gern
dry lava
Beschreibt ihr das Wetter wie "gut"? Oder nur "schön"?
Das Wetter ist gut/schön
celest frost
beides geht
dry lava
In meinem Zimmer gibt es viele Bücher = In meinem Zimmer stehen viele Bücher?
celest frost
ja, Bücher stehen im Bücherregal z.B., aber sie können auch "herumliegen"
dry lava
Wie sagt ihr "I don't allow you to walk here"?
"Ich erlaube dir nicht, hier zu gehen"?
knotty flax
I would say " Ich erlaube dir nicht, hier lang zu laufen (/zu gehen)" or "Ich verbiete dir, hier..."
long whale
Wie sagt ihr "I don't allow you to walk here"?
"Ich erlaube dir nicht, hier zu gehen"?
@dry lava There's something missing here. In German, you'd need to be more specific. Either "herumzugehen" (to walk around), or "entlangzugehen" (to walk along here), or "durchzugehen" (to walk through here).
dry lava
I would say " Ich erlaube dir nicht, hier lang zu laufen (/zu gehen)" or "Ich verbiete dir, hier..."
@knotty flax I don't allow you to walk here for a long time?
@dry lava There's something missing here. In German, you'd need to be more specific. Either "herumzugehen" (to walk around), or "entlangzugehen" (to walk along here), or "durchzugehen" (to walk through here).
@long whale klar
Danke Ihnen
knotty flax
"lang" is a shortened version for "entlang" in this cas @dry lava
bronze sonnet
Whats the difference between innen/außen and drinnen/draußen?
celest frost
drinnen/draußen is unspecific as to the location
innen/außen need a reference point. "Der Weihnachtskalender hat innen Schokolade" "Das Haus hat außen ein Hausnummernschild"
"Ich spiele drinnen/im Haus" "Die Wäsche ist draußen/nicht im Haus"
drinnen and draußen are very often used for "inside/outside the house"
dry lava
"Ich habe meinen Projekt abgeschlossen"
"Ich haben meinen Project geendet"
"Ich habe meinen Project fertig gemacht"
Bedeuten sie die Gleiche?
celest frost
"mein Projekt"
"geendet" passt nicht, nimm lieber "beendet"
dann sind die drei gleich
dry lava
Was ist mit Restlichen?
okay
danke
oh, you have a specific word for that: "Der Rest"
I thought I had to make a noun from "restlich"
celest frost
"Was ist mit den Restlichen"
autumn sapphire
if you see -lich, that's an ending for making adjectives out of nouns, so there generally is a noun for that thing, and it's generally the same without the -lich (and possibly an added -e that gets dropped when adding -lich)
i say generally because it's always possible that something stays in use with -lich but its noun equivalent fades away in history and gets replaced by something else
long whale
Like der/die/das Fröh, for example. ;)
dry lava
oh, interesting !
So basically, it would've sounded better, if i'd said, "Was ist mit dem Rest"?
Instead of "mit den Restlichen"
long whale
No. They're both fine. :)
celest frost
that would also work, but your initial idea sounds better
glossy marsh
*salziges.
glossy marsh
Using it as a noun:
Ich desse das Salzige nicht.
The
nichts
implies what follows is an adjective:
I'm eating nothing that's salty.
glossy marsh
^^
long whale
long whale
Can I say, "Ich esse nichts Salziges"?
@dry lava Yes, it's correct. :)
celest frost
puh, ich dachte schon ^^
dry lava
@glossy marsh
celest frost
danke fürs Recherchieren
dry lava
!!!
wintry thistle
Man stellte Jugendlichen unter anderem die Frage, wie sich ihr Medienverhalten in den vergangenen zwei Jahren verändert habe
Why is it habe here?
Is it konjunktiv I?
knotty flax
Yes
wintry thistle
Thank you
knotty flax
That was the shortest answer I ever gave in this channel xD
brittle basin
hello, is there any difference between "das Ziel" and "die Zielsetzung"? Could I use Ziel rather than Zielsetzung in this context: "Im Laufe der Arbeit musste sie ihre Zielsetzung korrigieren."?
glossy marsh
das Ziel
The goal/objective.
die Zielsetzung
The act of setting a goal/objective.
bronze garnet
There is, yes. Ziel is a goal you are trying to achieve (among other things), Zielsetzung is like deciding what the goal is
brittle basin
Thank you guys so much!
dry lava
Wie sagt ihr "I don't speak <Language> well"?
Ich spreche gut deutsch nicht?
Ich kann gut deutsch nicht?
glossy marsh
Ich kann <Sprache> nicht gut sprechen.
Ich bin nicht gut in <Sprache>.
wintry thistle
Am Freitag waren alle Azubis noch mal gemeinsam feiern.
Is this sentence correct? I’ve never seen before waren + Infinitiv being used
glossy marsh
Yes.
wintry thistle
Why is it not haben gefeiert?
glossy marsh
Because it's with waren, not haben.
wintry thistle
I didn’t ask that, I asked why is waren feiern used here and not haben gefeiert. How does it differ from haben gefeiert and in which situations is it used
glossy marsh
They were partying
vs
They had partied
dry lava
It's not allowed = Es ist nicht erlaubt ?
glossy marsh
Yes.
dry lava
Ich habe meine Hausarbeiten abgeschlossen
Ich habe meine Hausarbeiten beendet
Was passt besser?
Oder beide sind gut hier?
fervent kernel
Ich habe die Hausarbeiten/Hausaufgaben fertig gemacht .. meiner Meinung nach klingt das besser.
glossy marsh
^
beendet
This is quite final and is most reserved for completing studies/ending something with finality.
abgeschlossen
Same as above.
thorn pelican
@glossy marsh you quoted the same word twice there
glossy marsh
Thanks, @thorn pelican! 💙
thorn pelican
no worries 💙
dry lava
Ich habe die Hausarbeiten/Hausaufgaben fertig gemacht .. meiner Meinung nach klingt das besser.
@fervent kernel @glossy marsh So, I can call the "Household chores" both "Hausarbeiten" and "Hausaufgaben"?
fervent kernel
Mm, i thought you meant homework there. But No, Hausaufgaben mean homework and Hausarbeiten means chores. My bad
Either way, i still think that "fertig machen" sounds better..
dry lava
Okay. Also, I got another reply that corresponds to your opinion . So, yeah, "ferting machen" is better
fervent kernel
Ich würde gern das Wort 'selbst' benutzen. Also, zb will ich sagen ' she drew herself by herself' -> Sie hat sich selbst gezeichnet . Stimmt das?
celest frost
Das ist richtig
fervent kernel
Und -> sie hat die Vase ihrer Mutter zerbrechen. Sie musst sich selbst deren Ärger ertragen.
celest frost
"zerbrechen" ist besser und der zweite Satz funktioniert nicht
fervent kernel
also, was soll ich beim zweiten Satz schreiben? Ich würde sagen : She should face the wrath of her mother by herself
celest frost
Sie hat die Vase ihrer Mutter zerbrochen. Den Ärger kann sie sich (mal schön) selbst einfahren. (Ich mische mich da nicht ein/Ich helfe ihr nicht)
fervent kernel
hrm.. and,,
celest frost
oder: "Die Strafpredigt kann sie sich alleine anhören."
fervent kernel
if you want to eat, you should earn your own money. Wenn du essen würdest, müsstest du selbst das Geld verdienen.
celest frost
ne
fervent kernel
tbh i still mix up between, whether i can just use reflexive, or with selbst ..
celest frost
Wenn du essen willst, solltest du dir dein eigenes Geld verdienen
oder: solltest du dir dein Geld selbst verdienen
fervent kernel
selbst is right after the word that one would like to emphasize right?
when does one know, whether one should use selbst or not?
celest frost
it works like a compound verb
Ich verdiene selbst.
Ich habe selbst verdient
Ich fange an.
Ich habe angefangen
same word order I think
fervent kernel
does it replace the function of reflexive verbs?
fervent kernel
and to be more exact, reflexiv verbs that means 'self'
celest frost
selbst = "by oneself"
fervent kernel
can i say, ich verdiene mir das Geld instead of ich verdiene selbst ?
celest frost
"mein Geld" is slightly better, but both work
fervent kernel
i grow the apple tree by myself. Ich baue selbst den Apfelbaum an
celest frost
"Ich verdiene mir mein Geld selbst" emphasises that you earn your money by yourself
i.e. you don't need anyone's help
fervent kernel
did you cheat during the test? No, i didn't! I do it by myself. Hast du während der Prüfung geschummelt? Ne! Ich habe selbst die geschrieben!
is that right?
celest frost
"anbauen" is used for smaller stuff on a field, so I wouldn't use it for a tree
"Ich pflanze den Baum selbst an"
"Nein, ich habe die Prüfung selbst geschrieben"
in this context we often say "(ganz) allein" instead of "selbst"
"Ich pflanze den Baum alleine (ohne Hilfe) an."
"Ich habe die Prüfung alleine geschrieben"
fervent kernel
hrmm.... one more..
she answered her questions that she herself came up with by herself. -> Sie hat selbst die Frage, die sie sich selbst ausdacht , aufgelöst . this one?
celest frost
Sie beantwortete (sich) die Fragen, die sich selbst ausgedacht hatte, selbst.
fervent kernel
hrm..... so can i say, when a verb can have reflexive pronouns, it's more preferred (the reflexive form)than the selbst. ?
fervent kernel
so with or without selbst, the sentence still has the meaning by X-self . Right?
selbst is just to emphasize it even more?
fervent kernel
hrmm... it's your own fault that you failed the test. Das war selbst dein Schuld, dass du in der Prüfung durchgefallen bist.
celest frost
"Du bist selbst Schuld, dass du in der Prüfung ...."
or more literal: "Es ist deine eigene Schuld, dass du ..."
"Ich soll für ihn Holz hacken. Das kann er (schön) selbst machen."
"machen" isn't reflexive here, even though it can be
fervent kernel
i have cooked dinner for myself by myself . Ich habe selbst für mich das Abendessen gekocht
celest frost
Ich habe mein Abendessen selbst gekocht
fervent kernel
and how do you know where to put the selbst?
celest frost
it sticks to the verb like like other compounds do
abfahren -> "Der Zug fährt ab". "Der Zug ist abgefahren"
so it goes to the end for regular sentences and it sticks to the verb for Perfekt
Der Zug fährt (von) selbst. "Der Zug ist (von) selbst gefahren."
fervent kernel
With her vast knowledge in Biology, she has found the antidote by herself. Mithilfe ihres umfassenden Wissens in Biologie hat sie das Antidot selbst entdeckt.
celest frost
very good
fervent kernel
i think i kind of get it now. one more example.. hrmm
celest frost
(we usually say "Gegengift" instead of "Antidot")
fervent kernel
after participating in the gordon ramsay's cooking show, she can now cook the new york strip by herself. Nach ihrer Teilnahme an der Kochsendung Gordon Ramsays kann sie jetzt das 'new york Strip' Steak selbst kochen
celest frost
very good
fervent kernel
andd... she can deal with her problem by herself! You dont need to help her! Sie kann ihre Problem selbst behandeln , du brauchst nicht ihr zu helfen
celest frost
Sie kann ihre Probleme selbst lösen, du brauchst ihr nicht zu helfen.