questions-2

[amber crater]

Where I can learn german

[rich prism]

Depends on how you want to learn it

[red burrow]

Der Names Restaurant oder Der Name des Restaurant?

[rich prism]

Der Name des Restaurants

[icy flax]

@plush pelican, sry for pinging u, the other person answered it already 😛
||I dont think you should find it strange. This "über" has the idea of "übertragung". In German there is this idea of transmitting something over a medium (in this case, die Medien).||

[steel patrol]

To say “mach’s gut” to multiple people at once, would you just add a T and turn it into “macht’s gut”, or…?

[hushed dawn]

In Betracht ziehen/kommen/nehmen/halten

Was sind denn die Unterschiede ?

[outer breach]

„Etwas in betracht ziehen/ jemanden in betracht ziehen“ is by far the most widely used. There is no reason why you should use one of the others.

[signal cipher]

Zu schnell fahren
Schnell zu fahren
What is the difference

[rich prism]

Driving too fast
.... to drive fast

[signal cipher]

What about zu Besuch

[rich prism]

Visiting

[signal cipher]

So zu+verb and zu+noun are not …ing?

Der Besuch
Zu Besuch
What is the difference

[rich prism]

The Visit

[signal cipher]

Danke schön

Zu danken

[rich prism]

I'm not sure

To thank?

[signal cipher]

Wrote it jokingly

[rich prism]

Ah ok

[regal idol]

I have a sentence to fill:
_____ ihm hat sie doch schon so lange getraumt. We can fill here uber or von? And why. Thanks in advancer

So what to add before ihm (in dative clearly)

[rich prism]

Von

Because von is the preposition that goes with traumen

[hushed dawn]

ich hoffe, diese Nachricht erreicht Sie wohlauf.
vs
"Ich hoffe, diese Nachricht erreicht Sie in bester Verfassung

which one is a more common and professional email sentence beginning ? if there would be a better version please include it

[pure crescent]

This is not really a common sentiment in German work e-mails in my experience
hence both sentences, though grammatically correct, sound stilted and slightly awkward. the first sounds like it's from 1902, the second sounds like an over-exuberant dog. I wouldn't recommend either in any context tbh

[hushed dawn]

what would be an equivalent to something like " i hope this email finds you well "

[signal cipher]

You can search about Middle Voice

[pure crescent]

as said, this is not really a common sentiment in German work e-mails. whats the context? do you need a starting line for an email?

[signal cipher]

Danke schön

[fervent kernel]

😄

[brave harbor]

The only emails I get that start like this are 'Russian women' trying to trick me into clicking onto weird links, or some Nigerian prince. To me it's an indicator to directly throw the mail into the trash

[signal cipher]

Verwandeln
Verändern
Ändern
Wandeln
Was sind die Unterschieden

[icy flax]

Gott... Mhh.. Schwer zu erklären...
"ändern" ist wie "to change". "wandel" ist ein "to transform" und hat foglich mit einer neuen Form oder Persönlichkeit zu tun.
Eine Raupe wandelt sich in eine Schmetterling.
.
"ver-" bedeutet oft, dass eine (selbst wenn abstrakte) Grenze überschritten ist. Dabei geht es um einen tieferen Prozess. || Diese Seite willst du wohl durchlesen: https://yourdailygerman.com/german-prefix-ver-meaning/||

[charred harbor]

I think your example sentence has a typo

[signal cipher]

Danke schön

[heavy grove]

Is there a difference between "nah" and "nahe" when used as adverbs? (I've seen both used as adverbs, so I don't know when to use which)

[plain umbra]

I believe the spelling nahe is outdated spelling.

For the adverb.

[heavy grove]

So people use "nah" more frequently, correct?

[plain umbra]

Yes.

[heavy grove]

Alright. Thanks for the info

[fervent kernel]

anyone can explain Trennbare Verben?

[rich prism]

Some verbs have prefixes that can be separated.

[rich prism]

The separated prefix is then places at the end of the sentence

For example, the verb aufstehen

ich STEHE am 5 uhr AUF.✅️

Ich aufstehe am 5 uhr.❌️

https://learngerman.dw.com/de/trennbare-verben-1/l-40406333/gr-40406521

[fervent kernel]

How do you distinguish Trennbare Verben?

[rich prism]

There are certain prefixes

[fervent kernel]

when learning them, what is the useful advise?

How is Trennbare Verben traslated into English?

[plain umbra]

You can look in the dictionary and it will show if the verb is separable or not.

[plain umbra]

Separable verbs.

[fervent kernel]

Can you give some examples?

[signal cipher]

Memorize them in both ways.
Annehmen
Nehmen an

[hushed dawn]

könnte jemand erklärt , was "Zeitgeist" bedeutet und ein Beispiel dazu geben ?

und noch, was ist der Unterschied zwischen "zeitaufwendig" und "zeitraubend" ?

[kind knoll]

Zeitaufwendig hat eine neutrale Konnotation. Diese Aufgabe ist zeitaufwendig zum Beispiel. Zeitraubend hat eine kleine negative Konnotation

[icy flax]

https://www.dwds.de/wb/Zeitgeist
||könnte jemand erklären*, ...||

[red quiver]

hallo, wie kann ich das Wort "indem" in einem Satz verwenden? ich habe untersucht aber habe nicht verstanden.

[delicate tiger]

Indem man es einfach benutzt

[rich prism]

Wie 'by'

[red quiver]

oh danke

[worldly hound]

Hi! I was wondering if anybody here could tell me how you make a reference to a book in an academic german text... cuz in french we say "see [Last name of the Author] (date of edition)", and I don't know how to translate that to German. Do you also just write it like this?

[plush pelican]

This website lists off 3 categories of prefixes:

1. separable prefixes (used in separable verbs)
2. inseparable prefixes (these are never separable verbs)
3. prefixes that are either separable or inseparable (these are sometimes separable verbs, depending on which meaning is used)

https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Wortbildung/Separables.html

A useful rule of thumb is, though, "if you see something that looks like it's a preposition, but it's just randomly at the end of the sentence without a noun....that's probably a separable prefix"

[plush pelican]

"indem" and "dadurch, dass" are similar, and they often translate to "by X'ing" or "through X'ing".
They express that you do something by doing X.

So for example, in Hilarious' example, he said

(Man kann "indem" in einem Satz verwenden), indem man es einfach benutzt.
One can use "indem" in a sentence by simply using it.

Man kann Geld sparen, indem man Fast Food weniger oft kauft.
One can save money by buying fast food less often.

Ich habe ihm geholfen, indem ich ihm einen Job gegeben habe.
I helped him by giving him a job.

Sie wird gewinnen, indem sie einfach nicht aufgibt.
She will win by simply not giving up.

So the first clause shows a goal or something, and the 2nd clause with "indem" shows the way of achieving that goal.

[signal cipher]

Your name looks like Turkish. If you know Turkish indem is … suretiyle

[plush pelican]

My name is from Greek mythology, 😄

[signal cipher]

I meant Duru

[plush pelican]

ping them, then 😛

[signal cipher]

Also Sumerian mythology is better

[red quiver]

OOOHH TYSM i understood it and yes im turkish..

[verbal girder]

anyone knows what they could mean by long seasons? Für unser ****Familotel Landgut Furtherwirt in den Kitzbühler Alpen suchen wir (für lange Saisonen) 1 Mitarbeiter_in im Service (m/w/d)

[delicate tiger]

wahrscheinlich nicht nur die Skisaison, sondern auch noch bis in den Sommer hinein (Wandersaison)

[verbal girder]

thank you. ultimately, ill ask them to be sure

so the Wandernsaison would be spring+summer ori something like that?

😂 ofcourse (i also looked it up myself and the only info i found is that it starts with spring)

[plush pelican]

Are you complaining about das Gendern, or does it have actual grammatical issues?

So you are complaining about das Gendern, or are there other issues?

Apparently "Saisonen" is regional for southern Germany and Austria

[pure crescent]

academic references depend on the Uni and sometimes even course. in Germany many different systems are in use. APA, Oxford, ... There's even something called Deutsche Zitierweise, but it's been falling out of fashion 😆

[hushed dawn]

how is it called the Document that includes the Bachelor marks as individual courses

Notenübersichten ?

[pure crescent]

transcript of records?

[hushed dawn]

yes

for e.g. course X --> A
Course Z --> A+
course Y --> A-

usw.

[pure crescent]

yes

Transcript of Records

[pure crescent]

that's the German term as well

[verbal girder]

After Mit freundlichen Grüßen you gotta sign your name 100%?

[pure crescent]

#1033125270217048246

[silent furnace]

Ok thank you

What questions are acceptable in the questions chat?

[rich prism]

Like grammar questions

Writing etc

[plain umbra]

Those kind of questions aren't allowed in that chat.

[hushed dawn]

Die Ware wurde verschickt
Die Ware ist verschickt

Was ist denn der Unterschied ?

in Bedeutung

[valid knoll]

"Die Ware wurde verschickt" is in the past tense

"Die Ware ist verschick" is in present perfect tense

[hushed dawn]

but i don't get it , what is the difference in meaning or usage

[valid knoll]

You use the present perfect when the time period has not finished whereas the past tense it has finished

You would e.g. use the first one when the shipment has been completed

Whereas you use the other one when the shipment has not completed yet, but the status is that it has been sent (but still in transit)

[hushed dawn]

im sorry i meant
War verschickt vs wurde geschickt
und
ist verschickt vs wird geschickt

[valid knoll]

you mix together a lot there 😄

"War verschickt" is in past tense.
It means that the goods were sent in the past

"Wurde verschickt" in in past tense but passive.

"Ist verschickt" is in present perfect tense. It means that it is sent with relevance to the present

"Wird verschickt" is in present tense meaning that the goods are sent in the current moment

[hushed dawn]

yes i get it , but then
It has been sent and it was sent , does it really make a difference ?

[valid knoll]

the meaning is very similiar

Technically if you are refering to "It has been sent" you emphatize that it happened in the past and still has some for of relevance to the present (e.g. it did not arrive yet)

When you use "It was sent" the process is finished and there is no relevance to the present

[hushed dawn]

Ah okay , and the same meaning for ist verschickt and wird geschickt ?

[valid knoll]

ist verschickt already happened (and relevancy to present)

Wird verschickt means that it happens right now

[hushed dawn]

Ich bedanke mich bei Ihnen dafür.

[verbal girder]

Do you always sign with your name at the end of a formal e-Mail?

[whole portal]

Yes

[verbal girder]

is it crucial to start with Sehr geehrte Herr X if i technically know the name?

is it like very bad if i write Guten Tag instead

in a formal email

[delicate tiger]

"Guten Tag Herr Müller" is ok if you have worked together several times before and somewhat know each other, "Sehr geehrter Herr Müller" may be a bit too formal in some situations, but it's never wrong

[whole portal]

It depends on who you are writing to and how well you know them

[verbal girder]

would they think im being disrespectful that i'm not mentioning their name even though i could find it out?

i dont know them at all

[whole portal]

If you're writing to a set person you know you should be using their name yes

If it's just to something, Guten Tag or a more general "Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren" may suffice

[fervent kernel]

Can anyone remind me where I can learn more basic words/Websites I can practice grammar? I’ve been using https://learngerman.dw.com/en/nicos-weg/c-36519789

[arctic vigil]

hi everyone . Is there anyone with whom i could do some speaking tests at b1 level ?

[rich prism]

Ichhhh

[arctic vigil]

where are u from

[rich prism]

Dm

[rain talon]

Hello Guys, which do you think is the better, more natural sounding translation?

EN : It's not a wolf you're seeing, but a dog.
DE1 : Du siehst keinen Wolf, sondern einen Hund.
DE2: Es ist kein Wolf, den du siehst, sondern ein Hund.

I am guessing that 1 is more natural, but 2 is closer to the original?

[pure crescent]

is this from a literary source?

[rain talon]

It's a standalone sentence from my exercise book, so there's no context

[pure crescent]

Okay

To me the English sentence doesn't sound natural at all, rather literary. but ofc I'm no native. taking that into account, DE2 imo is not only closer to the original but also a far more valid translation of the sentence's meaning.

for DE1, I feel we need EN1: You're not seeing a wolf, but a dog.

and yes, DE1 may be more "natural", but what does that matter when the meaning between the two options differs?

[rain talon]

Okay I see your point
Natural would matter more to me because that's the tone I want to develop for everyday life, rather than an academic or literary tone

But in the context of translation I get why DE2 is better

Tausend Dank !

[charred harbor]

If it means anything (as a native English speaker) I'd say it's textbooky more than anything. It's the sort of thing I'd expect to find in English grammar textbooks and nowhere else.

[plush pelican]

You're talking about "It's not a wolf you're seeing, but a dog."?

This sounds completely normal to me

[charred harbor]

Yeah

[plush pelican]

😄

[charred harbor]

To me this sounds extremely textbooky and rigid

[plush pelican]

interesting 🤔

[charred harbor]

Enough that using the whole "es ist kein... sondern ein..." structure in German actually felt really unnatural to me at first

It took me a while before I realised it's natural/okay

[pure crescent]

To me, "natural" in this case means something that might crop up in everyday situations. So there's a Pomeranian across the street and your friend exclaims "Wow! Look, a wolf! Never thought I'd ever see a wolf!!" you might reply "It's/That's not a wolf you're seeing, but a dog"? that sounds sooo stilted to me hahaha.

[charred harbor]

I'd expect "That's a dog (you're seeing), not a wolf" lol

[plush pelican]

I mean, in that case, any C1-level words are "unnatural" 😛

And we should only use the pronouns "Brudi/Digga"

[whole portal]

You're starting to understand

[pure crescent]

the construction is really stilted here, vocab is a different horse altogether

[signal cipher]

You can say.
-Wow a wolf!
+No it’s a unicorn.
-…
+It’s just a shepherd.

[hushed dawn]

"Man besteht die Prüfung erfolgreich dadurch, dass man fleißig lernt."

Ich bin verwirrt, wo an welcher Position "Dadurch" stehen soll.

[autumn marsh]

ist richtig so

[signal cipher]

Dobby besteht die Prüfung erfolgreich dadurch, dass Dobby fleißig lernt.

Can we use Dobby instead of man

[autumn marsh]

klar

[silent elk]

hallo !

Ich hoffe, dass Sie mit meinen Vorschlägen einverstanden sein werden.
vs
Ich hoffe, dass Sie mit meinen Vorschlägen einverstanden werden.

Welcher Satz ist bitte richtig?

[light phoenix]

first one!

[fluid oracle]

Why isn't the answer a?

[plush pelican]

What construction is stilted?

"It's not a wolf you're seeing, but a dog"?

It seems perfectly fine to me

[plush pelican]

einkaufen, not just kaufen.

They want to buy some groceries for dinner, not go to a restaurant

[delicate tiger]

please ask only in one channel

[rain talon]

Couldn't "etwas zum Abendessen" also just be food to go ? If I'm thinking of buying dinner I definitely think of something ready to eat.

Oh the discussion already happened in the other channel sorry

[vernal ermine]

Why be - is coming in front of some verb? Why it comes? What does it mean? Does be- have any special meaning?

[rich prism]

Is this an question on English?

[vernal ermine]

No it is related to german.

[rich prism]

You mean like oh you mean like the prefix be- ?

[vernal ermine]

Yeah, similar to that.

@rich prism any idea?

[rich prism]

I don't think it really has a meaning

You can have a look at this https://learnoutlive.com/the-german-prefix-be-explained/#:~:text=“be-” has no explicit meaning%2C but%3A,being equipped with said noun

[brave harbor]

Okay the website explains it really well but I've read it AFTER writing this, so here it is anyways

It's just a Vorsible like any other, eg
Auf- vor- zu- ab-...
While sometimes they can have "reasonable translations" on their own
Eg "Auf" means up, "aufheben" means pick up
Others make no 'sense' at all. Eg aufladen (charge), aufholen (catch up), aufziehen (make fun of someone).
They can also drastically change the meaning of a word like
Laden (charge) beladen (load up eg a truck), kennen (to know), bekennen (admit or swear onto something)
So it's best to just... Learn the word as it is and not pay too much attention to what the prefix might or might not mean

[tiny scaffold]

I think the difference is that ''be-'' is not a separable prefix. Separable prefixes can be translated roughly into English (retaining the prefix across the translation) to get an idea:

Aufhören = literally, ''to hear up'', but similar to English ''hold up'' which also carries the meaning of ''stop''

Aufladen = ''to charge'' but can be translated to mean ''to charge up'' like how someone says ''I charged up my phone''

But non-separable prefixes like ver- be- zer- etc. cannot be translated with a prefix into English as is, so it's more difficult to understand

[hushed dawn]

Is Zoff a common term used ?

[wise pendant]

It's quite common colloquially I'd say

[verbal girder]

is it ok to formulate "additional information about your job offer as (whatever)" as zusätzliche Informationen über Ihr Stellenangebot als (whatever)
this would be the title of an e-mail

[whole portal]

Idk Zoff feels old, a bit foreign to my region even

Like I don't think I would ever use it myself

I'd just say Ärger or Streit

[pure crescent]

It feels old-fashioned to me but still useable

a word used by people 50+ mainly

[mint harbor]

Hallo! got this stupid question ^^"
Since cases is what defines what does what to who in german, could i swap positions in a sentence with it keeping the same meaning?

[verbal girder]

yea

[mint harbor]

Oooh cool

thankyouu

[verbal girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D3AivwwjNQ

[pure crescent]

Ich gebe dir ein Buch.
Dir gebe ich ein Buch.

You mean like that?

[mint harbor]

yep

[signal cipher]

You can but there are limitations. And positions may make something emphasized.

[jade hawk]

Lohnt es sich diese Kurse zu machen? Ich weiß dass die ersten zwei gut sind, aber was ist mit den übrigen?

[warped oriole]

@jade hawk Wenn du auch umgangssprachliches Deutsch lernen willst, dann ja. "Das sagt man so!" Ist bestimmt hilfreich, wenn du wie ein Deutscher reden willst.

[jade hawk]

oh ja sicherlich

ich will auf die natürlichste Weise sprechen

[jade hawk]

It's not a mistake if I combine words like this? Sie haben miteinandergesprochen, Wir haben uns untereinandergeholfen, etc And is it common or is dividing the einander and verb preferred?

[delicate tiger]

not a combination, "aneinandergeraten" is the verb

[jade hawk]

Oh, just a usual seperable one, yes?

[exotic field]

any tips to learning I am using doulingo and picking up words form conversation in tv

[tiny scaffold]

Try not to use Duolingo. I recommend Nicos Weg

faq nicos

[stoic mauve]

Nicos

Nicos Weg is a free online program aimed at helping people learn German. It includes video, audio, text, grammar explanations, notes, vocabulary, and exercises. It also includes very useful cultural and bureaucratic information, such as how to open a bank account, while teaching you the relevant grammar and vocabulary.

It’s fairly popular and well-recommended, but keep in mind that you can’t learn a language with only one resource, even if it’s a good one!

You can find the courses here: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/overview/

You can also see various other courses for learners by dw.com here: https://www.dw.com/en/learn-german/s-2469/

[exotic field]

danke

[spark steeple]

Warum glaubst du? Ist Duolingo schlecht?

[tiny scaffold]

faq duolingo

[stoic mauve]

Duolingo

Duolingo is a decent resource to start with if you're a complete beginner, but it's neither efficient nor comprehensive!

What Duolingo will teach you about grammar is very limited, and none of the systems they use will help you practise much of it.
You can learn some vocabulary with it, but their method (based on the concept of spaced repetition) doesn't work for everybody, and the way Duolingo teaches is not very effective compared to the amount of time it requires from you.

So, if you find it useful, by all means keep using it, but remember not to fall for its gamification of language learning, and move past it when it stops being beneficial. Ignore the streaks.

In any case, keep in mind that Duolingo is not enough to learn a language, ever.

If you're looking for guidance or alternatives, check out >faq beginner in our #botchannel .

[spark steeple]

so it's ok to have, just not very effective right? I was worried if duo's resources are misleading, thanks

[plush pelican]

It fails to explain grammar.
What it accepts is just based on what list of sentences they have stored as correct answers, so you may be correct, but because they don't have that particular version of the sentence saved as a solution, it will mark you as wrong.
They have, over the course of the past 5 years, made repeated changes that made the learning process worse and harder. I cannot say why this is, but my suspicion is that that makes it more likely that you'll use them for longer and thus are more likely to pay for their premium version.

[tiny scaffold]

The one feature they had for grammar was the Tips, and they took that away

You can still find them on Duo.me but the order may have been changed

[spark steeple]

noted, thank you

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank ❤

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank❤

[hushed dawn]

Je nach Wetter ... ?
Je nach dem Wetter ... ?
Alle beispiele , die ich im Internet gelesen habe, enthält bloß den Namen. Also wird "Je nach dem Wetter" als komisch betrachtet ?

[pure crescent]

ja, das ist komisch. Je nach Wetter ist viel üblicher.

[hushed dawn]

ist sofern ein synonym zu "wenn" und "falls" ?

[hushed dawn]

Sie stand zeitig auf und erzählte ihre Mutter die Träume, die sie gehabt hatte. "Darüber wurde es Abend."

Bedeutung von darüber ?

[delicate tiger]

Das Erzählen dauerte bis zum Abend

[hushed dawn]

ah, jetzt macht es Sinn.

[signal cipher]

Was bedeutet Ansprüchen?

[delicate tiger]

"der Anspruch"

[signal cipher]

Oh sorry. I think that’s why I couldn’t find

[silent elk]

Hallo

Kann mir jemand sagen, worin der Unterschied zwischen "zwingen" und "verpflichten" liegt ?

[plush pelican]

to force vs. to obligate

der Zwang = compulsion/coercion
die Pflicht = duty/obligation

https://de.hinative.com/questions/19567515

Verpflichten is used when there is a contract or an agreement im place and due to that someone needs to do it.

Zwingen on the other hand is used when you force someone against their will.

Der neue Fußballspieler wurde der Mannschaft für eine Ablösesumme von 100mio verpflichtet.

Laut meinem Mietvertrag bin ich dazu verpflichtet die Wohnung zu streichen.

Ich zwang meine Tochter um 9 ins Bett zu gehen.

Meine Nachbarin zwang mich auf die Nachbarschaftsvereinigung mitzugehen.

[steel patrol]

Are there any different scenarios for when you’d use kostenlos vs umsonst, or are they interchangeable?

[plush pelican]

"umsonst" can also mean "for nothing" or "in vain"

Ich war umsonst beim Bäcker, denn die Brötchen waren schon ausverkauft.
I went to the bakery for nothing, since the breadrolls were already sold out.

Ich habe dich nicht umsonst davor gewarnt ohne Regenschirm aus dem Haus zu gehen.
I didn't warn you for nothing not to leave the house without an umbrella.

https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/umsonst

[steel patrol]

Alright I see, thanks for the example sentences @plush pelican 👍

[silent elk]

Thank you very much !

[rain talon]

I use the Busuu app and I'm very happy with it. There are community interaction where you will help German speaking people learn your language and they will correct your German exercises. Grammar lessons, vocabulary, actual people speaking and not text to speech, etc. It's much better than Duolingo imo.

[silent elk]

Hey

ist dieser Satz richtig ?

"Der Grund, aus dem ..."

z.B.

"Der Grund, aus dem ich gestern nicht kommen konnte, ist, dass ich krank war."

[plush pelican]

Why not just "Der Grund, warum ich gestern nicht kommen konnte"

?

[silent elk]

Yea it's better overall

Just wanted to know if it's idiomatic

i checked it out on Linguee but i'm still not sure whether it's right or not

[icy flax]

In aller Bescheident komme ich wieder zu euch. Ich verstehe ein Wort da nicht. Was ist Flitzlaus? (ich kann es verhören haben, aber so klang es für mich)

B: Selbstschuld wenn du einfach so dran läufst. Pass gefälligst besser auf.
A: Ich kann euch helfen.
B: Verziehe dich, du kleiner (?) Flitzlaus (?).

[icy flax]

It works, but Argus's is more idiomatic Id say. If I say "der Grund" I almost EAGER for a "warum" afterward, but Id say the "aus dem" is also used, though it sounds a bit higher register, more suitable for a text. (I aint no native thoo)

[gusty silo]

du kleine Filzlaus schätzungsweise

Filzläuse sind, naja, Läuse.

einfach irgendne Herabwürdigung hier

[icy flax]

Gott! Ich war so nah dran T.T das war knapp, die richtige Schreibweise zu verstehen!

Danke Dir, @gusty silo ! Toll!

[gusty silo]

kein Ding

[spark steeple]

Hallo Leute! Ich habe eine Frage für die Menschen am Deutschland leben. Is it acceptable to use du when meeting someone your age the first time (like in the classroom) or is that considered rude?

[brave harbor]

In classroom definitely acceptable

On more 'formal' places like work I would wait to see what the person uses / what they use with one another, and then just repeat / offfer the 'du/sie' if im not comfortable with what what they do

[brittle jacinth]

Heyy
is it rude or informal to use Großelterngeneration ?

[nimble zephyr]

hi can someone tell me all the grammer we need to use in german b2 schreiben part to get pass in goethe exam?

[night dagger]

quick google search turned this up: https://www.reddit.com/r/German/comments/8bj3th/a_summary_of_a1_to_b2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[nimble zephyr]

thank you

[night dagger]

and theres also this, its from a resource: Grammar rules of the German language on 60 pages, from level A1 to B2

[nimble zephyr]

yeah🙌 tq but i have studied b2 by myown and i need to get my goethe exam in june so if i want to pass there is some specific grammer portains that examers will look forward

idk if im crt or not but someone told me🥹

[dull jackal]

Does someone have a link for the proper current cursive forms? I am having trouble finding an actual showing of current era cursive handwriting

[night dagger]

Youtube?

[dull jackal]

Just tried to click your link, don't think it worked right

[delicate tiger]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vereinfachte_Ausgangsschrift
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grundschrift

[dull jackal]

Thanks

[delicate tiger]

there are older ones (Kurrent, Sütterlin...) but basically nobody under 70 can read those

[dull jackal]

Yea those are the ones I kept finding...and I was like nah

[night dagger]

It wasn’t a link, it was a question: have you tried YouTube?

[dull jackal]

LoL i know....its called sarcasm, because i asked if someone had a link to a resource for it because i could not find it.....If I could find it...it would not have been a question lol

[night dagger]

"how to write in cursive - german standard" for example?

[night dagger]

https://youtu.be/1zFmFBlv55Y?si=sEWRWQJRH2mmhG2N

[silent elk]

Hallo

"In Bezug auf die negative Faktoren, die eine Beziehung völlig verschlechtern können, so sind einige zu nennen."

is this sentence idiomatic ?

"so sind einige zu nennen" in particular

[obsidian verge]

What is the context of this sentence? The possible translation depends on this. Maybe this: In Bezug auf die negativen Faktoren, die eine Beziehung völlig verschlechtern können, sind einige zu nennen.

[silent elk]

I ended up replacing it with this one : "Was die negativen Faktoren betrifft, die eine Beziehung völlig verschlechtern können, gibt es mehrere."

[silent elk]

Well i'm writing a forum post about breakups and relationships

at some point you need to talk about the negative factors

[obsidian verge]

Hard topics.

[silent elk]

Well i'm preparing for the B2 exam

and i just keep getting humbled lmao

[obsidian verge]

Is that for your B2 Exam?

[silent elk]

Well i found it in a B2 book yes

(Werkstatt B2)

[pure crescent]

much more idiomatic than your first option!

"völlig verschlechtern" doesn't strike me as idiomatic, though. what are you trying to express with this? to ruin it completely?

or to make it worse? or factors that are particularly good at making it worse?

[silent elk]

yes ruin it completely

in a sense of a destroying it

i wanted to say "völlig zerstören"

but i wasn't so sure about it

[rain talon]

Better for #writing I'd say @brittle jacinth

I have a question, what do you guys think about each of the expression below ? Are any of them wrong ? Is one of them much better than the other ?

1. Die Kellnerin ist mit ihm sehr höflich
2. Die Kellnerin ist ihm gegenüber sehr höflich
3. Die Kellnerin ist sehr höflich zu ihm

[plain umbra]

I highly recommend not to use ChatGPT for correcting or explaining languages.

[pure crescent]

1 is not idiomatic at all.
2 and 3 are both fine. 2 is a bit more higher register than 3, but not much.

[rain talon]

Thanks
So 1 is incorrect too or just not idiomatic?

[pure crescent]

you would never say it like that. it's grammatically correct but it does not express what you're trying to express.

[gusty silo]

i was agonising over that for a while because i think there is some similar construction/phrasing with mit ihm but yeah it is not that. something else instead of that adjective maybe? don't remember

[prime raft]

Can someone teach me german please:<

[pure crescent]

faq beginner

[stoic mauve]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[brittle jacinth]

ok, thanks

[brittle jacinth]

what can i do instead ?

[hushed dawn]

wird "unheimlich" zur Verstärkung der Bedeutung verwendet ?
hat es eine Negative Bedeutung ?

[hushed dawn]

Sagt man so "wiederrufen" wie "sich erinnern" ?

[night dagger]

kann ne negative Konnotation haben, muss aber nicht

zB ich verdien unheimliches Geld, weil ich das mache.

[night dagger]

was steht in einem Wörterbuch?

zB dwds

[fervent kernel]

Das Haus ist einerseits sehr schön,der Preis anderseits sehr hoch.
Is this sentence grammatically correct or does it need the verb ist in the second part?

[prisma hearth]

I think “Ist” has to be there

[prisma hearth]

I’d say it like:
Das Haus ist einerseits sehr schön, aber andererseits ist der Preis sehr hoch

[signal cipher]

Wie hoch ist der Price?

[prisma hearth]

Wahrscheinlich sehr hoch

[pure crescent]

Without second "ist" is fine. It's a special kind of construction but I forgot the name. It's also a popular Stilmittel. (I utilize it waaay too often at work for me not to know how it's called hahaha)
But I think it's a bit unidiomatic. i would rather say
Das Haus ist zwar sehr schön, der Preis jedoch sehr hoch.

[night dagger]

We talk like this at my job too, sometimes with „jedoch“ or „aber“ or something similar; it’s called Ellipse I think.

[silent elk]

Hallo

"Die Kehrseite der Medaille ist, dass sie viel Zeit fressen, die etwas produktiver gewidmet werden kann."
Ist dieser Satz korrekt ?

Is there any dativ form of "etwas" ?

[snow swallow]

are nouns always capitalised in sentences?
I've been noticing in my practice sentences like this one: "Der Regenschirm ist hinter der Tur"
both Regenschirm and Tur are capitalised. Sorry for the lack of accent notation I haven't configured my key board to a german setting yet

[plush pelican]

yes, full nouns are always capitalized

note that "ich" is not capitalized

Tip: If you can't do the umlauts, add an e afterwards

ü = ue
ä = ae
ö = oe

[snow swallow]

thank you!

[icy flax]

Ja, der ist. Es handelt sich dabei selbestverständlich um eine Redewendung. Dieses "etwas produktiver" bedeutet "(eine unspezifisches Mengeangabe) produktiver"; auf Englisch wäre es "somewhat more productive".

[icy flax]

Ja, etwas ist etwas in allen Fällen. Schau dir dochmal hier ein: https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/dativ-von-etwas.2036390/

[fervent kernel]

Thx

[pure crescent]

Ellipse it is!!

[wise pendant]

Fast. Ich persönlich würde "gewidmet" hier nicht benutzen

[plush pelican]

Es ist mir gerade eingefallen, das sollte "etwas Produktiverem" sein, oder?

Es ist ein nominalisiertes Adjektiv, nicht wahr?

[wise pendant]

ja entweder so oder "verwendet" statt gewidmet

[plush pelican]

https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/AdjectivalNouns/AdjectivalNouns.html

@silent elk

Hammer's German Grammar 6.2.4(b):

[wise pendant]

Übrigens sagt man normalerweise "Ja, (das) ist er/sie/es" für "Yes, it is" also genau andersherum als du das geschrieben hast.

[hushed dawn]

Es wird erklärt, dass ein Versprechen oder schriftliches zurücknehmen. Jedoch hat meine Lehrerin gesagt, es hat die gleiche Bedeutung wie "sich erinnern"

möglicherweise habe ich es falsch geschrieben/notiert.

[wise pendant]

Das Wort "widerrufen" bedeutet nicht "sich erinnern". Du hast das vllt hiermit verwechselt:
Sich etwas (wieder) ins Gedächtnis rufen - Sich an etwas erinnern
Also im Gegensatz zu
Etwas widerrufen - Etwas (zB ein Versprechen) wieder zurücknehmen

[hushed dawn]

Das wird klar jetzt.
Danke für die Erklärung

[fervent kernel]

Mit „denn“ möchte Yara betonen, dass es sie wirklich interessiert, wo Nico gewohnt hat.
Why is it wo Nico gewohnt hat and not wo hat Nico gewohnt?

[wise pendant]

In subordinate clauses, meaning for example relative clauses like that the verb(s) are all at the end.

[hushed dawn]

wie unterscheiden sich übertreffen und überschreiten

z.B.,
Seine Leistungen haben alle Erwartungen übertroffen/überschritten

Sind die die Gleiche Bedeutung ?

[fervent kernel]

Does it matter the order of the verbs?

[wise pendant]

yes, there is a fixed order the verbs need to be in

[wise pendant]

übertroffen ist hier passender. überschreiten passt in diesem Kontext nicht wirklich.

[timber sandal]

"Jetzt hast du die Arme ganz verwirrt!" Can someone translate this in English because I'm not sure if deepL is correct

[wise pendant]

"Now you totally confused this poor girl/woman!"

[timber sandal]

thank you

[wise pendant]

My pleasure! 😊

[fringe stirrup]

Sagest du "der Aufenthalt im Ausland im Hotel" oder "der Aufenthalt im Hotel im Ausland"? Herzlichen Dank im Voraus.

[delicate tiger]

Je nach Kontext kann man "Auslandsaufenthalt" oder "Hotelaufenthalt" benutzen um das doppelte "im" zu vermeiden

[fringe stirrup]

Danke schön 😄

[verbal girder]

can i say that my Neigungen in the workplace are responsibility, meticulosity, and putting quality above quantity?

[slow gust]

Is „wie läufts?“ Like „was gehts ab?“

[drowsy kernel]

p much

[fervent kernel]

Der Brief würde von Max geschrieben(+werden)
When do we add werden in this sentence, and does it change the meaning ?

[drowsy kernel]

what are you trying to do with the sentence?

[fervent kernel]

Konjuktiv ii/präsens/passiv
Of the sentence Max schreibt einen Brief

[plush pelican]

I had a question about this before, and got 7 different answers from natives on it

If you want to sort through the thread, I can dig it up for you

[fervent kernel]

😂
It's confusing. It says that you could add (werden)at the end but it's not neccessary
So I thought, I would ask

[plush pelican]

It seems even natives disagree on this, because it's such a rare combination

I've been told to avoid passive in general/English uses it much more than German normally does.

[drowsy kernel]

german uses passive all the time

defintely not believe whoever said that lol its incredibly common

[lyric palm]

warum ich bin band

[plush pelican]

?

Ask the mods

[rain talon]

Hi, I'm here with a question about word order

1. Er ist mit uns seit dem Anfang
2. Er ist seit dem Anfang mit uns

Do they have different meanings (like different emphasis maybe)? Is one wrong?

[lyric palm]

ich weiß nicht

wie kann mann fragen

[plush pelican]

#report-issue maybe?

[plush pelican]

There is a natural word order for German. Not all sentences have to follow that, but if they don't, you are stressing certain things, like underlining them or something

Time adverbs like "seit dem Anfang" tend to be near the front of the sentence

Moving it, like in sentence 1, places it towards the end, and things near the end are newer information/more important information/emphasized

Btw, I'm not sure the sentence is actually correct as is

[rain talon]

Ah, so frustrating. I was taught that the order was Dativ-TeKaMoLo-Akkusativ. So I thought 1. was the natural order.

[plush pelican]

DeepL suggests "Er hat uns von Anfang an begleitet."

[plush pelican]

Dative what, my dude?

Dative objects of the verb

[rain talon]

Ah

[plush pelican]

"mit uns" is a prepositional phrase, not an object of the verb

That being said, I don't think that order is 100% accurate

The order I found in Grammatik Aktiv is the most accurate neutral word order I've found

Here, it breaks things down into

Pronouns
Definite nouns
TeKa
Auch nicht
MoLo
Indefinite nouns

And "indefinite nouns" seems to also include nouns with no article in front

[rain talon]

Aaaaaaaah why do things have to be like this 🙃

[signal cipher]

Accusative pronoun-Dative pronoun-adverb-dative object-accusative object
Is this the correct hierarchy? Sources give adverb order and object order separately.

[plush pelican]

And then there's the fun topic of "Verbgefährte", verb traveling companions, which is a whole other can of worms

[drowsy kernel]

würde"-Konjunktiv is when werden is added at the end, it has the exact same meaning as konjunktiv II also:
Der Brief würde von mir geschrieben = Der Brief würde von mir geschrieben werden.

[plush pelican]

That's not accurate based on the Grammatik Aktiv chart I linked.

[drowsy kernel]

same meaning, but i highly doubt you'd hear the würde konjunktiv colloquially at all. i dont see it often

[rain talon]

All this makes me wanna stick to my incorrect order

[plush pelican]

Which, I'm not 100% sure that it's fully accurate, but it's the best I've found so far

[drowsy kernel]

german follows this pattern: Time, Manner then Place

so

[signal cipher]

I can’t remember where I have learned but as I know pronoun objects are written before the adverbs but noun objects are written after the adverbs

[drowsy kernel]

ich bin jetzt mit dir in Deutschland

[rain talon]

In which column is "mit uns" according to this chart?

[drowsy kernel]

'Er ist seit dem Anfang mit uns' sounds therefore much better

[rain talon]

Oh nvm I found it

[plush pelican]

Ich habe den Mann im Park getroffen.

Definite noun before lokal Adverb

[fervent kernel]

So
Ich würde Fußball Spiel schauen=Ich würde Fußball schauen werden?

[drowsy kernel]

@rain talon

[plush pelican]

I believe it answers "wie?" = Modal

[signal cipher]

I don’t mean the order of adverbs or order of objects. Order of both of them. When they both exist in a sentence

It’s hard to find

[rain talon]

Modal is a bit difficult for me to understand. I only naturally identify for adverbs, meaning "how" you are doing the action described. I never would have thought of it in this case.

[drowsy kernel]

time, then manner, then place

[rain talon]

Yeah I don't think this method works here

[drowsy kernel]

that table is complicating it far too much lol

[signal cipher]

Could you add noun objects and pronoun objects to this order?

[plush pelican]

The picture I linked is an explanation of the word order you are searching for, my dude.

The example I gave is an example where your proposed word order seems to be wrong, but the one in the picture is right.

[drowsy kernel]

there is no strict order for those, as long as you follow time manner place

[plush pelican]

Well, "mit uns" isn't wann, or warum, and I don't think it's wo

[signal cipher]

I have checked. It gives both. Before the adverb and after the adverb

[plush pelican]

It splits it up

Depending on the type of noun

[rain talon]

To me it's was

[plush pelican]

What you said, said just "all nouns after the adverbs", which isn't true

[signal cipher]

But they are written both before the adverb and after the adverb. Does that mean it’s not important. Or something else

In that picture

[plush pelican]

Let me give an analogy

Eh, nothing occurs to me

The order is important

[drowsy kernel]

"mit uns" is the manner in which it is done, therefore it comes after the time

[plush pelican]

It's just that the categories are smaller than you think

[signal cipher]

There are arrows but I couldn’t understand them

[plush pelican]

And more specific

[drowsy kernel]

so.. 'Er ist seit dem Anfang mit uns' is correct

[signal cipher]

What categories

[plush pelican]

You are trying to say, "where do I put all nouns?"

I am saying, "it depends on what kind of noun"

Nouns with definite article (der/die/das) come before the adverbs

[signal cipher]

I have Dative noun object, accusative noun object and all kinds of adverbs. How will I order them

[plush pelican]

Nouns with indefinite article (ein/eine) or with no article, come after the adverbs

[signal cipher]

Depends on definite or not?

[plush pelican]

I am telling you this order of yours is wrong because it is so vague

[plush pelican]

It depends on the type of article, yes

[signal cipher]

What is vauge? I don’t know fashion

[plush pelican]

vague = nicht klar

[drowsy kernel]

can you send us an example

[plush pelican]

Your order is too simple, it ignores important details

[signal cipher]

I throw the ball to you slowly in the park.

[plush pelican]

Ich werfe dir den Ball langsam im Park zu.

[signal cipher]

Details which I try to learn.

[plush pelican]

Pronoun is near front. noun with Definite article is before the "modal" adverb, which is before the location adverb

[signal cipher]

I try to understand the arrows in the picture you have send

[plush pelican]

It helps if you first understand what TeKaMoLo means. Have you learned that yet?

[signal cipher]

I throw the ball to a child in the park.

[plush pelican]

Slowly?

[drowsy kernel]

'Ich werfe dir den Ball langsam im Park zu.'
'Ich werfe dir den Ball im Park langsam zu.'
'ich werfe dir im Park langsam den Ball zu.'

Are ALL correct

every single one makes sense

[signal cipher]

I know object order and adverb order. My problem is when they mixed up together.

[drowsy kernel]

you're getting far too caught up on something that is not important

[signal cipher]

I try to create a guide about l this topic

[plush pelican]

It is important, it's just difficult

[drowsy kernel]

its not a topic worth creating a guide on

[drowsy kernel]

there are no strict rules

[plush pelican]

There are tendencies that explain everything

They just overlap in a confusing manner

[drowsy kernel]

tendancies which are far too complex for a level A learner

[plush pelican]

He's trying to learn all the grammar topics

[signal cipher]

I love studying weird details of grammars

[drowsy kernel]

as long as you strucutre your sentences so that you follow the time, then the manner and then the place everyone is going to understand you

[drowsy kernel]

thats so pointless

for a level A learner

learn vocab and get familiar with the language, german grammar is far too intricate for you to learn every single topic, especially as a level A learner lol

[signal cipher]

I don’t care to study efficiently when I study a language. I love these details. It’s fun to search, discuss etc.

[drowsy kernel]

Unfortunately you're searching up a dead end, its really not that complicated hence why no one can give you a concrete answer lol

[plush pelican]

Doch I'm trying to explain it

I just can't type that fast on my phone

[drowsy kernel]

not even a native could lol, its something you just have to learn from experience not like this

follow TMP and you'll be fine in 99% of situations @signal cipher

[signal cipher]

If I figure out that arrows and auch and nicht in the picture. I think I will understand.

[drowsy kernel]

I think this is now a one way discussion lol

[signal cipher]

I understand you. It’s not important. It’s also not so strict. But I like to understand “why” when I study things.

[plush pelican]

okay, on my computer

the arrows mean that, optionally, these things can be moved to where the arrows point

[drowsy kernel]

I understand that but there isn't really a 'why' in this situation. All variations of what you are saying is correct there is no rule lol

[signal cipher]

I don’t need German normally. I just learn for fun

[plush pelican]

That means, for example, "Nomen def dat" = nouns with definite articles in the dative (dem Kind), can be put after the temporal adverbs

There are some situations where certain word orders are preferred by natives

[drowsy kernel]

So time manner place, exactly what I've been saying this whole time but 10000x less complicated lmao

[plush pelican]

It would be great if I could take 5 minutes to explain without you butting in every 3 seconds to say how everything is pointless

[signal cipher]

I know that. There were in a video.

Video of Laura I guess

[drowsy kernel]

Because you're not explaining anything at all, at the end of the day it's up to the native but the general guide is the way I've said multiple times lmao

[plush pelican]

Yeah, so the general idea of the chart is, "This is the neutral word order...mostly, but occasionally, there may be sentences where putting this noun with a definite article in dative after the temporal adverb sounds better"

[signal cipher]

Why auch is specially mentioned?

And I will search about modalpartikelns too. I also want to learn their place in orders too

[plush pelican]

The chart, translated, is:

Subject
verb 1 (aka the left verbal bracket, aka position 2, aka the conjugated verb)
reflexive pronouns
pronouns in accusative case
pronouns in dative case
nouns with definite article in dative
nouns with definite article in accusative
temporal adverbs (adverbs answering "wann?")
kausal adverbs (adverbs answering "warum?")
the word "auch"
the word "nicht"
modal adverbs (adverbs answering "wie?")
lokal adverbs (adverbs answering "wo?")
nouns with indefinite article (or no article at all) in dative
nouns with indefinite article (or no article at all) in accusative
Verbgefährte (verb traveling companions)
Verb 2 (aka the right verbal bracket, aka "the spot near the end for verbs")

[plush pelican]

That's where it goes

"Verbgefährte" is its own topic entirely

Summarized: separable verbs split up the verb into 2 parts, right?

Ich fange mit der Hausaufgabe an.

[signal cipher]

I understood that 😄 I am thinking any other word like auch.

First I thought there must be many

But now I can’t think one

[plush pelican]

Imagine you had a separable verb, but the part on the right isn't a part of the verb, but instead an adjective, or a noun, or another verb

For example "Basketball spielen"

Ich spiele heute mit meinem Bruder im Park Basketball.
I am playing basketball today with my brother in the park.

or "müde sein"

Ich bin heute wegen der Arbeit müde.
I'm tired today because of work.

This acts like "anfangen"

"Basketball" or "müde" are acting like the separable prefix part, the "an"

so you have all those adverbs and stuff in the middle, and the separable part, "Basketball" or "müde", is going near the end of the sentence

[signal cipher]

Fertig sein

[plush pelican]

"Basketball spielen" is a verb + noun combination
"müde sein" is a verb + adjective combination

"spazieren gehen" is a verb + verb combination

Ich gehe heute wegen des schönen Wetters im Park spazieren.
I'm going for a walk today because of the beautiful weather.

If you scroll down on this page to "zusammengesetzte Verben", they have a list of examples of these "Verbgefährte" things

https://mein-deutschbuch.de/trennbare-verben.html

This also applies to when you have a verb + preposition combination

"sich auf etwas freuen" = to look forward to sth.

Ich freue mich auf die Party. = I'm looking forward to the party.

"auf etwas" here is like the separable prefix

or like "Basketball" or "müde"

Here's the page on Verbgefährte from Grammatik Aktiv

Er freut sich schon lange auf die Party.

Ich bin zurzeit immer schon mittags im Büro müde.

So, these Verbgefährte make life complicated, because sometimes things look like they might belong in a different category, but it turns out they are Verbgefährte

[signal cipher]

Yeah they seem like they should write in zu+Infinitiv

Verb+verb

[plush pelican]

You haven't seen the video on Infinitiv ohne zu, I guess?

it's not always zu + infinitiv

[signal cipher]

I know zu, and double infinitive

Also dass of course

[plush pelican]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNah77Punes

Check out the video.

Long story short: just because there are 2 verbs in 1 clause, doesn't mean you need to do "zu + Infinitiv"

[signal cipher]

Danke schön. I need a better version of this thanking for you

More fancy one

[plush pelican]

Maybe

"Ich bedanke mich sehr bei dir für deine Hilfeleistung."

🤣

(Pretty sure that sounds incredibly formal and excessive)

[drowsy kernel]

Vielen Dank
Danke sehr

[signal cipher]

He helps a lot. We need a premium thanking

When I just thanks a lot etc. it looks weird

He writes 1000 lines of text. And I: Danke schön

[plush pelican]

Dankixote
(a mix of "danke" and "Don Quixote")

😄

[signal cipher]

I don’t know him

Don Carleone

[plush pelican]

The book about the Spanish knight

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote

https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Kişot

[signal cipher]

Haaa Don Kişot we say

=Don Kishot

=Don Kischot

[plush pelican]

alright, I gotta go

👋

[signal cipher]

Good night mister

[gusty silo]

hearing the modern spanish form approximated in english always screws with me

too used to the frozen-in-time 'sch' in the german pronunciation

[icy flax]

Ich hab eine Laus hinter meinem Ohr gefühlt. Tatsächlich war das erstens "ja, ist er", aber ich fragte mich wo der Subjekt war und hab geändert. Danke Dir, André! Man muss seinem Instinkt etwas mehr Glaube schenken

[prisma hearth]

Wie funktioniert die Wörter „hierzu, hierbei, hiermit“usw?

[gusty silo]

Weißt du schon, wie »dazu, dabei, damit« funktionieren, oder sind die Teil vom »usw« ?

vereinfacht gesagt: mit dem (Ding) da = damit ; mit dem (Ding) hier = hiermit

ersetzt Präposition+es/das/dieses/jenes

[empty edge]

Hi could anyone just quickly read over this and tell me if they spot any mistakes ? would be much appreciated 🙏

[prisma hearth]

Ja

[prisma hearth]

Also ist es einfach:
Präposition + Ding (hier)?

[gusty silo]

quasi

Wir ersetzen ❌"mit es" immer mit "damit", mit es wäre ungrammatikalisch und falsch. hiermit ist dann wie damit, nur mit Sachen die dicht bei dir sind. die hier sind

[prisma hearth]

Also, ist es etwas wie:
„Ich habe eine TV-Fernbedienung. Ich schaue Fernsehen hiermit“?

Implying the TV remote is close?

[gusty silo]

Fersehen since you mean the programmes, you're not interested in the physical box (bit of a weird distinction but we have it), but yeah.

Wenn du die Fernbedienung in der Hand hättest, könntest du das sagen

[prisma hearth]

So the distinction between “with it” (damit) and “with THIS” (hiermit)?

[gusty silo]

yes!

[prisma hearth]

Ohhh, Dankeschön

[gusty silo]

kein Problem

[plain umbra]

Please make sure to only post in one channel at a time. Btw you will have an easier time getting writing corrections by using #writing .

[pure urchin]

Ich glaube an mir, dass die Katze für mich durchaus notwendig sein wird.

oder

Ich glaube, dass die Katze für mich durchaus notwendig sein wird.

Which one of this should be correct❓

[plush pelican]

Well, I've never seen the verb "anglauben" before, so I think #2

[pure urchin]

🇩🇪 Ich glaube an dir = 🇬🇧 I believe in you.

an = ✅ die präposition, ❌ trennbar verb.

[signal cipher]

It’s not separable verb. It’s just verb with preposition

But I am not sure I have ever saw a sentence like that

[plush pelican]

Prepositions come before the object of the preposition, not after

Ich glaube an dich = I believe in you.

[pure urchin]

Okay I'll go with the second one, I had my own doubts with the first sentence.

Danke schön.

[signal cipher]

And isn’t für mich better to be written as the last adverb?

[plush pelican]

I think where they had "für mich" makes sense

If you go back to Verbgefährte

"notwendig" + "sein"

It's like "sein + müde"

That means it's towards the end

"durchaus" is modifying "notwendig", so it's attached to it

So "durchaus notwendig" should be near the end, after basically everything but the verbs in verb 2, the right verbal bracket

Thus "für mich" comes before it

[signal cipher]

But it’s not notwending, it’s notwendig for me. Your explanation is also logical

[plush pelican]

Oh, you're thinking that it's all joined together as a single thing

"thoroughly necessary for me"

I think it's actually broken up in the way I said before

But I see where you might think that

[pure urchin]

,dass die Katze auf jeden Fall für mich notwendig ist.

You can also write like this.

[wise pendant]

Je mehr Deutsch man so hört und liest über die Jahre desto verlässlicher ist der Instinkt und oft auch dadurch verlässlicher als das eigene bewusste Nachdenken :D

[rain talon]

@wise pendant @gusty silo it's so nice of natives to answer our questions, I tried to join the French learning discord to do the same and I had no idea how to explain how my own language works

[brave harbor]

being a native and being able to teach or explain the language are muuuuch further away from one another as youd think

[wise pendant]

I've had experience teaching German here for 6 years. So you kinda learn how most of that stuff works.

Now I'm also studying at uni to become a Low German teacher so I'm even having some professional knowledge

[brave harbor]

uhh fellow daf dazler? oder lehramt?

[wise pendant]

Lehramt Niederdeutsch Mathematik

Also eher PaZ/PaF lol

[brave harbor]

ach na gut

[wise pendant]

Die Überschneidungen sind aber sicher gut da

[brave harbor]

mit lehramt erfahrungsgemäß nicht so, weil man euch nicht direkt vertreiben will

[wise pendant]

Ja, kann sein

[silent elk]

Hey

"Daher möchte ich wissen, ob es möglich wäre, die Prüfung nachzuholen, und gegebenenfalls, ob Sie mir die erforderliche Informationen und Unterlagen in Bezug auf die Prüfung schicken könnten."

does "gegebenenfalls" work here ?

[stable junco]

"Daher möchte ich wissen, ob es möglich wäre, die Prüfung nachzuholen und ob Sie mir gegebenenfalls die erforderlichen Informationen und Unterlagen in Bezug auf die Prüfung schicken könnten."

Would work a bit better. Also "erforderlicheN" since it's plural.

[silent elk]

thank you alot !

[copper orchid]

was ist der unterschied zwischen "reisen" und "verreisen"

[cosmic sedge]

"reisen" refers to driving in general, “verreisen” refers to driving away in particular.

[signal cipher]

Ver generally adds away/over/changing/wrongly meanings. But prefixes don’t have singular meanings, fixed meanings.

[hushed dawn]

Den Alarm Schlagen" , Bedeutung ??

Er ist keiner, der voreilig Alarm schlägt.

[steel patrol]

When making a call to the doctors, apparently you can expect to be asked „Zur Kontrolle oder haben Sie Schmerzen?“ What exactly do they mean with „zur Kontrolle“?

[plush pelican]

I assume they mean like, "is this a preventative, routine screening, or do you have a specific complaint?"

Yeah

https://www.gutefrage.net/frage/wie-oft-zur-kontrolle-zum-hausarzt

After a certain age, some exams are recommended (for checking purposes/for preventative reasons)

[steel patrol]

Ohh so just a check up

You’re really helpful @plush pelican, thank you

[gloomy laurel]

I have to explain the differents part of a Mehrgenerationhaus, so can someone correct my sentences and help me, cause i'm not sure of my syntax, and I don't understand the three last boxes

[wise pendant]

I can't really read the text in the middle there in the house.

Things you need to correct:

• have a look again at which gender the nouns have (Stelle, Gruppe and Werkstatt) for example
• check the articles if they are correct (for example before Kinderpark)
• check the grammar, meaning word order and if you didn't forget some things
• check if you forgot to add articles
• check if the preposition are correct

[gloomy laurel]

what is articles ? and preposition ?

[wise pendant]

articles are "ein, einen, einem, eines, einer" or "der, die, das, dem, den" etc and prepositions are "von, über, auf, zu, nach, bei, vor, für" etc

[rain talon]

Question about separated particle verb

Bevor die Lieferung [ankommen], habe ich schon irgendetwas aus dem Kühlschrank gegessen.

Why is the correct präzens form "ankommt" and not "kommt an" ? I don't understand the logic at all. It's the first time I see a separable verb be conjugated like that.

Btw the context is, I wrote that sentence with kommt an and people corrected me with ankommt.

[plush pelican]

Why is a separable verb separated to begin with?

It's because in a main clause, there's 2 spots for verbs

one spot is position 2, aka "the left verbal bracket", aka "where the conjugated verb goes"

the other spot is near the end, aka "the right verbal bracket"; aka "where all the other verb stuff goes"

separable verbs can't "fit" entirely in the left verbal bracket, it's "too small", so they get chopped up and the separable prefix goes to the right verbal bracket

Well, in a dependent clause, there is no left verbal bracket, no position 2 for verbs

[rain talon]

By that logic we would have to also say "Die Lieferung ankommt" no ?

[plush pelican]

that means everything has to go to the right verbal bracket, that's why the conjugated verb is on the right at the end

[plush pelican]

yes

[rain talon]

But we don't, we say "Die Lieferung kommt an" right ?

[plush pelican]

So, because everything is in the right verbal bracket, that means both parts of the separable verb are both in the same spot together. At which point, you might as well put them together properly.

[plush pelican]

If it's a dependent clause, you do not say "kommt an"

Dependent clause: Bevor die Lieferung ankommt, habe ich schon irgendetwas aus dem Kühlschrank gegessen.

Main clause: Die Lieferung kommt an.

Here, it can help to have some more stuff in the middle, to show what's happening

Bevor die Lieferung heute ankommt, ....

Die Lieferung kommt heute an.

Note "heute" is in-between "kommt" and "an", because in the main clause version, the verb is split up into 2 spots

It's just like when you do Perfekt

Ich habe heute gespielt.

"habe" is in position 2, aka the left verbal bracket

"gespielt" is in the right verbal bracket

"kommt" is in the left verbal bracket.
"an" is in the right verbal bracket.

[rain talon]

Okay, something new to learn I guess

[plush pelican]

You know about Perfekt tense, right?

You know to split up those verbs

[rain talon]

Yes I do, but I thought separable verbs were always conjugated separated in präzens. I've never seen this forms of unseparated präzens before

[plush pelican]

They are always separate, if they are in a main clause

In a dependent clause, no left verbal bracket = everything together in the right verbal bracket = not separated

So I guess you've just not seen separable verbs in dependent clauses before

[hushed dawn]

I didnt get what Vereinsmeierei mean ?
Can someone explain

[plush pelican]

Did you try looking up the word?

https://www.dict.cc/?s=vereinsmeierei

https://www.dwds.de/wb/Vereinsmeierei

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vereinsmeierei

Vereinsmeier ist eine abwertende Bezeichnung für Menschen, denen die Mitgliedschaft und Mitarbeit in einem oder mehreren Vereinen außerordentlich wichtig ist.

Oft wird damit auch eine Bürokratie innerhalb eines Vereins kritisiert, wenn zu viel Wert auf Formalien anstatt auf die inhaltliche Vereinsarbeit gemäß der Satzung (CH: Statuten) des Vereins gelegt wird.

[hushed dawn]

Yes i did

so its basically an excessive adherence to rules and not a loving obsession to a club ?

or both ?

[plush pelican]

As far as I can tell, it's the type of person who is like power-hungry, but also in a pathetic way

like someone who manages to become head of a homeowner's association only to badger everyone with the rules just so they can feel powerful

and they like boast about being a member in whatever group and place too much importance on being in the group

It seems to be a type of "Karen", if you will

Well, that's "Vereinsmeier", and then "Vereinsmeierei" would be acting in that way, so acting clubbish and snobby and overly focused on stupid formalities of the club.

[hushed dawn]

I get it now, thank you Argus for the explanation

[plush pelican]

I searched "Vereinsmeierei" and got this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCPmJIO1D1k

Members of a Verein meet together, and their "order of business" is to determine...what the club stands for, and indeed what the name of the club should even be. They then spend the rest of the episode arguing amongst each other about what to call themselves, and conclude that they won't come to an agreement today, just like the last "meeting" of the club. A guy at the end asks, "so, what do we have on the minutes so far", and the guy taking notes is like, "Uh...that we're all present."

The club is such a parody, that it literally has no actual purpose or indeed even name, the only thing that exists is the ridiculous formality and a bunch of people arguing and getting nowhere.

[strange frost]

was ist der Unterschied zwischen "verhasst" und "gehasst" ? like if i wanna say im hated.. ich bin verhasst/gehasst ? 😭

[gilded talon]

Es heißt entweder:

"Ich bin verhasst"
oder
"Ich werde gehasst"

Wobei das erste nochmal meiner Meinung nach wesentlich stärker klingt. Kommt immer auf den Kontext an.

[strange frost]

ohh okay 🥺 danke schön ❤️

[gilded talon]

Gerne :)

[hushed dawn]

Er denkt über den Tellerrand hinaus
is that the common way in german to say "think outside the box"

[gilded talon]

Considering the fact that you don't really use this expression often in english either, I would say yes, it's common and you can definitely use it without sounding weird

[pure crescent]

it's similar, but not exactly the same. über den Tellerrand has this "broaden your horizon" meaning as well. someone who's not only thinking outside the box, but also generally open for new ideas from others

[potent crown]

When should I use am besten and die beste?

My guess is am besten is for directly comparing between 2 things but idk

[plain umbra]

Am besten is generally an adverb. Beste is an adjective.

[potent crown]

Ich finde das am besten oder die beste?

[plain umbra]

In that context, I think both can work (although you should double check with a native speaker to be sure), but if it's a neuter object (das) then you would say das Beste, not die Beste.

[signal cipher]

Noun version of die beste can be used to be able to use was, wofür, worauf etc. in subordinate clause (relative)

Normalized superlative

Das beste, was ich für dich tun kann, ist zu verschwinden.

Because you can use them for unclear things. The best in unclear enough.

For normal, clear things you don’t use was etc. Like the car, the bank etc.

[signal cipher]

Of courses natives know better. I say what I learn from here, internet lessons etc.

[rain talon]

Would you say that the Germans use the semicolon in casual text ?

Meaning if I use it will I seem more fluent or just more literary?

[subtle blaze]

almost never imo

[hushed dawn]

this may be a stupid question but i am confused.
in the following sentence , i don't understand the grammar behind the position and usage of "gefühlt"

"hast du schon mal darüber nachgedacht, warum die Zeit gefühlt im urlaub schneller vergeht als im Alltag ? "

Why didn't they simply use "die gefühlte Zeit" oder Das Zeitgefühl

[silent elk]

Hey

I need to express the fact that i'm divided on a question

"Was mich betrifft, bin ich da geteilter Meinung."

Is there any "more idiomatic" way to express it than this ?

something classier

[plush pelican]

Have you ever thought about how the time seemingly/feels like it flies faster on vacation than in daily life?

It's an adverb, not an adjective modifying "time"

It's not saying "the felt time goes faster"

It's saying "the time seemingly goes faster"

"seemingly" in a way that it is your subjective feeling on the matter

How it feels like the time goes, not objectively, which objectively time always runs the same no matter of you're on vacation or not.

[iron jasper]

Isn't it like also more of a slang

Because I would never write that in an essay or something like that

[wise pendant]

In an essay you rarely get the chance to write about how you feel about stuff. So it makes sense, that it doesn't appear there often. But I wouldn't necessarily categorize it as slang either, as it appears in forecasts as seen in this image and it wouldn't make something informal.
Also gefühlt würde ich sagen, ist das eher was neutrales. Hängt aber natürlich vom Kontext ab, wie das dann einzuordnen ist.

[iron jasper]

I don't get the german sentence I wouldn't use it like that 😭

[wise pendant]

"Gefühlt würde ich sagen" ist ein gängier Ausdruck. Siehe Link
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q="gefühlt+würde+ich+sagen"

[iron jasper]

Hm

Den kenn ich garnicht 😭

Ich hätte aber eher das gefühlt weggelassen

Unnötig in diesem Satz meiner Meinung nach

[wise pendant]

Ich wollte halt das Wort, über das ich geredet hab, mit einfügen, weils irgendwie gepasst hat

Zwingend nötig wäre es da nicht, das stimmt

[iron jasper]

Könnt vllt beginner verwirren wenns selbst mich verwirrt hat

Entschuldigung das hätte ich schöner schreiben können

[wise pendant]

Vieles, was von Muttersprachlern manchmal fabriziert wird, hat das Potenzial Lerner zu verwirren.

Aber ich verstelle mich hier nicht. Dann bekommen Lerner auch die geballte Ladung ab. :D

Inklusive all meiner "Fehlerchen" und Eigenheiten

[iron jasper]

Ich meine ich finde die Idee super

Weil das dann nicht soo formell ist und eher alltagssprachlich ist

Könnte den Leuten helfen die in einem deutschsprechenden Land Urlaub machen

Solange sie nicht in ein Restaurant in meiner Gegend bestellen ist aber eh alles gut 😆

[wise pendant]

So lang as de Lüü neet anfangen Platt to proten kummt een doch överall good torecht. :D

[iron jasper]

Schweizer?

[delicate tiger]

Et janz onnere End

[iron jasper]

Puhh da tu ich mir als Vorarlberger echt schwer 😭

[wise pendant]

Plattdeutsch, also ganz ausm Norden. Ostfriesisches Platt war das was ich da geschrieben hab

[iron jasper]

Boah da komm i nd mit

[wise pendant]

Is ja auch technisch gesehen eine eigene Sprache

Deswegen musst du dir da keine Sorgen drum machen :D

[iron jasper]

So hörts sich auch an

[delicate tiger]

kum ens in #dialects besooche

[wise pendant]

^

[plush pelican]

das ist sowas wie "Meinem Bauchgefühl zufolge würde ich sagen"?

[wise pendant]

mehr oder weniger

[plush pelican]

@iron jasper

[iron jasper]

Schon, ja

[rain talon]

Does alle decline as an adjective or as an article?

Nvm I found the answer (article)

[hushed dawn]

Thank you Argus

Etw steht hoch im Kurs
Gesunde Ernähung und Fitness stehen derzeit hoch im Kurs bei Sportlern

is it common to say it this way ?

and is it correct ?

[pure crescent]

it's common but your sentence is a weird example. aren't healthy food and fitness ALWAYS popular with athletes?
Gewaltfreie Erziehung steht zurzeit bei Eltern hoch im Kurs. <- that's a more common way to use it

[hushed dawn]

Thank you

[prisma hearth]

what are all the differences between the verbs for “get” in German?
zB kriegen, bekommen, holen, erhalten, etc

[craggy scarab]

how do I even start my German learning? Starting seems quite intimidating, and I want to start in an efficient way that’s not going to kill me

[frail cargo]

You need to start with speaking and then you start to know how it works, and then you will slowly learn how it truly is/works and you will quit.

[craggy scarab]

Damn

[charred harbor]

I'd recommend starting with basic sentences only in nominative case and then going from there

If you try using all four cases from the get-go it's not going to be manageable

^ This is how I started as well, a German friend helped me out and I found it insanely helpful
He taught me how to pronounce ß, Ö, Ü and Ä straight away too (which I think was a really good idea)

[plush pelican]

Start with this free A1 course: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/nicos-weg/c-36519789

They also have an A2 and a B1 course after that

[craggy scarab]

Danke 🙏🥰

[plush pelican]

In general, don't worry about efficiency

Just find a way to work on:

1. grammar
2. vocab

and then later, start working on practicing each of the 4 skills: reading, writing, listening, speaking

As long as you're doing something with the language, and doing it consistently, you'll learn

the more time you can spend doing anything with the language, the better

[craggy scarab]

I’ve been trying to find German dubs of my favorite shows

[plush pelican]

that will be hard if you're just starting out

but if it's fun for you, go for it

[craggy scarab]

Yeah

[plush pelican]

just keep working on vocab so that you can understand more and more of that

[craggy scarab]

They are hard to find but they’ll be useful eventually

[gusty silo]

holen is actively going somewhere to get something, bringing something here
erhalten is entirely passively having something given to you by someone else
kriegen and bekommen are the most general i suppose, some type of change in what you have (physical attributes, possession, emotions, whatever) whether of their "own" (the way you get a headache, without anyone handing you one) or because someone gave you something or you went to get it. between them, the big difference is that kriegen is much more common colloquially and bekommen is much more common in formal contexts

[spark steeple]

Ich brauche bitte eure Hilfe, I understand the whole sentence translate to "I will not make myself worried". But i have trouble reading or rather understanding the structures, like why the need of dative mir when we have the accusative mich. is there anything I should know of?

[mild stirrup]

i find doing duolingo to be quite useful, been doing for like 160+ days now and have some sort of consistency, i do it around 10 min to 1.5hr a day, great for beginners imo

[boreal swift]

it is mir because it is 'sich (dative) Sorgen machen'.

https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/sich+Sorgen+machen

[midnight mica]

ex duo

[stoic mauve]

Duolingo

Duolingo is a decent resource to start with if you're a complete beginner, but it's neither efficient nor comprehensive!

What Duolingo will teach you about grammar is very limited, and none of the systems they use will help you practise much of it.
You can learn some vocabulary with it, but their method (based on the concept of spaced repetition) doesn't work for everybody, and the way Duolingo teaches is not very effective compared to the amount of time it requires from you.

So, if you find it useful, by all means keep using it, but remember not to fall for its gamification of language learning, and move past it when it stops being beneficial. Ignore the streaks.

In any case, keep in mind that Duolingo is not enough to learn a language, ever.

If you're looking for guidance or alternatives, check out >faq beginner in our #botchannel .

[midnight mica]

from my experience, just try to learn something. try different resources and you will find the perfect or at least a good way to learn german that works for you

[hushed dawn]

Komm pünktlich, andernfalls kommt wir den Termin nicht vor.

does that sound okay , or is there more common way of expressing it

[delicate tiger]

What did you want to say?

[hushed dawn]

what about halten wir den Termin nicht ein ?

i want to say, otherwise we won't catch up with the meeting or something like this

[delicate tiger]

"..., sonst schaffen wir es nicht mehr zu dem Termin"

[hushed dawn]

Okay

[south zenith]

The um etwas is what would be causing the worry, the mir is who is worried

Ich mache mir Sorgen is just being worried

Ich mache mir um den Hund
Im worried about the dog

So
Ich mache mir um mich Sorgen
Is being worried about yourself

[spark steeple]

Danke euch beiden

[hushed dawn]

so if i end a presentation with such a sentence;

Es lässt sich ein Fazit ziehen, dass _____

is it a correct, formal way of saying "a conclusion can be drawn" ?

[prisma hearth]

How does this sentence work?
“Jetzt musst du dir was einfallen lassen”

1. Why is the pronoun “dir”? (I understand how the dative and reflexive pronouns work, so no need to explain them to me)
2. why is the word “was” used here?
3. Why is the verb “lassen” there? (I don’t really know how it works)

[delicate tiger]

"...musst **du **dir..."

2: "etwas" shortened
3: "sich etwas einfallen lassen" is the construction

[prisma hearth]

1. So the “dir” was a reflexive pronoun? Ironic lol

2. Alright macht Sinn

3. Dankeschön 🙏

[scenic siren]

What is something that you read that is better available in German than in English?

[plush pelican]

"lassen" means "let" or "allow" or "permit", but it can also be used in the sense of "let (someone do something for you)", to cause it to come about

Check out #2 here: https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Lassen/Lassen.html

A common example is "Ich lasse mir die Haare schneiden."

If I said, "Ich schneide mir die Haare", that would mean "I cut my own hair."

"Ich lasse mir die Haare schneiden" = I let (somebody) cut my hair (for me), aka "I get a haircut probably from a hairdresser"

"etwas fällt jemandem ein" = something occurs to someone, an idea comes into their head, perhaps randomly

If you add "lassen", I let something occur to myself = I cause something to occur to myself = I come up with an idea, the idea doesn't just occur to me randomly, I think it up.

Jetzt musst du dir was einfallen lassen = Now you need to come up with/think of something.

[manic folio]

Hallo Leute.
I'm trying to use the German with Laura basics to understand stuff, and so I've done this 2 simple drill exercises, in which I tried to no translate, just like a dog tries to not eat an steak in front of him haha. 🤣
But yeah, I'm mostly looking for **feedback for:
** ° My mistakes
° Why is glücklich not affected by the gender nor the plural

1 Thematisch: Die Familie: Nomen
1.1 Der Opa ist glücklich
1.2 Die Oma ist glücklich
1.3 Der Vater ist glücklich
1.4 Die Mutter ist glücklich
1.5 Das Kind ist glücklich
1.6 Der Sohn ist glücklich
1.7 Die Tochter ist glücklich
1.8 Der Bruder ist glücklich
1.9 Die Schwester ist glücklich
1.10 Der Onkel ist glücklich
1.11 Die Tante ist glücklich
1.12 Der Cousin ist glücklich

2 Thematisch: Die Familie: Plural
2.1 Die Opas sind glücklich
2.2 Die Omas sind glücklich
2.3 Die Vater sind glücklich
2.4 Die Mutter sind glücklich
2.5 Die Kinder sind glücklich
2.6 Die Sohne sind glücklich
2.7 Die Tochter sind glücklich
2.8 Die Brüder sind glücklich
2.9 Die Schwester sind glücklich
2.10 Die Onkel sind glücklich
2.11 Die Tanten sind glücklich
2.12 Die Cousines sind glücklich

[rich prism]

Because its after sein

For it to be affected it must be with the noun e.g Die glückliche Tante

[manic folio]

I see, then could you please explain further:
1 Is it ok for me to use both forms in german?, ie, Die glückliche Tante - Die Tante ist glücklich
2 If so, is there any "preference" for any or can I use it regardless?

[rich prism]

Die glückliche Tante is just a phrase

It doesn't really have meaning on its own

For example you could say Die glückliche Tante ist nicht hier

Die glückliche Tante is just a subject

But Die Tante ist glücklich is a complete sentence with full meaning

Just like in english

Die glückliche Tante counts as a subject on its own

You would use the glückliche Tante if you want to portray she is happy and something else aswell mostly

[signal cipher]

The yellow car
The car is yellow

[rich prism]

It could also be an answer to a question e.g Wer hast du gesehen?
Die glückliche Tante

[manic folio]

Thanks, I see the difference, like
Die glückliche Tante (subject) ist nicht hier
Die Tante (subject) ist glücklich

I could say the happy aunt isn't here, yet I would have to change the sentence to say something along the lines of "the aunt is happy not here" into -> The happy aunt isn't here

right?

[rich prism]

The first part is right

I don't really get what you are saying in the 2nd part though

[manic folio]

sorry, I'm just trying to, ciment the knowledge in my head?, but yeah, thank you for your help

[rich prism]

No problem

[rain talon]

@manic folio What is your language of origin ? This could help understand your point of view

My question today is about synonyms

Relevant, treffend, passend : what are the differences in meaning of those synonyms?

[manic folio]

Spanish

also, I noticed that if I wanted to say "the happy aunt is german", it would have to be Die glückliche Tante ist deutsche.
I've been looking for an explanation online but to no avail.

[rich prism]

Hmm, I believe Relevant is just how you would use in English. Passend means like fitting (ie it fits the situation???) Treffend is like 'apt ' or 'appropriate '

[rich prism]

Deutsch**

[manic folio]

oh, so it doesn't decline?

[rich prism]

No, because it is with sein

It is separate from the noun

[manic folio]

okok, thank you

[rain talon]

Truthfully the beginner level grammar is not to be understood intuitively, you'll always ve biased or mistaken because of the other languages you know
My best advice is to just learn the ground rules and apply them. German is very mathematical in that way

[rich prism]

You decline if it is together with a noun

E.g 'mein rotes Auto' (you decline)
Mein Auto ist rot (no declination)

[manic folio]

Yeah, I've been at it through traditional ways and Duolingo, but it seemed so... learn each word by heart.
Then I stumbled upon Laura and things made more sense.

[hushed dawn]

problem bewältigen = overcome problem
problem anpacken = to deal with the problem
is this true ?

[chrome condor]

Can someone who speaks German fluently translate something for me (Its a whole lot of translating)

[rich prism]

You can put it in deepl translator

[chrome condor]

Ok

Does it work for pictures

@rich prism

[rich prism]

No

If its printed, you can get the text, but if its written no

[tacit stump]

How much is it?

[chrome condor]

Nevermind

[nocturne lake]

What’s the most common way to say confused in German?

[fervent kernel]

Grüß Di! In what context?

Right away, I'd say "verwirrt" but it depends on the context 🙂

[rain talon]

My textbook has this sentence

"Du spielst mit Inges kleiner Nachbarin"

Is this sentence correct? I don't understand why it's kleiner and not kleinen, Dativ feminine declension

[rain talon]

I managed to understand. It's because there is no "der" article so the adjective takes -er

[jaunty jetty]

Is there a dedicated lists of common German shortened nicknames? For example: Ralf (Ralle), Fabian (Fabe), Andreas (Andi), etc? Because this thing is somewhat insteresting to me.

[fervent kernel]

Dativ "Feminine" declension is "-er"

die becomes "der" im Dativ

But Inges, so "genitiv" form (Name + 's') + kleiner Nachbarin (dativ von "weiblich" "die")

[untold trellis]

I would prefer : ich spiele mit Inges kleinen Nachbarin. Better would be : Ich spiele mit der kleinen Nachbarin von Inge.

[rain talon]

And are you a native speaker or a German lerner too ?

[winged fern]

hallo

may i ask what is the most common ways to say hello everybody or hello guys or something similar?

like i'd like to say hello chicken nuggies or something like that but maybe it's too much

[signal cipher]

I think with Ja

[gusty silo]

what sort of baptism by fire for modal particles are you being subjected to there

they basically communicate different expectations to do with the conversation of the speakers, and to cut a longer explanation short, i find 3 and 4 ungrammatical

[night dagger]

bitte stell deine Fragen nur in einem Kanal

[gusty silo]

ah you already discussed this? hm i see, yes

hooray for multiposting

confuses every time without fail

[wintry ravine]

alr

[wintry ravine]

fine

[untold trellis]

Native. And I am surprised, how difficult german can be. 😄

[night dagger]

ist ja kein zuckerschlecken

[untold trellis]

Absolut 😄 Von all dem grammatikalischen Irrsinn bis hin zu den verwirrenden Artikeln, aber dann noch die Dialekte und Umgangssprache. 😉

[tacit stump]

Hey miteinander, Hallo allerseits, Hallo zusammen etc work!

[main tartan]

Hallihallo!! Whats the difference between sollten und sollen?

[prisma hearth]

sollen is just regular old “should”
sollten is Konjunktiv II “should”

[rich prism]

Sollen is actually more of 'shall' in english. But it also means should sometimes.

Sollten is 'should'.
But sollten is used alot more imo

[signal cipher]

Shall isn’t “certain will”?

[rich prism]

?

[signal cipher]

We shall win my friends!

[rich prism]

Makes sense

But it could also be used in other contexts
E.g

1. Shall I go?
2. I shall do it tomorrow

Shall can also be used where you would put 'will' or 'should'. (In english and only sometimes)

E.g you could say 'we will win'
Still the same meaning

[signal cipher]

Danke schön mister

[plush pelican]

In American English, we basically don't use "shall" anymore, except in fixed phrases, so for me, even though I'm a native English speaker, talking about "shall" doesn't clear things up, 😅

[main tartan]

Yeah thats what i’ve been thinking

So Soll is pretty much like wollen, and is something done in the future tense?

Where sollten is should

[rich prism]

Wollen means want

[plush pelican]

https://german.stackexchange.com/questions/30981/what-is-the-difference-between-sollen-and-sollten

[rich prism]

I use British English so that makes sense ig

[plush pelican]

"sollen" is more of a command, "sollten" is more of a recommendation

[main tartan]

Ahh I see, thank you

[main tartan]

Thank you!!

[prisma hearth]

how do I really start understand German videos with fast spoken German? When subtitles show up, I’m pretty good, but on my own, I just can’t make out any words

[signal cipher]

Start with simple ones. Start with slower speeds like 0.8x. And read a lot to get used to understand all sentence. And study vocabulary.

[plush pelican]

Start with videos with a more restricted vocabulary and a slower speed

work your way up, both in complexity and speed

For example, if you search like "Deutsch lernen durch hören" and then A1, A2, B1, there are videos like this: https://youtu.be/pFg8rKgxw3k?si=5wLDADgKvsPXoP8q&t=22

First, try listening without looking at the text on screen.
Then, go back and listen again with the text.
Then, do a third listen, this time without the text again.

[pure crescent]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_bairischen_Vornamen I found this but only for Bavarian names. and Bavarian Spitznamen are notoriously weird.

[hushed dawn]

ist "Formularabsendung "der übliche Weg, indem man "form submission" sagen möchte ?

[delicate tiger]

kannst du genauer beschreiben was du meinst?

[dense obsidian]

Nein. Die meisten benutzen einfach den englischen Fachbegriff. Solche Begriffe werden selten übersetzt. Frontend, backend, form submission, caching, pruning. Alles Wörter, die man im beruflichen Umfeld so aus der englischen Sprache übernimmt.

Wenn ich's übersetzen müsste, wäre es wohl "Formübermittlung".

[hushed dawn]

i meant is "Formularabsendung" a common way of saying "formsubmission" in german ?

[hushed dawn]

Vielen Dank

[delicate tiger]

was meinst du mit "form submission"?

[hushed dawn]

so when you complete a form/fill in and then submit it online for e.g.

[dense obsidian]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/Forms/Sending_and_retrieving_form_data

"Ich hab den Branch XYZ mit dem Main gemerged. Die Form Submission sollte jetzt funktionieren."

So unterhalten sich deutsche IT-ler. 😄

[unkempt stirrup]

ive set a game of mine to the german language, though it's auto-translated so its a bit wonky at times. ive been given multiple translations for one word and i was wondering what the difference between all of them was

for the verb "to tag" as in "to tag someone with a paintball gun" the game translates it to:

• getagged (when i tag someone)
• getaggt (when my sentry tags someone)
• verschlagwortet (when my drone tags someone)
• markiert (its said this a few times with particular people whose usernames also get translated)

which is the correct one in this context and what do they all mean? "getagged" is the only one im convinced is not a word at all because it uses english conjugation

[gusty silo]

markieren generally

verschlagwortet is a funny formulation i've never seen before but thoroughly false in context

(Schlagwort: key word, buzzword, highlighted word)

(thus verschlagworten -> make something into a Schlagwort)

getaggt could be fine too

writing german -t as the english equivalent -ed when the stem is an english word is something germans do not rarely actually, as nonstandard as it may be

[unkempt stirrup]

ohhh. yeah i had the feeling verschlagwortet was something totally different - it still translates to "tagged" in google, but given "to tag" can have different meanings in english i figured it was the wrong kind of "tagged"

also ill keep that in mind about the -ed ending, thank you! how common is that and with how many words?

[gusty silo]

how common? - it happens in informal writing some amount idk, it's not insignificant certainly, but it wouldn't be proper for a game.
how many words? - german society is increasingly functionally bilingual in english in the sense that you can increasingly switch any random english noun, verb or adjective into your german. this is very unformalised and hard to generalise

(functionally bilingual not in the sense that you could maneuver it only speaking english, before someone thinks that or is startled by me claiming as much)

[gusty silo]

most affected are slogans, names and, well, ironically Schlagwörter for stuff and technology related topics, both the technical side itself as also using the consumer side of the internet, computers and videogames

[unkempt stirrup]

i see!! danke schön, das ist sehr wichtig zu wissen, denn ich will in deutschland leben. ive seen all those jokes online about how its so hard to learn german because as soon as they realize you speak english they switch over to it, so i knew already that many people know english there, but obviously thats not an excuse to not know their language. :) cool to know the other ways this semi-bilingualism impacts their informal ways of speaking

[gusty silo]

[unkempt stirrup]

also, unrelated but is it true that the german language doesnt use indents for paragraphs?

[gusty silo]

Viel Erfolg

[gusty silo]

that should be true

i can't recall seeing those in german

[unkempt stirrup]

oh man. gonna have to undo two decades of english formatting indoctrination then LOL

vielen dank

[gusty silo]

there are a bunch of at times more, at times less impactful differences in expectations of text

from different quote marks (nominally, though annoyingly german keyboards dont have german quotation marks generally, i think)and different comma rules to there not being a concept of a "comma splice" in german

[plush pelican]

German rules for punctuation and quotation marks is also very different

[unkempt stirrup]

i can work with the different quote marks because at least they're not the cursed french arrows

[gusty silo]

you get those in print, but inverted

[plush pelican]

"Willst du lieber Tee oder Kaffee?", fragte sie.
"Ich nehme gerne den Tee", antwortete er.

[gusty silo]

<<French guillemets>>

German guillemets<<

[unkempt stirrup]

no......

[gusty silo]

(excuse my lack of actual guillemets for typing)

[plush pelican]

I mean the placement of punctuation marks with regards to quotation marks, not the quotation marks themselves being different

[gusty silo]

ah that

[unkempt stirrup]

i already do know about germans using commas differently in sentences, but damn, i didnt know they also placed commas after quotes

[unkempt stirrup]

im cry

[gusty silo]

theres also a not too common english thing we dont do with quotes extending for more than a line

you can get
"bla bla bla
"bla bla
"bla blabla bla
"bla bla."
in english, never in german

it confused the shit out of me when i saw it in a british newspaper once

[plush pelican]

You mean like

"I have neither the disposition nor the money to help you with your adventure.
You will have to seek help elsewhere."

[unkempt stirrup]

are semicolons used at all in german? i know commas are way more common to separate clauses, so is there any use for semicolons?

[gusty silo]

this would be fine

[plush pelican]

where the quote continues, and the new line doesn't have a quotation mark at the start?

[unkempt stirrup]

oh really? what do germans do instead for those kinds of quotes?

[plush pelican]

yes, but even natives seem to have confusion about when to use them, 😅

[unkempt stirrup]

LOL

its okay, english natives forget about it too

[gusty silo]

the inverse(?). german only does what you wrote, english can do what i wrote

german uses semicolons less often i feel?

[plush pelican]

Hammer's German Grammar says this about semi-colons:

[gusty silo]

yeah

[unkempt stirrup]

ah i see

yeah germans love their commas, and their run-on sentences

ive seen some long-ass german sentences that would get me court marshalled by my english teacher

[plush pelican]

Wait until you learn about the extended Partizipial phrase

[unkempt stirrup]

oh god

[plush pelican]

Here is a Partizipialsatz I found while reading a German Wikipedia article on the Muslim ruler Saladin:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saladin#Tod,_Ehrengrab_und_Nachfolge

Saladin kehrte im November 1192 nach Damaskus zurück, wo sein Sohn al-Afdal zu ihm stieß. Dieser übernahm während Saladins im Februar 1193 offenbar werdender, zum Tod führender Krankheit immer mehr administrative Aufgaben von seinem Vater. Saladin starb am 3. oder 4. März 1193 im Alter von 55 Jahren in Damaskus.

Dieser übernahm während Saladins (im Februar 1193 offenbar werdender, zum Tod führender) Krankheit immer mehr administrative Aufgaben von seinem Vater.

He assumed during Saladin's in-February-1193-obvious-becoming-to-death-leading sickness more and more administrative tasks from his father.

Basically, you can put an entire clause in the space of an adjective

[unkempt stirrup]

my goodness gracious

sorry i had to like. just stare at that and absorb it for a while

definitely going to need to remember that so that i dont get confused when i see/hear it

thanks for the heads-up

[uncut cove]

Here i was confused about Ei vs Eis...

[autumn marsh]

this is bad style tho, hard to read

[plush pelican]

Doesn't it appear often in more formal written stuff, though?

I mean, I've heard that Germans in general have a thing where when writing like formal papers they often write in needlessly complicated style to sound fancier.

[gusty silo]

they're definitely common, whether or not this one is a well writtem case or not

i find myself wanting to produce such sentences in english occasionally with no intention of making something sound fancy

(i couldnt tell you how often i produce such sentences in regular german because it... works in german, so i dont notice it)

[plush pelican]

You're regularly doing extended Partizipialsätze in your writing?

[gusty silo]

probably (but i don't know right now)

[autumn marsh]

unglücklicherweise, ja. ist wirklich eine Unart

[gusty silo]

not when talking about my day with people i'd think, but if i write about something with a non-mundane topic, likely

[plush pelican]

"Hast du deine Mutter angerufen für Mutterstag?"

"Eigentlich habe ich schon gestern meine unter Hypochondrie leidende und Quatsch erzählende Mutter angerufen."

[autumn marsh]

ich musste mir das aktiv abgewöhnen, weil ich's irgendwann so furchtbar fand. viele deutsche Forscher und Wissenschaftler haben die Unart, unnötig kompliziert zu schreiben um kompetenter zu klingen

hat mich dann irgendwann so genervt dass ich genau das Gegenteil gemacht habe und immer noch mache, mehr nach Vorbild des angelsächsischen Sprachraums

[gusty silo]

I find other things than the sentence structure annoying in current day research written in german to be honest

[plush pelican]

angelsächsischer Sprachraum?

[gusty silo]

in linguistics that is, which is what i deal with

[plush pelican]

Why not just call it "English"?

[autumn marsh]

joa, gibt auch noch andere Sachen wie inflationäre Gebrauch von Fremdwörtern, die den Eindruck vermitteln, man umschleiche das Thema lieber anstatt auf den Punkt zu kommen

für mich wirkt das ehrlicherweise inkompetent

[gusty silo]

genau!

[autumn marsh]

weil's nicht eine Frage der Sprache ist sondern der grundlegenden Geisteshaltung

die kann dann mit der Sprache verknüpft sein, das muss aber nicht unbedingt so sein

[plush pelican]

I mean, our minds aren't Anglo-Saxon

[autumn marsh]

maybe but that's how we use it

[plush pelican]

And that means, though, US, Canada, UK, New Zealand, Australia, etc?

[gusty silo]

mein persönliches Leiden ist eher mit 'Internationalismen' (Latinismen und dabei oft nach englischem Vorbild gewählten Latinismen, was nicht heißen soll, dass das "früher" besser war, als man Latein um des Lateins Willen reingeschmissen hat) überfrachtetes, formelhaftes Geschribsel; das find ich unangenehm zu lesen, muss ich sagen. Ich denke mal, Verschachtelung von Kauderwelsch ist in dem Teil der Sprachwissenschaft, den ich lese, weniger ein Problem, weil du eh viel durch Beispiele, Sätze und stichpunktartige Abarbeitung des ganzen, den Textfluss untebrichst

[autumn marsh]

joa auch schlimm, nur sind es heutzutage vermehrt auch einfach Fachbegriffe

da verschwimmen die Grenzen leicht