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[dense obsidian]

bin mir nicht sicher ob konjunktiv 1 präsens oder futur

Entweder "Er hat gesagt, er sei in 15 Minuten da" oder "Er hat gesagt, er werde in 15 Minuten da sein." Das zweite hört sich irgendwie richtiger an.

[tired igloo]

"Er hat gesagt, er ist in 15 Minuten da"

this is actually used

"Er hat gesagt, er werde in 15 Minuten da sein."

sounds dumb

[dense obsidian]

die richtige anwendung des konjunktiv hört sich meist dumm an. 😄

[rugged hazel]

Are you confused between indirect, direct and "integrated" speech?
Indirect speech requires Konjunktiv and the pronoun fitted to the perspective of the person reciting(?) speech except for a number of exceptions. The recited sentence is a secondary clause.
Direct speech is a secondary-clause-worthy-quote which 1:1 reflects what the person says, so no personal pronoun is changed.
"Integrated" quoted speech is a special case of noun phrase that allows for quotes to be used as nouns.
So you can say:

Er sagte, er sei reich.
Er sagte: "Ich bin reich".
Er sagte "Ich bin reich".
Leaving out Konjunktiv means it is no longer indirect speech:
Er sagte, er ist reich. (just a statement)
It would be problematic here:
Hans sagte, ich bin ein Idiot.
Which, if spoken, is not clear whether "ich" refers to Hans or to the speaker:
Hans sagte: "Ich bin ein Idiot". (Hans is the idiot)
Hans sagte, ich sei ein Idiot. (I am the idiot)
However it is optional if you use a dass-clause:
Er sagte, dass er reich ist. (indirect speech)
You can mix indirect speech with quotes:
Er sagte, er sei "reich".
You can use a speech quote in apposition:
Seine Aussage "Ich bin reich" gefiel mir nicht.

[fervent kernel]

Thank you. It looks like it is not exactly like English. The last one though, I didn't know that 👍

[calm kernel]

Wer arbeitslos ist, hat besonders mit dem Verlust von Ansehen und sozialen Kontakten und der mangelnden Strukturierung des Tages zu kämpfen
I am really confused with this sentence structure. Why is it "zu kämpfen´´ and not ´´hat gekämpft´´? Or is there a different combination with ´´hat´´ and ´´zu infinitiv´´?

[rugged hazel]

Exactly - They are sort-of-like-modal-verbs, but govern the zu-Infinitiv, not the infinitive.

[modest marten]

"hat zu kämpfen" would be equivalent to the English "has to fight". Compare that to "has fought".

[calm kernel]

hmm interesting. thank you all, it's the first time that I encountered such a usage

[rugged hazel]

-> Modalitätsverben. (not Modalverben)

[gusty epoch]

I'm at the point where I can read German much better than I can hear it. Reading it makes sense but listening to some native speakers feels like gibberish. Sound about right for starting out?

Just making sure I'm getting somewhere lol

[heavy viper]

what does "Scheiße mal" mean, for example in "warum er sich, scheisse mal, erhängt hat?

[undone verge]

listening was tough for me in comparison to reading as well. The solution is to hear as much German as possible--even if you don't understand anything, your ears/brain will be progressing in picking up on the rhythms, word-breaks, pronunciation, etc and you will improve greatly

[undone verge]

I don't know about 'meaning' per se, but it's acting as an expression of horror here

or if not horror, at least an intensification of whatever emotion the speaker is having

[rugged hazel]

Very unusual usage.

[undone verge]

https://german.stackexchange.com/questions/69856/meaning-of-noch-mal-in-warum-er-sich-scheiße-noch-mal-erhängt-hat

from Dark, for a bit of context

[gusty epoch]

Ah ok! That works.

Time to get back into watching JoergSprave in Deutsch again 😁

[plush forge]

(Wir können unsere Freunde nach ihrer Meinung fragen, zum Beispiel Anna und Lucas und vorgiss unsere Familien nicht.)

is this correct?... how can i say for example

[plush pelican]

Try learner podcasts before moving to material for native speakers. I recommend Coffee Break German and Easy German Podcast

[plush forge]

when referring to people

[rugged hazel]

Yes, only a spelling error: vergiss.

[plush forge]

Dankeschön!

[rugged hazel]

I don't know about the rules for comma after "zum Beispiel Anna und Lucas", but it feels like there should be one.

Yes, it has to be a parenthesis, so it has to be separated by a comma.

[gusty epoch]

Will do! I'll add that to my list

"Is this translation correct?"

Did i understand that right?

[fervent kernel]

Ja, genau

[gusty epoch]

I don't know what Übersetzung means

Oh cool! Danke

[fervent kernel]

Braucht man in diesem Satz am Ende des Wort "paar" "e"?

Ich kenne ein paar(e) Leute in Kanada

[rugged hazel]

Nein.

[fervent kernel]

Entschuldigung, was bedeutet "etw verstehen unter + Dativ" ?

[undone verge]

it is kinda like...
unter X verstehen wir blah blah..."by X we mean blah blah" or a way of defining X

[fervent kernel]

I see 🙏

[fervent kernel]

And are "drohen" and "bedrohen" synonyms?

[long whale]

Same as with many other verbs prefixed with be-, it becomes transitive, i.e. it requires a direct object: "jemanden bedrohen" vs. "jemandem drohen" ;)

[fervent kernel]

Danke liebe Susana 🙏🙏🙏 in my own language the meanings are different lol 😆

[ripe dust]

Can you recommend some folk songs and tongue twisters in German?

[rugged hazel]

"Stille Nacht, heilige Nacht" is quite popular.

[rugged hazel]

You could also look at some stuff "Heino" has done or re-made, e.g. this one which is from 1920s but got popular in 1970s for a second time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeEki7Ft8KQ

[calm kernel]

same happens to me too. i'm now doing b2-c1 hörenübungen (with tasks ofc) and i feel so exhausted as soon as the recording ends and i feel like i understand nothing

[gusty epoch]

What are tasks?

Yeah, listen to full speed speakers is a challenge lol

[calm kernel]

i meant "Aufgaben"

like exercises

[gusty epoch]

Ah ok. I'm just trying to be a sponge and asks questions 😁

[potent parrot]

Would "all of the mentioned" be "alle genannten" or "alle die genannten"?

[calm kernel]

trying to be a sponge?🤨 what does that mean

[gusty epoch]

I mean that that I'm trying to soak up the knowledge like a sponge soaks up wasser

[calm kernel]

a very intellectual way to express it like that :d

[gusty epoch]

Danke 😁

[rugged hazel]

alle Genannten
alle (die(jenigen)), die genannt wurden

[steel patrol]

If someone asks me why I'm learning German and I want to say that's it's because I just have pure, unadulterated love for it/the language, is there any idiomatic way to express that? Up until now I've pretty much always been saying "ich liebe Deutsch/die Sprache einfach", but at this point I feel like I should be able to answer that in a somewhat more elegant manner (not knowing what it is, lol).

[fervent kernel]

i have an issue where the thing that brings me the mos joy in life is language learning/general information

Whenever I feel sad I just remind myself how fun languages are

[steel patrol]

Yesss, it's a wonderful hobby to have (and can also be a great way of escapism, if needed)

[whole portal]

ins Herz geschlossen? xd

[steel patrol]

So then to that question I'd say "Weil mir Deutsch ins Herz geschlossen ist?" (As a side note, I'm a little surprised about it being Accusative rather than Dative, is there a reason for that?)

[long whale]

No... it's "jdn/etwas ins Herz schließen" -> mir doesn't work; nor does Zustandspassiv, you'd say "weil.... habe". Apart from that, you might say "Weil ich die deutsche Sprache für [insert adjective of choice] halte" ;)

[steel patrol]

"Weil ich Deutsch ins Herz geschlossen habe"? Yeah, I thought it didn't understand it quite right at first. This is insightful, thanks!

[modest marten]

I think the most famous tongue twister in German might be
"Fischers Fritze fischt frische Fische. Frische Fische fischt Fischers Fritz."

I remember a comedy show where they had
"Der kleine klapprige Kaplan klebt poppige peppige Papp-Plakate an die klappernde Kapellwand."

[flint nimbus]

Harry ist aus der Übung.
i just don't understand, what does this mean?

out of shape?

[plain umbra]

Out of practice.

[flint nimbus]

oh ok. Could it mean out of practice, more specifically regarding physical activity?

[undone verge]

außer Form // nicht in Form <- out of shape

[whole portal]

2nd one is arguably easier altho I somehow did them both on first try

[undone verge]

Blaukraut bleibt Blaukraut und Brautkleid bleibt Brautkleid <- one I can never say without going really slow and total concentration 😂

but my favourite is from Willi will's Wissen: Pferde mampfen dampfende Äpfel, dampfende Pferdeäpfel mampft niemand.

[opal narwhal]

Ja, und "Fischers Fritz fischt frische Fische, frische Fische fischt Fischers Fritz" finde ich auch gut

[whole portal]

Yeah Blaukraut bleibt Blaukraut is the hardest one I know of

Altho I can do it fairly quick

[valid marten]

Collins german dictionary lists Elter as both a masculine and neuter noun, is there a difference between der Elter and das Elter or does it not matter?

[plain umbra]

People don't really use that word.

Usually they say Elternteil.

[valid marten]

oh alright, thanks!

what about die Eltern? my german book uses that in an example sentence

is that common?

[plain umbra]

Yes, Eltern is the most common.

[valid marten]

ok thank you!

[final stream]

is behagen common?

[dense obsidian]

no.

[whole portal]

Not the most obscure word either tho

[final marlin]

Stimmt. Dein ständiger Versuch, meine Sätze als Fehlerbeispiele darzustellen ist gewöhnlicher.

[long whale]

The answer to this kind of question is quite easy to find: https://www.dwds.de/wb/behagen On the right, you get Worthäufigkeit (says: selten = rare), and below that is a graph, basically telling you the same thing. ;)

[stray shell]

wie können wir unterscheiden zwischen perfekt form von stehen und gestehen ?

[long whale]

Context, as per usual. Contextless sentences only exist within the pages of language learning books. ;)

[whole portal]

Sorry who are you?

I don't keep track of who is who so no, I'm not targeting any one.

[ripe dust]

@rugged hazel and @modest marten, danke ihnen! May I ask where you get it all from? Are you interested in falkler or are there websites?

[rugged hazel]

Got what from?

[modest marten]

I think it's referring to the folk songs and tongue twisters. I mean, it's sort of cultural knowledge you'd get just by growing up here. I wouldn't normally go out to specifically look for those. So I wouldn't have a specific place or website in mind.
And I have no idea what "falkler" might refer to.

[long whale]

"folklore", maybe? 🤔

[modest marten]

Might be. I thought it might refer to the name of a website or a book.
My initial thought was on Falk-Plan (foldable street map series), but I was pretty confident this wasn't referred to ^^

[wraith creek]

''Ich fange mit den Hausaufgaben an.'' und '' Ich fange die Hausaufgaben an.'' Welche ist korrekt? Wenn beide korrekt sind, was ist der Unterschied?

[long whale]

I'd say the 1st version is the normal/idiomatic/correct one.

[wraith creek]

thanks

[final marlin]

Es war nur witzig gemeint. Deswegen hatte ich auch den Emoji daneben hinzugefügt.Tut mir tief leid, wenn du dich beleidigt anfühlst.

[fervent kernel]

Why is this sentence Akkusativ? >>> "Du hast mein Buch“

[charred harbor]

Because what someone has is the grammatical object

The subject is what’s doing the having and the object is what’s being had

It’s the same principle as “ich esse einen Apfel”

[tiny temple]

Hey, what is the definition of the word 'es'. Google says it means 'its'. But why is it sometimes used as 'I'? (e.g. es geht)

[plain umbra]

Yes, it means "it". It's the pronoun for neuter gender. However, it does not translate as "I". It's just that some sentences that have "es" as the subject in German translate into a sentence with something else as the subject in English.

Since when you translate, it won't always be a word-for-word translation. Sometimes the whole sentence will be different.

For something like "Es geht mir gut", what you're basically saying is "It's going well for me". But in English this usually gets translates to "I'm doing well". It's just because that's a more natural-sounding translation for each language.

[tiny temple]

thanks for the help

!

[spiral vapor]

hallöchen, ich würde mich darüber freuen, wenn jemand meine Übungen überprüfen könnte

[undone verge]

in Aufgabe 4 'outsourcen' needs to somehow be transformed into it's partizip II form, since passive is formed with partizip II + werden
vertreten conjugated for er is 'vertritt'

I don't know how I would do it haha geoutsourced?

outgesourced

The sentences look good. I didn't read the book page in too much detail, but overall it appears right. I would switch the order in 5, so 'muss unbedingt beteiligt und zu den Sitzungen eingeladen werden.' but it could be a matter of taste

well that simply won't do T_T

[long whale]

My sentiments exactly. ;)

I.e. I'd change it the way you suggested, and I don't really think it's a matter of taste.

[spiral vapor]

right

[spiral vapor]

this one was the one I was confused about the most, thank you

[pure crow]

Schöne Handschrift

[whole portal]

That one's weird and I keep reading conflicting opinions about it

from keeping the actual verb English and adding parts to only using German endings like "outgesourcet"

personally I'd go with outgesourced or just outsourced and keep it English

[pure crow]

Can I use ankommen and eintreffen interchangeably?

[whole portal]

Hm

There's some distinction there, I think eintreffen is used more for getting to somewhere with people

But I think it's fine to use it interchangeably for the most part

[pure crow]

If I arrive in an empty building, I would use ankommen?

[whole portal]

Yeah sure

[pure crow]

Thank you Yoshi

[fervent kernel]

Könten sie mit "doch, jedoch, trotzdem, dennoch, allerdings, gleichwohl des ungeachtet, nichtsdestominder, nichtsdestoweniger" satz bilden ?

Und was ist Konjunktionen mit Umstellung ?

[undone verge]

yeah, makes more sense to me, too.

[whole portal]

Or just don't use silly anglizisms when there are plenty of German words available smh.

[rugged hazel]

These do not all belong to the same category.

[maiden badge]

Tried to make a short paragraph. Let me know if I made any mistake.

ÜB 8.d. Schreiben Sätze im Präsens, im Präteritum und im Perfekt.
Ich werde 35 Jahre Alt. Eine Ärztin bin ich seit 28 Jahre Alt geworden. Vor langer Zeit 1997 wurde meine Familie krank, weil sie am Meer versinken. Sie wurden nach ein paar Tagen im Krankenhaus gesund sein. Dort habe ich viele Anbieter im Gesundheitswesen kennengelernt. Seitdem möchtete ich eine Ärztin werden und studierte Medizin. Man wird gesund sein und ich werde sie helfen.

[delicate tiger]

what did you want to say (in English)?

[maiden badge]

I'm 35 years old. I've became s doctor since I'm 28 y.o. Long ago in 1997, my family became sick, because they sunk in the sea. They became healthy after a couple days in hospital. In there, I've learnt lots of healthcare provider (worker?). Since then I wanted to be a doctor and studied medicine. People want to be healthy and I want to help them.

[delicate tiger]

"Ich bin 35 Jahre alt. Ich bin seit sieben Jahren eine Ärztin. Vor langer Zeit, in 1997, musste meine Familie ins Krankenhaus, da sie fast ertrunken wären. Nach ein paar Tagen konnten sie wieder aus dem Krankenhaus entlassen werden. Dort lernte ich viele Ärzte und Krankenschwestern kennen. Seitdem möchte ich eine Ärztin werden und studierte Medizin. Leute wollen gesund sein und ich möchte ihnen dabei helfen."

[pure crow]

Hi guys.

I'm struggling with the last clause, 'den er sich selbst verwebrt hatte' - when I look up verweben I get 'to weave sth'... but translation doesn't seem to fit the context.

He was seeking that peace that he weaved when he was alive?

[long whale]

spelling: verwehrt (nothing to do with weaving) ;)

Btw, I see there's a typo on the left page, last line: verrottend

[pure crow]

Thank you - just looked verwehren up ans it fits perfectly

[pure crow]

Good eye 👁️

[long whale]

I'm curious: is "in" + year considered correct now in German?

[modest marten]

Do you know "Der Dativ ist dem Genitiv sein Tod" by Bastian Sick? Listened to the audio book years ago. He had a chapter/paragraph on this exact question. I vaguely recall that he didn't approve.

[rugged hazel]

Duden disagrees:

Die Verwendung der Präposition in ist eine Entlehnung aus dem Englischen und wird nicht im ganzen deutschen Sprachraum akzeptiert.

[whole portal]

I mean a language is made up by its speakers so I'll add my mustard (.-.) which is that it sounds wrong.

[kindred idol]

is

"Hast du das gefallen?" correct?

[dense obsidian]

no.

[kindred idol]

wb that

[dense obsidian]

no.

[kindred idol]

then what is

[dense obsidian]

Hat dir das gefallen?

[kindred idol]

ok thank you

[acoustic patrol]

the thing about gefallen is that unlike english “i like this thing” you’re not the one performing the action, the thing that you like is. so it’s more like “this thing is liked by me”

[tired igloo]

^yes

[small urchin]

Is "Schön das zu hören!" a correct response to "alles perfekt"?

[charred harbor]

Yeah

I think “Gut zu hören” or “(Das) freut mich zu hören” might be more common though

[calm kernel]

how can I say "...based" in German? like, "proteinbased, respectbased..."? DeepL says "..basiert" aber ist es korrekt?

[fervent kernel]

Yep.

[long whale]

Certainly works for protein. For respect, it might sound... off. X beruht auf Y is what I'd rather say.

Y needs to be in Dativ, btw.

[fervent kernel]

I don't think it would sound off. But yes beruht can also be used.

[calm kernel]

i didn't quite get the x beruft auf y part

beruht*

[fervent kernel]

Example:
Deutsch: Eine gute Beziehung beruht auf Respekt.
English: A good relationship is based on respect.

[zinc dock]

Was ist richtig, bitte
Endlich wohnen wir neben Leuten, (a) die b) den c) denen d) der ) ich gerne helfe

[tropic falcon]

Denen, wahrscheinlich

[zinc dock]

Danke

[zinc dock]

Der Satz ? Bitte

Du hast einen neuen Freund. Wie heißt denn der ...
a) Glücklich b) glückliche c) Glücklicher d) Glückliche

[tropic falcon]

Ehrlich gesagt weiß ich hier nicht

Entweder c oder weiß nicht

[fervent kernel]

d

[zinc dock]

Vielen Dank

[zinc dock]

gebliben ist richtig hier?
. Der 1. Tag in meiner Arbeit ist mir in guter Erinnerung......
a) gegangen b) gefallen c) gemacht d) gebliben

[tropic falcon]

d

[fervent kernel]

*geblieben but yes you are right

[zinc dock]

Sehr gut

[fervent kernel]

Ich will fragen, was das Wort "Laub" bedeutet. Ich habe das Wort gefunden während ich das Wort "foliage" von Englisch zu Deutsch übersetzt habe aber laut dem Langenscheidt Wörterbuch, bedeutet das nur Blätter aber auf Englisch, so weit ich weiß, bedeutet jedes mit grün in Natur (Bäumen, Gras, Blätter usw.). Ich bin verwirrt 🤔

It's the leaves of trees and bushes.

Not grass

[rugged hazel]

To add to it, not any trees, but only broad-leaved trees

Leaves of a pine, for example, are not Laub

[fervent kernel]

Interessant. Ich weiß nicht genau was "foliage" auf Englisch bedeutet aber in einem Werkzeug, das ich benutze um Computerspiele zu erstellen, gibt es das Wort "foliage" und damit kann man Bäumen, Gras, Blätter usw. zu dem Spiel hinzufügen

Und was könnte das allgemeines Wort für alles grün in Natur sein? 🤔

(Ich habe immer auf Englisch das Wort "foliage" dafür benutzt)

[ripe dust]

So the surest way is to imbibe yourself in the culture of the German nation? And yes. That was a mistake, I meant folklore.

[modest marten]

The surest way to know the culture here is being born and/or grown up here. You get to hear a lot like this in children's education. Once you become an adult, this sort of knowledge basically stops to matter unless you yourself (help) raise a child.

I'm referring to folk songs and tongue twisters and the like, not the whole of the German culture, just to be clear.

[rugged hazel]

Dictionaries also say that "foliage" is leaves, so it's probably just used loosely?

[fervent kernel]

kA, vielleicht. Ich habe gerade auf Cambridge Dictionary das Wort überprüft und ja bedeutet es "the leaves of a plant or tree, or leaves on the stems or branches on which they are growing"

Ich habe immer das Wort falsch benutzt 😅

[rugged hazel]

I would also like to know a better umbrella term that is not technical. In most games, foliage shading includes moving the grass blades too, though - And evergreens as well. 🤷‍♂️

[fervent kernel]

Kann ich hier eine Audiodatei als Wav-Datein hochladen? Es gibt etwas, das ich nicht verstehen konnte aber ich möchte auch keinen "ban" bekommen 😄

[whole portal]

Also ich würde zu komprimierten Formaten raten, da die sonst sehr schnell groß werden.

[fervent kernel]

Das ist nur ein paar Sekunden lang

Was sagt die Frau in dieser Audiodatei?

Well, that's kinda short notice (or short term or last minute), Mr. Seppel or whatever his name is.

[delicate tiger]

"Naja, das ist jetzt schon etwas kurzfristig Herr Seppelt"

[fervent kernel]

Oh thought they asked for a translation. No idea why I thought that lol

[vague cobalt]

Im Satz "Ich dachte, ich hätte jemandem gesehen.", wieso steht jemand im Dativ?

[worldly zinc]

nein es muss "jemanden" heißen. Akkusativ.

[vague cobalt]

Genauso wie ich dachte, danke 😄

[fervent kernel]

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen "versenden" und "senden", oder "verschicken" und "schicken"?

[worldly zinc]

ich schicke jemandem etwas. aber ich verschicke etwas an jemanden.
schicken = Bezug zu einer Person
verschicken = Bezug zu einer Sache
dasselbe mit senden.

[rugged hazel]

jemandem and dasselbe please 👍

[rugged hazel]

Schicken & Senden: Subject(Sender) + Verb + Dativ Object(Receiver) + Akkusativ Object(Sent item)
Verschicken & Versenden: Subject(Sender) + Verb + Akkusativ Object(Sent item) + Prepositional Phrase with "an" and Akkusativ(Receiver)

[long whale]

@rugged hazel@fervent kernel I'd say just that: [das] Grün (nominalized adjective), to include grass as well as trees/bushes/flowers. Unlike "das Grünzeug" (colloquial), I'd happily use "[das] Grün" in a more formal context.

[rugged hazel]

Ok

[fervent kernel]

Was bedeutet "es gab da das selbst nicht"? Ich habe das auf einem Video gehört (wenn ich richtig gehört habe). die Frau in dem Video hatte Ärger wegen ihrem Mann und grundsätzlich in der Szene hat der Mann die Frau angerufen und wollte eine Cola, und natürlich hatte die Frau mehr Ärger und sie hat nach dem Anruf diesen Satz gesagt: "Eine Cola? Es gab da das selbst nicht, oder"

[opal narwhal]

Apropos Farben und substantivierte Adjektive: Sind die beiden folgenden Sätze richtig?
Ich markiere die Verben in Rot. (substantiviertes Adjektiv)
Ich habe die Verben rot markiert. (adverbiale Verwendung)
Oder habe ich es falsch verstanden?

[long whale]

You either misheard or the woman misspoke: Es gab da selbst das nicht = They didn't even have this there (literally: Even this did not exist there)

[long whale]

Seems fine to me.

[whole portal]

🤔 not a things, maybe "Das glaubst du doch selbst nicht" or "Es gab da selbst das nicht"/"Es gab das selbst da nicht".

[opal narwhal]

Super, vielen Dank!

[fervent kernel]

Ok. Ich werde die Stimme der Szene aufnehmen

[whole portal]

Das glaubt er/ihr doch selbst nicht, oder?

[fervent kernel]

Bedeutet das wie "what a self-confidence"? 😄

[whole portal]

Das glaubt[a] doch selbst nicht, oder?

Do you mean coincidence

Oh

It just accuses the other person of lying or something being impossible

"He doesn't even believe it himself"

[fervent kernel]

I am having difficulties to pick up words when someone speaks fast

Idk if it's because of my vocabulary or my hearing skill

[long whale]

Both, probably. It just takes time. And many, if not most people find understanding native speakers at natural speed the most challenging task. 🧁

[whole portal]

They're speaking casually obviously

So yeah I'd say gotta train hearing comprehension by listening to more stuff

[uncut mulch]

i think one of my biggest problems is trying to translate german into english when writing/speaking
does anyone have any tips on how to practice not doing that?

[long whale]

Practice is key. The more you speak/write, the more you'll find you can do so without translating in your head. ;)

[uncut mulch]

ah thank you :) i will def practice more with that <3

[ruby ferry]

hi really quick one! im doing a bibliography in german and ive never had to do it before and i have seen different verbs used for this little bit - i want to say the equivalent of [accessed on xx.xx.xxxx] for online sources, would it be best to use abgerufen, ausgerufen or zugegriffen?

[long whale]

I think only "abgerufen" would work in this context. 🤔

[whole portal]

I know it as
source.bla (Letzter Zugriff am 15.03.23)

[ruby ferry]

ok thank you! i had seen all 3 be used (as well as letzter zugriff) so was just wondering if there was a right one and there seems to be lol

[fervent kernel]

Ist das grammatisch okay, "meiner Meinung nach" dort zu stellen?

"Wenn man eine Aufgabe habe, meiner Meinung nach soll man sie in dem gleichen Tag erledigen"

[whole portal]

❌

[fervent kernel]

Welche Position würde am besten sein?

[whole portal]

Wenn man eine Aufgabe hat, sollte man sie meiner Meinung nach am gleichen Tag erledigen.

[fervent kernel]

Ich denke, dass nur das Wort "dann" zwischen die Komma und das Verb im Nebensatz kommen kann, oder?

[long whale]

There is no "am besten" here, yoshi's version is the only viable one. Your wenn-clause takes Pos. 1 -> the conjugated verb must follow after the comma.

[fervent kernel]

Danke euch 🙂

[fervent kernel]

Weiß nicht, ob es möglich ist zu sagen 😅

Wenn es mehr als eine Person gibt

[long whale]

Yes, it's fine. ... ob es möglich ist*, das** zu sagen ;)

@fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

Achso, ja. "Sagen" braucht immer ein Objekt. Danke 🙂

[whole portal]

I guess you could add it at the end, at least casually

Bla bla, zumindest meiner Meinung nach.

[fervent kernel]

Ich habe von hier gelernt, dass das reflexive Teil eines Verbs so nahe wie möglich an dem Subjekt steht aber was passiert wenn man ein reflexives Verb in einem "um-zu"-Satz benutzt? z.B.

"Ich benutze diese Tabelle, um 1(mich) an das Thema einfach 2(mich) zu erinnern"
(I use this table to remember the subject easily)

Wohin gehört das Wort "mich" in diesem Satz? Ich habe 2 Vermutungen

[long whale]

1 is correct, 2 won't wash.

*Wohin gehört das Wort "mich" in diesem Satz?

[fervent kernel]

Danke 🙂 Aber so weit ich weiß, bedeutet das Wort "gehören" "to belong". Warum gibt es "wohin", statt "wo" zu benutzen?

Wenn ich "gehören" benutzen müssen würde, würde ich einfach sagen: "Wo gehört das Wort "mich" in diesem Satz?"

Oder nimmt "gehören" immer "wohin"?

[long whale]

That wouldn't be a German sentence. 🤷 Please try to get rid of the idea that even if a German word has a pretty valid-looking translation/equivalent in English, it will always be used in exactly the same way. https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/gehören ;)

[long whale]

When used in the sense of "to take one's rightful place", yes.

[fervent kernel]

Eigentlich verstehe ich die Bedeutung. Aus einer anderen Perspektive macht das Sinn aber ich konnte nicht das "wohin"-Teil verstehen

[fervent kernel]

Vielen Dank 🙂

[fervent kernel]

Machen diese Sätze auf Deutsch Sinn?
"Zeigen wir ihnen, woraus wir gemacht sind"
"Zeigen wir ihnen, was in uns steckt"

Ich suche die Übersetzung von "Let's show them what we are made of" und diese sind die Übersetzungen von DeepL, was mir ein bisschen falsch klingt

[long whale]

Not wrong at all, but I don't think they'd be used the way the English sentence is used. On the other hand, I feel many of those "firing people up" things don't have a good equivalent in German. Perhaps that's because we're not all that... fire-y up-py?

[fervent kernel]

Umm... Ich weiß nicht, ob das letzten Teil ich richtig verstanden habe 😅

[long whale]

I think... maybe... "Jetzt machen wir denen Feuer unterm Arsch" might fit... Let's see what other native speakers think.

[long whale]

*ob ich den letzten Teil richtig verstanden habe

[fervent kernel]

Ich muss dann auch die Redewendungen auf Deutsch lernen. 🤔 Weißt du vielleicht, ob es eine gute Webseite gibt, in der es häufige verwendete Redewendungen gibt? @long whale

[long whale]

*dann auch auch dann

[long whale]

Explanations - yes: https://www.redensarten-index.de/suche.php

However, they don't show frequency, so, that's a huge minus.

[fervent kernel]

Vielen Dank. Übrigens, ich versuche immer, auf Deutsch zu texten, denn so können die Leute mich korrigieren 🙂 Und es ist auch für mich ein paar gute Übungen

[long whale]

*ist... eine gute Übung ;) (The verb is not in accordance with plural, plus, I feel singular would be a lot more idiomatic here)

[calm kernel]

ich habe eine dringende Frage: habt ihr in Deutsch das Sprichtwort: "eine Sprache, ein Mensch" ? wenn die Antwort ja ist, ist das, wie das man es schreibt?

[wise pendant]

Die Antwort ist nein, haben wir nicht

[snow herald]

Wenn es nicht regelmäßig gepflegt werden würde - is this some mistakenly written sentence because I can't fugure it grammatically? Or someone can explain to me which verb form and tense gepflegt werden würde is?

[whole portal]

K2 Passiv @snow herald

Futur

[calm kernel]

Klassische Methoden wurden allerdings, wie es in der Grafik analysiert werden kann, mehr bevorzugt als erwartet.
Ist dieser Satz schon perfekt? Wie kann ich ihn verbessern?

Stellung fällt mir schwer

[rugged hazel]

I see no mistakes

Maybe some weird phrasing in the Grafik analysieren part, I don't know how much sense that sentence makes

[long whale]

I feel sth like "... wie aus der Grafik hervorgeht/wie die G. zeigt/wie aus der Grafik zu ersehen ist" would considerably improve the sentence. ;)

[calm kernel]

what's unnatural about the grafik analysieren part though?

[long whale]

There are a few very common ones in here: https://www.t-online.de/leben/id_86113638/quiz-zur-sprache-kennen-sie-diese-deutschen-redewendungen-.html

[whole portal]

Analyzing is the process of deriving information

[calm kernel]

the sentence was about a grapf that you analyse 😳

[whole portal]

You don't analyze the results, you get them

[fervent kernel]

Ich nehme die Risiko und sage, Vielen Dank 😄

[long whale]

This translation of "I'll take the risk" doesn't make any sense in German, I'm afraid. ;)

[fervent kernel]

Achso und wie kann man das sagen?

[long whale]

"Ich gehe das Risiko ein" (although, frankly, it's hard to see what kind of risk would be involved here... 😄)

[fervent kernel]

Ich war einmal "muted" weil ich zu viel "Danke" gesagt habe und der Bot hat mich automatisch "muted" 😄

[calm kernel]

why is that underlined word need to be corrected?

i want to make it komperativ

[long whale]

Because it's nonsense.

[calm kernel]

oh

i wanted to say "which is in most cases a more helpful method"

than ....

[long whale]

Yes, but only a person can be hilfsbereit (prepared to help). A thing can only be hilfreich (helpful/helping)

[calm kernel]

ohh

i see

but it was still underlined when i tried to make it hilfreicher

let me try

😭

[long whale]

🤷

[calm kernel]

i think "more helpful" doesn't make sense like you first said

something can help more but can't more more helpful(??) idk

[long whale]

This looks fine to me. I have no idea why it would get underlined. 🤷

Anyway, "red squiggly line" means "wrong", what does "blue squiggly line" mean?

[calm kernel]

no idea

[long whale]

Just ignore it, then.

[calm kernel]

yeah probably

thank you for the effort

[low marlin]

"Sag ihnen die Wahrheit, aber ohne ... zu schaden, der nichts mit dem Problem zu tun hat"
I thought the correct answer is denjenigen because "ohne" takes accusative case but the answer is demjenige. Could you please explain why?

[flint nimbus]

why is gegenüber pure dative, and not two-way? How to talk about placing something opposite to something?

[long whale]

The verb "schaden" requires Dativ: jemandem schaden. And plural (denjenigen) doesn't fit in with the relative pronoun "der" (which would have to be "die" for plural)

(not to mention the verb in the relative clause is also in 3rd person sg)

[long whale]

I'm not sure what you mean. Many prepositions always require Dativ. 🤷

[flint nimbus]

what i mean is, i would've expected to be able to use gegenüber to able to say "i placed it opposite to her", but that's not possible then, because it's only dative, right? or how does one resolve that?

it seems like it's otherwise a preposition that could've used the ack/dat distinction

[long whale]

Ich habe es ihr gegenüber hingestellt/aufgestellt. I'm still not sure what you see as a problem here. It's just that you get the added joy of having to think about directional movement with 2-way prepositions. It's not as if they're necessary to express directional movement (or lack thereof). 🤷

[flint nimbus]

so even though it can be used both ways it's not 2-way prep? that's annoying

[soft osprey]

Hi folks, I need help with understanding a couple of sentences. Would you please explain it? Here is the first one: “Mit umwölkter Stirn brütete er vor sich hin.” What is the role and meaning of “vor sich hin” at the end? Wouldn’t meaning of the sentence be the same without them?

Another tough sentence: “Einmal hielt er in seiner Wanderung inne”. Google translates it as ‘At one point he stopped walking’. What is the meaning of ‘inne’? What would be a correct sentence translation?

The last sentence: “in dem Kessel ein gewisses Süppchen vor sich hin köchelte”. Google translated ‘a certain soup was simmering in the cauldron’. What is the role and meaning of ‘vor sich hin’. What would be the right sentence translation?

[whole portal]

lol

No it would not

brüten means to incubate

like a bird

they're not doing that

vor sich hin brüten instead means they're thinking really hard, also vor sich hin adds character

[rugged hazel]

It's using "hin" figuratively.
"hin" can appear with prepositions in a adverbial of direction to verify/emphasise the direction, like in

Es ist [über ganz Deutschland hin] bekannt. (it is optional in this example)
But figuratively it's very much connected to the verb: "[vor sich hin] brüten", like "ins Kino" is connected to "gehen" in "ins Kino gehen".
To do something "vor sich hin" means to do (and currently continue to do) something isolated, I guess, but having no problem with that. Having joy with the action doing it alone.
Another example of "hin" used figuratively (different meaning):
Er hat ihr das [auf ihr Geheiß hin] gegeben.

[whole portal]

seperable verb, innehalten = to pause

[fervent kernel]

ist dieses Wort echt? erklärungbedürftig. DeepL kann dieses Wort richtig übersetzen aber es existiert nicht auf verbformen.de oder pons

[whole portal]

Erklärungsbedürftig ist in der Tat ein Wort.

[rugged hazel]

With s, it is

[whole portal]

also 🤨

[rugged hazel]

s

with s

[whole portal]

Oh I didn't even see the typo

the inne- itself means inwards, inside so innehalten sorta means to hold something inside the moment

[fervent kernel]

Achso. Danke

[rugged hazel]

inne is the particle of "innehalten" that gets separated. The translation is okay, but usually you use "innehalten" if there is something else that requires your attention: You've noticed a bird singing so you stop to listen to it. "stehenbleiben" on the other hand has none of that nuance(?), it's just stop walking.

[rugged hazel]

As above, the soup is doing something in isolation/without being disrupted - Since the soup is inanimate of course, it just means that nobody is touching the soup (not stirring it for example). It can be left out.

[long whale]

I'd say vor sich hin+verb usually means sth like "to verb [quietly] to oneself", as in "Bei der Arbeit summte er [leise] vor sich hin" = He was humming quietly to himself while he was working

[charred harbor]

Usually it means it's correct but there's a better alternative AFAIK

[rugged hazel]

Blue is usually semantics right

[whole portal]

At least in word, yeah, misplaced commas and such

But then again in JetBrains stuff typos are marked by a dotted green line .-.

Altho I find that feature rather silly so I turn it off

[fervent kernel]

Ich bin immer verwirrt darüber, wann man "lang" und "länge" benutzt. Könnte jemand bitter mir erklären? (Es würde toll sein wenn es auch ein paar Beispiele geben würde)

[long whale]

I think you've gotten things mixed up. 🤔 Did you mean lang/long vs. länger/longer? Because die Länge = length.

[fervent kernel]

Ich kann mich nicht genau erinnern aber ich bin mir sicher, dass es nur 1 Buchstabenunterschied gab

lang-lange, vielleicht?

[long whale]

*Buchstabenunterschied

[fervent kernel]

Wenn man 2 Wörter verbindet, macht man das erste Wort plural? Gilt das immer?

[long whale]

Well... "lang" is the base form, the form you use when the adjective is adverbially used. In this case, it sometimes appears with an optional -e (es hat lang[e] gedauert), but you can always drop it to be on the safe side.

[long whale]

No. There aren't really any good rules for making compound nouns in German (too many variables, I think). Which is why you can NOT make your own. If you feel there ought to be one, check a dictionary to find out about spelling.

(All the usual compound nouns will turn up in a dictionary.)

[fervent kernel]

Das ist dann etwas, was ich mir merken muss. Eine andere Aufgabe zu lernen 😅

Jedenfalls, vielen Dank 🙂

[long whale]

... was ich mir merken muss ;)

Bitte, gern.

[fervent kernel]

Was bedeutet "(nicht) firm sein"?

[long whale]

https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/firm

[fervent kernel]

hello

Ist diese Übersetzung richtig?
"I wonder if it's just me or did you also heard the noise?" - "Ich frage mich, ob es nur an mir liegt oder ob du auch den Lärm gehört hast"

Das Teil "liegen an" klingt mir wie z.B. es gibt eine Situation und die Fertigstellung der Situation hängt von mir ab 🤔

[rugged hazel]

Actually, I was wrong. There is no comma required there. Sorry.

No problem with your sentence 👍

The comma rules around conjunctions are confusing :)

[fervent kernel]

Ich kann nicht mehr mal auf Englisch diese Kommaregeln befolgen, obwohl ich in IELTS-Prüfung voll gemacht habe 😅 Ich kann mich nicht die alle Regeln errinern

[long whale]

etwas liegt an jemandem/etwas - basically: something is somebody's fault; something is caused by sth else. However, instead of using the word "fault" or "cause", I think it often gets translated simply as "it's..." E.g. "Ich habe solche Kopfschmerzen!" - "Das liegt am Wetter." (I've got such a headache! - It's the weather.) or "Ich weiß nicht, woran es liegt, dass ich ständig solche Kopfschmerzen habe" (I don't know why [it is but] I've got such a headache all the time -> I don't know what causes me to have such a headache all the time)

[fervent kernel]

Ich möchte ein paar Fragen über Höflichkeit stellen.

1. Ist es okay, "bitte schön" zu sagen während man das Geld einem Kassierer/-in gibt? und ist "mit Karten bitte" zu sagen grammatisch okay?
2. Was soll man sagen während man das Laden/Geschäft verlässt? Ich habe ein paar Mal "schönen Tag/Abend" gesagt aber ich denke, das geht nicht, oder?

[long whale]

1. "Bitte schön" is fine when handing over sth. Did you mean "Mit Karte, bitte"? (Karten is plural and doesn't make any sense) Yes, it's fine.

[fervent kernel]

Ich habe einmal "mit Karten bitte" von einer Frau gehört währen ich auf die Schlange gewartet habe und die Frau hat wie eine Deutsche ausgesehen, aber ich bin mir nicht sicher 😅

[long whale]

2. No. Those only work if you tag on "noch".

And... well, I'd just mimic what the cashier says.

[long whale]

She either wasn't German or you misheard. 🤷

[fervent kernel]

Direkt "Danke" zu sagen geht nicht, oder?

Während verlassen

[long whale]

Huh? "Danke" instead of "Auf Wiedersehen"?

[fervent kernel]

Das klingt aber so formell mir 🙂 Ich weiß es nicht aber ich habe immer in England "Thank you" gesagt während ich Geschäfte verlassen habe

[long whale]

*während ich in der Schlange/an der Kasse gewartet habe (auf jdn/etwas warten = to wait for sth/so)

[long whale]

That's why I said I'd mimic what the other person says.

[fervent kernel]

Ich habe bisher nicht so gut in Bezug auf Höflichkeit getan 🙂 Ich werde diese nächstes Mal probieren

Danke

[long whale]

Particularly the 1st sentence doesn't make any sense whatsoever, I'm afraid.

[fervent kernel]

Jetzt habe ich den mit "getan" geändert. Geht das jetzt?

[long whale]

No.

I'm not even quite sure what you're trying to say here.

[fervent kernel]

"I haven't done so well so far in terms of politeness"

Well, this is a bit unclear but I wanted to point out the times that I'm in Germany. "I haven't done good so far in terms of ..."

[long whale]

You haven't really tried/worried about it -> Ich habe mich bisher nicht so sehr um Höflichkeit bemüht/gekümmert

[shut briar]

Gibt es ein Wort für Wörter, die spezifisch für eine Bereich ist?

[proven sphinx]

Fachwörter?

Das meinst du wohl, oder?

[shut briar]

Ich muss für eine Hochzeitsfeier dolmetschen, und morgen muss ich den Bräutigam fragen, was für eine Hochzeit es ist, da wollte ich dieses Wort benutzen

[proven sphinx]

Was für eine Hochzeit es ist? Du meinst, ob es jetzt eine zivile oder kirchliche Hochzeit ist oder eine gleichgeschlechtliche Hochzeit oder sowas?

[shut briar]

Ach ja. Natürlich. Meine Güte vergesse ich die normalste Wörter

[shut briar]

Nee. Also ist es eine Hochzeit in Indien. Und du weißt schon es gibt eine Menge Religionen und ihre verschiedenen Riten

[proven sphinx]

Ach sooooo.

Ja, das verstehe ich schon.

[ashen violet]

Hallöchen wie geht's euch

[proven sphinx]

Äh, hast du denn eine Frage? Es gibt andere Kanäle dafür, wenn du dich einfach auf Deutsch unterhalten willst, nämlich #german-only und #beginner-german . 😅

[ivory crag]

hello! i just wanted to ask if the phrase "ich habe diese idee großartige gefunden" is
a) correct in structure
b) a natural thing to say/write, and if it sounds way too weird, a better option i could use!

[opal narwhal]

No, the word order is wrong

Or... I think it's only that you wanted to say something else

[whole portal]

Or the deklination of großartig is wrong?

[opal narwhal]

Wahrscheinlich ist es das

"Ich habe diese Idee großartig gefunden" if you find the idea good

[ivory crag]

ahhh i see, yeah that's what i meant

danke!!

is there any better way of saying that?

[final marlin]

Fachbegriffe wäre besser, oder ?

[terse skiff]

Im a bit confused by 'um' right now. I saw it being used as 'for' in the sentence 'ich kämpfe um meine Leben' but any other 'I fight for X' sentence I try uses Für and I can't find the appropriate meaning for um in the dictionary

[fervent kernel]

according to Duden Unterscheidung and Bedeutung are both nouns, but because of the ending "ung" they also seem to be of the same sort. Are not they? what would be word for Bedeutung, in the similar way Unterschied is for Unterscheidung?

[long whale]

*ich kämpfe um mein (no -e) Leben - The thing is, in English you don't differentiate between "um etwas/jdn kämpfen" = you're fighting to get/keep something/someone, fighting not to lose sth/so and "für etwas/jdn kämpfen" = to fight for a person or a cause, to help that person/thing. That's why, if you put in a sentence like "He fought for king and country", the translation will use "für" instead of "um". Does that help?

(Yes, there might occasionally be some overlap, but if e.g. a guy's girlfriend is about to leave him, and he's trying very hard to win her back, you could only say "Er kämpft um seine Freundin".)

[long whale]

The suffix -ung is just something you use to make a noun out of a verb-root, a bit like the English noun suffix -ity. And while there are often several German nouns (usually with different meanings) related to the same verb (lesen (to read) -> das Lesen (the act of reading); die Lesung (a public reading, usually by the book's author), there is no guarantee this will work. And for "bedeuten", there is just this one noun: Bedeutung.

[versed wasp]

Ich habe heute keine Frage , aber ich möchte einfach nur Hallo sagen. @long whale

[whole portal]

#beginner-german?

[idle compass]

Where can I find translations for reflexive verbs?

[plain umbra]

In a dictionary.

[fervent kernel]

Danke schön

[shut briar]

Aussagekräftig bedeutet meaningful, sagenhaft ist magnificent

Also was ist die Idee dahinter, Sage Wortstamm so zu benutzen

[whole portal]

Sage = Erzählung = Tale/Legend

sagenhaft is legendary

[shut briar]

Ach soo

Dann aussagekräftig ist etwas mit vielen Informationen

[long whale]

I'd say it's usually: with clear information; really making a point

[whole portal]

chill

Womit verbringst du denn die meiste Zeit?

Ich meine jetzt schon spezifischer. ^^"

Vokabeln lernen, Texte lesen, Videos schauen/hören, mit anderen reden, etc.

Das ist ordentlich, was motiviert dich denn?

Ich meinte schon deine Motivation (ohne Komma war richtig), du lernst ja nicht wenig.

Meine Frage war, weshalb du überhaupt Deutsch lernen möchtest.

Und ich glaube vielleicht solltest du mehr daran arbeiten, generell Sätze zu verstehen, auch wenn du ein paar Wörter nicht kennst bzw. nachschlagen musst. Tausende Wörter zu lernen fällt wahrscheinlich einfacher, wenn man alles drumherum versteht und sich so auch einiges aus dem Kontext ableiten kann.

(Hab aber selbst nie bewusst Deutsch gelernt also bin ich da kein Experte.)

[fervent kernel]

is fisch masc or fem or neut

[primal shadow]

Bewerbung um eine Ausbildung zur Hotelfachmann
Bewerbung um eine Ausbildung zum Hotelfachmann
Please what is the difference and which one is correct?

[opal narwhal]

masc. (der Fisch)

[whole portal]

You could also use a dictionary for that

[dense obsidian]

the second one is correct. first one would be used if you're female. "zur Hotelfachfrau"

[final marlin]

Seit wann lernst du Deutsch ? Wann hast du eigentlich mit Deutschlernen angefangen?

[fervent kernel]

"Die Schweizer Bank UBS hat die Übernahme der in die Krise geratenen Credit Suisse bekannt gegeben."

Can you guys explain to me why is "der" being used here? I can barely understand the sentence.

[foggy mist]

it's this genitive construction: "die Übernahme der Credit Suisse"

• the phrase "in die Krise geraten" is being used to describe the Credit Suisse

in simpler words:

Die Schweizer Bank hat bekannt gegeben, dass sie die Credit Suisse übernommen hat, welche in die Krise geraten war.

die (in die Krise geratene) Credit Suisse

Übernahme der (in die Krise geratenen) Credit Suisse

[rancid valley]

hallo. can someone tell me how to say "it looks like.." for example: it looks like you have a lot to do.

[undone verge]

I would say 'sieht so aus, als hättest du viel zu tun'

[fervent kernel]

That's perfect! Thank you!

[whole portal]

Also just "[es] scheint"

Scheint, als ...

[calm kernel]

can we translate it like "to struggle"? i always thought of it like fighting/struggling

[calm kernel]

es scheint dazu, dass du viel zu tun habe.
edit: the verb "haben" should be naturally conjugated for "du". so it should be "hast".

[jagged token]

Hiya 🙂 I was just wondering, what is the difference between der Knödel and der Kloß? Duolingo taught me both, but when I google them they appear similar/the same. Are they different?

[long whale]

If you can "struggle for sth"...?

[long whale]

The verb in the dass-clause is not in accordance with the subject.

[calm kernel]

hast*

lol sorru

[long whale]

Same thing, different names according to region.

[jagged token]

Ahh that makes sense! Thank you very much for the help

[calm kernel]

I'm struggling to skip my current class.
Ich kämpfe(?), meine gegenwärtige Klasse zu überspringen.

[long whale]

You'd have to add in "damit", but it doesn't really make sense to me. 🤔

[calm kernel]

there is an example like this

[long whale]

No. You didn't read the example right. There's an "um... zu..." in there = in order to...

@calm kernel

[calm kernel]

oh

correct

so with the addition of "um", it will make sense?

[long whale]

Well, the thing is: if you have excellent grades and are much more advanced than the rest of your classmates, you may be allowed to skip a class, right? Then you may struggle to catch up with the class you've been put in, right? But how would you be "struggling to skip a class"? I don't get it. 🤷@calm kernel

[calm kernel]

maybe he's so good but just not perfect. my example can be confusing though. nichts ist mir eingefallen xd

[long whale]

If you have a look at this, you'll see there are several different ways of translating "to struggle": https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/englisch-deutsch/struggle

[calm kernel]

thank you. Gute Nacht!

[frail lodge]

Can someone here help me translate something?

[hazy lantern]

Yeah I think so what is it?

[long whale]

faq translation

[stoic mauve]

How to ask a question

If you want something corrected, you can put it in a Google Doc and share a link with permission level »can suggest« in #writing .

Don't ask us to translate something for you outright: that takes professional time and effort and we're not here for that. You can try your luck with deepl.com.
For single words, use dict.cc or another dictionary, it'll be quicker.

If you want to know if/how a word can be used, provide some context to help us understand the situation.

Don't ask us to do your homework or exams for you! Show us your best attempt at something and try to pinpoint what exactly you don't understand.

[frail lodge]

Oh, I’m not asking for a book translation lol
Just a quote i found in an old book

[long whale]

Yes, well, this is a learning server, see? So, please try yourself, first - or use deepl.

[frail lodge]

I found an old book from the 1940’s and the guy who owned it wrote a quote by some german writer who I couldn’t find any information about

[long whale]

You can still ask for explanations if you don't get why deepl says this, that or the other. ;)

[frail lodge]

Ah

Well

The problem

Its written in cursive

I can’t just type it out

[long whale]

Depending on when you joined, you may have to wait a few mins before being able to post a screenshot, though.

[frail lodge]

If you help me translate it i promise i’ll attempt to learn german

[long whale]

We'll have to see whether I can read it, first.

[hazy lantern]

I can try to help as soon as you can send me what it is

[frail lodge]

Im sending it rn, im on data though so it’s gonna take a minute

[verbal girder]

now see, will deciphering this cursive note help you learn more than otherwise doing exercises your level?

[frail lodge]

Im pretty sure it contains the secrets of the universe
Very obscure quotes written in very old books tend to have that quality

[verbal girder]

then its understandable

[long whale]

I, on the other hand, am pretty sure it's going to be nothing more than "To my dearest Pumpkin, Christmas 19XX"

[frail lodge]

Here it is

[verbal girder]

bro you could've tottally wrote that in deepl, i thought it was a page of the bible

[hazy lantern]

I can't read every word

[long whale]

Wer könnte mehr von mir erwarten? Für jeden bin ich eine Welt! Dem Alten ein Erinnerungsgarten, Der Jugend ein Entdeckungsfeld

[frail lodge]

I can’t read cursive….
The education system has failed me

[long whale]

Walter Robert-tornow

[hazy lantern]

Das könnte in einer Deutsch Analyse vorkommen

[long whale]

Who could expect more of me? I am a World for everyone! For the old, [I am] a garden of memories/memory; for the young/youth a place of discovery@frail lodge

[frail lodge]

Wow, thank you so much. I really appreciate it

Now i wonder what the meaning behind it is, and where its from

[long whale]

So, I didn't read the name right. This is the guy, and now you can copy this stuff into deepl: https://www.wikiwand.com/de/Walter_Robert-tornow

[frail lodge]

I’ll definitely check it out

You’ve been a huge help

[jagged token]

I was just wondering, is there a good english translation for die Betreuer that helps to explain what they are/what they do? 🙂

[long whale]

Have you tried wiktionary?

You'll see it has different meanings, depending on context.

[jagged token]

Thank you! I just looked 🙂 I can use that in the future, too. I saw somewhere, perhaps Duolingo, translate it as Supervisor. Is it also used for Surpervisors, as well as a guardian/carer/nurse?

[long whale]

Not in work-related context, at least not to my knowledge.

Let me amend that: not in companies. Teachers on class trips are "Betreuer", also, people taking care of sports teams (no idea in what sense they'd be "taking care"), and even delegations from abroad have them - but in all of these, I'd say it's more in the context of "nanny-ing".

[jagged token]

Ah that helps a lot thank you so much! I think I'm getting the grasp of its meaning 🙂

[calm kernel]

Derjenige, **der **Pizza isst, nimmt zu.
Jemand, **der **Pizza isst, nimmt zu.
Wer Pizza isst, (der) nimmt zu.
Does that der include also women?

[long whale]

Yup. Generic masculine.

[dusty scaffold]

Hi, I had to write an interview/monologue. Does it look correct?

[long whale]

Looks fine to me.

[dusty scaffold]

Ok, thanks:)

I'm a bit confused if this sentence is correct: Ich habe unter anderem das Kaisermarathon in Söll, den Zugspitz-Extreme-Berglauf und den Zinnen-Alpinlauf gewonnen.

[lilac spade]

der Marathon*, so den in this case

[long whale]

Both der and das work for Marathon. ;)

[lilac spade]

Oh wow

[long whale]

What exactly is it you're confused about? I mean, it looks fine to me, grammar-wise.

[lilac spade]

Duden does not list it, is that a regional thing?

[long whale]

Apparently not: https://www.dwds.de/wb/Marathon

[lilac spade]

it does say "selten"

I've never heard this in austria and they're the ones usually putting das everywhere

interesting, always something new to learn

[long whale]

Switzerland, maybe? Don't they tend to use "das", too, where Standard German prefers a different article?@lilac spade

[lilac spade]

Might be, those swiss are always up to no good

[lone barn]

hallo, ich möchte deutsch lernen, kannst du mir sagen wo ich anfangen soll?

[rare jetty]

faq beginner

[stoic mauve]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[lone barn]

thank you

[calm kernel]

Während die einen eine Sprache am besten kognitiv lernen, indem sie grammatische Strukturen analysieren, bevorzugen andere kreative und kommunikative Lernmethoden.
What is happening at the bold marked part? Is it something that I didnt learn yet or a simple mistake? (I took this sentence directly from a german learning book.)

[long whale]

No mistake, all correct. "die einen" = the ones/some (as opposed to "andere" - or more often: die anderen - others/the others)

[calm kernel]

i see.🫣 thank you

[sleek pulsar]

What's the best/"right" method to use for using German movies as a learning tool? When I was watching Big Hero 6 in German I wrote down some words from it that I didn't understand but now I'm watching the Matrix and it's way more difficult xD

Just want to figure out the best way to learn from it

[undone verge]

there is no one best or correct method. The best method for you is one that finds a balance between learning and sustainability. If stopping the movie to write down new words isn't sustainable (i.e. it annoys you and keeps you from watching in the first place or continuing), then it isn't the best method. If you watch a movie and understand nothing and this frustrates you and/or slows you down, then it isn't the best method. With listening the latter case is a bit tougher to classify, since even when you don't understand something, just hearing people speak german is still passively improving your ability to understand the spoken language.
Overall: pick something with a difficulty level appropriate to your goals (vocab? Maybe some kids shows or something easier) but also something entertaining enough to keep you going

[sleek pulsar]

Yeah that's why I was picking more animated movies with easier/slower dialog

I'll focus for now on easier stuff that I can both listen to relatively easily and also be able to write words down from it

Danke sehr für die Hilfe

[long whale]

You, ehh, do realize there's often the option of adjusting the speed, at least on youtube and netflix?

[sleek pulsar]

Yeah but I wasn't sure how much it would help me learn

But yeah you're right I should try that

[long whale]

Oh, it does! I mean, if you slow it down by more than 0.75, it starts to sound a little weird, but people do speak at different speeds, so, IMO, that's still great. ;)

[sleek pulsar]

I've been using different sites to watch movies and some don't have the speed option so I'll have to figure something out

Like seeing if my library has anything

[calm kernel]

Ein Erdbeben ereignet sich
Ein Erdbeben entsteht
Ein Erdbeben tritt auf

Are these correct?

[long whale]

Yes, but they don't all mean the same thing.

[calm kernel]

Don't they mean "to occur"

[long whale]

I'd expect a geography teacher to explain the reason/s for an earthquake by saying "Ein Erdbeben entsteht (develops?), wenn das Magma im Erdinneren... bla-bla-bla"

[long whale]

For an earthquake, I think I'd mostly use "es gibt" (es hat ein Erdbeben gegeben), "zu etwas kommen" (es ist zu einem Erdbeben gekommen) - or "sich ereignen" (a very good option)

[calm kernel]

i see

[sleek pulsar]

Will there be a point in my learning where I won't really have to translate sentences word by word or chunk by chunk and I'll just sorta process/"get" it when I read/hear it?

[long whale]

Of course. Why wouldn't it?

[sleek pulsar]

Ähm

This sounded smarter in my head xD

[full osprey]

Hallo leute ich brauche französischserveur bitte

[sleek pulsar]

Yeah you're right, it would

Sorry for the silly question lol

[plain umbra]

To add to that: even when you get to that point, you will probably still experience that from time to time, because we don't learn the whole language in one go. So you might effortlessly read a normal text, but you might still struggle again if you come across something you don't know, like a complicated legal text. But I mean, that's the same even in our native language as well, so it's not that surprising.

[sleek pulsar]

yeah that makes sense

thank you 👍

[wispy jetty]

I'm going to Köln this november (yay) so if anyone has any cool places to go I will gladly take them!!

[fervent kernel]

what is Köln?

[dense ice]

City name

Cologne in english i guess

[fervent kernel]

okay

[elfin marlin]

Korrekt.

[dense obsidian]

Chocolate museum!

[bright oasis]

I just started learning German not too long ago through Duolingo, and I was wondering if there were any other free programs I could use alongside duolingo that you guys would recommend

I'm American if that helps

[rare jetty]

Check this out

faq nicos

[stoic mauve]

Nicos

Nicos Weg is a free online program aimed at helping people learn German. It includes video, audio, text, grammar explanations, notes, vocabulary, and exercises. It also includes very useful cultural and bureaucratic information, such as how to open a bank account, while teaching you the relevant grammar and vocabulary.

It’s fairly popular and well-recommended, but keep in mind that you can’t learn a language with only one resource, even if it’s a good one!

You can find the courses here: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/overview/

You can also see various other courses for learners by dw.com here: https://www.dw.com/en/learn-german/s-2469/

[bright oasis]

Thank you so much

[sleek bone]

I waa reading a story from the Grimm Brothers in German and came over the "es trug sich zu" for happen. I wonder if this is an outdated expression or if it could also be used as in "ein Erdbeben trug sich zu"

Can we also say "Es gab ein Erdbeben"

So many options. Sorry for bringing to many questions.

[long whale]

No problem. You can ask as many questions as you like. ;) "sich zutragen" is still used for "to happen", in the sense that you may come across it in a newspaper article/book. However, I wouldn't use it for an earthquake, more for a chain of events (but that may just be me).

[long whale]

That would be one of the most common ways of putting it.

[flint nimbus]

Was empfehlen Sie ihm?
means
What do you advice him?
right?

or suggest to

[long whale]

or recommend [to him]

[fervent kernel]

Gibt es irgendeine entsprechende Phrase auf Deutsch für "now we're talking"

[real oar]

Warum sind alle Sprachkanäle geschlossen?

[dense obsidian]

#getting-started New users will initially be given the @Limited Permissions role which prevents them from joining voice channels and posting media. This will be removed after 15 minutes (longer for young accounts).

[real oar]

ok thanks

[long whale]

Not aware of any appropriate slang expression (there probably are some), but the one I know is "Das ist doch mal ein Wort!"

[normal sluice]

what is the verb for gegenmaßnahme¿

[forest cape]

There is none

[whole portal]

The same as for Maßnahme?

[forest cape]

"Gegenmaßnahmen ergreifen" maybe

[whole portal]

ergreifen

[normal sluice]

:(

[forest cape]

take countermeasures = Gegenmaßnahmen ergreifen

[normal sluice]

i remember there was a word for that take counter measure but i dont remember 😖

[forest cape]

Yeah its "ergreifen"

[normal sluice]

i found it

@whole portal @forest cape its gegensteuern

or am i dead wrong?

[forest cape]

That's like counteract

[whole portal]

So you were looking for a verb with a (in some cases) similar meaning to Gegenmaßnahmen ergreifen

[normal sluice]

:|

[whole portal]

Asking for "the verb for [a substantive]" doesn't really make sense

[warm fiber]

free website to learn german ?

[verbal girder]

Duolingo , Nico's way

[flint nimbus]

Ich muss dringend aufs Klo.
what does dringend do here? Is it part of an idiomatic expression?

[flint nimbus]

https://learngerman.dw.com/en/learn-german/s-9528 A1 is the beginner material. Both the Harry and the Nicos Weg courses are good! There are also many good resources one google search away. Wiktionary is great for looking up words

[gusty silo]

dringend means urgent(ly)

that should help :p

[flint nimbus]

no, it doesn't

i would never ask here without first looking up the dictionary definitions

[shrewd torrent]

It means the speaker really really needs to go

[gusty silo]

🤷 well it just reinforces that you really need to go to the toilet

[flint nimbus]

so i suppose "Ich muss aufs Klo" is the idiomatic expression then

[shrewd torrent]

yeah

[gusty silo]

ye

[flint nimbus]

is there an implied gehen at the end?

[gusty silo]

in a way, yes

[flint nimbus]

could one say the same, but with gehen at the end?

[gusty silo]

after many modal verbs, german can just drop verbs of movement

yes

[flint nimbus]

ok cool, got it! 🙏

[gusty silo]

see also:
„Ich will/möchte nach München“ - "I want [to go] to Munich"
„Ich muss auf die Bank“ - "I have [to go] to the bank"
„Kann ich zu euch?“ - "Can I [come] to you? / Can I join you?"

(while I would say the last one, I can't vouch for how common it is. the others are certainly common)

[long whale]

There's actually a faq for it: >faq omittance of movement verbs ;)@flint nimbus Assuming you're interested ->ping @gusty silo

[gusty silo]

ooh is there 👀

[flint nimbus]

faq omittance of movement verbs

[stoic mauve]

FAQ not found. I found the following similar entry: Omission of movement verbs (1)
Select one of the values in the brackets to directly open the suggested FAQ.

[gusty silo]

faq omission of movement verbs

[stoic mauve]

Omission of movement verbs

When it's obvious that a verb of movement is meant, it is implied:

• ich muss zur Toilette
• ich will nach Deutschland

This happens when there's

1. a preposition of movement, and
2. a modal verb.
   Without any of these two, the sentence is too generic and you can't infer what's happening.

It comes in handy since movement verbs in german are rather specific (you either go on foot, fly, or go with a vehicle, you can't just generically gosomewhere).
So if the target is a country, like nach Deutschland, this helps you get away with not mentioning whether you're going to fly there, drive or go by train, or cross the border on foot: you just say ich muss nach Deutschland, I have [to go] to Germany.

[long whale]

Oops. 😳

[fervent kernel]

in what website can I easily find the noun of a verb (if it exist)? From example, for the verb "messen"

[whole portal]

wdym

like Nouns and Verbs are different word types with different functions

people keep asking for the verb of the noun or noun of the verb but outside of specific cases there is no such thing? Or at least it's a very poor way of expressing what you really want

[thorn zodiac]

When is dran used? I know on and off are usually translated as an/aus but I see dran used (in the case of on) and was wondering when one would use dran vs on?

Example: I'll be on soon // Bald werde ich an sein? (probs wrong)

[fervent kernel]

for example, when I search the word "unterscheiden", then apart from the meaning of that verb, as additional information that it also shows "Untershied" or "Untersheidung"

[forest cape]

"On" in context of "I'll be on soon" is referred to online in this example, isn't it? Then you would also say online in german
You use "An" to say, that something is activated, for example: "The lights are on" / "Das Licht ist an"

And Off / Aus in the same way
You could use "Dran" for example when you are standing in a line and "its your turn" / "Ich bin dran"

[whole portal]

So you're looking for related words with the same stem?

That would be Messung and I guess Maß

Well and Messen as a nominalized form

[fervent kernel]

is there a website that provide such information for a random Verb?

[proven sphinx]

I think DWDS seems to do that?

https://www.dwds.de

When you look at "Wortbildung", you see other related words.

[fervent kernel]

Danke schön. Obwohl es genau was ich suche nicht ist, ist es hilfreich

[fervent kernel]

If I spoke to someone in Deutsch, would they still understand me if I said for example "wie bist du" instead of "wie gehts es dir"

Just curious for when I try to free hand write

[plain umbra]

Well, they might realise that you're translating from English, but otherwise no.

Wie geht's dir?*

Or: Wie geht es dir?

[fervent kernel]

Ah okay, thanks

[fervent kernel]

ich habe nicht genau verstanden, was du meinst. Kommt vielleicht Wiktionary in Betracht?

[narrow pier]

Hello beautiful people of this group. Chatgpts translation of ( I am a man of focus, commitment and sheer f..ing well ) was ( Ich bin ein Mann der Zielstrebigkeit, Hingabe und verdammten Entschlossenheit

But I think its not quite coreect. How would a native say it please?

[forest cape]

That translation is actually quite accurate.
"verdammt" means "damned", but in german it's more often than not used in that context. The words may be not translated 1:1, but it definitely fits the purpose

[flint nimbus]

so i'm getting Etage, Wohnung, Stock, Geschoss - are these used in particular cases, or can they be interchanged? For example could i say Erdetage?

[forest cape]

"Wohnung" is just the translation for apartment
There are several types of "Geschoss", for example "Erdgeschoss" for the (american) 1st floor, Dachgeschoss for the floor beneath the roof or "Kellergeschoss" for the cellar.
"Etage" and "Stock" are as far as i'm concerned the same, "1. Stock" or "1. Etage" being (american) "2nd floor"

[flint nimbus]

idk america, better just give me german standards

so only use geschoss for special kinds of floors?

[forest cape]

Yeah, "Geschoss" is like a specified floor
"Erdgeschoss" being ground level, "Kellergeschoss" is the cellar, "Obergeschoss" (forgot to mention it) is basically every Geschoss above the "Erdgeschoss" (You count them like "Stock", so 1. Obergeschoss = 1. Stock) and "Dachgeschoss" being the floor beneath the roof

And "Stock" is all the "Obergeschoss" and "Kellergeschoss", so 1. Stock = 1. Obergeschoss, etc...

[forest cape]

Just to not get confused about british english

The american second floor is the german 1. Stock, 1. Obergeschoss or 1. Etage

Hope i didn't confuse you

[flint nimbus]

again, no need to compare with american

i'm not from america

[forest cape]

So you go ground floor, then 1. floor etc.?

[flint nimbus]

for me, i'll be good just hearing what the german is 😄 but no, it's not confusing don't worry! i see what you mean, erdgeschoosen is the entry level floor

[forest cape]

Yes

[proven sphinx]

It's "Erdgeschoss", but yes.

[granite spade]

Ich habe dort gelesen, dass ihr euch gerne für den nächsten Band Rezensionen anbieten lassen wollt. Is this syntax correct?

Or is the phrasing with wollen awkward?

[slate salmon]

Hello, I just wanted to ask what this question means. I don't really get it. "Welchen Bevölkerungsschichten sagt er den Kampf an?" AGAINST who is he fighting for or FOR who is he calling to fight? Which one?

[forest cape]

Which population class is he declaring war on?

[slate salmon]

Thank you:)

[forest cape]

No problem

[slate salmon]

If I say "Er sagt zu den Fürsten den Kampf an." is that alright?

[forest cape]

Leave out the "zu", then it's correct

[slate salmon]

Thank you again!:)

[kind ocean]

guys is Einstieg a synonym of Einführung? Specifically, does Texteinstieg mean "text introduction" or "text entry"?

[autumn marsh]

not quite, Einführung means introduction and Einstieg is more like opener

in a text, your opener will be maybe one to three sentences, while the introduction usually will be longer

[kind ocean]

ah I see. Danke!

[sick lark]

help i have a reading quiz in german class tommarrow and i am not great at is, is there like a website or like a study guide that ppl use or something because im rly failing

[dusty dawn]

Is the German idiom of a kid falling into a well more about hindsight or just not crying over spilled milk
"Ein Kind ist in dem Brunnen gefallen"

[dense obsidian]

the latter

It's used when you cannot change what has happened and you have to make the best out of it.

[honest storm]

how do you say ' you smell like dog' in german

[autumn marsh]

du riechst wir ein Hund

[wise pendant]

*wie
@honest storm

[fervent kernel]

Kann man "nach" benutzen, statt "wie" zu benutzen?

du riechst nach einem Hund

[autumn marsh]

"Du riechst nach Hund" works, but that is more like: "you smell like you had contact with a dog"

leaving out the article is mandatory if you want to say that

would be more commonly used in cases like:

"Du riechst nach Zigarette/Rauch"
"Du riechst nach Bier"

this also makes it more clear why it's not the same thing, because a human doesn't smell like a cigarette, they smell like they had contact with / used / smoked a cigarette

[narrow pier]

Vielen Dank

[fervent kernel]

for example, when I search the word "unterscheiden", then apart from the meaning of that verb, as additional information that it also shows "Untershied" or "Untersheidung

[iron hound]

How do you differentiate between "I would like to eat Italian food" and, "I would like Italian food"?

[whole portal]

You leave out essen?

[iron hound]

Italienisch mean "Italian food"?

My bad I thought It just meant Italian

[whole portal]

It's used as an adverb

So you would have to add a noun, yes

[hushed dawn]

Mitbürger vs Bürger , gibt es einen unterschied ?

[whole portal]

Na ja Mitbürger kannst du nur als Bürger des gleichen Staates sagen.

[hushed dawn]

Ach so , Okay

kann "Laut" als "according to" übersetzt ?

[whole portal]

Ja

Well

laut

not Laut

[hushed dawn]

ok

[sick lark]

how long is the summer exchange for 10th graders>

[sleek pulsar]

How can I say this better? I was trying to say in response to a question, "I think that it's because it's late"

"Ich denke, dass es wegen es spät ist"

But what I came up with sounds really clunky and not right xD

[rugged hazel]

Ich denke, dass es deshalb so ist, weil es spät ist.
Ich denke, es ist so, weil es spät ist.
Ich denke, es liegt daran, dass es spät ist.
Ich denke, der Grund (dafür) ist, dass es spät ist.

[sleek pulsar]

Danke sehr!

[stray basin]

what does gewesen mean in this?

[proven sphinx]

It's more that the translation isn't all that accurate. It should have been "Her injury seems to have been pretty bad". So "gewesen" would be "been" here. It's the past participle of "sein".

[stray basin]

and sein is also written in present tense?

[proven sphinx]

"sein" is the infinitive, like "to be".

[stray basin]

so would it literally be

to have been to be

[proven sphinx]

Oh, now I see what you mean.

[stray basin]

yeah

I think that's a german thing I have to get use to I guess

[proven sphinx]

It's just how you phrase it in German. It's hard to explain.

[stray basin]

it's like saying "it was bad, and still is being bad"

in one phrase

[proven sphinx]

You just have to get used to things not always being able to be translated word-for-word from English.

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, kind of.

It's just how that structure works. Another example would be: "Er scheint mich gesehen zu haben", meaning "He seems to have seen me".

You just can't say something like "Er scheint zu haben gesehen mich" or anything like that. It doesn't work like that in German.

[stray basin]

oK. I'm still having problems with dir and dich (and all the other forms)

I feel like sometimes it isn't obvious that dative is being used

idk

I'd need an example sentence but I don't have any right now 😔

[proven sphinx]

Ahhhh, wait. I think I get what's confusing you now.

In German, verbs can take either "sein" or "haben" in the Perfekt, unlike in English.

It's "gewesen sein" because "sein" is the verb you need to use here.

So it's "Ich habe gesehen" but "Ich bin gewesen". That's also why it's "Er scheint mich gesehen zu haben" but "Ihre Verletzung scheint ziemlich schlimm gewesen zu sein".

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, that's just a matter of you learning what verbs or prepositions use what case.

"sehen" always takes the accusative, but "helfen" always takes the dative, for example.

[stray basin]

Idk what "Ik ben gewesen" means

[proven sphinx]

I have been

Literally.

[stray basin]

[proven sphinx]

But as I said above, some verbs take "sein" in German.

Hence, it's always "Ich bin gewesen", and never "Ich habe gewesen".

[stray basin]

so gewesen is a verb then

[proven sphinx]

Yes, it's the past participle of "sein", just as "been" is the past participle of "to be".

gewesen = been

[stray basin]

that seems kind of Asian language-esque

[proven sphinx]

It's very close to how it is in English. Trust me, I'm a linguist, and some languages can get much weirder than that. German is at least in the same language family as English.

[stray basin]

bru being a linguist sounds cool

do you make a lot of money doing that 🤨

[proven sphinx]

You can form the past participle with either "to be" or "to have" in French and Italian as well. It's not exclusive to German.

Not right now. 😅

[stray basin]

heck

[proven sphinx]

Luckily for you, only a few verbs take "sein". 95% of verbs take "haben", I'd say.

[stray basin]

epic

[proven sphinx]

The few verbs that do take "sein" as an auxiliary verb have to do with movement or a change of state.

Ich bin gelaufen (I have run)
Ich bin gestorben (I have died)
Ich bin gewesen (I have been)

[stray basin]

I think it's better like

I have ran
I am dead
no translation

but I am wronk

at least when I read those, that's my quickest interpretation

would the second not be ich habe gestorben ?

[proven sphinx]

Nope, it's not, unfortunately.

You just need to get used to how German works. It's not English. Things just work differently sometimes. 😅

[stray basin]

so "I have died" is more literally "Ich bin gestorben"?

[proven sphinx]

"I have died" translates to "Ich bin gestorben" in German, yes.

[stray basin]

how would you translate "I am dead"

or is it the same...

[proven sphinx]

Ich bin tot

[stray basin]

bruh

hmmmmmmm

[proven sphinx]

You don't say "I am died" in English, either.

[stray basin]

mk

gestorben is died

[proven sphinx]

Yes.

[stray basin]

tot is deAd

[proven sphinx]

Exactly.

[stray basin]

weird

oh wait I see

Perfect Preterite

right?

I overlooked that

@proven sphinx k thanks raven, I think I'm fluent now

[steel patrol]

Which is the preferable/more common way of writing "nightmare" - with a B or a P? DWDS suggests it as "Alptraum", but lists the alternative option as an Alternative Schreibung, and for Duden it's the other way around. I'm gonna take a guess that it depends on the region, no?

[undone verge]

I feel like I see it more often with 'p', for reference have lived in Hessen and Bremen. I think both are equally correct, though.

[steel patrol]

I originally learnt it as being spelled with a B, but that's fine, I can accept the other version too. Thanks for your input!

[plain umbra]

According to Wiktionary, Alptraum was the original standard spelling, but since the 1996 reform, both are now correct. For Alptraum it specifically says "Standard spelling until 1996; still correct, but disfavoured by Duden and now less common."

[steel patrol]

Dang it, there are so many different resources to check 😆 I honestly just tend to forget about Wiktionary. But thank you for clarifying.

[plain umbra]

It's usually my go-to for stuff like this, because it always has the cool, niche comments. 😎

[hushed dawn]

Ist Sprachmittler gleich wie übersetzter ?

[hushed dawn]

velleicht lag es daran, dass ....
Könnte jemand erklärt das satz ? was genau bedeutet liegen an oder lag daran ?

[low bronze]

hallo ich kann irgeniwe nirgendswo rein

selam von hasab

[steel patrol]

Maybe it was to do with / maybe it was because ...

[steep garnet]

&

[earnest arch]

https://youtube.com/shorts/RYg8Pi0TGMU?feature=share

[hushed dawn]

Sehr nützlich, danke

gespannt sein ist synonyme wie neugierig sein ?

[earnest arch]

nein. "to be excited"

[proven sphinx]

I know other people have already answered you, but here you have the raw data from Google Ngram, which compiles a huge list of books and articles. Apparently, "Albtraum" instantly became hugely popular after the 1996 spelling reform, to the point that it's now the dominant spelling by far.

And if you're wondering why neither occurs before 1835, it's probably because "Nachtmahr" (cognate with "nightmare" in English) was the original term, but now that word has become outdated.

[steel patrol]

Ohh Google Ngram is another really good tool! I think I'll have to start using it a lot more often, thanks for the reminder.

[proven sphinx]

It works well for single words at least, though not quite as well for entire phrases.

You can also just use Google itself, but those results are not quite as reliable.

[steel patrol]

Yes, "Nachtmarh" sounds way too strangely English (even though it was, of course, originally German), but still :D

[proven sphinx]

Well, English and German are closely related, after all.

[steel patrol]

That's what I ususally do.

[proven sphinx]

Many words like "finger", "arm", "house", "mouse", "louse", "man", "hand" etc. are almost the same.

The grammar is very different, though.

English underwent a pretty different development due to being isolated on an island since around the 5th century, as well as gaining a massive amount of French and Latin influence in the Middle Ages, and some Old Norse influence a bit earlier. If it weren't for those factors though, English might have been a lot closer to German today.

[steel patrol]

I wish it were.

[edgy thicket]

Das tut deiner Haut nicht gut. << nobody actually says it like this right?

[valid knoll]

You could say it like that.

But e.g. when it is something that is bad for your skin you could be like:

"Das ist schlecht für deine Haut / Das tut deiner Haut nicht gut"

[rugged hazel]

That sentence is perfectly fine 👍

[whole portal]

Why not? 🤔

[hushed dawn]

mal ist sie hier, mal ist sie da.

mal hier bedeutet "sometimes" ?

[gusty silo]

ja, mal bedeutet hier »sometimes«, richtig

[hushed dawn]

"Man muss jedes einzelne Wort übersetzen". Warum gibt es kein "s" endung in einzelne seit es Neutrum ist?

[whole portal]

Hat glaube ich irgendwas mit dem Zahlwort zu tun

Und since blind mit "seit" zu übersetzen klappt nicht.

Das angemessenere Wort hier wäre aber eh "obwohl".

[opal narwhal]

Es ist einfach die Adjektiv-Deklination. Nach "jeder/-e/-es" ist es die sogennnte schwache Deklination.

[rugged hazel]

Good question
"jedes" belongs to a group of words that each has its own rules for when it uses strong, weak, or mixed adjective declension, also depending on which word comes before it: A lot of exceptions to the rules.
Adjectives after "jeder" have weak inflection.

[opal narwhal]

But it isn't an indefinite pronoun, here.

[rugged hazel]

Not?

[opal narwhal]

Sorry, it is. I thought you meant indefinite article.

[rugged hazel]

I probably remembered it wrong, sorry. But you can't always say that they take weak, because it's not always true. It's very messy rules.

[opal narwhal]

https://deutschlernerblog.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Adjektivdeklination_alle_Deklinationstypen_in_einer_Tabelle.png

Mit "jeder/-e/-es" funktioniert es wie mit "der/die/das".

[opal narwhal]

I said it's the weak declension with "jeder/-e/-es", not always

[rugged hazel]

ok

[hushed dawn]

Vielen Dank alle

[vagrant drum]

Ich habe eine Frage zu einem anderen Thema...

[formal lava]

sag mal

[vagrant drum]

Ich lese "Der Kleine Prinz"
Seite 1 «Ich legte mein Meisterwerk den großen Leuten vor und fragte sie, ob ihnen die Zeichnung nicht Angst mache.»

Warum "mache" und nicht "macht" ?

[formal lava]

Ich denke, es hat etwas mit Imperativ mit zu tun

[vagrant drum]

Oh... Prasens...

[formal lava]

konjunktiv geht auch in dieser Situation

[vagrant drum]

Ich habe es gefunden

Ja, Konjunktiv I Vielen Dank!

[formal lava]

gerne geschehen

[rugged hazel]

Reason is indirect speech 👍

[serene sandal]

"Morgen möchte ich geme mit meinen Eltern an den See fahren."

What does geme mean?

[whole portal]

lmao

I love it when this happens

it's the single most stupid thing about our letter system

rn looks like m

[gusty silo]

^ yeah this ought to be gerne :p

[serene sandal]

Lol thanks

[hushed dawn]

Ich wende mich an jemand?

sich wenden an bedeutet erreichen für Hilfe oder einfach jemand zu sprechen ?

[gusty silo]

ja genau, das ist eine sehr häufige Bedeutung

[whole portal]

jemanden?

[rugged hazel]

both ok

[whole portal]

Didn't know jemand was accepted as short for jemanden

[rugged hazel]

Not as short, as alternative form

[whole portal]

🤔

Sounds clunky to me

[rugged hazel]

The fun of inflecting indefinite pronouns 👍

[whole portal]

I was very confused about thailand there for a second

[rugged hazel]

Hahaha

th.. umbs up and th... ailand

[winter zinc]

Hallo, was ist der Unterschied zwischen "die Agentur" und "die Vermittlung"?

[whole portal]

🤔

They mean two pretty different things?

Have you tried putting them into a translator?

[opal narwhal]

Du warst sicher auf Duolingo, nicht wahr?

[winter zinc]

Nein, von Anki

[opal narwhal]

Oh, OK. Ich habe "Vermittlung" im Sinne von "Agentur" auf Duolingo gesehen und war auch erstaunt, deshalb dachte ich.

[warped latch]

hey guys im kinda confused about the cases

in the nominativ case, with a man it's ein and der

but why is it:
wo wohnt dieser Mann?

and not dies Mann?

why do they add a er, because in for example, wo wohnt dein Mann, there is no er added

[long whale]

"dies-" takes on the ending of the def. article: der Mann, dieser Mann

[ashen violet]

Hallo wie geht's euch ? Worüber spricht momentan?

[warped latch]

so there are ones that basically always needed smt to be added, alright th x

[warped latch]

der Freund meines Vaterxs
das Auto meines Mannes

hey guys is there any way in how to distinguish if you have to add en e in the genetive case where i did the marks

[flint nimbus]

is des Weins or des Weines preferrable in high german? Is there any way to think about this distinction in a way that matters?

[long whale]

https://deutsch.lingolia.com/en/grammar/nouns-and-articles/declension/genitive

[long whale]

Purely personal opinion: with monosyllabic nouns, adding an -e- just... looks nicer. ;)

[hushed dawn]

Plätzchen und Kekse , was ist der unterschied ?

[opal narwhal]

https://praxistipps.focus.de/unterschied-von-plaetzchen-und-keksen-einfach-erklaert_152027

[pine mirage]

How i say ''Berlin is the capital and it is in the east of germany, it is big and interesant'' in german properly?

[whole portal]

Have you tried a translator/translating it yourself

[hushed dawn]

Jemand fragte " was machen wir an abend zur essen?" und die andere antwortet " Ich bin für Kartoffelsalat und Würstchen".

Ich fühle mich, der zweite Satz etwas fehlt. Was denken Sie ?

[whole portal]

Nö

[tranquil flower]

Maybe dabei at the end (?) 🤔

[whole portal]

Passt so

[whole portal]

❌ da müsste dort bei statt für stehen

[valid knoll]

Der zweite Satz ist in Ordnung.
Der erste Satz müsste jedoch sein: "Was machen wir am Abend zu Essen?"

[hushed dawn]

Aus.suchen und Aus.wahlen..

sind beide Synonyme aber aussuchen ist förmlicher ?

[valid knoll]

auswählen ist förmlicher

Die Bedeutung ist identisch

[fervent kernel]

Ich muss heute Passfoto von mir bekommen aber weiß nicht, was richtig sein würde, der Person im Geschäft zu sagen. Was soll ich sagen wenn ich da bin? 😄

[undone verge]

ich möchte ein Passbild/Passfoto machen lassen, for example

[fervent kernel]

Danke. Ich hatte kA darüber, was ich sagen sollte

[wise ravine]

Ich befürchte dass keiner von ihnen ein einziges Wort Deutsch spricht.

Es sind Freunde aus Italien.```

warum denn ES sind?

soll es nicht "die sind" (plural)

[whole portal]

Dummy subject, pretty common

And while "Die sind" isn't wrong grammatically, it's rude

So if anything "sie sind".

[rugged hazel]

This is not a dummy subject. @wise ravine Personal pronouns in 3rd person are preferred to refer back to people.
If the word that should refer back to a person in the last sentence is the subject in a sentence that makes a statement ( a sentence like "the sun is hot ), then you can generally use neuter gender for that word.

Zu Hause wohnt mein Vater. Es/Das/Er/Der ist ein guter Lehrer.
Keiner von ihnen spricht Deutsch. Es/Das/Sie/Die sind Freunde aus Italien.

[wise ravine]

sorry yes i mean sie sind not die sind

[wise ravine]

ok ive never heard es or die sind before, only really sie sind (they are)

[wise ravine]

preferred?!! so es is actually the most common

[rugged hazel]

Yes, because that sounds the best for people, like yoshi said. But it would not be grammatically wrong to use the other two 👍

[rugged hazel]

I would say so, I have no source for it, but it sounds best to use a pronoun that matches the gender (and number), not use the neuter one all the time for people, unless their gender is neuter (das Kind, for example), and not use the demonstrative pronoun, because that is considered a bit rude

An exception for this is "das Mädchen", for which female gender is preferred despite it being neuter

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructio_ad_sensum?useskin=vector

[long whale]

@rugged hazel The bit you quoted above, about "mein Vater" - IMO, you couldn't use "es" here, even though I agree es/das is preferred to introduce/define people/things, but you've already done that. Also: ... ein guter Lehrer (just for completeness' sakes) ;)

[rugged hazel]

You can in Standard German, I've looked it up.
It would only be not useable if the father would be right there. But in the example sentences, we're speaking about him, without being infront of him.

Thanks, I used Mutter and Lehrerin before that, whoops.

[hushed dawn]

"" Handeln Sie die Reihenfolge aus. '"

Wie wird aus.handeln hier übersetzt ?

Die Getränke Kalt stellen.

Stellen hier bedeutet "to keep" ?

[rugged hazel]

No, stellen is a verb of movement. You could write it together: Die Getränke kaltstellen. That's because you do the action of "stellen" to the "Getränk" and what results is a change of "Getränk" to having the property "kalt".
That's why you can not do so with e.g. "Motor warm laufen lassen", because nobody does the action "laufen" to the "Motor" to result in it being "warm", so "warmlaufen lassen" is wrong.

Kalt stellen/kaltstellen is "putting the drink in a cooler", more or less

[hushed dawn]

Toll !

[hushed dawn]

Parfum oder Parfüm ?

[gusty silo]

ultimately you can write either, but i write Parfüm and i think it's more common

it probably makes the most sense to write Parfüm if you say /par'fy:m/ and Parfum if you say /par'fœ̃/ (the latter being the french way)

[flint nimbus]

Warum sagt man "Es ist in die Nähe von...", und nicht "in der Nähe"?

[gusty silo]

nee du hast recht, "Es ist in der Nähe von..." ist richtig

[flint nimbus]

🤔 ok, maybe i misunderstood what i read then

[gusty silo]

Etwas ist/liegt/befindet sich/etc. (statisch, keine Aktion mit Richtung!) in der Nähe von X
Ich stelle/lege/fahre/etc. (Aktion mit Richtung!) etwas in die Nähe von X

[west pond]

what is "lernen" considered there?

it can't be a verb obviously because of its position

[crude swan]

It's a verb. German can be difficult.

[paper tangle]

the verb is 'deutsch lernen'

[crude swan]

only 'lernen'

[west pond]

right? so "macht" is the conjugated verb which is at the second position. what is "lernen"? can you just have a verb at position one like that?

[crude swan]

A verb is a think what u can do. U can learn, and u can do. So both are right, my fault.

[west pond]

I don't think you understand my question

I know what a verb is, I am just asking how that can be? how is that gramatically correct to put a verb at position one with the subject, what's the rule here? I know that conjugated verbs go to position 2, and if there are two verbs then the second verbs gets thrown at the end of the clause. so what is the grammatical rule that lets a verb to be at the first position with the subject like that, or maybe it's not even a verb at that point.

[paper tangle]

Deutsch lernen is technically the subject. So the positioning of the verb machen makes sense actually

so you could also say : das Deutsch lernen

[steel patrol]

Which is the better option?

"Ich kann immer noch alles verstehen, was ich höre, aber ..."
or
"Ich kann immer noch alles, was ich höre, verstehen, aber ..."

[fading slate]

first one

is the second one even correct? im not 100% sure if you can put a comma between höre and verstehen

perhaps not

[gusty silo]

in what context?
the first may be syntactically cleaner, but i'd absolutely also say the second one

[gusty silo]

you better be able to (i.e. i am very confident you can), they belong to two different clauses

[fading slate]

mh

[gusty silo]

the two clauses are in isolation
Ich kann immer noch alles verstehen
Ich höre [then some object which is replaced by the relative pronoun 'was']

[fading slate]

ah

i see

but it adds to the confusion, at least when i read it

if no further context then just pick the least confusing one imo

[gusty silo]

yeah

[steel patrol]

Okok

[gusty silo]

you're getting two different judgements in effect 😅

[steel patrol]

The second part would have basically been "... but I now have trouble with speaking/expressing myself in X language."

[gusty silo]

we agree the first is visually clearer, because there are fewer commas and the structure is thus more visible, Miau prefers that, I don't care about that and somewhat prefer the second instead

[steel patrol]

Interesting.

[gusty silo]

the second seems to me like the more proper/organic way to fit the relative clause into it, whereas the first sounds to me like something i'd say in the moment, basically forming the sentence at the same time as i think of the words. but that is just my judgement, both work and the first is visually clearer

[steel patrol]

I thought the first one is simpler too, but I swear I've seen the second type of structure in books so many times (unless ich spinne) -- so I'm still somewhat confused about what the most natural or most elegant way to structure sentences is, when it comes to this sort of thing.

[gusty silo]

i think that on a prescriptive, "judgy", traditional level the second is generally considered more proper (but maybe they're both considered equally proper)

but i know i do say the first type in speech too

[fading slate]

I like it when you can deduct as much information as possible with reading as less as possible
so
"Ich kann immer noch alles verstehen..." - generally implies that something like "was ich höre" comes afterward

whereas
"Ich kann immer noch alles, was ich höre...." i keep asking myself if "verstehen" oder "nicht verstehen" comes next at this point because it's ambiguous

maybe some kind of personal preference idk

[steel patrol]

I can't believe I'm gonna have to go back to A1-level stuff and relearn proper word order again (or at least try to) 😆

[fading slate]

no its not about basic word order

its about nuances and what pleases native speakers more or less, which way of writing is more common or rare

[gusty silo]

yeah this strikes me as a written problem entirely

in speech you can deduce from intonation and rhythm what belongs where

in writing your commas don't actually show you how the various phrases are nested inside each other

[fading slate]

tfw autist 😂

but yeah i agree

[steel patrol]

I know that there are differences between spoken and written German, in terms of how the language is stylistically used, etc. And that it's generally preferable to go for the least confusing way of communication. But strictly speaking of literary texts, do you guys have a preference?

[gusty silo]

i would expect the second in non-informal writing, but i don't know if to the exclusion of the other

[near folio]

Laut Hammer wird es im Normalfall bevorzugt, einen Satz zu beenden, bevor man einen neuen beginnt. Daher wäre die erste Option "besser" (mMn ist es besser) aber es ist im Grunde egal, solange der Satz verständlich ist.

[fading slate]

my only preference is, as long as you don't write horribly nested sentences like adorno then you're golden LOL

[steel patrol]

Ok, I now know what my new few steps should be in order to understand this better and improve my own output. Thank you everyone for your time.

[fading slate]

Was ist Hammer?