questions-2

[flint nimbus]

wait are you sure, german wikipedia just says Slowakei in its name

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slowakei

[flint nimbus]

oh they do the same for die Sweiz

[rugged hazel]

Probably because it is more uniform this way

[flint nimbus]

damnit

[opal narwhal]

In the text, it's written "Die Slowakei..."

[plain umbra]

All feminine, masculine and plural country names use the article. It's only neuter ones that don't.

[flint nimbus]

yes

[rugged hazel]

They generally don't put articles in their title

[flint nimbus]

wait really

[plain umbra]

As far as I know, yes.

[opal narwhal]

The most difficult thing is to know which ones are masculine or feminine 😉

[flint nimbus]

no that isn't a problem

ok awesomse! this is very helpful!

[opal narwhal]

Sometimes, the article is facultative. Example: Iran / der Iran (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran)

[flint nimbus]

what's facultative?

[plain umbra]

I Googled it btw and in a list of countries is says "das Tessin, das Elsass, das Baltikum" as neuter countries that use an article but... I don't think those are countries, right?

[opal narwhal]

not obligatory

[opal narwhal]

They aren't

[plain umbra]

Very weird.

[opal narwhal]

Maybe they mean "countries" not necessarily as "(political) states"

[flint nimbus]

So dann der richtige Satz ist folgande?

Die Hauptstad von der Slowakei heißt Bratislava.

just people trying to invent exceptions where there are none to seem more exhaustive

[opal narwhal]

Hauptstadt 😉 but yes

And even better, but you have to know the genitive: "Die Hauptstadt der Slowakei..."

[flint nimbus]

i've looked a bit at the genetive but i'm working around it mostly for the time being

[plain umbra]

It's fine to wait on it, but if you're feeling pretty comfortable with grammar/cases, it's a fairly easy one.

[flint nimbus]

i wonder when Nicos Weg is going to introduce it

maybe i'll look at it tomorrow!

[rugged hazel]

There's also das Elsass, das Engadin, das Tessin, das Vogtland, das Donaumoos, das Teu-
felsmoor, Only regions, no countries

[tame beacon]

Only country that's neuter and uses an article I could imagine is "das Vereinigte Königreich".

[urban oxide]

[Am/Im/Auf dem] Marktplatz stehen viele alte Häuser.

I think the correct answer should be "Auf dem" here but the answer key says it is "Am"

can someone please explain me the reasoning

[charred harbor]

It's to do with the position of the houses

"Auf dem Marktplatz" implies that the houses are in the middle of the square, which doesn't really make sense because if there are houses all over the middle section then it's not really a Marktplatz

"Am Marktplatz" implies that the houses are around the Marktplatz (as in there's the market in the middle and then houses surrounding it)

[urban oxide]

I see

wouldn't "um" make more sense though?

[charred harbor]

Not really

I'd recommend "am"

[urban oxide]

I see

I have a doubt in one more:

Mein Auto parke ich [an/in/auf der] Hauptstraße

I marked "auf der" first but the answer key said it is "an"

[long whale]

It's possible, but rather uncommon. I'd advise you not to go looking for "sense" in the use of prepositions, though. ;)

[long whale]

Yes. If you say "auf", it means you parked it actually in the street, i.e. blocking traffic.

[urban oxide]

ohhh

I see

like parking a bit to the side

hence "an"

Thank you @charred harbor and @long whale

[fervent kernel]

are "etwa" and "etwas" related, or they are just different words?

[long whale]

Etymologically, they're related, yes. It seems the et- was used to refer to something unspecific, a bit like the English "any-", I imagine.

https://www.dwds.de/wb/etwa

[fervent kernel]

is it okay to understand their differences like this?: "(in) etwa" is like "approximately" and "etwas" means "a little" or "some"

[long whale]

More or less, yes. "etwas" can also simply mean "something": Etwas stimmt da nicht - There's something wrong there.

"etwa" can also be used as "for instance, for example"

[fervent kernel]

like, zum Beispiel?

[loud scaffold]

Im Erlkönig schreibt Goethe in der zweiten Strophe:

Mein Sohn, was birgst du so bang dein Gesicht?

was in Edgar Alfred Bowrings Übersetzung (auf Englisch) lautet:

My son, wherefore seek'st thou thy face thus to hide?

Kann jemand diese Zeile grammatikalisch Wort für Wort analysieren? Und was genau ist mit dem Verb birgst gemeint?

[opal narwhal]

Das Verb "bergen" bedeutet hier "verstecken".

[delicate tiger]

(siehe "verbergen")

[opal narwhal]

Sonst für die Analyse:
Mein Sohn: Nominativ - es ist eine Anrede (er spricht ihn an)
was: in diesem Kontext im Sinne von "warum"
birgst: Verb im Präsens, 2. Person Singular (siehe Erklärung weiter oben)
du: Nominativ - Subjekt von "birgst"
so: Adverb (ergänzt "bang")
bang: Adverb (Adjektiv als Adverb verwendet)
dein Gesicht: Akkusativ - Objekt von "birgst"
Das ist meine eigene Analyse. Ich weiss nicht, ob du das wolltest (oder etwas anderes?), aber ich hoffe, dass es dir helfen kann...

[loud scaffold]

Vielen Dank!

[fervent kernel]

" Ich bin vor einer Woche zurückgekommen" oder " Ich bin seit einer Woche zurückgekommen"?

[proven sphinx]

More the former. The latter would be better as "Ich bin seit einer Woche zurück".

[fervent kernel]

interessant, ich gebe dich einen Dank

[rugged hazel]

"Mein Sohn" - Er nutzt eine satzwertige Nominalphrase außerhalb des voll aufgebauten Satzes zur Anrede. Das nennt man Anredenominativ. "Mein Sohn" wiederum ist eine enge Apposition.
"was birgst du so bang dein Gesicht?" - "Was" als Interrogativpronomen leitet einen Fragesatz ein, der aber ungewöhnlich für heute mit "was", nicht "warum" nach dem Grund fragt. Heute ist diese Nutzung umgangssprachlich

[loud scaffold]

Danke!

[limber ibex]

i made sure it doesnt show anything bad this time

only at the starting

cause at the end there is subtitles

[vagrant canopy]

the subtitles are accurate to it

or do you want to know the beginning of it?

[rugged hazel]

Sounds like

... Befehl!
... der Angriff ... meinen Befehl!
Not sure... Sounds like snippets mashed together

[limber ibex]

yea

[limber ibex]

damn

[rugged hazel]

"Der Angriff steigert meinen Befehl" is what I keep hearing, makes no sense

[limber ibex]

wait is it even german

I was assuming it was

[rugged hazel]

Yes

[limber ibex]

does it translate to anything tho

[whole portal]

Der Angriff STEINERS war ein Befehl

[rugged hazel]

Danke! Also ein Name den ich nicht kannte

[whole portal]

This is a central quote of the movie

[limber ibex]

what does it translate too

[whole portal]

Steiner was a general

He was supposed to carry out some attack that was supposed to save everything

which was purely delusional and a result of hitlers last resorts

and Steiner did not go through with it

[limber ibex]

oh yo

can I send u another one which has another quote but I cant post it in this server or il get banned

can I send it in dms

@whole portal

[rugged hazel]

What movie is that?

[whole portal]

this is the source of the very central scene in the movie that I'm sure you'll already have seen in videos using the downfall as a source (lots of yt poops for example)

[limber ibex]

downfall i think

[limber ibex]

lol

[whole portal]

go ahead

[limber ibex]

ok

[whole portal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/ake4uv/the_führers_rant_from_der_untergangthe_downfall/

read the whole thing, hitler basically goes through the 5 stages of grief in a minute (well he skips some of it)

[rugged hazel]

Someone deleted it

[rugged hazel]

Thanks

[limber ibex]

why this one had no symbol

[plain umbra]

War content counts as inappropriate content.

[limber ibex]

i made sure of it

ok

i sent in dms @whole portal

[rugged hazel]

"Geschmeiß", auch noch nie gehört 😮

[whole portal]

this made me chuckle way too hard

[rugged hazel]

Watch out don't get banned

[flint nimbus]

Ruf den Krankenwagen
Why not Ruf den Krankenwagen an? I would expect we're not shouting for the ambulance, right?

[long whale]

Well... you can't really dial the number of an ambulance car, can you? But really, we just say "Ruf... (no -an)" when it's an emergency: Ruf die Polizei! Rufen Sie die Polizei! (same for "die Feuerwehr" and "der/den Notarzt").

[flint nimbus]

ok i see

thanks

do you think it's possible this happens just so the sentence gets shorter without extra stuff?

[long whale]

Might be, yes. Or maybe it's just... usage, you know.

[vital pivot]

heya, i was messing around in DeepL (supposedly a good translator) trying to construct some sentences; could someone explain to me why does morgen appear right next to werde in this example?

a bit counter intuitive to have it in the beginning of the phrase

[long whale]

Because time needs to be mentioned early on in a German sentence. It usually appears in either Pos. 1 or 3 (depending on where the subject is).

[vital pivot]

oh wow interesting

[long whale]

The rule of thumb is TeKaMoLo (time, reason, manner, place)

[vital pivot]

nice way to remember it, thanks

[urban oxide]

Meine Mutter hat mir mehr Taschengeld gegeben, ___ sie es nicht wollte [weil/obwohl]

Welches passt hier besser? Ich glaube dass "weil" passt hier besser weil das "es" für das "Taschengeld" steht, aber es ist auch möglich, dass es für das Aktion, "Taschengeld zu geben" steht, in welchem Fall, "obwohl" passt besser.

wenn man Letzteres sagen will, wäre es besser "[...] obwohl sie dagegen war" zu sagen, oder?

[delicate tiger]

Es gibt hier einen Gegensatz (mehr Taschengeld geben/nicht wollen) -> obwohl

[pastel shore]

in "auf der richtigen Seite" , why does richtig gets the -en declension ?

[opal narwhal]

because it is in the dative case

[pastel shore]

dativ richtigen is for the Plural

[opal narwhal]

not only

[pastel shore]

depending on the article ?

[opal narwhal]

https://deutschlernerblog.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Adjektivdeklination_alle_Deklinationstypen_in_einer_Tabelle.png

[fervent kernel]

Ein Chirurg besitzt Sozialität und bezieht eine soziale Logik in seine Entscheidungen mit ein.
Ich bin verwirrt: wäre es nicht "... mit einem." ?

[ornate river]

sein/e order ihr/e for this sentence die jeans von stefan
?

[gusty silo]

well who possesses what

Stefan the jeans or the jeans Stefan?

[ornate river]

uh i think jeans of stefan

stefan possess the jeans

[gusty silo]

right, once you know that, you use the 'stem' (sein- or ihr-) according to the possessor (Stefan), and the 'ending' according to the possessed(die Jeans)

[ornate river]

so it should be seine?

[gusty silo]

✅

[ornate river]

ayo

certified german topper i declare myself as

[ornate river]

what about this one "der rock von maria"?

i think it should be ihr

[gusty silo]

yes exactly! ✅

[ornate river]

thks so much'

actually i have my german finals coming up in 3 days

[gusty silo]

good luck! :D

[ornate river]

danke

also can u tell me the exact difference between finden und suchen

[opal narwhal]

finden: to find / suchen: to search

[ornate river]

uh search and find are synonyms btw

i see no difference

[opal narwhal]

No, they aren't

First, you search. The, eventually, you find! 😉

[ornate river]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/find

thks btw

check this website

it says search and find are synonyms

its in the list

[opal narwhal]

Thanks, but in that type of dictionary, they give a huge list of words than can be synonyms in some context... But strictly, they aren't...

[ornate river]

so if i say that i cant find my anorak i will say "ich finde meinen anorak nicht"?

[opal narwhal]

Yes (but "Anorak" with a capital "A")

[ornate river]

ok

[ornate river]

btw the name of our shool work book is arbeitsbuch that somewhat matches your name?

[opal narwhal]

What do you mean?

[ornate river]

ur name arbiter?

[opal narwhal]

Oh, no

"arbiter" is "referee" in Latin 😉

[ornate river]

also what about this sentence ich kann meine schuhe nicht finde

[fervent kernel]

The best explanation I've ever seen xD

[ornate river]

@opal narwhal

[opal narwhal]

This sentence is not complete...

[ornate river]

check it now

[opal narwhal]

finden (infinitive)

[fervent kernel]

If anyone explains me this sentence I'd be thankful :')

[gusty silo]

mit ein is in a sense a detached part of the verb

[ornate river]

but in my notebook it is written finde is konjuated with ich

its like ich-finde

[opal narwhal]

Yes, but in this sentence, you have "kann" => ich kann

So the other verb has to be in the infinitive

[gusty silo]

it's the verbal prefix 'ein-' not the number one 'ein'
so the verb is 'miteinbeziehen'

[ornate river]

so in a sentence like this i am supposed to use the verb without konjuating it

?

[opal narwhal]

Yes, because you already have a conjugated verb: ich kann

[ornate river]

thks

i am pretty sure yall have helped me solve doubt which could have led me into losing about 20 marks easily

[opal narwhal]

Happy to help 🙂

[ornate river]

bro @opal narwhal and @gusty silo are honestly legends at this pint

[opal narwhal]

Thanks 😊

[ornate river]

welcome

[ornate river]

one more thing can u quickly unscramble this sentence "wir-fahren-paris-im-nach-juli"

[undone verge]

you should give it a try first

[ornate river]

i did

[opal narwhal]

So what would you write?

[ornate river]

i think farhe ich nach paris im juli?

[opal narwhal]

Do you have to write a question?

[ornate river]

no i had to unscramble the sentence

[opal narwhal]

Or just a "normal" sentence?

[ornate river]

like this was scrambled

[opal narwhal]

OK, then: wir fahren im Juli nach Paris

[ornate river]

and what about my answer?

[gusty silo]

why did you write wir fahren and unscramble it to ich fahre, iruka?

[ornate river]

will that work?

[fervent kernel]

Wäre "... mitein." richtig?

[gusty silo]

your answer is a question

[ornate river]

i wrote "fahre ich nach paris im juli"

[gusty silo]

not gonna lie: i do not know. i think not? i would definitely write "mit ein" with a space

[gusty silo]

yes but your initial message has 'wir-fahren'

[snow herald]

Which sentence is correct: Nein, du hast nicht -oder- Nein, hast du nicht.

[ornate river]

that was the unscrambled form

[gusty silo]

🤔

[undone verge]

the second one sounds more natural, since the first one is missing the implied 'das'

[ornate river]

@gusty silo is my answer correct?

[gusty silo]

it is a question. by virtue of the word order, you've made it a question

[ornate river]

u sayin that to me or @snow herald

[gusty silo]

and to reiterate:
if the task says "wir-fahren-paris-im-nach-juli" and you're supposed to unscramble it, why would you switch "wir fahren" to "ich fahre"?
that's the wrong form then. it asked about "we" not "i"

[gusty silo]

you

[opal narwhal]

It's correct: https://www.dwds.de/wb/miteinbeziehen

[gusty silo]

what part is correct?

[ornate river]

then what is the correct answer?

[undone verge]

you are correct, there is a space when the 'mit ein' gets separated from beziehen

[gusty silo]

if nothing else is given, the intuitive unscrambling of that series of words is "Wir fahren im Juli nach Paris"

[gusty silo]

ah

[hollow thistle]

Wtf dies mit ein mean

[ornate river]

what about this answer"wir farhen nach paris im juli"

[gusty silo]

in this context, as the prefixes of a verb, it'd literally be "with in-"

[hollow thistle]

Wait what was the whole sentence

[opal narwhal]

The verb is "miteinbeziehen"

[hollow thistle]

Ohhhh

I lacked context srry

[gusty silo]

this definitely does occur colloquially, but it's not normal in writing in my experience.

or there is special focus

[ornate river]

so will i get marks if i write this?

[hollow thistle]

What’s the difference between einbeziehen und miteinbeziehen

[undone verge]

if I'm not mistaken, miteinbeziehen is quite similar, but can carry an additional emphasis on the fact of being included with the other things being included

[gusty silo]

if there is context like
"Wann fahren wir nach Paris?"
you could respond with "Wir fahren nach Paris im Juli". or with "Im Juli fahren wir nach Paris". or with the most normal order, "Wir fahren im Juli nach Paris"
without such context and without the intention to stress particularly im Juli, i think you would get marks

[opal narwhal]

There is a "trick" to know the "normal" order of those: tekamolo (temporal-kausal-modal-lokal)

[gusty silo]

<@&305455824174710787>

[hollow thistle]

So like maybe: to include together with?..

[gusty silo]

Schleich dich ma, Ker

so'n Mist hat hier nichts verloren

[undone verge]

it's practically identical with 'include'

[hollow thistle]

Okay I think I get the subtle connotation difference thank you

[gusty silo]

yup. potentially also if you only had just 'einbeziehen' with an inanimate object it could also sound a bit odd i think

[hollow thistle]

So einbeziehen is more common with people?

[undone verge]

does it also go the other way? As in: does it sound odd to speak of including a person with 'miteinbeziehen'?

[hollow thistle]

Ohhh so it’s like he wants to feel included vs all these items are included in the list (with the other items)

[long whale]

No, that's fine.

[gusty silo]

i feel like it is? it's probably not wrong with inanimate objects, but my feeling is that einbeziehen tends towards 'include (people in a process of work or whatever)'

[ornate river]

what about this "winter-im-schneit-es" my answer for this is "im winter es scheit"

[undone verge]

the verb in a normal sentence has to be in the 2nd position

[gusty silo]

yeah i'd agree that miteinbeziehen doesn't have any particular tendency there

[undone verge]

so if we consider the sentence consisting of three parts (im Winter) (es) (schneit)

[ornate river]

es scheit im winter?

wb this

[gusty silo]

mind your spelling as well :P
schneit = (he/she/it) snows
Scheit = block of firewood

[undone verge]

yes, but it is schneit not scheit 👍
Im Winter schneit es <- also good

[ornate river]

okay

thks

[hollow thistle]

Er möchte sich einbezogen fühlen.
Bitte beziehe alle diese Lebensmittel mit ein?

[ornate river]

here comes another one "sommer-ich-im-ans-meer-fahre" my answer for this one is "fahre ich ans meer im sommer"

[gusty silo]

Bitte beziehe alle diese Lebensmittel mit ein.

[hollow thistle]

Yes whoops thank you

But is that a good example of the connotation difference?

[gusty silo]

i suppose so, mhm

[hollow thistle]

Okay

[hollow thistle]

Ich fahre im Sommer ans Meer.

[gusty silo]

again you have used the word order for a question

[undone verge]

verb in second position

[hollow thistle]

Also i realised smth, when talking about where you’re going, an is always used when you’re going somewhere with water, and that feels like the only time I use it

Like

An den Strand

Ans Meer

[undone verge]

for your exercises , you can follow a pretty set pattern. There's room for creativity in the german word order and a lot more intricacies, but you can't steer too wrong with this with a simple sentence:
subject->verb->object->time->manner->place.

[hollow thistle]

An den Fluss

[gusty silo]

huh interesting observation

[hollow thistle]

I just learnt it off by heart but I guess that makes sense

like cus ur not going in the water

[ornate river]

so is it "ich fahre im sommer ans meer" or "fahre ich ans meer im sommer"

[undone verge]

the first is perfect

Sommer and Meer (nouns capitalised)

[gusty silo]

yeah exactly
(or if you do go in the water, you've still gone to the shore/bank first)

[undone verge]

but grammatically top

[hollow thistle]

yee

[ornate river]

yeah my teacher cut .5 marks whenever she find lower case nouns

[undone verge]

it is the rule 🙂 when the sentences get complicated, you'll be thankful they are

[hollow thistle]

Yeah like it’s particularly important when you’re capitalising verbs

[gusty silo]

i'm sure our english teacher also cut points when we didn't capitalise something that needs to be capitalised in english

[hollow thistle]

Like the i in I‘m?

Hehe

Ik it’s just cus ur typing

[gusty silo]

chapeau.

[ornate river]

i am good in english i scored 95.71 percent last paper

[hollow thistle]

Eh?

[gusty silo]

i was thinking of stuff like months and "proper" adjectives for what it's worth :P
of course i'd capitalise I if i weren't writing on discord

[gusty silo]

well played, you have turned my words against me :p

[hollow thistle]

Trust me I know. Your English is absolutely flawless you sound like a native speaker most of the time

[ornate river]

so the last one fore tday cuz i am takin a break after this so the sentence is "englisch lernen-will-und-ich-england-nach-fahre" so now my answer is "ich fahre nach england und will englisch lernen"

[gusty silo]

ah thank you

[hollow thistle]

Have you learnt American or British English?

Srry this is a bit off topic now

[gusty silo]

✅ that's correct

[ornate river]

thanks to all of you

[gusty silo]

i aim for british english. that's also what we were taught in school in theory, but not as if there had been much of a focus on british vocabulary, say

[gusty silo]

no problemo

[hollow thistle]

Well most of the vocabulary is the same. I’d say the main difference is the pronunciation and some spellings

Mainly the pronunciation though

although some Americans do hate their adverbs

Do it real slow

Instead of do it really slowly

Haha

Anyway~~ srry very off topic I’ll shut up now

[gusty silo]

oh i mean there is more british and more US-american vocabulary. we were taught british pronunciation (but it didn't matter if we picked up american pronunciation ourselves), but as i remember there wasn't any particular emphasis on saying lorry rather then truck and so on

[hollow thistle]

Right okay

understood

[fervent kernel]

American pronunciation sounds terrible for me

Geschmacksache

[gusty silo]

Joa, kann man sich drüber streiten ne.
Leute klingen erstmal so, wie sie klingen.

Klingen ja auch nicht alle Amerikaner gleich

das Werturteil möcht' ich mir sparen

[undone verge]

throwback to the time I thought my bayrisches Gruppenmitglied was from eastern europe because of their accent and that my german was better than theirs 🤡 real idiot hours

[gusty silo]

autsch, ohoho

biste danach erstmal völlig rot angelaufen oder?

🙈

[undone verge]

zum Glück habe ich meine Annahmen nicht ausgesprochen. Aber ja, ist immer noch peinlich

[snow herald]

Sorry for bothering but I can't figure it out. So the question is: Habe ich dich geweckt? I answered with Nein, du hast nicht and that answer is apparently wrong. Why is the answer Nein, hast du nicht the correct answer to my question? Can someone expalain me that.

[undone verge]

nein, (das) hast du nicht
this is a way of answering the question by referring to the action (dich wecken) with an implicit 'das' without actually saying it.
If you wanted to answer fully, it would also be correct to say: Nein, du hast mich nicht geweckt

but 'Nein, du hast nicht' is wrong.

[old patio]

when i look up words in the dictionary, there is a "zu" in front of many verbs. when is that used when using an infinitive verb and when is it not? or rather, what is the name of this concept so i can research further? (reposting in this channel bc i interrupted in other questions channel lol)

[undone verge]

zu-Satz, um...zu Satz, Infinitiv mit zu

[opal narwhal]

Infinitivsatz

[hollow thistle]

Think of it this way, you’re shortening your answer in English. No you didn’t (wake me up). But in German you can’t say du hast nicht (mich geweckt) because the word order is wrong. But you can say (das) hast du nicht.

[silent merlin]

Is there a commonly used set of gender-neutral personal pronouns in german? i'm having trouble finding any

[lost rampart]

Wdym

[gusty silo]

because there isn't, for any measure of "common" that is actually common

[silent merlin]

ah, okay

[hollow thistle]

Like they/them in English but not for plural

[rugged hazel]

Male pronouns can be used gender-neutrally
A sentence used before eating (with children):

Jeder esse was er kann, nur nicht seinen Nebenmann.

[hollow thistle]

why is subjunctive used here?

It’s not reported speech or implying doubt

[rugged hazel]

Another way to express imperative

I guess

Maybe Verne knows more

[hollow thistle]

You can use subjunctive for imperativ?..

[rugged hazel]

It's an oldfashioned ritual-saying

[hollow thistle]

okay

could I then also say: Jeder hole was er kann bevor wir gehen!!

[rugged hazel]

Yes

I guess

[hollow thistle]

hm strange

[rugged hazel]

Not today anymore

I'm going to look it up give me some tiem

[hollow thistle]

yessir

[rugged hazel]

Or nt

[rugged hazel]

Es lebe der König.
Jeder esse, was er kann.
Seien Sie alle herzlich willkommen.
Man höre und staune.
It's an imperative which is expressed through Subjunctive I
A sort-of-imperative that works for the 3rd person
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jussiv?useskin=vector
https://german.stackexchange.com/questions/18283/bedeutung-von-seien-sie-alle-herzlich-willkommen/18539#18539
It's called Jussiv

[hollow thistle]

How bizarre

But not used anymore right?

[rugged hazel]

Except "Es lebe der König" the examples above are still used

But I guess no new sayings are added

[whole portal]

Not that often tho

[rugged hazel]

Still not extinct

[whole portal]

Never say never

[rugged hazel]

Look at the wikipedia section for it
"Man nehme" and "melde sich" is something you could use everyday

[whole portal]

Okay yeah man nehme is definitely quite common

[hollow thistle]

So like

Man nehme - kind of like one should take

?

[whole portal]

Man nehme zwei Eier und 100 Gramm von Butter, Zucker und Mehl und vermenge diese.

[hollow thistle]

Ohhh tbf we have smth similar in English: Long live the king! But the king lives

Is this what es lebe der König means?

[rugged hazel]

The bank insists that she repay her debt.

[rugged hazel]

Yes

[whole portal]

Mh not exaxtly tho, that's Lang lebe der König.

[hollow thistle]

OHH TRUE we literally have this in English

[rugged hazel]

It's almost as if both languages are related

[hollow thistle]

Okay right no need for the sass

[whole portal]

fake news

[hollow thistle]

I didnt see the connection

[rugged hazel]

You're right

[hollow thistle]

Lmao

[rugged hazel]

Just tried to make a joke

[hollow thistle]

And tbf in English it’s still different

[hollow thistle]

Im Jk too

[hollow thistle]

Isn’t this just normal imperativ?

The seien sie one k mean srry

All be welcomed literally

Ohhh

Seien instead of sind I see

Why is it phrased like a question there

Instead of Sie seien

[rugged hazel]

Imperative can't be used for anything than 2nd person

[hollow thistle]

OH is this they??

I thought we were talking about you formal

Now I really am confused

[rugged hazel]

Oh, you mean seien

[whole portal]

Plural?

[rugged hazel]

It's 3rd person plural "sie"

[rugged hazel]

What?

[hollow thistle]

Im so confused rn lmao

[whole portal]

Flieht, Ihr Narren

[hollow thistle]

Im not intelligent enough for this

[rugged hazel]

Oh Ok

[hollow thistle]

Still second person no?

[hollow thistle]

How do we know it isn’t you formal there

[whole portal]

Yeah I only took 2nd person as singular

[rugged hazel]

From context

"alle"

[whole portal]

Would fliehen wir not be imperativ tho

[rugged hazel]

"Sie alle" to one person is weird

[hollow thistle]

Ik but you formal can also be to multiple people

[rugged hazel]

You're right

[hollow thistle]

Also why is it seien sie and not sie seien like in the other examples

capitalised Sie Srry

Also the Sie is capitalised so it is formal you no?

[whole portal]

I looked it up it's 2nd Singular + all Plural yea

[rugged hazel]

No, it's Indikativ

Except in formal

[hollow thistle]

lasst uns fliehen = imperativ but ig when u phrase it like fliehen wir it’s different

[rugged hazel]

This is also not imperative, but an alternative

[hollow thistle]

lasst is imperativ no?

[whole portal]

lasst uns fliehen is not imperativ

[hollow thistle]

Lasst das!!

[whole portal]

Well not the fliehen tho

[hollow thistle]

Well yeah

[whole portal]

The Infinitiv is used as the imperative for wir and sie it says here

[hollow thistle]

Ugh I hate German

sometimes

it hurts my brain

[hollow thistle]

@rugged hazel ?

[hollow thistle]

Here

[rugged hazel]

You're right, it is considered Imperativ!
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adhortativ?useskin=vector

Seems like there are just toooo many ways to express imperative for us

[hollow thistle]

Time to copy and paste tjat all into a translator

Im rlly sorry but I don’t get it

Lmao

This grammar is too complicated for me

Jeder sei doch einmal höflich!! - everyone be polite for once!?

[rugged hazel]

Yes

[hollow thistle]

Oh wait that’s just normal imperativ nvm

UGH

[whole portal]

Seid doch alle tbh

[hollow thistle]

I was trying to use the other structure

not just normal imperativ

[whole portal]

Not worth it

[rugged hazel]

Ah

[hollow thistle]

How would you say that using the jeder esse was er kann sturcture

[rugged hazel]

Since jeder is 3rd person, you use jussive, not adhortative

[hollow thistle]

This all means nothing to me

LOL

Layman’s terms ?

[whole portal]

You're using the first thing we talked about, not the second one

[hollow thistle]

What’s the first thing and the second thing again

my brain is overloaded rn

[whole portal]

Jussiv and Adhortativ :)

[hollow thistle]

anddddd what are they

Can I have like example sentences for both

pls

[whole portal]

Jussiv is the "Lang lebe der König." form and Adhortativ is "Komm mein König, leben wir."

[hollow thistle]

Ah okay

I was trying to use the first one

I was trying to use jussiv

[whole portal]

Jeder sei mal höflich is correct then

[hollow thistle]

So weird man

Jeder schaue mal was ich gemacht hab!

Geht das?

[whole portal]

I guess

It sounds very weird outside of certain expressions either way

[hollow thistle]

okay

And about the

Seien Sie herzlich willkommen or whatever it was

why is it seien Sie and not Sie seien like the other jussiv structures

Omg wait I’m getting so confused rn isn’t seien Sie just normal imperativ tho

And not jussiv

Why was it in the jussiv examples

AHH

[rugged hazel]

Jussiv is only used for 3rd person Singular

[rugged hazel]

The answer is complicated, but in the end the verb shifts to the start for Adhortative

[rugged hazel]

We use Adhortativ for 1 person plural.
Which is wir ( = us). Which means you are part of it.
It has all the signs that regular Imperative has: An exclamation mark and the verb in first position.
The difference is that it still keeps it subject - Which is a pronoun in 1st Person Plural.

Mach den Abwasch! (Imperative) ( = wash the dishes)
Wir machen den Abwasch. ( Indikativ ) ( = we wash the dishes )
Machen wir den Abwasch! (Imperative, specifically Adhortativ) ( = let us wash the dishes)
It has multiple ways to be formed.
In English, you have
Let us play!
The "Let us" is obligatory in English.
In German, you can do the same, using "Lasst uns" ( = Let us)
Lasst uns spielen!
Lass uns spielen!
Which is technically imperative of "lassen" in 2nd person, but is used for a 1st person plural command.
But you can also use Subjunctive I. From Wikipedia:
Wir sind ehrlich Seien wir ehrlich.
For other verbs, the Subjunctive 1 and the Infinitive form are the same.
Gehen wir essen? ( A question ) ( = Do we go eat?)
Gehen wir essen! ( Adhortative) ( = Let us eat! )

---

So:

Gehen Sie essen! ( 2nd person Singular imperative )
Gehen wir essen! (1st person Plural imperative adhortative)
Er gehe essen! (3rd person Singular Jussiv)

[hollow thistle]

Omgggg

Thanks so much

i get all of it apart from one thing

What does er gehe essen actually mean

Cause you can’t have imperativ in third person

[rugged hazel]

You could see it as a workaround for making the "imperative" meaning work for 3rd person singular

[hollow thistle]

So let me try N example

Wenn jemand ins Kino gehen will, er gehe mit mir!!

Do you mean like this?

Or have I completely misunderstood

[whole portal]

(so) gehe er

[rugged hazel]

I guess because you used a secondary clause, the word order is

Wer will, gehe mit mir!
But for a main clause
Er gehe mit mir!

[hollow thistle]

Ah yes second position

But the context works?

Anyone who wants to go to the cinema, go with me!!

[whole portal]

Yes

[rugged hazel]

I guess

[hollow thistle]

If someone I wrote actually

But yeah

Wer shach spielen will, spiele er mit mir!

[rugged hazel]

But

Wenn jemand mit mir ins Kino gehen will, soll er mit mir gehen!
Would be preferred today

[rugged hazel]

"er" has to be left out

[hollow thistle]

If the er is left out isn’t that just normal imperativ

SPIEL MIT MIR

[hollow thistle]

That’s how I would have naturally said it before all this but I’m trying to get used to this weird jussiv

Actually I would’ve used sollte

[rugged hazel]

You know the biblical phrase

Wer unter euch ohne Sünde ist, (der) werfe den ersten Stein!
Jussiv!

[hollow thistle]

But I guess that has a slightly different connotation

[rugged hazel]

spiele is still 3rd person, it's not spiel

[hollow thistle]

Spiel is just short for spiele imperativ no?

i thought both were acceptable

[rugged hazel]

Yes, but spiele also is Subjunctive 1 of spielen

[hollow thistle]

So they’re literally the same

How are you supposed to know it’s jussiv

💀

[hollow thistle]

But in the example imperativ and jussiv end up being the same

That’s not confusing at all

🥲

but I think I understand it a lot better now thanks to you

🙏

So thank you

[rugged hazel]

Thank you for bringing it up, I haven't leanred about Imperativ in a long time, so it was fun

[hollow thistle]

So finally let me try one more time: wer noch etwas Rat braucht, komme zu mir

[rugged hazel]

Correct

[hollow thistle]

Awesome

man that was complicated

[rugged hazel]

An important saying:

Komme, was wolle!
(Whatever happens, happens.)

[hollow thistle]

Thanks!

That’s a great phrase

[rugged hazel]

You'll see Jussiv in many places 🤗

[hollow thistle]

I didn’t know that

[hollow thistle]

so that’s literally like: come what may!!

[rugged hazel]

Yes, I don't know well enough about English idioms. Thanks

[hollow thistle]

No

That’s not right in English

I was trying to translate it literally

[rugged hazel]

Ahhh, okay

[hollow thistle]

Hmmm

Actually

That is right but rather old fashioned

Now that I think about it

[rugged hazel]

Come what may seems to be a song title

[hollow thistle]

Could you then also say: Komme, was mag.

[hollow thistle]

Yea, and I imagine it’s a rather old song

[rugged hazel]

Not correct I'm very sure. The only thing I find for it is poems where it rhymes nicely

"mag" is also not in Subjunctive

[hollow thistle]

Oops

It isn’t?..

[rugged hazel]

the vowel changes

[hollow thistle]

oh waittt

What happens with this verb cus it’s ich mag AND er mag

In the subjunctive

ich komme, er kommt
Subjunctive - er komme

but for mag it wouldn’t change

[rugged hazel]

Komme, was möge

[hollow thistle]

Oh you use the Konjunktiv 2

Interestinggg

[rugged hazel]

Konj 2 would be "möchte"

[hollow thistle]

omg

Help

what is möge then?

[rugged hazel]

Just look up a table :D

möge is konj 1

Oh no! I made a mistake; kONJ 2 would also be möchte

Whoops

[hollow thistle]

that’s what you said

I actually hate all this Konjunktiv 1 2 and subjunctive so much

lmao

it always confuses me so much

[rugged hazel]

It confused me too just now, sorry

[hollow thistle]

Don’t apologise, you’ve helped me so much

🫂

This kind of learning is so hard to do online cus it’s difficult to know what t look for

so it’s really nice to ask a German native

[rugged hazel]

This might help you the most
https://grammis.ids-mannheim.de/systematische-grammatik/1956

Yet another name

[hollow thistle]

If it was in English yes haha

[rugged hazel]

Do the translators not do a well enough job?

[hollow thistle]

I have to translate it in little bits because it’s too big which takes forever lmao

But

I will do so tomrorow

for now I am too tired

lmao

And will just watch a German tv series where I don’t need to worry about jussiv

[rugged hazel]

Another fun example:
The most famous quote from star wars

[hollow thistle]

achsoooi

that’s actually a very good example

[rugged hazel]

Maybe good to memorize it

[hollow thistle]

How come möge means may when mögen means to like

🤔

What’s the difference between das Fernsehen and der Fernseher

[rugged hazel]

fernsehen (verb) -> Das Fernsehen (noun)

Look up "conversion" or "nominalised verb"

[hollow thistle]

Ah thanks

So how come its

Er schaut Fernsehen und nicht er schaut den Fernseher

[rugged hazel]

The same as you take a shower, and you watch television. "Schauen" is a light verb. In German it's called "Funktionsverb"

[hollow thistle]

yeah he’s watching television, television is the noun for the tv not a verb

[rugged hazel]

Good point

[hollow thistle]

das Fernsehen is a verb but in noun form

so why is it used like that

[rugged hazel]

But Fernsehen is also a noun

[hollow thistle]

Beim Fernsehen bin ich dick geworden

Srry couldn’t think of a better example

äufüitüi

here it makes sense because it’s a verb nominalised

but ich schaue Fernsehen seems strange to me

[rugged hazel]

You could also say

Ich schaue fern

[hollow thistle]

I know it’s easier to accept things but if I know why things are the way they are it’s much easier to apply it to other situations you know?

[hollow thistle]

yes i would usually say that but I found this ich gucke Fernsehen example in the show I was watching

Ah yes they used gucken instead but same meaning

[rugged hazel]

It's just a question of meaning, "das Fernsehen" is the whole thing of shows in your TV. It's an umbrella term for all the things sent to your TV which you need to look at to consume. So you watch those things. While phsyically, your eyes look at the device that displays it, the TV, you consume what is displayed

[hollow thistle]

now THAT is an excellent explanation

Thank you

[pure crow]

Gold, Silber, Schmuck, er legt Reichtum vor dir

Gold, Silber, Schmuck, er legt Reichtum vor dich

Do either of these work? If so, could someone please let me know which one? I feel like it's the first one, but I'd like to check

[vale orchid]

what is it exactly, what you want to say? The context

[open brook]

Das Verb legen kommt mit Akkusativ, liegen kommt mit Dativ

[pure crow]

Wäre vor dich richtig?

[long whale]

Yes... Although I'd also add "hin" at the very end.

[pure crow]

Danke ihr beiden @long whale @open brook noch eine Frage. Hätte ich Reichtümer schreiben sollen?

[long whale]

I guess it's possible, but seems fine as is.

[pure crow]

Danke dir ☺️

[open brook]

@long whalewar das falsch oder was meinst du mit dem Emoji?

[long whale]

👆 = Look at this (since it is correct)

(I'm not the one who invented this, btw, it's just what I've seen others do here.)

[pure crow]

Erfinderin des zeigenden Fingers

[open brook]

Aha alles klar XD

[steep horizon]

Ich bin Spanier, kannst du mir ein paar Beleidigungen sagen?

[hollow thistle]

Questions about german

[fervent kernel]

Sind die Übersetzungen "happy" und "lucky" gleich, "glücklig"? Wenn immer ich dieses Wort sage, verstehen die Leute mich falsch 🤔

[long whale]

Well... yes and no. I was happy = Ich war glücklich; I was/got lucky = Ich habe Glück gehabt; He's a lucky guy = Er ist ein Glückspilz

Does that help?

[fervent kernel]

Helps a lot, danke 👍 😊

[fervent kernel]

Könnte jemand bitte mir helfen dabei, welche Wörter für "interior" und "exterior" benutzt werden?

Ich habe einen Übersetzer benutzt aber das hat mir die Ergebnisse "Innere" und "Äußere" gegeben, was ich nicht auf verbformen.de finden kann

[opal narwhal]

It depends on the context...

[fervent kernel]

Wirklich?

Lasst uns dann sagen, dass es für Autos ist. "interior of a car"

[opal narwhal]

Then it's correct (das Innere eines Autos)

[fervent kernel]

Und "exterior"?

[opal narwhal]

"das Äußere"

NB: these are litteral translations, I don't know if people would really say "das Innere meines Autos ist..." (I hope a native can help)

[fervent kernel]

Das war mein Zweifel

[long whale]

In daily speech, I guess I'd just say "innen/außen ist mein Auto..." - but yes, it very much depends on context. (And doubt/Zweifel doesn't really work that well in German: Das war meine Frage.) ;) @fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

Ich habe 2 Fragen 😄

• Wie kann man diese Wörter "innen" und "außen" benutzen? z.B. "The interior/exterior of my car is very old"
• Kann man so sagen, wie "Ich habe Zweifel"?

[long whale]

Ehh - what's that supposed to mean? Like... your car's older on the outside than on the inside? How does that even work? - You can say that. It's just not very idiomatic when you're talking about questions you have. You'd use "Zweifel an jdm/etwas haben" when you're in doubt about whether or not something is factually true.

[fervent kernel]

Yeah, it doesn't make really sense, but I wanted to see the usage. Another example then; the interior of the car is red

[long whale]

Innen (or: Von innen) ist das Auto rot.

[fervent kernel]

Danke

[terse skiff]

So there is a Kleist quote in my textbook that I don't fully understand grammatically: "und in der Tat schien mitten in diesen gräßlichen Augenblicken, in welcher alle irdischen Güter der Menchen zugrunde gingen und die ganze Natur verschüttet zu werden drohte, der menschliche Geist selbst wie eine schöne Blume aufzugehen."
Sorry for the long quote, but I need to know: why is schien all the way at the front of the sentence if it is modifying augzugehen? I know there's a reason, but I would like to know what it is for future readings. I know what it says, but I want to know grammatically why the adverb is in a whole 'nother clause from the verb itself. Thanks!

[whole portal]

It is relating to aufgehen indeed, it seemed [...] to open up
It's not that much in another clause, there are just additional clauses slotted in

There's a name for these clauses that just add information but I forgor the name sorry to you and my old german teacher

[terse skiff]

Oh I see! So it's like "und der Tat schien mitten in diesen gräßlichen Ausblicken ... der menschliche Geist selbst wie ein schöne Blume aufzugehen" is one clause, and the other stuff is separate clauses in between?

[terse skiff]

In English it's called an interjection, but my grammer sense turn off with German sometimes

[whole portal]

Huh

An Interjektion is a word type in German

[terse skiff]

Oh wait that's the wrong thing sorry lol

[terse skiff]

Idr what it's called either

[whole portal]

I'm pissed that I don't remember rn it was something containing something related to additiv probably

I think Apposition

[terse skiff]

Yeah, that's the one

I don't imagine it means something different between English and German

[nimble viper]

Gibt man einen Job auf?

Ich meine, gibt es gewöhnlichere Verben um das auszudrücken?

einen Job kündigen zB?

[nimble viper]

Danke Kroko fürs erklären

[whole portal]

@nimble viper Aufgeben würde man eher einen Beruf

[hollow thistle]

Wow that was a difficult sentence for me to parse

[terse skiff]

Ya, es ist in der Nähe von die Ende des Buches

[nimble viper]

dem

[terse skiff]

Welcher? Das ist nicht hilfreich

[hollow thistle]

Das Ende

-> dem

Ich würde aber eher ‚es ist fast am Ende des Buches‘ sagen aber ja

Or es befindet sich am Ende des Buches

oder es steht

Was auch immer

[terse skiff]

Ah, ich erinnerte mich falsch, ich glaubte es feminin war

[hollow thistle]

Selbst wenn es feminin wäre, wäre es ‚der‘

[terse skiff]

Ja, ich vergaß auch die korrekte Deklination für es

[hollow thistle]

kein Problem, wir sind alle hier um unser Deutsch zu verbessern 👍

Btw when you want to say ‚for it‘ you use dafür not für es

[terse skiff]

Ah, Dankeschön

[hollow thistle]

Von Es = davon
Auf es = darauf

Ja

Weißt du schon glaube ich

Wahrscheinlich ein einmaliger Fehler

:))

[hollow thistle]

(Dankeschön is the noun, danke schön is what you say to thank someone)

[terse skiff]

Ah, das war ein Tippfehler, weil von der Autokorrektur

[hollow thistle]

Achso, tut mir leid

[hollow thistle]

Btw: for because of you use the word wegen

After wegen you use Genitiv (or Dativ in colloquial usage)

Wegen der Autokorrektur

[terse skiff]

Es gibt's zu viele Worten für "because" haha, danke

[hollow thistle]

because of is a set phrase and doesn’t mean the same thing as because, that’s why

because of = wegen

Any time you want to say because of use wegen

[terse skiff]

Okay, danke schön!

[hollow thistle]

gerne :))

Btw when you want to say smth like because of me or because of you, you can use the words: meinetwegen und deinetwegen

:))

[hollow thistle]

@terse skiff

[terse skiff]

Nochmals vielen Dank!

[hollow thistle]

ja kein Problem :))

[oak frost]

Hey guys, es ist vierzehn Uhr fünfzehn is 14:15?

And viertel zwei is 1:15?

[long whale]

Yes to both. However, "Viertel zwei" is regional. To avoid misunderstandings, better say "Viertel nach eins" ;)

[oak frost]

Thanks

[whole portal]

01:15 OR 13:15

Depending on context obviously

I haven't met the person that can't understand something as simple as viertel 2 yet tho, I always assume that to be overplayed drama like das Nutella, at the end you'll also understand die

[long whale]

You've now met one. I never know whether that's supposed to mean 1:15 or 1:45 - or whatever. 🤷

[whole portal]

What

1/4 * 60 = 15

3/4 * 60 = 45

It's a quarter of the second hour lol

[gusty silo]

viertel zwei is completely unknown in my area

[whole portal]

Do you not say halb 2?

[gusty silo]

i do, but that has nothing to do with that

[whole portal]

1/2 * 60 = 30

Wdym

It's the exact same thing

[gusty silo]

wdym wdim? :p

i legit don't count that way though

for me the clock goes
X:15 - viertel nach X
X:30 - halb Y
X:45 - viertel vor Y

[whole portal]

So why is halb understandable without nach/vor but viertel is not?

[gusty silo]

because i'm not used to it, fundamentally?

[whole portal]

Like the glass isn't viertel bevor voll

[gusty silo]

haha.

[whole portal]

I mean yes technically it is but nobody says that

[gusty silo]

hoo wweeee, was ham wir nich alle gelacht

:p

the thing is, i know which way around "halb zwei" is meant because i've heard it all my life

[whole portal]

I'm genuinely confused what the issue with understanding is, you don't have to say it but it's not a hard concept to wrap your head around

[flint nimbus]

one advantage halb has is it can only be one way, it is never "half past"/"halb nach"

[gusty silo]

if you say "halb zwei" you could, in theory, mean "half past two" or "half an hour til two". i know which is meant because of usage. because of convention
i am not used to the convention of "viertel zwei", thus i don't actually know by heart which way around you mean (quarter past two or quarter hour until two)

[whole portal]

You don't have to tho?

[gusty silo]

this isn't an attempt to say "viertel zwei" is wrong or anything, it is really just a fact that i never hear it and therefore amn't clued in to the convention of how it's meant

[whole portal]

Then just stop yourself for the 3 seconds required to sort it out manually

[gusty silo]

what do you mean?

[whole portal]

That if you don't know it by heart instantly, you can manually process the information?

[flint nimbus]

is "viertel zwei" used as a shorter version of "viertel nach zwei" sometimes in everyday speech, is that what the conversation is about?

[gusty silo]

can i?

[whole portal]

Like I get that it's less intuitive and slower but it's not impossible by any means

[gusty silo]

no of course not

i'm not saying i'm literally unable to understand it ever at all

[long whale]

No, it's used for 1:15 - and I share your confusion. Basically, that's what it's about. :D

[flint nimbus]

wait... viertel zwei = viertel nach ein?

[gusty silo]

yes

afaik

[flint nimbus]

that's absurd

[gusty silo]

eh

[long whale]

*eins - Yes! :D

[whole portal]

In some regions, the times are also sometimes given as the ratio of the full hour

[gusty silo]

it's not more absurd then how "halb zwei" means "1:30"

but the point is you're either clued into it through hearing it all the time or you aren't

[whole portal]

You could also say that zweidrittel 2 is 13:40

[flint nimbus]

it is a lot more absurd than that, what? halb zwei = halb vor zwei, it's just the removal of a word

[whole portal]

Or Siebenzwölftel is 35

[gusty silo]

what are we arguing about btw?

i've lost the plot to be frank

[flint nimbus]

obviously it's not wrong if it's a thing people use, but it is weird

[gusty silo]

are we still doubting people not used to one system of telling the time aren't used to it?

[whole portal]

I just found Susanas statement to be an exaggeration

[gusty silo]

that it can lead to misunderstandings?

[flint nimbus]

are there other similar things of note?

[gusty silo]

or that she can't tell?

[whole portal]

I mean if someone misses a word maybe

[gusty silo]

because yes you can't entirely reason your way into knowing with certainty how it's meant

[whole portal]

But I meant that she basically claimed it to be impossible

[flint nimbus]

maybe fünf zwei is 1:05? 😄

[gusty silo]

same with "halb zwei". you can guess but a priori you do not know.

[whole portal]

Not really how it's meant

01:00 has one hour of the day passed, a half of that hour is 00:30

Some regions use other ratios than 1/2, some don't

That's it, not much more to it

[flint nimbus]

right, it's like a viertel towards the next hour

[gusty silo]

yes

[flint nimbus]

but i don't think what you're saying is universal at all. Some people clearly interpret it like that, but i didn't, and it seems more people in this conversation didn't either

we do the same thing in swedish "halv två" = "halb zwei", but if i were given three choices of what viertel zwei could mean i think i would guess quarter past, quarter to, and idk

[whole portal]

quarter of lol

[fervent kernel]

Was ist die Unterschiede zwischen "drücken", "schieben" und "drängen"?

Alle von ihnen bedeuten "push"

[undone verge]

I can give a few pointers (not covering every possible meaning)
drücken : press (like a button)
schieben : shift, like pushing something across the floor perhaps
drängen : pressuring/pushing someone to something

[hollow thistle]

For example, etw auf die lange Bank schieben :3

[fervent kernel]

That helps a lot, thank you

[west pond]

Why is it "Es waren nur zwei Wochen" even though "es" takes "war"

[gusty silo]

the short answer is that the verb agrees with "zwei Wochen" here, which i think is the default behavior if you have a sentence of the "X is Y" type where "X" is es and Y is plural

okay that's not the shortest form of that answer, forget that part

why i made that disclaimer is because i'm not completely sure if this is the only construction that behaves like this or if one or two other ones also show this behavior

[pure crow]

Very sorry for yet another question guys (my last one today, I promise!)

I'm just wondering why Absatz is used here instead of Hacken? Dumbeldore is turning on his heels, right? And Hacken means heels?

[long whale]

Except the translation for "to turn on one's heels" is "sich auf dem Absatz umdrehen" or "auf dem Absatz kehrtmachen" 🤷

[gusty silo]

(furthermore, Hacke would just sound wrong there to me because i think of it as too informal/colloquial)

[pure crow]

Oh wow, I just searched Absatz on its own - didn't realise that's a straight up expression put together

[gusty silo]

you do also factually turn on the heel of the shoe, if you wear shoes, right? so german goes with that

(not that Hacke couldn't mean 'heel of the shoe', just that Absatz definitely does mean 'heel of the shoe')

[long whale]

Yes, well, "heel" translates to both "Absatz" and "die Ferse/Hacke" (which frankly I didn't even know existed in singular)...

[pure crow]

I guess so - earlier in the book it mentiones him wearing buckled boots with heels so my brain thought 'Hacken' = heels all the time

[gusty silo]

(which frankly I didn't even know existed in singular)...
it felt sort of clear to me that that ought to be the singular, but if i've used it before i don't know either. probably, but not often

[pure crow]

Thanks very much Verne and Susana

[long whale]

Well, I'd have said the singular was "der Hacken", but DWDS tells me "die Hacke" is more common...

[whole portal]

I also only know Hacken

[pure crow]

So this should say die Hacke?

[gusty silo]

🤷 to the extent you'll use it at all, perhaps?
(just for the purposes of demonstration: i can imagine myself saying something like "Hast du dir die Hacke wundgescheuert?" if a friend complained about his left foot or his left shoe)

[pure crow]

If your instinct leans towards die Hacke, then I'll use the feminine version

[gusty silo]

but like, if 'der Hacken' is also a form some people use, i guess that's fine then?
if DWDS has some indication of how much more common die Hacke is over der Hacken, that might be worth considering?
or if neither is particularly prevalent, then maybe it would be good to consider the recogniseability even among people who don't use either much. but that last bit is presumably just guesswork, not something any of us has data for

[pure crow]

I'll call Scholz and ask him to run a national survey on how many people use 'der Hacken' and 'die Hacke'

But in all seriousness, thanks both, I appreciate your help

[flint nimbus]

so the perfect for verbs that have to do with moving from one place to another often uses the auxilliary sein. If i say Der mann ist in Theater gegangen. that still doesn't mean he's necessary there now though, right? he could've gone to a theater 5 years ago, thought it was quite good, and then left 3 hours later and never entered a theater again, or does it imply he's gone there, so he's there now?

[gusty silo]

that sentence in that form without other context i might actually interpret as "he's in the theater", but yeah, Der Mann ist ins Theater gegangen does not have to imply that, true

[flint nimbus]

i half assume historically that is what it actually meant though, but it's shifted as it's taken over a larger part of the describing the past

[gusty silo]

without any more context for disambiguation, i would go for other meanings merely through some adverbs, rather then changing the predicate itself

so i would probably say "Der Mann ist gerade ins Theater gegangen" with the implication he's probably not yet there, or "Der Mann ist mal ins Theater gegangen" if i just intend to say "that man has gone to the theater before" (but also when telling a story like "i went to the theater once and ....")

[plain umbra]

Hmm, I've never heard of anything like that. Whether you use haben or sein though, it's equally referring to a past action.

[gusty silo]

i guess the assumption comes from comparing it with similarly formed and similary named tenses in other languages. how it was used in the past is surely find-out-able(=herausfindbar) discoverable, but i don't know either.

similarly formed and similary named tenses in other languages.
(though i think in many contemporary romance languages it's also not(/no longer?) restricted to just "past action with present effects / recent past"?)

[flint nimbus]

what if he's there now then?

[gusty silo]

🤷 don't think i'd highlight that by any particular means

i mean the basic form of the sentence and the ones with temporal adverbs are all fundamentally ambiguous and likely to be used for either

[long whale]

Er ist gerade im Theater.

[gusty silo]

yeah true

[flint nimbus]

fair enough!

[gusty silo]

i thought about remarking on how this phrasing has to "compete" with ones without a movement verb, but then thought it doesn't matter

(since i'm not sure i can think of a way "Ich war im Theater" differs in semantics or use from the literal english counterpart)

[fervent kernel]

Gibt es irgendeinen Unterschied zwischen "sich entscheiden für" und "sich entschließen"? Falls nein, welches Verb benutzt man in formellen Situationen?

[long whale]

"sich für etwas/jdn entscheiden" -> there are different options. "sich zu etwas entschließen; sich entschließen, etwas zu tun" -> you make up your mind/get up the energy to do sth (different options possible, but not necessary, more like: to do or not to do ;) )

[fervent kernel]

Danke schön 😊 👍

I wished, some websites would explain the things the way you do 😄

[waxen current]

@long whale könntest du bitte ein paar Beispiele geben? Ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob mir der Unterschied klar ist.

[long whale]

What for? The above? Try https://www.dwds.de/wb/entscheiden ;)

[waxen current]

Viele Dank! Du bist die Beste!!

[fervent kernel]

Ist es möglich, "Hast du nicht irgendeine Email gesendet?" zu sagen?

Oder soll ich stattdessen "keine Email" benutzen?

[rugged hazel]

Depends on context, but generally keine sounds better I would say
Isn't it similar to saying "did you not send some email" instead of " an email"?

[long whale]

It's possible, but "nicht irgendeine" is like "not some of any/whatever kind" ;)

[fervent kernel]

@long whale @rugged hazel I wanted to say "haven't you sent any email?"

[long whale]

The most common for this would be "überhaupt keine" (none whatsoever) ;)

(It's a bit colloquial, though -> depends on context)

[fervent kernel]

Danke sehr 😊 👍 I was using "nicht irgendein-" form every time when I wanna emphasize a meaning like "have you still not any"

[rugged hazel]

Totally fine too

[fervent kernel]

überhaupt, I think, it makes it more emphasized?

[rugged hazel]

Yes exactly

It emphasizes the arbitrariness or how it's called

[fervent kernel]

Danke

[rugged hazel]

The irgend- forms

[vestal nest]

Hello! Please tell me, does the following sentence make sense? "Lerne doch bitte Französisch schneller dafür, wir uns immer auf das unterhalten können!"

[proven sphinx]

You've made a few mistakes there.

It should be: "Lerne doch bitte schneller Französisch, damit wir uns immer auf Französisch unterhalten können."

I guess you can say "auf das" here, but I don't know, it sounds weird.

[vestal nest]

I see, how exactly does dafür differ then?

[proven sphinx]

It means "for that reason", not "so that".

Er wollte sich mit seinem Freund auf Französisch unterhalten. Dafür hat er schließlich Französisch gelernt.

Like here.

[vestal nest]

Ah alright, thanks a bunch

[proven sphinx]

If it's clear what you're talking about, you could also say "Lerne es doch bitte schneller, damit ..."

[vestal nest]

Vielen dank für die Erklärungen!

[pure crow]

Onkel Veron knallte beinahe in den Vordermann

How do you know when to say Vordermann/Vorderfrau if you can't tell whether the person driving in front of you is a man or woman?

[long whale]

Generic masculine: der Vordermann. To my knowledge, the female version doesn't really exist. ;)

[pure crow]

Thanks Susana! I'd found this on dict cc so thought it depended on gender

[long whale]

Okay, you can read my "doesn't really exist" as "is (still) extremely rare", if that helps. 😄

[pure crow]

All clear - danke dir noch mal ☺️

[crisp rose]

So, "Es freut mich, dich kennen zu lernen"

[fervent kernel]

Yes

[crisp rose]

DO you mean, that you don't understand the sentence structure?

[fervent kernel]

The sentence overall, how does it mean pleased to meet you?

The verb lernen is used

[crisp rose]

?

there is no "lernen"

oh there is

so

[crisp rose]

"es freut mich" means, "it makes me happy" directly translated

[fervent kernel]

Ohhhh

[crisp rose]

"dich kennen zu lernen" is "to get to know you better" i guess

it's "kennen lernen"

[fervent kernel]

Ok, thx

This is all a bit confusing-

[crisp rose]

do you understand me? I'm not good at explaing, sorry

[fervent kernel]

Yes, I understand

[crisp rose]

okay

[flint nimbus]

Die Hauptstadt von Rumänien, Bukarest, liegt im Süden vom Land.
Rumäniens Hauptstadt, Bukarest, liegt im Süden vom Landt.
are both of these idiomatic ways of saying this?

[muted saddle]

vom Landt des Landes

[flint nimbus]

it needs genetive case rather than von?

[muted saddle]

Im Süden von Rumänien
Im Süden des Landes

vom Land is no grave error but clumsy.

[flint nimbus]

ok cool i've been looking for an excuse to use the genetive anyway!

i'll have to be careful of the ending of the noun changing though

so ... liegt im Süden des Landes then

[muted saddle]

yes, that is what you already had.

[flint nimbus]

would you speak like that too? i've heard the genetive isn't used much in speech

[muted saddle]

yes. otherwise I hadn't corrected you.

[flint nimbus]

it could've been only for writing

[muted saddle]

no.

[flint nimbus]

ok!

thank you!

[muted saddle]

np. Btw, we're both in TPC.

[flint nimbus]

cool! I used to be more active there than here, but learning german has possessed me 🙂 It is very exciting to learn a new language!

[long whale]

In some dialects, Genitiv isn't used much (or even at all), that much is true. It's still very much a thing in Standard German, though. ;)

[rugged hazel]

It seems to be one of the words that are products of feminist linguistics
For example, "Frauschaft" 'exists', but nobody uses that as well

[whole portal]

Given that I needed a full 5 seconds to understand what that's even supposed to mean ... yeah no

[rugged hazel]

How else would you explain the sudden rise in usage as feminist linguistics got popular? It's at this time gendered language felt increased usage and support as well

[whole portal]

Hm?

All I said was that most people don't use any of this and will - as I did - struggle to even understand what you're trying to say at first

At least out of context obviously

[plain umbra]

You're talking about the vocab examples themselves?

Like you're just pointing out that someone won't understand "Frauschaft" in normal speech, right?

[whole portal]

Yes, altho maybe not not understand, it's like with most neologisms, given enough context and all you can get an idea across with almost any word similar to the one someone might expect

Am I missing some weird possible interpretation of what I said lol

[plain umbra]

Yeah, it sounded like you were saying that Candlelit Present's message didn't make sense.

I think they were also confused by that.

[narrow pier]

Hallo

Ich habe eine Frage über Staatsangehörigkeit bitte

Ich komme aus dem Irak. Also, in dem Feld Staatsangehörigkeit muss ich ( **Irakisch **) schreiben

?

[long whale]

Looks good. But frankly, I don't think it matters if you write "Irak" or "Iraker" (or even "Iraki"), as long as people understand - which they will. ;)

[narrow pier]

Es ist ein Registriegungsbogen

[long whale]

Yes. :)

[narrow pier]

Ich möchte es richtig aufüllen/beifügen haha

[long whale]

I get that. It's fine, really. :)

[narrow pier]

Vielen Dank Susana

[narrow pier]

[warped flume]

Kann jemand bitte meinen Text korrigieren? Vielen Dank im Voraus🫶

Seit vielen Jahren wird diskutiert, ob es sinnvoll ist, eine Schuluniform eine Pflicht zu machen. In vielen Ländern wie Großbritannien, China oder Japan ist es ganz normal für Kinder eine Schuluniform zu tragen. Während die USA, Deutschland und andere stehen dagegen. Der Grund für solche aktive Diskussion liegt in zahlreichen verschiedenen Meinungen. Manche Eltern fördern diese Idee mit gleicher Kleidung, weil Schuluniform hilfreich sein kann, um den sozialen Unterschied zwischen Kindern zu verringern. Als Beispiel könnte man anführen, dass Kinder ohne Markenkleidung häufiger gemobbt werden. Andere Leute finden die Gleichheit schlimm für die Individualität eines Kindes. Sie möchten Kindern Wahl zu geben, um ihre Kreativität durch die Klamotten frei auszudrücken.  Als ein anderer Vorteil, das Gefühl der Zugehörigkeit kann für Vielen bestimmt wichtig sein. Aber wir sollen nicht vergessen, dass die Schuluniform nicht preisgünstig ist. Familien mit schwerer finanzieller Situation oder Mehrkindfamilien können nicht die Schuluniform kaufen lassen. Als Vor- und Nachteile genannt worden, würde ich gern meinen Vorschlag zu diesem Thema bieten. Ich bin überzeugt, dass Schuluniform eine Pflicht sein muss, um Kinder sich disziplinieren zu lernen. Außerdem dieses finanzielles Problem soll nicht in der Frage kommen. Deswegen es toll wäre, wenn Schulen Schuluniformen zur Verfügung stellen würden.

[narrow pier]

chatgpts response :

Seit vielen Jahren wird diskutiert, ob es sinnvoll ist, eine Schuluniform zur Pflicht zu machen. In vielen Ländern wie Großbritannien, China oder Japan ist es ganz normal für Kinder, eine Schuluniform zu tragen, während die USA, Deutschland und andere Länder dagegen sind. Der Grund für diese aktive Diskussion liegt in zahlreichen verschiedenen Meinungen. Manche Eltern befürworten die Idee, weil eine Schuluniform hilfreich sein kann, um den sozialen Unterschied zwischen Kindern zu verringern. Als Beispiel könnte man anführen, dass Kinder ohne Markenkleidung häufiger gemobbt werden. Andere Leute finden die Gleichheit schädlich für die Individualität eines Kindes. Sie möchten Kindern die Wahl lassen, um ihre Kreativität durch Kleidung frei auszudrücken. Ein anderer Vorteil könnte das Gefühl der Zugehörigkeit sein, was für viele Menschen wichtig ist. Aber wir sollten nicht vergessen, dass Schuluniformen nicht preisgünstig sind. Familien mit schwerer finanzieller Situation oder Mehrkindfamilien können sich möglicherweise keine Schuluniformen leisten. Nachdem Vor- und Nachteile genannt wurden, würde ich gerne meinen Vorschlag zu diesem Thema bieten. Ich bin überzeugt, dass Schuluniformen eine Pflicht sein sollten, um Kinder zu disziplinieren. Außerdem sollten finanzielle Probleme dabei keine Rolle spielen. Es wäre daher toll, wenn Schulen Schuluniformen zur Verfügung stellen würden.

The original text contained some grammatical errors and some awkward phrasings. I corrected the text by making some changes to the sentence structure and adding a few missing words. The text now flows better and is more understandable.

[warped flume]

Danke schön🫶

[long whale]

Pretty impressive. There are only a few bits the bot (or you) missed: ...die Wahl lassen, um ihre...; mit schwerer schwieriger; bieten unterbreiten (best) or anbieten (possible); dass... eine Pflicht sein...;

[fervent kernel]

Ich glaube, ich würde tatsächlich auch weniger Scham empfinden, wenn ich von einem Roboter gepflegt werden würde.

Wäre es nicht "... , wenn ich von einem Roboter gepflegt würde." ?

[long whale]

The "werden" is optional in this case -> both work.

[fervent kernel]

Thanks

[flint nimbus]

is this idiomatic?

Können Sie bitte sich wiederholen?
Could you repeat yourself please?

[undone verge]

from my perspective, these two options are more idiomatic:
Könnten Sie das bitte wiederholen?
Könnten Sie das bitte nochmal sagen?

the construction you're using does exist, but note that the 'bitte' should come after the reflexive 'sich' 🙂

[flint nimbus]

i see! i'll keep to the more idiomatic phrases then!

although... just

Können Sie bitte wiederholen?
works too, right?

@undone verge

or is that a bit rude?

[undone verge]

It isn't rude, but to me it sounds off without the object 'das'

or if you want to use it reflexively, the 'sich'

[flint nimbus]

oh my bad

Können Sie das bitte wiederholen?

[undone verge]

yes, that works

[flint nimbus]

ok, good!

thank you

[long whale]

I'd suggest not saying that. It would be hard for me not to snort/smile at that. It has a kind of negative connotation, as in "the author keeps repeating himself" = the author's boring his readers to tears. ;)

[flint nimbus]

makes sense, i figured that was a possibility! thank you

[flint nimbus]

is either of these idiomatic?

Länder und ihre Hauptstädte von Europa
Europas Länder und ihre Hauptstädte
Also, wtf does Wiktionary list THREE different options for genetive? 😵‍💫

[long whale]

2nd one is fine.

Perhaps even more idiomatic (but that might be debatable): Die Länder Europas und ihre Hauptstädte

[flint nimbus]

Danke schön!

[muted carbon]

hi

hallo

[stuck pendant]

hola

[flint nimbus]

Du bringst mir Blumen mit.
is the mit really necessary?

[long whale]

Well... the meaning would change.

[flint nimbus]

from what to what?

[long whale]

bringen alone doesn't tell us whether you're just the guy delivering the flowers (which were ordered and will have to be paid for, for example). mitbringen tells us the 💐 is a present.

@flint nimbus

[flint nimbus]

ok i see

[snow herald]

Can you use the verb ziselieren when you want to, just figuratively ofcourse, say that you fine tuned or really carefully done something?

[long whale]

If you mean whether that's a common or normal use of the verb - no. I mean, it means "to engrave", so, it doesn't really make sense.

Depending on context, you could use "[sorgfältig] basteln"

[tropic ridge]

hi

[long whale]

Hello and welcome to the server.

[tropic ridge]

tanks

[pure crow]

Panzer

[flint nimbus]

so this is something that has been bugging me for a long time, i'm sure i've asked about it before, but i never understood it.

viel sometimes gets different endings according to case. But i don't understand why. Why, for example, in Auf dem Land gibt es viel Natur does viel not get an ending?

viele, in this case

[long whale]

For uncountable nouns (like Wasser, Geld or Natur) use "viel" (much). For plural nouns, please decline. ;)

(many)

[flint nimbus]

so one could view viel as being two different words with two different declination patterns, one of which just doesn't decline at all, and the other does?

and when it does decline, i suppose it'll typically follow plural declination, since it doesn't make sense to speak of many of something singular

viele Leute haben viel Geld

ok, thank you! One of my most longstanding frustrations 🙂

[fervent kernel]

This is about maths but I wanna know the translation of "ease in" and "ease out" 😄 I couldn't find it

[whole portal]

we'll need more context than that

I don't think there's any special words for animation easing

[fervent kernel]

Well, these are the types of graphics depending on their in and out tangents. Also, ease in and ease out can be used as verbs too. For example, ease in means like something starts slowly and then launches off and vice-versa

[whole portal]

es langsam angehen lassen? xd

[fervent kernel]

Idk 😄 I just wonder if there's translations of these

[whole portal]

I think you'll have to describe what you mean

[fervent kernel]

These are actually mathematical terms. So, the explanation is on the image. Idk how else I can describe 🤔 Using them as verbs is just like a nerd (geek) thing 😄

[whole portal]

I mean you could describe them with their corresponding growth

linear, exponential, logistic, limited

[long whale]

https://wiki.selfhtml.org/wiki/CSS/Tutorials/Animation/Transition Under transition-timing-function ;)

[fervent kernel]

ease-in: Übergang mit einem langsamen Start
ease-out: Übergang mit einem langsamen Ende

There is no direct translation. I have to describe them, I guess?

[whole portal]

yeah what I said, usually people just use the english terms

[fervent kernel]

Danke

@long whale btw, do you know programming by any change? Finding the answer from a CSS tutorial got my attention 😄

[whole portal]

I think they just googled it

[long whale]

Not the least idea. I just have a PhD in googling. ;)

[whole portal]

easing is most prominent in CSS

[fervent kernel]

Well, I thought, the first thing would've been something related to the maths 😅

[long whale]

See above - no, it wasn't among the first results. ;)

[whole portal]

Haven't heard of it being used with maths tbh

if you want to say it eases out to a certain value that would be annähern = approach

[fervent kernel]

I heard these terms from my maths teacher when I was in high school

[fervent kernel]

Btw, thank you for the new word. I'm adding that to my flashcards 😄 "annähern = approach"

[fervent kernel]

I also assume that the noun version is "Annäherung", but can I use that verb like "solution" like in English? For example:

"I liked your approach to this problem" - "Ich mag deine Annäherung zu diesem Problem"