#archived-culture-study-visa | German Learning and Discussion | Page 33

hearty wadi Jul 12, 2020, 6:41 PM

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i'm explaining in my first messages now that i am 8000km away until september and can't really meet in personlol

tame forum Jul 12, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Good luck

olive summit Jul 13, 2020, 2:46 AM

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I'll be moving in a few weeks, whats a good place to get boxes? The post office would charge a lot I imagine...

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Hornbach perhaps

fleet pelican Jul 13, 2020, 4:38 AM

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@olive summit yep, Hornbach or Obi should sell big boxes for moving cheaply

olive summit Jul 13, 2020, 4:43 AM

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Great

dense cradle Jul 14, 2020, 10:00 PM

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how would i go about moving to germany? i want to get a job in tech and go to uni there but im not the best student (3.1 gpa/85% average grade) so idk if id be able to go to uni? and also my german isnt the best and i no longer have access to german courses here

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i dont even know what schools to apply to when i finally go to uni

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its hard to find info

tame forum Jul 14, 2020, 10:04 PM

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@dense cradle which course? Which level (masters bachelors)?

dense cradle Jul 14, 2020, 10:05 PM

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bachelors in software engineering

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doodle is a senior in high school but is set to graduate a tad early

tame forum Jul 14, 2020, 10:06 PM

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I have no idea why ur talking abt ur self in 3rd person but...... Head over to DAAD. There u will find what ur looking for

dense cradle Jul 14, 2020, 10:07 PM

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ok

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and its because i can

tame forum Jul 14, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Oh ok

hidden briar Jul 14, 2020, 10:14 PM

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@dense cradle see the reddit FAQ: https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/wiki/studying

dry arch Jul 14, 2020, 11:07 PM

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@dense cradle it might help you to just live there for 1-2 semesters abroad (preferably 2) to improve your German so that you’re much more comfortable with actually moving there

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And to see if you even are still serious about it

dense cradle Jul 14, 2020, 11:08 PM

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like just live/get a job there for a while? should i go to a german learning course too or just try to exist

dry arch Jul 15, 2020, 1:55 AM

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No I meant like go there and only take a conversation course and an actual course designed to progress your knowledge of the grammar and stuff @dense cradle

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And literally just focus on that

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You also have a lot of free time when you do that which isn’t a bad thing, you have lots of opportunity to talk to people for practice

dense cradle Jul 15, 2020, 2:13 AM

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no clue how id afford that

dry arch Jul 15, 2020, 2:15 AM

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@dense cradle https://usac.edu/study-abroad-programs/germany

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This is a pretty affordable program, it’s the one I did

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I mean, compared to normal tuition it’s not that bad

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Also the German lecturers are insanely good

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You know I never heard my lecturer ever speak English until like 7 months in to the program because he was talking to someone who didn’t know German so when I told him it was the first time heard him speaking English he just burst into laughter

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He was like “really” and then 3 seconds later he realized, well yeah, I was in the most advanced class being offered so of course I never heard him speak it till then harold

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But yes anyway...the tuition was $6,580 (it’s not really shown immediately), but it ended up being more like $11,000 because of food

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Also housing

dense cradle Jul 15, 2020, 2:25 AM

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i was thinking of just signing up for a german course, getting an apartment, and tryna get a job

dry arch Jul 15, 2020, 2:26 AM

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That’s also not a bad choice. Actually if you work in Germany for a certain time period (without having left the country for more than a few months) you can apply for citizenship

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My German course and my German speaking course were worth 12 credits together so that’s how I was only able to take those during the first semester

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I have no clue if you can just take a German course in Germany without trying to earn credits or not

dense cradle Jul 15, 2020, 2:31 AM

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i was looking at this
https://www.did.de/en/

did

did deutsch-institut | German Courses in German and Austria

Learn German with the ★ Star Award winner. Every year, 8000 participants take part in our German courses - register now.

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i dont have that much money so id need to save up a lot, but i kinda just wanted to do my own thing

dry arch Jul 15, 2020, 2:32 AM

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Immediately what catches my eye is "The German language can be learned most easily and quickly in a place where it is actually spoken."

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Could not have said it better myself

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You sadly can't rush it tho

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Right now I am also saving money to transfer to a German Uni in Munich

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It just takes time

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Not to mention right now the world is kind of in a weird situation

dense cradle Jul 15, 2020, 2:34 AM

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im still in high school, ill graduate in march. id prolly work in the states until i have like $15k or somethin so i could exist, but id rather have a job so i could think about staying longer

dry arch Jul 15, 2020, 2:36 AM

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This program looks rather short

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Like a little less than 2 months if I am not mistaken

dense cradle Jul 15, 2020, 2:37 AM

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idk tbh

dry arch Jul 15, 2020, 2:37 AM

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I would encourage you to stay for longer than that

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If you can

dense cradle Jul 15, 2020, 2:37 AM

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like just living there?

dry arch Jul 15, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Yeah

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As long as you aren't sitting in your room every day all day

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That would defeat the purpose

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You have to put yourself out there a bit

dense cradle Jul 15, 2020, 2:39 AM

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part of why id want to get a job

dry arch Jul 15, 2020, 2:39 AM

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Sometimes it's 100% appropriate though

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If you have homework to do, finish that

dense cradle Jul 15, 2020, 2:40 AM

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i feel like id have months of things to just look at in germany tbh

dry arch Jul 15, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Or anything like that, if you are sick, yeah stay inside

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You do

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That's one reason I want to go back

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For example, the town I lived in was not destroyed during WW2, so a lot of buildings there have been around since 1100-1300, and are being protected and preserved by the local German government

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And the crazy thing is that people walk down these streets everyday

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The town itself has existed since 956

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There are a lot of these small towns like this and they are so fascinating. They are also a better way to get immersed imho, because they are not full of tourists, or people who are used to seeing Americans

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It is like almost a more authentic experience

dense cradle Jul 15, 2020, 2:52 AM

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ill need to find small towns to go to then

dry arch Jul 15, 2020, 2:57 AM

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They all have fascinating history as well

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Legends and so forth

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The legend of the St. Johannis Church is interesting. Legend has it, once the person in charge of building the church saw that he had built it slightly crooked, he climbed to the top window and jumped out the window because he believed he had failed God, and that he basically was paying for his sin by killing himself. But, he did not die because he landed in a wheelbarrow full of hay. Then he rejoiced that God in his mind had forgiven him for his sin. He went to a bar to celebrate. As he was sitting on a bench outside of it, he toppled over and died of alcohol poisoning, he basically just drank beer until he died.

deep vessel Jul 15, 2020, 3:42 AM

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keep in mind that if you're there on a student visa there are limits on how much work you can do

dry arch Jul 15, 2020, 3:43 AM

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yeah

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and it's only part time as far as i know

desert atlas Jul 15, 2020, 6:28 AM

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i was looking at this
https://www.did.de/en/
@dense cradle i am actually taking this course in august

did

did deutsch-institut | German Courses in German and Austria

Learn German with the ★ Star Award winner. Every year, 8000 participants take part in our German courses - register now.

dense cradle Jul 15, 2020, 6:29 AM

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lemme know how it goes!

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please

desert atlas Jul 15, 2020, 6:29 AM

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right before i enter uni in oktober

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sure! just remind me to tell you

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i will do 2 months intensive coursing

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around 4 hours von montag bis freitag

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 5:28 AM

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@dry arch wenn ich fragen darf, wieso warst du nach Deutschland geflogen? Zum Studieren, ein Schüler-Austausch, oder was anders?

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Hauptsächlich um mein Sprachniveau zu verbessern @fringe summit aber ja tatsächlich auch zum Studieren

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Wie lange warst du da?

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 5:31 AM

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Ich war insgesamt 2 mal in Deutschland aber ich vermute du meinst nur das zweite Mal als ich dort zum Studieren war

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 5:31 AM

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Erzähl mal von beiden

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 5:31 AM

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Und ich war während des zweiten Aufenthalts fast 8 Monate da

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Also das erste Mal war ich eigentlich nicht da zum Studieren, ich war da als Austauschschüler

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Und das hat nur 3 Wochen gedauert

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War an einem bayerischen Gymnasium als Austauschschüler

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 5:34 AM

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Das finde ich cool!

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8 Monate ist aber nicht eine lange Zeitperiode? Was hast du denn studiert?

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 5:35 AM

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Für mich war das aber die längste Zeitspanne die ich außerhalb meines Heimatlands je verbracht habe

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Also war es iwie schon eine lange Zeit

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Wie gesagt war ich hauptsächlich da zum Sprachniveau Verbessern

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Ich hatte und habe im Moment kein Hauptstudium ausgewählt

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Oh ja klar! Es ist ja eine sehr lange Zeit so weit von Zuhause zu sein. Ich war auch niemals so weit und so lange weg von meinem Heimatland

deep vessel Jul 17, 2020, 5:37 AM

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als austauschstudent an einer Uni oder?

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Was ich mit „nicht lange Zeitperiode“ meinte, war dass ein Studium normalerweise ein paar Jahre dauert, und vergleichsweise dachte ich, dass 8 Monaten für ein ganzes Studium eher kurz war

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 5:43 AM

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Oh ja klar! Es ist ja eine sehr lange Zeit so weit von Zuhause zu sein. Ich war auch niemals so weit und so lange weg von meinem Heimatland
Jetzt habe ich es aber vor an eine deutsche Uni ganz und gar zu wechseln, und will da wenigstens 2 Jahre bleiben und studieren. Ich muss immer noch ein Hauptfach auswählen und im Moment überleg ich es mir ob ich BWL studieren will weil man damit richtig viele Berufsmöglichkeiten hat.

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 5:44 AM

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Ahhh ich verstehe jetzt, viel Glück und viel erfolg damit!

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Ich hab noch einige fragen mehr, wenn du sie mal aushalten kannst XD

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 5:45 AM

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Was ich mit „nicht lange Zeitperiode“ meinte, war dass ein Studium normalerweise ein paar Jahre dauert, und vergleichsweise dachte ich das 8 Monaten für ein ganzes Studium eher Kurz war
War es auch nicht. Die Leistungspunkte die ich von der deutschen Uni bekommen habe, sind an meine Uni in den USA schon übertragen worden

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 5:46 AM

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du erwähntest dass du in einer alten Stadt gewohnt hast, wie hat sie dir gefallen? Wie war die Stimmung dort, die Menschen und wie war es in so einem Ort zu Studieren?

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 5:47 AM

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gefallen* :)))

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Ach klar, ich vermutete, dass etwas da nicht stimmte XD

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Ich hatte vor, mich dieses Jahr mit einem Austausch in Deutschland zu beschäftigen, aber leider hat er nicht geklappt

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Und nun überlege ich mir, ob ich mich an ein Mastersstudium bewerben sollte, aber ich habe keine Ahnung wo oder was ich studieren sollte

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Mir hat sie ganz gut gefallen; also wenn’s die Stimmung angeht...hmmm - na schwer zu beschreiben, denn man trifft sehr viele unterschiedliche Menschen. Aber ich würde sagen, dass die allgemeine Denkart sich nicht von einer Person zu irgendwelcher anderen sehr viel unterscheidet

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In so einem Ort zu studieren boah war es richtig cool!! Ich mochte die Altstadt sehr viel, obwohl es zugegebenermaßen nicht sehr viel zu tun gab, aber dafür ist die deutsche Bahn auch gedacht :p

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 5:53 AM

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Haha lang lebe die Bahn!

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 5:54 AM

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ah übrigens; überlege ich mir

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und

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man sagt sich bei etw/jdm bewerben @fringe summit

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Aber ich glaube man würde dieses Verb eher nicht verwenden wenn man von einem Mastersstudium spricht

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Du würdest halt sagen

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Um vielleicht

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Und nun überlege ich mir, ob ich ein Mastersstudium machen möchte

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Ich hab komplett vergessen welches Verb man mit Studien verwendet XD

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Tatsächlich sagt man in Deutschland nicht wirklich Master”studium”, ich habe bisher nur “einen Master machen” gehört

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Genau

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Man macht einen Master

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Und schließt ihn dann ab

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Hahah alles gut

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Ich mach selber dann und wann Fehler und werd dafür immer noch korrigiert mmlol

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Dadurch lernt man sehr vieles

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Ja freilich!

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Ich wäre auf meinen Level nicht gekommen würde ich nie korrigiert

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 6:04 AM

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Würdest du lieber in einer größeren Stadt, wie Frankfurt, München usw, studieren oder in einer Kleineren wie die, in der du früher wohntest?

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Ja so ist es nun mal, deswegen nehme ich gerne Korrekturen an 😄

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Oh wow sehr schwierige Frage😄😬

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Bereite dich, jetzt kommen die echt schwierigen Fragen XD

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Deutschland ist für mich einfach recht faszinierend, scheiß egal wohin ich fliege/fahre/gehe

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Bei Altstädten (bezogen auf die kleineren) und ebenso Großstädten gibt es nicht nur Vorteile sondern auch Nachteile, dass kann gar keiner bestreiten

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Brudi was

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Es kann nicht eine schwierigere Frage geben als die die du mir grad gestellt hast

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acid_do_mathematics

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Tja okay vielleicht...die der oder das Nutella!?!?!

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Also, denkst du dass Nutelle die oder...

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Du hast meine Gedanken gelesen

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 6:12 AM

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Hahaha ich weiß auf jeden Fall dass dieses gleiche Thema in meinem fortgeschrittenen Deutschseminar mehrere Male aufgetaucht ist harold

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 6:12 AM

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Aber danke! Sie ist ja eine schwere Frage zu beantworten, deswegen hab ich sie gestellt XD

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 6:13 AM

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Ich habe sie nicht völlig geantwortet

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Denn ich hätte dafür einen scheiß Roman schreiben müssen

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wtf

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Mach ich vielleicht, wenn du ein Glückspilz bist..

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Du sagtest erst vorhin dass du gerade Geld dafür sparst, ein Studium in München zu machen

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Oder hab ich mich einfach verlesen...

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Die Antwort die ich geboten habe war eher wie ein Anreißer sozusagen

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Nein das stimmt tatsächlich

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Ich beabsichtigte dieses Jahr da zu studieren

static lark Jul 17, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Warum München?

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Meine uni und eine da sind verbunden, und lassen Studenten dazwischen Austausche machen

static lark Jul 17, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Ach so, “da zu studieren” hat für mich ein ordentliches Studium bedeutet, aber es ist ein Austausch, alles klar.

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 6:21 AM

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Hmm mir war diese Gelegenheit leider ausgefallen

static lark Jul 17, 2020, 6:22 AM

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Wieso?

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 6:22 AM

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Ich habe sehr viele Freunde aus München, darunter meinen besten Freund. Außerdem will ich eine Variation des bayerischen Dialekts weiter erleben und erlernen. Einer meiner Freunde da hat mir gesagt, er wird sein bestes versuchen mir Bayerisch beizubringen wenn ich da studiere, denn er will in München auch studieren. Außerdem finde ich das Nachtleben in München richtig cool und möchte das nochmal erfahren. @static lark

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 6:22 AM

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Und nun überlege ich mir, ob ich mich bei einem Studium du einschreiben sollte

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Wegen dem Virus FeelsBadMan

static lark Jul 17, 2020, 6:23 AM

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Achso 😦

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 6:24 AM

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Ich kann Bayerisch eigentlich schon ganz gut verstehen, aber nicht völlig

static lark Jul 17, 2020, 6:24 AM

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Du hast echt viele Gründe, Nat. Bei mir käme München leider nicht mal in Frage, weil ich mir das Leben dort nicht leisten kann.

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 6:25 AM

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Nate Alter das wäre echt geil wenn dein freund dir Bayerisch beibringen würde!

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Hast du/studierst du schon in Deutschland Cacti?

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Du hast echt viele Gründe, Nat. Bei mir käme München leider nicht mal in Frage, weil ich mir das Leben dort nicht leisten kann.
Deswegen arbeite ich dafür jetzt jeden Tag in Amerika um das finanzieren zu können

static lark Jul 17, 2020, 6:26 AM

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In Österreich.

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Ohh noch cooler!

static lark Jul 17, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Ja, das ist wichtig, sich im Voraus zu vorbereiten, Nat.

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Cooler? 😄

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Nate Alter das wäre echt geil wenn dein freund dir Bayerisch beibringen würde!
Finde ich auch deswegen mach ich das

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Ich hab ein sehr nicht nur interessantes sondern auch ganz komisches Ziel

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harold

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Ich möchte Bayerisch als Amerikaner können damit ich Norddeutsche dann mit ihrer eigenen Sprache dann verwirren kann wtf

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Hoffentlich schaffe ich mithilfe meines Freundes das

deep vessel Jul 17, 2020, 6:30 AM

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ich kann für eine mittelgroße Stadt sprechen

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Das interessante dran ist auch, dass der Typ von dem ich rede auch Spanisch als Muttersprache spricht, da sein Vater aus Porto Rico ist

static lark Jul 17, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Hast du nicht auch andere bayerischen Städten in Betracht gezogen, Nat?

deep vessel Jul 17, 2020, 6:31 AM

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ich fand in einer zu leben das Beste von beidem

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Nein hab ich nicht

static lark Jul 17, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Wo denn, Sunset, wenn ich fragen darf?

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Hast du Empfehlungen

deep vessel Jul 17, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Karlsruhe in Baden-Württemberg

static lark Jul 17, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Nürnberg ist richtig schön. Regensburg und Augsburg sind auch beliebt, hab ich gehört.

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Oh ich hab Karlsruhe auch bedenkt

static lark Jul 17, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Ja, ich bin mir sicher, dass Karlruhe nette Gebühren hat.

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Hast du übrigens unsre ganze Unterhaltung ganz durchgelesen? Hast du also gesehen dass ich schon mal in Deutschland studiert habe @static lark

static lark Jul 17, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Ja. ^

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Asso gut

fringe summit Jul 17, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Sun wie hast du diese Stadt gefunden?

deep vessel Jul 17, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Die Stadt ist schön. Das Nachtleben ist nicht so betriebsam aber ich interessiere mich nicht dafür

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Das wichtigste dran ist dass ich an irgendeine deutsche Uni wechseln möchte, aber ich würde Bayern am meisten bevorzugen

deep vessel Jul 17, 2020, 6:36 AM

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Sie war eine der Austauchmöglichkeiten für mein Programm

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leider bin ich nicht mehr dort

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 6:39 AM

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Karlsruhe in Baden-Württemberg
Weißt du was lustig ist? Ich war einmal in irgendeinem Sprachkanal der für deutschsprachige gedacht war, und irgendein Typ meinte so, ich kling so als käme ich aus BW, halt vom Akzent her
Aber der Typ weiß nicht mal wovon er redet weil er selbst nicht aus BW kommt, und als ein Typ aus BW mich das sagen hören hatte, hat er gesagt, ich klinge überhaupt nicht mal so

deep vessel Jul 17, 2020, 6:39 AM

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Es gibt ein Steakhaus dort, das sehr teuer aber sehr sehr ausgezeichnet ist. ich vermisse das auch

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 6:42 AM

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Ich glaube er hat’s vielleicht von der Tatsache her dass meine Stimme eigentlich sehr tief ist und die passt iwie dann zu irgendeinem Stereotyp über BW

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aber nicht die Geringste

dry arch Jul 17, 2020, 7:10 AM

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Keine Ahnung

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Ich lese überhaupt gar keine Bücher

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Vielleicht ist deswegen mein Wortschatz nicht so groß, als er an dieser Stelle sonst gewesen wäre

tame forum Jul 17, 2020, 8:26 AM

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Du kannst mit deiner Recherche auf Wikipedia anfangen, und ganz nach untern kannst du die Quellen für die Informationen in den Artikel finden. Vllt. wirst du etw. dort finden.

static lark Jul 17, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Es gibt dort überwiegend Webseiten und ich suche nach einem Geschenk, also nach etwas weniger Fachlichem, aber danke trotzdem!

exotic barn Jul 17, 2020, 9:51 AM

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Moin

lunar garden Jul 17, 2020, 9:08 PM

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hi people

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how often do you guys get headhunted in Linkedin?

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especially in Germany

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is it very useful to have one, when you are doing IT?

tight kelp Jul 17, 2020, 9:58 PM

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ab und zu

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on the job board there are comparatively better jobs than on other boards i've tried, and I do get replies to some of the emails i send instead of them being ignored in 99% of cases

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but i haven't found a job either way yet so can't say anything on that front

warped atlas Jul 18, 2020, 4:59 AM

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@lunar garden I got my job, being reached out on LinkedIn. It is a consultancy job, but I‘m working on a long term project now for a customer, and been there for nearly 2 years. Every now and then I also get an invite from HR people or scouters on LinkedIn as well as Xing. I think somewhere about once a month or every 1,5 months.

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I am not actively looking however, just putting my profile up there

midnight belfry Jul 18, 2020, 6:28 AM

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Asking about Germany, asking about a nazi sign.

||So I've been watching the TV show called "Dark" and in one of the scenes in the local high school I saw there was a graffiti of a nazi cross... is it something common to see written around? Is it illegal? How do people react?||

shell dragon Jul 18, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Depending on where you are it is definitly possible that you see such a cross and also other nazi signs (sadly) ... the most people just ignore it...but yes, it is illegal

deep vessel Jul 18, 2020, 7:10 AM

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there was one carved into the brickwork of the building i used to flat. the building was technically government owned but had the star of david built into the front door. :/ not hard to put two and two together there

midnight belfry Jul 18, 2020, 7:14 AM

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I'm not putting it together, what's the meaning?

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Sorry @deep vessel

deep vessel Jul 18, 2020, 7:15 AM

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the building i lived in had most likey been stolen from the original owners by hortlers regime

midnight belfry Jul 18, 2020, 7:19 AM

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Ah :/

lunar garden Jul 18, 2020, 7:29 AM

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@warped atlas did you wrote your Linkedin in German or English? and may I see it? :)

warped atlas Jul 18, 2020, 7:42 AM

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English for LinkedIn

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German for Xing

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But that‘s just me

warped atlas Jul 18, 2020, 8:09 AM

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@lunar garden

tight kelp Jul 18, 2020, 9:24 AM

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i think linkedin lets you make different versions for each language now

deep vessel Jul 18, 2020, 10:48 AM

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yep

small hatch Jul 19, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Is it really this bad?

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deep vessel Jul 19, 2020, 4:43 PM

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you'd have to compare it with normal job applocations and compare with the same job types. izm currently hunting for a job in my home country and my numbers ate pretty similar to that except i haven't been offered a job yet.

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so that is to say without comparing data you fan't commwnt on how much language fluency affected their success rate

small hatch Jul 19, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Damn

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This guy says he has B2 level

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Tbf im not really applying for jobs that require german

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But still, its a bit demoralizing

deep vessel Jul 19, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Frankly job hunting is demoralising and you don't get any positive results from most applications

exotic gorge Jul 19, 2020, 4:48 PM

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There have been some other recent visualizations of people's job searches in that sub, and that's pretty normal for all job/internship searches.

deep vessel Jul 19, 2020, 4:48 PM

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your best shot is to send out more applications

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job searching is usually a lot of luck plus a numbers game. the more applications you send the better chances you have of getting an interview

small hatch Jul 19, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Yea i guess it is

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Thank you peepopat

tight kelp Jul 19, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Is it really this bad?
@small hatch is this data collected on just one person? If so you cannot trust it in the least. If it's data for multiple people, you still can't trust it because the sample size is small

amber perch Jul 19, 2020, 5:06 PM

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i guess it depends on the field too

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and how many people you know

tight kelp Jul 19, 2020, 5:08 PM

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do not jump to conclusions assuming fluency (however that is measured¹) is the only thing that matters. What that graph is showing is how stuff went thus far for that particular person in the particular area and field of expertise they applied in, with the particular method they used.

¹ and assuming the OP had a correct estimate for themself. Which is not at all to take for granted. They could gauge themselves as B2 but be worse, for example.

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i've gotten many phone calls for job offers where i later noticed my application was full of mistakes. Sure, some will discard an application just for a typo or incorrect gender/case but that's not all the employers. A combination of the field you're applying in and your background is much more indicative of whether you'll get interviews than the proficiency you can show before that phase

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that said, job hunting has been brutal for me so far, no doubt due in large part to myself. But i also have no data for comparison since i haven't done it elsewhere

small hatch Jul 19, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Yes this is from a single person in that specific field, I guess its a bit easier when applying for jobs that demand specific skills that less people have

tight kelp Jul 19, 2020, 5:17 PM

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if you do have them

small hatch Jul 19, 2020, 5:17 PM

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But in my case i cant really apply for positions that require german so thats a bit more limited

tight kelp Jul 19, 2020, 5:18 PM

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anyway my point was that any one person's experience is worth close to nothing when it comes to gauging what your own chances may be, no matter how beautifully visualised

small hatch Jul 19, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Thats precisely why i asked here

tight kelp Jul 19, 2020, 5:18 PM

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language proficiency is acquired relatively fast if you have specific goals and a good method (or, better yet, absolute need to get good at it)

olive summit Jul 20, 2020, 6:36 PM

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any laws in Germany protecting tenants from rent hikes? if not explicitly stated in the contract

hidden briar Jul 20, 2020, 7:52 PM

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quick google: https://www.finanztip.de/mieterhoehung/

Finanztip

Nicht jede Mieterhöhung ist zulässig

Für Mieterhöhungen gelten klare Regeln. Ob alles seine Richtigkeit hat, können Mieter und Vermieter anhand unserer Checkliste überprüfen.

olive summit Jul 20, 2020, 8:20 PM

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thanks

exotic barn Jul 20, 2020, 9:59 PM

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So I've done a bit of research and I am a bit confused, I want to get a degree in engineering in Germany but in order to do that, I need to get a job. I currently live in the USA.

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So would I apply for a study visa or a standard residence permit? Or both?

sharp peak Jul 20, 2020, 10:17 PM

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is dach a commonly used phrase in german

hidden briar Jul 20, 2020, 10:31 PM

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@exotic barn read the reddit FAQ https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/wiki/studying, you need to prove you can finance your degree, and a part time job (the only one you can get on a study visa; and realisticly do while studying) isn't enough 99% of the time

foggy prism Jul 20, 2020, 10:39 PM

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is dach a commonly used phrase in german
as in referring to the countries? not really in my experience. people tend to be familiar with the abbreviations though and so they can usually work out what it means (if you write it as DACH, not as dach)

exotic barn Jul 20, 2020, 11:15 PM

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Hm I read it over, Im not thrilled but what did I expect lol. Maybe it would be more realistic to learn a trade over here in the US and then move to Germany.

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And when I have a steady income, mabey then I can try for a degree, thanks @hidden briar

humble bough Jul 21, 2020, 8:13 AM

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if you can find a way to finance your costs of living, it's definitely easier to immigrate to Germany from the US as a student

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than as a professional, especially a professional just out of college

foggy prism Jul 21, 2020, 8:17 AM

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not to mention that living and studying in Germany will most likely put you less far into the negatives than studying in the US

humble bough Jul 21, 2020, 8:18 AM

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True but US student loans for bachelor's don't require the money up-front like a german student visa so if it's an undergraduate degree, it's an understandable hurdle

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if you've already got a bachelor's, apply for the DAAD master's scholarship if/when they reopen that. If you don't have a bachelor's yet, the options aren't as good, though if/when they reopen RISE internships those might be appealing.

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currently though stuff for people who don't have DAAD scholarships is p suspended due to corona so it'd have to be something you pursued a bit later

foggy prism Jul 21, 2020, 8:28 AM

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I assume you can’t get a US student loan and then use that as proof of financing, right?

humble bough Jul 21, 2020, 8:30 AM

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depends on the type I guess. You couldn't get one of the governmental ones with better interest rates and such unless your university is on some list of universities that count (iirc when I researched this just in case the DAAD thing didn't work out, most German universities are on the "list of universities that count for purposes of deferring existing student loans" but not on the "list of universities that we'll give you government student loans if you attend")

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Even private student loans often limit themselves to a list like that

warm flume Jul 21, 2020, 1:58 PM

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Hello i have an issue, i'll post it here and please if you have anything useful tell it to me

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i received this 2 weeks ago

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i replied and sent them the first 3 papers, and forgot one

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then i received this

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📎 unknown.png

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so what i did was to reply to this email and resent everything they asked for

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it's been 2 weeks and i didn't receive a reply, and it made me anxious

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i was told from a non official source that such bureaus tend to only contact you if they "need" something, so they wouldn't confirm that everything is correct

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i sent them this email this morning :

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i'm still anxious about the whole situation, i was told it's a luck based situation and if they do a mistake they might ruin my whole process, i've been waiting for my dossier to be processed since the last year

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i tried to phone them but no replies

tight kelp Jul 21, 2020, 2:03 PM

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@warm flume your name's on the last screenshot

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in case you want to remove it

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(can't help on the thing itself sadly)

solemn bay Jul 21, 2020, 2:04 PM

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I deleted it for now.

warm flume Jul 21, 2020, 2:07 PM

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thank you, i'll resend the said picture but it will have it censored

📎 unknown.png

deep vessel Jul 21, 2020, 2:53 PM

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A bit late now but for future emails formal you Sie and other forms of it start with a capital letter otherwise it just means they/them

warm flume Jul 21, 2020, 2:56 PM

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thank you, damn i might have ruined my case even more now 😦

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thought i had everything correct

humble bough Jul 21, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Bureaus like this do tend to only contact you when there's a problem or when there's been a decision, so I wouldn't stress too much about not having heard

shell dragon Jul 21, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Uhm...related to the screenshot:
"Bitte sagen Sie mir, ob alles in Ordnung ist."

olive summit Jul 21, 2020, 5:49 PM

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close enough

warm flume Jul 21, 2020, 7:02 PM

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@humble bough thank you for your informations, can you confirm a myth ? : that they have a bad management and they "might" accidentally ruin my experience with the visa processing due to them, maybe forgetting to answer in time or something in that regards ? thank you!

humble bough Jul 21, 2020, 7:03 PM

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I haven't been through this particular visa processing scenario so I can't confirm the specifics, I just know from experience with other Amts that little to no communication is kinda the norm

quaint stump Jul 22, 2020, 3:14 AM

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how did you address your teachers at school?

minor pivot Jul 22, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Hiy all! I do have a quick question:

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My degree appears in the Anabin database. Do I still need to pay and have it officially verified?

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I am currently working remote for a german Software Development company, but I am supposed to come locally as soon as covid allows.

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OK so looking more closely, my university is inside, but not my specific degree.

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In fact, only two institutions are counted as providing a Computer Science degree you_think_about_that

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We contacted the Central Office for Foreign Education (ZAB) who confirmed that providing proof from Anabin that your institution (Institution) and degree type (Abschlusstyp) is recognised in Germany is sufficient proof in almost all cases when applying for visas.

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OK so Computer Science is covered and my University is covered.

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Sorry if I'm rambling I'm just trying to make sure I don't screw anything up.

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Its 200 EURO to make the statement of camparability.

foggy prism Jul 22, 2020, 6:43 AM

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how did you address your teachers at school?
Sie + Herr/Frau Surname, always

quaint stump Jul 22, 2020, 8:23 AM

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thanks for answering sascha

humble bough Jul 22, 2020, 10:23 AM

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I've got professors who are fine with first name basis but I'm in an English-language masters and it's only the chiller professors. I use "Professor" or "Dr" for the proper professors but I don't mind using first names for postdocs. But maybe I'd be more formal in German idk

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One professor told me to du-zen him in response to me addressing an email to him as Dr Surname rather than his first name, despite that email being in English 😂

foggy prism Jul 22, 2020, 10:55 AM

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oh yea in emails I use titles but not when addressing them in person

humble bough Jul 22, 2020, 3:15 PM

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unrelated to the above -- does anybody know where I can get custom matboard (the paper you put around a picture inside a frame) here? searching for the german translation hasn't given me a ton of luck. I have a bunch of cheap ikea frames but they don't fit the dimensions of the US posters I'm trying to frame, and I don't know where to look for this in Germany

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I live in Berlin if that's relevant

hidden briar Jul 22, 2020, 3:17 PM

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"Bastelkarton"?

olive summit Jul 22, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Hmmm maybe try Müller, they have a sizable arts and crafts section

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or Karstadt

humble bough Jul 22, 2020, 3:42 PM

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"Bastelkarton"?
right kind of paper but I'm looking for one that has been cut to custom dimensions to make a Passepartout to put in a frame

hidden briar Jul 22, 2020, 4:07 PM

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never seen that in a craft store

humble bough Jul 22, 2020, 4:15 PM

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I found a place that does them online so we're good

foggy prism Jul 22, 2020, 8:10 PM

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couldn’t you just get one that’s too big and take a paper cutter to it

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or like you know, one of these. which I have no idea what they’re called in English, in German they’re called Cutter /kʰœtər/ so yea

📎 Cutter.png

olive summit Jul 22, 2020, 8:22 PM

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box cutter

humble bough Jul 22, 2020, 8:51 PM

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I could but I would need a cut-proof table and also the problem with my existing ones (the ones that came with the frame) is that the holes are too wide, which I can't solve with scissors

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so I'd have to go out and buy paper as well as a box cutter which blech

urban falcon Jul 23, 2020, 2:55 AM

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hi! i'm considering moving to germany for my phd and taking it in german (which i would seriously need to learn german well for that) in about 3 years time. my field is in physics and i am interested in theory primarily tho that doesn't mean my phd will be theory. i'm also interested in what the job market looks like for physicists in germany. my ideal position would be at a university in research but other jobs like in industry are ok too for a time tho

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i know this is very niche but it's super hard to google these things in english and get a good response

dry ravine Jul 23, 2020, 10:19 AM

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@urban falcon just from DAAD.de I saw that most higher degrees (masters and above) are taught in English in STEM

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Don't really need C1 German for them

humble bough Jul 23, 2020, 11:36 AM

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I don't know if I'd say "most", but there are many English language degrees in certain subfields of STEM once you're past undergrad

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I don't know how much it's the case for physics specifically

royal finch Jul 23, 2020, 2:12 PM

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Hey, Is there anyone here working in IT field or cyber security in Germany? I have some questions

winged quiver Jul 23, 2020, 2:14 PM

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@deft stone ^

urban falcon Jul 23, 2020, 3:01 PM

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@dry ravine @humble bough thank you

fallen sedge Jul 23, 2020, 4:11 PM

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@fleet pelican

fleet pelican Jul 23, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Hm?

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@urban falcon how well you can get a research position will depend on how many professor you can get a connection to during your time at uni

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But having such a job is a lifetime commitment to get to your goal, you have to be sure you want to stay in academia for the rest of your life

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Theoretical physics is also much harder to get a research position for as opposed to anything else, you really will have to specialise and continue on that track for a long time

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If you want more general advise regarding how it works in the germanspeaking areas then let me know specifically what you're looking for and I'll try to give you a good reply or pass you along to someone who knows better

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Advice*

urban falcon Jul 23, 2020, 7:13 PM

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i already am sure i want to stay in academia. i already do research in academia and i love it and i think i will love it even more when i'm more advanced

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specifically i am looking to do a phd in theoretical physics but i have not chosen a subdiscipline yet. i'm still very young and just thinking ahead

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@fleet pelican

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also i've been preparing for a while for that extremely competitive system because i know it will be hard

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i'm preparing now fresh out of my freshman year doing everything i can

minor pivot Jul 23, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Hello! I have another question about work visa.

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It says you need 45 Euro per day.

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Since work visas are for 1 year (right?) does this mean I need 16425 Euro in my bank account when I apply for the work visa?

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Also, do I need to keep these 16425 in the account at all times, or can I also take Euros out as I'm living there.

foggy prism Jul 23, 2020, 9:59 PM

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the point of that requirement is to prove that you can afford actually being there so that wouldn’t make any sense (but I’ve got no experience with this)

minor pivot Jul 23, 2020, 10:00 PM

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Well I was just reading that you can't use future salary either.

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Which is sort of weird, cause the whole point of a work visa is that I am working.

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If I get fired, I guess I'm not allowed to stay anyway.

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I'm a student fresh out of University. I have money, but I guess not 20,000$ sitting in the bank.

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According to the European Commission information, a foreign applicant applying for a German Visa, must be able to attest possessing 45€/day to the German Embassy or Consulate for the period of stay in German territory.

urban falcon Jul 23, 2020, 11:53 PM

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that's an insane amount of money

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who has that

dry ravine Jul 23, 2020, 11:54 PM

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for a 1 year visa you need 10261 euros

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a bit less actually i think

urban falcon Jul 23, 2020, 11:54 PM

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i've never seen that much money in my entire life

last arrow Jul 23, 2020, 11:54 PM

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😩

urban falcon Jul 23, 2020, 11:54 PM

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the most i've ever had was 1500 usd

last arrow Jul 23, 2020, 11:55 PM

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My aunt keeps saying how cheap universities in Germany are. Well, yeah, maybe but the cost of living there trumps the price of the uni

urban falcon Jul 23, 2020, 11:55 PM

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r u sure about that tho

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cuz compared to the us.......

last arrow Jul 23, 2020, 11:56 PM

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I'm not from the US 🙂

urban falcon Jul 23, 2020, 11:56 PM

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then different game entirely

last arrow Jul 23, 2020, 11:56 PM

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But yeah colleges in the US are crazy exp.

urban falcon Jul 23, 2020, 11:56 PM

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where are you from

last arrow Jul 23, 2020, 11:56 PM

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Indonesia

urban falcon Jul 23, 2020, 11:56 PM

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oh ok

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yea college in the us is impossible to pay for

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i survive 100% off of student loans and scholarships and even then it's not for room and board, i still have to pay for a place to live which is very hard rn

last arrow Jul 23, 2020, 11:57 PM

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Ayy, best of luck

urban falcon Jul 23, 2020, 11:59 PM

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lol thanks

solemn bay Jul 24, 2020, 6:55 AM

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Compared to most countries in the works, Germany is quite cheap with a high quality of life and free, high quality education. That's why a lot of people consider it a good option. @last arrow

last arrow Jul 24, 2020, 6:56 AM

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I think I'm just poor smh FeelsBadMan

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But yea quality of edu in Germany is obv nicer than many countries

solemn bay Jul 24, 2020, 6:58 AM

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Yeah, what I mean is just, overall the stuff you get out of it is high value for how much it costs.

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Like you still have to pay to live, regardless of which country you're in.

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So for many people, going to Germany had cheaper living costs and free education on top of that.

mossy wave Jul 24, 2020, 7:14 AM

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If I am a foreigner, how easy or hard is it to get a job in the EU after graduating from a German university

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Let's say I have a computer science degree or a specialized degree in computer science

warped atlas Jul 24, 2020, 9:36 AM

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@mossy wave Depending on the location you want, and the degree you have. But if you go with what you're saying, I'd say, it's easy enough, cause that's pretty much what I have. I also speak C1 German, so there's that...

solemn bay Jul 24, 2020, 10:43 AM

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Yeah, with a CS degree, I think a reasonable way to see it is you'll be at the higher end of the "job opportunities" spectrum, but of course there's always other factors that affect what jobs are available, so it's not a free job, but good chances nonetheless.

sand goblet Jul 24, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Bit of a long shot aber gibt es jemand, dass die Universitaet Wien besucht?

minor pivot Jul 24, 2020, 2:53 PM

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@dry ravine where did you get that number?

olive summit Jul 24, 2020, 3:07 PM

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I know for a student visa it's a little over 10k euros in a blocked account

exotic gorge Jul 24, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Is that if you're planning on completing your whole degree in Germany? Because I didn't need to have that much money at all for one semester of study.

deep vessel Jul 24, 2020, 3:23 PM

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that much for 12 months

exotic gorge Jul 24, 2020, 3:42 PM

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🤔 That doesn't make much sense to me because I only needed the equivalent of maybe 2000€ for 6 months of study. Why would it jump to 10,000€?

deep vessel Jul 24, 2020, 3:42 PM

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depends on when you go. the amount changes all the time

exotic gorge Jul 24, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Ah, okay

olive summit Jul 24, 2020, 4:06 PM

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its calculated based on average expenses (~855 a month), goes up a bit every year with inflation

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and this is only for long-term visas (i.e. when you're completeing a degree)

deep vessel Jul 24, 2020, 4:08 PM

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12 months study visas also have them

olive summit Jul 24, 2020, 4:09 PM

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its often waived if you're in a study abroad /exchange program

deep vessel Jul 24, 2020, 4:10 PM

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ehhhh probably depends on the bürgerbüro

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wasn't waived when i went

olive summit Jul 24, 2020, 4:10 PM

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yeah true the relationship between the program and foreigner office could have something to do with it

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in our case stuff like insurance and housing was already paid beforehand so it made sense to waive it

humble bough Jul 24, 2020, 4:12 PM

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getting a suitable stipend also fulfills the requirement without technically waiving it

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I think there are a couple of weird exceptions with getting funding from outside sources too iirc? but I don't remember their details and they're def edge cases anyway

olive summit Jul 24, 2020, 4:14 PM

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When I went through the process I was presented with 2 options: 1. 10k euros in a blocked bank account 2. Relative currently living in Germany signing a Verpflichtserklärung (declaring financial support)

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but there are some edge cases as you said

humble bough Jul 24, 2020, 4:23 PM

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yeah stipends essentially take the place of a relative lol

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though it might be more of a paperwork headache for stipends from sources outside Germany

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the DAAD stuff is basically accepted without question though

dry ravine Jul 24, 2020, 4:28 PM

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@minor pivot i did a blocked account, fintiba to be precise, and they wanted about 10k euros for 12 months

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a scholarship usually covers the 10k or part of it

minor pivot Jul 24, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Huh

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I wonder where that 45 euro per day comes from then.

dry ravine Jul 24, 2020, 4:31 PM

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yeah ive never heard about 45/day

minor pivot Jul 24, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Did you have some advisor or something to make sure you did all the papers and stuff corrrectly?

dry ravine Jul 24, 2020, 4:31 PM

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actually fintiba just gives me all my visa documents straight away once i send the money

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just send them 10k

minor pivot Jul 24, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Students have to pay a minimum of 720 euros for each month they plan to be in Germany, and may not withdraw funds until they arrive in the country, nor can they withdraw more than 720 euros per month, unless they have paid more than the minimum amount.

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So its a bit different maybe, since I won't be a student.

dry ravine Jul 24, 2020, 4:33 PM

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i recall seeing the work seeking visa needing that amount

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or job-seeking visa

minor pivot Jul 24, 2020, 4:33 PM

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I should probably pay somebody

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To make sure I don't screw anything up

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Although I'm not sure how much support my company will provide, so I don't want to jump the gun on that.

dry ravine Jul 24, 2020, 4:34 PM

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you'd be surprised how simple it is really

minor pivot Jul 24, 2020, 4:35 PM

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One thing that does confuse me right now is if I am allowed to fly into Germany to make a Visa appointment, or if I need the visa appointment completed in the US.

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The virus makes things confusing.

dry ravine Jul 24, 2020, 4:35 PM

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you're in the US?

minor pivot Jul 24, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Yeah

dry ravine Jul 24, 2020, 4:36 PM

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i live in jordan where we have had zero/1 daily local cases for the past two months so germany is letting us enter easily

minor pivot Jul 24, 2020, 4:36 PM

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As of 2020, the yearly amount is a minimum of €10,236 or €853 per month. The way the process works is:

OK so I guess this also applies to me for a work visa.

dry ravine Jul 24, 2020, 4:36 PM

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tough luck about the US tho

olive summit Jul 24, 2020, 4:36 PM

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yeah Americans cant travel to Europe rn afaik

minor pivot Jul 24, 2020, 4:37 PM

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They sooort of can though. There are exceptions.

dry ravine Jul 24, 2020, 4:37 PM

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yeah but we dont have to do quarantine for example

minor pivot Jul 24, 2020, 4:37 PM

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If I got a confirmed visa (with an appointment on US soil), I would be allowed in.

dry ravine Jul 24, 2020, 4:37 PM

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our university told us we need to do a 15 day quarantine upon entry in germany

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but jordan has no cases so they told us they doubt we'll have to do it

minor pivot Jul 24, 2020, 4:38 PM

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The tricky part is the US embassy is almost impossible to get an appointment with.

humble bough Jul 24, 2020, 4:38 PM

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I'm confused -- why do you need to go through the US embassy?

minor pivot Jul 24, 2020, 4:38 PM

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*consulate

humble bough Jul 24, 2020, 4:39 PM

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that doesn't change my confusion; is requiring that part of the current corona measures?

minor pivot Jul 24, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I can go through the US consulate to have a confirmed German work visa before entering germany.

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Or I can fly into germany and make the appointment/application there.

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Because of corona virus, I do believe I can't enter until I have a valid visa.

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So I'm sort of shuffled into the consulate route

humble bough Jul 24, 2020, 4:40 PM

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ah okay so it's a change due to the current measures, got it

minor pivot Jul 24, 2020, 4:40 PM

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But things change so fast, so I should check again

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Third-country nationals with a long-term right of residence in an EU State and/or in the aforementioned State (residence permit or long-term visa, e.g. for studies or starting a job)

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This is one of the exceptions. I.e., if I can complete the visa process on US soil, it would allow me to enter.

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U.S. citizens may still enter Germany without a visa, if they can show proof of one of the afore-mentioned exceptions to the airline and border authorities. Entry for the sole purpose of a visit or for tourist reasons is therefore still not possible.

sand goblet Jul 25, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Hey! Guten Morgen! I'm doing an exchange next year and I'm a bit confused navigating the u:find

lunar garden Jul 26, 2020, 8:38 PM

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does it make sense to do a master in Computer Science in Germany if you don't want to go towards research? 🤔

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I did Mechatronics during my Bachelors and im planning to work in the field of IT as a software developer

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is it actually better to start another Bachelor in this condition?

humble bough Jul 26, 2020, 9:25 PM

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I don't see much advantage in starting a second Bachelor's over doing a master's -- you can definitely get a masters and then go on to work in industry as a software dev, and if the goal of this second degree is to pivot to a different but related field, a Master's still accomplishes that

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I don't know much about the circumstances under which one would want to do a second Bachelor's rather than a Master's though, as the only people I know who have done multiple Bachelor's degrees did them in fields that were so unrelated as to have pretty much zero overlap

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so someone else with more experience with doing multiple bachelor's degrees might wanna weigh in if their experience/opinion is different

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It's definitely sensible to do a master's degree in a tech field to pivot one's area of study to something related with the goal of working in industry, though, as that's what most of the people in my master's are doing (albeit in a different subfield than you)

lunar garden Jul 26, 2020, 10:21 PM

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@humble bough I am not sure, the thing is the thing that is taught in a masters is usually more research oriented and it is expected that the knowledge in the bachelors were already obtained prior to enrolling

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hence a lot of essentials might be skipped

lunar garden Jul 26, 2020, 10:53 PM

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anybody know whether a 2nd master in Germany would count towards langzeitgebühren?

midnight belfry Jul 26, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Don't know if this is a good place to ask, but how do Germans feel about their Armed Forces? Would you prefer if they were stronger, or weaker? Does it bring any negative memories (about WW2) when people speak of a strong German AF?

humble bough Jul 27, 2020, 6:04 AM

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@lunar garden choosing a CS field that is more interdisciplinary will help with the latter thing -- my master's is in Machine Learning/NLP and as a result those with less math/CS experience take classes on that their first semester, while those with a CS background would take a linguistics crash course for the same reason

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As for programs being research oriented, if you do a master's in something more practical/experimental than theoretical computer science, research is likely going to involve a lot of implementing things, which are probably better experience for a future dev and easier to show to future employers than results from a course where you just took an exam or wrote a paper at the end

scarlet arch Jul 27, 2020, 9:10 AM

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how hard is it to get into a studienkolleg?

warped atlas Jul 27, 2020, 12:29 PM

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@lunar garden that's basically what I did...didn't do research, just lectures and finally a master thesis. And I'm working as a software dev now.

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@midnight belfry best to ask the natives, not here

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@lunar garden is that the one where you have to pay extra if you want to do a second master? Hmmm, not sure, not a lot of foreigners have done something like that. but I'm guessing it could be like the natives, now you pay extra (but in certain states, I thought)

dry ravine Jul 27, 2020, 12:38 PM

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fellas if im studying at a university in Niedersachsen but i wanna live in NRW and take a 2 hour train ride, is it possible?

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can i get a semester ticket for both states?

deep vessel Jul 27, 2020, 12:39 PM

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Not german, but i've done a two hour train commute each way before and it is an awful idea

foggy prism Jul 27, 2020, 12:39 PM

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I can’t comment on the possibility itself but I’ve also had a 2h commute for a while and it got unsustainable fast

deep vessel Jul 27, 2020, 12:39 PM

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yeah i was getting up at 5am and not getting home to 11pm-12am some days :/

foggy prism Jul 27, 2020, 12:39 PM

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1.5h is about as much as I could’ve done I think

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I have a few friends who have done 1.5h consistently for three years now

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but 2 is too much

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also mind, this is 2h with a train system that is actually reliable

deep vessel Jul 27, 2020, 12:40 PM

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the commute also cuts into your ability to work too

foggy prism Jul 27, 2020, 12:40 PM

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from what I hear, commutes using german trains are a disaster

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this is all assuming you mean a daily commute

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2h weekend commute is perfectly fine

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I do that still

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(go home on weekends, stay at flat under the week)

deep vessel Jul 27, 2020, 12:41 PM

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definitely. that's basically my current situation

foggy prism Jul 27, 2020, 12:42 PM

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also a thing to take into account: is that 2h in the same train? or is that “take a bus to a train station, sit in a long-distance train for an hour, then take another small train followed by a bus, and it takes about 2h in total”?

deep vessel Jul 27, 2020, 12:42 PM

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and since i don't have a massive commute i had time to pick up a job which helped cover expenses

foggy prism Jul 27, 2020, 12:42 PM

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the latter is way worse than the former

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2h in the same train means you can actually work if you get a seat with a desk

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either way I don’t recommend it

dry ravine Jul 27, 2020, 12:43 PM

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well the studying will be online so idk how often i'd do that

foggy prism Jul 27, 2020, 12:43 PM

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permanently or only for covid times

deep vessel Jul 27, 2020, 12:43 PM

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and if exams are in person it's easy for a delayed train to fuck your exam big time

dry ravine Jul 27, 2020, 12:43 PM

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just this semester

foggy prism Jul 27, 2020, 12:44 PM

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in that case there’s probably very little reason to be in the same time as the uni rn

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nor to go there regularly

deep vessel Jul 27, 2020, 12:44 PM

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especially if you're renting privately and not in a student dorm though it may be easier to get a place right now

foggy prism Jul 27, 2020, 12:44 PM

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but you’ll want to find accomodation before the next semester starts

deep vessel Jul 27, 2020, 12:44 PM

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as everyone has the same idea of stay at home

dry ravine Jul 27, 2020, 12:45 PM

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i'd stay at my relatives in NRW

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so that cuts the cost of rent for me

foggy prism Jul 27, 2020, 12:48 PM

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yea I mean that sounds perfectly reaosnable for that semester, but I would try to find something for next semester asap

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if you’re stuck on the 2h commute you will not have the energy for apartment-hunting

dry ravine Jul 27, 2020, 12:49 PM

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just staying one exchange semester for now

solemn bay Jul 27, 2020, 2:40 PM

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In my opinion, it really depends a lot on the quality of transport. If it's a nice and reliable train, 2h commute isn't too bad. A great opportunity to read. If it's unreliable, it will be a nightmare to deal with.

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Or if it's just a shit quality train in any way, e.g. bad seats, unclean, anything like that.

foggy prism Jul 27, 2020, 2:44 PM

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yea a big part of why my commute was so untenable was because it wasn’t just a 2h train

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it was a 1h15 train with 45 minutes of overhead getting to and from the main stations

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on the way home I’d arrive, then had to wait for 25 more minutes for my connection

deep vessel Jul 27, 2020, 2:45 PM

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I disagree on the train quality. My commute on the nice clean new trains was just as sucky as on the old dirty ones with broken aircon

solemn bay Jul 27, 2020, 2:45 PM

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If you hate all commuting, that's a different thing.

deep vessel Jul 27, 2020, 2:45 PM

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i don't hate all commuting

foggy prism Jul 27, 2020, 2:46 PM

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I didn’t mind the 1h15 train trip at all tbh

deep vessel Jul 27, 2020, 2:46 PM

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i agree with sascha that 90 minutes would have been tolerable

foggy prism Jul 27, 2020, 2:46 PM

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it was mostly the “alright I’m home… wait no I have to wait another 20 mins here where I can do nothing”

solemn bay Jul 27, 2020, 2:46 PM

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But here for example we have 2 train networks. One is rural and one is metro. I would feel uncomfortable even taking a 30 min commute with the metro ones, because their design is not made for long commutes and they're kinda gross, but 1.5 hours with the rural one is no problem at all.

olive summit Jul 27, 2020, 2:48 PM

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I used to use the DC metro so anything here has been a massive upgrade

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the Schleswig-Holstein trains were the nicest though

solemn bay Jul 27, 2020, 2:48 PM

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And one of the factors I considered when choosing unis was what the connecting transport is. One of the unis I considered would require a shorter train trip but a bus as train-uni connection. Whereas the uni I go to is a longer train trip but uni-train connection is trams, which is WAY nicer.

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Buses suck.

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So that kind of stuff also makes a difference.

olive summit Jul 27, 2020, 2:50 PM

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@dry ravine my old Niedersachsen semesterticket was valid for one line through NRW, if a uni is on a common route between the provinces I imagine it would be valid

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sounds like something that would be on their website

dry ravine Jul 27, 2020, 3:15 PM

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i dont think i can buy a semesterticket in NRW if im not studying in NRW tho

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the closest i can get is Münster

ivory dagger Jul 27, 2020, 8:10 PM

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Is this channel of server about studies stuff? @sullen robin

dry ravine Jul 27, 2020, 8:20 PM

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you can ask that stuff here yeah

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This is your place for any unanswered questions in regard to education, life, work or culture of DACH countries. 🇩🇪 🇦🇹 🇨🇭

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from the info

ivory dagger Jul 27, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Oh that is good!

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@dry ravine you from Deutschland?

tight kelp Jul 27, 2020, 9:13 PM

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natives have a yellow name

dry ravine Jul 28, 2020, 12:17 AM

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No

midnight belfry Jul 28, 2020, 12:34 AM

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I know a lot of Serbians end up in Vienna/ Austria for studies. So I was just wondering why... Do Vienna universities have some good scholarship options? Or just good high education in general? (altho i imagine thats true for all DACH countries)

craggy iron Jul 28, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Hi, I got a junior software engineer offer for 53k at SAP in baden württemberg, is it a good offer?

tight kelp Jul 28, 2020, 7:06 PM

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i don't know about the situation in bawü but it seems in line with what i've seen in my research

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do wait for other opinions though

fleet pelican Jul 29, 2020, 4:14 AM

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@midnight belfry education is free for EU citizens and even then a lot cheaper than other options

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Plus the general living quality in Vienna and Austria makes it easier to survive as a student

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A lot of universities provide financial support also if it's proved their economical situation is dire enough

lunar garden Jul 29, 2020, 11:04 AM

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I heard in the US, a lot of people are getting laid off from covid

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is it also the same in Germany?

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would it be a bad time to look for a job right now?

solemn bay Jul 29, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Yes, it's a bad time right now pretty much everywhere.

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But if you need a job you need a job

lunar garden Jul 29, 2020, 11:06 AM

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thankfully not, I was thinking of looking for one to improve my technical skill(internship and such)

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but if it is a bad time, I guess its much better to do more independent studies for the time being :/

solemn bay Jul 29, 2020, 11:06 AM

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It's never a bad time to apply.

grand patio Jul 29, 2020, 11:06 AM

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Why not both?

lunar garden Jul 29, 2020, 11:07 AM

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...... @grand patio you're a genius, I never thought of it that way lol

oblique sleet Jul 29, 2020, 11:07 AM

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acid_do_mathematics

tight kelp Jul 29, 2020, 11:07 AM

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to clarify Base's initial response, yes it's a bad time of course, but no people are not getting laid off from covid. Germany (and the EU in general) has actual laws in place to protect workers

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though there are people who are losing their jobs over it, it's due to the circumstances and not because of getting fired

lunar garden Jul 29, 2020, 11:09 AM

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ah okay, but im guessing that the demand for new workers would be in all-time low now since people can't get laid off?

deep vessel Jul 29, 2020, 11:10 AM

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not just that but business are having to shut down because of lack of cashflows from during lockdown periods. it all depends on the sector/industry though

lunar garden Jul 29, 2020, 11:10 AM

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what about the IT industry in general since they can technically continue working at home

deep vessel Jul 29, 2020, 11:12 AM

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it professionals tend to be high demand in general so they haven't been hit as bad but there's still a knock-on effect. e.g. if you're an enterprise software company corporations have less money to comisssion new software from those companies

tight kelp Jul 29, 2020, 11:12 AM

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not all can, and many companies are not equipped or ready to do so, or are settling right now so they might not be ready to hire more

deep vessel Jul 29, 2020, 11:13 AM

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generally though, a competitive market is not a good reason to stop applying for jobs. as well, the less jobs you apply for, the less likely you are to get a job

tight kelp Jul 29, 2020, 11:13 AM

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i expect freelance work to be largely unaffected but there will still be a while before companies are able to make use of a remote workplace to an extent comparable to normality

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also there are strict (and obtuse) laws on working from home in germany which may be limiting for many

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e.g. (and i don't know the details well so don't quote me on this) you need to have a room you use only for work

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which means if you're not a rich fuck you don't deserve to work apparently

deep vessel Jul 29, 2020, 11:16 AM

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from what i've read that's in regards to claiming things back on tax

solemn bay Jul 29, 2020, 11:16 AM

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The main thing this job situation will affect though is whether people are choosing to go for further education or not. Like if you were contemplating another degree/cert, doing that instead of job searching (if it's a valid option for you financially) is possibly a better choice for the current situation.

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But other than that, people are looking for jobs exactly the same as before.

tight kelp Jul 29, 2020, 11:17 AM

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friend of mine (engineer) had to buy and set up an extra desk just for work. Not sure if it was a directive from his company rather than the law

deep vessel Jul 29, 2020, 11:17 AM

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i'm pretty sure there are people here working from home without a separate office room in their home

tight kelp Jul 29, 2020, 11:18 AM

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i mean, i doubt anyone can come into your home to check without your permission anyway

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but still

lunar garden Jul 29, 2020, 11:18 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/hz5a81/data_from_1_year_of_applying_for_software/

r/cscareerquestions - Data from 1 Year of Applying for Software Eng...

1,049 votes and 366 comments so far on Reddit

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this guy got rejected by 700+ companies, that is why im a bit scared ._.

deep vessel Jul 29, 2020, 11:19 AM

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it also makes more sense in terms of tax laws as that's how they normally work. e.g. if you use your computer 7 hours a day for work, but then 9 hours a day for watching youtube videos you can't claim the purchase on tax

solemn bay Jul 29, 2020, 11:19 AM

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Don't be scared. Just be prepared to spend a long time looking.

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Being scared will just make you less likely to apply, which will lower your chances.

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And you can apply to a lot of people in a single day. Like you can research and apply to 100 companies if you want to, in a single day. You probably won't, but I'm just pointing that out to explain why 700 is not that scary of a number.

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And the numbers vary a lot anyway.

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Someone could get hired in their first interview, or first 10, first 100, anything.

deep vessel Jul 29, 2020, 11:25 AM

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the quality of your applications also determines things. e.g. on top of cover letter and resume, applications often ask you for things like your gpa. that guy didn't mention it but it may be something stinky like a 1.5. And there are often psychometric tests that come with job applications which he might be really shit at. His data only accounts for interviews, not other steps of the application process

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Most of his applications, especially early on were in the San Francisco area which is full of new grads all looking to become the next zuckerberg. he also applied for a fucktonne in korea without any sign on his resume or cover letter that he actually speaks korean

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and tbh his cover letter reads pretty lackluster

tight kelp Jul 29, 2020, 11:29 AM

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this guy got rejected by 700+ companies, that is why im a bit scared ._.
@lunar garden and what of? All he's lost is time, but he has hopefully acquired some experience in job hunting and surely a lot of confidence—i know that's the case for me.
And don't forget for a moment that even though there's charts and all, that data is from one guy in one place looking in one sector with his own method. Super-specific data can never be accurately applied to the general case.

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it seems to be a quantitative strategy, which is bound to have a huge failure rate

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personally i get a decent amount of phonecalls considering how comparatively little time i spend applying, but i do put effort into each application (even though i try to streamline it as much as possible because it's draining work)

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the worst part is that there's no real way to know if and what you're doing wrong, but that shouldn't stop you from trying more. If you don't try, you fail 100% of the time

jade warren Jul 29, 2020, 11:35 AM

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Well, you can always ask people you've applied to what was wrong with your application

tight kelp Jul 29, 2020, 11:35 AM

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sure, if they do reply ;)

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most of the time you just get the usual corporate bullshit, "we were unable to find a position suitable for your competences"

deep vessel Jul 29, 2020, 11:36 AM

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it's harder to ignore a phone call than an email ;)

tight kelp Jul 29, 2020, 11:36 AM

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it's also harder to make a phone call than an email

jade warren Jul 29, 2020, 11:36 AM

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A friend of mine recently applied to somewhere, was rejected, asked to know what the reason for it was, they invited her for a call to talk it out, during that call decided to give her an interview, and she got the job yesterday

tight kelp Jul 29, 2020, 11:36 AM

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i'm not very comfortable on the phone

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A friend of mine recently applied to somewhere, was rejected, asked to know what the reason for it was, they invited her for a call to talk it out, during that call decided to give her an interview, and she got the job yesterday
@jade warren this is where and for what field

jade warren Jul 29, 2020, 11:39 AM

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Germany, Education/Copy

tight kelp Jul 29, 2020, 11:43 AM

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not my field but i guess i should give the "hi why u do dis" card a try

jade warren Jul 29, 2020, 11:48 AM

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Certainly worth a try, worst case scenario even if they roast you you can improve your application/CV going forward

humble bough Jul 29, 2020, 2:08 PM

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but it may be something stinky like a 1.5.
*sighs in german grading system* wish I had a 1.5

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I'm terrified of applying for jobs too can't wait to finish my master's next semester yayyyyyy

foggy prism Jul 29, 2020, 2:10 PM

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“gpa” indicates american system to me tbh

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where as I understand it anything below 3.99 is garbage

deep vessel Jul 29, 2020, 2:11 PM

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lmao

humble bough Jul 29, 2020, 2:11 PM

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lmao 3.0 and above is passable in the US system

foggy prism Jul 29, 2020, 2:11 PM

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I kid. but I mean I don’t think people would call german grade averages gpa

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that acronym is american

humble bough Jul 29, 2020, 2:12 PM

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yeah fair but I'd probably use it unthinkingly myself to refer to my german grades so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

foggy prism Jul 29, 2020, 2:12 PM

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I didn’t even consider that they could mean german grades

humble bough Jul 29, 2020, 2:12 PM

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god how do you ever get a 1.5 in the US scale

deep vessel Jul 29, 2020, 2:12 PM

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and you can tell the germaness of a grade by the comma

humble bough Jul 29, 2020, 2:12 PM

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lmao

deep vessel Jul 29, 2020, 2:13 PM

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a 1,5

foggy prism Jul 29, 2020, 2:13 PM

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stupid dschörmens with their weird commas

humble bough Jul 29, 2020, 2:13 PM

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I still don't understand what a good grade is but I think my current 2,0 average is officially okay

foggy prism Jul 29, 2020, 2:14 PM

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grades are weird. as I understand it at my uni, for bsc a 5 is a really good grade and for msc it’s like okay

deep vessel Jul 29, 2020, 2:14 PM

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i can't say this with any certainty but i think germans are less anal about grades in general too

humble bough Jul 29, 2020, 2:14 PM

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that's reassuring

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I gotta start looking to see if any companies have master's thesis topics open that I can do with them soon

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I'm sure this is a great time for that

foggy prism Jul 29, 2020, 2:15 PM

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oof you have to do something practical with a company for your thesis?

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I pity you applied people :P

humble bough Jul 29, 2020, 2:16 PM

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we don't have to but I figure doing that gives me a better chance of getting hired afterwards

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plus, pre-corona there was the commute to consider for meetings -- companies will be in berlin whereas my advisor is in golm

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now that everythings remote though it's not the end of the world

tight kelp Jul 29, 2020, 2:19 PM

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i can't say this with any certainty but i think germans are less anal about grades in general too
@deep vessel from what i've heard of the american job hunting world, it's hard to be more anal than them, at least for well-established positions like at big companies and such

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which is idiotic imo because it relies too much on the assumption that grading people on a scale is a good representation of... whatever they think school performance represents

humble bough Jul 29, 2020, 3:09 PM

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all the advice I'd been given about applying for jobs in the US were pretty explicit that grades don't matter much once you graduate

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but idk i haven't gotten a real job in either market

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The only context in which grades definitely matter (though afaik in both countries) is if you want to pursue further higher ed (like a PhD or smth)

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again, all secondhand tho

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I have like no experience actually job-hunting in either country and that's the whole reason I'm terrified of applying for jobs 😅

tight kelp Jul 29, 2020, 3:48 PM

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all i can tell you is that job hunting is a skill of itself, so you'll suck at first but if you keep trying and doing your research you get better at it

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it still isn't giving the results i hoped for to me, but i did manage to make it less stressful, more efficient, and more effective (even though it's evidently not effective enough yet)

mild quiver Jul 31, 2020, 12:15 PM

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for taxes an app is asking me for my current address, but it specifies that it's the address "i live at and am registered at" as going to the bürgeramt is a pain, i haven't reregistered at my new address. the app says my tax statement will be sent to this address. in this situation since i obviously can't register by today, should i just use the old address i'm registered at and forget about the paper (is a digital copy sent also?), or give them my current address even though i'm not registered here

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the app says it'll be sent to "this address" but i'm unsure if it means the address i input, or the one i'm registered at and that it simply assumes the address i give will be the same

hidden briar Jul 31, 2020, 12:50 PM

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Did you just move within the Kreis / kreisfreie Stadt? If not you also need to send it to a different Finanzamt. Get your current address registered ASAP

deep vessel Jul 31, 2020, 12:53 PM

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I never had to pay taxes in germany, but based on all my interactions with german bureaucracy, they don't believe in digital copies.

tight kelp Jul 31, 2020, 1:07 PM

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you can get your tax confirmation (whatever the actual name of the thing is) digitally, i did it for my steuererklärung this year

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but you still need a registered address (which is mandatory; you should register yourself within iirc 14 days after you moved). Now whether the app you're using allows you to get it digitally and not by post, depends on the app, but if you do it through official means (e.g. Elster, the finanzamt online portal) you certainly can

mild quiver Jul 31, 2020, 3:01 PM

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i'll just register on my next day off then

deep vessel Jul 31, 2020, 3:05 PM

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i recommend booking your appointment now as the queue is typically long af and the appointments get booked out yonks in advance

tight kelp Jul 31, 2020, 5:07 PM

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i've always done it without appointment and my city isn't even small 👀

mild quiver Jul 31, 2020, 10:33 PM

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first thing the tax app did was message back pointing out my addresses didn't match and to send proof of a rental contract (with a note adding we know how difficult it is to contact the bürgeramt as of lately due to covid) so emailed the requested info to them and everything worked out

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now i can put off going to the bürgeramt for even longer bc god i hate there

fleet pelican Aug 1, 2020, 8:01 AM

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Lmfao

long ridge Aug 1, 2020, 6:29 PM

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hat dieser Kanal ein besonderes Ziel, worüber spricht man hier

foggy prism Aug 1, 2020, 6:30 PM

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long ridge Aug 1, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Oh okay

olive summit Aug 1, 2020, 10:37 PM

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ADAC the only accepted place to get a translation of your foreign driver's license? its a bit pricey

random shore Aug 2, 2020, 11:02 AM

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Is that what the German-speaking countries are called? DACH?

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Omg it makes so much sense now

deep vessel Aug 2, 2020, 11:09 AM

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deutschland austria and confoederatio helvetica.
i don't know if dach is at all an official acronym but it makes for a pun

foggy prism Aug 2, 2020, 11:29 AM

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idk if there is such a thing as an “official” acronym (official by whose regulations?) but it’s kinda common

cursive vortex Aug 2, 2020, 12:00 PM

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There are official country codes, so maybe it's derived from that or smth

foggy prism Aug 2, 2020, 12:02 PM

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these are the country codes found on number plates

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unsure if they’re used elsewhere

cursive vortex Aug 2, 2020, 12:02 PM

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There is an ISO standard for country codes

foggy prism Aug 2, 2020, 12:03 PM

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those are two-letter

hidden briar Aug 2, 2020, 12:47 PM

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(DE-AT-CH)

amber perch Aug 2, 2020, 12:50 PM

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TIL Austria uses A instead of Ö

tight kelp Aug 2, 2020, 1:09 PM

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(DE-AT-CH)
gesundheit

sour coyote Aug 2, 2020, 1:41 PM

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hallo

green ermine Aug 2, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Hi. How can I join Junghaus in my area

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Or who can tell me about it and what they do

formal bloom Aug 3, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Hallo, ist es in Deutschland die Sitte, dass man z.B. eine Woche oder kurz vor dem Ausbildungs- / Arbeitsstart dem Teamleiter oder Manager Email schreibt, um sich bei ihm zu melden und nochmals die Begeisterung bzw. Freude auf die Arbeit zu äußern?
Oder ist eine solche Email eher überflüssig?

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Nach meiner Erfahrung fühlt sich der Email-Austausch mit Deutschen sehr direkt an. Die Emails handeln sich nur um die wichtigen Sachen

verbal linden Aug 3, 2020, 5:09 PM

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hab noch nie davon gehört

formal bloom Aug 3, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Alles klar, danke :)

olive summit Aug 3, 2020, 9:47 PM

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recommendations for internet providers?

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https://eazy.de/

eazy

Echte Internet-Flatrate ohne Limits zu einem Preis, der bleibt.

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they seem to be the cheapest

tropic edge Aug 4, 2020, 4:19 AM

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I'd say check what your options are first. You could do that on check24, I think. That'll give you an idea of what is available in your building/area. Then you could look at all the tariffs and pick and choose what best fits your need (there are also student/young people tariffs so that's nice). The initial costs were lowkey pretty high for me tho, given I had to buy a router and all that jazz

warm flume Aug 4, 2020, 11:03 AM

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Hello guys

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so i got this email from the visa office and idk how to solve the second issue

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i can send them the first document but idk what should i do to solve the second document's issue, i already sent them a paper that i'll be living in the campus, which doesn't indicate truly that i'll be guarranteed to have a place there

tropic edge Aug 4, 2020, 11:15 AM

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a rental contract may suffice as proof

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but because you don't have that, I really don't know. Maybe if you could tell us more about the visa type and stuff

warm flume Aug 4, 2020, 11:51 AM

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shengen, i'll go to study

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i'm still in my home country

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so i can't have a rental contract

tropic edge Aug 4, 2020, 12:04 PM

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When I was asked for a similar document, I had to rent an apartment with my language school for a month and that was enough as proof. Not sure if it'll be in your case. But maybe try asking if for your initial period of stay you could have a hotel room/ hostel until you find something while being in the city.

warm flume Aug 4, 2020, 12:08 PM

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so from my understanding i'll go book for a hotel from my home country ?

tropic edge Aug 4, 2020, 12:11 PM

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I'd say its best to check with the office what they consider to be a place of residence ( maybe they need you to stay a place where you could register yourself).

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you cant register yourself at the cityhall with a stay at a hotel

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@warm flume i meant cant, sorry i just corrected so dont get the wrong idea

warm flume Aug 4, 2020, 4:24 PM

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@tropic edge is there a website or smthing where i can browse for rooms to rent ? or a WG or anything ? just to get the document please ?

tropic edge Aug 4, 2020, 8:25 PM

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@warm flume yeah there are quite a few. You can check facebook groups for your city for students or for apartment search

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you could also check wg-gesucht

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ebay kleinanzeige usually has some too

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maybe studentenwohnung and the name of the city you are planning to stay in

odd bison Aug 5, 2020, 4:55 AM

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so from my understanding i'll go book for a hotel from my home country ?
@warm flume yes its enough for Shengen

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afaik you can just book something on booking and then make a refund

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later

exotic barn Aug 5, 2020, 8:21 AM

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@warm flume As a student in university?

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Never mind, your image says DSH-kurs.

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Something I can recommend is if you have a facebook, is to find the apartment search group at your destination. Beware of scams.

warm flume Aug 5, 2020, 11:02 AM

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@odd bison can you please provide more info on this ? i heard i can just book and not pay just so that i can get the document that i can submit, then in i case i fail to acquire a visa i can cancel it, right ? thank you!

exotic barn Aug 5, 2020, 11:47 AM

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Woah2, lying to ABH is not a good idea.

warm flume Aug 5, 2020, 11:51 AM

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lying ?

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i'm not gonna lie, i'll book, get the document that i booked, and i'll live where i booked but just in case i don't get the visa i'll cancel

exotic barn Aug 5, 2020, 12:07 PM

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We are still not sure if hotel actually satisfies the ABH of your destination.

odd bison Aug 5, 2020, 5:02 PM

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@odd bison can you please provide more info on this ? i heard i can just book and not pay just so that i can get the document that i can submit, then in i case i fail to acquire a visa i can cancel it, right ? thank you!
@warm flume just plain experience

pale stream Aug 5, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Hey guys any German speakers here who were living abroad and went to Germany for work? Got a few questions I'd like to ask

warped atlas Aug 6, 2020, 6:00 AM

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@pale stream I don‘t get what you mean, but if you‘re asking for immigrants of Germany (even Non-EU) who came for work, and can speak German, I might be of assistance.

exotic barn Aug 6, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Bruh

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Why u guys wanna learn german

fair talon Aug 6, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Question: my new job is asking for my Rentenversicherungsnummer, but the only document I can find that seems similar is the Versichertennummer from AOK (my insurance provider), and my Persoenliche Idnetifikationsnummer. Is it either of these? And if not, how do I go about finding it? 😅

hallow oyster Aug 6, 2020, 4:01 PM

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@fair talon if I'm not mistaken, they need to get the number.
In case you just registered here, you'll only get that ID, and you need to get number from health insurance
and then the company you start working for will request issuing the other numbers

So, just say to your company that you're new here and they should know what to do

This number should arrive in your post after company requests it from whoever they need to ask

So, either talk with company to remind them it is their job or leave blank :)

fair talon Aug 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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I've been in Germany a year 😅 so not new. Just was wondering if that was it, since I never did get the form I'm seeing online

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Looks like I just never got the number lol

hallow oyster Aug 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Hm, should arrive via snail mail
However I do remember when my hubby got one and I can locate the paper, but can't recall if I got one at all, maybe not

But, if you were working, then maybe it says somewhere on monthly salary report
Or that yearly tax report

Sorry, forgot, didn't use that 🤣

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But, if you weren't working, it wasn't issued. The first employer has to request it, then it's issued.

fair talon Aug 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Ah, that makes sense. Yeah, first time working here, so that's probably the case

hallow oyster Aug 6, 2020, 4:06 PM

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That's the number under which your contribution towards pension is paid
And that usually goes from salary
So, no salary, no need for number, no number 😂

fair talon Aug 6, 2020, 4:08 PM

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I'll just let them know the numbers I know (Versichertennummer and the personal ID) and ask them to do it like you said 😂

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Ah, Bürokratie

warped atlas Aug 6, 2020, 4:09 PM

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You get it via snail mail, Jake

hallow oyster Aug 6, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Yoy can just say 'this is my first job here, so I guess number wasn't issued yet, I believe you know what needs to be done'

warped atlas Aug 6, 2020, 4:09 PM

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otherwise, you have to go directly to them, the RV guys

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and ask for your number

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they can print it out for you on the spot

hallow oyster Aug 6, 2020, 4:09 PM

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I have more papers for 3 years I'm living here than I had for 34 years in my country of origin 😂

warped atlas Aug 6, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Which is why I scan them all

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so I can find them quickly on my phone, just in case!

hallow oyster Aug 6, 2020, 4:10 PM

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I did some, but I'm lazy to do all 🤣

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And I forgot where I've put it / downloaded it 😂

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I think most bizarre one was signing I don't know how many papers, mostly GDPR related when I was admitted to the hospital
In maybe 3 copies even
I don't know, my stack was definitely one dead tree 🤣

I guess I can throw that away now, but I'm not sure 😂

fair talon Aug 6, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Ugh, the RV folks are an hour+ commute away.
I'll just see if the company can do it 😂

hallow oyster Aug 6, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Yeah, lazy approach works :)
Also, snail mail is surprisingly fast here, I mean, you send a letter, they resolve and you receive the response in like 2-3 working days, or less. Crazy fast :D

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Just a tip, in case they don't work with emails, there still are papers before the long commute :)

fair talon Aug 6, 2020, 4:16 PM

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I'm going to take a wild guess and just if any papers are missing, it can be blamed on the asshole/idiot landlord of the first flat I stayed in. I could easily see her just throwing something like that out >_>

humble bough Aug 6, 2020, 6:56 PM

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I definitely got my Rentenversicherungsnummer in the mail after I started my first job, but I don't remember whether that was sent automatically or whether it was the number I had to fill in some form online for them to send me. There's so many numbers I stg

exotic barn Aug 7, 2020, 2:17 PM

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hey guys! i am trying to move to germany next month but i am a bit lost... can i have some advice on where to search for a flat or which cities are cheaper?

dry ravine Aug 7, 2020, 4:42 PM

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@exotic barn try wg-gesucht for starters. As for city idk tbh, I guess the choice depends on where you wanna work or study

exotic barn Aug 7, 2020, 4:55 PM

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@dry ravine okay danke!

fair talon Aug 7, 2020, 5:02 PM

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https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Germany
If you scroll down, Numbeo's cost of living for Germany has a list of 19 major german cities ranked by cost of living

Cost of Living in Germany

Average prices of more than 40 products and services in Germany. Prices of restaurants, food, transportation, utilities and housing are included.

hallow oyster Aug 7, 2020, 5:08 PM

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I can only say, not München or Berlin, insanely expensive rents if you want something nice or decent.
I don't know if other cities are crazy like Berlin, but here you can't get a flat if you don't have bunch of paperwork ready, and mostly that means having recommendations from previous landlord, speaking German / having an agent, having schufa (and in order to get it you need to register), salary information / contract (but only if company is famous), we even needed CVs 😂 .

And renting regular flats mean they're empty (some don't have floors even, but rarely nowadays, often still they don't have kitchen), and at lest year long rent is asked in contract with 3 months cancellation (but depending on the contract you can't cancel before that one year passes)

The way we entered the pool is that we used wunderflats for a few months (they offer fully furnished flats, for even bigger amounts), and get papers then spend a few months in searching. At the end we used them for 6 months. That was in 2017 and when we were at viewings, flats under in 800-1000 eur range for 70-90 sqm flat had 30-50+ people who were interested in them, for those 1100-1200 we were the only one. My friends were searching last year, now the same huge numbers of those who want the same type of flat is for those in 1200 eur range, I don't wish to know how many dozens are for the flats that cost 800 - 1000.

Prices are cold, so, no utilities, that goes on top.

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@exotic barn so, check your budget and for how long you plan to stay, and then choose wisely.

Common sites for finding a flat is immobilien24 and immoscout, they cover a bunch of cities.

And they do have some flat sharing ads, but those go away even faster than flats, in Berlin.

But you can check prices at least.

fair talon Aug 7, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Facebook groups can also be a really good way to find flats. That's how I found my last two 😅

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What's nice with those is you can set up "notify my when new posts are made to this group" on the group settings, so you can get a notification the instant a new post is made (in a lot of cities, the affordable shit requires you to be super quick to message or else you'll get lost in a sea of applicants)

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Ex: I messaged my current landlord ~20 minutes after they posted. They told me they took down the post an hour later because they had 50 applicants already (this was for a 500€ warm rent room in a shared flat, Hamburg)

exotic barn Aug 7, 2020, 5:35 PM

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omg.. dindt know it was that difficult

hallow oyster Aug 7, 2020, 5:35 PM

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@fair talon yup, being fast means minutes not days. Those who are up for days probably have some issue 😂 common one is that when you see it, you realise it's not worth that money

exotic barn Aug 7, 2020, 5:37 PM

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so you need all that paperwork to rent a flat?

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i was thinking about renting something next month and in the meantime looking for a job there

hallow oyster Aug 7, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Usual German empty flat, yes

tight kelp Aug 7, 2020, 5:38 PM

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do you need to be in berlin of all places?

exotic barn Aug 7, 2020, 5:39 PM

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what do u mean

hallow oyster Aug 7, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Then you definitely should look at rooms or airbnb and similar (like that wunderflats, there are several agencies like them)
And definitely check with a place if you CAN register there, otherwise it's wasted money since you can't get papers.

So yeah, unless you're ready for that, high budget and job ready, I wouldn't recommend Berlin

exotic barn Aug 7, 2020, 5:40 PM

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oh yeah berlin wasnt an option for me haha

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i thoght about the airbnb option

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maybe start with that and while im there figure out all the paperwork and job stuff

hallow oyster Aug 7, 2020, 5:40 PM

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You didn't say where
I just wanted to warn you against Berlin

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But definitely check if you can register in that airbnb

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Some won't allow if you stay less than 3 months

exotic barn Aug 7, 2020, 5:41 PM

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okay i get it

hallow oyster Aug 7, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Ok, speaking for berlin, but double check the facts

exotic barn Aug 7, 2020, 5:41 PM

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thanks bro

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now im just stressed and fucked but thanks

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haha

hallow oyster Aug 7, 2020, 5:41 PM

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However I think it's similarly crazy in big German cities
So, check smaller ones

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Better be stressed now, than come and then couldn't figure out what to do :)

exotic barn Aug 7, 2020, 5:42 PM

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yeah!

hallow oyster Aug 7, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Check prices on some of that big immo sites, they're good for getting the ballpark

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I don't know in which industry you want to work in, but I'd also recommend checking how's the job situation in the city you decide that rent is doable

So, don't come and then rely on luck
Prepare yourself :)

exotic barn Aug 7, 2020, 5:44 PM

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yeah, im a physiotherapist

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ive been highly recommended to go to germany

hallow oyster Aug 7, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Hm, I think those jobs might need some approval from Germany in order to be allowed to work in the field
I know nurses and doctors need something
Check that out

exotic barn Aug 7, 2020, 5:46 PM

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yeah i have all that sorted out no

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np

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i was just wondering how the heck could i start living there 😂

hallow oyster Aug 7, 2020, 5:47 PM

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I joined fb group for berlin in english, i think expats in berlin, and suffered from all those posts there but it definitely helped me figure out what to check
And many things you need to do aren't berlin only stuff anyway

exotic barn Aug 7, 2020, 5:48 PM

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ill check them out then

tropic edge Aug 7, 2020, 5:48 PM

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lol berlin is a mess just saying

hallow oyster Aug 7, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Because there's so much to do and information unfortunately isn't at one place

But do check those pages for immigration, I think they did have something useful, I just didn't find them at the beginning

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@tropic edge mess is being really polite 😂

exotic barn Aug 7, 2020, 5:49 PM

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i was thinking about the south of germany

hallow oyster Aug 7, 2020, 5:49 PM

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'place to lose sanity' is better description 🤣

tropic edge Aug 7, 2020, 5:49 PM

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so bin ich haha, maybe someone could see its hidden beauty

hallow oyster Aug 7, 2020, 5:52 PM

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München is similar craziness, with even higher prices from what friend told me. Stuttgart I think also.

I'd probably look at cities with less than 1 million people, they should hopefully be less crazy. So, use numbeo and Wikipedia to find out first few cities to look deeper into.

fair talon Aug 7, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Yeah, tbh, I did AirBNB for the first 2 or so months in Germany.
Its honestly pretty impossible to do anything remote, and there's no guarentee that you'll find something right away ^^"

tight kelp Aug 7, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Good thing about Germany is that it's not one of those countries where there's only one or two cities that amount to anything and the rest is worthless. There are many cities all over that you could move to

fair talon Aug 7, 2020, 5:57 PM

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^Keep in mind, the city I'm talking about is Hamburg, one of the most expensive ones (think its like #3 or #4). Its a bit more sane in the smaller ones

hallow oyster Aug 7, 2020, 5:59 PM

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@tight kelp yeah, I think @exotic barn can find a job in many cities with his field

frigid trail Aug 8, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Do people in Germany use the phone etc and other languages in English or in Deutsch?

fair talon Aug 8, 2020, 1:24 AM

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Most Germans I've seen use the Germam language setting on their phones/computers, if that's what you're asking 👀

frigid trail Aug 8, 2020, 2:02 AM

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Nice
I have changed my phone language to German to help learn
But most people from where I live use English and not the native language so I wanted to know!

pale seal Aug 8, 2020, 4:50 AM

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@exotic barn its pretty expensive but like compared to the US its at least comparable. I lived there for 10 months as a exchange student so its a bit different but I still have experience with that. I lived in Hamburg and ive been to most of the large cities of Germany. The infrastructure is so good there that you can really go wherever you want with a train and like @tight kelp said its one of the large European countries so there are a lot of options. I personally really like Hamburg more than Berlin but Munich is also really nice. Berlin they didn't really have the space to build a lot of stuff so its pretty packed but there's a lot of history there if you are into that stuff.

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 8:34 AM

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Warning against Berlin is kinda silly imo because the prices are not very high in the grand scheme of things and getting an apartment in Berlin is not harder than in any of the surrounding cities

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It's hard to get anything remotely though, I will concur -- staying in a hostel or other short-term furnished place while you search is probably better

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Berlin's problem tends not to be prices (unless you have insanely unreasonable standards) but rather availability

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My warm rent here is cheaper than my warm rent in the Midwestern US was, and I'm in a 2-person WG not a 3-person one

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But it took me 3 months of searching and I only got this spot because one of my classmates was looking for someone to sublet a room in his flat -- I've yet to have any success on WG gesucht or anything

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This is definitely not unique to Berlin though -- if anything, the craziness is worse in other nearby cities like Potsdam and Brandenburg an der Havel

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I don't think it's a problem you can easily avoid based on the city in Germany, as my impression is that getting an apartment is hard like this in most places in Germany, certainly most of the big cities.

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ofc smaller places will be less crazy but how feasible that is depends on your goals

tight kelp Aug 8, 2020, 8:57 AM

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it's not about the surrounding cities, and arguably it's not even about berlin specifically. It's about "why default to berlin?" Germany is a big place, if you have no particular reason to go to Berlin specifically, don't do it.

deep vessel Aug 8, 2020, 9:08 AM

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when i visited berlin i found it pretty dirty and unappealing tbh.
i agree that unless there's something you specifically like about berlin take a look at the other cities and see what options are out there

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 9:42 AM

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@humble bough I don't know, for me 1000-1500 on rent is a lot. But it depends on your salary.
Many people in Berlin don't have more than 2000-2500 netto

Also @exotic barn for regular rent (empty flat) they probably won't even consider renting a flat to you if that rent is more than 1/3 of your salary.

Don't know the rules for rooms, wasn't interested in that.

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 9:43 AM

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that's higher than the average in most of berlin

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 9:43 AM

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@deep vessel it definitely depends on the area. I like west part, it's clean, full of trees and birds. So think Charlottenburg, Wilmersdorf.

Kreuzberg, Alexanderplatz, Neukölln, Fshain, I feel like they're dirty, yeah

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 9:44 AM

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I have 1200 a month netto (I'm a student) and am paying >450€ a month warm for a room in a 2-person WG in wilmersdorf (inside the ring)

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You can definitely rent apartments with the high rents you mention in Berlin, but that'd be for quite nice places very close to Mitte or one of the trendy districts

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outside the ring it also gets cheaper quite quickly, though ofc then you're compromising on your commute and such

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 9:45 AM

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Consider yourself lucky.
My friends were looking for a flat, 2 bedroom and they pay around 1500 warm, around 80 sqm, uhlandstraße

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But south south

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 9:46 AM

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Uhlandstraße is p central lmao

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the impression I've gotten from others I've spoken to at get-togethers is that my rent isn't particularly egregious (either on the high or low end)

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 9:47 AM

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But it also depends what you want from a flat. I live on ring itself and pay the same 😂
But I live in new building, and theirs is really old with mold.
I don't think the price for theirs is the same

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 9:47 AM

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I like look out on a ringbahn station myself lol

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my building definitely isn't old but it's not brand new either, just your standard concrete stuff

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 9:48 AM

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What is possible is that you share a flat where original owner has old rent. What I'm saying are the prices for empty flats and rents today

Old rents with old contract are a gem

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 9:49 AM

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I mean, the rent freeze is sorta a thing now, I've seen lots of flats listed with rents near what I pay now but with lower prices listed due to the rent freeze

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Check immoscout and see how much cost similar flats in your area where new contract is to be done

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 9:49 AM

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but ofc there's all the legal squabbles about that

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I've checked Immoscout; it'd be more expensive to get a single flat than I pay now but prices are not that much higher for doubles

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Rent freeze is generally bad idea. Already poor flats won't get proper maintenance because of it :/

Like roof repairs and similar.

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 9:50 AM

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I'm not arguing about politics of it and idc your opinion tbh, I'm just saying that it's a thing

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I've seen two-bedroom flats for almost as little as I currently pay for people willing to live outside the ring too tbh, prices go down really fast the further you get from mitte

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 9:51 AM

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I don't know, to me paying 1500 warm for a flat which gets mold because roof needs repair and won't get it is insanely expensive

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 9:52 AM

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well that's not the standard rent level in my experience of searching for flats and also living in one (which my roommate rented only a couple years ago afaik but idk for sure)

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unless you refuse to live anywhere that isn't very central

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Berlin's rent prices consistently are ranked as quite low compared to other comparable european cities

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certainly compared to other european capitals

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finding an apartment is horrible, as you've said, but the prices are quite low compared to other european capitals and to the other huge german cities (like munich and such)

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 9:54 AM

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That doesn't mean they're not insanely expensive

As I said, many people work for around 2000-2500 netto
And with that, you can forget to rent a flat that's for family, so 2 bedroom, with one salary only

But let me check my area now, maybe that rent freeze really brought something

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 9:54 AM

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A lot of the listings put the high price on the listing and then hide the rent freeze price in the description, I've noticed

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I agree that it's not feasible to rent a family flat on one salary, but that isn't abnormal in this day and age

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unfortunately

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but Berlin is certainly not uniquely expensive among German or even European cities

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it is way cheaper than many of the big alternatives, depending on what someone's looking for in a city

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I have a friend in Pankow who's paying ~€400 a month I think... but idr if that's her part in a WG or if its just a normal flat price

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and I know her contract is brand new

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I think she has a roommate now that I think of it but that's still ~€800

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 9:59 AM

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Nope, definitely more expensive. The flat in a building we were looking 3 years ago, now is 1200 cold
And was around 900-1000 back then
90sqm, 2 bedroom
Seesener str, on the ringbahn

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 9:59 AM

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I mean you do also seem to completely ignore the existence of Berlin outside the ringbahn lol

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like, it's less convenient but it does get much cheaper

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 10:01 AM

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I don't, I spend a lot of time looking at those flats, but I had no desire to pay 900-1000 cold for a flat that has leaky windows with no intention to repair, 10m from sbahn station

And that was among the cheaper ones back then, had around 30 people on the viewing, around 80sqm

Not fun :/

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 10:02 AM

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I live right by seesener straße btw

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like close enough that any more detail would be doxxing lmao

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Awesome, then we're neighbours 🤣
I'm on the other side of the ringbahn
Can't use tier scooters there 🤣

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 10:03 AM

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the vespas are what get me. hohenzollerndamm is covered with rentable vespas now

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I just don't understand the appeal

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 10:04 AM

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I refer to that battery powered thing, which you start with foot and you stand on it
Don't know the english term
But tier, lime and those

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 10:04 AM

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I'd call the lime ones scooters, yeah

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but I've seen a ton of tier ones that are the ones you sit on, like little motorbikes

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 10:05 AM

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I usually go to the north using Paulsborner str, so I don't know the Ho-dam situation

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 10:06 AM

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I study in potsdam so I always have to go southwest lol

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potsdam, btw, is just as bad as berlin except worse because there are even fewer apattments, it's awful

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 10:06 AM

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I only use S Ho-dam, and the pharmacy on the corner 😂

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Good that I don't want to go there 😂 thanks for the warning

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 10:07 AM

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yeah like I searched in potsdam for ages and struggled to find anything

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some places were cheaper depending on location but getting accepted to a WG just never happened

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 10:07 AM

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How do you go to Potsdam? Ringbahn to westkreuz or?

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 10:08 AM

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yeah ringbahn to westkreuz usually and then I either get off at Griebnitzsee campus or I switch to the Regionalbahn and take that to the golm campus

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 10:10 AM

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I'm not familiar with student areas
I'm 37 and married, now with 2 cats even, so that probably comes with different needs from a flat :)

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 10:10 AM

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yeah I mean to be fair I have one room in a three room flat so

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though one room is v small so idk if I'm paying 50/50 or something more based on floor space

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 10:11 AM

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I guess you won't see the original contract 😂

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 10:11 AM

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my roommate doesn't seem like the type to do that much calculations lol

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I did at some point when I first moved in but my German sucks and I stopped caring once I had my Anmeldung

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 10:12 AM

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I guess your studies aren't in german then?

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 10:12 AM

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nah I'm doing machine learning it's all in English

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I just wanted to move to europe and yknow, free tuition for master's so

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I apparently picked a good time to get tf out of the US

hallow oyster Aug 8, 2020, 10:15 AM

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@humble bough lol, I'm currently on the job hunt for data engineer / big data / dwh and similar roles 😂

I have to go now, but I've sent you friend request, we might do some speech practice if you'd like it :)

humble bough Aug 8, 2020, 10:15 AM

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yeah that'd be cool!

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:30 AM

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Is there anyone from Lugano in Switzerland here?

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:33 AM

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not to my knowledge

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at least no one who’s actively said so, maybe someone suddenly shows up anyway

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:35 AM

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Hmm how is life there if you know ?

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Curious bc everyone talks about Geneva or Zurich but not really ever the near-Italian part

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:36 AM

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I’ve only visited lugano once or twice in my life and don’t really remember much about the city

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:36 AM

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Where are you living

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:36 AM

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I’m in Zürich rn though I’m from a more rural region of german-speaking switzerland

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moved to zürich for university

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:37 AM

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Trying to see whether I want to move there for my postdoc in a few years

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:37 AM

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it’s a lovely region geographically but I can’t speak much for culture and opportunities

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I’ve only been as a tourist, so to speak

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:38 AM

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Zürich?

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:38 AM

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no, ticino

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:38 AM

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Ah I meant Zurich

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Lugano was just a curiosity

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:38 AM

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ah

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Zürich’s… I’m not a city person

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:39 AM

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Is the uni in the city or a bit outside ?

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:39 AM

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the uni is right in the center

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well, the part of the uni I care about

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:39 AM

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Ah I see

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:39 AM

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it’s right next to the main train station (which is something of a central hub for all public transport in switzerland)

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:39 AM

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Is it ETH or some other one

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:39 AM

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eth

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:39 AM

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Hmm I see

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:39 AM

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but uni zürich is right next door

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they’re directly adjacent

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(but both have buildings scattered about)

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eth also has a separate campus, which is a bit more in the outskirts

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physics, chem and bio are there

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:40 AM

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I have a friend who did an exchange there and I think he went more to the separate one

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:40 AM

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and uh, architecture

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:40 AM

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Exactly yep he was physics

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:40 AM

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maybe more

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uni zürich also has another campus (or maybe multiple, idk, I’m thinking of Irchel), which is extremely lovely

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friend studies chemistry there and we met up for lunch sometimes

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:42 AM

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I would be there for neuroscience

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:43 AM

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no clue where that’d be tbh

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:43 AM

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If I decided to go given I find a position lol

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Is everything really as expensive as people say it is

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:43 AM

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the city itself is fine. it’s easy to get around with public transport, there’s plenty to do and it’s honeslty not that bad

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it’s very expensive but as I understand it, a phd salary at ETH should comfortably cover living expenses

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like, it’s expensive but it’s totally livable if you hvae a job there

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:44 AM

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It’d be a nice change from a French PhD salary

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What are you studying

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:45 AM

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math, finishing my bsc right now

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these are the salaries for a phd at ETH, I can’t find info on the rates, but I assume it’s based on how much funding the department gets or sth

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dry ravine Aug 8, 2020, 10:46 AM

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These are pretty good

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:46 AM

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zürich is livable frugally at about 1500/mo

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:46 AM

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It’ll prob be more since I’ll be going in as a postdoc

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:46 AM

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which would be 18k/year

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:46 AM

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But holy shit that’s a lot

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:47 AM

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so even the lowest gets you comfortably into a nice living situation

dry ravine Aug 8, 2020, 10:47 AM

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So if I as a non eu student wanna do PhD I could opt for such salaries?

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:47 AM

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I chose the wrong country to do my PhD lol

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:47 AM

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I don’t think it matters where you’re from for those salaries

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if you get a phd position at eth you’re somewhere on that table

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living expenses do of course depend on many factors, e.g. do you want an apartment for yourself? do you have to support only yourself or is there family? finding an apartment under 2k/mo is rare (though they do exist, mine only costs about 1200 + expenses, but it’s tiny and in a loud neighborhood). but at say, 3k/mo you’re getting a 3-room flat somewhere + food & other expenses covered

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what I’d avoid is trying to use a car

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:51 AM

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That still sounds really great

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:51 AM

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zürich is a pain for cars

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:52 AM

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Will have to visit and check out at some point !

dry ravine Aug 8, 2020, 10:52 AM

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interesting, im still bsc in mechanical engineering but i am planning for a masters and then a phd probably

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:52 AM

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this is what people have reported on living costs in zürich

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but you absolutely don’t need to be in the center, as long as you’re happy with a 15–25 min commute

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which, well, who cares

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the center is just loud anyway

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:54 AM

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I live in a very loud neighborhood in Paris, in a studio for 1200 but salary is also garbage here

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:55 AM

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https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=France&country2=Switzerland&city1=Paris&city2=Zurich&tracking=getDispatchComparison

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:55 AM

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If a standard salary is nearly 50000 then those prices seem totally feasible

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:55 AM

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yea, zürich is extremely livable if you have a job here

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as a student who can only work about 10 hours a week during the semester I’m slowly eating up my money

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:57 AM

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Is there no government aid for students like in Germany

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:57 AM

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my father makes too much money to qualify (but not enough to be able to actually pay for me)

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it’s fine, I’ve got money saved up

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:57 AM

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Ah ok that’s good

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:58 AM

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my parents cover parts of my expenses (rent, insurance) and I cover everything else out of my savings

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:58 AM

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Kinda crazy that you had savings even before university

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:58 AM

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I had to do civil service and they do pay you

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 10:58 AM

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This is really unlikely at least for Americans

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Ahhh I see

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 10:58 AM

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not a lot but they do

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I worked at a nursing home for 9 months before uni

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which made me about 18k i think?

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and I make about 3k every semester from TAing

fleet remnant Aug 8, 2020, 11:01 AM

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That’s not bad at all

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 11:02 AM

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it’s not enough to sustain myself but it’s enough to at least ensure my money won’t run out before I finish my studies

exotic barn Aug 8, 2020, 6:25 PM

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@foggy prism sorry for asking about something you said in December :D

Do you perhaps know how master's studies are, and where good ones are offered in the directions of finance stats etc in Switzerland?
(I'm especially eyeing the University of Lausanne for their Actuarial Science course👀 )

foggy prism Aug 8, 2020, 6:32 PM

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absolutely no clue sorry

exotic barn Aug 8, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Ah that's fine thank you!

toxic tulip Aug 9, 2020, 8:58 AM

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#study-tasks

tall magnet Aug 9, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Streep first focus on the language 😆

exotic barn Aug 9, 2020, 4:21 PM

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But the course is in English😅

tall magnet Aug 9, 2020, 4:21 PM

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But you are going to live in a foreign country 😆

exotic barn Aug 9, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Google translate🙌
Nah just kidding I did french at school, but I know if i were to do an internship for the thesis I might go to a German city

tall magnet Aug 9, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Why not ETH?

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Masters in english

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most

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If you want to learn german in an internship do it in germany

exotic barn Aug 9, 2020, 4:28 PM

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I haven't looked into ETH, how is it?
With I quick search I see they have insurance maths, and it looks really interesting

tall magnet Aug 9, 2020, 4:29 PM

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ETh best uni in CH

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It’s recognizes highly worldwide

foggy prism Aug 9, 2020, 4:30 PM

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ETH is a great uni but Zürich is really expensive to live in as a student

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afaik the insurance math program is pretty good

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but it’s not realyl my thing

tall magnet Aug 9, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Sascha what are u studying

foggy prism Aug 9, 2020, 4:30 PM

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math

exotic barn Aug 9, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Sasha are you at ETH?

foggy prism Aug 9, 2020, 4:32 PM

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yes

exotic barn Aug 9, 2020, 4:32 PM

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ETH is a great uni but Zürich is really expensive to live in as a student
(Dreads in south african)

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How do you find it? And how is the department and the lecturers?

paper girder Aug 11, 2020, 3:09 AM

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why is Switzerland represented by "ch" in "DACH"

small hatch Aug 11, 2020, 3:43 AM

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Its from the latin name, Confederatio Helvetica

paper girder Aug 11, 2020, 4:10 AM

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ah

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the helvetic confederatoon

small hatch Aug 11, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Also DÖS sounds wacky

paper girder Aug 11, 2020, 4:47 AM

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fair nuff

humble bough Aug 11, 2020, 7:23 AM

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it's also the code used by swiss domains

foggy prism Aug 11, 2020, 7:49 AM

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and on number plates, which are the one place I can think of where D and A are also used

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correction: not on number plates, but on that sticker one used to have to put on the back of the car to identify the country when going abroad. the number plate has the coat of arms on it

amber perch Aug 11, 2020, 8:21 AM

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I guess SW can be quite unclear for countries

Switzerland Sweden Swaziland/eswatini

foggy prism Aug 11, 2020, 8:55 AM

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I’ve never seen SW used for switzerland and wouldn’t recognize it as such

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Switzerland is either CH or SUI

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I don’t think I’ve ever seen another abbreviation

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(also why would it be SW anyway? the country’s name doesn’t start with sw in any relevant language)

humble bough Aug 11, 2020, 9:08 AM

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yeah I don't think switzerland is that anglocentric lmao

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(also fwiw Swaziland was recently renamed -- they're Eswatini now)

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(iso code is still SZ tho)

frigid trail Aug 11, 2020, 12:29 PM

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Which side oriented is the political scenario in Germany

humble bough Aug 11, 2020, 12:37 PM

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please reword that question in a way that makes more sense lol

tight kelp Aug 11, 2020, 12:42 PM

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very roughly speaking i'd say it's slightly conservative

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but what that means depends on what you compare it with

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by some usa standards, germany would be borderline communist 😂

mellow birch Aug 11, 2020, 12:55 PM

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Die Grünen are currently enjoying growing popularity, with more people worried about the environment

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memerkel still gets the most votes tho

hidden briar Aug 11, 2020, 1:04 PM

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not sure I would call it conservative, but higher than average on the consensus seeking scale