basically it was about integration of immigrants in high school
#archived-culture-study-visa
exotic barn
tbh i didnt understand much of what was going on lol but something that really shocked me was that this italian girl said she felt very different/like an outsider because her hair was dark while all the other girls had blonde/light brown hair
deep vessel
I don't know what the culture is like in the schools but where i live (south west germany) there's plenty of people with dark hair.
exotic barn
i guess i was just wondering what its like for foreigners in germany? we also watched an interview of a man who said he felt like a total outsider despite being german born and raised since his parents were korean immigrants
deep vessel
Honestly probably not that many natural blonds either I think
exotic barn
that was extremely shocking to me
deep vessel
I however can't speak for the immigrant experience for someone who doesn't look western european, though. i'm about as boring in looks as they come. the most exotic my bloodline gets is someone was probably roman down the line
exotic barn
lol
yeah im american born and raised and my parents immigrated here from india but ive never felt like an outsider or like i wasnt american
and ive never experienced racism and im from the south
solemn bay
Kinda depends where you live too. Cause some places probably have low number of immigrants and some quite a lot, and if you come from the same country as many people who live in that area, well, of course it's probably not as unusual for you.
tight kelp
@exotic barn may i ask how old this video was?
and if it mentioned where it was shot?
because where i live it would be rather weird to think of this kind of discrimination as commonplace, considering it's almost hard to spot """"""pure"""""" germans compared to immigrants or people with different backgrounds
amber perch
is it alright that my first and last names are swapped in the plane ticket
tight kelp
it should be fine. My name gets typoed all the time even in legal documents and i never had a problem
amber perch
ok thanks
humble bough
maybe it's different in Southwest Germany, but I remember when I moved here noticing there being more naturally blonde (particarly Strasenköterblond) people. I didn't feel left out for having darker hair or anything (I've got German heritage anyway) but the higher proportion was definitely noticeable. I think this might be more of a think further north because Scandinavian proximity, though, so that may be why you haven't noticed.
As an aside, I think it's easy to feel like an outsider as an immigrant even if, like me, you look pretty much like a German. The cultural change is a big thing, especially if you struggle with the language, and it's normal to feel like that. I definitely feel less like that recently than when I first moved here but it's something to struggle with
As for those who don't look European, at my DAAD meetings, they complained a lot about discrimination and being treated shittily by Germans. It probably depends a lot where in Germany you are but definitely racism is still something plenty of people experience, unfortunately
vague brook
tbh i didnt understand much of what was going on lol but something that really shocked me was that this italian girl said she felt very different/like an outsider because her hair was dark while all the other girls had blonde/light brown hair
Maybe she's just feeling different and picked her hair as something to blame and somehow be able to cope with it
because black hair definitely isnt something that happens rarely here and it's the first thing i ever heard anyone complaining about it
or someone just mocked it once because children are mean sons of bitches and it got stuck in her head
tight kelp
short interruption: does anyone know if DB has a live-chat or any alternative to their paid ( 😒 ) customer service line?
warped atlas
Am SE Asian, dark skin, black hair. Definitely out of the “white people” community
But I never felt unwelcomed by others here
But yeah, I live in Baden Württemberg
And if I ever felt unwelcomed, it‘s not because of my appearance, but more like I don‘t know the context of what they‘re talking about to actually follow the conversation, because of different experiences/culture between us
Not sure about Gymnasium...maybe it does happen. But Uni-wise I also had no difficulty because of the color of my skin nor hair.
Although I can totally imagine that it‘s hard to blend in or felt accepted because your language skill is still not good enough to communicate with the locals
pine egret
Hey guys, is anyone here from austria? Do software engineers straight out of uni start off as einstiegsstufe or regelstufe? Not sure if im posting in the right place
exotic barn
The interview w the Korean guy is from 2014 and the one about immigration is also from 2014 I’m pretty sure
^ @tight kelp
And hmm okay so what I’m gathering is that the racism is sort of region dependent? And if your German isn’t so good then you’ll feel left out
Thank you for the responses everyone 😄
solemn bay
Not just region dependent but also different from person to person.
Like maybe one person you meet will be disgusting towards you, but everyone else will be nice. Sometimes you can't help that some people are rude, even in a nice place.
tight kelp
yeah, you can't be sure it's a matter of racism unless it's overt
warped atlas
Like maybe one person you meet will be disgusting towards you, but everyone else will be nice. Sometimes you can't help that some people are rude, even in a nice place.
So, basically life
hidden briar
A friend is Korean, but speaks accent free German, worst thing that happened to him was that someone assumed he speaks Arabic because he is "Asian"
tame forum
Maybe the person just had a bad geography teacher
And thought middle east was in asia
warped atlas
An experience of mine when I had traveled through Prague in 2009, somebody (presumably tipsy) had nearly bumped into me, and shouted “Ni hao!”
I’m like....”do I look Chinese to you?” With my darker skin definitely not Chinese face
I don’t know Berzie, if someone does that to a Black person in Finnland, I kinda think of it like a compliment, you know?
Like say I go to France, I can already speak French at C1 and then after awhile even tourists or even locals think I’m French because of that.
I think that’s cool, cause that means they don’t judge you for your appearances
tight kelp
right, you know very well that the context implied not being in that country though
amber perch
anatolia was asia, but then they discovered more land in the east
tame forum
Oh shid i forgot
tight kelp
not the same asia people think about when they see east asian traits
(i mean yes it's the same asia but you get it)
humble bough
weirdly enough, referring to a person as "Asian" differs in meaning even among English speaking countries; in the US is p much always means someone from east or southeast asia (China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, etc.), whereas in the UK I'm told it refers to someone from south asia (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc.)
assuming someone speaks arabic because they're asian is a new one tho
tight kelp
might have been someone who heard there's a very high concentration of muslims in south east asia and assumed muslim = speaks arabic
vague brook
yea it doesn't surprise me that much because of the UK definition of an "asian"
amber perch
why is german internet bad?
cause of monopolies?
exotic gorge
Some of it is infrastructure. It's hard to get good wiring and wifi in the older buildings with thick walls.
fair talon
NPR (American public news station) had a good article on this last year:
"Many CEOs blame Deutsche Telekom, the former state provider... Instead of installing fiber-optic cables, Deutsche Telekom has been fixing and improving its old copper telephone system, a process the telecommunications giant calls 'vectoring.' "
"According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, less than 2 percent of Germany's broadband connections are carried by pure fiber-optic systems. Deutsche Telekom spokesperson Georg von Wagner insists that most customers don't need anything near speeds of 1 gigabit per second, the standard speed Germany can offer with pure fiber optics.
"Of course we could have decided, four or five years ago, to get rid of the copper wires and we could have replaced them with fiber-optic cables. If we had gone this route, 10 to 15 percent of German households would now have access to download speeds of up to 1 gigabit a second," von Wagner says." https://www.npr.org/2019/01/03/678803790/berlin-is-a-tech-hub-so-why-are-germanys-internet-speeds-so-slow?t=1579420575585
@amber perch
amber perch
its improving now right?
fair talon
Like most of German tech, slowly... 😅 very slowly...
Merkel's cabinet announced plans (last year I think? Recently) to have fiber-optic networks by 2025, which would increase speed. But we'll have to see how that turns out
That moment when a girl on German Tinder has her only picture as her posing and smiling in the center of the 'Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe'... 😅
Thats gonna be a left swipe for me.
warped atlas
@amber perch not at the speed we want, unfortunately
amber perch
i see
warped atlas
I mean, it‘s truly laughable that Germany, the capital for r&d in Europe
Has backwater internet speed
In comparison with the people in Rumania, or like Lithuania
The network coverage is also still patchy all over
They‘re not prioritizing the fiber optic cabling infrastructure. So I don‘t see it being improved in the next 5 years, unfortunatrly
fair talon
Plus the price of data is pretty bad too. Ive heard of people going out of their way to drive/ride over to Poland and get a cell plan there, because the data is that much cheaper
hidden briar
The price you pay for being an early adopter, Telekom put copper everywhere very early (giving Germans high speed Internet before a lot of other countries), but now they have outdated infrastructure they put a lot of money into
While other (middle and eastern European) countries skipped copper entirely
tight kelp
romania has super fast internet because of this
though being an early adopter isn't the only reason. Sometimes shortsighted decisions are made, and millions of people have to deal with it
humble bough
if that, tbh
deep vessel
note that while it's not fantastic it's not to say that the internet isn't entirely servicible - mainly if you live in a city. i get between 30-40mb/s down in the stadtrand. it doesn't beat say sweden but it's not a struggle to watch 1080p netflix
tame forum
^ this. It depends on ur usage. For some people even 10mbps is enough. However if ur streaming and things like that then u may need more
humble bough
I think the main issue is that the options are still super limited even for people who need higher usage. My Hauptmieter tried to get 16mb/s but was told we could only get 8 max, and with both of us living here and doing a fair bit of gaming and streaming video, that's just not acceptable for living so centrally
tight kelp
the issue is that following this model, only people in big cities are semi-guaranteed to have good internet
humble bough
(and, for the record, I live inside the Ringbahn in Berlin, so god help people in more remote areas)
tight kelp
many people live outside big centres and they shouldn't be forced to move to have good internet. For one, it stifles creative efforts for people who need good internet (say, people who need to upload large content or stream)
humble bough
it also doubtlessly contributes to the existing housing difficulties in big centres
tight kelp
with services like cloud gaming on the rise, this also means that you'll only be "allowed" higher tier gaming if you have good internet or else you need to buy a costly rig and keep it updated
and yes it probably impacts prices too, which are already a problem in germany
tropic edge
Are you guys talking about megabits or megabytes?
exotic barn
doesn't matter germany could afford way more than other countries but doesn't do it
like... i have i have fibreoptic to my desk but others like 99,9% in germany don't
Because they use their expensive copper networks and want to profit from it as long as possible
tropic edge
I believe you could do it if you have the money, it's just that everyone sticks to the old ways because if it ain't broken don't fix it
Yep^
exotic barn
the companies don't offer fibre to everyone that wants it.. what the talk above in the channel is about
they could
tropic edge
We had a guy come over to my apartment and not do the wiring to the rooms because he says well the wifi is working, what more do you want. I just laughed, because what are you going to say.
Even if you pressure them to it? Constantly telephone and keep complaining?
I doubt that, I've seen some people living in remote areas who are content creators in Germany who have better internet (generally speaking) than people living in Mitte, Berlin
exotic barn
you have to check both sides
why should I( big company) offer everyone fibre optic ? Big cities....ok maybe ... but all villages ? Hell no. You know what i mean ?
tropic edge
True that, no profit for them. I get what you mean
exotic barn
Amen. I understand everyone who is angry about it..but once you have worked/are working in a huge company you'll understand why you cant offer( as a company) your full service to everyone.... it's just business
humble bough
This isn't just a problem in little villages, though. I live in Berlin and my internet options are trash. There's "just business" and then there's being actively behind the times in Europe's tech capital
exotic barn
that might be just my point of view...... i don't live in a city like berlin ...and guess what .. i have fibre optic to my desc and yes it's more expensivee that copper.... but i also have the view of a company like "why should i offer fibre optic to everyone?!" -- imo politics is responsible to boost it
a joke from me " In anderen Ländern hat jedes Plumps-Klo ein Glasfaseranschluss"
burnt hare
Aren't there any smaller companies which would like to offer other options in Germany? I mean, I live in a small town in Poland and we have an access to Internet with relatively good speed. And it works so in many other places here
vague brook
Poland has awesome internet
in comparison to germany
also awesome banking
mostly because the infrastructure was created pretty late in comparison to germany, building stuff anew, you can afford to build the best at given time, otherwise you either leave it be "because it works", overall modernization is more difficult that building something from start 
that's also the reason why Romania has the best and cheapest internet in europe
burnt hare
Might be the reason, in the end if you have spent money on an expensive infrastructure, it should pays off but still, it's weird that people in big cities like Berlin have 8Mb/s or sth. That's why it's weird for me that there have not appeared new providers of Internet but probably it's a little more complicated
humble bough
That's why it's weird for me that there have not appeared new providers of Internet but probably it's a little more complicated
I assume that the 8Mb/s is a limit of the existing infrastructure in my neighborhood; a new small provider wouldn't have the money to improve it even if they wanted to, and ig the big providers aren't willing to spend the money to improve things
tight kelp
there have not appeared new providers of Internet
aside from there being a very large economic barrier to entry, industries such as internet or telephony providers, petrol, and other infrastructural services tend to be a really closed market with lots of shenanigans going on behind the scene (like cartels and oligopolies that do their best to prevent newcomers from gaining any ground)
and no country's safe from that kind of mafia
amber perch
need more anti collusion regulations
exotic barn
Hey guys
I need someone who has taken B1 German exam of Goethe Institut before
I'm planning on taking it so I'll register on Feb 10 and take the exam on March 3
I've some questions
About the registering part
I've tried registering on Goethe institut online website and I got an error. Must I go to Goethe Institut in order to register or must i wait until the registration date which is Feb 10? 'Cause there's a risk that it might be full so I won't be able to take it cuz of that.
tame forum
@exotic barn call them and ask them
all goethes are different. some will allow you to come physically and pay
some might not
better to email/contact them
tropic edge
I second this
And there may also be limited seats depending on where you're sitting for the exam
When I did my A1 last year, I had to go and reserve a place that would be given to someone else had I not paid in due time. Then once I paid the amount I was registered for the exam.
amber perch
should i take exams after i finish A1, A2 etc. or should i skip them and take 1 exam at the end e.g. B2 or C1?
vague brook
if you don't need them for anything, skip them
solemn bay
If you don't need any certificates now, you should wait until you do need one.
Although if you have the money to spare and just want it for the sake of getting one, then sure, you can just get whatever ones you want.
deep vessel
warning that the prices i've seen for the exams so far cost nearly 200euro
deep vessel
i think for that you'll be wanting at absolute minimum B2. something c-level would be far more useful though
solemn bay
Depends what jobs you want to do.
But yeah, agree, B2 is probably what you want if you're looking pretty soon.
I mean, yeah, C is safer, but it's going to take you a looooot longer to get it.
And it's probably not necessary.
For some jobs, even B1 is fine.
amber perch
i don't think german is required for jobs im looking for
but i believe certificates can help with my visa or PR/citizenship in the future
deep vessel
i don't know how they check (e.g. through certificate or their own exam) but b1 is required for permanent residency iirc
solemn bay
You really have to look into the exact specific things you need a certificate for, the time frame you need them in, and decide what to get based on that.
amber perch
they expire?
solemn bay
Yeah.
Well, again, it depends.
Usually the person who you give the certificate to will have a minimum requirement for how long ago you got the certificate.
Like obviously an employer isn't going to care much if you got a B2 certificate 20 years ago. You might not even be able to speak any German at that point, for all they know.
deep vessel
warped atlas
My DSH cert doesn‘t expire as far as I know...
And Certificates like A1-A2 and so forth serve as proof when applying for visa/citizenship, or moving to a different class in another city (although afaik you could also just give a certified attendance)
I agree however with Vahti. If you don‘t need it, especially if you continue on to the next level, skip the exam, and just go on.
My IELTS have expired for like, 5 years. I still have to do that if I were to apply for a PhD, I think 😫
vague brook
it doesnt expire, no
but it's common sense that sometimes you're being asked to deliver a semi-fresh one
exotic barn
Goethe certificates are for 2 years afaik
amber perch
oh ah i think i may have to do ielts if i want a job
warped atlas
I seriously have no idea, say if I were to apply to SAP where it‘s basically all internationals
Would I need the IELTS?
I mean, day to day, I can prove my skills, and when people meet and talk to me directly, they‘d know where my level is. But would HR need that cert for „Quality purposes“?
amber perch
I wonder if a degree done in English would count for the English skill requirement
tight kelp
most likely
humble bough
it usually does afaik
but also if you're not from a native English-speaking country you'd need something like an IELTS to get into any degree in English anyway so
that's probably part of why
humble bough
not like specifically ielts but some English certificate is p much always required afaik?
the application for my master's (in English in Germany) lists the following re: certifying your English skills:
A certificate of your English language skills at the level C1. Acceptable certificates include: UNIcert-III, TOEFL Internet Based Test (95 points or more), Cambridge certificate of Advanced English (Grade B or better), IELTS (at least 7 Points overall, at least 6 Points in each area), a university degree of an English-language degree program at an accredited university. Other forms of documenting your language skills may be accepted, but no guarantees can be made in advance.
amber perch
well my uni wrote a certifying letter to state that my undergrad was taught in english
craggy iron
I doubt SAP would ask you an English proficiency test @warped atlas
An interview is generally enough to determine if someone can speak English well enough
Proficiency tests are for universities (for international applications)
deep vessel
and for certain professions e.g. teacher or translator
craggy iron
Did not know that, good to know
deep vessel
if german isn't your native language, iirc you need a C2 certificate to teach in germany
craggy iron
I have a TOEFL exam next month :c
hidden briar
even in a big tech company like SAP the main language in a german office is german, but everybody knows english (there are mandatory business english lessons) [know people working there as database specialists]
exotic barn
Do German unis accept ÖSD C1 certificate?
On all of the ones I checked I saw TestDaF, Goethe C2 and Telc Hochschule C1 listed
But no ÖSD C1
I will be in Vienna for a few months later this year and signed up already for the ÖSD
Goethe has agreements with ÖSD afaik
fleet pelican
@exotic barn usually no, they're not
keen trout
Hallo, ich habe eine Frage. Are the Goethe exams linear? zum biespiel, if I want to do the B2 exam, do I need to have the previous certifications?
Oder es ist möglich dass ich can nur studieren für B2 und die Prüfung tun
deep vessel
as far as I'm aware you don't need to the previous levels
exotic barn
Quick question
Is it possible to register to an exam of Goethe Institut before the registration date?
Cuz there's a risk that I won't be able to take it because of the full attenders
tight kelp
uhm, i'm gonna go with no considering the registration date is the first day on which registration is open 👀
unless i'm misunderstanding something
exotic barn
The registration date is on Feb 10
at least it's what the site says
I wonder if i can register before Feb 10
The site gives me a weird error
tight kelp
what meaning would "registration date is on feb 10" have if you could also do it before that date?
exotic barn
Anmeldung is Feb 10
Termin is March 3
Yes, i want to register to it before Feb 10
if it's possible
'cuz a lot of people are trying to take the exam and I must take it on March 3 so I cant risk it
or maybe that date is the last day of registration?
or?
any idea?
tight kelp
i think it might be the first day of registration. I guess your best luck would be to email them and ask
or else just camper there right before it opens and make sure you send your registration as soon as possible
exotic barn
Also
The exam for Erwachseln is 16+
and I'm 16
but the exam for youngs starts with the age of 12
My age is also in erwachseln
but still I believe that I can get the exam for youngs
tight kelp
if you can, apply to both and see
solemn bay
Have you considered calling/emailing them and asking?
foggy prism
erwachseln
what is that l doing there
tight kelp
you erwachsen someone else
foggy prism
but iteratively?
tight kelp
use of a recursive approach is also allowed
vale junco
Random question why is DACH DACH?
Like Deutschland that makes sense
But why Austria not like Osterreich
And why Confederation Helvetic
hidden briar
Deutschland, Austria, Confoederatio Helvetica (international abbreviation)
vale junco
Wouldn’t it make more sense to be like DOS or DODS? Like keep it all in one language not 3
hidden briar
it's also the abbreviation on car plates
solemn bay
Yes, it's based on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_vehicle_registration_code
solemn bay
The letters just happen to be the same, but it's probably written as Dach specifically to make it easier to say/remember.
So yes and no.
vale junco
Aight
foggy prism
D, A and CH are the standard abbreviations, switzerland at least is never abbreviated differently in official matters (though in sports it’s commonly SUI from french Suisse)
austria is commonly A or AT
and Germany D or DE
this is definitely a frequently asked question, so now there’s an faq entry for it, just made it
deep vessel
Germany specific question:
So I have a german personal tax identification number. I am also move abroad / outside of the EU. Is that tax number for life or if I come back to Germany in the future will I get a new tax identification number?
tight kelp
@foggy prism (though in sports it’s commonly SUI from french Suisse)
by the way how does a non-french swiss feel about that
yeah the identifikationsnummer is for life @deep vessel
foggy prism
utterly indifferent, but I was confused as kid
tight kelp
interesting. If the way my country was represented internationally had in any way an excessively local reference to some specific bit of it (especially when a neutral alternative is available) i'd be outraged
though admittedly my country isn't just any country when it comes to that stuff
twin crater
why is this channel called leben unterm Dach?
foggy prism
faq dach
delicate crownBOT
The letters D, A and CH are very common abbreviations for the countries Germany (Deutschland, its German name), Austria (Austria, its Latin name) and Switzerland (Confoederatio Helvetica, its Latin name). These abbreviations are found, for example, on licence plates. Germany and Austria also have two-letter abbreviations, which are DE and AT. These, alongside the Swiss one, are used among other things in URLs.
Incidentally, the word Dach is German for “roof”, so the name of the channel #archived-culture-study-visa is a pun: it literally means “living under the roof”, which can be seen as a metaphor for the cultural similarities between these countries.
Despite not included in the abbreviation, DACH may also include other German-speaking countries, especially Liechtenstein.
tight kelp
@foggy prism how satisfied are you from 1 to 10 that this faq you basically just made has already been relevant? 🎙️
foggy prism
like a solid 9
glass trench
How much did you pay him to ask that 
tight kelp
(first thing i thought)
mortal escarp
Hey guys, I just bought a second class standard ticket at ÖBB which said it can be cancelled by me till the day of travel / validity starts. Does that mean I will get back all my money?
also, can I choose another train on the same day if I will miss the one I picked?
warped atlas
Yes, and technically yes if you missed a connection that is out of your control, but you better ask the people at the station.
amber perch
do you have to refuse to eat the bread offered in restaurants or else they will charge you extra?
exotic barn
in germany ?
no
Usually you get free bread in good restaurants and if you don't want it don't worry
amber perch
ok danke
tight kelp
do you have to refuse to eat the bread offered in restaurants or else they will charge you extra?
wtf? 🤔 Is there a place where it works that way?
exotic barn
sometimes yes
foggy prism
definitely seen that before. bread on the table, eat it, get charged
tight kelp
that is so scumbaggy
foggy prism
pretty sure I’ve encountered that in italy :P
foggy prism
tuscany
tight kelp
north enough
exotic barn
it's not scumbaggy... it was a decent restaurant
foggy prism
only region I’ve ever been to
tight kelp
it's a terrible practice no matter how you look at it
foggy prism
(barring driving through ofc. hard to get to tuscany without driving through the north)
tight kelp
especially when most places give you that same thing for free and take it as a given. If you make it look like that and then surprise-charge the customer, you're being a cunt. No two ways about it
foggy prism
we spent holidays in follonica a bunch of times, just opposite Elba
folonnica? idr
sth like that
tight kelp
don't know the place but it's probably follonica rather than the other way around
foggy prism
small town at the coast
fair talon
Question: I'm not that familiar with German internet provider regulation. Is throttling of specific sites something allowed in Germany? (i.e. net neutrality type stuff)
tight kelp
not that i know of
fair talon
Ive got pretty good evidence that some throttling is going on with Telekom (the provider for my apartment) 👀
Hm. Interesting.
celest umbra
yeah, the only thing I know is that vodafone apparently doesn't allow you to connect to any .to websites 👀
celest umbra
agreed
fair talon
I know a few questionable streaming sites use .to, so thats probably why
My situations just a bit shadier because its a legit website 😅 (in this case, BattleNet for Blizzard)
celest umbra
but that is no reason to forbid me to use them imo that is an infringement on my freedom.
hahaha they just want you to concentrate and stop playing ow 😄
fair talon
Im not even trying to play ;-;
Just trying to download a CoD update
CoD put out a 48 GB update, then Telekom did this throttling shit, so ive been stuck downloading it for 12 hours now 😅
celest umbra
😄
amber perch
how do you know if the green traffic light for pedestrians will turn red soon
tight kelp
you don't
but there's a reasonable amount of buffer time when the pedestrian light is red but cars still have red too
so as long as you have your feet on the road while it's still green, you'll be fine
amber perch
ok
back in hk the light flashes when its about to turn red
also is it ok to not tip
it stresses me out
tight kelp
yeah you only tip if the service was really good. I don't think german european waiters expect tips
they are properly paid, after all
amber perch
my mom used to say she was told that in some countries in the world if you don't tip
the waiters will secretly spit in your food or something
fair talon
Its more common to "tip" by rounding up, versus a whole extra payment
The rule of thumb I've heard (if the service was good) is 5-10%, to whatever the closest whole Euro amount is.
tight kelp
that seems rather paranoid to be honest
tight kelp
also don't order soup and you'll be fine 👉 😏
solemn bay
Tipping is nice if you can afford it, but if you can't, don't worry about it.
celest umbra
well, it is kinda "expected " in Germany that you tip (unless you are young/a student then people might understand) and when I was a waitress, we always complained when a whole family came and then they didn't tip at all after you went above and beyond to accompany their wishes. However, you don't have too and compared to the US waiters in Germany are really well paid. So it is not like they need it to survive, still it is a rather low paying job and also very exhausting. But yeah, especially if the service isn't that great, there is no need to feel bad about it.
If it is just in a Cafe and the bill isn't that high, then yes, just round up or if you go there more then once just tip every third time or so
tight kelp
i guess it makes sense if the customer is a whole family or a numerous group in general 🤔 i don't often find myself in that situation so i didn't consider it
amber perch
why is soup bad
tight kelp
now i don't want to be a mr pink here but if the job wasn't paid appropriately (like in the usa where tips are expected by design to meet an appropriate wage) i don't see why the customer would have to be responsible for that.
It's all for the benefit of the employer, who could and should pay the employee properly but is pulled out of part of this obligation by convention, and I wouldn't want to endorse that.
More in general, my philosophy is that I'd tip (and only as an extra) those jobs I wouldn't want to do, because I'm grateful to the person who is doing them so I don't have to. But society dictates which jobs get to be tipped and which don't, and I find that bullshit. Why can't I tip the postman, who has to go about on a heavy bycicle even when it's raining cats and dogs? Why can't I tip the rubbish collectors, whose job I (germophobic) could never do? Why do waiters deserve tips and these other people don't? Not that it's the waiters' fault of course, but I prefer not to tip anyone unless I can tip everyone.
btw where can I buy facemasks in Germany
I'm interested in this as well. So far I've never seen them even in DIY shops, which is a little weird
amber perch
I'll go ask the tourist office in koln
tight kelp
never seen them in physical shops but i'll take a better look next time i guess
icy mist
DM sells them
has anyone here attended the studienkolleg at goethe University in Frankfurt? ive spoken with the university and everything, would just like to hear personal experience
exotic barn
Hey does any one know of scholarships for bachelor study in Germany for students coming to study from another EU country?
sand lotus
So ive been looking at Jobs in Germany and I found one I wanna apply for on jobboerse.arbeitsagentur.de and was wondering if it was a good or bad idea to ask if they will accept foreign national applications?
vague brook
buy soap and hand disinfectant instead
tight kelp
Apparently (dunno for sure) it can also be transmitted air to eyes and stuff so it's not like masks will save you
But it may be a good opportunity for the west to finally adopt them
runic bison
gas mask
amber perch
lol
humble bough
afaik the mask thing is more effective if the sick individuals wear it (since their breathing and sneezing would be contained), it's not necessarily good preventative
tight kelp
Yeah but it's good for other things too like influenza and the common cold
It's a good practice
amber perch
tbh I dont like wearing those things it make breathing more difficult
exotic gorge
Also the Coronavirus is not very deadly. It's dangerous to children, older adults, and people with immunodeficiency issues. I would worry more about washing my hands than wearing masks.
tight kelp
tbh I dont like wearing those things it make breathing more difficult
i agree, i find it somewhat troublesome to breathe in normal conditions even xD
but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be useful to contain aerial diseases
lime elk
still i’d rather get not sick
warped atlas
Trudat
Although it‘d be nice if we get a note from the doctor to stay at home and not work
😜
amber perch
the school said we can work at home
warm flume
hello sorry if this is out of topic, my case is a bit bizarre but i'd like to talk to someone who is very familiar with the botschaft and visum stuff, this is urgent as i have my rendez vous tomorrow please, please it's super urgent
thanks in advance
tame forum
U can post whatever u need here
So everyone can see ur question
Noone will know what ur querry is. Ur sentence is too vague
@warm flume
tame forum
Oh shid
warm flume
yeeah it's too late, i would actually post it if it didn't contain some secrecy
thanks tho
in any case, i had the botschaft meeting yesterday, it was in the documents verification phase and i couldn't go through it, as i'm a submiting for a master, and i could obtain an acceptation from Bamberg that says : i'll have to pass through the DSH and then i'll be able to get a place to study in the master
which is fairly normal as far as i know, the thing is, that i was refused because they "made a change" that retro affected even those who asked for an interview before the guidelines update, the update states that they no longer accept such documents, and that my Uni acceptation should guarrenty both a place in the DSH kurs and the master studiengang.
i thought about asking for help regarding this matter here but it's too late now
amber perch
its weird how in supermarkets some drinks require you to pay a deposit while other don't, when all of them use plastic bottle containers
also what is the minimum amount of bottles you have to put in the recycling machine to get money back?
hidden briar
there are exeptions for milk and fruit juice and a few other things. There is no minimum amount of bottles
amber perch
i don't see anywhere in the machines that spit out coins though
hidden briar
you get a printout that you have to take to the checkout
amber perch
oh ok danke
icy mist
bought house shoes today - starting to feel like a german
tight kelp
i use socks because i cba to put them on and off every time i have to be weird
picture someone who sits like L but has more than just one signature position
icy mist
i usually wear socks but ive been asked so many times why im not wearing house shoes by my husband's family 🙄
foggy prism
I am wearing house shoes in my flat cause it doesn’t have floor heating and I’m so used to that from back home
tight kelp
i have never experienced a heated floor in my lyfe
foggy prism
if you ever are in a position where you have control over a house being built and it ends up not having heated floors, you fucked up
tame forum
I also have never experienced heated floors and i also dont wear house shoes. I jus shuffle around quickly when its cold and snuggle in my bed
But house slippers are a good idea. I think imma buy myself a pair
Its one of the things that u never think off because ur parents never did it
lime elk
i have the big sad because the floor heaters in my room are broken
and that's my only source of heat in my room
so my room is chilly compared to the rest of the house
tight kelp
have them fixed? 🤔
lime elk
too lazy
deep vessel
counterpoint: heated floors aren't necessary in hot places
tight kelp
countercounterpoint: i don't live in a hot place anymore, but if i did i would want a frozen floor
deep vessel
countercountercounterpoint: i wish those existed
tight kelp
^
i guess that's why good houses in sicily have floors out of marble. It's the closer we get to ice
fleet pelican
Those goddamn houses are so nice
foggy prism
I suppose one could actually run pipes with cold water through stone floors to keep them cool
tight kelp
thinking like a swiss i see
how long do you think water can keep cold running under sicilian soil?
in the summer if I open the tap i have to wait for the water to become cold
foggy prism
idk we run water underground to heat it so just run water undersea to cool it
sounds easy enough
hidden cloud
Hi all, I have a question regarding visa matters. I will be going on student exchange to Germany and I have already gotten my German visa with the start date of the visa stated as 15th March. Before that, I would be doing a short tour around Europe. My question is: do I have to visit a non-Schengen country (eg. UK) on say, 14th March before re-entering the Schengen area on the 15th? Or is that not necessary?
tight kelp
why would you have to visit a non-Schengen country to be able to re-enter? 🤔
fair talon
Im assuming they're interpretting the visa start date as a "entry date" that the Germans will be checking for on the passport or something later on. It's better to think of it as when whatever residency status you have there (ex: temporary visitor, travel, etc) changes to "official" residency status.
If you're able to enter the Schengen area before that date (for example, you're American and get 90 days of visa-free travel in a 180 day period), you already have legally entered the Schengen area. All that visa is doing is saying you can also legally stay for the period it lists. They don't care if you were already in the area as long as you were there legally then too (such as the visa free travel I mentioned).
hidden cloud
Yes, I was confused as to whether the start date listed on the visa is an "entry date" of some sort, hence the question
Thank you!
fair talon
No problem. Hope you have a fun trip!
deep vessel
it depends on whether or not you have visa free entry for schengen
i'm also not sure if the UK would count yet. the customs union/ freedom of movement doesn't change until the december
this page has lists of which countries do and don't have visa free entry. But if you already have your visa i'm inclined to think you might not be from a visa-free entry country. So definitely double check @hidden cloud . in either case it's always best to check with your local countries travel advice site or embassy e.g. smarttraveller if you're from Australia
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/who-needs-schengen-visa/
teal elk
If there is anybody from Germany here, I have a question: in your opinion, is A1 level enough for traveling there?
exotic gorge
@teal elk it depends on where you're traveling. In most big cities, A1 is fine because a lot of people can speak at least some English. Smaller places may be difficult, unless there's something like an international tourist service, as in a small town that has a notable German landmark.
teal elk
@exotic gorge thank you! How is Köln in that regard? (speaking English)
exotic gorge
Köln is very touristy, I'd say. Decent amount of English speakers. The cathedral had signage in English, if I'm remembering correctly. The city sign may have also had translations.
City signs would direct you to major attractions and important places, like the cathedral, train station, or Rhein river.
teal elk
@exotic gorge that sounds great! Thanks again. What about chatting with locals? I know that Germans are famous for not being so open to talking with strangers, but I'd love to have a conversation with a local about his/her life as a local, etc.
exotic gorge
It's unlikely you'll find someone who's really chatty. Occasionally, I chatted with a couple fellow passengers on trains, but that was often in German, above A1 level of speaking. Some small shops will have friendly owners, and some people in museums (the kiosk workers or someone similar) may be willing to answer questions or have a short conversation.
If you really want to chat, attending events with a theme is a good way to meet people in Germany. You might find an English event at a university or even somewhere in the city. Introduce yourself and talk about the event, etc. Some unis have events with their foreign lang departments and you can help someone learning English, and they can help you pick up some important German.
teal elk
that is seriously good advice, @exotic gorge. I will try my luck at universities!
exotic gorge
Most events are posted on Facebook, if you don't want to look through individual universities or cities.
teal elk
Great! My native language is Spanish, so I suspect that maybe I could find some people interested in speaking Spanish in one of those events
tight kelp
for touristic purposes, you don't need to speak german at all, even bakers speak enough english to serve you
teal elk
Thanks @tight kelp. I was afraid about bakers, because I've read some natives claiming that since most of them are elder women without English knowledge, they even refuse to serve you if don't speak German
deep vessel
can confirm: a fucktonne of spanish speakers at german unis
teal elk
@deep vessel Wow! That is reassuring. In fact, I decided to travel to Germany because I couple months ago I met a geology student from Germany and she had such good Spanish, it was really impressive.
deep vessel
at my uni we call all the spanish speaking exchange students the spanish mafia
tight kelp
they even refuse to serve you if don't speak German
either the people reporting this or the place they've been to are really rude :P
they might not be able to speak english in the countryside but that's not where tourists usually go. In big cities like Köln even grannies speak english if they have to
mild quiver
i don't think it's common but a friend visiting me in Köln had an old lady at a bakery snap at her and get impatient over the no German thing but I'd consider that an abnormal experience
for the most part I'd say the people are pretty patient when it comes to English speakers
tight kelp
i guess if you get in and unapologetically act like it's normal to order people around in english it might give off a bad first impression 👀
cyan burrow
@deep vessel That's how it starts, everybody having a laugh calling themselves mafia, and suddenly you're chaining Pedro to a rock and throwing him into the river because he knew too much
icy mist
when i was first in germany the women at the bakery thought it was cute how i would point to bread rolls and try to speak german 🤷
meager lintel
hidden cloud
@deep vessel thank you! I am indeed from a visa-free entry country (:
exotic barn
Anyone else thinking of moving out of cities in case things drastically worsen?
deep vessel
in terms of what things?
exotic barn
Not scare mongering just wondering if anyone thinks it’s a good idea yet
The corona virus
deep vessel
which corona virus? You mean influenza, sars, mers, the swine flu?
exotic barn
The current strain sweeping China
I don’t mean the common flu, no
The one where young ppl are ending up in crematoriums
deep vessel
influenza also does that
also the mods specifically don't like people discussing it because of fear mongering but I can explain why it's not a big deal in dm for you if you'd like
deep vessel
not perspective, fact
exotic barn
I am here to glean everyone’s pov
Not fact at all
I don’t want to argue
Waste of time
This is a general call for opinions
Not starting an argument
deep vessel
From the WHO website itself:
"How Dangerous is it?
As with other respiratory illnesses, infection with 2019-nCoV can cause mild symptoms including a runny nose, sore throat, cough, and fever. It can be more severe for some persons and can lead to pneumonia or breathing difficulties. More rarely, the disease can be fatal. Older people, and people with pre-existing medical conditions (such as, diabetes and heart disease) appear to be more vulnerable to becoming severely ill with the virus."
vague brook
oh we have two cases in my hometown
exotic barn
This strain has been dubbed flying aids
deep vessel
by the media
vague brook
it can
exotic barn
Not in the current numbers
deep vessel
note: the common cold and influenza are two very different severities
deep vessel
it's shorthand for keep in mind
exotic barn
Why would You make assumptions about what I know and don’t know?
I’m not making any about you
The current strain has HIV written into it
It’s serious
deep vessel
that's plain misinformation
vague brook
yea and you and a banana share 40% of coding genes
rose craneBOT
no bananas please
vague brook
doesnt mean you're a banana
rose craneBOT
no bananas please
exotic barn
Or do you want to disrespect the recently deceased?
vague brook
That's pure schopenhauer argument
totally irrelevant to anything
stop panicking dude
exotic barn
Many Chinese doctors on the ground have sounded the alarm
deep vessel
the one paper that was like 'oooh so similar to hiv' was near immediately retracted for lack of scientific accuracy / aka for being a fake
vague brook
yes, it's common sense to be alert, it's not common sense to panic and read all fake news about it you can find on the internet
and cause panic in others
exotic barn
I am not panicking
vague brook
you freaking are
exotic barn
Nope
I just asked if others had considered moving out of big cities in the near future
vague brook
not panicking at all
exotic barn
It’s planning in advance
Opposite of panicking
Panicking is when it’s too late to do anything
sick imp
Well, you're free to do your planning, but this particular issue has been making members uncomfortable with all the talks about it, so it's probably best not to discuss it on the server.
exotic barn
Well we should be able to talk about it without arguing each other’s view point and one person telling others how it goes when they know as much or less as the next
Staying calm and helping out fellow learners is good
Lots of ppl may be in Bayern. In any case - wish you all good luck. I’m mostly sure it will be fine - but in case it’s not, stay safe
vague brook
I have two cases in my town, do you see me panicking and hiding in a bunker? And it happens that i'm a medical professional, so stop fear mongering 🤷
exotic barn
“It’s very, very transmissible, and it almost certainly is going to be a pandemic,” Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told The New York Times. “But will it be catastrophic? I don’t know.”
Fauci noted that the number of cases have “steeply inclined with every day.”
I already acknowledged it will likely turn out ok
I am in no way trying to scare people
solemn bay
A lot of the panic from officials is basically because they're worried about vulnerable regions, like third world countries, people without access to medical facilities, etc. It doesn't concern people in countries in with good medical healthcare.
exotic barn
I asked a basic question to gauge the mood here
vague brook
i wish you could see yourself from a neutral position
solemn bay
Well, we prefer if the topic isn't really discussed at all. @exotic barn
On the server.
exotic barn
Yep I didn’t know that until I asked about it just now
It’s my first time on the server channels asking or talking about it
vague brook
copy what you just wrote here, delete your nickname and try to guess whether its fearmongering or not
meanwhile im out
exotic barn
@vague brook it’s up to you if you stay in your home town if you are living there currently
I wouldn’t but it’s your own decision. Ok take care all
sacred lake
Hello, anyone work tech in Mannheim?
exotic barn
Hii, I have a question. Any women here? Does anyone know where I can buy menstrual cups in store in Berlin?
tight kelp
have you tried DM or Rossmann?
exotic barn
@tight kelp Haven't tried Rossman, but I went to DM and can't find it. Can't find it in regular places like Edeka or Aldi either
celest umbra
they should have them though. right next to the tampons and stuff
exotic barn
Yeah I found tampons but didn't find menstrual cups
I had to buy tampons but would really rather have cups since it's a hassle throwing stuff away
solemn bay
And you asked them too just to make sure, in case if they had them in a different place or hard to find?
Just wondering because of your phrasing "I can't find" instead of "they didn't have".
And as a side note to that, sometimes if you ask the person in the store, they may even be able to tell you who sells them (if they don't themselves). It's worth asking at least.
humble bough
I mean, not every DM has everything listed on DM's website, that depends on the size of the store
tight kelp
my aldi for example sometimes doesn't even have salt. Great selection of random garden paraphernalia, however
for all three people who have a garden around here
fleet pelican
bahaha I know the feeling berzi
tight kelp
i fucking hate them. They don't have those iron sponges(?) for cleaning pots but boy do they have a dozen different brands of canned champignons even though they also sell fresh ones
you can tell the one picking the stuff to stock is a divorced man who hates women because he hates his ex-wife and exclusively eats takeaway or stuff his own mother still makes for him despite being octogenarian
fair talon
Steel wool is the word you're looking for 👀
And the Lidl by me isnt much better 😅
They left the eggs box empty for four fucking days before refilling
Also, probably just a me complaint, but they only bring out their peanut butter (which I know they stock >.>) once every other month or so...
tight kelp
at least that's non-essential
and i know you're american but in europe there isn't really a reason to expect it to be sold. I first tried it when i came to germany just a few years ago
fair talon
I k kw, thats why I put the "me complaint" caveat 😅
The egg thing was so annoying though
And its not the first time theyve left it empty for days
tight kelp
because you share the sentiment?
vague brook
kinda, yeah
exotic barn
hey, is it possible to send money to a sparkasse account without a bank account within Germany? they gave me the iban
molten hearth
From Turkey?
exotic barn
no, within germany
I'm in Germany but I've closed my account since I'm leaving
yet now I have to send a fee
tight kelp
yes of course it's possible
exotic barn
how do I do it? go to a sparkasse branch and use the machines?
tight kelp
oh you meant cash? You need to go to a clerk and ask them
exotic barn
do all of the sparkasse branches work together? I need to deposit to an account in Taurus sparkasse(not sure about the nane)
tight kelp
well yes, this isn't year 1000
exotic barn
then I can just go with the iban number and the cash to the clerk, right? they'll probably get a commission too I guess
tight kelp
yes you can
exotic barn
Alright, thanks!
fossil sentinel
@everyone Wer amazon prime video account möchte dm ich gebe es kostenlos.
for germans only.
molten hearth
Ree ping
tight kelp
re:aldi doesn't stock basic survival stuff
i just remembered they don't stock bags for biomüll
fair talon
Whatever it is, its probably on rotating stock for some unknowable reason
They'll have it out on every third and 14th day of the month, or whenever youre not there
tight kelp
hmm nah i've lived here enough and eingekauft at the most random times of the day and week. The chances are low
fair talon
Meh, I just have terrible luck with their rotating stock 😅
tight kelp
honestly? Microsoft Word
the sites that make it for you suck big time
and they all ask for your email so that they can steal data you put in the lebenslauf and send you spam
sand lotus
Im not sure what sort of template Germans use though. As in how all the information is laid out etc
fair talon
If you dont mind a little delay while I anonimize it, I can share mine if you like 👀
German ones are usually pretty barebones in structure from what ive seen
sand lotus
@fair talon that would be awesome, vielen dank
fair talon
This is more or less the version I use (with identifying details taken out of course). Something that mine is missing that a "traditional" Lebensrauf would have is a studio photo in the top right, between the first two lines.
The Word doc if you want it
sand lotus
❤️
fair talon
😄
deep vessel
a heads up that Vahti is polish so doesn't have to jump through all the immigration hoops non-eu citizens have to
@exotic barn
deep vessel
on par with any other western country in that they'll probably scrutinize you less but for naturalisation everyone is treated the same
Outside of cultural vias e.g. employers would be more likely to hire you than say someone from Sudan, the only legal difference I'm aware of is US, Australia, New Zealand, etc, you don't need to already have a visa before entering the EU for work. Then you're allowed 90 days without visa if it's a temporary stay, or you have 90 days to acquire a visa through whatever means are relevant.
this page has the requirements for the EU Blue Card in Germany (requirements vary by destination country)
https://service.berlin.de/dienstleistung/324659/en/
solemn bay
Are you getting Blue Card when you move there, SUNSET?
deep vessel
another alternative is a residence permit for the purpose of employment which excluding 'live in berlin' (replace that with your city where you live) has the following requirements https://service.berlin.de/dienstleistung/305304/en/
a blue card if i'm in europe most likely. but i also want to learn more about austria first
the big thing with both cases is getting approval from the Federal Employment Agency
deep vessel
B Business/Commerce primarily finance and wider business services. i'm also IT trained but the FEA is less likely to recognise that. my BA also holds a lot less sway
exotic barn
I learn German more so because it’s fun for me atm than because I plan using it in a specific field
Cuz I still don’t have a major study
deep vessel
realistically though for my field, I'm going to need a year or two of experience under my belt before I'd make the move which would also give me the time to become fluent in German. so arrem and hecke can say come weeno all they want but to set myself up for success it's gonna be a good while before then.
solemn bay
Good luck, SUNSET.
deep vessel
thankyou base <3 who knows. i might decide to become a professional Udon eater in Melbourne instead
solemn bay
😻
exotic barn
Hello how do I move from England to Germany permanently
deep vessel
marry a german
odd bison
human trafficking
exotic barn
I’ll give you a short background. My boyfriend is a native German and I want to live with him in Germany permanently. I went to stay with him for 2 months but realised I couldn’t stay longer than 3 months without a residency
@deep vessel so if we marry it would allow me to stay?
deep vessel
more seriously your best bets are studying a degree there or already having a bachelor in engineering or nursing.
getting a german EU blue card is the common way to get a right to work
odd bison
- Get a job, get a visa
- Apply to a uni
- Marry
exotic barn
I have no qualifications
Would it still be possible to get a job like cleaning or something very basic
You need at least B1 for it
or B2
afaik
odd bison
Eh, i dont know if you can get a visa just to work as a cleaning lady...
Usually you first find a job and then your employer writes an invitation for you
solemn bay
For work, you don't need any specific qualifications, if the company will be willing to hire you. I mean if you can find a company that will hire you seriously in whatever language, English or something, then it doesn't matter. You can just go.
As far as I know anyway.
And if it's a suitable career, of course.
Like fozo said, maybe something like a cleaning lady wouldn't work out.
exotic barn
And working alone would allow me to get a residency permit?
solemn bay
Where are you from?
exotic barn
England
solemn bay
Oh, right.
tight kelp
Would it still be possible to get a job like cleaning or something very basic
yes definitely
and no you don't need b1
exotic barn
And working alone would allow me to get a residency permit?
@exotic barn A company could help you with that or it would be a lot easier
Even being waiter requires intermediate level though doesnt it?
solemn bay
The requirements of working are based on what the employer wants.
tight kelp
as for the permit i don't think anyone can have perfectly reliable information at this point considering you brexited last week 🙃 i'd ask the relative authorities about it
odd bison
Yeah
tight kelp
oh if it's for the permit i don't know about it. But for jobs they hire you based on what they see you can do (including communicate), but believe me i've seen my fair share of people who had no clue of german
exotic barn
I mostly saw intermediate level on websites about jobs and so on
tight kelp
we're not talking about jobs as a specialist or requiring education
if you see an anzeige on the internet asking for intermediate german it means your german is allowed to be complete shit as long as you show you can understand what they tell you to do
exotic barn
I found a job that's about to collect the signs for a campaign and evacuate them etc in Berlin and it requires C level
tight kelp
well yeah you have to talk to people in that case
exotic barn
I’ll have to ask my boyfriend if there’s any jobs available in the local area and see what’s the requirements
tight kelp
but still, take it with a grain of salt
exotic barn
I just don’t understand it though as I am going to move in with someone who is already German and lived there since birth
marriage is the keyword
makes things alot easier
But apparently I need a job and everything for that too. It’s ridiculous
woot
you need a job to be able to marry?
nah job is an option
kek
but it makes things easier too
if you have a company which helps you a bit
Well I’m gonna try my best and see where things lead
exotic barn
you can get german nationality easier
Possibly marriage would be the best option in my scenario
odd bison
if you dont want to get married, you need a job
exotic barn
because they pay for some language courses and so on
tight kelp
jein. I know of people who have a german partner but that has worked against them, in the sense that yes they get to put their foot in the door easily but they don't learn any german nor how anything works because everything is done for them by others
exotic barn
it requries 5 years to get citizenship even though you marry a German girl though
@tight kelp thats why i said to look out for a company/job which offers some language course
That’s fine. I just want to be able to live a life in Germany alongside my current boyfriend
a lot companies do that
tight kelp
being completely alone certainly sucks; it was quite hard for me and my husband (both non-germans) but i learned a lot from the experience (also having to do everything for the both of us myself since his german was basically zero at the time)
odd bison
hows jojos german now
tight kelp
much better than the last time you saw him :D
though if you ask me it could always be better ù.u
fair talon
Ugh, if I knew about Sabine, I wouldve grabbed more than just Sunday's groceries yesterday... 😅
exotic barn
I really want to move to germany but I have no idea how or if I'll even be allowed to and it's stressing me out ,_,
calm crag
If you really want something, you can achieve it. You can do it!
exotic barn
I don't know if I'm allowed to though
calm crag
how old are you?
exotic barn
15
calm crag
ok that's pretty young. So if I were you. I'd use the years until you can actually move to germany, to learn german and get better at it. This will greatly improve chances that you can live here.
Just see it as a goal
exotic barn
I know - It's just stressing me out :c
calm crag
you are young, you have A LOT of time, if you use that time you don't have to be stressed out. Just do small steps until you reach your goal.
you can do it
fair talon
^This. Honestly, its not nearly as much of a great odyssey to do as its made out to be.
Especially with the amount of time you're giving yourself to prepare
exotic barn
I don't even know how though
calm crag
so i can only relate to learning english, since I'm a native speaker
read and watch stuff you like in german
or try to. Go with subtitles
listen to music, get a hang of the language
just use your interests
calm crag
oh so you want to know what's the process
exotic barn
My point is - I don't know how to move there nor how to even apply
fair talon
Well, you move there by boarding a plane and flying over. How you apply depends on if you want to study there or work there 👀
calm crag
Ok i never was in contact with immigration but there surely are people on here that moved to germany. Maybe you should ask someone like that
Even better is that they probably made mistakes, and you can learn from their mistakes
Where are you from Jama ?
exotic barn
England
calm crag
I mean that's not even that huge then. If you were from the US or an asian country or africa it would be harder I imagine.
calm crag
hey look at that i think this will come in handy : https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-germany#what-you-should-do
solemn bay
You can find information about that by going to either country's website and reading about visas and residency.
However, if you are from the UK, the current situation means things are in the process of changing.
exotic barn
Which is what is stressing me out
solemn bay
Most people recommend directly contacting a relevant authority to find information.
calm crag
^
But for Jama it's different since she isn't (volljährig) sry bad english
what's volljährig in english
exotic barn
Of age
calm crag
thanks
exotic barn
/ an adult
exotic barn
Ye
calm crag
thanks learned something here
sullen robin
@exotic barn was wirst du studieren?
exotic barn
Idk
solemn bay
How does your age change how you get information?
I think even if you're a teenager you can research it.
calm crag
not how you get information, but jama said she is 15.
so she has to be 18 to move alone right
exotic barn
Yes
calm crag
so that's 3 years. In that 3 years things will change cause of brexit
that's why it's different for her
sullen robin
du wirst wahrscheinlich ohne Problem nach Deutschland umziehen können
calm crag
Maybe things won't change as much as people are thinking
exotic barn
And probably get rejected 
exotic barn
Why won't I
solemn bay
Why would you get rejected?
exotic barn
Because I don't bring anything of value lol
solemn bay
If you are planning to go there to work or study, then if you follow the requirements, it should work out.
calm crag
If you have work here or you are accepted to study here you can live here
it's not that hard
exotic barn
That sounds hard
solemn bay
Yes, it is.
exotic barn
How do you get work in a country you don't live in
sullen robin
es kommt darauf an, was du studieren wirst.
calm crag
Ok i don't know that first hand so, I'd rather let people explain that know more than me sry.
exotic barn
@solemn bay Which is probably why I won't end up doing it
sullen robin
Wenn du z.B. IT studierst und etwas Erfahrung in einem Job hast, wird es einfach für dich sein
solemn bay
Spend a few years researching and planning and then you can decide after that if you really want to do it.
It's not something you do on a whim.
solemn bay
If you haven't done any research or preparation, it doesn't matter if you wanted to for a minute or a decade.
You still need to do that stuff.
exotic barn
But I have
solemn bay
Then you should know about how to apply and what you need to do.
exotic barn
But I don't, because it's changing
solemn bay
Which is great. I hope it works out.
solemn bay
Then you will have to wait like everyone else, until the matter is resolved.
Thousands of people are in the same situation as you right now.
Everyone is just waiting to see how it turns out.
exotic barn
Seriously don't worry about that much... it will be possibly to study/work in germany like it is possible from alot other countries especially from uk
fair talon
Whatever the case, enough people travel between Europe and the UK that regardless of what deal they do, Im sure they wont make it too much of a hassle
exotic barn
requirements/laws will change a bit, make sure you know them thats it
solemn bay
You can register for updates and contact people for info and all that stuff. I think that's the best thing to do for now.
fair talon
That and of course work on the German 👀
sullen robin
in der Zwischenzeit kannst du Deutsch lernen und beherrschen
exotic barn
Ok
Thanks I guess
Well, it says it stays the same until 31st dec 2020
So
Basically I miss the window of not needing a visa
So that's great..
⚠️⚠️ACHTUNG ACHTUN WICHTIG WICHTIG⚠️⚠️
https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/panorama/id_87304580/tid_amp/orkan-sabine-im-liveticker-sturm-richtet-erste-schaeden-in-deutschland-an.html
Orkan "Sabine" im Liveticker: Sturm richtet erste Schäden in ...
solemn bay
@exotic barn You don't need to post that here. We're not a news or Weather warning service.
exotic barn
@solemn bay SORRY
exotic barn
Guys I need someone who took an exam of Goethe institut
quick
The registrations are gonna be open tomorrow and im gonna apply for it
What are the requirements to apply? What do i need?
ping me please when replying
molten hearth
You just fill in the online form and they will send you a confirmation mail with the bank details. Then you transfer the exam fee in two days. That’s it 
@exotic barn
exotic barn
I mean, what's required on the online form? I can take precautions before takin' it
molten hearth
Just your personal info
exotic barn
Is a photo of mine required?
molten hearth
No
exotic barn
Digga weshalb soll ich den Rundfunkbeitrag zahlen? Ich benutze das scheiß Radio nicht. Die Firma tut so als hätte sie eine Bestätigung von mir bekommen, in der ich geschrieben habe dass ich ihren scheiß Dienst benutze.
Oder dass ich etwas unterschrieben habe
aber das hab ich nicht
exotic barn
Dabei greifen sie als letztes Mittel auch auf Zwangsvollstreckungen zurück – nach eigenen Angaben aber erst, nachdem der Beitragspflichtige mehrfach nicht auf Anschreiben reagiert hat. Wie oft es tatsächlich zu solchen Vollstreckungen kommt, konnten die Anstalten gegenüber der Anwaltauskunft nicht beantworten.
Wer länger als sechs Monate nicht zahlt, begeht zudem laut Rundfunkbeitragsstaatsvertrag eine Ordnungswidrigkeit und kann – rein theoretisch – mit einem Bußgeld belegt werden. In der Praxis sehen die Landesrundfunkanstalten aber in der Regel davon ab, ein Bußgeld zu beantragen.
Die Sache ist, ich bleibe nur 3 Monate mehr
Dann kehre ich nach Amerika zurück
vague brook
welcome in europe, the place where you have to pay taxes and random money for stuff you may not have wanted in the first place
sullen robin
es ist völlig egal, ob du kein Radio hörst oder gar keinen Fernseher besitzt
tight kelp
welcome in europe, the place where you have to pay taxes and random money for stuff you may not have wanted in the first place
that's good, or else a whole bunch of motherfuckers wouldn't pay the taxes needed to support people who need it. The Rundfunkbeitrag doesn't fall into this category anyway because it's not a Europe-wide thing
rose craneBOT
:x: Member 'welcome' not found.
exotic barn
Im Brief steht mein Name @tight kelp
tight kelp
on the website of the rundfunkbeitrag or the piece of paper you can send back there should be an option to communicate that someone is already paying that for the given wohnung
the tax is to be paid once per living unit (wohnung, haus etc), unless the person can prove they have no relation to the other residents, in which case they pay on their own
exotic barn
Joa als ich in einer WG gewohnt habe, hab ich das eigentlich auch schon mal gemacht, weil einer der Mitbewohner gesagt hat, er zahlt dafür
Ich mach das einfach mal und hoffe dass ich keine anderen Meldungen von der Firma bekomme
tight kelp
jetzt soll deine Gastfamilie den Beitrag auch für dich bezahlen
exotic barn
Ich hab der Familie auch schon ne Gebühr bezahlt, damit ich bei ihnen bleiben darf
tight kelp
außer die wollen nicht und sie müssen in diesem Fall das mitteilein. Wenn sie das schon gemacht haben, und das ist der Grund aus dem du den Brief bekommen hast, dann musst du es bezahlen
odd bison
falls er da bei der Gastfamilie angemeldet ist, muss er den Beitrag zahlen
exotic barn
Meinst du bei der Stadt...? @odd bison
Weil man auch zum Einwohnermeldeamt gehen muss um sich bei der Stadt anzumelden
odd bison
Bei ihnen in der Wohnung/im Haus
Ja falls du das gemacht hast, musst du den Beitrag bezahlen. z.B. wenn es ein kurzer Aufenthalt wäre (Reise), muss man den Rundfunkbeitrag bezahlen, aber wenn du da angemeldet bist, schon
da es quasi dein fester Wohnort ist
tight kelp
foxo, soweit ich weiß ist normalerweise nur ein Beitrag pro Wohnung zu bezahlen
glass trench
@sick imp can you check what he tried to parse when you scroll up a bit
tight kelp
und die Gastfamilie ist voraussiehtlich schon bei seiner Wohnung angemeldet
odd bison
aber ist es nicht so, dass je mehr in der Wohnung wohnen, desto größer ist der Beitrag
😮
und die Gastfamilie ist voraussiehtlich schon bei seiner Wohnung angemeldet
?
tight kelp
daswegen sollte nur die Gastfamilie den Beitrag bezahlen, und das für sich selbst, plus den neuen Gast
sick imp
Yeah I know about that but I don't know exactly why it's happening. I'll look into it.
glass trench
Alright
tight kelp
aber ist es nicht so, dass je mehr in der Wohnung wohnen, desto größer ist der Beitrag
ja aber eine weitere Person ändert nicht unbedingt den Betrag des Beitrages
tight kelp
wenn ich mich nicht irre, gibt es Gruppierungen
odd bison
ich hab mich damit nicht wirklich beschäftigt... wohne halt immer in WGs und da gibt es normalerweise schon eine Person die das für mich macht
tight kelp
zb 1 Person = x €, 2-4 Personen = y € usw.
exotic barn
hmm...also ich mach gerade ein Auslandsjahr, und ich mach das mit einem amerikanischen Auslandsprogramm, und meine Kurse finden am Campus einer deutschen Uni statt, ich bin aber technisch kein Student an dieser deutschen Uni. Aber ich habe Studienberater die auch dort arbeiten im internationalen Büro, die mir bei dieser Frage wahrscheinlich helfen können, also werde ich sie mal morgen darüber fragen. Mir wurde von ihnen auch diese Gastfamilie zugewiesen.
fierce flower
tight kelp
it's impossible not to immediately think of you when such a question comes up
even people who don't know you think of you
hidden briar
most people don't care
exotic barn
@hidden briar Like don't care about making it legal or don't care about whether people use it or not
hidden briar
both, but more the first
foggy prism
which mostly sucks for medicinal uses; I worked in a nursing home and quite a few patients were illegally using cannabis oil as it helps to lessen the symptoms of parkinson’s
(alongside approved meds and everything in a very controlled manner)
tight kelp
most of the reason boils down to catholics being the political majority
exotic barn
@foggy prism Really? I think CBD usage is legal here but THC isn't
I thought most medical usage is usually CBD?
foggy prism
dunno the situation in Germany, but in Switzerland medical cannabis useage requires a relatively tedious application procedure and only few patients get approved for it
tight kelp
god forbid xd
hidden briar
@tight kelp not sure that that is the cause, I have never voted for the CDU, and a party stance on it has never influenced my voting
tight kelp
i didn't say it's because of the catholics (as in each and every one)
nor did i point at CDU specifically
exotic barn
I feel like I smell weed here at least once a week
But back in Colorado I smelt it literally at least once every day
@exotic barn I do smell weed in Berlin but I don't know where people got it from lol bc it certainly isn't legal
I’m near Hamburg and I smell it here too
I’ve been wondering this too
“How do people get it when it’s illegal” has definitely crossed my mind
I guess the same way that people get alcohol in the US that are under 21
tight kelp
it's easy to grow and smuggling the seeds isn't hard either
exotic barn
I don’t think it’s all too popular here anyway
Much more people smoke
Which is funny considering that it’s supposedly more damaging than weed is
Yeah I'm from Indonesia and we have issues with cigarette consumption, but here in Berlin it's even more intense
Like I see the streets littered with so many cigarette buds. It's worse than Jakarta in terms of smoking
tight kelp
doesn't help that ads for tobacco aren't banned
exotic barn
But I do smell weed quite a lot of times here. Like just pass by and it's like wow that's one smelly weed, and they do it right on the Bahn lol
tight kelp
many people smoke in italy but it's been on the decline for a while, and you don't see enormous banners with cigarettes on them. In germany they're everywhere
exotic barn
Idk where they got it. I heard Berlin's weed are often laced with dangerous stuff
tight kelp
and even young people smoke
tight kelp
that's a bit of a generalisation now :P
exotic barn
Smoking is gross in my personal opinion. I don’t mind hanging around people who do it, it’s just the thought of it that’s gross. And the smell too partially.
@tight kelp LOL I guess yeah not everyone smokes ofc
But I feel like coming here with my pale pink, beige winter coat and light blue boots, I feel out of place in Berlin's super edgy look
Like a lot of women here have this look where they put on a bit less apparent makeup, wear grey, brown or black (and sometimes red), edgy boots, and smoke
tight kelp
don't let the greyness get to you. Europeans are terrible at dressing themselves
and germans are probably below the average too
exotic barn
@tight kelp My dad just told me to buy a black or Gray coat hahaha
So I can blend in
red phoenix
@tight kelp says the guy from the country that designed the fckin Multipla
red phoenix
except if it'd make you look like me because I look nice
at least according to my mama
tight kelp
people just dress uninventively because they're scared to be judged or, even worse, just copy others without thinking
red phoenix
@fierce flower I speak cars. What do you need?
sand lotus
CVs generally have a photo of yourself correct?
exotic barn
usually yes, but i think the laws got changed, so a company actually can't ask for one, but It's been a rule for ages to add one
i know some companies got sued when they asked for one and that the reason for the laws. Adding a pic is the way to go imo.
sand lotus
awesome thank you
fair talon
Ugh, I keep putting off getting one taken 😅
tight kelp
there is absolutely no requirement for a photo and i've gotten calls for my very modest cv without one
i've even heard rumours that some companies have started automatically rejecting ones with photos to avoid possible discrimination (or being accused of it)
honestly i'd go against any of the boomers who push the convention to still have one and include none
sand lotus
I mean its a publicly funded position I would hope that they wouldnt discriminate
tight kelp
then you also have nothing to fear for not including a picture
humble bough
I guess the same way that people get alcohol in the US that are under 21
it's actually a pretty different situation because most people under 21 get alcohol by either getting someone who is older than them and can buy it legally to buy it for them, or by pretending to be older than they are and buying it themselves by pretending to be legal
this is sorta a thing in places that have medical weed but in places that don't have that, it's v different because there isn't a legal way of buying it in the first place
tight kelp
as far as cigarettes are concerned, it's the same situation. But yes it's quite different for cannabis
humble bough
also to the person who was asking about medicinal weed, there's definitely medical weed with THC in it
tight kelp
(what's the age limit for cigs in the USA?)
humble bough
18
tho some cities are raising it so you have to be 21 to buy them
smoking cigs is looked down upon a lot more in the US than in Europe tho
so I don't think very many young people do it anyway
tight kelp
true, though it depends on the specific area in the case of europe
humble bough
for sure, but at least Germany definitely has more young smokers than back home did, it was one of the first things I noticed when I moved
tight kelp
oh yes, germany smokes a lot
humble bough
France was worse tho 👀
tight kelp
the french seem to take it as a mark of pride even
but as i said before, i was surprised to see that cigarettes advertisement is so commonplace in germany. I had never noticed that it's not at all a thing in italy
humble bough
is it a thing here? I haven't seen any ads for it but I don't exactly read ads in detail
I assumed they would've outlawed advertising cigarettes by now; they did that ages ago in the US
tight kelp
you mean in germany? There's pretty massive adverts around any train station and ubahn here
vague brook
smoking in germany is fucking uncivilized
i was so goddamn disgusted when i first came here
even Poland has more laws that prohibit and limit it
but i guess tax money is tax money
tight kelp
yeah i deff don't approve
vague brook
like i went to the train station and people were smoking, like what year is it, 1980?
tight kelp
side-note: yesterday i was cleaning my share of the stairs and there was a spent cigarette. On the fucking stairs.
humble bough
most of the ads I've seen around the U-Bahn are like "wear condoms pls" and "pls let airbnb into ur city"
might just only be those ones that I notice lol
tight kelp
right now around my area's ubahns there's some nonsense by the government but i know at least one place that has never not had cigarette adverts since i've lived here
i don't think it's coincidental that it's at the main station, on the side that leads to the most densely turkish-populated quarter
humble bough
hmmm might definitely be different depending which stations then too 🤔
fair talon
Thered a big cigarette ad just two or three meters from my front door 😅
Whats funny is they have the legally mandated "smoking is bad" stuff on the boxes (like depictions of teeth rotting and whatnot), but the ads themselves are like the old school Marlboro level advertisments 👀
tight kelp
yeah exactly
also, massive shiny red box of tobacco, teeny weeny boring-looking white band with black text telling you what your mum would if she didn't smoke herself
it's just too obvious where lobbies got the better poker hand
warm flume
hello, can anyone who's very familiar with the bottschaft and Visum stuff help me please ? this is super urgent and i'm in need of urgent help, i don't have much time and i'm looking for a miracle, please dm me
and please no, i can't just type it here, i'd like to dm someone please
fair talon
A bit more context might help people know if they can.
Nationality, work visa/student visa/blue card, etc
You don't need to give the full story, but just "Visum stuff" is super broad/vague
warm flume
It’s a long story
I wish I could write it here but it contains my secrets
Alright I’ll do my best
kaiserslautern’s uni required me to prove that I speak English
because I lack such a document I contacted them and they told me : sure you can pass an English test here at the uni
the bottschaft on the other hand insisted that I should give them a document that proves that I speak English very well
Or at least if I’m gonna pass the test, they want to know my English level
And I’m out of time, the Kaiserslautern uni will end their registering phase in about 2 weeks, and I have to be there for the dsh exam in the first week of the next month
The toefel exam will offer me the results until its too late 😦
Tltr : i need something to prove to the bottschaft that I speak English
Added note : I only have my abitur’s grades which shows that I have 14/20 in English, if anyone would like to read the email the bottschaft sent me, dm me I cant post it here
This is urgent and I have to reply to the them ASAP please 😭
tight kelp
i don't know if they do this sort of thing but have you tried contacting your embassy and asking if they can do anything about it?
warm flume
the reason they're asking is because : in kaiserslautern, i require a C1 level of english, and they're afraid i won't pass it thus making me unable to register for the master
the least they can, according to the email, is to determine "if i can speak english" so that i won't have issues in the english test in kaiserslautern
they just want to know my level
i contacted the toefel guys, they said the results do come in 2-3 weeks, same for most internationally known english test organisations
tight kelp
so the problem is that all the options you have seem to take more time than you have?
warm flume
yeah, i'm trying to contact private schools, but they say it's imperative for me to be a student in the school so that they can determine my level
tight kelp
if the school is the one requiring it, and they can "determine if you can speak english", can't they do it themselves within the deadline?
warm flume
alright let me add a small detail
the bottschaft changed a part of the guidelines recently, which insists that :
you need a Zulassung that allows you to enter the DSH kurs, and simultaneously guarantees a place in the master, now just a zulassung that says : you'll go have a place in the master studium until you get a good grade in the DSH
and since then, they have to make sure that i have everything needed to have a place in the master
the least they did was to ask me to determine my english level, just so that i won't have issues with the test in kaiserslautern