simple as that, really
#archived-culture-study-visa
foggy prism
tame forum
Never knew this.... It seems like this trend of doing masters abroad exists in most countries
foggy prism
academia wants you to go to different places for some reason
I don’t really wanna leave my uni but if I wanna stay in academia eventually I’ll have to I guess
note that idk if I’m gonna even do that
tame forum
Academia as in... Going for a phd?,
foggy prism
among other things
doesn’t stop there
necessarily
but like
bachelor’s first
then master’s
then teaching diploma
and then we’ll see
tame forum
That sounds overwhelming when u put it that way😤
whole root
Bachelor’s
foggy prism
yes
tame forum
I thought it will be smooth sailimg after A levels
foggy prism
bachelor’s degree
tame forum
Boy was i wrong
foggy prism
I mean, imo university is just way more fun than high school
dry nacelle
Depends xD
whole root
Ye I guess it would be
foggy prism
provided you study sth you enjoy of course
I mean it’s also way more work
I won’t deny that
whole root
Well anyways, do you perhaps know of any?
foggy prism
but I actually care about it
tame forum
At the moment cant decide between going for a uni or Fh in germany....
dry nacelle
Well thats what i thought... at uni i finally stidy only the stuff im interested in.
HA
tame forum
Hope fh's are fun
foggy prism
for me that’s actually mostly the case so I’m happy :P
foggy prism
that’s not necessarily a bad thing imo
even if you won’t need it, having learned it once broadens your view of things anyway
and learning itself is something to practice
tame forum
Sascha is lucky he enjoys maths so much.... My mood swings a lot regarding maths
dry nacelle
Its annoying and unnecessary
foggy prism
I’ve figured out more or less what I wanna do in my third year now too, yay
tame forum
Btw vitus... Isnt that also one of the reasons people dodge unis and opt for fh's...
dry nacelle
As a future teacher i wanna learn how to teach relevant school material, not pretend im an oecd representative at a european climate conference and present someone elses powerpoint 
tame forum
Cuz of the useless theory?
dry nacelle
Uhm... uni and fh just teach different things for different professions
I couldnt become a teacher at an fh
And you couldnt become a specified programmer at a uni
tight kelp
specified programmer?
dry nacelle
Yea like for robotics etc
tight kelp
still unsure what that nomenclature means. Never heard it before
dry nacelle
I know a few people in programming courses... theyre very specific about their field
tame forum
I think i saw a hochschule in badwurtemburg where one could do EE and get a physics traching degree or something
dry nacelle
Hochschule =/= Fachhochschule
tight kelp
programming doesn't necessarily require a degree though, it's different than teaching in that regard
dry nacelle
Yep
Hence why uni and fh are two completely different things
(At least in austria 
)
tame forum
So hochschules are jus ....... In the middle?
whole root
May I ask what fh is?
dry nacelle
FH=Fachhochschule
tame forum
Fachhodchules..... Where studies are.more practical oriented
dry nacelle
A hochschule is more uni like
whole root
Ahhh, is it equivalent to uni?
foggy prism
does germany have a rigoros difference between hochschule and uni?
cause here it’s just, the Universitäten are cantonal
and the Hochschulen are not
dry nacelle
Like for becoming a teacher im at a Pädagogische Hochschule, but i could also go to a uni (and i actually did until recently)
foggy prism
(e.g. ETH is federal)
dry nacelle
Idk how administration works
tame forum
I think there is...... Unis are on one side...... And fachhochschules have the practical oriented studies..... The recent Hochschules ..... AFAIK and NOT SURE.......were called FH earlier and now have got a name change to HH
I think it has something to do with the bologna process
Tslkimg about germany btw
whole root
Are the courses taught in English?
whole root
Hm yeah, as I’ve noticed bachelor’s degree courses are rarely taught in English
foggy prism
and also not in germany
whole root
Wasn’t it B2?
whole root
Is that because the courses are not taught in English?
foggy prism
I mean it doesn’t fit your criterion of being in germany anyway
unless WW3 has happened without me noticing
dry nacelle
Wouldnt be surprising if switzerland didnt notice it 😛
whole root
However, I want to enter uni in Germany where courses are taught in English, at least for the first years
I can’t seem to find good universities that offer bachelor’s in English
whole root
What, really?
dry nacelle
The german speaking area is very "behind" on that
I mean you could argue if its good or bad
But generally we like our native language 😛
foggy prism
(it’s good)
worldly whale
Switzerland during WW2 : "I don't care, I'm neutral"
dry nacelle
I think its good too
foggy prism
switzerland post-1848*
dry nacelle
Like in the NL dutch is almost being eliminated at their unis
Basically eradicating their native tongue from higher education
foggy prism
and in 100 years they’re complaining that dutch is actually dying
worldly whale
why does 1848 sounds like an important date to me...?
dry nacelle
But in vienna you can study Nederlandistik 
foggy prism
bunch of countries tried to get a constitution going, switzetland succeded
germany and italy both also had such ideas
dry nacelle
@worldly whale cos revolution? 
worldly whale
France also, but failed miserably
¯_(ツ)_/¯
1848 is the year when Napoleon III of France was elected President... But then he decided to keep the power in 1852 by making him emperor until 1870 when he lost the war against the Prussian armies.
It's funny to see that France and Germany couldn't get along at all for a hundred years
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Anyway... I was wondering... how is University in Germany? 🤔
foggy prism
how in what sense
worldly whale
like, how does it work for the class, etc.
tight kelp
one thing that is often said of german uni is that, compared to other countries, it gives more freedom but also more burden on the student to research and learn stuff on their own, as opposed to being "handholded" by lectures
whole root
Does TUM only offer bachelor’s courses in german? I’ve read that this is true, however I’ve also been told that there are English courses?
whole root
Not for bachelor’s?
tame forum
Nah
On the daad website u can add a "english" only filter i think
And look at the unis.
humble bough
you definitely can
lunar garden
hello, I have a visa question
is it possible to change your student visa into student application visa while in Germany?
molten hearth
do hochschule masters usually last 3 semesters?
hidden briar
2 years is usual (3 semesters + 1 for writing your thesis)
tame forum
but i think it can extend though...... idk if for masters people usually complete it within the recommended time
molten hearth
3 semesters mean I shouldn’t apply there?😄@hidden briar
atomic trout
Hey, I am a Dane and want to study an IT bachelor in Munich (been looking at TUM and MUAS), it seems all of them are in German, so I would have to take a German proficiency test, which do you recommend and is cheap? I am a beginner at German atm, but I want to make an effort into learning the language so I can study there, my girlfriend moves there for work and I want to move in with her. I considered working there while preparing for the German test. What are your thoughts?
fleet pelican
It's definitely manageable but depending on your time frame can be made either easier or harder
tight kelp
tests that are usually recognised by all unis are TestDAF, DSH, and those by Goethe Institut
atomic trout
Okay, it doesn’t really matter which one I take? None of them you can recommend specifically
tight kelp
i only personally sat TestDAF. They vary in cost and difficulty, but also in the sort of results they give
testdaf for example gives you a result independent of CEFR levels, and there's only one version of the test, whose results determine your general proficiency in each of speaking, listening, writing and reading
solemn bay
You might want to check specifically with the uni as it's possible they might accept only a specific test. Well, not sure, but important to check it at least.
tight kelp
whereas others might have separate tests, with different pricing, for various levels
but yes what base says
solemn bay
Another consideration that's good to know: you generally have to go to a specific testing location for these kind of tests. You might have to pick one that's at a reasonable travelling distance or who's holding a test on a suitable date for you.
atomic trout
Yes, I would prefer it to be close to Munich, since that’s where I will live
Thanks for the advice 😄
solemn bay
Np. Good luck.
atomic trout
Until I will move there, I will have to self study. Do you have any recommendations for good material? Been using Duolingo for a bit, but I find it very easy so far
solemn bay
Sure. My recommendation is to make sure to get at least one study task covering each skill. Generally this includes grammar, vocab, reading, writing, speaking and listening. You can balance that however you want. Most of those you can do pretty easily, just using this discord and YouTube and stuff. Grammar is usually the tricky one for people.
For that you can find out what topics you don't know yet (there are lists of grammar topics in the resource list or you can use >ex beginner in #botchannel if you're a total beginner) and then Google it or ask here. You can pick up any half-decent textbook. I really encourage doing worksheets (also in the resource list). There's also a good beginner book Basic German in the resource list you can use if you want.
German has such a huge amount of resources that you don't really need to get one particular source. You can just google anything whenever you want to know about it, and look at multiple sources.
atomic trout
Ah, cool I really appreciate it ☺ will check it out
solemn bay
And if you're looking for a source for a specific topic sometime, feel free to ask in #questions like "Where can I read about prepositions?" or whatever. Way easier to give recommendations on material per question rather than just overall.
atomic trout
Yeah, I see 😄 thanks man
crimson yew
Hi, I need to ask something. I need to find an Apartment but, I can't find a cheap one. Have anybody advices? (Websites or an Agency or something else)
mystic anvil
@crimson yew a good app or website is "Airbnb ".
crimson yew
@mystic anvil Isn't it just for a short time period ?
mystic anvil
i don't know , man
maybe you can buy a cheap Apartment for a long time, from " Booking.com " .
tame forum
@crimson yew maybe specifying the city/ town in which you are apartment hunting help people answer you.
crimson yew
@tame forum I search around Bochum. An apartment which cost max. 350€. I'll be a student in RUB. But, Apartments in close distances are OK.
tame forum
hmm i dont live in Deutschland, sorry for giving you the misunderstanding, i merely gave the tip so u can perhaps get more specific answers,
tight kelp
including utilities and whatnot, you can't find a place in bochum for that price
except if you share it with someone. You can look for WG, Wohngemeinschaften; there are websites for that that you can find by simply googling the word.
lunar garden
advice on how to book a room for a day or two in Dresden?
im planning to take the goethe institute test in Dresden next may
solemn bay
What kind of advice do you need?
lunar garden
what sort of website should I use
and what is the procedure?
I have never done this before by the way 😅
solemn bay
Just google Dresden Germany hotels. Or look on airbnb or something similar.
lunar garden
and how does the payment work?
do I pay them and they ship me a ticket or something similar?
solemn bay
You can usually pay online with a credit or debit card or paypal and they email you the details.
I've never stated in Germany though so I don't know specifics.
lunar garden
do I print out the details usually?
solemn bay
It's a good idea to do it just in case. But usually you can just show ID or something and they check it on their computer.
carmine pilot
you can use booking.com
they require sometimes your card to make a reservation
and you recieve your booking PIN and reservation info on your e-mail and your app
lunar garden
hmm okay, thanks guys!
surreal ermine
Wenn mein Bafög bis zum September des Jahres bewilligt ist und die Frau vom Amt mir aber jetzt einen Brief schreibt ich soll innerhalb der nächsten Tage einen Forderungsantrag stellen, sonst könnte es zur Zahlungsunterbrechung kommen, inwiefern bekomme ich dann jetzt Probleme wenn ich den Antrag erst im Mai stelle?
Ich dachte ich kann den Antrag noch bis Oktober stellen, und es würde trotzdem nicht zur einer Unterbrechung kommen, auch wenn es dann vielleicht nachgezahlt würde?? 😫
strong dome
Wenn es bewilligt ist, dürfte es nicht zu einer Unterbrechung kommen. Vielleicht will sie nur sichergehen, dass du es im Oktober auch bekommst? Miete und so : )
am Besten aber da direkt nachfragen
steel mauve
Hallo, Leute! Gibt es besondere deutsche Traditionen beim Ostern die gibt nicht in andere Ländern?
cinder barn
Naja der Osterhase kommt soweit ich weiß aus Deutschland aber ist mittlerweile weiter verbreitet
steel mauve
Ich dachte das ist von den USA
Sonst die Geschäfte wollen das Geld verdienen und man kann überall Hähnchen, Hasen und Schokoeier kaufen
dry nacelle
Osterlamm ftw
tranquil valve
Flying to Germany in 2 days. I bought a ticket for Frankfurt to Berlin with 2 connections. One of which is a 5-minute window. I wasn't attentive and did not notice how small that window is... How long do trains wait around from their arrival times?
tight kelp
If you can do an online check-in you can run and they'll wait for you for a time. It's not particularly polite but it works
tranquil valve
@faint plaza Danke, I'll prepare to run then 😛
faint plaza
Yeah would be good 😂
tranquil valve
@tight kelp Wow, they'll wait for one particular person because they checked in?
Guess it would be very unlikely that the first train I take would arrive late, causing me to miss the second one?
I'm too used to trains from my city, where 10-15 minutes late is actually pretty good 😛
tight kelp
well, that's how check-in works
i don't know whether there are fines or anything though. You should probably call them to ask them how much time they'll wait and stuff
german trains can definitely be late btw 👀
but in my experience, despite the natives complaining about them often, they're much more reliable than my home country
tranquil valve
Interesting, I was confused to wtf checking in did. Figured it just spared the attendent from finding you for the ticket? Well... I'll hope for stereotypical German punctuality when arriving to Erfurt Hbf 😛
faint plaza
@tight kelp schonmal s Bahn gefahren? Da sind Züge ein Witz gegen
tranquil valve
Are the ICE Bahn reliable time-wise, generally?
tranquil valve
Excellent. Hey, thanks again! 0233 here so I'm off to sleep.
faint plaza
0935 here same for now :^)
tight kelp
the stereotypical punctuality is actually swiss
solemn bay
Oh yeah, some girl from Switzerland who is at my uni told me the transport there is always 100% punctual.
I was like wtf
fleet pelican
Yeah the Swiss have this general attitude of never leaving a few minute windows for things
Simply because they never have to lmao
tame forum
Swiss ppl r blessed.
exotic barn
Weiss jemand, wo man in Berlin deutsche Tastaturaufkleber kauft?
Ich habe einen englischen Laptop aber ich muss viel deutsch schreiben
tight kelp
du musst nicht unbedingt einen deutschen Layout dafür nuzten: du kannst einfach US-International (oder UK-International - ich glaube, das existiert auch)
sonst würde ich einfach auf amazon oder ebay gucken
pale saddle
Base du kannst ja die spracheinstellungen auf UK stellen
solemn bay
Er existiert aber man muss ihn selbst herunterladen.
pale saddle
und die tastatur auf US int
solemn bay
UK Tastatur ist unterschiedlich von US. Der gute INTL is nur für den US Layout, soweit ich weiß.
tight kelp
"gute" ist eine Übertreibung aber ja
man kann zB nicht einmal die Pinyinzeichen für Ton schreiben
solemn bay
Ich meine, dass er alle der Zeichen und keine untershiedliche Tasten hat.
Mit UK ist das nicht einfach, denke ich.
pale saddle
How do you change to US int btw?
I have it on my main PC but I cant seem to find it on my other one
theres only US standard
solemn bay
See if you can select the language US and then open settings/options for that language.
And then you should be able to add extra keyboards.
pale saddle
wtf
why did they hide it like that
at least make the button visible without me clicking on the thing first
solemn bay
Yeah, agreed.
pale saddle
and why is there an advanced keyboard settings when this option is not included there
solemn bay
Because it was made by dummies.
pale saddle
But anyway thanks a lot
solemn bay
😒
foggy prism
Saget mir, oh weise Leuts
Soll ich es überhaupt erst versuchen, heute auf den 18:07 Zug zu gehen, der von Hamburg her kommt? Er hat im Moment Verspätung, somit ist es nicht unwarscheinlich, dass er ersetzt wird, und dann wohl wieder mit einem winzigen Zug, wie die letzten beiden Male
tight kelp
wie spät soll er denn kommen? Und wie lang wäre deine Fahrt?
foggy prism
Momentan 15m Verspätung, meine Strecke sind die letzten ~1h15 der Verbindung
der Zug wird öfters ersetzt
und die Ersatzzüge sind 💩
ich hab versucht, es auf den 17:37 zu schaffen, aber ich hab den Zug zum Hauptbahnhof verpasst, werd's nicht schaffen
ah lol, fällt aus => ersatzzug => ich schau dann mal, was so fährt
wenn er zu klein ist, nehm ich den Regio, oder wart bis 18:37
regio fährt 18:12, ist aber ungemütlich
faint plaza
Ice is immer lustig
foggy prism
ja, vor allem weil er es gern einfach nicht bis auf Zürich schafft
faint plaza
Rip
foggy prism
"Das Zugteam begrüsst Sie im ICE nach (5 sekunden Pause) Chur"
danke für die Panikattacke, und schön, dass du weisst, wo's hingeht, Herr Zugführer
tight kelp
solange das auf einem Zug und nicht einem Flugzeug passiert... :D
hidden briar
dann liegt Düsseldorf in Schottland ^^
steel mauve
How different? If you will get any official paper about the name change it would help in any case
steel mauve
Normally, 1 letter shouldn't be a problem. However, it depends on the officer who checks it etc
I wish I could be more help
tbh, you'd contact the embassy
Contact them
If they can send you something all gonna be OK
Gern geschehen!
steel mauve
Ich frage für mein Bekannter: Kann man außer der EU, ein Ausbildung in der Schweiz machen?
tame forum
Oh ya i keep forgetting switzerland isnt in EU
undone gyro
Ich möchte eine Prüfung machen
Weiß noch nicht welche Zertifikat ich machen soll
Telc oder testdaf oder Goethe oder eine andere
Ich würde gerne c1 machen aber ich brauche mehr Zeit dafür
Also entweder B2 oder c1
C1 später
Oh und ich will sie entweder in Wien oder in England
Kann jemand mir helfen?
tame forum
what do you need the help for exactly? to determine whether ur c1 or B2?
undone gyro
Deciding which test to do
tame forum
ohh
undone gyro
And where I will do it
tame forum
afaik goethe tests occur way way more frequently in my country...might depend from country to country
solemn bay
When do you need it and what do you want to use it for?
undone gyro
Id prefer c1 but i need more time. If I can't do it in England then
tame forum
and geothe tests are modular (if u fail a module u dont have to do the entire test again)
undone gyro
I don't need it for anything I jusy want a German proficiency to put on my cv
tame forum
i am not sure if testdaf has this facility
undone gyro
I can do B2 like now
And I live in Vienna
So I can do it here
But id prefer c1 since its higher niveau
tame forum
for me goethe is the one since
- takes place every month/ compared to twice a year with test daf
- results are released in a week with goethe compared to 1.5 months with testdaf
- results are valid for life with goethe and i think this applies for testdaf too
- for me its a location thing too....... 30 mins drive< 2 hr drive to give testdaf
solemn bay
Sure. But is there any benefit to C1 over B2 for job searching? That's the main thing to consider I think. If there's no benefit, may as well get it now.
undone gyro
Nop don't think so but I'll be taking my c1.2 course next month so I'll have learned all the Grammatik
Just gotta learn words and read and vocab and whatnot
tame forum
why not do both?
undone gyro
Ich würde gerne nicht so viel Geld ausgeben
tame forum
then i would suggest doing B2
undone gyro
Base hat aber recht
undone gyro
What
tame forum
i meant if you really want the C1..... u could do it in the next month or the month after
undone gyro
My point is
If i do B2 and then c1, c1 trumps B2
It also depends on if I can do the tests in England and when the tests are
So uh
My teacher said Goethe and telc are internationally known so Id better do one of those mmlol
tame forum
test daf is too....
the only difference is testdaf doesnt have the modules
one exam for everyone
but yah goethe and telc are more flexible so i would always opt for them
and btw people also say that goethe exams are easier than telcs
odd bison
Btw isla
A friend of mine who's studying with me took c1 Goethe and he has B2 at best
Seems to be easy
steel mauve
one actually can't fail just DHS but simply get results between B2 and C1, while with Goethe if you're not good enough in some part like Listening then you fail and don't get any certificate. Am I right?
tame forum
dont know about DHS , but goethe works like that.
odd bison
@undone gyro I did DSD II. But you dont need to do Goethe C2 if you need it just for your CV.
Goethe C1 sounds cool enough already
tame forum
i would suggest Goethe if ur unsure..... on the account of them being easier.
odd bison
yeah
tame forum
unsure if you are really C1 , that is.
exotic barn
one actually can't fail just DHS but simply get results between B2 and C1
Wrong, <56% is fail @steel mauve
tame forum
sounded too good to be true
exotic barn
Bitte
lucid valveBOT
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lime stone
yeh..
foggy prism
I cannot confirm this, but it sounds plausible enough. You can write off a lot of things, e.g. I can write off my public transport fees to commute between home and school on weekends
tame forum
Thats cool as hell of switzerland to do that
foggy prism
tbf my yearly taxes so far have been 0
might change this year tho as I actually have a non-negligible salary
lime stone
Mhm, I think it's quite common to allow the writing off your 'home office'. I wonder how that works if you're renting with other people.
I presume if you got yourself a house, you'd work out proportionally the cost of the room for the office versus teh rest of the house
but if you've only technically renting a single room - what then? 😄
foggy prism
write up as much as you dare, the worst they can do is complain :P
(okay, that’s not quite true but more or less how we handle taxes)
(like, public transport? just write up how much it’d cost to come home every week even if you don’t)
ja. z.B. wenn man Schweizer ist :P
oder Liechtensteiner :P
(ja, man kann, aber es ist normalerweise so, dass du nur angestellt wirst, wenn du besser qualifiziert bist als andere Bewerbende aus der Schweiz oder der EU; Universitäten sind aber kein Problem)
(wenn du Amerikaner bist, wirst du aber Probleme mit Banken haben)
lime stone
Wait, if you work FROM HOME - you'd still write up cost for "commuting" ?
foggy prism
my personal situation is this that my official home is about two hours away by public transport and I go there on weekends, staying in Zürich under the week
in addition, I need to pay for public transport within Zürich
lime stone
under -> throughout the week
lime stone
merely perfecting your perfect english.
foggy prism
cause like, you’re not actually commuting are you
lime stone
Yes, I'd just be home... nowhere to travel
foggy prism
you don’t need transport to get from and to work
lime stone
taxi from bedroom to living room
foggy prism
basically my understanding is that you can get things deducted quite commonly if you need them to work or study
lime stone
So, PC cost, internet, office space within the flat, etc. All could be deducted?
lime stone
hah
foggy prism
I’m just trying to think what sorts of fields there were on my last tax report
but I didn’t get to see half the pages in the first place cause they were conditional on other information
lime stone
Fair enough. I'll try to figure this shit out.
steel mauve
Danke, Saʃʃa :) Mein Bekannter ist aus Moldawien :/
faint plaza
If you apply for the bachelor than yes I would say
Um ehrlich zu sein weis ich es nicht.
Ich studiere nicht.
Dachte man macht des so 😅
fiery edge
steel mauve
Ja, Karfreitag
dry nacelle
In austria it just got cancelled this year because only protestants could take the day off
A catholic claimed discrimination at the european court and got right
steel mauve
Warum dann nicht alle könnten ein Feiertag haben? 😦
Ich kann alles feiern so lange ich frei habe 😃
dry nacelle
Weil sich die Wirtschaft aufgeregt hat, dass ein wichtiger Einkaufsfreitag draufgeht, und unsere Regierung ist sehr wirtschaftsorientiert 
steel mauve
Warum ist das ein wichtige Einkausfreitag?
dry nacelle
Last minute ostergeschenke, deko, schokolade etc
Ähnliche situation wie der 8.12. vor weihnachten
steel mauve
Ah, ok 😦 Natürlich, bin ich gegen allen Typen von Diskriminierung, aber jetzt alle müssen Arbeiten. Sieht nicht viel besser als vorher imo
dry nacelle
🤷
Die regierung hatte die idee von einem "persönlichen feiertag" für alle, den man sich hinlegen kann wo man will, und den einem der arbeitgeber freigeben muss. Allerdings abzüglich vom bestehenden Urlaubsanspruch. 
Die protestanten sind etwas angesäuert
steel mauve
Ja, ich verstehe. Alle sollen die wichtiger Tage nach ihrem Glauben feiern. Ob das ein Hanukkah oder ein Weihnachten ist. Aber naja...
exotic barn
Hey hey, could somebody give me tips on how to rent a flat in Vienna, what to take into consideration, what to pay attention to? More specifically: renting a flat as a student. Even more specifically: starting a WG of at least 3 people.
@sick imp @hard parcel @kindred finch @pale saddle pinging you biggest wieners for help, thanks!
hard parcel
I've never rented a flat here D: the only advice I can give is that you should try to get something close to a U-Bahn Station, or at least Bus/tram
exotic barn
@hard parcel but your parents did, ne? 👀
hard parcel
No they bought one 
fleet pelican
I'll ask my roommates suzu
They also have flats available
They offered me one and I'm not sure if it's in the time range you're looking for but we can work something out
exotic barn
Sounds great heckie! Even if it doesn’t fit, could you also ask them if they know anybody wanting to rent a flat too? 
@fleet pelican
exotic barn
Damn the connections 😻
karmic yew
Hecke already knows people who know the people 👌
tame forum
hecke IS the people
hidden briar
Osterlamm, Hasenbraten, Kuchen in Lamm-Form
hardy wren
kartoffeln
slim fulcrum
Fisch und Früchtemeere in den Hansestädten :D
hardy wren
Meeresfrüchte*
tight kelp
habe ... gedacht
hardy wren
dachte is one of the verbs that are commonly used with präteritum
tight kelp
hat dachte is not a thing though ;)
hardy wren
oh didnt see the hat
humble bough
smh I need a Führungszeugnis for my new uni job, but I can't sign up for one online because I don't have the e-Aufenthaltstitel, and my local Bürgeramt doesn't have any appointments available until June (I'm supposed to start work beginning of may). Does anybody know if there's another way to apply for this, like by letter or something? I tried looking around service.berlin.de but my German's pretty bad so it's been hard to find useful info
tight kelp
i did that by just going to the bürgeramt without an appointment
it takes just a few seconds, though of course it depends on your local office
i say seconds, i mean minutes
humble bough
my local office's page for its hours says "nur mit Termin*"but then links to "(*) einige Dienstleistungen erfordern keinen Termin. Achten Sie auf die Hinweise unter "Zuständige Behörden" bei der jeweiligen Dienstleistung oder informieren Sie sich auf unserer Homepage."
smh
"only with appointment except when it isn't"
tight kelp
if it isn't too troublesome i suggest just going there in person ¯_(ツ)_/¯
and even if it is, it might still be worth it compared to waiting till june
humble bough
yeah I think my prospective employer might get a little irritated if I did that lol
tight kelp
well tbh it's kinda their fault for requiring stuff like that when it's far from unlikely that institutions will take a lot to process bureaucracy
surely they can't expect people who apply for jobs require a führungszeugnis every few weeks (because that's the validity they require), since it costs money to file requests for them and time for them to be mailed
also, most jobs who require them should have no right to refuse the job even if one doesn't have perfectly clean conduct, but that's a different matter I suppose
humble bough
I mean they also asked for copies of my certified diplomas despite the fact that it's a job for the university and I've already submitted said diplomas to the university twice so I just kinda assumed that was just how germans roll
tight kelp
yeah it's pretty classic
humble bough
I've also only been here 7 months like tbh I'd be impressed if I managed to not have a clean Führungszeugnis in so little time
tight kelp
you'd be surprised. Also, I don't know whether they coordinate with foreign states to determine that stuff; if they do, it's possible one could arrive with a dirty one from the start
humble bough
they coordinate with other EU states, but I'm from the US 😎
stable talon
Gibt es eine Unterschied zwischen den Sozialversicherungsnummer und meiner Versichertennummer von den Krankenkassen?
tight kelp
they're two different things. The Versichertennummer is internal to your Krankenkasse, the Sozialversicherungsnummer corresponds to your person regardless of other factors.
hey, there's someone who often calls me back to answer the emails I send. What could be a good, polite way of letting him know he can just answer with an email?
"Sie können(/dürfen?) bequem per Email antworten" sounds off and a bit too forceful. And I also can't think of a better term than bequem or angenehm, which sound unsuited
tight kelp
anyone? :<
humble bough
I'd help but frankly I don't even know how to word that politely in English
stable talon
Maybe you could add something to your email signature along the lines of "due to (reason), during (time period) I prefer to be reached by email," and therefore without directly telling the person, you're still telling them
@tight kelp thanks for the info about the numbers too
tight kelp
i ended up sending the email without that part
they're still to respond, i think they're in urlaub 😬
stable talon
Well, maybe they'll just email this time. :)
tight kelp
at this point i don't really care, so long as they answer xD
glossy marlin
i gotta know for a school thing: what's the difference between bavarian mittelschule, realschule, and gymnasium?
exotic barn
exotic barn
anytime
tight kelp
lieferando hat lieferheld übernommen 😬
exotic barn
Mies :^(
hard parcel
@tight kelp I'm a bit late but I'd have used something like "einfach" instead of "bequem"
Bequem is more like uhh... conveniently in this case
tight kelp
Ikr
But doesn't einfach sound a bit condescending?
Like I'm calling them out for not using emails
hard parcel
Hmm
Falls du's sagst wie Sie können auch gerne einfach per E-Mail antworten dann passt es denke ich aber warte vielleicht was ein anderer Muttersprachler sagy
faint plaza
Als Info:
Der 500€ Schein wird ab heute immer weniger bis er nicht mehr im Umlauf ist.
sand cosmos
Macht Sinn, weil der ja eh schon nahezu überall ständig abgelehnt wird.
shut gorge
Da hams Pech gehabt, ich verwend nur Bargeld.
pale saddle
ich hab die meiste zeit kein bargeld mit mir
faint plaza
Ich habe immer Bargeld dabei
Kann ja sein das des Ec gerät mal broke geht
Dann stehst du da 🤷🏼♂️
fleet pelican
@faint plaza speaking of Bargeld, i need to show you something at home
faint plaza
Okey lol
pale saddle
Naja wenn einer kaputt geht dann benutzt man einen anderen
An der Hälfte der Kassen kannst du eh nur mit Karte bezahlen
An meinem uni campus ebenso
hazy lodge
Hallo
pale saddle
Ja Deutschland ist was das angeht ja besonders schlimm
faint plaza
@fleet pelican also was war mit Bargeld?
fleet pelican
OIU SAID IT DIDNT WORK LOL
fleet pelican
didnt* not wont 😔
faint plaza
Mimimi
fleet pelican
<3
lime stone
Uh, what is the equivalent of 'gumtree' in Switzerland? I know of anibis.ch is there anything else?
foggy prism
What is gumtree
tame forum
sounds soemthing straight out of Lorax
foggy prism
what is Lorax
supple wedge
exotic barn
Any german lawstudents here?
tight kelp
has anyone ever had something delivered by IKEA? In the order they state "Zeit: 14:00 - 21:00" but the place they should deliver to isn't where i'm currently living, I can't be expected to sit there (on the ground, there's no chair until they deliver them lol) for seven hours waiting for them. Will they call in advance before delivering?
hardy wren
get urself a chair and sit
tame forum
sebis paradox
sand cosmos
If it’s a Spedition they usually called me before they arrived @tight kelp
humble bough
in my experience they do call as long as you're getting a proper delivery rather than just DHL
they also give you a more exact window day-of iirc?
fathom quiver
Usually, the delivery service will call ahead if they have access to a phone number. Were you able to solve your problem? @tight kelp If not, let me know. I work for IKEA so I might be able to help.
tight kelp
thank you all
@fathom quiver we'll see today. They're supposed to be there by 14 to 21 o'clock but that's a bit too big a window. How much in advance do they usually call? I need to have time to take the underground
by the way, yesterday I was fuming. They were supposed to come and measure the kitchen (window: 12 to 16 o'clock) and nobody called nor showed up. I wasted my whole afternoon sitting on my arse so I wonder what happened
humble bough
they emailed me day-of in the morning with a like two-hour window, and then called 15 minutes in advance for me
tight kelp
I suppose that's better than nothing :D But I haven't gotten any email yet and the delivery is today
fathom quiver
@tight kelp Unfortunately, because IKEA uses independent delivery services, it can depend. Typically we recommend a call about 1-2 hours before delivery, but some companies have only given a 30 minute notice in the past. As for yesterday, they should have notified you if someone wasn't able to do your kitchen measuring that day. There is no excuse for them wasting your time. Unfortunately IKEA is severely lagging behind when it comes to technology and service and the result is poor customer service more often than should be expected. I hope everything goes much better today.
tight kelp
yeah, hopefully :P Thanks for the info
in retrospect, your nickname sounds quite appropriate
hardy wren
lol
tight kelp
Ugh. They didn't call until they were already there and so I had to rush to the other side of the bloody city. With the ubahn.
hardy wren
lol
clear matrix
das ist nicht von mir
hardy wren
?
tight kelp
Was ist hier das “g“?
hardy wren
könnte sein dass das für neugrad/gon steht
aka einteilung von kreis in 400 statt 360 grad
tight kelp
Hmm
odd bison
How to buy glasses the cheapest way?
I have an Augenärztliche Verordnung, but I don't want to pay ~100 euros for a Fassung uwu
hardy wren
was about to say ikea before i read the second message
tight kelp
you can ask your insurance whether/what they cover
odd bison
They cover lenses
faint plaza
Well you will have to pay that money actually
tight kelp
i think i had seen a website that makes glasses and sends them to you and was quite cheap,
faint plaza
They don’t cover Fassungen
tight kelp
can't remember the name nor how much it costs
odd bison
I know but are there any cheap stores
faint plaza
I would go with Fielmann
tight kelp
but i think you should be able to find somethign for less than 100
faint plaza
My dad always goes there and tells me it is cheap
tight kelp
always
how many eyes does he have
odd bison
Thanks!
faint plaza
Er hat ein paar Brillen und durch seine arbeit gehen die kaputt :^) @tight kelp
tight kelp
hey it's me with adult questions again
does anyone have experience or knowledge about credit cards in germany? It's hard to evaluate options because I have a feeling I'm missing important stuff. Right now what I check is:
- Yearly costs
- Interest rates for Teilzahlungen – i only plan to use it to pay for big stuff in smaller chunks
- Conditions for cancelling
and i also have no clear idea of what interest rates i should consider good or bad. So far I've seen stuff ranging from 8.90% (conditional) to over 15%
hidden briar
Maybe 1/3 of Germans have credit cards, I don't. No idea what is a good offer
tight kelp
well i'm waiting for that 1/3 then ;) And others who live in germany and have one, who don't have to be german necessarily
hidden briar
debit card linked to your checking account
tight kelp
yep, ec-karte
odd bison
Hat jemand in DE LASIK oder eine andere Augenoperation gemacht?
tame forum
i was jus thinking about this today...... about lasik
odd bison
And? What do you think?
I haven't done any research or googling yet, just recalled I promised my mom to do so
But my Augenarzt said that it would cost about 4500-5000€ which is utterly expensive
So idk
tame forum
depends on lots of stuff...... firstly i think from what i had read..... its better to get Lasik when ur 19/20 or later because your eyes stop developing then...... and if your numbers have increased in the last year.... the doctor wont do it
however again i aint a professional doctor or anything.....maybe these things might not apply individually to you if the doctor decides.
i had also read that the numbers i think have to be in a certain range.
so better to book a consultation and discuss the risks with him too.
obv loads of websites related to this topic too on google who can perhaps give more insight
odd bison
Yeah my doctor told me that if I wanna do an operation, I'd have to go through a bunch of screenings
I have -9 for both eyes and I'm almost 20 so it's actually the best time to do it
👀
tame forum
damn
tame forum
but for something like my eyes... idk if i would cheap out
odd bison
True..
tight kelp
@odd bison I'm interested in this too, just let me know if you find out any new info about it ^^
Keep in mind that if you have a steady enough source of income you can ask a bank for credit to pay for the operation. It's what I would do if I didn't have important expenses coming up
tight kelp
how does one dispose of a broken drying rack? Can i just put it next to the yellow bin or...?
hidden briar
how big? would guess Sperrmüll.
exotic barn
is it made of metal or plastic
tight kelp
metal
exotic barn
Wertstoffhof/Schrottplatz then
tight kelp
is there an easy way to find the nearest one?
exotic barn
google "wertstoffhof <location>"
exotic barn
you could try Sperrmüll for that
otherwise, no
fair note: they dont like coming to pick up a single thing
tight kelp
well, i don't like walking around town with a bulky thing just to recycle it
humble bough
yo, is anybody here familiar enough with psychotherapy to know what the difference between a heilpraktiker für psychotherapie and a psychologische psychotherapeut is? my translater says "heilpraktiker" means "alternative practitioner/naturopath" but I wanna doublecheck that it carries the same... connotations as the English before i dismiss it out of hand
tame forum
yes its the same
humble bough
gotcha
surreal ermine
Hii, kennt sich jemand mit Auslandsbafög aus? Am besten für ein Auslandssemester.
Da sind so viele Sachen die ich nicht kapiere.
Z.B. wollen die ja ein genaues Datum von Vorlesungszeiten und wann wir dort sind, die habe ich aber noch nicht. Und ich soll angeben ob ich ein Stipendium bekomme, weiß ich auch noch nicht.
steel mauve
Kann jemand mir empfehlen die Bloogers, youtubers aus der Schweiz, die auf Deutsch schreiben / sprechen? Vielen Dank im Voraus
tame forum
Warum spezifisch Schweiz?
quiet idol
Werde mal Karlsruhe wegen eines Vorstellungsgespräches besuchen. Was würdet ihr vorschlagen, dass es da sehenswürdig ist?
Habe es auf jeden Fall schon vor, die zwei botanischen Gärten, den Schlossplatz, den Marktplatz und den Park neben Hbf zu besuchen.
steel mauve
@tame forum weil in allen Bücher, die ich habe, schreiben Sie über Deutschland und manchmal über Österreich aber nie über die Schweiz. Ich will mehr über Schweiz kennen, ihre Kultur, Traditionen und Mentalität
tame forum
Ach so..... Süße pfp übrigens
steel mauve
Was meinst du?
tame forum
Profile picture
exotic barn
odd bison
@undone gyro TH=Universität=university, FH=university of applied sciences
odd bison
Technische Hochschule
tame forum
ahh ohkk..... but the thing is there is a class of "technische Hoschschules" that arent called Universities....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technische_Hochschule
the last table in this link
tame forum
copy
original will most prolly get certified when you are phsysically present there
btw....
the uni MIGHT ask to get the copies attested in a consulate or something
that obv only the uni can confirm for u
yah thats why u shud always call them
unis never reply with email...... or even when they do they take a lot of tie
*time
that happened to me too lol
never considered calling until i suddenly did
as in i realised i could jus friggin call them.... and even then the people necessary came like only for 4 hours in the ENTIRE week
there was a narrow time period when i could call them..... and even then sometimes noone would pick up.....but still way faster than email
most of the times someone would pick up the call when you are told which time to call at
even though its a bit tedious..... i think it might depend from uni to uni..... smaller hochschules are way faster ...... maybe other unis are better at stuff like this....... this was my experience with only one Uni
but for the Emails thing i can agree...... noone replies
thanks lol
as in they do but take time and i am impatient😩
exotic barn
Never had a german uni not reply to my email but i guess you gotta find the email of the person responsible for whatever you need
odd bison
^
faint plaza
Kann mir jemand bissl helfen?
Is jetzt nicht direkt deutsch aber keinen Plan wo ich fragen soll.
Wenn ich auswandern will, theoretisch in die Niederlande oder so was benötige ich dafür alles? 😅
hidden briar
Wenn du EU-Bürger bist, nichts. Wohnung und Arbeitsplatz helfen
faint plaza
Hmm Sweet Danke
steel mauve
90 Tage du kannst ohne Probleme bleiben, dann musst du dich anmelden
Mit einer Wohnung und einer Gehalt wird es problemlos und viel Spaß in die Niederlande, die Leute sind sehr freundlich und aufgeschlossen
faint plaza
Danke für die Info!
quiet idol
Ist ein B2 Zertifikat immer zwingend erforderlich um eine Ausbildung anfangen zu dürfen? Eine Firma hat es von mir gerade erfordert.
autumn monolith
Hat Jemand Wissen mit ein Deutsch Student Visa von USA machen?
Keine anung wenn das ist der falsche text channel zu fragen
tight kelp
@quiet idol ich glaube nicht, sie dürfen aber eines erfordern
exotic barn
Idk anything about your problem but I suggest you ask in English. @autumn monolith
autumn monolith
Wintersemester geht im september und mein consulate hat der Fruehest Termin um Juli 29
fair enough
I have a study contract and all that for a school in germany, but I have issues with getting a visa too late due to the earliest appointment being 1.5 months prior to the start of the winter semester. If anyone has experience with getting a visa (as an american) for studying in germany, I'd love to pm and ask some questions/get info or advice
exotic barn
@humble bough ^
humble bough
Okay so
lemme switch to my real keyboard and I'll help
alrighty
As a US citizen, you do not need to get a visa (Visum) before you go to Germany. The US and Germany have a visa-free agreement, so you can fly there and stay up to 3 months no problem. What you will need to study in Germany is a residence permit (Aufenthaltstitel). Some people call residence permits visas in English to try and simplify things, but they work differently so I generally don't think that's a good idea.
You also don't need to get your residence permit before you start classes for the semester; you just need to get it before your visa-free period of 90 days is up.
I can attest to this myself -- I arrived in Germany in late September 2018, started classes in October, and didn't get my residence permit until early December (I kinda waited until the last minute).
The more important thing to do wrt legally staying in Germany is finding a place to live where you can register, as you need a valid Anmeldung both for the residence permit and, at least in my case, to enroll in university.
Also, if you've already got a study contract, DEFINITELY contact the international office at your German uni; they're generally very helpful at least when it comes to university paperwork.
@autumn monolith hope this was helpful! feel free to PM me if you have further questions
autumn monolith
Thank you a ton, this does help alleviate some stress and is some very helpful info
humble bough
don't worry, now you can stress about finding an apartment like the rest of us 😄
exotic barn
hi guys! i'm new here and i'm doing a project on germany from 2005-2055 for my ap class and i was wondering if anyone can help me out on the current political climate in germany. just feel free to ping me or anything if you have the time. thanks!
final star
Hi does anyone here uses lycamobile prepaid? I have an urgent question regarding it. The guy at the store i bought my 28day prepaid from lied to me at the start when i asked if the expiry date can be extended via top up when it comes around, he said ya. Today the same guy told me it cant be extended and i need to get a new one. Is this true? 
Nvm managed to find another store just before closing time which explained how the system works. Lyca sim has to expire first before you can purchase a new plan if you want the same number. Data doesnt rollover. 
carmine anvil
It does 🤔
quick shoal
lol
solemn bay
Why do you ask?
We don't really allow this kind of political discussion except in #german-only
But if you have some specific reason for asking, feel free to explain it.
exotic barn
its for my AP European history project, i gotta do a timeline of germany from 2005-2055
i tried finding research material for it, but it was rrly vague :(
and most were either der spiegel or in german
solemn bay
Hmm. Well this kind of question is really tough to answer. They're just a political party and you are probably going to get more info from things like polls and other media, rather than a random German learning discord server.
Like are you here to learn or just to research for your project?
exotic barn
research for my project
solemn bay
Then I'm sorry but I think you've misunderstood the point of this server. It's not a German culture server. It's purely for people learning German.
exotic barn
oh shoot
solemn bay
But if you want to speak about politics, you can do so in #german-only , but you have to speak German there.
exotic barn
well, thanks for telling me that now, b/c the previous dude j-
ill do my best w/ just searching about it in previous chats or something ig. well thanks for helping me
solemn bay
Np.
fallen sedge
Same here
exotic barn
Nein, Sie haben die Fahrkarten nicht = No, you don't have the tickets or No, you didn't buy the tickets ?
I'm a bit confused with what's the correct translation for this
tame forum
former
exotic barn
Viele danke
mild quiver
okay so I'm pretty sure I am registered to vote in Köln but since I would've received the letter at my old address I never got it. It's apparently possible to vote without the polling card as long as I bring ID but idk where my polling location is since it was on the letter. Where would I find out?
hardy wren
rathaus? idk
faint plaza
Oder, falls man keine Lust hat aufn Sonntag das Haus zu verlassen (ich kenne doch meine /de Pappenheimer) zur Direktwahl ins Rathaus/Bürgerbüro gehen.
Da kann man auch ohne Wahlbenachrichtigung hin sofern man wahlberechtigt ist, braucht man nur den Perso mitzunehmen. @mild quiver
Maybe that helps
Found on Reddit
mild quiver
thanks appreciate it. guessing that means it doesn't matter which rathaus as long as it's the correct city then? @faint plaza
Also fuck now I have to research the candidates before then
hollow geyser
ancient belfry
Anyone have advice on getting a residence permit?
I've tried for weeks to sign up for an appointment through their site, but none of them got confirmed and the next open dates are past the 90 day period for me
Can I just go to the office and hope for some walk-in hours or something?
exotic barn
Yes you can
ancient belfry
They won't kick me out for not having set up an appointment? That's good to hear.
exotic barn
Usually they'll try to accommodate for it as best as possible
mystic anvil
hardy wren
the website has a website?
tight kelp
tame forum
what are u guys talking about? its jus "eu" written
tight kelp
your government website has shrek on its website?
tame forum
ohhkkk
winged quiver
Any Americans studying in Leipzig in this server?
mystic anvil
@tame forum i put that shrek
tame forum
ohhhhh
man i was thinking EU was the coolest ever .
maybe its u that is the coolest then.
but i can understand that it can be weird for older voters to see an animated green ogre on their voting scrren
tame forum
ahahahaha. idk y this is so funny
fickle shell
"fließend in Wort und Schrift" is it ok if i write this while having C1, or should i write something else in this case?
tight kelp
it is
fluent is a vague term somewhere between B2 and C1, depending on whom you ask, but it always includes C1 at the very least
sweet fern
warped atlas
Hi, any „financial grown ups“ here that I can talk to? I am aware the whole IANAL or IANAFinanzberater or IANASteuerberater stuff, but I just want to ask a few tips on how you guys have started investing in Germany, and how‘ve you been calculating the taxes to go with it...bonus points if you‘ve the same BG as me! Blue Card holder, festangestellt and not from the US.
PMs are open! Thanks!
fickle shell
Wie nennt man eine Klasse in der Schule, wo man viele Fremdsprachen lernt? Sprachklasse, Profil: Fremdsprachen, Fachrichtung: Fremdsprachen? Ich brauche das fuer eine CV.
pale saddle
Sprachklasse sounds good
unique sequoia
Ich möchte eines Tages in Deutschland / Österreich leben und studieren.
Wie ist die Ausbildung dort?
faint plaza
Ausbildung im Sinne von studieren oder eine arbeite Ausbildung machen? @unique sequoia
faint plaza
Unter Ausbildung verstehe ich halt keine Universitäts Ausbildung
faint plaza
🤷🏼♂️
tame forum
i think most prolly the person is inquiring about uni studies. and btw @unique sequoia it depends on the course you take and the university you go to. you cant jus classify all the unis in a country as good or bad
tame forum
so every youtube video that shows "FUNK" at the end of their video...... the revenue goes to "FUNK"?
and the creators get a fixed salary?
m talking about german videos btw
pale saddle
There is no revenue coming from FUNK videos since they are ad free
tame forum
ah shit. i thought that was becoz of my addblocker😅 . so why dont they moentize them?
pale saddle
two reasons
- All state-funded media in germany generally strive to be as ad free as possible
- Turning on ads would mean also directly providing revenue for YouTube which might be controversial
tame forum
fick Youtube.
whole root
Is there any chance of studying CS for a bachelor’s degree, without reaching B2/C1 (or basically having English as the language of instruction)
solemn bay
If you can find a uni which offers such a degree, yes.
solemn bay
What do you want to study?
solemn bay
Oh, CS, sorry, I didn't see that.
fleet pelican
iirc TUM does some english courses for bachelors
but you'll have to factcheck that
whole root
Well they only have English programs for MSc, while for BSc it’s only like 2 programs
tame forum
solemn bay
This is the only one I could find, aside from private unis: https://studium.hs-ulm.de/de/Seiten/Studiengang_CTS.aspx?SearchCategory=Bachelor;
tame forum
oh same
Uni Ulm
btw why do private universities exist in germany?
when the public education is already free. who is their target audience exactly?
solemn bay
I don't get what public education being free has to do with it.
tame forum
when locals have the option to study for free. why would they opt for paid education
is my point
solemn bay
I guess it depends. I don't know how it is specifically in Germany, but I can think of several reasons why someone could choose that.
sand cosmos
Because you want to study something that’s not broadly covered by public universities. Like journalism for example.
solemn bay
Maybe the people can't get into a public uni, for example, or the private uni offers specialized education the public unis don't. Maybe there is also a factor of networking, where many rich people go to some private unis.
sand cosmos
Or because your grades just aren’t good enough to be accepted for your major of choice at a public university.
tame forum
ahhh
whole root
@tame forum @solemn bay thank you lots for the help!
burnt crest
hey. i will be moving to germany in about a year and im in doubt
should i go through ausbildung or just go to the university and work
sullen robin
what would you want to study?
sullen robin
then go to uni, I think Ausbildungen are hard to hard come by and you generally need a good level of German
tight kelp
you need a good level for uni too
burnt crest
and my german level is close to cero
tight kelp
bachelors aren't taught in english
burnt crest
i need to learn in a year haha
tight kelp
you can get to a decent level in a year
sullen robin
are you sure? there must be some that are taught in English because some people at my work went to Uni here and their German is crap
burnt crest
what about ausbildung?
tight kelp
ausbildungen for it aren't hard to come by really, but not easy to get accepted for without a degree or at least some pratical experience
burnt crest
im a 22 yold , they told me its like highschool
i have 2 years of working experience
im currently working on fraunhofer chile
tight kelp
@sullen robin some are, yes. But the courses that are taught in english are usually masters, not bachelors
sullen robin
oh that might be it, now that you say that
well, in any case, you better get started on that German
tight kelp
if it's working experience in the field then you might even be able to find a job with it
burnt crest
yes i have...
tight kelp
though you'd have fewer chances since you'd have to settle for those select companies that hire without german requirements
tight kelp
but again, in a year you may be able to get to a good enough level to work at a company. With two years experience you don't necessarily need a german degree or ausbildung to find work in it
it might be. Depends on the impression you'll make on the people in charge
i was never asked for a certificate personally
strategy-wise, I'd point a lot on getting good pronunciation habits from the start: that tends to make up a big part of the first impression
you sound more competent if you sound closer to a native, even if your vocab is just sufficient and your sentences are not complex
tight kelp
i can't help on that since i'm a eu citizen: i don't have those requirements
not the visa ones at least. Not sure what you mean with the money part exactly
burnt crest
ah, yeah, chilean requirements
student visa requires me to have 8000 euros on a german bank account
but whatever
am i wasting my time doing an ausbildung?
thats the only thing that concerns me the most
and lastly, how can i start learning here? its a damn stupid question, but hell. getting advice from the experience is the best move...
tight kelp
if you have 2 years of relevant experience then i'd be inclined to say yes. An ausbildung's pay is very low and the workload is basically the same as an actual job, and since I reckon that by having experience you'd be set to find a job, it'd be a waste
for reference, i'm getting calls back from companies i spontaneously send my CV to, and I have a partial degree in an irrelevant field and no ausbildung, with no native-level ability of german, and sometimes I don't even bother sending cover letters
disclaimer though, i haven't gotten a job yet (though I'm confident that if i had a couple years experience in the field i'd have already found one), and that part about the ausbildung's workload is hearsay
as for how to start learning, you can check out >faq beginners and >faq resources in #botchannel
burnt crest
okay thanks ma man
and by the way
ive heard its hard for people from south america to go there and maintain their stance there
tight kelp
their stance?
burnt crest
i was told that an ausbildung would save me from that problem
getting your visa updated for example
tight kelp
well, do keep in mind that everything i say comes from someone who is a eu citizen and as such is never in danger of having to justify his presence in germany or being deported
burnt crest
ah, yes youre totally right
tight kelp
so don't automatically assume that what makes sense for me will be the same for you
burnt crest
why would it be?
tight kelp
if you find yourself without the documentation to be somewhere, you will be sent back to your country
it's how it works
tight kelp
the word for "sent back to one's own country" is deported ¯_(ツ)_/¯
burnt crest
yep
tight kelp
well, do keep in mind that everything i say comes from someone who is a eu citizen and as such is never in danger of having to justify his presence in germany or being forcibly sent back
tight kelp
i get passive-aggressive in the evening
burnt crest
well
i just found there are also bachelors of science in auchbildungs
so
well
gotta learn german now
thanks @tight kelp
tight kelp
have spaß
exotic barn
Hey hey, is there anybody not from austria who applied to an unrestricted program at TU Wien?
worn fable
hey so, im from America and im trying to study in Baden-Württemberg so i can be close to my girlfriend, and ive been studying german for 8 months. how likely is it for me to be accepted into a university, and what would be the quickest path towards getting a job as a non-eu citizen? p.s. im 19 and i came to germany immediately after i graduated high school
exotic barn
what's your CEFR level and what uni would you like to go to
worn fable
i dont know my CEFR level, but right now i am almost B2
tight kelp
that's your CEFR level then
worn fable
ah ok
as for which uni, my girlfriend is studying in heidelberg, so probably heidelberg, but honestly ill take anywhere i can get to by train
im planning on taking C1, which will be over in september
grand vigil
How easy is it for an English speaker to get a job in Germany
tight kelp
i can't help for stuff related to visas or things that would be different for non-eu citizens but if you have an education comparable to what is needed to join a university all you need is to get it certified and apply to unis together with a language certificate that satisfies their requirements (which vary by uni but at generally B2 or C1)
faint plaza
@grand vigil depends on what you wanna work as
tight kelp
as for jobs, german is almost always a must-know, unless the company operates in english, which may or may not be rare depending on the field
grand vigil
I have experience in logistics, supply chain management and B2B sales
faint plaza
Logistics they even take you without any german knowledge.
grand vigil
faint plaza
At the airport Munich
grand vigil
Seriously?
grand vigil
Wait, what did they do? Was it an office job?
faint plaza
Logistics job
tight kelp
the quickest way to find a job would be to apply :P But if you want a safe route you can go through an Ausbildung, that pays badly and lasts a couple years but generally works as a good gateway into jobs
grand vigil
I'm an European citizen, aren't those open to Germans only
faint plaza
No lol
tight kelp
and yes, logistics has no or very low language reqs. By logistics what is meant would be stuff like Amazon or package couriers. Even private postal companies don't have very high requirements in terms of german
worn fable
im non-EU, so im not allowed to just apply i think
faint plaza
Most jobs at the airport Munich in logistic are via timeworking companies
tight kelp
for ausbildungen though you need german
tight kelp
@worn fable yes you probably need a work permit, but i can't help with that unfortunately, since i'm a eu citizen
grand vigil
My main problem is accomodation, otherwise I'd take that shitty job for a while
tight kelp
some companies offer visa sponsorship but I don't know how much that's relevant for entry-level
finding accommodation initially is a nightmare
faint plaza
Some companies offer you a flat for a time where you share it with other people until you find something
tight kelp
what i did was find an airbnb that would be cheap for long term and use that to start off. I ended up staying there a couple years even, and only just moved into my first "real" rent
grand vigil
What do you do for work if you don't mind me asking
tight kelp
the airbnb accommodation was "converted" into a sub-rent
currently i'm looking for work, but i immigrated together with my husband
who found work as a postman
faint plaza
@grand vigil how good is your German?
grand vigil
It's a humble B1 in my honest opinion
faint plaza
I might know a hotel in Munich that takes people who speak german,English and other languages
Google for the Hotel:
Art Hotel München
And look if they have open positions
Was my old work place who even offered a room where you could live
grand vigil
Checked their website, no job listings
Gonna shoot them an e-mail, it would be great to find a place that would offer a place to stay
tight kelp
btw work in restaurants and the like should be rather easy to find with a low language level, but I'd advise against it because it's usually nightmarish
grand vigil
I come from a terrible country, I can't imagine it actually being a nightmare
faint plaza
Shoot them an email with ya complete stuff
Diplomats and everything you got
Big plus is if you speak Croatian or Serbian
The boss is one and he likes them
grand vigil
I don't, I do speak Spanish and Portuguese. Not sure if that would be an advantage
grand vigil
Alright, I will! Thanks
Sent an email. I'll keep you posted in case they get back to me. I'll also offer you a drink if I'm working in Germany in the future because of this
exotic barn
@worn fable things to consider:
You need 9k euros yearly locked in a back account as savings to study at a uni
You need to pay 1.5k per semester to study in BW
Students from third countries (including usa) have a limited amount of hours they’re allowed to work and that definitely won’t be enough to cover the costs
Depends on the studies but balancing uni and work is quite demanding, have you considered a Hochschule or an Ausbildung?
worn fable
my parents help finance my language course, which costs about 390 euros per month
and i have not yet considered an ausbildung...
but honestly i would just be happy to have any job at all, to make my parents worry less
exotic barn
those are independent expenses
tame forum
yah the 9K euros is just to LIVE.
fair talon
Not sure the cost of things in BW, but this was my prospective budget for studying two years at Hamburg (in USD, but I believe youre American too so ill leave it be).
But this is on the extremely frugal side of a lot of things (very little meal expenses, the cheapest student housing, etc). Student dorms arent a given (huge waitlist for some), and you want a bit of cushion anyway for unforeseen expenses too.
@worn fable
Cant be much help for the living stuff here since I literally just got here, but if you got any questions on the planning side of things, I can help a bit with that. (At least from the US angle)
tame forum
@fair talon does your university have tuition fees?
fair talon
Yah, sadly
tame forum
which uni is it and whats your programme if i may ask?
fair talon
Tried a few public ones, none lined up with my Bachelor's curriculum (newer program so no real direct transitions for masters).
Ended up at Kühne Logistics University, getting a MSc in Management
tame forum
hmm.... didnt know programms existed where the masters transition was tricky
fair talon
Well, it was meant for a specific field of work 👀 (US State department type work)
Two months before I graduate
State department hiring freeze
For a year
(Well, freeze in some departments, slowdown in others)
tame forum
damnn. i hope you didnt have any debt from that degree
fair talon
I did, but I worked it off 👀
Fancy contract job at Apple let me pay it off and save for Deutschland
tame forum
ahh Glad to know it worked out in the end
fair talon
Anythings possible with enough overtime lol
worn fable
@fair talon
thank you, this helps a lot! ill let you know how things work out for me, and thank you again
fair talon
Fun trivia: For Americans, theres basically only two or so banks we can go with. So not much comparison shopping there 👀
Most wont open accounts with US citizens
tame forum
wth why would they do that. considering so many people from america visit Germany
fair talon
The US requires them to do almost twice as much paperwork (tax laws in the US are a deep well of nonsense for expats)
tame forum
ohhh
fair talon
Basically they have to report a bunch of stuff back to the US if they have accounts with US citizens. Think the law's aimed more at Swiss/Irish type shenanigans, but it applies to Germany too 👀 (cause we're totally using it as a tax haven)
Actually thinking of using the time before classes start to make a US guide to this stuff. Most of the stuff I found online theres weird exceptions for US folk
Maybe a youtube channel lol, get some ad revenue
humble bough
lol most of the guides I've found have been geared at US expats, there's a wealth of info about moving to germany lol
also unrelated question -- I started a student job at my uni at the beginning of May and recently received an Entgeltbescheinigung with all the info about how much I'm getting this month etc. But I haven't actually gotten any of that money yet. Does anybody else who's worked such a job know how long I should expect to wait and if there might be something wrong? I don't want to make a fuss if this is just a normal delay but I also kiiiinda really need the money and don't wanna delay doing something if they need me to do something to get it
faint plaza
Normally your boss told ya when you will get the money approximately at the start of ya job.
If you not I guess you will get it around the 31/30 or 1/2 of a month
Ending or beginning
I normally geht my entgeltbescheinigung earlier than my money @humble bough
fair talon
I only seemed to run into guides aimed at India 😅 maybe I just had bad luck?
So you get those as seperate documents in Germany? In the US, you get the pay stub with your pay check attached to it.