archived-culture-study-visa

[pale saddle]

I hoffe das mit der kirsche steht dann auch so im Zeugnis

[glass crypt]

das kann man sich mit warmem gefühl im bauch denken

im zeugnis steht nur der numerische wert (berechnet nach gewissen gewichtungen)

[mystic gale]

no I am in the EF at the Gymnasium

in the Realschule I got grades like that at the end of the year,I am not sure how they give them out here.

In this Gymnasium

[glass crypt]

Deutsches Gymnasium?

[mystic gale]

jup

[glass crypt]

Ich verstehe deine Frage nicht ganz, denke ich

@mystic gale

[mystic gale]

Also in der 10en in der Realschule haben wir am Ende des Schuljahres als Gesamtnote die Durschschnittsnote von dem ersten und von dem zweiten Halbschuljahr. Meine Frage lautet : kriegen wir dasselbe jetzt auch auf dem Gymnasium oder nicht?

[glass crypt]

Ja. Außer im Abizeugnis selbst.

[mystic gale]

Scheiße

I am fucked

well I am out gtg zur Schule

bis gleich

[glass crypt]

well. they're using the Punktesystem, however

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Punktesystem_der_gymnasialen_Oberstufe

[clever bone]

Honestly pronouncing -ig as -ik makes much more sense than saying it as -ich

With final devoicing

Tod -> with t
Tode -> with d

Weg -> with k
Wege -> with g

Richtig -> with k
Richtige -> with g

The -ich pronounciation would make sense if you pronounce all g's like ch (it's like that in Dutch or Low German), but the -ich pronounciation for -ig just adds confusions for no purpose. It becomes harder to distinguish between "stündlich" and "stündig", harder to distinguish between "launisch" and "launig". Plus you need to say -ik in words like "Königreich" or "lediglich". So the -ich rule is very complex, I chose the Southern pronounciation, way simpler to use.

Well even Dutch makes the difference better, since the suffixes -lijk (counterpart to German -lich) and -ig sound fairly different. English merged these 2 suffixes with -ly.

And there are some people that -ich is easier to say than -ik. It's not so easy. Phonetically, "ich" uses the [ç] sound, which is a palatal fricative. Palatal sounds are often unstable since they require effort to pronounce (many people relax the "ich" sound to "isch" sound, which require less effort to produce). In Spanish the palatal "ll" (noted [λ]) tends to be relaxed into a simple "y" sound noted [j] (phenomenon called yeísmo). Whereas alveolar stops like [k] are much more stable and consistent.

[kindred yew]

in my spanish we lost the LL sound

but we dont use [j] rather what is written dsch in German lol

[hardy wren]

-ch is far easier to pronounce tho

[kindred yew]

I like -ch

[hardy wren]

stops at the end of words are annoying

[clever bone]

@hardy wren You are used to it

But phonetically palatal consonants require more effort

@kindred yew which variety of Spanish do you know?

[kindred yew]

in Spanisch we already have the ch sound (not the ich one, the other)

[clever bone]

The jota j

[kindred yew]

Hmmm I am from Argentina

from the north

so Im used to hear both my regional dialect and the Buenos Aires accent through TV and radio

[clever bone]

I rather heard that Argentinians pronounce "llamo" like "shamo"

[kindred yew]

that's really a Buenos Aires phenomenon tbh

[clever bone]

Oh

I didn't know

[hardy wren]

if i try to deliberately say -ik, it tends to come out (or, in this case, not come out) as a k̚

[kindred yew]

that's how scientists determined that Buenos Aires should be nuked

[clever bone]

@hardy wren what does the little vector mean above k ?

[kindred yew]

I think it has to do with Italian influence

or something

[hardy wren]

unreleased

[clever bone]

It's possible @kindred yew

[hardy wren]

its basically a "coming soon" k

[kindred yew]

I don't like unvoicing constants at the end of words. so I prefer ich over ik

[hardy wren]

so you prefer unvoicing it and fricating it

why not /ɣ/

[kindred yew]

lol yeah, because it's more different in a way

[hardy wren]

thats a cool voiced sound

[clever bone]

Well German doesn't have the voiced palatal fricative

[hardy wren]

but thats ʝ

[clever bone]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_palatal_fricative

Yeah

[hardy wren]

oh right i forgot the ch is ç

not x

[clever bone]

x ist ach-Laut

[hardy wren]

still would want ɣ in german tho

[kindred yew]

i can't tell apart a lot of the time the difference between voices and voiceless in the end of words. so I prefer stuff that is markedly different

[hardy wren]

and you dont have to tell me

[clever bone]

Learn Dutch then @hardy wren

[hardy wren]

well actually, the ach laut is [χ] but thats a diffetent topic

nah thanks, greeks got it too so im learning that

[clever bone]

Normally it should be [x]

[hardy wren]

nah im pretty sure χ is the standard

[kindred yew]

I've never seen the weird x

but that's maybe lazy IPAing by the resources I had

[hardy wren]

its often simplified to x in writing but its properly pronounced as χ

[clever bone]

The χ sounds like the Cliché German

Achhhhh

[hardy wren]

also explains why we got ʁ but not ɣ

[clever bone]

French influence

[kindred yew]

Napoleon brought it

and put it in drinking water

rip

[clever bone]

Yes

Danish too got this sound

Many varieties of Dutch

[hardy wren]

makes more sense to have ʁ-χ as uvular pair instead of ʁ-x as uvular-velar pair

[clever bone]

Yes

Except that final r is not devoiced

But entirely vocalised

[hardy wren]

tell me one word where final r is actually pronounced

[clever bone]

It lengthens the vowel

[hardy wren]

how fo you lengthen a schwa

[clever bone]

Tür would sound different from Tü

[kindred yew]

when you say the name of the letter r

[hardy wren]

yes, Tü would naturally be pronounced with y: while Tür has a short y and a short schwa

[kindred yew]

do you pronounce the r?

[hardy wren]

no

its called ɛɐ or smth like that

[clever bone]

Tür doesn't have a schwa

[hardy wren]

tʰyɐ

is how id say it

[clever bone]

Yes

[hardy wren]

ɐ is a type of schwa

[clever bone]

Hmm

The Schwa is only the sound with reversed e

[hardy wren]

ɐ is called a schwa too sometimes

both are reduced vowels

[clever bone]

Well it's true in German

[hardy wren]

wiktionary says /tyːɐ̯/

huh

[clever bone]

Yes

[hardy wren]

i usually say it pretty short

[clever bone]

Türr

[hardy wren]

but okay

[clever bone]

Would be short

[hardy wren]

Tü would still have a long y tho

[clever bone]

Yes

[hardy wren]

Türr would be tʏɐ̯

[clever bone]

Exactly

[hardy wren]

so what exactly are we talking about at this point anymore

[clever bone]

😆

ig prounciation

That was the beginning

[hardy wren]

tldr ɪç is correct and everything else sounds weird

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/richtig as you can see very well right here

[clever bone]

It sounds weird to you

But I learned -ik

[hardy wren]

then you learned wrong

[clever bone]

No

It's a variety from Southern Germany

[hardy wren]

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/-ig#German

[clever bone]

My teachers came from there

[hardy wren]

then your teacher is a bad teacher that was influenced by dialect

[clever bone]

IPA(key): /ɪk/, /ɪɡ̊/, /iɡ̊/ (common form in southern Germany, Austria, and Switzerland)

Please don't consider dialects as wrong

This is the mentality in France

[hardy wren]

if you want to learn a language, you should learn the standard language

[clever bone]

That killed our languages

[hardy wren]

not saying theyre wrong for natives, but learners should focus on the standard

[clever bone]

The Standard in Austria is -ik

You hear it on the television and such

[hardy wren]

btw, pronunciation as a fricative can be rooted back to PG https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/-gaz

not sure how accurate that is ofc

[clever bone]

Don't forget that Germany isn't the only German country

[hardy wren]

english also had it and dropped the fricative completely

[clever bone]

Yes

Norwegian and Danish dropped the g from ig

[hardy wren]

english too

but english doesnt write it either

its just y

[clever bone]

Yes

Many dialects from around here drop the g too

De Keni / Kini

Honi

Ferti

[hardy wren]

well, what i was trying to say, fricating it makes more sense if you compare the history and how other languages did it

[clever bone]

Swedish maintained the hard g

[hardy wren]

o

is it a g or a k tho

[clever bone]

Not devoiced

[hardy wren]

swedish is weird anyway

[clever bone]

Haha

So is Northern German

😂

[hardy wren]

tru

[clever bone]

Honestly since I live near Baden-Wurttemberg it makes more sense to be taught the Southern German pronounciation

[hardy wren]

hmm true

[clever bone]

I learned Kina und Kemie für China and Chemie

[hardy wren]

now that feels heavily dialectal and bavarian

[clever bone]

Due to the number of people doing so, you cannot say it's false

I prefer -ik als -ich, nur I never said -ich was false

[hardy wren]

eh, but i wouldnt say bavarians speak german anyway

[clever bone]

I am for language diversity and accents

And the loss of accents make me sad

[hardy wren]

in general, its good, but only if you can understand eachother

[clever bone]

If everybody speaks the same it's boring

[hardy wren]

Pronunciation	Edit
IPA(key): /çeˈmiː/ (northern Germany; Duden standard)
IPA(key): /keˈmiː/ (Bavaria, Austria)
IPA(key): /ʃeˈmiː/ (western Germany)

i usually do the last one

[clever bone]

Lol

It's a thing too in Rheinland-Pfalz

[hardy wren]

lol

the funny thing is that it says western germany while im here sitting in berlin

[clever bone]

Oh

How are people usually saying König ?

In Berlin

[hardy wren]

idk, dont hear enough people saying it

[clever bone]

Or any word in -ig

[hardy wren]

cant say right now, ive thought too much about both pronunciations so now both sound weird

[clever bone]

Lol

There is even some people saying -isch

In Rheinland-Pfalz

Billisch

Billischer

[hardy wren]

thats typical kanak sprak here

[clever bone]

Sprak

😁

[short trout]

anyone here care to give an overview on how the interviewing process works in germany? is it similar to the us in that regard?

in the software industry i mean

[tight kelp]

if you phrase the question like that, only people who have experience with both the american and the german industry can help you

be more specific

[short trout]

fair enough. do tech companies usually ask cs101 questions during interviews or do they focus on the specific role you're gonna fill and ask questions regarding that?

is there usually whiteboard coding?

[tight kelp]

I've encountered some small amounts of whiteboard coding, by the company's own admission for the sole purpose of filtering out people who just add buzzwords to their cv but can't actually use those technologies. They didn't ask me any generic cs questions, at most they'd ask open questions on how I'd go about solving a certain problem. Keep in mind that I never interviewed for senior positions however.
Overall the interviews are used by both parties to get to know each other and make sure they'd be fine working together. There's usually a trial period if they do decide to consider hiring you so I suppose your technical shortcomings would surface then.

I'd be interested in others corroborating or refuting my impressions. My experience is limited

[short trout]

appreciate you sharing your experiences

[clever bone]

Does the area of Germany play some role ?

Like South vs. North

[hardy wren]

why did my brain insert "Korea" after that last message

[pale saddle]

Everyone knows North Korea is secretly an area of germany

[tight kelp]

today's kim jong un's birthday btw

don't ask me how I know

[whole pecan]

du wurdest aus l/pyongyang gebannt

[tame forum]

kim is chonky

[steep steeple]

wie viele flaschen hat ne durchschnittliche bierkiste, die in geschäften wie lidl oder aldi verkauft ist?

[pale saddle]

20-24

[hardy wren]

probiers aus

[pale saddle]

Manchmal frage ich mich echt was manche Leute mit den Infos und Übersetzungen die sie hier bekommen anfangen

[hardy wren]

^

[foggy prism]

also das meiste finde ich berechtigt, das einzige, was ich nicht verstehen kann ist, wenn ein anfänger versucht Sätze zu schreiben, die weit über dem Niveau sind, ergo mit etwa 2 Fehlern pro Wort gespickt sind, und dann nach Korrekturen fragen.

Da hat’s einfach wirklich keinen Lerneffekt

[hardy wren]

sowas gibts aber normalerweise nicht hier, sondern in #questions

[foggy prism]

ja schon, aber es hiess ja “infos und übersetzungen”

letzteres wären wohl übersetzungen

[hardy wren]

ach stimmt, das hab ich gar nicht gesehn

[foggy prism]

die fragen hier im channel find ich meistens ganz gewöhnliches zeugs

[pale saddle]

^

[hardy wren]

aber wieso fragt man, wie viele flaschen aldi pro kiste hat, statt einfach nachzuschauen und so viel mitzunehmen wie man braucht

[pale saddle]

das klingt irgendwie nach etwas was ich frage wenn ich zu bin

Brudi, wie viel flaschen hatte die kiste eigentlich am anfang?

[hardy wren]

lol

[foggy prism]

…aalso jetzt hat’s noch fünf, ich hatte keine, und du bist hackevoll… waren wohl sechs

[hardy wren]

kannste nicht die freien felder in der kiste zählen, aber dafür auf discord nachfragen

[pale saddle]

ja ne kann nimmer zählen

Die kiste ist vom aldi, und aldi ist doch deutsch

lass mal die deutschen fragen

[clever bone]

@hardy wren Also during the night I thought of this. Pronouncing ig as -ik makes the language more regular, it removes an exception. Just see how "learned" gained popularity over "learnt". In French, some people are pronouncing "linguistique" without pronouncing the gu as gw (like in English), because it isn't marked with ü (compare with the pronounciation of "ambigüité")

[foggy prism]

otoh, people learn to speak before they learn that the words are spelled with -ig

before they learn to read and write, they have no reason to assume it should be -ik

and by the time that happens they’ve already learned to say them one way or another

[whole pecan]

^

[tight kelp]

(i didn't follow all the discussion about this but are we really arguing about what's more efficient or "better" for natural languages to do?)

[clever bone]

@foggy prism Several studies show that people tend more to pronounce -ik when the word is emphasized or isolated (like on a vocab list)

[foggy prism]

literate people?

[clever bone]

Not necessarily

https://youtu.be/EKL8fB0P6lE
5:25

http://prowiki.ids-mannheim.de/bin/view/AADG/IgAuslaut

Just compare the amount of blue in "billig" (Wortliste) versus "richtig" (Interviews)

[foggy prism]

at 5:25 I hear richtich

[clever bone]

Yes

[foggy prism]

so what’s the point?

[clever bone]

He is not emphasizing that word

But after

Zwanzik, dreißik

Etc.

When the words are isolated

[foggy prism]

so, what’s your hypothesis?

(it’s hard to say why a change happens, ever)

maybe it’s literate people overcorrecting, maybe it’s the southern pronunciation spreading

[clever bone]

People tend to pronounce as -ik when they emphasize a word with ig

[foggy prism]

maybe for whatever reason the -ik pronunciation has just gained a “highlit” status

but it’s not clear what that reason could be

[clever bone]

It's like English with "often"

If you emphasize "often" you're more likely to pronounce the t

[foggy prism]

like, sure. that’s an effect. but what’s the hypothesis?

as in, why do you think that happens

[clever bone]

Because people refer to the spelling

[foggy prism]

so I guess you’d have to test it with illiterate people

see if they do it too. except they might’ve picked up that other people emphasize it that way

like, it’s a nice hypothesis and I buy it, but it’s gonna be basically impossible to prove it

[clever bone]

Yeah because it's impossible to interview everybody out there

[foggy prism]

you don’t need to interview everybody. just the right people to draw conclusions. problematically, there’s not very many illiterate german speakers

and it’s also gonna be hard to elicit the data

[clever bone]

I don't know any illiterate speakers

[foggy prism]

neither do I, except for children

so you could see if young children do it

[clever bone]

Right

[foggy prism]

if no, or much rarer, that’d be evidence in favour of spelling pronunciation

if they do it too then it’s probably more like dialectal spreading

[clever bone]

I think dialects are dying

[foggy prism]

I meant dialect in the most broadest of senses here

[clever bone]

More like accent ?

[foggy prism]

let’s call it spreading of a sound change

or, in this case, probably more like… retreat of a sound change

since I expect -ik was the original form

[clever bone]

-ik is the original form in Oberdeutsch dialects ?

[foggy prism]

well, /ɪg/ originally

but then auslautverhärtunk

[clever bone]

Oh yes

Actually I've heard that Swiss and Austrians still resist a bit to that

Is that true ?

[foggy prism]

talking about auslautverhärtung in swiss german is difficult to say the least

because the swiss german sound system doens’t do voicing distintions at all in the first place

there is some difference between /g k/, but it’s not voicing

so talking about “final g devoices” makes no sense

since it’s all voiceless already

[clever bone]

How do you pronounce a voiceless g ?

That is different from k

[foggy prism]

that’s a can of worms that I’ve not yet been able to figure out

I’ve recorded myself saying words with the sounds in them, analyzed them in praat and found no difference, but showed them to people who did not speak swiss german and they affirmed that they were distinct sounds

so it’s not just my brain going “these have to be different”

[clever bone]

Do you still have the sound samples ?

[foggy prism]

one paper I’ve read states that it’s primarily a length distinction

perhaps on my other pc

I’d have to check

[clever bone]

Alright

[foggy prism]

I don’t think it’s only a length distinction though. sometimes, that seems accurate

but not in all positions

in particular, it seems to be a good explanation of what happens between vowels

where the /g/ is [k] and the /k/ is like… [kː]

yea don’t question it

[clever bone]

Hmm

[foggy prism]

except either may also voice a bit

probably because between vowels

[clever bone]

How do you say "Mathematik" or "Panik" ?

[foggy prism]

I’d have to record myself but I’m in a public space

plus, thinking about how you say words is the best way to not say them naturally

[clever bone]

Exactly

[foggy prism]

ping me in a few hours and I’ll see if I can record a short paragraph or so that you could go through

[clever bone]

Well you would have to record a natural conversation xD

But yeah

[foggy prism]

that’d be more likely to contain natural pronunciations than single words

[clever bone]

Right

It's the same as in French

[foggy prism]

imma go back to studying, also this whole convo should be in #dialects

^^

[clever bone]

Genau

Was studierst du?

[worldly cargo]

Sollte ich ein Arbeitsvisum kriegen bevor ich mich für eine Arbeitsstelle in Deutschland bewerbe oder bewerbe mich zuerst und dann kriege das Arbeitsvisum falls ich die Arbeistelle kriege?

[sand lotus]

Dieses Sommer studiere ich in Deutschland. Nach meinen Kursen möchte ich DACH reisen. Was ist meine beste Option für Zugtickets innerhalb von DACH? Ist My BahnCard eine gute Wahl für Studenten oder sollte ich etwas anderes finden?

[pale saddle]

Also redest du vom ganzen DACH oder nur von Deutschland?

[sand lotus]

Ganzen.

[foggy prism]

dann musst du schauen, dass deine Mittel auch in allen Ländern funktionieren. Es gibt einige Angebote zwischen Schweiz und Ausland, aber wahrscheinlich wirst du die Schweiz separat behandeln müssen

[pale saddle]

Joa, ich kenne mich eben nur in Österreich aus

Da gibt es, wenn du dort studierst, im Osten gute Angebote

[hardy wren]

mit der db kann man zumindest nach basel fahren

[foggy prism]

jenachdem wo du hin willst, kannst du auch grad sitzen bleiben

der ICE von Hamburg nach Basel fährt weiter auf Zürich und dann Chur

[sand lotus]

Hmmm. OK. Danke für eure Hilfe! 😄

[undone gyro]

how much would i expect to pay for university in germany, eu resident and not a eu resident?

[sick ruin]

University is tuition free in germany however you have to pay for room and board i believe

[exotic barn]

BW 1500eu pro semester for non-eu, other states cca 300eu pro semester for everybody

[undone gyro]

ty suzie

[hidden briar]

that usually includes a ticket for public transport

[exotic barn]

yw

true

[undone gyro]

oh nice

[rare prawn]

Hey guys! Quick question
As a student in Germany looking for a Nebenjob, I found a place good and near to me. To apply I just got their email address.
Should I be writing a simple email asking for a minijob?
Fyi its a small bakery

[tame forum]

is there already a opening or are u asking if theres specifically an opening for u?

it would help others answer ur question @rare prawn

[rare prawn]

Yes there is an opening

[foggy prism]

what I would do is write them an email stating you’d be interested in their opening & a few sentences about you

then, if they need more (like a cv or what not) they’ll tell you

[exotic barn]

Hi, im trying to learn german. Anyone got any tips or can tell some stuff about learning german?

[rose cedar]

Check out #ressources

[exotic barn]

@sneggo Danke shon 😃

[slim fulcrum]

Today I learned I've been eating inedible plastic rind on my cheese slices, because I never bothered to read the back of the package where they tell me not to eat the rind.

[whole pecan]

Wzh

Lol

[tame forum]

so u forgot to remove them? or didnt realize that theres a thin plastic packaging on the slice cheese?

[sullen robin]

@exotic barn better asking here, although what do you mean by "C-Test". From Goethe or Telc?

[exotic barn]

Goethe Uni Studienkolleg

Die Aufnahmeprüfung

[sullen robin]

there is definitely some people who have done that, but I do not recall who

hopefully someone says something

[exotic barn]

I just wanna know what level is the test gonna be in

Like

Is it B1 or B2

I've been practicing as if I'm doing something that's in B2 level

But then I remembered that the minimum requirement to apply is B1

So I wondered

[foggy prism]

well if you’re overqualified it’ll be a breeze

[exotic barn]

I hope so haha

It's tomorrow too

However I have been studying

[foggy prism]

well then it’s too late to study differently anyway ^^

[exotic barn]

True

I guess I just have anxiety

Lel

[foggy prism]

go to sleep, being well-rested ≫ cramming a bit more at last second

[exotic barn]

Yea that's true

In that case, I'll go to sleep. Thanks all, and good night

[slim fulcrum]

@tame forum usually the rind isn't plastic.... I dunno man,I never ate cheese with inedible rind unless it was a babybel or something. I always ate the rind because I paid for it and it was usually just either dried cheese or a natural fungus

[exotic barn]

which one of these would be the best for me to study in? I've been to Berlin before, so I'd be the most comfortable with it, but it's also one of the more expensive courses. I'm learning Hochdeutsch btw! I just need help narrowing down my choices.

Was für Kurse sind dies?

Sie sind Sprachekurse

But I'm assuming I'd be learning Hochdeutsch nonetheless--

Naja, aber was für Sprachkurse?

Von welchem Institut?

Davon hab ich nie gehört

Auf welchem Niveau bist du?

Not Uni related, just focused language classes at private classrooms

Otherwise I would've chosen Berlin/Hamburg/Heidelberg

Warum diese drei Städte?

Weil ich die Universitäten mag

But that's not really related, I need to choose a city to learn German in for 12 weeks

I'm not in Uni yet!

I'm taking a gap semester

Wenn du Hochdeutsch lernen willst, wären mMn die Städte in NRW am besten

[solemn bay]

Well, what are your plans for accommodation and so on?

Tho I would generally say, if it's a gap year, cheapest living costs would be a good thing to consider.

Assuming the courses are relatively similar.

[exotic barn]

Aber trotzdem würde ich lieber einen studienvorbereitenden Deutschkurs an einer Uni empfehlen, da ich sie günstig und trotzdem mit hoher Qualität finde

They offer Host Families/Studio Apartments for each location, but the prices change for half-board/full board

NRW, wie Koeln?

[solemn bay]

Are you planning to go to uni shortly aftwards?

[exotic barn]

Yes, but in America

[solemn bay]

Ah, I see.

[exotic barn]

Maybe 2 years America, 2 years Germany, if it's still an option for me later on

Hmmmm das ist es ja egal

I suppose my biggest worry is I end up not being comfortable with the city I pick

NRW allgemein ist cool, nicht nur Köln

But then again I thought I wouldn't like Berlin because I was never a city person, but I ended up loving it, lol

Was erwartest du von einer Stadt?

Ich mag...Natur. :)

Also! I should mention thaaat the cheapest option from this list is Muenster

Dann solltest du vllt nicht eine Stadt wählen

Ja Ich weiss das, lol

But I'm not THAT picky

Münster ist nicht schlecht; klein, aber schön

I don't hate cities, I'm just not used with them

It seems like it's a nice historical city, Muenster-

But 12 weeks there, would I get bored?

Das kann ich nicht vorhersagen

achso

Also, außer Berlin, hab ich schon Hamburg, Köln, München, Frankfurt, Regensburg und kurz Münster besucht und ich fand sie alle schön

München ist berühmt, aber auch teuer, viel mehr als Berlin

Ich persönlich mag Hamburg und Frankfurt, aber die zwei könnten auch teuer sein, da sie Großstädte sind

Ja, haha, Muenchen scheint sehr teuer! Ist Hamburg teuer als Berlin, oder nicht? Ich habe, veillecht...sechs Monate fuer mein Geld. 😔

Also, die Kosten von Essen sollten überall ziemlich ähnlich sein, glaube ich, kommt drauf an, wie viel deine Kurse kosten, denke ich

Oder du könntest eine kleine günstige Stadt wählen, die in der Nähe von großen Städten liegen und Ausflüge machen 👀

Ahhhhh ich wiesse nicht!! Das ist schwer 😭

Ich denke, ich werde jede Stadt studieren

*weiß

Gerne

ou that was a typo

*“ich werde mich nach jeder Stadt erkundigen“ wäre besser

Radolfzell looks really nice but just the idea of trying to talk to locals there seems nerve wracking

Same with Lindau

Never heard of the two

Very close to Switzerland/Austria

oh well. in due time

thank you for the help

Bitte

[hard parcel]

@exotic barn Ich würde lieber über jede verwenden

ich glaube nach verwendet man nur bei Personen

[foggy prism]

I think I’ve been to Lindau before. or at least been like near it

I’ve certainly heard the name before

[crimson yew]

Hallo an allen, İch möchte etwas fragen. İch bin seit 1 monat in Deutschland und ich möchte arbeiten. Was kann ich dafür machen. z.B gibt es ein Agentur oder eine Organisation dass ich kontaktieren kann? ( können sie mich makieren @)

[foggy prism]

I sadly cannot help you, but I’d like to point out that German doesn’t have İ with dot

capital has no dot, lowercase does

[exotic barn]

@hard parcel echt? dict.cc sagt, es geht mit sachen auch

[hard parcel]

hm

The first thing that comes to mind would be something like Er hat sich nach dir erkundigt

But maybe that's just me 😅

But according to Duden both work so I take that back^^

[exotic barn]

ok, thanks anyways 👀

[slow prism]

Moin moin

Soweit ich weiß, ist es ja nicht üblich einen kleinen "Über mich"-Text im Lebenslauf einzufügen

Habt ihr ähnliches gemacht? in England ist das ja gang und gäbe

[foggy prism]

ne, Lebenslauf hat keinen Fliesstext

(also vllt hats mal 1-2 sätze drüber was du irgendwo gemacht hast oder so, halt im stil von “meine Aufgaben waren…”)

[slow prism]

Aber so ein ordentliches "Über mich" gibts nicht?

Gestalte mir gerade einen neuen Lebenslauf und dachte das würde ganz gut passen

[foggy prism]

ne, das kommt ins begleitschreiben

[slow prism]

@foggy prism Magst mal über meinen Lebenslauf drüberschauen?

[foggy prism]

ne ich mag jetzt schlafen sry

[slow prism]

Kk np

[foggy prism]

wenn’s nicht eilig ist kannst du ihn mal schicken ich kann’s mir morgen anschauen

(müsstest aber noch mal ne friend req schicken ich lehn die immer ab wenn unaufgefordert)

[slow prism]

done

bis dann!

[faint plaza]

@crimson yew Agentur für Arbeit.
Or Facebook groups

And you need a working permit

If you aren’t a Eu citizen

[tight kelp]

is what he says about german prisons all true? Starting from about 11:40 which I linked
https://youtu.be/wtV5ev6813I?t=700

of course it's a rather american-based perspective but what interests me is whether everything he describes german prisons to be is factual

[faint plaza]

I wouldn’t call it factual but he is right.
Our prison are compared to the rest of the world kinda small. @tight kelp

I was in one for a night 😅
And let me say it ain’t nice there

[tight kelp]

i see

but i suppose it wasn't the same kind that he describes, which seems equipped for longer stays

[hardy wren]

o

[faint plaza]

Well it was a normal prison if you ask so

[hardy wren]

what did you do

[faint plaza]

With long stay people

[karmic yew]

You were in prison for a night? Was it for a crime of being too handsome?

[faint plaza]

And People like me for a Night

Lmao cthu

[tight kelp]

I guess what I'm most interested in is knowing whether what he says about kitchens and cooking one's own meals and the relative freedom of movement etc is true

[faint plaza]

Uhhh I can’t answer that one cause I didn’t saw the kitchen or stuff

🤷🏼‍♂️

But we have a lot of documentations about our prisons on YouTube

Where you see those kitchen and stuff

Watched a lot of them

https://youtu.be/ANjKBvC02jY

https://youtu.be/22GuXselU1Y

https://youtu.be/NTmS6jxMLx0

If you should be interested

[tight kelp]

i see, thank you

[exotic barn]

@faint plaza ausnüchterungszelle wa

[faint plaza]

@exotic barn nope

Hatte ne Hausdurchsuchung und anderes deswegen am Hals

War schon was schlimmeres

[exotic barn]

oh ha

[crimson yew]

@faint plaza thank you, and I'm sorry I could see it now. 😔

[faint plaza]

👌🏻😅

[winged quiver]

Hello! I am currently looking into studying abroad in Germany in a few years as an American and I was wondering if there were any Americans on the server who did the same who I could talk to abou the process and about what is it is like there. Please tag me or DM me if you are willing to talk, thanks in advance 😄

[fallow light]

@winged quiver I'm in the exact same scenario and also looking for people with experience like that

lmk if you find anything

[granite nebula]

I have been meaning to ask the same question.

[hardy wren]

lol

[sand lotus]

@winged quiver @fallow light Im not going to be there that long but I will be studying there this Summer. I can try and help with questions regarding pre-flight and what not. Here is a link to my program https://usac.edu/study-abroad-programs/germany/luneburg

[fallow light]

I actually have a lot of questions

[sand lotus]

I also had my own question, anyone here been to Graz? Thinking of visiting for a couple days

[fallow light]

Graz?

[sand lotus]

Go ahead and PM me then Mang0

[fallow light]

gotchu

[hardy wren]

graz sounds like it should be in czechia and it always confuses me bcs i have no idea where it is

[sand lotus]

South east Austria

[hardy wren]

ah

right

[sand lotus]

2nd largest city next to Wien

[hardy wren]

eh, its austria anyway

[exotic barn]

@humble bough maybe you could also help? ^

@sand lotus I’ve been there but idk if i can help much tho

[sand lotus]

Im just looking for some like good places to see or something. Im wondering if it would be good to visit for like 3 days

[exotic barn]

Hmmmm, I’d say one or two days is enough but depends on what type of a tourist you are i guess

[sand lotus]

yeah I know what Im asking is super open ended so kinda hard to answer, but thank you!

[exotic barn]

Yw

[humble bough]

help with what?

oh Americans studying abroad gotcha

feel free to PM me, though I have more info about how to "study abroad" in the sense of "moving to Germany and doing a degree with a German university" rather than "doing a degree at a US uni but studying abroad at a German uni for some of it"

and like generic "moving to Germany" questions too I suppose

[exotic barn]

@winged quiver @fallow light @granite nebula ^

[fallow light]

ahh cheers suzu 😃 i saw and talked with him

oh

wait

i thought you meant zact

[exotic barn]

No

[fallow light]

ohhh cool, @humble bough i really do need help with that

with exactly what you described that you have more info about

[humble bough]

sweet yeah I've got reasonably good info there, I'm doing a master's here atm and just finished most of the frustrating work that people have questions about

hmu with anything you wanna know

[fallow light]

sweet i'll dm you in a minute just gonna make a cup of coffee

[humble bough]

👍

[tame forum]

btw reddits "germany" subreddit also has tons of info in the sidebar.

regarding unis

[fallow light]

ah cheers, i've seen that but it's way too vague

it doesn't help with really particular scenarios

I gotta just call the office

which im gonna do now

[brisk lotus]

For anyone who's done Steuererklaerung in Germany - how much would a working student get in returned taxes ? like more than 50 ? 100 ? wanna know if it's worth it to pay a company around 30 euros.
I'm on ELSTER now and have no idea how to do it myself xD

[hidden briar]

Pay for year one and use that as a template for later years

[exotic barn]

I'm currently studying abroad in Munich if anyone has any questions. I don't know much about housing because my housing is provided by the Uni (And near Schwabing, no less) but I can try and answer any questions. Coming from the US make sure you talk to your school about health insurance. Most American universities require insurance to study abroad but these provided insurance policies are usually not suitable for exemption in Germany.

[tame forum]

Anyone who knows about "duales studium", would it be too late to apply to companies now? Considering their training would start in september?. And also if i am not in Germany at the moment would it complicate things? Do they need interviews? I have these doubts for the undergrad level btw.

And additionally, would being in a duales studium hinder my flexibility to switch my focus aroumd a bit? ( I am not talking about switching entire majors but switching topics around in the same field)

[dusky lantern]

i dont think its too late to apply now

[tame forum]

@dusky lantern just one more thing, if my cv and application letter are in English, will they straight up not read it or it depends on the company?

[hidden briar]

1. if you don't know that there are no majors in germany, you need to read the studying page first https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/wiki/studying
2. duales Studium is mostly in STEM fields, where you have almost no choice until you start your master
3. of course they need an interview, you are working for that company...
4. 99% of all bachelors in germany are in german, most of the ones that aren't are on expensive and below average private universities
5. it's often hard to get in, so yes, non german language applications will most likely go in the trash

[tame forum]

Thanks directing and yah i am also planning to apply for a stem field.

[lunar garden]

anybody know where I can apply for a DSH test?

or DaF test

in Germany

preferably in Thuringia

[exotic barn]

you can look that up in their websites

but dsh will most probably be at some uni

[tight kelp]

there's testdaf locations all over I think. Just go on their website and check the closest location

[lunar garden]

alright, ty

[plucky swan]

Which language is used to teach, learn, and socialise in Swiss schools (schools in Switzerland)? I’m rather curious.

[faint plaza]

If I am not wrong it depends where in switzerland

Some parts teach and only speak French

Some only swizz German

@foggy prism but he can answer it way better than me

[foggy prism]

yes hi

faq switzerland

[lucid valve]

Languages of Switzerland
Officially, Switzerland has four languages: German, French, Italian and Romansh. These languages are however not all spoken in the same region and most Swiss people are not properly multilingual (with the exception of English, which is of course widely spoken throughout Western Europe as a second language). On top of these, there are more minority languages like Lombard and Franco-Provençal, which most people have not even heard of. Here’s a map of the official languages: https://i.imgur.com/MtCDzXZ.png>

German in Switzerland
In Switzerland, most German speakers natively speak a dialect called Swiss German. This dialect is generally spoken in everyday conversation, regardless of the level of formality, and there is no stigma associated with it. Meanwhile, school is held in Standard German from year one onwards, so German speaking Swiss are generally proficient in speaking Standard German. However, many feel that they cannot express themselves as well and try to avoid it if possible. Outside of school, Standard German is used in Switzerland primarily for writing and more generally in media. However, even there Swiss German is commonly encountered. For more information on Swiss German, check out >faq Swiss German

[foggy prism]

there you go

@plucky swan

if you have more questions feel free to ping me

[exotic barn]

If you’re speaking German to a native speaker and accidentally don’t conjugate a verb correctly would they still understand you? Like accidentally saying “Ich haben” instead of “Ich habe”

they still would, yes

[solemn bay]

But sometimes it could be confusing like if you say "sie haben" instead of "sie hat" or something.

[foggy prism]

understand yes, but also definitely notice it is wrong

like, very wrong

you can butcher sentences incredibly much and still be understood

[compact slate]

Sascha is savage

[tight kelp]

come on, he said butcher, not slaughter

[compact slate]

hehe

[plucky swan]

That’s pretty cool

Interesting

@foggy prism So do Swiss schools use Standard German only to teach and socialise?

faq Swiss German

[lucid valve]

What is Swiss German?
Swiss German is the common name for the group of dialects native to Switzerland. It is closely related to the dialects of south-western Germany (e.g. Swabian), and to a lesser extent to the dialects of Austria and Bavaria.

What do you mean, group of dialects?
Because Swiss German is not standardized in any way, there is a lot of variety in how people speak. The differences aren’t large enough to impede understanding, but they are definitely noticable and range from vocabulary over different sounds being used to even differences in grammar!

If I speak German to a Swiss person, will I be understood?
Yes.
All Swiss German speakers have gone through several years of schooling held in Standard German and will definitely understand you without any problems. However, not all Swiss German speakers are very comfortable speaking it themselves, so keep that in mind.

If I want to move to Switzerland, do I have to learn Swiss German?
First of all, make sure to actually learn Standard German. You’ll need it more urgently. But if that’s out of the way, I would advise you to at least learn to understand it. Swiss people really appreciate it when they don’t have to speak Standard German. You don’t have to learn to speak it yourself to integrate. But feel free to try!

Where can I learn Swiss German?
Good question. There’s a collection of resources here: https://www.reddit.com/r/German/comments/abswl2/i_made_a_collection_of_resources_for_learning/
If you find something, let us know. If you have questions, you can always ask in #dialects.

What does it sound like?
It’s been variously described as everything from melodious to throat cancer. Best you just listen yourself:
https://youtu.be/h5-If3WKqfg (Dialect of Graubünden)
https://youtu.be/Gz2S9iggdzM (Slightly over the top comparison)
https://youtu.be/PkGatIgXERI (Classic Bern German song)

See also: >faq Switzerland, >faq Dialects

[foggy prism]

not to socialize, no

I do not speak standard german with other swiss people, unless I absolutely have to

which these days is… never

[plucky swan]

oof

[foggy prism]

and back in high school was “when they are my teacher”

“and I’m in lesson”

“and even then only half the time“

“cause fuck this shit”

[plucky swan]

but the only language used to teach is Standard German, then?

[foggy prism]

yyes

[plucky swan]

lmaooo

[foggy prism]

the teachers have to speak standard german to us while teaching

and at least in primary school will demand the same from us

[plucky swan]

oh, so all Swiss citizens know Standard German to some level, correct?

[foggy prism]

it does say so in that FAQ you just invoked

I recommend you read it

I did write it myself so it’s as if you asked these questions to me ^^

[plucky swan]

It says that all Swiss German speakers have gone through the Standard German schooling

How about all Swiss citizens?

[foggy prism]

well no

in the french speaking part, schools are in french

[plucky swan]

Oh

[foggy prism]

and in the italian speaking part, in italian

[plucky swan]

Ohhh

[foggy prism]

and in some villages around here, there’s romansh schools, and in Chur you can actually do the Matura in romansh

[plucky swan]

So then not all schools is Switzerland teach using Standard German?

[foggy prism]

so there are a few people who have had their entire school in Romansh

despite it being, largely, a minority language

no, only in the german speaking regions

[plucky swan]

oh that’s what I was wondering alright

[foggy prism]

but all schools there do

[plucky swan]

thank you

yeah

[foggy prism]

german is not in any way elevated above the other languages

[plucky swan]

Are there strictly defined borders on where schools teach in what?

[foggy prism]

(well except for romansh which has a somewhat lesser status due to being spoken by so few people)

[plucky swan]

Or rather the regions?

[foggy prism]

uh, each canton sets guidelines for which languages are allowed and then it’s probably up to the villages & towns

dinner’s ready tho

gtg

[plucky swan]

alr sounds good

thanks a lot for your help

faq Switzerland

[lucid valve]

Languages of Switzerland
Officially, Switzerland has four languages: German, French, Italian and Romansh. These languages are however not all spoken in the same region and most Swiss people are not properly multilingual (with the exception of English, which is of course widely spoken throughout Western Europe as a second language). On top of these, there are more minority languages like Lombard and Franco-Provençal, which most people have not even heard of. Here’s a map of the official languages: https://i.imgur.com/MtCDzXZ.png>

German in Switzerland
In Switzerland, most German speakers natively speak a dialect called Swiss German. This dialect is generally spoken in everyday conversation, regardless of the level of formality, and there is no stigma associated with it. Meanwhile, school is held in Standard German from year one onwards, so German speaking Swiss are generally proficient in speaking Standard German. However, many feel that they cannot express themselves as well and try to avoid it if possible. Outside of school, Standard German is used in Switzerland primarily for writing and more generally in media. However, even there Swiss German is commonly encountered. For more information on Swiss German, check out >faq Swiss German

[vestal lodge]

faq Germany

[lucid valve]

FAQ not found. Did you mean...
Swiss German
German letters
German keyboard

[vestal lodge]

faq german keyboard

[lucid valve]

Being able to type German letters is quite important!

• Schon = already. Schön = beautiful.
• Mutter = mother. Mütter = mothers.

How to? There are several options.
🔸 US International layout: if you're using a US keyboard or a keyboard based on it, the transition is very easy! Everything stays as you know it, except for some symbol keys like ~, ` or ", which can be pressed to add accents. For example " + a = ä. You can also do RightAlt + s = ß.
To use US International on Windows, look for the Region & Language options and switch your selected keyboard layout to US International.
:small_orange_diamond: Use a program like AutoHotkey to automatically type the symbols you need when you type certain shortcuts: https://www.autohotkey.com/
🔸 Alternatively, you can memorise the altcodes for German characters. Learning them is easier than you might think! Simply hold Alt and type the numbers on your numpad:
ä = 132; Ä = 142
ö = 148; Ö = 153
ü = 129; Ü = 154
ß = 225
🔸 If all else fails, you can use ASCII conventions for the characters: add an e to other vowels, and write ss or sz for ß. For example:
ae = ä
oe = ö
ue = ü
ss = ß
But this is discouraged since it's harder to read and... looks ugly. It is only done in situations where alternatives are impossible (fonts with no unicode etc).

[tame forum]

btw idk if this is tru for everyone.... but these combinations dont work on my laptop atleast..... they are totally different

ß= alt+ 0223, ö= alt + 0246, ü= alt + 0252, ä= alt + 0228

[tight kelp]

both work for me 🤔

[foggy prism]

adding a 0 will make the codes different

on my laptop both 0223 and 225 work

the ones with leading zeroes take stuff from some different character map with four-digit codes

while the ones without are just codes from 0 to 255 I think

[tame forum]

oh ya ur right those codes work too, i was adding a 0 before the numbers given in the faq.... habits.

my bad

[foggy prism]

following instructions is hard

[tame forum]

If someone graduates from Hochschule with a bachelors, can they go for masters in a "Universität"?

[foggy prism]

that sorta stuff is gonna be very university-dependent

[tame forum]

Hmm, my doubt arises becoz due to thr bologna process, i would have thought it would have been completely possible

[exotic barn]

Did you really have to delete it?

[tame forum]

i guess it was more suited for media.

[exotic barn]

@exotic barn jokes and other material of that kind is better suited for #archived-media. This is a channel for asking questions related to living in one of the DACH countries

[exotic barn]

I just installed an actual German keyboard layout instead. I memorized new placements of keys. Also, making accents in other languages like á, é, and ó, is as simple as pressing the +/= key and hitting the vowel

[dusky lantern]

last i checked a 'hochschule' was the same thing as a 'universität' unless its a 'fachhochschule'

[exotic barn]

not really, Hochschule is the the general term for any type of academic faculty. Universität usually refers to "wissenschaftliche Hochschule" for example. More information can be found here: https://www.studis-online.de/StudInfo/hochschularten.php

[dusky lantern]

thats what i said

the differentiation is made between whats called a fachhochschule and everything else

the rest doesnt matter as far as i know

if someone graduated from a 'hochschule' it probably wasnt a 'fachhochschule', if it is itd be explicitly named

at least thats how i know it

[exotic barn]

well, you said that Hochschule was the same as Universität, which is wrong

[dusky lantern]

idk about you but i go to a fachhochschule and ill happily call it a 'uni' or just 'hochschule' or anything else

lol

[foggy prism]

in switzerland it’s easy: universität is funded by the canton. everything else is ?? and the two technische hochschulen (ETH Zürich and EPF Lausanne) are funded by the state

[surreal ermine]

Was trägt man zu einer Beerdigung und wo kauft man sowas?

[exotic barn]

Männer tragen meistens einen schwarzen Anzug mit weißem Hemd und Frauen eher immer ein schwarzes Kleid/Kostüm mit weißer Bluse und keinem Dekolleté

Dazu meistens schwarze Schuhe

Jeder gute Kleiderladen sollte sowas haben

[foggy prism]

halt was schönes aber schlichtes

[surreal ermine]

Na gut, danke

@foggy prism mein Kleid zum Abiball war auch schön und schlicht 😅
Trotzdem wäre das für die Beerdigung eher nicht so gut denke ich

[foggy prism]

kommt halt drauf an, das war warscheinlich nicht schwarz, oder? :P

ich find’s eigentlich schade, dass man sich bei Beerdigungen so deprimierend anzieht

[surreal ermine]

Kommt ja auf die Leute an, manche sagen auch egal wie man hingeht

[foggy prism]

ich fänd’s schöner wenn man anstatt zu trauern halt die verstorbene Person feiert ^^

aber tja

[surreal ermine]

Ist dunkelblau wohl auch okay?

[foggy prism]

(ich lass da mal jmd anderen antworten ^^)

[exotic barn]

Also ich zieh meistens irgendein weißes Hemd mit schwarzer Hose und schwarzem Sakko an. Dazu dann ein Mantel in braun oder so. Alles in schwarz ist mir auch immer ein bisschen zu viel des Guten

Musst du selbst entscheiden oder frag sonst mal einen Angehörigen

[surreal ermine]

schwarz und braun zusammen x.x

[fleet pelican]

emi denkt nur an mode 😔

[foggy prism]

ich denk halt, dunkelblau könnte schnell “zu edel” sein

aber jenachdem könnte es auch ganz gut passen

[surreal ermine]

Mhm verstehe ich

Och Mensch 😩

[foggy prism]

müsstest es halt mal anziehen und n foto schicken dann können wir’s beurteilen

[fleet pelican]

wie eine Modesendung 🤔

[surreal ermine]

Ich hab ja noch nichtmal was!!

[compact slate]

Gibt es eigentlich sowas wie Beerdigungsmode? 🤔

Bei uns ist die Kleidung nicht so wichtig

[mild quiver]

okay so mini jobs in Germany are income tax free right because my understanding is that if I get a second job it'll get taxed heavily (around 60%?). But at a glance if seems mini jobs are exempt from this? Or would it just mean that my part time job would be taxed instead while the mini job is exempt

not sure how it works here but I want more income but no point if it's taxed heavily

[twilit beacon]

So I've worked for 4 months in 2018 and since I was't working at the end of the year I don't have a Lohnsteuerbescheinigung with which to file my taxes. I'm trying to find out how do I go about getting that but it's being pretty confusing so far.

[knotty lava]

@shut cargo nur nochma zu leipzig vs wien
Falls geld n faktor ist, kommst du in leipzig wahrscheinlich mit nem drittel des Geldes aus das du in Wien bräuchtest
An sich find ich die stadt auch sehr schön
Was absolut gar nich klar geht is wie flach es is. Ich kann mich außerhalb meiner wohnung und der Uni immernoch nich orientieren und wenn wind weht ist es immer ne brutale attacke auf die haut
Es gibt aber viele junge leute und günstige Angebote, ob jetz clubgänger oder teetrinker
In wien war ich selbst halt nur einmal vor etlichen jahren also nen vergleich kann ich dir nich geben

Wenn du aber iwie schon älter bist und evtl sogar familie hast, dafür gibt’s auch einige viertel

[tight kelp]

@mild quiver up to 450€ a month is tax-free

more than that and your income gets taxed depending on your steuerklasse (presumably steuerklasse 1) and you need an insurance which will take what they charge from your income directly

[plucky swan]

Does anybody know why Germany and Austria are so empty in Street View compared to all these other nations?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221709483284496394/544030122303422474/Screenshot_2019-02-10_at_12.38.26_AM.png

[tight kelp]

long story short germany didn't consent to google collecting that data until somewhat recently

don't ask for the actual long story because I don't know it

[pallid rivet]

ban time too

[exotic barn]

@inner comet refrain from such remarks in the future please

[mighty abyss]

@plucky swan Because Austria only has 9mio people

[foggy prism]

switzerland has 8mio and has pretty damn full coverage, even along train lines and in the remotest mountains

it’s all about privacy laws

not population

[mighty abyss]

https://futurezone.at/digital-life/google-street-view-ab-sofort-in-oesterreich-verfuegbar/400065134

[foggy prism]

sprich die Karte ist nicht up to date?

[mighty abyss]

Also Google ist schon so gut wie durch alle Städte gefahren

[compact slate]

Any tips for TestDaF?

[tight kelp]

practise it a lot with mock tests, timing yourself

it was surprisingly hard for me to find free mock tests beyond the ones you find on their website, but at least for the written and spoken parts it's easy to come up with prompts

perhaps have a native give you a short article on something and ask you questions aimed at your understanding of it to simulate the reading comprehension part

and, if that's an issue for you, do your very best to overcome the fear of speaking. Legit record yourself having conversations with yourself or answering questions, because that's basically how it's done in the test itself

[compact slate]

In the mündlicher Ausdruck, do I need to like greet and stuff or just cut to the chase and answer whatever the task is?

Because awkward it will be that for sure

So like in one of their Modalsätze they had like ask for info about a course

So do I go like "guten morgen......" or just ask the questions

[tight kelp]

hmm i can't remember, to be honest. I'd just adapt to the nature of the prompt: if it's conversational, make it conversational, else just cut to the chase

[compact slate]

I see

Thanks

[tight kelp]

ah yes the one about the phonecall

to get info about stuff

[compact slate]

Yes

[tight kelp]

yeah start with the greeting from there, pretend they just answered your call

legit roleplay it, it helps :D

[compact slate]

Haha will try

Thanks!

It's tomorrow actually

[tight kelp]

i was nervous af and i still had good results because i just roleplayed it. Surprisingly, i did worst at the written test, which was the one i had trained the most for

oh well, viel Glück

you'll probably do better than I did at the time :P

[compact slate]

I want to think positively but it's so out of character I'm having an existential crisis lol

[compact slate]

@tight kelp Oh yeah another question if you don't mind. So they say each assignment of each part has a certain amount of time, so the first task of the Leseverstehensteil is 10 mins. Do I have 10 mins or is this the recomended time?

Same with the listening and stuff, after the recording is done you have a few mins in between the tasks right? It starts automatically then?

[tight kelp]

it's somewhat strict. There's a break in the middle, but otherwise the time between the exercises is basically what's needed to prepare it

keep in mind that i did it in a rather small place and (lol) I was the only one doing it at that specific time

so basically it was me, the person in charge and an extra guy from the staff

[compact slate]

My question is whether the time for each task is fixed or only the time for the whole part

So is it 10,20,30mins or 60mins for the part

So not the time between parts but rqther between tasks in each part

[tight kelp]

it's for each part

i found it to be enough actually, except for the written test. But I'm a bit of a "flash tester" if that makes sense, so your mileage may vary

[compact slate]

Yeah I am usually the same

Ok good to know

I'll bring a watch with a timer then

[north harness]

I am moving to Germany in 10 days! For those of you who have traveled to Germany or have moved there as well, what are some things I may have forgotten, that you had forgotten?

[tight kelp]

definitely make a checklist of the bureaucracy and other things to take care of (anmeldung, insurance, german bank account etc)

[tame forum]

This is exactly the reason i suggested for a channel to discuss exam specifics, i mean if geothe has an entire course dedicated to exam preparation alone.... Maybe it does warrent a channel? Oder?

[tight kelp]

why would this channel not be fit for that?

[sand lotus]

Has anyone here had to apply for a national Visum? One where you stay more than 90 days

[foggy prism]

@humble bough

[humble bough]

yep

I've got a student visa, valid til 2021

AMA

(ping me if you ask something)

[sand lotus]

@humble bough how did you deal with the financial stability requirement? Did you get a blocked bank account or a scholarship of some kind? This is my biggest issue so far with the app

[humble bough]

I have a DAAD stipend which sufficed

I just had to bring in my letter of award

but a blocked bank account is the other main option afaik

[sand lotus]

yeah its like 8640 euro though

but im trying to see if theyll let me do something smaller cause im not there for terribly long

and was it this stipend? https://www.deutschlandstipendium.de/de/stipendium-50.html

[humble bough]

no, I have a different stipend

this one, specifically: https://www.daad.de/deutschland/stipendium/datenbank/en/21148-scholarship-database/?daad=1&detail=50026200&origin=20&page=3&q=&status=&subjectGrps=

I don't think they'll let you do less than that, but I haven't looked into it as my stipend exceeds that amount per year

[sand lotus]

im only planning on being there 108 days, so that 8640 is a lot for that time

hopefully theyll let me do less

[humble bough]

I was under the impression it was a monthly minimum and that number was the sum for 12 months, but I don't have any experience with that aspect

so I can't help much in that respect

[sand lotus]

thats alright. the info you did have is helpful

[faint plaza]

As an info

[fleet pelican]

Coming from you this sounds like a 'last 3 digits of your credit card' scam :')

[faint plaza]

Lmao

Nah

It is legit okey

🤣

[tacit briar]

112 stammt aus dem GSM-Standard und theoretisch soll in der ganzen Welt funktionieren

[faint plaza]

Theoretisch

[tacit briar]

Ich glaube, in vielen Länder wirst du automatisch zur richtigen Nummer geschickt, wenn du 112 wählst

[faint plaza]

Sweet

Danke für die Info!

[tight kelp]

That "112 works in all of Europe" is misleading. I don't know about elsewhere but in Italy it's the number for the military police, which is quite different from what the number is used for in Germany

[foggy prism]

in switzerland, 112 works but is not common knowledge

we have 117 for police, 118 for fire brigade and 144 for medical emergency

(when in doubt you can call any of them and be redirected tho)

yea, 112 just redirects you to one of those, depending on what you need

so it’s marginally slower but you only have to remember one

“Laut einer Umfrage der Basler Versicherung kannten 2012 nur rund 50 Prozent die Notfallnummer 144. Die Nummern der Polizei und der Feuerwehr wussten auf Anhieb nur rund 65 Prozent der Begfragten. Der Euronotruf 112 war sogar nur 10 Prozent der Schweizer bekannt.”

[tight kelp]

we really need a unified emergency number, across europe, if not more

[foggy prism]

there’s good reasons why there’s not just one in switzerland

think following scenario:
midsummer floods, lots of people calling in, someone has a heart attack

have fun getting your ambulance in time

[karmic yew]

we really need a unified emergency number, across europe, if not more
obligatory xkcd about new standards, https://xkcd.com/927/

[tight kelp]

i'm not saying there should be just one, but at least one should be the same everywhere so that people don't need to wonder, remember or know

[foggy prism]

but that’s exactly what 112 is

well, is supposed to be

[tight kelp]

I had just said that it's not tho :P

[foggy prism]

just needs to be implemented properly

in switzerland it gets you to the police, but they can redirect you to where you need to go

[tight kelp]

that it exists everywhere is almost useless if a country uses it for medical emergencies, another for the fire dep. and yet another for one of the two police forces

even if they can redirect you, that doesn't mean it's even close to optimal. It takes ears and time away from others who may actually need what they're dialling

[humble bough]

... wait fuck what are the actual emergency numbers here tho

[foggy prism]

112

[tight kelp]

here
🤔

[solemn bay]

Oh, here? It's 000

[humble bough]

I live in Germany lol Sascha knows where I am

[faint plaza]

112

110

In Germany

[tight kelp]

110 for police and 112 for fire/medical emergencies

what's 113 for?

[faint plaza]

Vergiss die 113 😅😂

Mein Fehler

Gerade erst aufgestanden

[humble bough]

I miss having only one emergency number lol

[faint plaza]

Better quality

[humble bough]

... Gift?

[faint plaza]

Toxic stuff

[humble bough]

oh

[faint plaza]

If you drink bleach

Or stuff like that

[humble bough]

okay gotcha like poison control

[faint plaza]

Yes

We have even more numbers

[humble bough]

I just had this mental image of someone being like "oh god I forgot to buy my husband an anniversary present this is an Emergency" 😂

[faint plaza]

Lmao 🤣

I bet that happened already and they called the 113

112*

[mild quiver]

how tf do I get a personalausweis

I've managed to find the pic requirements and ID requirements along with the cost but a specific where to go for it evades me

[tight kelp]

personalausweis only means ID, I trust you have one already .-.

[hardy wren]

115

[mild quiver]

no the identity card

I have a passport

[tight kelp]

you can't get a german identity card unless you're german

the passport should be recognised as a personalausweis

[tame forum]

in speaking exams, do we get 15 mins before the test to prepare?

[fleet pelican]

I believe it depends on the board and the level, but from what I've researched yes

[tight kelp]

for testdaf?

iirc they give you some time for it, yes. 15 mins seems a bit much tho

[tame forum]

hmmm... any idea for goethe tests?

becoz sitting for ielts.... the time was like 3 mins.....

m hoping its not as less for someone sitting a B1 test?

[exotic barn]

I think I had 15 min before speaking (Goethe B1)

[tame forum]

thenkss

how many years ago did u guve ur B1?

[exotic barn]

1

[tame forum]

holy shiit thats a tonn of progress u did in a year.

[exotic barn]

Nah, i just finished my B2 course at that time lol

[tame forum]

ahahahahah, i bet u got near full scores.

[mild quiver]

I am aware you need to be German to get a German identity card. I am asking how to get it. And ye my passport is accepted, but it's easier to carry around a card than a passport @tight kelp

[tame forum]

ur a german?

[mild quiver]

American German dual citizen

[tame forum]

oh, well now its better that the confusions been cleared that u hve a german citizenship

[twilit beacon]

I guess Americans don't have a recognised id other than the passport?

I use my Spanish id as a Personalausweis without any problem

[knotty vortex]

yeah, can't use driver's license abroad, it's not recognized, even if you're just trying to get into a bar

[humble bough]

I've definitely had my driver's license recognized

not for anything serious but the cashier at Rewe was fine with it

but for official purposes I use my passport anyway

[tight kelp]

well i suppose the best perspective here would be that of a German citizen, if nobody else here has dual citizenship and has gone through the trouble

or, well, ask your local consulate or a clerk at the information desk at your local town hall

[tame forum]

If I was to travel to iraq, would that create problems for a German visa application? For context i am not iraqi , my nationality is indian.

[faint plaza]

I don’t think so

I mean they gonna check ya background than

But if you didn’t do anything nah

[tame forum]

Yah seems like it too, but just thought i did double check here.

[faint plaza]

Yeah no problem :))

[mild quiver]

since n26 is an online bank and to my knowledge has no atms, if I wanted to deposit cash into my account how would I do it? Can you deposit cash into debit cards via the post office like in Australia or is it done differently here

[faint plaza]

I think it is done only online and you can’t deposit cash via Automat

I believe

[tame forum]

Does anyone have any idea how strict the correction is on a geothe writng exam. I mean i make atleast 10-12 mistakes in a 80 word paragraph.

I know i am gonna loose some marks but as long as its not drastic

I mean they do realise we are still in the process of learning and might use words that dont exactly fit that context right?

[exotic barn]

i dont think you get to see corrected writings (at least i didnt) so nobody actually knows how strict they are

[tame forum]

Well before giving thr exam, do u recall how many mistakes u made while writing paragraphs?

[exotic barn]

none afaik lol

[tame forum]

Well rip

To me

[exotic barn]

im not the right person to ask, sorry :')

[tame forum]

Nah u were a learner just like us, so ur the perfect person

Oh nvm for the correction thing.. yah ik i think nobody knows

Thankx for the help 👌

[exotic barn]

gerne^^

(im still a learner lol)

[faint plaza]

@foggy prism hey kurze Frage.
Lohnt sich Zürich für nen Urlaub?
Auch von den Preisen her und sowas?

[foggy prism]

meh

ich bin nicht so der Städte-Fan, für nen Besuch lohnt’s sich schon aber es gibt einfach schönere Orte in der Schweiz

[faint plaza]

Die wären?

[foggy prism]

die Schweiz lohnt sich halt vor allem, wenn du auf a) Landschaften oder b) Altstädte stehst

[faint plaza]

Kannst du da was empfehlen?

[foggy prism]

ich bin ehrlich gesagt nicht so bereist. alles in den Alpen ist schön :P
was Städte angeht hat mir Luzern richtig gut gefallen

[faint plaza]

Hmm okay danke 😄

Werde mich dann die Tage schlau machen 😄

[foggy prism]

ich vermut mal, /r/(ask)switzerland werden da einige Tipps haben, schau mal dort in die Sidebar und so

[faint plaza]

Sweet werde ich 👌🏻

[foggy prism]

askswitzerland scheint nen Megathread hier zu haben: https://www.reddit.com/r/askswitzerland/comments/9j4fz1/answer_resources_for_everything_about_switzerland/

[faint plaza]

Hab was

Über des Thema was ich brauche haha

[tame forum]

is the german law like america, where only if ur born in america u can run for president/ kanzler or anyone who recieves the citizenship can run participate in politics?

[faint plaza]

Puhhh good question

I have to look that up

@tame forum there you go

[tame forum]

imagine a 18 yr old chancellor

[tacit briar]

Hmm... also können auch die naturalisierenden Bürger Kanzler werden? 🤔

[tight kelp]

ja

[faint plaza]

^

Jeder mit nem deutschen Ausweis kann es

Lmao

[tacit briar]

hmmm... hatte Deutschland schon einen im Ausland geborenen Kanzler? (außer dem Österreicher, bitte xd)

[tight kelp]

glaube nicht 🤔

[faint plaza]

Wenn die ddr zählt dann ja

Frau Merkel ist in der DDR geboren und war ja Ausland

[tacit briar]

waren die Bürger der DDR nicht automatisch auch Bürger der BRD?

ich glaube, es gab so ein Gesetz oder so

[faint plaza]

Nope

Bei meinen Eltern steht noch immer geboren in der DDR

Im Ausweis

Soweit ich weis

[tacit briar]

In Wikipedia steht aber (was ich auch schon anderswo gelesen habe):
"Im Gegensatz zur DDR seit 1967 hielt die Bundesrepublik Deutschland immer an der einheitlichen deutschen Staatsangehörigkeit (Reichsangehörigkeit) fest, sodass nach bundesdeutschem Recht auch DDR-Bürger deutsche Staatsangehörige waren."

Also, soweit ich weiß, waren Ostdeutsche in BRD automatisch als Bürger behandelt, und nicht wie Ausländer

[faint plaza]

Hahahahaha ja offiziell

Aber bis heute ist das nicht ganz so

Glaub’s mir

[tacit briar]

Offiziell, weil wir bisher nur von dem offizielen Standpunkt reden (also Recht, Gesetz, Staat, usw), richtig?

und nicht wie sie von der Gesellschaft behandelt werden usw

d.h. wenn ich das richtig verstehe, man konnte, als Ostdeutscher, in die BRD kommen (solange man es geschafft hat, die DDR zu verlassen 😉 ) und durfte ab sofort wählen, soziale Leistungen beantragen usw

[faint plaza]

Glaube ich ja

Vor dem Mauerfall

War aber riskant

Und wenn du Familie hattest war es sehr sehr dumm

[lunar garden]

anybody by any chance of any good university in Thüringen for System Engineering?

both in English or German are okay

[tame forum]

On the DAAD and Hochschule compass website you can add location filters and search for courses. You will get quicker results . @lunar garden

[mild quiver]

aye what shops sell coca cola but in the glass bottles? I've checked REWE, Aldi, and Penney but they only ever have it in plastic bottles or cans. I can only ever find them for sale at fastfood places so I know they exist just idk where they get them

[tight kelp]

they're more expensive, they can't conform to the pfand system, and they're less practical

but i can't find any source saying they're not allowed

I haven't seen many drinks sold in glass bottles for many many years, whether here or in Italy, except for alcohol

[fleet pelican]

usually only in supermarkets designed for 'business' folks

i.e. where you're only allowed membership if you have a certain profession

can be anything from running a pizza joint to your own vetinary practice

[mild quiver]

that's.. bizarre but okay

[exotic barn]

what about this: https://www.getraenkedienst.com/softdrinks/cola-und-cola-mixgetraenke/coca-cola-24-x-0-33l-glas

[tacit briar]

I'm curious, what's the difference between Cola in a glass bottle vs a plastic bottle? Isn't it supposed to be the exactly same drink?

[exotic barn]

yes, theres no difference

[fleet pelican]

@mild quiver not really, if you think of a costco that didnt give out membership to everyone

[tight kelp]

the container can indeed influence the drink to some extent

[fleet pelican]

yeah, for example if I put my coke in a paper bag I won't have coke left anymore

[tight kelp]

cola in a glass bottle would lose its "bubbles" more slowly and possibly taste better, but not by much tbh

[exotic barn]

rewe also sells them btw https://shop.rewe.de/p/coca-cola-glasflasche-0-5l/6587712

[tight kelp]

smort hork

[mild quiver]

the ingredients are the same but the taste for the glass bottle is definitely better

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2egyjc/eli5_why_do_drinks_taste_better_in_glass_bottles/

also weird I've not seen them in rewes

Will check again

[exotic barn]

What would be the most efficient way to learn German besides throwing yourself into the country & culture itself

[tame forum]

internet is ur friend....... consume german media, subscribe to german subreddits for german memes, discuss stuff on this server, and try checking out the reesource lists

[tight kelp]

the best way is definitely using a text/coursebook to walk you through the grammar

while you immerse yourself

to be brutally honest, most videos and content you find on the internet about languages, in general or in particular, are useless for learning

[exotic barn]

yeah it definitely feels like it, maybe reimbursting yourself into the environment would be the best option since you’re put into a situation where you HAVE to be around it 24/7 rather than at-choice of learning and only for the time-being

[tight kelp]

if anything they're good for motivation or to stay engaged, which is useful but shouldn't be mistaken for actual learning. It doesn't give you any progress

physical immersion definitely helps, but 1. it's overrated, at least by itself, and 2. it's not essential

[tacit briar]

@mild quiver just an idea, if it tastes better from a glass bottle, can't you just get an empty glass bottle and pour it with Cola from a plastic bottle?

[exotic barn]

true, true

[tight kelp]

I've never set foot in an English-speaking country myself yet

and there are hundreds of thousands of people who have spent decades living abroad and still unmistakably sound like foreigners, while others have been there for much less and speak better than them.

[exotic barn]

I live in a very diverse tourist spot that’s well known globally, I’ve met several german people but I just wish I could pronouns r’s better. I can somehow flawlessly speak French accent-wise but not German

[tight kelp]

everything that exposes you to the language helps if you know how to use it

[exotic barn]

so it’d depend on how dedicated you are?

[tight kelp]

dedication helps being constant, which is the real key, but there is know-how to be obtained if you want to get actual results past a certain point, and/or you want your learning to be time-efficient

that said, don't let all the talk about efficiency stress you or make you feel like you're not doing enough; that's a trap I myself fall in very often and it's, frankly speaking, bullshit. As long as you do even ten minutes (indicative amount of time, don't take it literally) of daily activity dedicated to the target language, you'll see progress

[exotic barn]

That’s valid, thank you I’ll take a lot of this into consideration

[tight kelp]

so when it comes to practical things, find something to guide you through the language and start with that

[exotic barn]

I wish I were able to stay in Germany for longer than a month at a time but people in Frankfurt don’t act too kindly to homosexuals, it makes me pretty uncomfortable so I immediately set a month later to return to the US. It kind of delays my learning progress as well since not many people want to talk to me for that reason lol

[tight kelp]

then find ways to use what you learn as you go

[exotic barn]

Yea yea!

[tight kelp]

people in Frankfurt don’t act too kindly to homosexuals
really? 🤔

[exotic barn]

From what I’ve experienced so far ):

[tight kelp]

i'm not asking you to share any particular incident if you don't want to but i'm pretty curious about that statement

[exotic barn]

Ah, it’s more like spitting in my direction or people would glare and call me a “dog” like kinda just shout it from across the street or something

I’ve learned along the way it’s an insult but it’s whatever haha

[tight kelp]

i've been living for a couple years here in germany and i've felt rather welcomed

[exotic barn]

It may just be Frankfurt then, other cities have been absolutely wonderful regarding sexuality

[tight kelp]

and i live in a city that has a really high number of immigrant denizens, the majority of which from countries we can safely call "conservative"

never been to frankfurt myself though

[exotic barn]

Or maybe I’m just running into the wrong people at the wrong time!

Ahh man immigrants

My bf complains a lot about them

[tight kelp]

I've been basically living amongst them for all my time in Germany and I can say what little preconceptions I had have faded away. If anything, it served to convince me that those who scoff at them are only ignorant about them, or worse choose to only see one side of them – which is really a side all humans have

as I said, I've felt pretty welcomed here

[exotic barn]

Ah, that’s great that you feel welcomed then!

I’m hoping to come to that point eventually