#archived-culture-study-visa

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whole pecan
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Or a bus

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Also is free public WiFi prominent in Germany?

viral geyser
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Train
No, free public WiFi is an exception

whole pecan
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Ok thx

foggy prism
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it's definitely a train because it says Gleis 3, Gleis is train track. The train line is probably just called R8, and the other number might be a train ID (might be useful if you leave your stuff there and need to tell someone which train it was)

alpine hollow
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it's RB not R8

foggy prism
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oh well I just woke up readinf such small numbers is hard, especially if they aren't numbers at all

alpine hollow
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:D

foggy prism
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I assume that means regionalbahn or sth

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in that case

alpine hollow
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yep

exotic barn
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I have a question about something regarding german life

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so basically

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apparently there are a lot of Physiotherapy jobs in Germany

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however I looked online and its only like 28k-34k euro a year

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average salary

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this seems really low

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tl;dr is 28k even liveable for someone in Germany

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I guess its closer to 2,945euro/month

rain panther
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Is 28 k liveable lol

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28k netto is good

alpine hollow
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it's very livable if that's netto

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if it's brutto, then it's not much

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but still livable

tight kelp
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It also depends on where you are, since stuff like rent or the monthly expenses for food will vary a lot

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But at the moment I'm monthly in the positive while earning less, and this is a household of two

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So I would say it's definitely liveable if you're alone or your expenses are limited. If you must have a car for example, it's possible you would need a little more

tacit briar
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"Das Netto-Durchschnittsentgelt pro Monat liegt 2015 je nach Veranlagung zwischen 2.193 und 2.578 Euro."

So if this 2900 is netto, then it's much more than the state's average.

rain panther
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Muss ich fernsehengebühren zahlen? Ich habe kein fernsehen

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Ich wohne in Deutschland

tacit briar
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Es gibt kein "Fernsehengebühren", es gibt eine allgemeine Gebühr für öffentliche Medien. Ja, jeder Haushalt muss sie zahlen.

rain panther
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Thats gay

tacit briar
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That's good IMO 👍

rain panther
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Why?

tacit briar
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Because public media should be free of commercial (and possibly governmental too) influences, and that can be only guaranteed if they're paid from a public source, that's separate from taxes

fiery edge
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If someone in your household already pays for it I don't think you should pay it again

tacit briar
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Yes, it's one payment per household. I don't know the exact rules if there's more people living together, but I'm pretty sure they all pay only once

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If you have two houses, you pay twice btw

rain panther
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I live alone now

tacit briar
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Then you should register (or get registered by your Stadtverwaltung) and pay it regularly

fiery edge
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Does the landlord pay for this usually?

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If it's a rented place

tacit briar
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No, it's the one who lives there

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Source: I'm renting a flat and pay it myself

rain panther
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Same but still i find it stupid... i have to pay for rundfunk services that im not using

foggy prism
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I think for me it’s included in my rent, but maybe germany works differently

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plus I’m a sub-renter

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so I pay someone money who pays the landlord

tight kelp
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yeah here it's not included in rent

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i'm a sub-renter myself

tacit briar
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In Germany, you register your place of living in the city hall (or whatever). That associates you with a flat/house. This registration is lawfully a basis of you being expected to pay

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Doesn't matter if it's your house, or you rent or what. If you live there, you pay

fiery edge
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What does it even include btw. I've lived here over a year and only came across this recently

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My old place I think it was already part of the rent. Because I had never heard of it

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And my new place it's already being paid for

tacit briar
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There's a complete website describing the matter, maybe you'll find it interesting: https://www.rundfunkbeitrag.de/

fiery edge
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Thanks

cinder flame
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Hi, so what is the education in Germany like? Like, what stuff do you learn, and what is the structure of the system?

alpine hollow
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this should give you a good overview

worthy leaf
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@foggy prism weißt du ob Ausländer schweizerische Führerscheine bekommen dürfen ohne einen ausländischen Führerschein schon zu haben

foggy prism
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keine ahnung

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hab selber keinen

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da müsstest du wohl an die Gesetzbücher

worthy leaf
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das öffentliche Verkehrsmittel ist gut genug dass man keinen braucht oder

foggy prism
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in der Schweiz? ja, ausser du willst an sehr abgelegene Orte

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also es gibt keinen Bus zu jeder Berghütte :P

worthy leaf
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:P

alpine hollow
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schweizerisch hehe

foggy prism
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aber so etwa jedes Dorf ist auf irgend eine Weise mit dem Netz verbunden

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hast du vor, länger hier her zu kommen?

alpine hollow
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sagt ihr eigentlich schweizer oder schweizerisch in der Schweiz?

foggy prism
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in welchem Kontext?

alpine hollow
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generell

foggy prism
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die Wörter gibt’s beide

worthy leaf
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wenn alles nach Plan läuft komme ich bald zu deiner Uni

foggy prism
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aber eher schweizer

alpine hollow
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ja, aber welches nutzt ihr?

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okay, dann wie bei uns

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an deine Uni

foggy prism
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also mit den ÖV kommst du problemlos klar, machen die meisten Studenten

worthy leaf
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super! verstanden, danke

foggy prism
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schau dir Abos an

cinder flame
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@alpine hollow thank you.

foggy prism
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sparst viel geld

worthy leaf
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ja sicher

foggy prism
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Halbtax ist vor allem fast immer zu empfehlen

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das lohnt sich ab etwa drei Zugfahrten im Jahr

worthy leaf
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ist das der Name eines Abonnements für die ÖV

alpine hollow
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Sind in der Regel Öffis nicht im Studententicket drin?

foggy prism
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das Halbtax ist ein “alle ÖV (schweizweit) zum halben Preis” Abo

alpine hollow
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oha

foggy prism
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das hat fast jeder

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dann gibt’s noch das GA, das ist “alle ÖV. Punkt.“

worthy leaf
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achso. und wer darf das Halbtax bekommen

alpine hollow
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dann nehm ich an, das schweizer Unis keine Öffis anbieten^^

foggy prism
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jeder, das wird sogar Touristen empfohlen

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musst dir nur den Swisspass holen, so ne chipkarte wo die das drauf laden

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kannst du wahrscheinlich sogar online bestellen

worthy leaf
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ok werde ich

foggy prism
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wo ziehst du denn hin?

worthy leaf
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Zürich?

foggy prism
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okay dann willst du wahrscheinlich halbtax + zvv zone 1

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oder das GA, wenn du vor hast viel herumzureisen

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das ist aber teuer

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also lohnt sich wirklich nur, wenn du’s auch brauchst

worthy leaf
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Zone bedeutet das gleiche wie Kreis oder

foggy prism
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ja so irgendwie

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ist so n ding von den zürcher ÖV

worthy leaf
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ah ok

foggy prism
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Zone 1 ist einfach Zürich Stadt + umliegende Agglo

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ist recht gross

alpine hollow
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Agglo?

foggy prism
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agglomeration

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suburbs

alpine hollow
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ah

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nie vorher so gehört

foggy prism
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hast du schon ne wohnung gefunden?

worthy leaf
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ne

foggy prism
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das ist ja so ein bisschen der Haken an Zürich :P

worthy leaf
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suche gerade

foggy prism
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dann viel erfolg

worthy leaf
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danke

foggy prism
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die ETH und die Uni Zürich haben glaub ich n angebot, wo sie ausländischen Schülern bei der Wohnungsssuche helfen

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da würd ich mal reinschauen

worthy leaf
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das ist nur für Masters

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zumindest hab ich das auf der Internetseite gefunden. die bieten keine Wohnungen für Bachelors an

foggy prism
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ich glaube selber anbieten nicht aber vielleicht vermitteln sie trotzdem?

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eben, hat mich nicht betroffen, drum hab ich’s nicht genau angeschaut

worthy leaf
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ich glaube es gibt einfach Links zu anderen Seiten

foggy prism
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was gehst du studieren?

worthy leaf
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Physik. aber der Plan ist nach dem ersten Jahr auch Informatik zu studieren. ein Professor sagte ich könne das tun wenn ich gute Resultate im ersten Jahr bekomme

foggy prism
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an der UZH in dem fall?

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ETH macht so sachen ja eigentlich nicht

worthy leaf
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weiß nicht das hatte mir der Professor gesagt, den ich getroffen habe

foggy prism
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ja also an welche hochschule du gehst, solltest du schon wissen

worthy leaf
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dieser Prof arbeitet bei der ETH

foggy prism
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also grundsätzlich macht die ETH keine nebenfächer

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da hast du auch keine Zeit dafür

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was man definitiv kann ist studiengänge wechseln

worthy leaf
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stimmt. weiß ich auch nicht genau, das werde ich sehen. zuerst muss ich die Prüfungen des ersten Jahres bestehen

foggy prism
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ja da arbeite ich auch grad dran

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:P

worthy leaf
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viel Erfolg :)

foggy prism
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wenn alles gut geht hast du mich vielleicht im 2. semester als hilfsassistent :P

worthy leaf
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das wird sehr interessant sein :D

foggy prism
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also wenn alles perfekt läuft sogar schon im 1. aber das ist unwahrscheinlich

worthy leaf
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wovon hängt das ab

foggy prism
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es ist theoretisch möglich, ab dem 3. Semester Hilfsassistent zu werden

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aber man kann sich erst dafür anmelden, wenn man die Basisprüfung offiziell bestanden hat

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die Resultate erhält man aber sehr spät

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und meistens gibt es bis dann keine offenen Stellen mehr

worthy leaf
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ah ok

foggy prism
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also es ist wirklich nur glück

alpine hollow
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ein Freund von mir wurde hier Tutor für ein Fach aus dem 5. Semester lol

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in seinem 3. Semester ohne die Prüfung gemacht zu haben

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keine Ahnung wie er das geschafft hat

foggy prism
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konnte der es einfach so gut oder wie

alpine hollow
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Der war an sich ein smarter Kerl, keine Ahnung :D

foggy prism
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das musst du ja auch noch irgendwie beweisen, dass du’s drauf hast

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na ich hab vor zum Linalg zu unterrichten

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das ist gemütlich

worthy leaf
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linear algebra oder

foggy prism
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ja

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aber man kann offenbar nicht so genau entscheiden, was man schlussendlich unterrichten muss

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vor allem für welche studiengänge

worthy leaf
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bedeutet das dass du vielleicht einen Fach unterrichten müssen wirst in dem du nicht so sicher bist

foggy prism
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ich hoffe nicht

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man kann schon präferenzen angeben

worthy leaf
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ah ok

foggy prism
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also von unseren Fächern könnte ich alles beibringen ausser Numerik, und sogar das wäre machbar

alpine hollow
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interessant

foggy prism
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aber bei anderen Studiengängen weiss ich natürlich nicht, was die anders machen

alpine hollow
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du kannst dich hier direkt für den "job" bewerben hier

foggy prism
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aber von der Theorie her geht mathe/physik meistens am tiefsten

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also am gemütlichsten zu unterrichten wäre definitiv Informatik

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was einfach ein einführungskurs ins programmieren war

worthy leaf
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studierst du also Informatik

foggy prism
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ausser sie wechseln die Programmiersprache

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nein

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wir hatten Informatik als fach

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ich mach Mathe

worthy leaf
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achso

jade helm
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ich versuche gerade, ein interdisziplinäres Projekt finanziert zu bekommen. Mit angewandter Physik, Elektrotechnik, Informatik und (natürlich) Kryptographie, also hust Mathe

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im exotischen Ausland

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😉

worthy leaf
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cool

jade helm
worthy leaf
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kann in #german-only oder #science weiter gehen

pine rampart
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hello, anyone here who has done studienkolleg?

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I had a few questions

exotic barn
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Just post the questions, someone might answer

fiery edge
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@pine rampart I haven't done Studienkolleg myself but I have friends who have. why don't you ask your questions, I'll try answering some of them if I can

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I have a question myself: does anyone here have Vodafone in Germany? How do I get rid of the CallYa Smartphone Special Tarif for €9,99 ? I'd rather just get 4GB internet

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Instead of wasting €10 for the special

exotic barn
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I think you should just go to a vodafone shop and ask them

tight kelp
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i don't think there's any cheaper tarif 🤔

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if you find something, do remember to tell, because I have the same problem basically

fiery edge
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Well it's not that I'm looking for a cheaper tariff. I just want the data to be honest. Idc about the minutes/SMS , since I use WhatsApp calling all the time. So with the tariff I get 1-1,5GB internet but then I need to buy an extra 3-4GB to suffice me for the month which costs a lot in total tbh. So I'd rather do without the €10 tariff, and just pay when I want for what I want

tight kelp
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thing is, I don't think they offer any tarif without the minuts/sms

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because they know that many people don't even need them so they include them by default to justify the prices :D

fiery edge
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Ah right. Yes I think you're right they all have the minutes. But my specific problem is with the CallYa Special. Vodafone books it automatically for me whenever I have €10 balance. I don't want that automatic booking.

alpine hollow
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call them

exotic barn
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^call them and ask lol

fiery edge
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Right, I think I'll do that :)

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Maybe next month though. For the WM they added an extra 11GB for free 😹

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So I'm okay with it for now

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Noch ne Frage: how does tipping work here beim Friseur? How much does one normally tip?

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I'm gonna go get a haircut today, which is surprisingly my first one in DE after being here over a year

alpine hollow
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round up

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around 10% if you like it

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otherwise don't

fiery edge
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Gotcha :)

foggy prism
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huh that's one place I've never tipped at

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by which I mean I don't think I've ever tipped someone outside the food industry, except maybe "keep the change" if it's like a single tiny coin

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like if I pay 29.95 for sth I might just tell them to keep the change

alpine hollow
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don't feel obligated to tip tho

foggy prism
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except these days I've basically switched away from cash anyway

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since you can do everything with contactless in zürich

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and it's just faster

alpine hollow
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yeah, germany is not as encompassing yet for cashless transactions

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it's getting there

foggy prism
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neither is anywhere else in switzerland

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also when I say everything I mean "everything I need"

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which is basically the Mensa at school

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and the supermarket

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I still carry cash around, I think last time I used it was at tue cinema?

fiery edge
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Ah I'm used to tipping for haircuts back home

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That's if I like it though

foggy prism
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maybe it’s slightly different in Germany but here you only tip if the service was really good

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like, above expectancy

fiery edge
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But then again It's cause the place I go to there charges less than normal , so I think its okay

foggy prism
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like if you ask for a haircut and the hairdresser had some brilliant idea and recommends that and you love it, maybe tip for the great service

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or sth

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but if they’re just doing their job, idk, hairdressers are pricy as is

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the one place where I’d say it’s somewhat customary to tip either way here is food delivery

fiery edge
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Ah alright. Well like I said it'll be my first time here in Germany so I'm not sure of the prices and how it works

foggy prism
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unless it was really slow

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and then it’s usually just rounding up to the next 5 or so

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regardless of the price

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or if you went eating out fancy and the service was spot on you might leave a small note (as in bank :P) but idk how much, I’ve never been rich enough to afford that on my own ^^

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that was always on my parents

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but in general, tipping is never expected

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but always appreciated

fiery edge
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Will take note of that , thanks

foggy prism
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also note that in some establishments, employees are not allowed to take tips and have to give them to company

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but that’s more in like, hospitals and the likes I think

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not in places where tipping is actually somewhat common

fiery edge
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Oh I've never thought of tipping at hospitals

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But good to know 😁

foggy prism
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I worked as a nurse for a bit, though in long-term (elderly) care, not a hospital, and occasionally the people there wanted to treat you sth if you were nice to them

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usually that meant like a chocolate bar or sth

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which was fine

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but then sometimes someone wanted to give us money

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and there we had strict rules

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(try to not accept it, if they insist take it and put it into a shared thingy so we can buy stuff for the whole station with it)

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(like breakfast for the sunday shift)

pine rampart
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@fiery edge I am a bit skeptical about applying to studienkolleg

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how tough is it to get enrolled in studienkolleg?

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Like I know that they will be selecting only a few applicants from the entrance exam

fiery edge
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If you want to study at university in Germany (or other countries in dach I think) , you'd need to do the Studienkolleg anyway, if your high school qualifications don't match the German ones

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Have you checked about your qualifications first?

pine rampart
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My qualification matches with the German abitur

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but here's the problem

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If my grades don't meet up with the university req's then can I do studienkolleg?

fiery edge
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Yeah. I'd try applying directly to university though, if you get in then you wont have to worry about Studienkolleg. My qualifications matched the German Abitur too so i didn't bother with it and I'm currently studying in uni. Though tbh Studienkolleg will help you get used to the different subjects in German, but i think if your German level is high enough it won't be too difficult without SK, and you'll get the hang of it.

To answer your initial question: it's fairly easy to get into a Studienkolleg, you'd need a minimum of B1 Level German I think, and the entrance tests aren't difficult if you study. my old roommates barely studied but still got in. If one place doesn't work out, there are still many other places you can apply to. So don't feel too pressurised cause like I said it's not too difficult to get enrolled.

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The tests will just be basic stuff you've already learnt in school, since your Abitur Matches the German one

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Just in a different language

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In fact, everyone I learnt german with is now in Studienkolleg. So you should be fine

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The difficult part is once you start SK lol

foggy prism
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seh ich das richtig, das(?) studienkolleg ist praktisch ein Uni-Vorbereitungskurs für ausländische Studenten?

alpine hollow
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mehr oder minder

foggy prism
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ich glaub das gibt’s bei uns einfach nicht

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hier musst du einfach ne prüfung bestehen, die dich als der Matura gleichgesetzt auszeichnet

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dann darfst du an die Unis

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und wenn du keine Matura hast (egal ob schweizer oder ausländer) gibt’s die Passarelle

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was wohl am ehesten zu vergleichen ist

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z.B. wenn du ne Berufsmittelschule gemacht hast

alpine hollow
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was ist das?

foggy prism
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aber dann doch studieren willst

alpine hollow
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also Passarelle?

foggy prism
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dann kannst du so nen, ich glaub einjahres-aufholkurs machen

alpine hollow
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klingt nach Studienkolleg :o

foggy prism
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Die Passerelle ist in der Schweiz eine Ergänzungsprüfung zur Berufsmatura und berechtigt zur Aufnahme an einer universitären Hochschule (Universität oder ETH) in der Schweiz. Universitäten im Ausland können die Prüfung auf freiwilliger Basis anerkennen, sind also nicht dazu verpflichtet. Die Vorbereitung auf die Passerelleprüfung kann entweder im Selbststudium oder an einer Schule mit entsprechendem Angebot durchgeführt werden

alpine hollow
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nur haben wir nicht so wirklich den "matura-test"

foggy prism
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wir auch nicht, die Matura ist der Abschluss von einem Gymnasium

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wir haben zwar abschlussprüfungen

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aber die sind nur ca 50%

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also du musst das letzte jahr bestehen, und deine abschlussnoten sind dann abschlussprüfung + jahresnote gemittelt

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in den Fächern, wo du eine Prüfung hattest

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und sonst halt einfach die letzte Zeugnisnote

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und wenn du da bestanden hast, dann hast du die Matura

alpine hollow
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:o

foggy prism
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eine von den Noten ist auch noch ne Arbeit schreiben

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gleich gewichtet wie ein normales schulfach

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das genaue system unterscheidet sich aber recht drastisch zwischen den Kantonen

alpine hollow
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ui :o

foggy prism
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z.B. bei uns hatte man ein Schwerpunktfach das recht wichtig war, im Kanton Zürich dagegen setzt man den Schwerpunkt durch Wahl von Profilen, und es hat Schulen die sich speziell auf gewisse Profile spezialisiert haben

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also kannst du davon ausgehen, dass ein Zürcher ein tieferes aber weniger breites Wissen am ende des Gymnasiums hat

alpine hollow
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sehr interessant

fiery edge
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@pine rampart im Not Sure if you know this (or have done so already), but you can apply to any uni of your choice via uni-assist. They will then convert your qualifications to compare to the German Abitur and you'll be able to tell whether your grades meet the requirements (they'll show it to you quantitatively, though it takes up to 6 weeks normally)

alpine hollow
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it's not any uni

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some unis use uni-assist

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some don't

fiery edge
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Ah right. But uni-assist was the only option I had to find out what my grades were in the German system.

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Anabin to see whether the qualifications are equivalent to the Abitur, uni-assist to get the actual Noten

exotic barn
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Just use the bavarian equation or sth

fiery edge
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There's an equation? Afaik there's no set conversion to it

fiery edge
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It seems that's just specifically from a polish university to one in Mannheim

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someone who did the UK A-levels can't use that

exotic barn
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Idk the uk a lvls

foggy prism
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nah it converts from any numerical one to the german one

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as I understand it

exotic barn
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But most countries use some sort of numbers

foggy prism
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as long as they’re both linear I guess

fiery edge
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The A-levels use letters

foggy prism
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assuming the german one is linear inthe first place

exotic barn
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Yes sasha

foggy prism
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you could use percentages instead

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maybe

fiery edge
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But the percentages there (UK) arent fixed either 😅 . Based on world thresholds I believe

foggy prism
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what are the possible grades in the system this converts to?

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cause entering the swiss numbers and the worst possible grade I get an 8.5 in Germany

exotic barn
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Germany has 1-6

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4 is still passing

foggy prism
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yea you see, switzerland has 1-6 the other way round and 4 is passing

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so stuff gets a bit weird with comparing

exotic barn
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Well, it should work for most countries 🤷

foggy prism
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CH  DE
6.0 1.0
5.5 1.7
5.0 2.5
4.5 3.2
4.0 4.0

3.0 5.5
2.0 7.0
1.0 8.5
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what german grade would you consider “very good”?

alpine hollow
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eh

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sieht sehr falsch aus für deutschland

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very good sind 1.0-1.3

foggy prism
exotic barn
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Germany doesn’t have below 6.0 afaik

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Correct

foggy prism
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was nach dem rechner alles von 2.1 aufwärts “sehr gut” oder besser machen würde

alpine hollow
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1-1.3 very good
1.7-2.3 good
2.7-3.3 satisfactory
3.7-4.0 passing
4.3-6.0 failed

exotic barn
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4.1-6.0*

alpine hollow
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4- ist fail^^

foggy prism
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gibt’s bei euch keine halben noten?

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also kein 1.5?

alpine hollow
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exotic barn
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Tut mir für die Leute leid, die 3.9 im Abi hatten

chilly narwhal
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wir haben kein 4.1 😮

alpine hollow
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nur im schnitt

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noten gehen nur in .33~er schritten

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also ganze noten für ein fach

chilly narwhal
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^

foggy prism
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bei uns werden die prüfungen in viertelnotenschritten vergeben

exotic barn
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Ist auch der technische Schnitt

foggy prism
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also .25

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und dann der schnitt in tausendstel (aber effektiv auf zehntel gerundet)

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ah ne sorry der endgültige schnitt wird wieder auf viertelnoten gerundet

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aber zwischenstände kann man ungerundet nachschauen

exotic barn
#

How do the german grades correspond to percentages?

alpine hollow
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each grade is about 5%

exotic barn
#

Wait, the passing grade would be 80 % tho???

alpine hollow
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95-100 - 1.0
90-95 - 1.3
85-90 - 1.7
80-85 - 2.0
75-80 - 2.3
70-75 - 2.7
65-70 - 3.0
60-65 - 3.3
55-60 - 3.7
50-55 - 4.0

exotic barn
#

Oh

alpine hollow
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the actual thresholds might vary depending on exam and prof

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but that's more or less the basic structure

exotic barn
#

It’s pretty much the same in czechia

compact slate
#

So if I've got 1.3-1.7 I'm good?

tight kelp
#

yep

compact slate
#

Phew

alpine hollow
#

well

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1.7-2.3 is good

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1.0-1.3 is very good

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depening on your definition for what is good tho :P

compact slate
#

Like I don't really know how will the uni deduct my high school diploma

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But it is around 90

alpine hollow
#

you wanted to do CS anyway right

tight kelp
#

well it's not bad however you look at it, unless you're required to be the very best

compact slate
#

Yes

alpine hollow
#

so your grades shouldn't mater

compact slate
#

Why?

alpine hollow
#

i don't think i know of any cs program that has an NC

compact slate
#

What about entrance exams?

alpine hollow
#

please

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we're not austria

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:)

compact slate
#

Lol

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So just enroll and not drop out?

alpine hollow
#

yes

compact slate
#

Sounds fishy to me lol

alpine hollow
#

that's the hard part

compact slate
#

I am sure

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But still so different than my country

tight kelp
#

it's called free education 🦅 ❌

alpine hollow
#

well enrolling is not the hard part

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but not dropping out is

exotic barn
#

Aussieben :^)

compact slate
#

Hoping to enroll next year

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Already translated my highschool diploma

fiery edge
#

Enrollment is easy like they've said

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Good luck

compact slate
#

Thanks

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I also want to take a c1 exam before moving

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Though I might do that there

alpine hollow
#

better do it before so you are safe

compact slate
#

Yeah

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I hope my citizenship will save me some trouble though

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With the enrollment that is

alpine hollow
#

it helps for sure!

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since you can directly apply to each uni

compact slate
#

Good

foggy prism
#

NC being numerus clausus?

compact slate
#

Yes

foggy prism
#

we only have that for medicine

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like at this point the medicine entrance exam is called numerus clausus by everyone

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(actualyl I think music has sth different too)

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ich glaub bei musik haben sie keinen NC aber trotzdem eine aufnahmeprüfung

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während halt bei medizin einfach nur eine gewisse anzahl reinkommen

fiery edge
#

Ist das Studium in der Schweiz auch gebührenfrei?

foggy prism
#

nein, aber nicht sonderlich teuer

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~600 Franken / Semester

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was im Vergleich zu Miete und Lebenskosten verschwindend ist

fiery edge
#

Das wäre jetzt nur der Semesterbeitrag oder

foggy prism
#

ja

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aber ich hab für schulmaterial nur wenig geld ausgegeben

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wir hatten bisher keine obligatorischen Bücher oder so

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und teure Programme wie Matlab können wir kostenlos haben

fiery edge
#

Ah okay

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Es gibt aber keine "Gebühren" wie in anderen Ländern zb?

foggy prism
#

weiss nicht, was du genau damit meinst

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Das Studium an der ETH Zürich ist – wie jede Ausbildung – mit Kosten verbunden. Neben Schulgeld und Semesterbeiträgen von CHF 649 fallen vor allem die Lebenshaltungskosten ins Gewicht. Jährlich ist mit einem Betrag in der Höhe von CHF 16‘000 – 26‘000 für Studien- und Lebenshaltungskosten zu rechnen.

fiery edge
#

Zb in UK bezahlt man jährlich(?) £9000 (als intl student) für das Studium

foggy prism
#

ne eben das sind die rund 650/semester

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sonst zahlst du der schule nichts

exotic barn
#

In Deutschland sind das so um die 250€ im Durchschnitt

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(Nicht auf die Franken bezogen)

foggy prism
#

genauer:
580 Studiengebürhen + 70 obligatorische Beiträge (an den sportverband, die stipendienfonds und den studentenverband)

alpine hollow
#

und die bawüler ignorieren :D

foggy prism
#

zur einfachen umrechnung übrigens ist ein franken ziemlich genau ein dollar

fiery edge
#

das halte ich eigentlich für "keine Gebühren". Bei mir zu Hause sind die Gebühren in Höhe von €25.000+ (nach Umrechnung)

exotic barn
#

So gesehen ist das, was wir zahlen, für euch eher ein kleines Trinkgeld

alpine hollow
#

selbst wenn man als eu-ausländer in bawü studiert, ist es teilweise noch billiger

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🤔

fiery edge
#

Ok das war übertrieben. Eher €15-25k

exotic barn
#

Auch nicht viel besser lol

fiery edge
#

Ja 😅

tight kelp
#

Heh, aufnahme bei Musik

fiery edge
#

Das sind nur die Studiengebühren btw. Wenn man die Lebenshaltungskosten zählt wird es noch höher

pine rampart
#

@fiery edge thanks for the answer, you lifted my hopes a bit GWnanaPepoHype

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I am also doing A levels

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this is my last year and Idk what grades I will end up with ;-;

fiery edge
#

Oh so you're yet to receive your grades?

pine rampart
#

yeah

fiery edge
#

Are your final boards over or doing it next year?

pine rampart
#

I think they won't be good

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its over

fiery edge
#

Ah okay. I did a levels too and I know the feel. It never feels good 😅

pine rampart
#

what is the minimum grade requirement?

fiery edge
#

I'm not sure in terms of A-levels, but I think you should be eligible to apply to uni with a german Note of 1-4.0(?)

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Someone correct me there

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I got around 2 (German Note) myself and my A-level grades weren't that great

pine rampart
#

Oh I see

alpine hollow
#

grades shouldn't matter for most EU countries

fiery edge
#

As long as u pass you should be fine

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I'd say D+

alpine hollow
#

unless it has an NC like medicine lel

raven quail
#

but don't unis like TUM have certain requirements?

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i imagine there might be a lot of competition there

alpine hollow
#

unis don't

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the field you apply to can

raven quail
#

CS

fleet pelican
#

physics in general? 👀

fiery edge
#

I think it's ohne Einschränkungen for most places

alpine hollow
#

physics doesn't

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cs doesn't

pine rampart
#

I heard they only select 80 students out of 500 in studienkolleg

alpine hollow
#

for at least most unis

fleet pelican
#

ANYWHERE?

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YEET

alpine hollow
#

mhh

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i think i have heard of one uni with NC for physics

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but forgot which

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but normally an NC is not needed

raven quail
#

interesting I thought CS in TUM would've had demanding admission requirements

alpine hollow
#

since physics is pretty hard

raven quail
#

i'm not considering bachelors in germany so i'm not very educated

fiery edge
#

@pine rampart it depends where you apply to for Studienkolleg. But tbh unless u fail, I THINK you won't need to do Studienkolleg

raven quail
#

about the requirements

alpine hollow
#

eh, we don't really care about admission quality

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we care about people finishing

fiery edge
#

Then uni admission just depends on your German level

foggy prism
#

tja offenbar haben sich meine studiengebühren grad erhöht

alpine hollow
#

rip sascha

foggy prism
#

jetzt sinds 300 mehr

alpine hollow
#

wtf?

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ich wollt grad sagen, bestimmt nur inflation und es sind so 20

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aber 300?!

fiery edge
#

Wtf um 50% erhöht

foggy prism
#

ursprünglich wollten sies um 500 erhöhen

pine rampart
#

That sounds convincing

foggy prism
#

also verdoppeln

alpine hollow
#

nur in zürich?

pine rampart
#

I need to get more better at german

foggy prism
#

ETH und EPFL

alpine hollow
#

welcher grund?

fiery edge
#

Yeah since you're done with your boards, just hope for the best and focus on German

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But for Studienkolleg, if you still consider it. Idk where that 80/500 is, but note that there are so many places you can do it at, youre not limited to that one place. many unis offer it, apart from unis there are other institutions too

foggy prism
#

ah wart es ist jährlich

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nicht pro semester

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die aussage ist, dass wegen der steigenden anzahl studenten pro jahr die infrastruktur ausgebaut werden müsse etc etc

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nichts konkretes

#

einfach halt dass die mittel knapp seien

#

Die zusätzlichen Einnahmen aus der Erhöhung der Studiengebühren investieren die beiden ETH mehrheitlich in die Lehre. Damit kann das hochstehende Unterrichtsniveau weiter verbessert werden. Die Schweizer Wirtschaft zeigt einen grossen Bedarf an Absolventinnen und Absolventen der Ingenieur- und Naturwissenschaften. In den letzten zehn Jahren stiegen die Studierendenzahlen an den beiden ETH um rund 60 Prozent und damit weit stärker als die in den ETH-Bereich investierten Mittel des Bundes. Das ist zwar positiv zu bewerten, stellt die beiden Hochschulen aber vor grosse Herausforderungen. Damit ein gutes Betreuungsverhältnis gewährleistet und die erforderliche Infrastruktur bereitgestellt werden kann, sind in Zeiten knapper werdender finanzieller Ressourcen und nach wie vor zunehmender Studierendenzahlen zusätzliche Mittel im ETH-Bereich unverzichtbar. Zugleich unternehmen die beiden Hochschulen weiterhin grosse Anstrengungen, um die Lehre zu optimieren und Innovationen in die Ausbildung einfliessen zu lassen, wie z.B. Online­kurse, MOOCs und «Flipped Classrooms».

alpine hollow
#

oof

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aber 500 im jahr geht ja noch

raven quail
#

I imagine master's degree admissions are not as easy as bachelor's though, right?

alpine hollow
#

they are pretty much the same

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pass the requirements and you are done

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well, the requirements are more difficult tho

raven quail
#

do they only want your transcript or also check your thesis, internships etc

alpine hollow
#

they want a valid degree in your field

raven quail
#

no minimum GPA?

alpine hollow
#

usually no

fiery edge
#

Doch

raven quail
#

that's relieving to hear lol

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i still think some unis might have tougher admission rules though

fiery edge
#

A friend of mine couldn't join a master's program here because his GPA wasn't good enough

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But I guess it depends on the program/uni

alpine hollow
#

that's why i said usually no

fiery edge
#

Instead he was offered admission at a higher semester for the bachelor's degree of the same program

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But I think he was accepted elsewhere for master's

alpine hollow
#

that seems weird

fiery edge
#

Don't talk to him anymore

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So i think it does depend on the uni yes

alpine hollow
#

usually there's only an NC if more people apply than there are slots

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if there are fewer people applying, it doesn't matter

fiery edge
#

Oh maybe it was full then ?

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Idk the details 😅

alpine hollow
#

for example my master's program has 60 slots per semester

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and it didn't get filled

fiery edge
#

I'd trust you on it though,being a native

alpine hollow
#

so they took anyone applying who fulfilled the requirement

#

it can be different for some others

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but that's what i have heard about some

fiery edge
#

How long does home delivery normally take in De?

#

Essen bestellen

foggy prism
#

for masters assumign germany works like switzerland, ti’ll be like, just pass your bachelors and you can go to the “normal” masters, but there may be special requirements for specialized/niche ones

tight kelp
#

well it depends where the place is compared to your location, if you're near a town centre or far away, whether there's lots of traffic... I don't see what would change on a country basis

fiery edge
#

What are some good design schools unterm Dach?

#

I'll Google it obv but just want to know if you guys know any just by reputation

pale saddle
#

sry, not that i heard og

exotic barn
#

@fiery edge Bauhaus and maybe some in Berlin?

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Like UdK

whole pecan
#

Udk?

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Ich weiß nur Bauhaus lol

exotic barn
#

Universität der Künste in Berlin

fiery edge
#

Thanks I've checked them out already

#

I have another question: is it possible for a foreign student doing their bachelor's to transfer their credits and start studying here? Either from the same semester back home or maybe 1 lower

#

Is it possible in general?

whole pecan
#

Das sollte möglich sein

fiery edge
#

Klingt logisch ja? Es gibt aber Länder wo das nicht möglich ist

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Deswegen Frage ich

whole pecan
#

Mindestens in Amerika

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Weiß ich nicht für andere Länder

#

Woher kommst du?

fiery edge
#

Aus Indien. Ich wohne und studiere aber in DE😅

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Innerhalb Indiens ist leider kein "Transfer" möglich

#

Ich Frage für nen Freund

tight kelp
#

within european universities it's generally possible, since the credit system is in common

fiery edge
#

But not sure about internationally yea?

tight kelp
#

i'd say it depends on the target university

fiery edge
#

My friend was gonna write to the unis but is just waiting on a Couple of things first

#

So just wanted to know what it's generally like here before he does that

tight kelp
#

if it's not explicitly disallowed by law in the target country, the university probably has the last say as to whether they'll allow it and if so how to equate the credits to their own ones

foggy prism
#

it may be possible but it’ll depend a lot on the universities and courses involved

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in the end the only way to know is to talk directly to the target uni

fiery edge
#

Yeah that was the plan anyway 😅 thanks

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Do you know any good design school in Switzerland? @foggy prism

foggy prism
#

no

fiery edge
#

Aite

alpine hollow
#

you will never be able to transfer all credits tho

fiery edge
#

I think that should be fine

alpine hollow
#

as a baseline always expect to start at zero

polar valley
#

@fiery edge I think I'm in the same boat as you. You should also look into Weißensee Kunsthochschule

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does anyone here go to UdK or weißensee?

whole pecan
#

Are prepaid SIM cards with data sold at Köln/Bonn Flughafen?

#

They should be but I wanted to make sure

rain panther
#

For sure

#

But in germany you need to register your SIM card online

#

So you got to send them a picture from your ID

#

And join a video call to register a card

#

New rules cuz of the refugees

whole pecan
#

Also I heard there was a „youth hotspots“ app that finds free WiFi, but for some reason I can’t find it on the play store

rain panther
#

Cant help you with that sadly...how long are you staying in germany

fiery edge
#

@whole pecan look for an APK instead

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If android

whole pecan
#

Two weeks, but I need Internet to use the transportation app

#

Ok I found the apk thanks

vivid spade
#

Is it true that the Bundesliga is not really that popular in Germany?

rain panther
#

No

red phoenix
#

No

#

We're the league with the highest average ticket sales

fiery edge
#

Okay I deleted my question earlier because it seemed really stupid

#

But I'll ask again: do all foreign embassies in Germany have German speakers?

#

Because I went on one website but there was no option for German language

#

So now I have my doubts 😅

whole pecan
#

Is putlocker illegal in Germany?

foggy prism
#

its never the uploading sites themselves that are illegal

#

but the content you up- or download

whole pecan
#

What if I just stream

#

Is that downloading?

alpine hollow
#

streaming is pretty much in all cases fine

#

unless you are the one uploading

foggy prism
#

streaming is downloading, pretty much

winged quiver
#

^that helps me understand thing so much more

foggy prism
#

I mean it’s not the same process as downloading

#

but you’re still downloading the data

#

temporarily

#

you’re just not storing it

tight kelp
#

is it the same from a legal standpoint though?

whole pecan
#

Are there day-trip/weekly unlimited trip tickets for the S-Bahn or buses?

#

Or are there cashless alternatives like CharlieCards in Boston or octopus/Oyster cards in hk/uk

normal elm
#

You can usually buy a day-trip ticket which allows you to take as many buses, trams and trains etc in that specific city/region as possible, but I don't think I've seen weekly tickets, at least not in my region. Only monthly ones.

whole pecan
#

I see thx

rain panther
#

Yup i saw weekly tickets

#

There is an option 'zeit' tickets so you can choose daily/weekly/monthly etc

whole pecan
#

So if I buy a weekly ticket in Köln, can I only use it in Köln s-bahns, or can I use it in other cities‘ too

#

It should only be within Köln right?

rain panther
#

Hmm you can buy a ticket from Köln for another city

#

So you can use it for all places inbetween

whole pecan
#

Also I need a kundenkart first:/

rain panther
#

Brauchst du nicht lol

whole pecan
#

Oh the card shows the area I can use it in

rain panther
#

Wait ill show you a picture in a sec

tight kelp
#

there are various railway companies in Germany even within the same Bundesland. Usually they allow you to travel within their area and those that allow you further, if at all available, cost extra.

rain panther
#

I cant find the picture but they got something called waben

foggy prism
#

does germany not have a “day pass for all public transport” thing?

#

that’s like valid everywhere

rain panther
#

Yes

foggy prism
#

yes it does or yes it doens’t

rain panther
#

How you mean everywhere

foggy prism
#

in the entire country

#

in every city, on every bus, train or boat

#

(maybe not boat)

rain panther
#

Idk never heard of it

foggy prism
#

like switzerland has a bunch of regional companies too

#

but you can buy a Tageskarte

#

and that’s just the entirety of switzerland

#

in fact I don’t think there’s such a thing as local tageskarten here

#

at least not where I live

#

there are for the various tram nets I guess

rain panther
#

Here they got tageskarten and you can drive in certain areas

#

In germany

foggy prism
#

does germany not have federal railways of some sort?

#

like I assumed Deutsche Bahn would be the pan-german train company

bronze garnet
#

its not the same anymore

#

Good Morning , Guten Morgen

#

apologies if i interupted your chat

foggy prism
#

so if you buy a ticket from DB it’s not valid on other companies’ lines?

rain panther
#

It is valif

#

D

bronze garnet
#

@foggy prism it is

rain panther
#

But you cant go from münchen to hamburg haha

foggy prism
#

and does DB have day-fare tickets?

#

But you cant go from münchen to hamburg
how so? there’s a train from my town to hamburg :P

rain panther
#

Maybe never searched for those tickets

foggy prism
#

and that’s farther than münchen

rain panther
#

Not what i meant

#

Wait i got you wrong lol nvm

bronze garnet
#

@foggy prism if you book in advance you can get cheap tickets

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like munich to hamburg for 29 euros

foggy prism
#

cheap tickets is in no way what I was asking about

bronze garnet
#

yes you mean can one travel via different train providers using DB ticket

foggy prism
#

I’m asking if there’s no such thing as a ticket where you can, for the entire day/week/month/year hop onto any public transport ever

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as long as you stay within the country

bronze garnet
#

Yes there is an annual pass i think worth 6 grands where one can use that in whole of Germany

foggy prism
#

hm so at least you have that

#

costs 3 times as much as here, but that makes sense

#

germany is a bit bigger

#

^^

bronze garnet
#

i think with that 6 grands one can also travel with ICE

#

first class is 10 grands

#

and there is a day ticket for whole of Germany as well but I am not sure if one can travel on ICE with that ticket

foggy prism
#

why is ice special?

bronze garnet
#

Iter Cuty Express

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City*

rain panther
#

Inter city express

bronze garnet
#

fast train

foggy prism
#

no I know what they are

#

why are they special

rain panther
#

Cost more and got restaurants

foggy prism
#

the ones that go to switzerland operate like normal trains here

#

e.g. 18:07 every day there’s an ICE going Zürich-Chur instead of a regular swiss IC

#

same price, same line, same speed

#

(it’s the last segment on the Hamburg-Chur line)

bronze garnet
#

I think swiss trains are more expensive?

foggy prism
#

maybe? all our IC have restaurants; I think the IR too actually

#

here you only pay for the line

#

not for which trains you take

#

whether I go Zürich-Chur with the IC (fast, comfy) or the IR (slow, stops everywhere, is a pain) costs the same

#

and as long as I stuck to the regular line I could also take several S-Bahnen in a chain or sth

#

with changing trains

#

but if I made a detour I’d have to pay more

bronze garnet
#

@foggy prism how much is one day pass (unlimited travel) whole of Swiss

foggy prism
#

2nd class 75 Francs and apparently you need to have a half-fare ticket for it to be valid

#

but everyone has that

#

cause it’s just a good deal

#

that’s 65 euro

bronze garnet
#

yup 58 pounds

#

thats well worth it

foggy prism
#

assuming you already have a half-fare ticket then iirc Zürich-Chur (abotu 1h15) costs 22 Francs

#

for a single ticket

#

lemme check sth more extreme

bronze garnet
#

thats much cheaper than here

#

here trains are not thta great

#

toilets hardly work

#

and cost a fortune

foggy prism
#

chur-geneva, about 4h of travel, costs 56 francs for half-fare, 2nd class

#

one-way

bronze garnet
#

amazing

#

4 hours travel from London may cost above 60 pounds same day ticket you are looking at 200 pounds plus

foggy prism
#

yea isn’t travelling in england like… only do it at 2am cause then you can actually afford it

bronze garnet
#

not really

#

one can get cheap tickets but if youre lucky

#

i got network rail card gives me 30 percent off travel but there are some terms and conditions

foggy prism
#

I was in england only for a very short time and didn’t stray far from london (was at a conference a bit south of london, maybe 30 minutes by night train from whichever airport I landed)

#

I don’t remember that being very expensive

#

but I do remember that being annoying

#

cause every stop

#

the train lady

#

would say

#

the same thing

#

over and over

#

again

#

and again

#

listing every stop

#

that’s to come

bronze garnet
#

yes i will second this

#

LOL

foggy prism
#

trains here will at best give a little greeting jingle and announce the next stop

bronze garnet
#

unfortunately trains are not very clean too

foggy prism
#

you’re supposed to be smart enough to be on the right train

bronze garnet
#

but we are better than french metro

#

that stinks

foggy prism
#

I need to study now though

#

bye

bronze garnet
#

Ciao

#

Study like a Rock

rain panther
#

Perfect for your trip

#

If you are 20 or younger lol

whole pecan
#

Oh

#

So are there any tourist passes for public transportation

#

Or are there only day-passes

rain panther
#

Im not in nrw but i can check at my bahnhof where i live

#

So if its here must be there too lol

whole pecan
#

Is that true?

#

Aren’t there different train companies?

exotic barn
#

a question for EU citizens studying Studienkolleg or a preparatory language course in Germany:
where are you from and did your country cover your insurance?

alpine hollow
#

ask your insurer

#

is the easiest way for you to get info

bronze garnet
#

@exotic barn I believe EHIC card will be accepted for emergency treatment but not for casual checks

#

hope this helps

exotic barn
#

i just went there and there are complication so i wanted to see how it is in other countries

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@bronze garnet i wanted to know if you had to pay for the insurance or if the country covers it (its free for students but apparently not for all cases here in czechia)

alpine hollow
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mhh

exotic barn
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"mhh"? 👀

alpine hollow
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looks like you have to get a private insurance during Studienkolleg

bronze garnet
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@exotic barn you qould have to pary

alpine hollow
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since it doesn't count as studying

bronze garnet
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pay*

alpine hollow
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once you are a proper student your foreign insurer can work again

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or you get a german insurance

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you probably can ask your future uni for help for a suitable insurance during Studienkolleg

bronze garnet
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Btw Lutschi is a bad word in Punjabi language ( one of the indian languages)

alpine hollow
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mhh, it could also work if you take an extra insurance for outside czechia, if they offer it, but not sure on the limits on it

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i don't think i could take an "auslandsverischerung" for one year with my insurer

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you better be prepared to get a private insurance for the time during Studienkolleg

exotic barn
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looks like ill have to get an insurance for people with no income

alpine hollow
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try asking your uni what insurance they can recommend for you

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so you won't pay too much

exotic barn
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i will but i have to see first if i can get an insurance here

alpine hollow
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would be easier if you were a proper student already :(

exotic barn
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yeah, i wish i could be :<

alpine hollow
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I've seen some private insurance for studienkolleg time for about 30€ per month

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not sure if they are good tho

bronze garnet
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@alpine hollow do you know websites to compare private insurance? or check24 is the only one?

exotic barn
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well, i just need some insurance, i rarely get sick

sick imp
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Just don't get sick at all and you won't need insurance.

exotic barn
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I will, they won’t let me study without it

vivid spade
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How well do germans understand each other's dialects as well as swiss german and austrian german

viral geyser
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Depends on the dialect. Swiss German is harder than Austrian German is harder than Saxon.

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In my opinion.

vivid spade
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In an interview setting

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would it work out

foggy prism
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job interview or newspaper interview?

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in job interviews, swiss german is considered inappropriate

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here in switzerland

viral geyser
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Almost everyone speaks Hochdeutsch.

foggy prism
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for newspapers it would be translated

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for tv subtitled

vivid spade
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Oh so they just switch to hochdeutsch

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always?

foggy prism
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the situation here in switzerland is that there are quite a few people who are not comfortable speaking standard german btw

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nearly everyone can

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and understanding shouldn’t be a problem for anyone

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but to many it’s clearly a foreign language here

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especially older people I find

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and young children

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but yes in general

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the dialect speaker will accomodate for the non-dialect speaker

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if they can

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and have to

vivid spade
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do you learn the "standard" version as well as your own in school

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like learning german twice

foggy prism
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the dialect is just the native language

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what everyone speaks around you

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and therefore generally the language of best command

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it’s not taught in school in any way

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and generally even forbidden from classrooms

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at least while talking to the teacher

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school is held in standard german but at no point is it properly “taught”

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you’re just expected to have picked it up enough from TV and such that you acn participate

vivid spade
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wow

foggy prism
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I mean I’ve never experienced anyone falling behind because of that who was a native of swiss german already

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but I hate it

vivid spade
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that you have to speak stanard german?

foggy prism
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it’s certainly part of the reason swiss people almost universally dislike standard german

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not quite no

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just the way it’s handled in schools

normal elm
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Swiss German is pretty difficult to understand, at least when you are used to Standard German

foggy prism
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I generally hate primary schools though

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they’re just all shit

normal elm
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Austrian German is alright

foggy prism
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when you say austrian german

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do you mean the “basically standard german with some weak influence” that you hear most commonly these days

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or proper thick accents

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especially on the syntax tab

normal elm
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Well, the only Austrian German I've been exposed to was down in Kärnten, close to the Slovenian border

vivid spade
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So when all the bayern players do interviews, it's all in hochdeutsch

normal elm
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Used to spend my summers there

foggy prism
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I’ve never met someone from there who spoke anything I wouldn’t just call standard german

normal elm
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Alright, weak influence it is then. Though I'd say the older people had a thicker accent

vivid spade
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But isn't it weird that people just know one kind of german after time

foggy prism
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I blame imperialism

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and stuff like that

vivid spade
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more like how it happends

foggy prism
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I mean how it happens is:

  1. Schools teach a unified standard and enforce it in classrooms
  2. The standard is considered more prestigous and some parents may choose to avoid their dialect around their kids cause they buy into the whole prestige bullshit and don’t see the advantages of bilingualism
  3. People move around, forcing communication to be held more commonly in some lingua franca (ie the standard) than in the local language
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3 is probably the most important point for german

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but in some region definitely also 2

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and 1 is just a supporting factor

vivid spade
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ohhh so it's the dialect version you have to pick up

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then it makes a little bit more sense

foggy prism
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not sure what that is supposed to mean

vivid spade
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you said that you are taught standard german in school

foggy prism
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yes

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still don’t know what you mean with “have to pick up”

vivid spade
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if nobody teach you, you just have to "magically understand it" by picking it up by idk living?

foggy prism
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I mean that’s literally how native languages work

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you’re fluent in your native language before going to school

normal elm
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well if everyone outside of school and official stuff speaks that dialect, of course you will pick it up simply by being

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and like sascha said, you will be exposed to it for 5-7 years before even starting school

foggy prism
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you don’t need classes to speak your native languages, most of school is spent on literacy, style and such things

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and not on “how to speak”

vivid spade
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yea but you are not fluent in the dialect of your language across 10 towns

foggy prism
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you aren’t but 10 towns across is likely to not be a big enough difference to impede understanding

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but yea

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if you move there as an adult

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then you’re gonna ahve to

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  1. luck out and see that people there still understand you
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  1. speak the standard
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or 3) learn their dialect

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and 2 is the path of least effort

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so most people go with 2 over 3

exotic barn
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When people move, they often learn a new dialect to fit in

vivid spade
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so now you are saying that you automatically know hochdeutch and your dialect

foggy prism
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I mean you basically do if you go to school

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and grow up in an area where there’s a dialect spoken by parents and/or peers

normal elm
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you are acting like standard german and the dialect are wildly different languages

foggy prism
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tbh it works even if they were

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school would have to be structured a bit differently

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but for all intents and purposes we can lay out the following two things:

vivid spade
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thats why i started the question by asking if germans understood their dialects well

foggy prism
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  1. if you didn’t move around as a child, you’ll be fluent in your dialect by the time you enter school, probably even so if you did move and your parents speak it
  2. by the time you complete school, you’re fluent in standard german
normal elm
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well, of course you will have a base understanding of all the dialects, since the dialects are just variations of the standard

foggy prism
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the problem then is merely

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since the dialects are just variations of the standard
hey now swiss german diverged away since the times of middle high german or earlier

normal elm
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the only difference is pronunciation and use of unique words/changing of certain words that exist in standard

foggy prism
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that’s way before the standard was established

vivid spade
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if there was no problem, why would everyone have to learn hochdeutsch

foggy prism
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that’s a good question and I believe it would work fine if no one did

vivid spade
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interesting

foggy prism
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the reality is merely that they do

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and because they do they don’t spend time learning to understand other dialects

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and thus are bad at it

exotic barn
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To make it easier for us learners mmlol

normal elm
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it's easier if everyone learns one standardised form of a language, rather than all people having to learn all the accents to understand everything 100% imo

foggy prism
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it certainly is easier

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but I don0t think it is strictly necessary

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however, without it I doubt I could readily communicate with someone from northern germany

vivid spade
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but now you are admitting that the dialects are so different it's almost like another language

foggy prism
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I could go maybe halfway across germany

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look

vivid spade
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this is a little confusing

foggy prism
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there’s a continuum

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it’s a big area

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you can go several hundred kilometers without problems

normal elm
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I mean yeah, see, I am from Niedersachsen

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And I think I'd have quite a problem understanding Swiss German

foggy prism
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if you’re somewhere in the middle you might understand everyone

normal elm
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Probably

foggy prism
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with maybe a few hours of practice

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if you’re at one end of the spectrum however

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it’s gonna be hard to understand people from the other end

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I can’t understand platt

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and I doubt a native speaker of platt can understand me

normal elm
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I can barely understand that either despite being Northern though 😅

foggy prism
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(platt: northernmost dialects; low german)

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(me: swiss german; about as south as it gets; high german)

normal elm
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swiss german is not high german

foggy prism
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high in the dialect classification scheme, not as in standard

normal elm
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alright alright

eager jewel
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We have a lot of low German in my area.

foggy prism
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I speak 31

normal elm
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i was gonna protest lol

foggy prism
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“High” is, iirc, Central + Upper

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so everything brown-red-orange-ish

normal elm
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i've never seen high german being used in this context

foggy prism
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all the Upper dialects are pretty readily mutually intelligible with a bit of practice

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The High German languages are marked by the High German consonant shift, separating them from Low German and Low Franconian (Dutch) within the continental West Germanic dialect continuum.

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it’s all the dialects where you have stuff like Zeit instead of Tide

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or das instead of dat

normal elm
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i mean

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we don't use tide or dat

foggy prism
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where do you live?

normal elm
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hannover, the city that apparently has the purest form of standard german

foggy prism
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then I doubt you actually speak the local dialect :P

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aren’t dialects basically extinct in that area

normal elm
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there is no local dialect since our local dialect = standard german

foggy prism
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like the traditional dialects

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yea exactly

normal elm
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no one speaks actual dialects here anymore

foggy prism
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standard german is a high german “dialect”

normal elm
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🤔

vivid spade
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is it also true that it's negative if you can't speak hochdeutsch

foggy prism
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As a technical term, the "high" in High German is a geographical reference to the group of dialects that forms "High German" (i.e. "Highland" German), out of which developed Standard German, Yiddish and Luxembourgish.

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it is very bad

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you won’t get a job

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basically

vivid spade
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ok very strict then

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tbh that sounds over the top brutal

foggy prism
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but the only way you’ll manage that is if you skipped the entirety of school somehow

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no I mean it’s just that the ability to speak standard german, and thus be literate

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is one of the most basic things you’ll get from school

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even if you sleep through everything else

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a basic command over standard german is expected to pass any sort of schooling

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so if you don’t speak it you weren’t in school

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and since not going to school is illegal…

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well what were you doing during your youth?

tidal compass
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א געזונטן גיט מען, און אַ קראַנקן פֿרעגט מען

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Die Kranken fragt man, den Gesunden gibt man. (auf jiddisch)

foggy prism
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schade kann ich die Hebräische Schrift nicht lernen

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ich hatte es schon lange mal vor, damit ich Yiddisch lesen kann wenn ich's sehe

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aber hab mir nie die Mühe gemacht es zu lernen

tidal compass
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wenn man sich quälen will dann soll man Hebräisch oder Arabisch lernen.

tidal compass
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Wer reitet so spät durch Nacht und Wind?
Es ist der Vater mit seinem Kind;
Er hat den Knaben wohl in dem Arm,
Er faßt ihn sicher, er hält ihn warm.

Mein Sohn, was birgst du so bang dein Gesicht? -
Siehst Vater, du den Erlkönig nicht?
Den Erlenkönig mit Kron und Schweif? -
Mein Sohn, es ist ein Nebelstreif. -

»Du liebes Kind, komm, geh mit mir!
Gar schöne Spiele spiel ich mit dir;
Manch bunte Blumen sind an dem Strand,
Meine Mutter hat manch gülden Gewand.«

Mein Vater, mein Vater, und hörest du nicht,
Was Erlenkönig mir leise verspricht? -
Sei ruhig, bleibe ruhig, mein Kind;
In dürren Blättern säuselt der Wind. -

»Willst, feiner Knabe, du mit mir gehn?
Meine Töchter sollen dich warten schön;
Meine Töchter führen den nächtlichen Reihn
Und wiegen und tanzen und singen dich ein.«

Mein Vater, mein Vater, und siehst du nicht dort
Erlkönigs Töchter am düstern Ort? -
Mein Sohn, mein Sohn, ich seh es genau:
Es scheinen die alten Weiden so grau. -

»Ich liebe dich, mich reizt deine schöne Gestalt;
Und bist du nicht willig, so brauch ich Gewalt.«
Mein Vater, mein Vater, jetzt faßt er mich an!
Erlkönig hat mir ein Leids getan! -

Dem Vater grauset's, er reitet geschwind,
Er hält in den Armen das ächzende Kind,
Erreicht den Hof mit Mühe und Not;
In seinen Armen das Kind war tot.

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The feels 😦

foggy prism
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ach ja der Erlkönig

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da gibt‘s viele gute renditionen von

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eins von meinen Lieblingsgedichten aber ich glaub ich mag Poe’s Raven lieber

tidal compass
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zeig mir mal einer seiner Gedichte

foggy prism
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ne ne ich meinte The Raven

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von Poe

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das lange

tidal compass
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ohhhhh

foggy prism
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einfach auch wegen der Grafik

tidal compass
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Ja XD

normal elm
foggy prism
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wir mussten in der 6. den Zauberlehrling auswendig lernen

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ich mochte es

fallen roost
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Idk if anyone remembers me, but I'm finally in Germany, taking a C1 course, and have had my application sent through uni-assist 😃 very relieved. Has anybody here applied to uni marburg (bachelor program through uni assist)? I want to figure out how long I should expect to wait for a response from the University now that my application has been forwarded. If it helps, I applied for bsc in informatik. Can't find this info anywhere online, and thought I could try to ask here

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Trying to get my residency application through as soon as possible. Should i respect a response within three weeks?

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(from the uni)

fiery edge
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Don't know how it is specifically with that uni, but it shouldn't take long to get a response once uni-assist already forwarded it. Got some replies within a few day. Max couple weeks. Within 3 weeks is definitely possible. Though I guess it does depend on how many applications they receive too

fallen roost
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Yeah, that makes sense-- thanks

fiery edge
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Question regarding Mülltrennung

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I just received a packet that's paper on the outside, but lined with bubble wrap on the inside

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Does that go in the yellow bags?

foggy prism
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idk what a yellow bag is but unless you can take off the wrap, put it in the general trash

normal elm
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i usually trip to rip out the lining and then the plastic goes into yellow

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but if i can't rip it out, i'd still throw it in the yellow bag

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because it's arguably more plastic imo

foggy prism
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ah you have distinct "general plastic" stuff?

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we usually sort only like... biodegradable/PET/glass/alu/other