archived-culture-study-visa

[exotic barn]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatkopie

[tight kelp]

why is p2p not allowed if downloading from youtube is?

assuming both are for personal use and blahblah

[exotic barn]

theyre licenced differently afaik

[sand lotus]

https://puu.sh/Aitpx/8e46fb319f.png

english of 53 UrhG

[alpine hollow]

cause if you are using p2p

you are uploading

and that counts as sharing

[exotic barn]

what if someone downloads stuff from the torrents while having outgoing connections blocked or just setting upload speed to 0? technically someone isnt sharing anything

[civic sail]

Is it technically possible to stay in Cologne, but go to a university in Berlin, for example?

[alpine hollow]

yes

not sure why you would

but sure

[civic sail]

hmm okay.

[noble adder]

kind of an offtopic question: is having/using a dashcam illegal in germany and austria? thanks

[alpine hollow]

eh it's kinda a greyzone

cause you aren't allowed to record people without their permission

[noble adder]

because my family often goes on a vacation to italy, and we often drive from czech republic through münchen and then brennero. we have a dashcam in the car, but we always turn it off, just in case

[alpine hollow]

when things happen you probably won't be able to use the footage

[noble adder]

but you know, shit happens, it'd be better to have footage to defend yourself in court for example

ahh

i see

[modest crypt]

Hey guys

Just got to know about GEMA and how it ruins online entertainment

Can anyone elaborate? I know that a lot of vids on YouTube are blocked because of this

How bad does it affect our online entertainment actually?

[cold aspen]

They were. They aren't anymore as far as I know. I haven't come across a video I wasn't able to see because of this for months and I watch youtube on a daily basis

But it was very serious back then of course

[modest crypt]

Did they remove it recently?

[fleet pelican]

why did it change

[exotic barn]

YT and Gema came to an agreement

In 2016

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=4446f517-d42c-4ccd-8d15-8f67c2b70f4e

[modest crypt]

Oh I see

But GEMA does still exist?

[alpine hollow]

yes

[modest crypt]

It doesn't affect music services like Spotify does it?

[exotic barn]

what do you mean by that?

[fleet pelican]

does it block music on spotify how it blocked it on youtube

[alpine hollow]

no

[tight kelp]

spotify's material isn't uploaded there by the users is it

[exotic barn]

no

[tight kelp]

then of course there wouldn't be any problem. They put stuff on there based on deals they have with the producers

[modest crypt]

Ah that's a relief

Anything else important I should know about GEMA?

[alpine hollow]

not really

[modest crypt]

Aight, thanks

[winged quiver]

Wie übersetzt man 'Leben unter dem Dach?' Ich würde Live under roof sagen, doch ich glaube dass das ein Idiom ist 😃

[rose cedar]

Wortwörtlich "Life under the roof" aber DACH steht für Deutschland, Österreich, Schweiz (DE, AT, CH)

[winged quiver]

OH

also, es wird life in german, austria, and switzerland

[rose cedar]

yeah

[sullen robin]

@winged quiver it's a word play

[lucid valve]

0x1

Quoted by Pferd

What does the channel name stand for?

Jan 12, 2018, 2:51 PM

[scarlet trail]

Zum Glück lebe ich unterm Dach...

es regnet nämlich grad

[tacit briar]

Das ist schon ziemlich gut. Nun krieg dir mal noch einen Boden 😉

[scarlet trail]

Ich arbeite daran :D

[alpine hollow]

since there was the topic of dashcams recently

apparently it's changing now

http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/dashcam-urteil-101.html

[warped atlas]

I've recently dived deeper into negotiating the Bruttogehalt that I'm supposed to be receiving as an Einsteiger, and I know that it depends on the branch of the industry and the amount of employees they have, but I'm settling on a ball park figure of 45000 (48000 if it's a bigger company) before negotiating downwards from there.

or upwards, but I'm not holding my breath for that

anyway, I see that for companies that have a Tarifvertrag, they'd have the IG-Metall Abkommen, and they usually have your salary settled and you usually have a pretty okay deal.

my question is, if it's not a company that's not on Tarifvertrag, is there any calculations that can justify the figure that I'm supposed to be receiving? I heard from some folks, that IG-Metall has the calculation of:
IG Metall NRW untuk Ingenieur Stufe 12-14. Entgelt: (12 Monat + 0,55 Weihnachtsgeld + 0,7 Urlaubsgeld + 0,295 Zusatzgeld) x Leistungszulage (z.B. NRW 10%)

So, in reference to what IG-Metall had done, if I were to go to a private company, would that 45000 equals to the calculation of the 12 Monat + Weihnachtsgeld + etc etc.?

[alpine hollow]

no

[brisk lotus]

is it legal in Germany for the police to go undercover as a drug dealer ?

@alpine hollow

since you're the drugs expert xD

[lament pivot]

Well we can go undercover in Germany, well the cops, but I am not sure as a drug dealer... tbh

[alpine hollow]

they can't sell drugs

but they can go undercover

they can trick people buying

but aren't allowed to actually sell

[brisk lotus]

@alpine hollow how trick into buying ?

[sick imp]

Yo kids, I am one of the drug dealing drug dealers. Wanna buy some of the marijuanas? But it's actually just a syringe of saline. The kids will never know and as they attempt to inject the marijuanas in their bloodstream the officer arrests them. Checkmate drug users.

[brisk lotus]

but that's getting undercover

it doesn't make sense, because you are making people commit a criminal they might otherwise not commit

[sick imp]

How else are you gonna arrest filthy criminal scum? Put a bag containing 500 000€ on the street, arrest everyone who touches it.

[brisk lotus]

lol it's not how it works with drugs, you can't get kids hooked and then arrest them

you don't arrest people because they might be scum, you arrest them for commiting a crime

[sick imp]

Well not with that attitude. Jails would be empty if we didn't arrest criminal scum. 🙄

[brisk lotus]

criminal scum who commit crimes, I'm talking about drug usage which doesn't lead you to jail

I know in some countries it's illegal

not sure in Germany

[sick imp]

Another popular method is looking for drivers that are a few km/h over the speed limit. An undercover officer then throws themselves under the vehicle and his colleague, who just happens to be at the right place at the right time, arrests the criminal scum. 👌

[brisk lotus]

When you're over a limit and putting other people's lives in danger then you have to get arrested

but if someone tempts you to buy weed just to arrest you then that's counterproductive

not efficient at all to control drug usage and Germany is efficient so I guess it doesn't happen here

[sick imp]

Oh you should see what happens at unis. Undercover police officers go into exams and try to help students cheat. The criminal scum that accepts help gets expelled and arrested.

[brisk lotus]

lmao

in Vienna ?

[sick imp]

Yep. Know a few great lads who went to jail because they wanted an answer to that one question they didn't know. 😔

[brisk lotus]

that's sad

[whole pecan]

Gibt es gute Unis/Arbeit für Computerstudieren im Deutschland?

[alpine hollow]

you don't get kids hooked

you pretend to sell

also you don't target kids rofl

you target the drug dealers

[brisk lotus]

That's why I'm asking, because posing as a drug dealer would be to get other people arrested

unlike going undercover as a customer to bust the dealers

[tight kelp]

say you pose as a dealer, perhaps with fake customers which are other undercover policemen. Then a dealer in your area may get nervous about their territory and confront you, whereby you're likely to get enough proof to arrest him

you can't do that as a customer

but there's really no sense in arresting customers

[brisk lotus]

lol cool story xD

[tawdry ermine]

what dialect uses Prussian vocabulary? or what dialects have been mainly influenced by Old Prussian?

[exotic barn]

is there military service in Germany?
i mean like in Israel or Russia

[red phoenix]

Not anymore

[alpine hollow]

@silent pilot mach mal

[silent pilot]

war zwar nicht ich, aber ist weg ^^

[alpine hollow]

du kannst danke trotzdem ausrichten :o

[crude thicket]

Hey, I'm moving to germany in a few weeks for work, but I'm wondering about finding groups for language exchange there (I find myself more comfortable learning through those), where should I look to find those sort of things? moving to Hamburg

[exotic barn]

@crude thicket You should try facebook searching for groups, meetup.com, tandem partner websites are popular in Germany too ^.^

[rain panther]

You are my partner @exotic barn

[exotic barn]

👌 Prost zu das!

[crude thicket]

@exotic barn yeah, i was gonna try fb searching for groups and meetup ofc

probably wont touch tandem since it looks like a dating app lmao

[exotic barn]

@crude thicket 😂 haha they do! Maybe try the 'help in Hamburg' facebook groups too, lots of people post in there for tandem style friendships

[crude thicket]

ill give it a look

have no idea where to look for these groups even so

[exotic barn]

You have no idea where to look for the groups? What do you mean? :p

The facebook groups?

[crude thicket]

yeah

[exotic barn]

Want me to send you a few links? 😃

[quiet idol]

Ich habe mich entschieden, dass ich durch eine zweite Universität gehen möchte - Medizin. Dann kann ich viel leichter bezahlte Praktikums und Studentjobs bekommen und dann kann ich am Ende meine Karriere weiterführen, weil es mit meinem gegenwärtigen Bachelor unmöglich ist.

Weiß jemand, ob es besondere Stipendien für Ausländer gibt? Ich sehe, dass die normalen Stipendien nur nach einigen Semestern nach der Immatrikulation gelten.

(Ich interessiere mich besonders für Raum Wiesbaden - Mainz - Frankfurt - Darmstadt - Hanau - Friedberg)

[crude thicket]

@exotic barn if you dont mind!

[exotic barn]

@crude thicket These seem to be the best facebook ones I found ☺
,Find your tandem Hamburg' https://www.facebook.com/groups/540201869461700/?fref=ts ,Language Tandem Hamburg' https://www.facebook.com/groups/241020819397211/?ref=br_rs
,New in Hamburg' https://www.facebook.com/groups/1603294993274673/?ref=br_rs
,Hamburg language exchange' https://www.facebook.com/groups/357990134591895/?ref=br_rs

[crude thicket]

oh awesome thank you!

[whole pecan]

Is Technische Universität Dortmund a good Uni?

[nova creek]

Ive been there, and as far as I saw it’s a really awesome place.

[nova creek]

And here I have problem finding a job ._.

In Germany

[whole pecan]

Oh cool

What field of work are you in

[tight kelp]

and how long have you been looking?

[exotic barn]

Hat jemand zu Heidelberg gegangen? I'm in the midst of planning my visit and would love some recommendations of cool things to do etc Dankeee

[hidden cloud]

Hey guys, I will be visiting Germany (Münster) during June, but all the Euros I have are in 500€ denominations. How much difficulty will I face when paying for things? Where can I change the notes into smaller denominations?

I was thinking of banks but I believe they charge fees for that

It will be best if I could get notes in lower denominations without going to the bank

[tight kelp]

it would be pretty difficult to pay for things with those. In fact, you barely see 500€ notes in day to day life

Airports always have change services, they may be able to exchange large denomination banknotes into more smaller ones for you

[reef arch]

IIRC the bundesbank should exchange w/o fee

At least they do it for coins

Regarding how much difficulty: You literally can't pay anything with these. Even for 200€ notes it's almost impossible

[tight kelp]

wouldn't a supermarket accept 200€ notes?

[hidden cloud]

I will be entering Münster via train from Amsterdam

Would there be change services at the train stations?

[reef arch]

the one in my village doesn't berzi

[tight kelp]

big train stations might ahve them 🤔

[reef arch]

100€ is the max there

[tight kelp]

well I live in the city, it might be different here

[hidden cloud]

Ahhhh I see

[reef arch]

Details on the bundesbank ("Umwechslung") https://www.bundesbank.de/Navigation/DE/Aufgaben/Bargeld/Dienstleistungsangebot/Fuer_Andere/fuer_andere.html

[tight kelp]

anyway your best bet would be a bank after all. Perhaps ask about the fees before the operation is done and if you're not satisfied you could ask them for alternatives

[reef arch]

here's the list of branches in NRW of the bundesbank: https://www.bundesbank.de/Navigation/DE/Bundesbank/Hauptverwaltung_und_Filialen/NRW/nrw.html

none in münster sadly

[hidden cloud]

Would other banks change the notes? Or only Bundesbank?

[reef arch]

others probably do too

but the bundesbank does it w/o fee

[hidden cloud]

Alright, thank you!!

[stable talon]

I've started getting a few robo calls on my German sim card; I'm not sure how they got my number, but that's not the point. Is there a German equivalent of the US "National Do Not Call Registry?"

I'm not averse to just dropping my current provider and picking up a new sim card with only data next month, but in the rare case I do actually need to make or receive a phone call, it's necessary to have a usable telephone number

[rain panther]

Im getting calls too

[reef arch]

https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Verbraucher/UnerlaubteTelefonwerbung/unerlaubtetelefonwerbung-node.html

are those foreign numbers?

if so then they won't heed such registries anyways

[stable talon]

Looks like at least the one from yesterday is foreign

The format on the two from today is unfamiliar to me as well

[reef arch]

Well you can report them at https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/_tools/RumitelStart/Form07ColdCall/node.html;jsessionid=AA84B8CC0C752FFF77054D24E421A820

[stable talon]

Thanks!

[reef arch]

But it probably won't stop them.

Best course of action is probably just to not accept calls from unknown numbers

[stable talon]

I have yet to pick up

[rain panther]

Korea you are the germanopedia

[reef arch]

I like to report robocalls myself

It's always fun because the fines are up to 300k€

And it's even better when there's a live person on the other end

They hang up really quickly ;)

[stable talon]

I learned a lot about how that kind of thing works during an internship in the US; those phone numbers are easily obtained and then discarded. The whole process moves through third parties and with VOIP shenanigans are easy to hide. I'd be surprised if a majority of the people who attempt phishing via robocalling end up being identified and punished. One can always hope though!

[reef arch]

Well the owner of the number will have to face the consequences :P

Or at least they'll get a clear warning shot

[stable talon]

The middle man probably deserves it too, if they knowingly allow phishers to get their hands on loads of phone numbers

[tight kelp]

I'd be surprised if they'll still manage to get European numbers after gdpr

Excluding those of people who give their consent to everything and then complain

[reef arch]

why would they care

what they do is already illegal

[tight kelp]

no i mean, your data can't be collected anymore unless they ask for your specific consent for every thing they get, so whoever collects and sells them the data is liable of paying up to 10 million €

[reef arch]

unless they're not in the EU

or aren't found

the GDPR aims at legitimate companies

not criminals

[tight kelp]

the gdpr aims at anyone who collects data and operates in europe, it's not enough if they're not based there. They'd have to collect your number somewhere outside the EU or on websites that don't offer services to the eu

also what are you implying with you last line, that if you tell a court "but sir, I'm not a company, I'm a criminal" they'll answer "oh sorry, our mistake" and let you go? xD

[reef arch]

How'd you go on fining a company completely based somewhere where you don't have any jurisdiction?

[tight kelp]

ask the eu, i didn't study the law that in depth ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[reef arch]

answer: they don't

[tight kelp]

then why do you think something like google or other big companies would comply if they're not based in the eu?

[reef arch]

Because they operate business inside the EU

you have leverage on those

Freeze assets etc.

Some robocalling sweatshop in China doesn't have any assets anywhere the EU has any power

Still they might want to market products to the EU

And if they're conducting criminal activity they will try to cover up their tracks

Most important they'll try to cover up they exist in the first place

Google can't do that

[tight kelp]

again, that's not something I have competence or interest in answering. There's probably a lot of stuff both you and I don't know about this or any law or the way the EU enforces it

international law is a thing though

[reef arch]

I highly doubt the EU can use international treaties to enforce the GDPR in other countries. Sanctions would be a measure but I predict there won't be sanctions against countries just because the companies there don't follow EU law (that doesn't apply to them)

If they were companies doing business IN the EU the EU could retaliate by barring them access to the markets

But if they're operating inside let's say China the only border-crossing activity is dialing the number and you can't really stop that

Also the GDPR doesn't force everyone to ask for data they collect, it does include a provision (Art. 6 (1)f) for 'berechtigtes Interesse' which absolves companies from asking if it's for example necessary for doing business

And a phone call advertisement company would need to collect phone numbers for operating

So from the GDPR alone you could argue it's ok

For the concrete example of cold calls it's not, but there are other laws against these which prohibit that

Heck, the resolution even states in the reasons for the resolution (Preamble, Numbered Paragraph 47) Die Verarbeitung personenbezogener Daten zum Zwecke der Direktwerbung kann als eine einem berechtigten Interesse dienende Verarbeitung betrachtet werden.

which specifically says that collecting data for targeted advertising is a reason which might be enough for Art. 6 (1)f to apply

In which case it would be opt-out, not opt-in

[nova creek]

@tight kelp for long time ive been looking for a job... and @whole pecan what do you mean by what kind of field work i am in?

[tight kelp]

well, I imagine he meant exactly what he asked, namely, what is your field? What job are you equipped to do? Some form of technician or professional? IT? Maybe an academic degree?

in my experience anyway, it took me exactly one year (almost to the day, actually) since I came to Germany to find a possible job. I have a statistical sample of two since it happened to both myself and my boyfriend, respectively for an IT/development job and a non-technical one

[tight kelp]

guys can someone help me find good options for an Abo for my boyfriend? VRR seems absolutely incapable of getting their shit together

the app is a mess and simply doesn't work (the only page that works is the homepage, which also says they couldn't manage to abide by the GDPR so they'll delete all user data starting from the 25th and it will be impossible to log into the ticket shop anymore. And this alone sounds like a joke already

plus I've looked at the brochures and whatever I could find about tickets on the internet but there's conflicting information about features and prizes

[alpine hollow]

just go to a service center

[tight kelp]

but some tickets can only be bought online, it says :<

[alpine hollow]

abos are not tickets

[tight kelp]

jein. Some tickets can be bought in abo form from what I gather

[alpine hollow]

just go to the service center

[tight kelp]

aight :<

[nova creek]

@tight kelp thank you for answering, but atm i am learning German and people search only with fluent german skills.

[tacit briar]

@nova creek I guess people here would like to help you with some advice etc. but they're asking which field are you looking for job in. I'm not sure if it can help you, but I know plenty of people with low German skills working here in Germany

[rain panther]

Ausbildung oder uni?

Was ist besser?

In deutschland natürlich

[alpine hollow]

je nach dem was du machen willst

[rain panther]

IT

[alpine hollow]

je nach dem was du damit machen willst

[rain panther]

Viel geld verdienen xD

Ich habe ein angebot für eine ausbildung...

[tight kelp]

@nova creek my boyfriend found a job while speaking at A1-A2 level. If you start with something low hanging you can find a job to stay afloat while you improve your language

[tacit briar]

I found a job while speaking at A2-B1. A colleague from my office found it while not speaking German at all. In both cases, we were living outside Germany at the moment of getting accepted.

[nova creek]

I am trying to find Nebenjob atm, something not that complicated until i start Uni

[exotic barn]

work in a cafe

[sick imp]

Exchange sexual favors for money.

[nova creek]

Pff , and how with B1 level..

[tight kelp]

B1 level shouldn't be a problem for working in a café

[brisk lotus]

@sick imp that doesn't pay well, I've tried..

[finite kelp]

@tacit briar what kind of job was it?

[tacit briar]

embed software development (and not "was", I still work there)

[finite kelp]

that makes sense. i expect for less specialised jobs it might be harder.

i will need to look for a low paid part time job.

[tacit briar]

could be, but the point is, the job is there where there is a marked need for workforce

that sucks for entry level, I know, I was there too

[finite kelp]

of course

[tacit briar]

AFAIK, there's general trend of reduced amount of jobs in low-skilled areas

so there's no much choice except of becoming specialised

[finite kelp]

well, you have to start somewhere. unfortunately that is something of a general problem for the young and people without specialist qualifications even without the language aspect.

[tacit briar]

true

it's especially shitty for students, since they do want to specialise, but they need some way to survive until they reach that goal

[finite kelp]

yes. in some ways qualifications are more a way to reduce the applicant pool than real preparation, as often most relevant learning can be done on the job. but for other jobs they‘re obviously essential. i only have experience of my country though.

[tight kelp]

Germany has the system of ausbildungen, for which there are a reasonable amount of spots every year and provide you with an entry into the workforce

in theory it's there in my own country too but here it actually seems to work

[alpine hollow]

even berzi got one

[tight kelp]

:^)

well it's actually a good point since I don't even have a degree

[tacit briar]

On the other hand, there's a lot of people who apply while being obviously unsuited for job. Sadly, many schools deliver useless workers

I don't have a degree too. It's completely useless in IT

[finite kelp]

apprenticeships are becoming more common here but their quality is highly variable. also the government‘s strategy seems to be a bit contradictory

[alpine hollow]

degrees being useless in IT is a pretty big overstatement

[finite kelp]

for example for some subjects, you can study the same qualification at a university or as an apprentice and for the former you have to take out a loan but for the latter the government will pay and you will work for your employer.

i always thought about self teaching something in web dev or something but i don‘t have the dedication for that right now. it is doable though of course.

[tacit briar]

@alpine hollow that's just my opinion, based on what I saw in life. YMMV

[alpine hollow]

IT is so much more than just software developing

you ain't gonna get a job as system architect or modelling without a degree

(or fucking lotsa years of experience)

[tacit briar]

"or fucking lotsa years of experience" - this. Experience makes you much better suited than a degree

[alpine hollow]

yeah

but you need proportionally more experience

than the time it takes to get a specialized degree

and you need to actually have experience in that specialized field

you ain't gonna start in system architecture

[tacit briar]

but you fit in the role much better if you do so

you end up being much more valuable employee this way

[alpine hollow]

yeah but how are you going to get access to that specialized field

how do you gain experience there

it's not like web dev, sysadmin or stuff like that

that you can teach yourself

[tacit briar]

in my experience, the best architects, leaders or even project managers are former developers, testers etc. They know the matter vertically from their own insight and make better decisions.

[alpine hollow]

also don't forget the differences between what vocational training and academic training offers

(also this is all in relation to germany, not other countries)

[tacit briar]

sure, in the academy you spend years on full time learning, I admit it

but a lot of things are pretty unexplainable theoretically, they can be only learned through experience

[alpine hollow]

there's also a lot of things you don't learn by vocational training

[tacit briar]

academies are great when its about research though

You may always participate in additional courses while at work

or study something in parallel to work

[alpine hollow]

you may also always work while studying

calling a degree useless is pretty pretentious tho

[tacit briar]

yeah, that's also fine, but only if it's a work in the field you're going to work in

[alpine hollow]

considering the different purposes

[tacit briar]

maybe I used harsh words, but I see so many people surprised that their hard earned degree gave them neither job nor money

[alpine hollow]

a lot of people just suck

[tacit briar]

That's why I claim that the degree is per se pretty useless

[alpine hollow]

okay

i'll just stop

[tacit briar]

Well, if you learned something while preparing for the degree, that can be useful

[alpine hollow]

if you go this way

[tacit briar]

But a lot of people did not

[alpine hollow]

everything is per se useless

[tacit briar]

I think you don't get what I mean

[alpine hollow]

it's okay

[tight kelp]

even if the only thing it's good for is making your curriculum less likely to be rejected a priori, then a degree is not useless

it's not representative of someone's abilities by itself, but it's not useless

[tacit briar]

This sounds reasonable, but conflicts with my experience. But maybe I met too less employers to judge that.

[alpine hollow]

it would be nice if you just stopped calling things useless

[tacit briar]

Sure, I can think about nicer wording next time, if that sounds too harsh.

I don't really know. Fell free to guide me into a nicer way to express it. I sometimes suck at explaining my views in a polite way.

[alpine hollow]

it depends on the person

that's it

do the things that are suited to you

things have different purposes

don't discard their purposes just cause you don't like them

[tacit briar]

Hmm, the thing is I don't see any purposes, not only for me. How can I say that without offending people who seem to value the purposes?

[alpine hollow]

"I don't think degrees are worth it for me in IT"

that makes it less of a general statement

and more your opinion

[tacit briar]

hm, maybe

interesting that a single sentence triggers a lot of unrest. Sorry if anybody got offended. I've always sucked in politeness

[tight kelp]

it's kind of predictable whenever strong words are used

[sullen robin]

it's not really politeness, it's more making sweeping comments without clarifying them. I don't totally disagree with your sentiment, since a lot of employers test your skills anyway, which are more important for such jobs

[tight kelp]

in this case you basically said that the work of everyone who is studying or has studied for a degree is useless. That's not a nice thing to hear about oneself

either express it in a more moderate way or in one that is more conditional, rather than generalised

[tacit briar]

You're right, I didn't consider that (but I obviously didn't mean it). I should've given a compact description of my view instead of limiting it to a single word.

[alpine hollow]

it's totally alright to say you don't value degrees in IT because of your experiences so far

[sullen robin]

bad:

berzi is a poo

good:

berzi is a poo because he is made from poo

what are your experiences so far anyway?

[tacit briar]

Heh, right. Since I don't have a degree, maybe I didn't consider how much of their efforts people associate with it

[sullen robin]

that allowed you to arrive on this opinion?

[tacit briar]

For me it's just a piece of paper that may or may be not relevant to what you actually can

[sullen robin]

I think you're concentrating too much on the end result

rather than the journey

[alpine hollow]

and boi german university is a journey

[tacit briar]

But I guess, for you it's kind of the focal point of all your educational efforts

I value learning efforts

[alpine hollow]

wait

how don't you value degrees then

[sullen robin]

those words mean the same

[alpine hollow]

university is pure learning efforts

[tacit briar]

Because I met too many people with an official degree but without essential knowledge

I even saw first hand how it happens (I was at uni for two years) so I'm not really surprised

I value people who actually learned useful stuff. If a degree was for them a way to achieve it, cool

[tight kelp]

i could see those two things not necessarily overlapping tbh

[sullen robin]

it's fair enough that your experiences with such people have formed your opinion on degrees, but you're determining a degree's worth on basically hearsay

[alpine hollow]

hearsay

heresy lol

[sullen robin]

oops

heresy too

[tacit briar]

Look, I know what a degree is meant to be, and I'm sure there're institutions that care about keeping it up to standards

It's just there seems to be too many who do not, to degrade my opinion on this type of qualification

[alpine hollow]

hey look

how different it sounds to "a degree is useless"

but yeah, there are a lot of people going to university just for the heck of it

since it's pretty easy in germany

[sullen robin]

I did that too tbh

since it's free in Scotland

[alpine hollow]

luckily most of them drop out quickly

[sullen robin]

turned out I liked it and was semi-competent at IT

[tacit briar]

yeah, thanks for teaching me on expressing the harsh opinions in a nice way, a man learns throughout his whole life

[sullen robin]

there's a lot of pressure to go to Uni after high school, even if you don't know what you actually want to do, so it makes sense that there's a lot of people who don't really "learn" anything and just go through the motions

[alpine hollow]

also imo

it only gets fun starting with a master's degree anyway

bachelor's in most fields are pretty... meh

[tacit briar]

maybe the problem is also that I spent two years at a uni and I'm still unhappy about that

two years I could've spent on gathering experience in a real job, that's what I think about it

[alpine hollow]

you have to keep in mind

what you experience

is not what other people experience

what is important for you

is not what is important for everyone else

[rain panther]

Well im not going to uni because i dont know what i want haha

[alpine hollow]

everyone has their personal journey

[rain panther]

To study

[tacit briar]

that's right

[finite kelp]

yes, i also didn‘t do anything with my degree, it hasn‘t helped me. none of my jobs have required a degree to even apply. i didn’t get any career advice at school xD

[tacit briar]

it's perfectly fine for me if you enjoy your studies and learn something useful there

[finite kelp]

many people go to university because they can’t get a job in the current market so they want to avoid unemployment. young people are not well equipped to make decisions that might determine their entire future.

[alpine hollow]

there are some fields where it's hard to get a job regardless of your education since it's so competetive

or sparse

[sullen robin]

most people do what they like rather than what has good future job prospects

[alpine hollow]

see maths, physics, chemistry

or social studies, history, philosophy

[sullen robin]

everyone should just do IT

jobs everywhere

[alpine hollow]

that's why most people don't go out with less than a PHD in those fields

[tacit briar]

it all depends on the amount of work that the economy needs in a particular field

[finite kelp]

the availability of retraining is going to be increasingly important in the future as technology hastens obsolescence and people work and live for much longer imo, however culturally we tend to lay the blame at young people for their poor education decisions in early life, imo

[tight kelp]

well tbh programming and some other fields of IT are useful for every other non-IT thing in existence

[sullen robin]

yeah, I agree there

[alpine hollow]

you can always retrain in germany

people just don't like doing it

since you kinda start at "zero" again

[sullen robin]

my gf is basically a HR person and I taught her how to code simple macros for her Excel sheets and saved her hours of time

[tight kelp]

it's like statistics. If you're going into anything that may require you to design or even just read a study of any kind, you can benefit from it

[sullen robin]

imagine if every person just knew a little bit of code

[tacit briar]

this is true, I remember a lot of delusioned people who came to the computer science courses I was at, 20% left within half a year

[finite kelp]

i see, here it is very hard to retrain although they are making it easier

[tight kelp]

they should just teach python in middle school

there, i said it

[sullen robin]

nah bruv, teach c++

I was taught Pascal lol

[alpine hollow]

i learned delphi eheheehehehe

so pascal

yeah

:D

[finite kelp]

the thing is the more widespread those skills are, pay will go down due to the availability of labour and those jobs will be less attractivr

[tacit briar]

I had Pascal at school when I already trained C++ at home xd

[sullen robin]

sure, but I don't see how some fields will ever decrease

unless the economies burst

again

[finite kelp]

good point

[sullen robin]

all I ever hear about IT is that there is never enough people forever

[alpine hollow]

yesh

[tacit briar]

meh, I don't believe it

[alpine hollow]

but

[sullen robin]

and since everything is becoming "online", that'll probably get worse

[alpine hollow]

problematically

companies are getting more "bold" with their job offers

as in formal requirements

[sullen robin]

what do you mean?

[alpine hollow]

there's a lot of bullshit companies write for the requirements for a job :)

[rain panther]

25 years old, 30 yrs of experience and phd

[alpine hollow]

makes you see if it's a "PR" person or an IT person writing it

[tacit briar]

is a job where PR controls job offers really worth it?

[alpine hollow]

tbh not really

[finite kelp]

if you dont have a choice, yes lol

[tacit briar]

oh lol, assuming you do have choice

[finite kelp]

i guess in that field, you probably do to an extent

[tacit briar]

if you don't you're ready to get anything

but I wouldn't like to work in a company that filters the candidates out based on some formal requirements

[alpine hollow]

luckily I always had some it people doing the interviews so far

but i have heard of other stories

[tacit briar]

I really hope the HR-does-interview companies filter me out anyway based on my lack of the degree :D

[whole pecan]

Can anyone tell me the different IT fields?

I want to know more about it

[sturdy frost]

There's support, software engineering, information security, IT management

The list goes on

There's a lot

[hidden cloud]

I'm visiting Germany and I've read that they are strict on bringing meat products into EU. I wish to bring some food gifts from my country...would the following items get rejected at customs?

• Vacuum sealed beef jerky
• Salted egg flavoured potato chips
• Coconut jam (with eggs as an ingredient)

Thank you!

[exotic barn]

Anything dry should be ok i think

My experience is that putting not really dry stuff in the luggage that goes inside the airport (like not with you) is ok too

In the worst case, they will tell you to leave it at the airport (unless it’s some drugs - medical or not) or generally anything illegal

[exotic barn]

@hidden cloud I'm pretty sure you cannot bring any animal origin products from outside the EU into the EU. So, milk, eggs, meat etc ☹

Or potatoes, but I'm not sure if that includes potato chips.. So that might be ok!

[hidden cloud]

Got it! Thanks for all your replies 😊

[exotic barn]

I just read some stuff, and I don't think your'll be allowed to bring in even vacuum sealed meat products unless you're from America, Canada, NZ or Aus.. so, I hope you're from one of those! 😂 @hidden cloud

[exotic barn]

If you're just visiting I think you'll be fine without those for a while😂

[round cliff]

I’m gonna be in Germany studying and working for two months in the summer, any recommendations on what I should/shouldn’t wear so that I fit in/don’t look like a tourist? (20y/o American male) Danke im Voraus!

[exotic barn]

@round cliff Flip-Flops und Socken, immer 👌 Sehr Europäisch 👀😂 Aber, erhlich, solange du kein American Logos trägst, du wirst gut sein. Trage was du willst. Leute sagen dass Sneakers sind nicht so populär in Deutschland, aber ich weiß nicht ob das jetzt wahr ist. 😛

[tight kelp]

bitte 👀

Flip-Flops und Socken sind keine europäische Merkmale

[exotic barn]

😂

[tight kelp]

sondern bestimmt Deutsche

[exotic barn]

Sie sind fanatisch und sehr Euro ja ja ja

😂

just dress like you normally do, no socks in sandals pls 😂

Socks and sandals are for when your shoes give you blisters

[violet hawk]

socks + sandals = german tourist

[tight kelp]

^

[vernal tundra]

socks + sandals = i don't care today 😄

[rose cedar]

socks over sandals = 💦

[tight kelp]

and underwear over trousers

no wait that's more of an American thing

[exotic barn]

Lol

🤣

[vernal tundra]

i don't get it

[whole pecan]

Socks+sandals+digs holes on beach+german flag towel ftfy

[vernal tundra]

German flag towels yessss

Gotta reservieren those Liegen ^^

[compact slate]

Once I translate my highschool graduation document. How do I calculate the marks so I can know whether I can apply to w/e degree I want? Do I have to register to the uni or can I just contact them regarding it?

[rain panther]

Depends where you come from...

[compact slate]

Also do they they every subject into consideration? even those who are specifically related to my country?

Israel

I have a german citizenship though

[sharp fractal]

What is this channel for?

[sick imp]

See channel topic.

Reading #282831147942281216 also doesn't hurt. 😉

[tight kelp]

@compact slate you can always contact them for that, I believe

in fact it may also be the only decisive way to know in advance :D
Although there are a couple websites around to calculate your equivalent German marks depending on where your degree is from

[compact slate]

I think I will just ask them directly, nothing to lose there 😃

[tight kelp]

Guys I got this cheese right here and I have no idea how to eat it. I should discard the skin right? But then there's basically nothing left :s

It's called almkäse or something

[harsh kettle]

try both

[tight kelp]

i'm not gonna eat the skin if I don't know it's safe :D

anyway it's delicious

[humble jasper]

Eat it with wine hrrrr

[tight kelp]

no thanks, the only wine i have at home atm is some northern italian shite

and it's even worse than french wine

[humble jasper]

nice :/

[tight kelp]

my palate is used to better stuff thank you very much 🍷

[upper matrix]

berzi I'm sorry but I have to star that ^.^

amazing ;_;

(the skin is absolutely safe to eat btw)

[tight kelp]

why would you be sorry

[sick imp]

They make cheese with inedible skin?

[eager jewel]

Yes.

[vernal tundra]

really?

[eager jewel]

Some don't taste good, some have wax in them.

[tight kelp]

they make cheese with larvae

[eager jewel]

Ect.

And that.

I mean you can eat them. But I wouldn't.

Devils rock blue cheese has a very waxy skin and I would not eat it.

[harsh kettle]

What a name for cheese lmao

Devils bottom of the fiery depth of the infinitive chasm of true pain cheese

[stable talon]

Verwendet jemanden hier eine O2 SIM Karte? Ich überlege nämlich mich eine zu besorgen

Ich habe sonst keine Angebote für einen 10€ Paket mit Internet, SMS und Anrufen gesehen, der mich gefallen hat

[ivory furnace]

may i ask a niche question

was ist Beizung zwischen puppen und deutch kultur ?, es ist für Hausaufgaben 😩 or alternatively in english because my german is awful :v does toy dolls hold any relation to germanys culture ? lool

[silent pilot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augsburger_Puppenkiste

[ivory furnace]

Danke

[raw bolt]

Hey, I don't know if this is the right place to ask about this sort of thing, but I want to do some kind of German intensive next summer. I want to be in Germany for the full 3 months before I have to apply for residency, and I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for any programs, hopefully ones more rigorous and cheaper than the Goethe Institute and the crop similar to it.

[tight kelp]

Local volkshochschule offer language courses. The one in my area does intensive courses as well. The prices vary but they're usually cheaper than elsewhere

[exotic barn]

Guys do any of yall know if Politikwissenschaft would need B2 or C1?

[exotic barn]

?

[sick imp]

Best to check the website of your desired uni, since requirements can vary.

[brisk lotus]

If I had to guess I'd say C1, which is DSH-2 or TestDaF 4

[exotic barn]

@sick imp @brisk lotus So I've checked and apparently I still have to do the DSH even if I get a C1 certificate from Goethe institut

Basically I'm in the Goethe Institut course for nothing at this point

[sick imp]

You're in it for learning. 😉

[exotic barn]

Yea I guess

But I also have not much time

[exotic barn]

Guys do any of yall know if Politikwissenschaft would need B2 or C1?

All study subjects in Austria require C1+ from this year on

not sure about Germany, they probably have it less strict

@exotic barn

[whole pecan]

I think it’s still safer to be at C1

Also is that political science?

[vast wolf]

hi

wie geht's?

[sick imp]

Not all, but most.

[exotic barn]

How long does it take for an acceptance letter to come?

[sick imp]

Mail is shit. Especially when being sent to meme countries. Can take weeks. I had mine delivered to my cousin in Vienna to speed up the process, but I assume you don't have family in all the meme cities you're applying for.

[exotic barn]

I have family in Germany 🤔 they receive all my post

[nova creek]

Yeah i had a mail from my parents which had to arrive at 1 st of Marc

I got it in my mail last month

[warped atlas]

So after all this time, I finally convinced some company to give me a chance to work in their company. They gave me an Arbeitsvertrag to be signed in the next few days, but I had verbally (and was agreed) extended it to a week. Until I finally read the first few sentences in the Anstellungsvertrag, and it reads,

"Dieses Angebot ist während einer Frist von 4 Tagen ab dem Tag der Übergabe für die Firma verbindlich. Nach Ablauf dieser Frist is die Firma nicht mehr daran gebunden"

And later on in the last part of the contract, "Mündliche Nebenabreden bestehen nicht"

Anyway, this seems to be quite normal for me at least for now, and after a slow read from beginning to end, I don't think they're fucking me over with this contract (EDIT: I had put some ambiguous wording before, sorry)

but....I want to be sure. Anyone here can help me to point in the right direction?

[tight kelp]

It's normal for there to be a probezeit before a firm decides to take an employee long term. I'll start my own probezeit on Monday for a week, my bf recently did a week probezeit himself after which he was hired

[warped atlas]

@tight kelp does it state anywhere in the contract on 13th month salaries?

And the insurance that they'll be getting? Or was it implicitly implied. Did you ask?

[tight kelp]

I can't remember if anything was mentioned on my bf's contract about a 13th month salary. It's possible.
Insurance is something you get as an individual living in Germany. You'll have to provide your insurance number or if it's your first job, they'll have to get it through your insurance. Personally I went through an Ersatzkasse so I'm not entirely sure of the procedure when it comes to fully public insurance or otherwise.

personally I didn't sign any contract yet. I'll see it on monday or at the end of the probezeit i suppose

[warped atlas]

I see, thanks Berzi

[compact slate]

Die einzige formale Voraussetzung um den Bachelorstudiengang Informatik zu studieren ist ein Abiturzeugnis.
Does this make sense that they don't specify the exact/minimum mark you need to have to enroll?

[rain panther]

Well the only formal thing you need is Abitur

You said you got german citizenship right?

[compact slate]

yes

[rain panther]

Still they will look at your grades...but idk if you have to do any language exams with german citizenship

[compact slate]

yeah but they don't specify what grades you need

[tight kelp]

if it's not numerus clausus they might accept you regardless

perhaps they don't have strict requirements so they only consider rejecting people who outright suck

or not even them

[compact slate]

seems pretty counterprodutive

🤔

well first thing first is translting my high school diploma

[rain panther]

You might encounter some difficulties like i did.

[compact slate]

such as?

[rain panther]

Because the school system in germany is a bit different

And they can say your school isnt 'annerkant in deutschland'

[compact slate]

from what I read every high school diploma in Israel is acknowledged if minimum criteria are met

[rain panther]

Then good haha

[exotic barn]

It's not really counterproductive. It's useful. Some courses have a Numerus Clausus of ~ 1.1, which is (pretty) hard to get. And thus, it's useful to have a course where they won't have a required Numerus Clausus

[compact slate]

But letting literally everybody in?

It's bound to produce half assed professionals

[alpine hollow]

haha

you have to pass the exams first

[tight kelp]

Those who are really bad and uninterested will quit before finishing anyway

And in my experience, school marks aren't always reliable to assess somebody's competence, not to mention a lot can happen between high school and uni

[exotic barn]

^ @compact slate That's not true. The exams will be hard and the semesters will be, too.
and brzrkr is right - most will quit. They don't study much / most barely study conscientiously

[alpine hollow]

the numbers won't be a problem after 2-3 semesters :)

[compact slate]

I see @exotic barn

[brisk lotus]

and it gives everyone an equal chance

unrelated to their previous educational achievements

[sullen robin]

@exotic barn did you get your acceptance letter? Sometimes you only see it online or you need to explicitly accept it online before it comes, depends on the university

so I heard from my girlfriend anyway

[exotic barn]

Can I ask something? Do I need Abitur to get accepted to universities in Germany?

[tight kelp]

yes, or equivalent

[exotic barn]

Equivalent?

@tight kelp

[tight kelp]

the german education system is rather unique so you usually have to get it proofed for equivalence

[pale saddle]

HZB i believe

[tight kelp]

it has to be something you can use to access uni in your country and even then there may be exceptions

[pale saddle]

although interestingly, you can study without an abitur, ive seen that on some uni page

For foreigners: you need an HZB

no way around that im afraid

[exotic barn]

I’m very good at my grades in my school. I’ve got severely good German. Due to my school not having a Abitur program will there be a problem?

[alpine hollow]

yeah, you can study for certain fields with a Fachhochschulreife

[exotic barn]

HZB?

[pale saddle]

Hochschulzugangsbestätigung

If you have an equivalent foreign high school degree you can get it transformed into an HZB

[exotic barn]

How is it seen equivalent?

[pale saddle]

for example im an austrian and have a matura. I can send in my matura to get an HZB.

[exotic barn]

Oh, ok thanks for helping me.

[pale saddle]

What country are you from

I can tell you which degress from your country are considered equivalent

but where did you go to school?

so do you have a matura?

or will you be getting one?

[exotic barn]

Will be getting one

[pale saddle]

thats def equivalent

[exotic barn]

Vielen Dank

[pale saddle]

I just googled it, a matura gives you direct general access to german unis

which afaik means you dont need to get a HZB but not 100% sure

[elfin cape]

🤔 i didnt know that was a such a specific term in germany

"abitur"

or about the existense of "matura" for that matter

[pale saddle]

it is, matura is just the austrian abitur

[elfin cape]

aha ok

lol in the netherlands it's just a "(niveau) Diploma"

[pale saddle]

nice to see a dutchman

im about to move to the netherlands

[elfin cape]

;o und warum?

[pale saddle]

im studying there

[elfin cape]

😮 really?

aber warum / was / wo? 😂 entschuldigung ich habe zu fiele Fragen

[pale saddle]

kein problem

Chemistry and Chemical Engineering an der TU Eindhoven

[elfin cape]

aha, master?

oder bachelor? 😛

[pale saddle]

ne BSc

vorerst

[elfin cape]

un warum Eindhoven. gibt es keine im Deutschland?

[pale saddle]

Ich will dann in Delft meinen MSc machen

[elfin cape]

😮

ich studiere jetzt auf/zu/in Delft

[pale saddle]

nice

Delft hat leider keinen BSc in Chem Eng

[elfin cape]

🤔

[pale saddle]

Soweit ich das verstanden habe

[elfin cape]

wartet, ich sehe einfach (what would you translate this to?)

[pale saddle]

wait (plural), i simply see

but im pretty sure it doesnt

Jedenfalls lebe ich nicht in Deutschland und die Wiener Unis sind in dem Gebiet nicht die besten

Außerdem ist die TU/e richtig gut und ich wollte auf englisch studieren da ich einen internationalen abschluss habe

[elfin cape]

https://www.tudelft.nl/onderwijs/opleidingen/bachelors/mst/bsc-molecular-science-technology/
this one is followed by msc chemistry,
but i dont know much about this study myself

[pale saddle]

see but i dont want to do chemistry but chemical engineering

[elfin cape]

that's what i meant sorry 😂

but it's in dutch, not english (the bachelor)

[pale saddle]

either way

i think id like a bsc in c&ce more than one in mol sci

and delft accepts all dutch chem bachelors

Was studierst du in Delft?

[elfin cape]

Physik -> Natuurkunde/Natuurkunst

:3

aber ich gehe möglich in leiden studieren

weiss ich noch nicht

[pale saddle]

Ich freue mich schon ein loch in den Arsch

[elfin cape]

was....

?

0.o

[pale saddle]

😂 Gotta use some of those more obscure german figures of speech

No but really, im really looking forward to it

[elfin cape]

ok

: s i didnt have that with my study

😂

damn way to make me sad

jk not your fault 😛

:3

[pale saddle]

you didnt like it?

[elfin cape]

i dont know i never understand why people look forward to a study 🤔

though at the same time i am interested in several 😂

its really weird

and i dont know what to do

[pale saddle]

im fairly interested in chem, the people ive spoken to so far seem really cool and im looking forward to moving away from home in general

[elfin cape]

oh lol

how come? 😂

not fun home?

[pale saddle]

well i live in a fairly boring town and everyone in my family has always moved around a lot

[elfin cape]

oh.... is it so rural?

[pale saddle]

we seem to be moving about 1000km westwards every generation

nah its suburban, right next to vienna. but still

[elfin cape]

lol seriously? 😂

why is your family moving west

[pale saddle]

i dunno

just seems to happen

[exotic barn]

@pale saddle you might be interested to do some environmental sciences or material sciences? Both have relatively good share of chemistry, environmental deals with more biological side and material is more of physics side. I’d say chemical engineering more of math/design/physics/chemistry

I did bachelors in Maschinenbau und jetzt bin ich werkstoffewissenschaft studieren

I’ll be glad to answer your questions if you have any!

[exotic barn]

@sullen robin i havent even applied anywhere yet

[sullen robin]

Oh right, it sounded like you did

Now you know anyway

[exotic barn]

Has anyone tried opening a Sperrkonto in Fintiba?

I'm choosing between DeutscheBank and Fintiba. Although DB is an approved option, its bureaucracy seems to be extremely painful, when Fintiba that works only with international students demands only the pass for opening an account and you can do it online without visiting the embassy. However, it's a new company I've never heard of and I've read somewhere that they run quite vague business 🤔

Well, tbh it was only one message and "vague" is probably isn't the right word here 🤔

Maybe someone here has experience with Sutor Bank? Fintiba is Sutor Banks daughter

[pale saddle]

@exotic barn Well, for one I cant change it anymore and secondly i like the chem, math and phy Combo of CE.

[green ice]

hello, I'm currently considering studying abroad in a german-speaking country, but the semester start and end dates seem so strange, everything is kind of shifted compared to norwegian dates. does anyone have any experiences with doing an exchange for max 1 year in a german speaking country? how did that work out with your home country's schedule?

[tight kelp]

guys does anyone know where one could get real time news locally for the area of dortmund or whatever? I remember there was something iirc Riot had shown me with basically what the police reported

because an ambulance and like 5 fire trucks just passed by my road and I'd like to know what the hell happened ._.

[whole pecan]

https://www.ruhrnachrichten.de

@tight kelp

[brisk lotus]

Is there a field at German Universities that mixes between Informatik and Biology ? so basically to be able to develop software/systems in the medical field

[alpine hollow]

yeah

Bioinformatik exists

[brisk lotus]

oh really

haven't seen it here in Munich

[alpine hollow]

otherwise there are lot of medicinal computer science fields too

it's not very common

you have to move for most of them

[brisk lotus]

What do you mean move ?

[solemn bay]

Aside from that, CS students of all kinds are often recruited directly into medicine-based jobs.

[alpine hollow]

medicinal computer science is more often found in FHs

[solemn bay]

By that I mean, keep an eye out for internships and stuff.

[brisk lotus]

I guess a CS degree opens more possibilities, but I biology interesting

so I might take it as a Nebenfach

[alpine hollow]

lotsa unis work with hospitals or similar

ask around the institutes if they have work related to that field

[brisk lotus]

yea I found it now at LMU

and the internship I'm doing isn't related to Medicine so it doesn't feel like contributing much

[rose jacinth]

We have a medicinal computer science department

[brisk lotus]

@rose jacinth where's that ?

[rose jacinth]

At an FH

in Dortmund

[stable talon]

I took part in a medical research study and started talking with the guy who had set the computers and EEG caps and everything up; they were looking for an Informatik student who can speak English and German, and I might get the job. You never know where you'll meet people who can offer you an opportunity to gain experience in your field of choice. This job offer is more about helping out with the computer systems than it is about the medical stuff, but if I get the job I'll certainly learn more about EEGs and so on than I would by doing an internship at an IP or something like that. Keep an ear to the ground and you'll probably turn something up that fits into Bioinformatik

^This happened in Kiel

[candid gull]

Uni Bielefeld also has a Bioinformatics department, I think

[fossil pulsar]

Hello, I'm currently in college, and I'm looking into going to a german uni for a masters degree after this. What are the requirements of a stipend that german unis demand from foreign students?

Is there anything special I must have to get a scholarship as a foreign student?

[alpine hollow]

you have to look up possible stipends for yourself

the requirements change for each institution behind the stipend

it might be best if you ask your college about cooperations and see if they can help you

or ask the university you want to go to what possible stipends there are

[fossil pulsar]

Is it extremely difficult to get, usually?

[alpine hollow]

well, it depends on what kinda stipend you wanna get

if it's by merit, you better be high up on grades and social contribution

[cloud grove]

Tübingen jemand?

[mild quiver]

Anyone know of some good sites for finding host families for temp stays? I know it's fairly common for uni students from abroad, but as I'm not a student and will simply be moving to Köln, I figured before I go there I should spend a few weeks with a German speaking family to build up my confidence. I'm thinking of accommodation in exchange for food/work deal like Workaway, but that's the only resource I'm currently aware of.

[alpine hollow]

try looking up au pair in Germany

[mild quiver]

I considered that but isn't it difficult for men to get au pair jobs? Or is that less of a thing in Germany compared to the US?

[solemn bay]

Doesn't hurt to try maybe.

[mild quiver]

very true

[sick imp]

Just put a wig on. Nobody will notice.

[royal cargo]

Could anyone help me with cuisine in the DACH countries 😉

I would be really thankful if you guys could do that (Just DM me and I will be there as soon as possible)

[chilly narwhal]

cuisine?

you need a kitchen?

[alpine hollow]

eh food, chica

[red phoenix]

You need a cousin?

[royal cargo]

Oh I have should have worded that better

I meant like what is common to eat and such

[tight kelp]

your wording is fine, it's chica that's being a meme

[vivid spade]

recommended tv shows? (english subs would be nice, but not necesairy) please not dark

[winged quiver]

ich habe 'how to train your dragon' '13 reasons why' 'die Reise nach westen' auf Netflix geschaut

[brave magnet]

13 Gründe, warum ich nur auf Episode 3 in Staffel 2 bin.

[winged quiver]

auf Deutsch ist es tote mädchen lügen nicht, sondern 13 Gründe

[exotic barn]

SpongeBob Schwammkopf 👀

[junior sphinx]

I'll be applying to a few German universities to English courses, and I was wondering if it was mandatory to have knowledge of German, cause none of them actually mention anything about it

[viral geyser]

Only for courses or to actually study something ?

[exotic barn]

@junior sphinx A2 is mandatory for visa

[viral geyser]

@exotic barn The universities tend to want a better skill. Heidelberg and Berlin want C1, at least. But it depends on the universities.

[exotic barn]

@viral geyser his course is in English

[viral geyser]

Oh, I misunderstood. I thought he meant to want to learn English.

[exotic barn]

👌

[winged quiver]

while we are on the topic, is it better for me too apply and go to a german university or do an exchange?

does anyone have any sources that would tell me what the process of an American doing German university would be?

[dense oriole]

How is this for a voicemail message?
"Hallo, Sie haben das Telefon von insertmynamehere erreicht. Bitte hinterlassen Sie eine Nachricht. Ich werde Sie so schell wie möglich zurückrufen. Vielen Dank und einen schönen Tag."

[alpine hollow]

Ihnen Sie

einen schönen

[dense oriole]

Oh, so "Ich werde Sie so schell wie möglich zurückrufen."?

[alpine hollow]

yes

also wrong channel

[dense oriole]

Is this similar to ones they have in Germany?

[alpine hollow]

what do you mean

[dense oriole]

Like, the style of it.

[alpine hollow]

i mean you can style it however you want

[dense oriole]

In America, ones I hear are "Hey, this is name. Leave a message"

How formal do voicemail messages get?

[alpine hollow]

as formal as you want

[dense oriole]

Do I include my first and last name, just my last name, just my first name?

[alpine hollow]

like how you want

[dense oriole]

I hear that people in Germany say "surname residence" or something, but I'm not sure if that's common.

[alpine hollow]

not really

[dense oriole]

Hm, alright.

[exotic barn]

It's your voicemail and unless you're recording this for a company with set expectations, you can do whatever you want

[dense oriole]

One of the coolest voicemails I heard so far was a guy freestyle rapping

[alpine hollow]

i hang up before i even come to the voicemal anyway

[dense oriole]

Yeah, I gotta call people as a part of my job, and I hear lots of Spanish messages, so I was like "Why not record one in German?"

[tight kelp]

Tbh I'm not even sure voicemail is used much in Germany aside from business

[candid kestrel]

speaking of spongebob, anybody heard of spongebass?

[hardy wren]

ive only heard of spongeBOZZ

[candid kestrel]

i think its the same?

the rapper/clubmusic guy?

[hardy wren]

yea

[candid kestrel]

ye!!

[fast abyss]

hi dudes, i sort of have some questions that are not exacly about learning german but about studying in germany
can anyone lend a me a hand?

[tacit briar]

sure, just ask your question here. if somebody knows the answer, s/he'll help you

[fast abyss]

alright

so basically i'm a foreigner interested in studying mechanical engineering in germany (somewhere in niedersachsen if possible) Would love to know what the requirements to do so are and what difficulties i might encouter, aswell as what subjects i should excelle at in advance. all i have atm is a moroccan baccalaureat in economics and a B1 level in german (working my way to C1)

also some public uni suggestions in the region pls, thanks in advance c:

[solemn bay]

Start by checking out the pinned link. @fast abyss

[eager jewel]

Anyone have any advice about getting a chef/cook/baking job in Germany/Austria?

[rain panther]

Thats easy @eager jewel you will find a job in 10mins

They are searching for chefs

[eager jewel]

Nice.

[fast abyss]

i checked the pinned posts @solemn bay but my case is a bit specific and couldn't find a sure answer anywhere

[solemn bay]

What are the specific questions you need answered? @fast abyss

[fast abyss]

can i, with an economics morocco baccalaureat, get admitted into mechanical engineering courses in uni, and will i have difficulties integrating seeing as how i learned no physics/chemistry/barely any maths in school

[solemn bay]

That first question can be answered by the link in the pins.

[exotic barn]

You should ask international offices of universities you're interested in.

[solemn bay]

I believe it says you need 2 semesters of study before you can apply.

[fast abyss]

studienkolleg yeah, but can't attend studienkolleg if i don't get accepted in uni in the first place

where is the first question answered in pins? Can't find it

[solemn bay]

https://www.daad.de/deutschland/nach-deutschland/voraussetzungen/en/57293-daad-database-on-admission-requirements/

[fast abyss]

neat

i don't qualify

[pale saddle]

Ah the good old DAAD

[fast abyss]

bruh

[pale saddle]

My family has been having trouble with that institution for generations now

[solemn bay]

Select the 2 semesters of study option.

[fast abyss]

not a lot changed

[solemn bay]

Well, that depends on the possibilities in your own country.

But you can probably apply for statistics and then switch.

Or something like that.

[fast abyss]

yeah i was told it would be better if i start in economics then switch

[solemn bay]

But like foxxo said, the best option is always to contact the universities directly.

[fast abyss]

but that makes i would have studied in a W-course studienkolleg

which would not in turn prepare me for what's in mechanical engineering (T-course)

i'll contact unis then, thanks a lot for ur help i really appreciate it

what other unis offer this as a subject in niedersachsen other than clausthal?

[solemn bay]

You're asking which unis offer mechanical engineering?

[fast abyss]

yeah

[solemn bay]

Maybe you can find some options here: https://www.studieren-in-niedersachsen.de/en/international/universities-in-lower-saxony/all-study-programmes.html#sort=az&page=1&english_only=&studytype=&fieldofstudy=&studienort=&plzdist=&mastertypnk=&zulassungsmodus=&zulassungssemester=&hochschule=

[fast abyss]

you're a life-saver man thanks a whole bunch

[solemn bay]

Np. But I really just Googled for Niedersachsen universities and that was the first result.

[exotic barn]

He just knows how to use google

[fast abyss]

saved me a click

[ocean oriole]

How big is drinking and party culture at German universities? I live in the UK where life at university revolves around the university a lot of the time, is it similar at German universities (or Swiss or Austrian)?

[alpine hollow]

not very

at least not bigger than normal life

[red phoenix]

@ocean oriole depends on what your friend group is

[ocean oriole]

and is there an equivalent to fresher's week?

[red phoenix]

?

We love our bread the proper way so every day is fresh.

[ocean oriole]

at university in the uk, at the first week of university the new students have lots of events and parties etc

but german bread is a lot better than english bread, that is true

and that week is called freshers week because they are new students 'fresh' students

[hardy wren]

new students are called Ersties in germany

[alpine hollow]

or Ersies

[cold aspen]

Ersties is just an abbreviation of Erstsemesterstudenten (first term students)

[pale saddle]

Ersties doesnt sound nearly as good as freshmen

[viral geyser]

Die Uni bietet manchmal viel besseres in Deutschland

[rose cedar]

What's the holiday called where they snip men's ties?

[exotic barn]

"Weiberfastnacht"

[civic sail]

lolwut

[exotic barn]

I know this isn't exactly #archived-culture-study-visa-stuff, but it might still interest people in this server
In case you live under a rock; the EU is currently initiating a great opportunity for young people: THE CHANCE TO TRAVEL WITH INTERRAIL FOR FREE
http://europa.eu/youth/discovereu_en

[rose cedar]

thanks anner!

[steep steeple]

ech, hat jemand informationen und ressourcen über deutsch im ehemaligen deutsch-südwestafrika, heute als namibia bekannt?

ich hab einige dokumente gesehen und wiki gelesen, aber es ist nicht genug – mich würde interessieren, ob die grammatik und der wortschatz ein bisschen anders ist im vergleich zu der stadndardsprache

[hardy wren]

fahr hin und red mit den leuten

[viral geyser]

@hardy wren Sehr hilfreich m(

@steep steeple Versuch's mal unter https://www.az.com.na/ Das ist eine namibische Zeitung, die auf Deutsch erscheint. Ich habe mich nicht lange mit ihr beschäftigt, aber vielleicht findest du da ja was.

[hardy wren]

alteste landes zeitung

klingt schon mal interessant

[viral geyser]

Mal abgesehen davon, dass du dir an dieser Stelle vielleicht an die eigene Nase fassen könntest: Erstens wurde nach einer einfachen Quelle gefragt und da ist es nicht hilfreich, mal einfach so nach Namibia zu fahren. Zweitens sind die Texte und ggf. Audio- und Videodateien hilfreicher als der Snippet, auf den du dich jetzt stützt.

[mild quiver]

What's the drinking culture like in Germany? Like you guys obv like your beers, but do you guys tend to keep to only your groups, or is chatting with random people outside of it commonplace and almost expected like in England and Ireland?

Essentially how fucked am I in terms of making mates if I go out solo

[alpine hollow]

eh, if you are drunk that doesn't matter anyway

[tight kelp]

that's not what he asked xD

[alpine hollow]

it is

if he is drunk he is not fucked

people go drink in groups but if you are drunk who cares about that

[solemn bay]

I think it's also the case in general that people will be pretty open to making friends with someone who is traveling or new to the country. Like you should take advantage of whatever conversational topics you can create from that.

[tight kelp]

@alpine hollow he didn't mention being drunk, at all. oO As far as I understand it, he only wants to know if it's possible/easy to make friends by talking to strangers when going in drinking places by himself

which is a legitimate question since not every culture is the same. I'd imagine it being socially acceptable to approach a stranger and strike a conversation in the USA for example, but not so much in Scandinavia

personally I perceive Germany to be open towards this behaviour but I have no first-hand experience really. Haven't gone drinking very much and the one time strangers talked to us we were in an Irish pub and the person wasn't a native German

[alpine hollow]

that's why i said if you are drunk it doesn't matter

[tight kelp]

yeah but what if one wants to strike a conversation before becoming drunk, or doesn't plan on getting drunk at all

[alpine hollow]

then why are you going to a drinking place

[tight kelp]

i mean, there's several middle points between not drinking and getting drunk xD

[exotic barn]

he specifically asked about the drinking culture in Germany

I'd go with Luna's advice as well

[tight kelp]

so unless you get drunk you have no friends?

[alpine hollow]

WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO A DRINKING PLACE

you are not going to bar to order water on your own are you

[eager jewel]

When you go to a bar and don't drink it's pretty lame.

[tight kelp]

ok i think there's something clashing here, either logic or culture. I'm under the impression that one can drink alcohol without getting drunk

[eager jewel]

Not at a bar.

Most people go to a bar to get smashed.

Or buzzed.

[tight kelp]

now either germans are physically incapable of drinking without INSTANTLY getting drunk, whereby drinking alcohol would always result in drunkenness, or it's hard for them (sample size: Luna and 0x1) to comprehend that you can drink, but also stop before getting pissed

[alpine hollow]

when was the last time you went to a drinking place on your own without drinking

[tight kelp]

i didn't say without drinking

[eager jewel]

Oh my god

[alpine hollow]

but that's the point

you are taking being drunk far too binary

[tight kelp]

i've gone out for drinks countless times in my life but i only got drunk once

no i think you're the one doing that actually xD

[alpine hollow]

no, not really

[eager jewel]

Drunk and being buzzes can be in the same term.

Buzzed

[tight kelp]

your logic seems to be:
[] don't drink | [] drink and get pissed

whereas mine is:
[] don't drink | [] drink and get pissed | [] drink without getting pissed

so which one is binary again, or what am I misinterpreting

[eager jewel]

Wow.

[alpine hollow]

you are taking it way too seriously

[eager jewel]

Yeah bud.

[tight kelp]

probably, but i always do that

[alpine hollow]

point is

if you go to a drinking place, it will be easier to talk to people if you are drinking

[eager jewel]

Yeah. People make a lot of friends while drinking.

[alpine hollow]

if it's not a drinking place or at least a public event, then talking to strangers is pretty much a no go

[eager jewel]

Buzzed or drunk

[alpine hollow]

you ain't gonna talk to other people in a cocktail bar( unless you sit at the barkeeper's)

(or you wanna talk to that cute girl or boy)

but you can probably do it without problems in pub or bar

or at a public event

[eager jewel]

That's how I met Hedley, if you know Hedley.

[alpine hollow]

I don't think i do?

[eager jewel]

Famous band in NA.

[alpine hollow]

oh

i am not keeping up with music

[fleet pelican]

does germany have blood candy

its usually in eastern europe but we call it Hematogen

[exotic barn]

yeah we have imported ones

[fleet pelican]

delicious

[hasty nexus]

what does blood candy taste like?

[karmic yew]

Hematogen tastes, uh....sweet and crumbly? but it's a weird, more 'solid' sweetness, like...
I am not sure what to compare it to. Have you tried, say, date fruits? Imagine them, but crumbly like cookies, I suppose....

[fleet pelican]

hematogen is fucking lit

[mild quiver]

ok but there's a distinction between a place being friendly enough to where you can meet people while still sober/buzzed and it only being a warm place when you're drunk and braver than usual

so if the criteria was "I can make friends when drunk" I think all bars would be considered friendly by default in Germany, or well, anywhere

like Irish drinking culture is very open for example. You can't even wait in a queue for a club for five minutes without talking to a bunch of people generally

but the only idea of drinking culture I have of Germany is from a day in Nürnberg at a beer garden where a Gernan guy randomly heard my English and had me rate his rate a recording of his rapping which was

strange and unexpected but an interesting first impression

[alpine hollow]

all bars are pretty much friendly by default

[tight kelp]

those in my block don't look like they are 👀

but you'd also be hard-pressed to find a single german drinking there so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[foggy prism]

same

[tight kelp]

well you live in switzerland don't you? Then no shit that most people aren't germans :>

[foggy prism]

I expanded “german” to mean “local”

[tight kelp]

right, my bad

[foggy prism]

but yes, there certainly aren’t that many germans around either

I’d say it’s about 50% albanians, 50% southern slavs and a statistically insignificant number of swiss people

living in my neighborhood

I probably singlehandedly doubled that number by moving here ^^

[tight kelp]

mine is pretty heterogenous but here too there aren't many locals

[foggy prism]

I mean I exaggerate and yea there’s certainly also a whole bunch of other ethnicities around

there’s several people with asian names in my block

bunch that I’d guess chinese, one japanese

[tight kelp]

interestingly there's like zero asians here, they're in a different neighbourhood

[foggy prism]

not many black people around, also almost no people from india (subcontinent)

[tight kelp]

this one is mostly Arabs and Turks but there's also many slavs, Africans and some Italians, but no Asians

[foggy prism]

haven’t heard italian on the street yet I don’t think

turkish certainly is represented, but turks seem to prefer germany over switzerland

our main source of immigrants is the balkans

particularly kosovo, but also everythign else there

[tight kelp]

yeah turks definitely look to germany first

[solemn bay]

Any Australians?

[tight kelp]

i doubt it

but you could be the first one 😉

[foggy prism]

not even austrians

[exotic barn]

Guys, do germans have the week where uni freshmen spend time together before the first semester starts to get to know each other and maybe also the upperclassmen? How is it called?

[alpine hollow]

Orientierungseinheit

[viral geyser]

Einführungswoche

[exotic barn]

Are these just two different names for the same thing or are they different?

[pale saddle]

Pretty much the same

Some unis call it Orientation Week, some call it Introduction Week

[exotic barn]

Thanks guys!

[fleet pelican]

How long does it take back to hear from a uni

I want to apply in mid-august when I get my official results

and moving from england to ger in a month with barely any prior plans is

tricky

so ofc its convenient to get an answer asap

[exotic barn]

I got a reply in a week

Aren’t the deadlines 15.7. tho?

[fleet pelican]

ah

I thought it was until the actual semester started

my mistake then

I really wouldnt know what to do then, I cant get results any earlier

and the week reply thing is comforting suzu

thank you

[exotic barn]

Yw

Some unis have longer deadlines for non germans tho so check out the unis

Or write them an email cuz uni websites are tricky

[fleet pelican]

I know, I was already thinking of writing or calling each one personally just for advice on my situation

see if I can get a bit of leeway in anyway I can

would it be any different for a studienkolleg?

[exotic barn]

Studienkolleg might have different deadlines, yeah

I know that a lot of german courses have a diff deadline and separate application so i would guess the same for studienkolleg

[fleet pelican]

it'll just be a case of finding each individually then

thank you sweetheart

[exotic barn]

You’re welcome hecke ❤

[viral geyser]

Guess they're the same. I only studied once 😄

[sick imp]

Call and write to everyone for every little detail when it comes to uni applications.

[fiery edge]

Being an intl student, don't you have to apply through uni-assist?

[alpine hollow]

depends on the uni

[fleet pelican]

arremu, its already the plan

to every uni, institution and studentmoneythrower

[whole pecan]

Is RB14905 a train?