and I can recommend just look at the information on unis sites
#archived-culture-study-visa
exotic barn
because for example there is a course called Bridge in the .... I forgot the name sorry ah ye BTU Cottbus
and you can apply with b1 and study there German 1 year
sick imp
As far as Austria goes you don't have to know a word of German to apply for a German course thing.
exotic barn
no
the ones from unis
tbh I'm not sure but just open any page like Internationale Bewerbung-> Sprachkenntnisse
exotic barn
and you'll find these topics 1) I have C1 2) I have almost C1 3) I suck
you need the last one
exotic barn
and then you'll find the info
about courses
and language schools they work with
and so on
Just idk learning language isn't easy, but if you really want to study abroad it's just something you have to do. Try looking at the bright side, use apps, watch your fav tv shows and movies in German, read news, get a private teacher, find friends who speak German and kinda try having fun
A1-B1.2 it's the best part, I really enjoyed learning it
undone gyro
I have a tutor already
exotic barn
Especially when you feel like you start understanding shit
undone gyro
Is there a course you recommend
exotic barn
Just find my messages in #resources
there is a link to my Google drive
I uploaded everything I used
undone gyro
Okidoki thank youu
ocean basalt
Foxxo what was the one book called, that we both agreed on, about studying German
Jin F Voss U something something, you’ll see it on Foxxo’s texts, it’s an amazing book
fallen notch
@exotic barn are you self-learning
exotic barn
@fallen notch first 4 months I had a native teacher every second day 3 hours, then I would studying all by myself although I had private teachers but we used to meet like once in a week, before DSD 2 I learned with a native teacher twice in a week for 2 hours
@ocean basalt Grammatik Aktiv
ocean basalt
A quick question, how can I find majors related to neurological topics that are available for bachelors in Germany?
Something like a list is what I need, I got lost on Hochschulkompass few times already 
brisk lotus
Give this a try https://www.studis-online.de/Studiengaenge/
ocean basalt
Effi even the important links you send has gifs, you’re the man XD
exotic barn
huh why did i think you were an IT guy too 👀
ocean basalt
Haha no I’m not, I’m studying medical major and studied anesthesiology in high school
Not even close 
👀
exotic barn
i guess im getting confused by all the people here
anesthesiology sounds super cool tho
ocean basalt
Thanks 
ocean basalt
@brisk lotus what does “berufsbegleitend” mean?
Dictionary says extra occupational but I’m confused 👀
exotic barn
Sounds about right to me
ocean basalt
Oh, could you elaborate it please?
exotic barn
neben dem Beruf einhergehend
ocean basalt
As in, more opportunities after graduation or like internship throughout the years?
ocean basalt
Oh alrighty, got it thanks!
exotic barn
@brisk lotus thanks :3
brisk lotus
❤
twin fiber
I was going to message this to my friend. I am sorry.
ocean basalt
Hey guys, a question
I have a situation that I need to check whether my educational background is eligible for the major that I choose to study in Germany (long story). Should I email general international students office or instead the contact person of that specific program? ( A bit too few choices to pick from, don't wanna make mistakes 👀)
undone gyro
there is usually links on the website of the university where you can check but you can email the admissions people of the university im sure they will be more than happy to help you
some universities will accpet you if a certain university from your country verifies your qualifications or something similar
i cant remember it properly but its something like that
ocean basalt
Ah no I wish it was just that, German Academic Exchange Service basically says that I could only do direct subject-restricted admissions
and there's no explanation for that, it's up to the university itself 👀
The subject restriction is the key thing that needs to be confirmed by the uni before offical admission in this case
undone gyro
im confused my friend i wish i could help
exotic barn
afaik german unis usually only accept freely if you studied at gymnasium, otherwise it's restricted admission and you also have to have a sufficient diploma, or attend a studienkolleg, or study first at uni for a year
@ocean basalt ^
if you didnt study at gymnasium, you can only apply for subjects in your field
ocean basalt
Oh no I don’t need to go to Studienkolleg
If I were to go without graduating from this uni, I’d have to, but since I’m planning for afterwards no need for that
exotic barn
I was just stating diff options.
ocean basalt
Oh oops, misread
alpine hollow
ready for his master 
exotic barn
Oh, are you going for masters?
ocean basalt
Ah, i don’t think i can
Because here, the uni type that I study is not as same as a standard bachelors degree
exotic barn
👀
alpine hollow
👀
exotic barn
Idk how it works in Turkey but germany is quite popular there so you def can find someone to ask i think
ocean basalt
I actually asked the German Academic Exchange about this topic, they also said I could only go to bachelors 👀
exotic barn
When are you going to germany? 👀
ocean basalt
Late 2018 for language course B2 - C1
exotic barn
OH ME TOO
ocean basalt
👀 👀
ocean basalt
I currently have no clue about where I’d be going
Because I still dunno what major I can study 👀
exotic barn
Well, you should look it up cuz you have to apply quite early
You dont have to apply for a major to study a german course 👀
ocean basalt
But then if I apply for a major with the German course condition, visa procedure is 1003838483733837 times easier 👀
Outside-EU
ocean basalt
July first two weeks in most universities afaik 👀
ocean basalt
But I think you can go to a “random” uni Lang course and when you finish it you could go to major you want with testdaf result
@exotic barn ^
exotic barn
Well, the point is that not all unis offer lang courses so you might have to apply to some random one and then apply for your desired uni another year
ocean basalt
Yeah exactly, ditches all super expensiff ones
Btw Suzu are you going to take an official German exam? Like testDaF or Goethe?
exotic barn
Im taking B1 goethe next month for admission to a lang course and after that I’ll take DSH for uni. Might back it up with another exam but idk yet.
Berlin and Munich have no courses with good time/price ratio btw
ocean basalt
Ah i see, I’m preparing for late April B1 Goethe 👀 good luck 🍀
Aren’t those two very expensive cities on their own anyway, I never even considered them 🙄
alpine hollow
Berlin? no
ocean basalt
Oh it’s not? 😮
ocean basalt
That was really good to know!!
exotic barn
But berlin has no uni lang courses so rip
ocean basalt
Rip
civic sail
Hi I wanna ask if you wanna go to a university abroad, then you need to take the entrance exam there or can you do it online?
I mean wouldn't it be a waste of money to go there to do the ent. exam and not get accepted.
exotic barn
Oh, I wasn't sure about that as well, but thanks for clarifying!
There are however, aptitude exams for certain courses, from what I've read
though I'm not sure if every university has those
civic sail
ooo k
exotic barn
(Biology and Chemistry courses in TU Munich require those apparently, and some others)
some courses also require internship
exotic barn
oh
@civic sail most of the requirements for application (and your eligibility for selection) hinge on your secondary school grades, some subjects are also weighted heavily, as well as some additional qualifications (which would be evaluated) but I don't think all courses have this assessment
and of course your language skills
civic sail
if i wanna go to engineering?
alpine hollow
they are weighted for you?
south oriole
according to wiki even an IQ test counts
ocean basalt
Wait what
civic sail
i'm gonna fail iq test 😂
alpine hollow
if it has an NC, they only look for the average mark
exotic barn
well I haven't tried to enroll yet myself, but for some of the universities whose application procedures I've read, there are aptitude assessments for certain courses and the evaluators would weigh certain subjects related to the course you want to admit into (and based on those, you could get immediate admission, rejection, or an interview)
alpine hollow
otherwise you only need to meet the requirements
exotic barn
@civic sail you should look into the universities you want to apply, I don't think they all have the exact same application requirements and procedures so it may vary
ocean basalt
Luna if I can keep my current GPA stable I'm gonna have at least 1.6-1.7 NC, is that good enough for university standarts?
alpine hollow
look if your course even has a NC
exotic barn
Luna, could I perhaps volunteer to go to an SK instead of straight to uni even if my secondary school qualifications are enough, should I want to?
or is that out of my hands
alpine hollow
SK?
exotic barn
studienkolleg
alpine hollow
Studienkolleg only helps/prepare getting into uni
if you don't meet the formal requirements, you have to try it with Studienkolleg
if you meet them anyway, you can apply on your own
exotic barn
What if I don't, but I want to try with the studienkolleg? Can the uni allow me to admit into the sk like normally? Supposing I only get until B1 or B2 in German before I apply, I want to improve it more in the studienkolleg and perhaps study again for the certain subjects they give in the specified course so I can prepare myself better for uni again
alpine hollow
ask them
exotic barn
Because I have a secondary school cert. + I also studied for some years in uni here in my country, so perhaps I am eligible for uni straight up, but I have more than a gap year so I'm sort of rusty with academics and I'm willing to learn stuff again before uni
south oriole
if you don't meet the requirements is there a test you can take that makes you eligible like a cert thats equivalent of what most unis require?
alpine hollow
attend classes
exotic barn
you attend classes (in the studienkolleg) for at least 2 semesters and then at the end you can take the qualification exam
called the "Feststellungsprüfung"
if you pass you're eligible for uni basically
south oriole
Wait so is there a different institution for it or you attend the classes at a uni?
south oriole
and the exam is part of studienkolleg and not the uni you're tying to apply to?
alpine hollow
yep
south oriole
How long does this take?
exotic barn
they are also mostly public, and some if not most are affiliated to a uni (unis will direct you to them if you don't qualify, most studienkollegs don't allow direct admission), so they're "free" as well and you only have to pay the semester fee
i think you can directly apply to private studienkollegs though... but they have tuition fees
alpine hollow
private stuff is not worth it in Germany
south oriole
Does this studienkolleg have any requirements you have to meet?
alpine hollow
unless you really want to spend money
exotic barn
depends on the studienkolleg
you have to look them up individually online and see their reqs
but most i've seen require you to be at least b1 in german... I think
alpine hollow
you usually should be eligible for general University admission
mostly constitutes finishing school
you have to look up for your country which school qualification is equivalent
on anabin
exotic barn
anabin.kmk.org/anabin.html should be here but it's only in German
south oriole
Schools are shit here
exotic barn
Does this studienkolleg have any requirements you have to meet?
B1 German
Sometimes A2
south oriole
Is B1 the only thing you need?
alpine hollow
and the appropriate qualification
exotic barn
well of course not, you need other requirements as well, such as your school certificate and such, basically anything you need to apply for uni
exotic barn
your diploma
alpine hollow
often times
exotic barn
or whatever it's called
alpine hollow
depends on the country
exotic barn
you graduate secondary school / high school they usually give you certificates for that for legitimacy, so that's part of the paperwork
alpine hollow
in France it's le bac, in britain it's A-levels
etc.
high school should be enough for americans i think with some extras
south oriole
Are there any age limits?
alpine hollow
no
south oriole
What programs does germany have for adult education
if a 40 year old immigrant with no education wanted to study what would he have to do?
exotic barn
i'm not sure if they have age-specific requirements or anything
as far as i know you only need the default requirements
secondary school certificates for example
south oriole
Do most immigrants even meet those? 🤔
exotic barn
Well obviously you need to have finished secondary school anywhere to get into university
they assess however if your secondary school qualifications are equal to Germany's abitur
alpine hollow
you go to school
exotic barn
if not > studienkolleg
if yes > straight to uni
that's just how it goes
https://www.topuniversities.com/where-to-study/europe/germany/how-apply-study-germany you can consult this guide for example, DAAD also has a guide as well
DAAD also runs uni-assist, which is basically for international students
and some universities require international students to use uni-assist as well
south oriole
That's for students, what i'm talking about is what do immigrants with no education do? luna said they go to school so there are schools for adults where they can at least have high school level education or they do some kind of training and learn skill like wood working maybe?
alpine hollow
yes
tight kelp
does anyone here use xing?
exotic barn
I’ve tried it once and I think one of their developers follows me on Twitter 🤔
tight kelp
I was trying to figure out why it initially asked me where i have worked in the past and now it's showing it as if it were still my current workplace, without allowing me to remove it
that's one thing i hate about pretty much any work-related social network or app: somehow they assume you cannot be unemployed. And they assume you cannot exist unless you completed university
exotic barn
Yep
Good thing software has no bias amirite 🙄🔫
No idea if that’s possible. Very little yet very bad experience with it.
tight kelp
so now everyone is gonna see that i "work" in logistics and either think that i want a job in logistics or that i'm not that good at programming, or both
which is the opposite of what I want, yay
exotic barn
Yeah
exotic barn
Brzr ❤
tight kelp
hi, you're back :0
red phoenix
Seitdem ihr alle doktoren seid
alpine hollow
cool, kann ich dich haben?
true citrus
The proof of funds, 8000 euros to get the visa? or 8000 euros per year? so if I want to get my masters for example I'd have to show proof of 16 000 euros (2 years) to get the visa?
alpine hollow
just for the visa
true citrus
I found this in the sub wiki "Keep in mind, Bachelor's degree programmes in Germany last between 3 and 4 years, so you will need in total $30,000 or $40,000 to get your visa."
ocean basalt
It's not everything at once though, right?
alpine hollow
definitely not
true citrus
that's what I'm asking
ocean basalt
pls tell me it's not XD
true citrus
that's reassuring, I could use the 8000 for the first year and find a job or work online to pay the rest
still, he says "TO GET the visa"...
alpine hollow
for getting it you don't need much more
and you can get more money while in germany
or from other sources
true citrus
would you say that going with a tourist visa first and completing the procedures form inside germany is a good idea?
alpine hollow
maybe
placid rose
ich hab DIE idee wie man Parteien wie die Afd verhindern kann, wir müssen einfach einen Wahlführerschein einführen den kann man dann so ab 18 machen und der legt Mindeskentnisse über Deutschland und das politische Geschehen fest die man kennen muss um wählen zu dürfen (natürlich müsste der alle vier Jahre erneuert werden)
alpine hollow
okay
tight kelp
das würde die Wahlbeteiligung zu viel verringern
placid rose
das mag vielleicht sein
aber dann hätten wir keine rechtspopulistische Partei als drittstärkste Kraft im Bundestag
tight kelp
das kannst du nicht garantieren ^^
viele Lehrer, die Geschichte lehren, sind sowieso Rechtsradikaler, auch wenn sie wissen, was mit rechstextremistischem Leaders passiert ist
placid rose
ich meine wenn man sowas hört https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga2ylCwIVQU
https://youtu.be/fGW1dU4KDV0?t=260 mein all time fav is immer noch
exotic barn
@true citrus if i were you, i would finish it before going to germany of possible cuz when you get to germany, you'll also have to find a place to stay and do other stuff and it def wont help to have to also worry about papers and if you'll get a visa to stay or if it might be denied and you'll have to leave again
half monolith
Is there an age limit to study visas?
exotic barn
there shouldnt be
tight kelp
hopefully the rest of your body is younger then
brisk lotus
@half monolith as far as I know there isn't a limit
There's probably a minimum age limit though
for certain visas
brisk lotus
You said you were "old"
there's no such limit
so you won't have a problem in that matter
ocean basalt
Is there a new fee law in Baden area universities?
silent pilot
1.500€ for a semester for non-EU citizens in Baden-Württemberg
ocean basalt
Alrighty, thanks
tight kelp
why would they do that :|
sick imp
Fascist Schwaben.
exotic barn
@carmine heron ^
carmine heron
i know, a similar regulation might be enacted in nrw in the future too
exotic barn
Oh no D:
ocean basalt
How likely is it? @natives
carmine heron
i find it unlikely because there were somewhat serious demonstrations against it mostly by german students
exotic barn
Kewl
half monolith
What's the fee for? Just curious
exotic barn
Normal tuition fee
alpine hollow
eh they are more than normal
silent pilot
A normal administrative fee would be 200-300€ per semester - the proposed fee for non-eu citizens would be 1500€ per semester (just like in Baden-Württemberg).
silent pilot
i pay 250/300€
alpine hollow
well, it's the money we pay for studying
but semester/tuiton fees were their own thing
alpine hollow
i understand what you mean, tho, nemo
exotic barn
I didn’t mean normal as average
alpine hollow
you also didn't verb
exotic barn
I verbed now
alpine hollow
i still don't know what it changes
exotic barn
Normal tuition fee = not for other stuff
alpine hollow
you never pay or paid (in recent times) 1500€ in germany for studying per semester
but then came Ba-Wü 😦
ocean basalt
1500€ is just way too much even to think about : o
silent pilot
It's hard to say wether it is going to happen in NRW. The state government wants to wait for an evaluation of the fee in Ba-Wü and (as mentioned) there is a lot of backlash from basically all unis
exotic barn
Not for accommodation or materials or anything
alpine hollow
did you know if existing students were exempt, nemo?
like when people started studying before they introduced the non-eu fees
did you still have to pay?
silent pilot
idk - there hasn't been any news about it since january and i think they didn't think it through to that point tbh 😅
ocean basalt
Btw guys, has it already started, or next year?
alpine hollow
in BaWü? yes
for about 2 years?
in NRW? No
No idea when or if they actually do it for NRW, as nemo said
ocean basalt
The boy at the language course said they introduced the thing last month or so 🤔
silent pilot
not in NRW
ocean basalt
Looks like he was wrong (I’m talking about BaWü)
silent pilot
It has been in BaWü since October
ocean basalt
I see, rip Konstanz uni dreams for me then
exotic barn
I don't think it applies for existing students, I did read about the reason as to why they introduced that regulation in BaWü though
also BaWü probably has most of the top unis in Germany as well, and probably the most popular for international students I guess
alpine hollow
foreign student numbers have gone down last semester
exotic barn
BaWü decide to implement it to help with the country's debt
exotic barn
any chance they would somehow go back within the next few years?
silent pilot
that's what they want to evaluate - whether they actually make a profit at all
silent pilot
there's supposed to be an evaluation after the summer semester
ocean basalt
This summer semester?
exotic barn
I see
silent pilot
yes
alpine hollow
evaluation won't mean change, eyes
just ignore Ba-Wü for now
unless you get a scholarship somehow
silent pilot
and then they want to decide over NRW about it
ocean basalt
Unlikely, gonna ignore that part
exotic barn
I think Heidelberg and Freiburg are beautiful cities so they were among my first choices as well but yeah 1,500 euros a sem is so expensive
alpine hollow
1500€ per semester is pretty insane for german standards
if you compare it to the US or UK, maybe not
but still
exotic barn
yeah
alpine hollow
nah
there are overpopulation issues
but after two semesters a lot of people drop out anyway
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ocean basalt
Don’t scare me Lunerd
alpine hollow
if you actually study
you won't drop out
if you are a lazy shit
you will drop out
that's it
exotic barn
it's not germany-exclusive tbh
ocean basalt
That’s the same with everywhere tho isn’t it
exotic barn
lots of lazy bums in every uni around the world
ocean basalt
Yeah exactly
blazing harbor
it isn't only laziness, often they realize they aren't comfortable with what they're studying
exotic barn
as beautiful as BaWü and NRW (if it comes to that) and their universities are, you still have lots of other federal states and unis to choose from
yeah that's true as well, students can at least afford to change their mind when it comes to that
free uni and all
silent pilot
I changed my major too ^^
And btw: the unis in Eastern Germany are known to be well-funded
ocean basalt
Does the entrance requirements matter so much when you’re changing majors?
alpine hollow
(lass mich memem, simpsy :x)
what do you mean?
as long as you meet all requirements
you can always change
silent pilot
when you change your major you get treated like anybody else applying for the degree
ocean basalt
As in, now I can only do subject restricted application, due to my education background. Say I got into a major that’s in that restriction area, can I change to something else later?
alpine hollow
probably not
ocean basalt
Yeah way too cheeky
exotic barn
my Brazilian friend graduated in a private school in Schwerin, though he did suggest to me some good Eastern Germany student cities and such (though he didn't think highly of Dresden for political reasons 👀 ) Eastern Germany does have a lot of good unis too anyway
ocean basalt
How do I even do that though? 🤔
silent pilot
you still have to prove your admission to uni and if you have a restricted admission, you can't apply to anything outside of the field you are restricted to
ocean basalt
Yeah that makes sense
exotic barn
how do you have a restricted admission? is it if you attended a specialised secondary school or something like that?
alpine hollow
not sure if you are allowed to do abi on a student visa 🤔
alpine hollow
you could try to do your abi during your non study times
ocean basalt
@exotic barn Yeah that and the highschool profession both specialized area studies
alpine hollow
and then gain formal qualifications for everything
exotic barn
would that be pure sherry?
she said she's taking her abitur (or took, I don't remember)
because she moved to the states and stayed there for 10 years until she had to come back to de
alpine hollow
she isn't on a student visa tho
exotic barn
but yeah maybe you could try to do your abi if you can
alpine hollow
you can visit abendschulen/volkshochschulen to do your abi
ocean basalt
@alpine hollow I’ll be completely honest I’d much rather study for general uni exams here and transfer myself after a semester, rather than Abitur
alpine hollow
i mean you are the one who thinks about changing your major
ocean basalt
No I just asked if that’d be possible
exotic barn
that could work maybe, unis usually evaluate your time in uni too if you have that
alpine hollow
what do you mean?
ocean basalt
@alpine hollow the change of majors after restricted applications
I was only curious
alpine hollow
no i meant what rafi meant
exotic barn
oh
I've read that unis don't only evaluate your secondary school qualifications, if you spent some time in uni they take that into consideration as well
usually the first year (at least)
silent pilot
With the lectures and seminars you collect credit points for modules. Some of these modules can be transferred to your other major if their content and complexity are similar.
brisk lotus
And what @silent pilot mentioned can only be done after you are enrolled.
In the admission process generally only your secondary school qualifications are taken into account.
brisk lotus
Since I'm a single student, would my Steuerklasse be 1 ?
short lark
Yes.
brisk lotus
Gonna get my Tax-ID on Monday
then I'll be all set
btw I better not be registered as Christian, correct ?
to avoid the church tax
sick imp
Wow you don't want to give money to God? 🙄
brisk lotus
On a different occasion, but not my salary 🎉
short lark
Are you a member of a church according to records of your person?
brisk lotus
no
short lark
If no religion is listed, then you should be good.
brisk lotus
Cool, thanks.
brisk lotus
@harsh kettle well you always have the option not to
but for those who believe and want to take a part, there's the choice to pay
harsh kettle
in the paying context it makes sense, but we had that in a different way, that wasn't so aggresive. You could always give money to the church you go to, inside was a small box that accepted any kind of money
harsh kettle
Yeah, Serbia, orthodox Christianity
red phoenix
We talking german Steuer? Big part of it is the Solidaritätszuschlag. It looks like this
alpine hollow
ater 450€ per month or so for students
brisk lotus
it's gonna be more than 450 euro per month
alpine hollow
is it much more than?
brisk lotus
oh yea
brisk lotus
hehe
alpine hollow
then proceed
brisk lotus
I think my steuerklasse is 1
so I just need the tax-id
I'm not sure if the sozialversicherung is required
alpine hollow
mhh
not sure for eu-foreigners
but they need it for paying into your retirement
you either get it for your first work
or gotta ask your amt
but not sure how it is for you 🤔
alpine hollow
eh
if you never worked before in germany
i guess which this is
it will be alright
you will probably get it then if it matters for non-eu people 🤔
brisk lotus
yea true
I'll get it done this week
it takes up to 4 weeks per post
so I better go down there
torn crown
Hello! Wanted to ask, I am spending this semester in Germany (Koln) in a Gymnasium to improve/learn my German. Does anyone have any tips on how to make the most use out of my semester?
exotic barn
Köln* :)
vernal tundra
Kölle 
exotic barn
Psst 🤫
exotic barn
Stay away from other students doing the same thing and try and mingle with the locals
torn crown
I'm the only one who's from another country 😦
vernal tundra
😦
torn crown
Switzerland (the french part)
harsh kettle
Geneve?
torn crown
Geneva ye
silent pilot
Oh nice - where in Cologne?
harsh kettle
you wont speak german
torn crown
Ehrenfeld
exotic barn
Genf ist <3
harsh kettle
it's mostly frecnch there
torn crown
I think it's called
exotic barn
In cologne ?!
silent pilot
Yeah, that's in the north-west 👌
torn crown
ye exactly
silent pilot
Genf is mostly french
Cologne is in Germany
torn crown
and other than mingling in with the locals?
harsh kettle
I know genf people that grew up there and never leared german
torn crown
do they 
exotic barn
Thinking of interesting stuff around cologne
harsh kettle
french and english
silent pilot
Are you going to school there or are you a teacher trainee or something?
harsh kettle
i find it rather disgusting
exotic barn
👀
harsh kettle
@vernal tundra dont you?
vernal tundra
find what disgusting?
exotic barn
Immigrants
harsh kettle
You live in a country where you SHOULD speak german
vernal tundra
that switzerland has french and german regions?
harsh kettle
and you never do
exotic barn
4 official plus a fuckton more
But you all digressing
Instead of helping @torn crown
torn crown
lol
exotic barn
@torn crown there’s lots of interesting places near cologne but I don’t like the city in particular maybe @silent pilot as a local can help more there
harsh kettle
How long are you staying?
exotic barn
But just 40min south there’s the Drachenburg
torn crown
this semester... so half a year
silent pilot
it's a bit hard to suggest stuff when i don't know what you like to do ^^
exotic barn
Indeed
harsh kettle
or the other way around
torn crown
I mean... as in... I don't have anything to do atm... lol... I know nobody here...
torn crown
exotic barn
What is this nonsense
harsh kettle
you'll find english speaking young people
exotic barn
Edgy
torn crown
:*:  :*:
silent pilot
finding English speaking people won't help their German
silent pilot
The Phantasialand in Brühl is not too far away
exotic barn
Then you’ve done there is to do in cologne 👀
torn crown
and as for learning German in Germany, are there things I should be doing? things I should avoid? like speaking with English speakers and such...
exotic barn
That’s a given
You’ll be in school so that’s a good advantage. Easier to meet new people and practice
Avoid English / French as much as possible
torn crown
I see ye... and as for studying the german at home?I have a dictionary and several of these Mc Graw Hill German books on Grammar; Verbs; Voc and Pronouns&Preposistions... are there also any other resources, online or not, you would recommend?
harsh kettle
@green warren take a gaze at #resources
torn crown
there is another Blitz 
exotic barn
On that level school + social life should get you pretty good in 6 months
B1.2 yeah hehe b12 is the vitamin
torn crown
lol
and what should I be paying attention to/be doing during classes? I try to keep up but my vocabulary is quite narrow and therefore don't understand quite a bit of what the teacher says... also my grammar is a bit off as well so sometimes the teacher doesn't understand what I'm trying to say/ask...
exotic barn
You get a lot of people talking like they talk da.y to day with shitty telly
red phoenix
Are you suggesting to watch Berlin Tag&Nacht?
exotic barn
Frauentausch Nadine 😂
rose cedar
Be-erlin! Tag und nacht! Immerzu daran
gedacht!
I learned a lot of words from Frauentausch/similar shows
like Luftschlange
alpine hollow
@brisk lotus If you fail an exam for the ultimate time, you can't study the same studiengang again or a studiengang that is similar
though the second part is where it becomes interesting
it can be different everywhere what constitutes a "similar" studiengang
someone from my jahrgang failed a maths exam in computer science
and then proceeded to study bio computer science somewhere else
some studiengänge look at what exam you failed
and look up what is the closest equivalent in their own PO
if there is non, then you probably can study it
if there's an equivalent, you probably can't
you definitely can't study the same studiengang again, that you failed
but it's hard to say what other studiengänge you can't do either
brisk lotus
even if I failed in the nebenfach ?
alpine hollow
yes
brisk lotus
my nebenfach is soziologie though :/
alpine hollow
protip:
brisk lotus
that was a dumb move
alpine hollow
change your nebenfach before you fail it
brisk lotus
I tried to yesterday
all nebenfaecher start in wintersemester only
it's not that I failed it, I haven't taken any exam yet and I don't want to
choosing soziologie was dumb
alpine hollow
how did you do that?
brisk lotus
well with the bewerbung
alpine hollow
huh
really?
you have to include your nebenfach already?
lol
over here
you "choose" your nebenfach the moment you take an exam
brisk lotus
yea and yesterday I told her I want computerlinguistik, she said that it means I would be changing the hauptfach
since it's "Informatik plus Computerlinguistik"
alpine hollow
eh
brisk lotus
like a different studiengang
alpine hollow
is computerlinguistik a valid nebenfach for you?
you have to look at your valid nebenfächer
brisk lotus
brisk lotus
so basically the last three options are like different studiengang
alpine hollow
yeah so you have to choose from the list
brisk lotus
didn't know that, thought computerlinguistik was just like another nebenfach
brisk lotus
so I either have to live with Soziologie or wait next wintersemester to change
yea pain in the ass
BWL is more interesting
so I'm thinking about ignoring Soziologie this summer semester as well
then change to BWL in the winter
alpine hollow
they just don't want to deal with students changing their nebenfach
so they put up all these restrictions
lel
brisk lotus
well they should have better offers then lol
I mean Soziologie is fine
my only problem with it is the language
my German is good enough to understand everything and do math/cs
not write whole paragraphs about societies
I barely saw any auslaender students in soziologie lol
warped atlas
writing Thesis in German
Can concur
But definitely Germanistik or something like Soziologie would probably be worse
brisk lotus
I'll give it a shot this semester, otherwise I'll change to BWL in the winter
Meanwhile I'll continue to kick ass in teh Hauptfach
blazing harbor
that's a weird way to go on about things. here you don't even have to do all your Nebenfach classes in the same subject, you can combine up to 3. you can even do more than that and then once you completed everything you can choose the 3 with the best grades and even if you fail one of them you can just replace it with another
brisk lotus
that sounds waaaay better..
warped atlas
I just asked the coordinator (?) just last week to rearrange my Fächer so that I have the best graded ones shown in my list.
though I think even if I get full marks on my Thesis, I'd only get an average of 1.7 at the end... 😦
regal pecan
i hear german post secondary schools are heavily subsidized, and most tuitions are free or greatly reduced
is this true?
exotic barn
Depends on the state and wether you’re a resident already.
They started changing things for international students.
potent dew
AFAIK it's free apart from the public transportation ticket except in Baden Württemberg. An even there, only non EU residents pay tuition.
exotic barn
And IIRC they’re not „heavily subsidised“. They’re public institutions.
warped atlas
Starting from WS 2017, all non-EU university students except for exchange students (Even that I'm not sure, I only got one sample) in Baden-Württemberg needs to pay 1500 euro per semester as part of their "tuition" (I put quotes there, because Germany doesn't really have tuition fees, but more like administration fees)
regal pecan
Only 1500???
rose cedar
1500 more than before =(
regal pecan
That is still way less than american tuition
warped atlas
Exactly, Drachen
but for all of us here
it's a lot
it's basically a 1000% increase
exotic barn
How much was the tuition before?
exotic barn
That’s what I meant
warped atlas
take any friggin class you want for the whole semester
rose cedar
I was wondering
if there's a class you're interested in but you don't want to really take
exotic barn
Whoa pretty cheap compared to even other bundeslaender
rose cedar
can you just pop in sometimes?
warped atlas
Never tried it, Snek, but theoretically it's possible
exotic barn
For Vorlesungen yes
rose cedar
Yeah for Vorlesungen I mean
exotic barn
There’s so many people already that I don’t think they check it
warped atlas
In my HS anyway, you can take any Vorlesungen you want, but if you wanna take the Prüfungen at the end of the semester to get the grades, you need to sign in at the very end of the semester
that's about it, really
I had taken 2 extra Vorlesungen (totalling to 9 classes) in my 2nd semester
exotic barn
Runner, are you studying in germany?
exotic barn
Ohhh what do you study?
warped atlas
I know about that BaWü fee, heck I participated as well at the protest in Heidelberg against that
too bad it still went on anyway
Informationstechnik
exotic barn
Do you think they’ll abolish it again?
warped atlas
I do not think so
not anytime soon anyway
and this trend seems to be "catching on"
NRW is supposedly next
but I haven't been following that
exotic barn
Oh no :c
exotic barn
I think nemo said nrw prolly wont do it tho?
ocean basalt
What if we got into a NRW uni and they change the fee to 3637373783 euros after we're in, does it still apply to us?
regal pecan
unless they change tuitions to match american tuitions, then im not worried
warped atlas
@ocean basalt I'm a case example
exotic barn
I’m not but I’m in eu anyways so i dont mind that much
warped atlas
I came in SS 2016
and now I'm still immatrikuliert for SS 2018
after the Studiengebührgesetz
I still just pay the 150 euros fee
exotic barn
Oh cool
warped atlas
there was a scare though during the Rückmeldung in WS2017
I saw in my Studiumverwaltung that I have an extra 1500 euro that I needed to pay
all of us the international students panicked for 4 days
turns out it was an IT error
ocean basalt
Oh that must've been a relief
exotic barn
The greatest prank of 2017
exotic barn
250-300
warped atlas
Please, the greatest prank of 2017 is Germany running without a Regierung for 6-9 months until March 2018
ocean basalt
@exotic barn I mean, that’s still doable?
warped atlas
BaWü also originally had the highest paid graduates if I remember correctly...
exotic barn
Or maybe it doesn’t include the travel ticket? Idk
warped atlas
like, the people who graduated and then worked in the Bundesland
ocean basalt
Didn’t bawü make the tuitions 1500?
exotic barn
It used to be 150
warped atlas
@exotic barn Mine doesn't include any Semestertiket
exotic barn
Icic
exotic barn
It’s usually 300 semesterticket included
ocean basalt
I used to think that I should skip NRW altogether because of fees, man I was dumb
warped atlas
I think Berlin-Brandenburg cost only 90 Euros, for the Semestertiket....
exotic barn
???? Nrw isn’t expensive tho?
ocean basalt
Ye I was mistaken, that’s the point XD
warped atlas
Maybe he's thinking Living costs....
exotic barn
But nrw ticket can be used for train in the whole state
warped atlas
I mean, after München in Bayern, I think NRW's quite expensive
that's true, Suzu
My Semestertiket doesn't really work like that
which is really shitty
exotic barn
Super convenient for traveling
warped atlas
heck, I can't go to Stuttgart with my Semestertiket
exotic barn
For munich it’s like till 50km around the city
ocean basalt
Can’t you live somewhere a bit far and still go to NRW with the semestertriket then?
ocean basalt
Ah i see
exotic barn
Which is the whole state tho, you should be able to find a cheap place somewhere???
warped atlas
I think I heard Essen is okay for living...
exotic barn
I was for a month in bonn, it was nice there
ocean basalt
Only if Osnabrück Hochschule would respond any faster I’d start thinking :)))
exotic barn
Eyes, going only to kiel or applying somewhere else too?
ocean basalt
I couldn’t understand you
ocean basalt
Eh no, well Kiel is one of the places I consider 👀
exotic barn
Oh ic 👀
ocean basalt
Which areas of Germany do you guys think are best for medical studies, as in, anything but medicine, dentistry etc.
rose cedar
what are non-medicine medical studies?
ocean basalt
eh, I couldn't use my silly English skills
so for example, nursing, certain therapies etc
ocean basalt
I couldn't explain myself the best anyway Snek, all good now that it makes sense 😛
@warped atlas I'd be really happy if you do so
warped atlas
you really have to be specific
cause then I'll be specific as well when asking
my ex-flatmate will also probably not be able to help much if she doesn't know the details
ocean basalt
Ah okay okay, so, I'm planning to be studying Physiotherapie
But there are some majors that have Physiotherapie combined with Ergotherapie, Logopädie and some others, I also don't know if this is logical to apply to those
Since Physiotherapie is the main in all options here, I think it's best to ask that @warped atlas
exotic barn
Hallo 👋🏻 ich überlege in deutschland zu studieren, ich habe schon ein bisschen darüber gelesen und es gibt ja ganz viele seiten über das thema, jedoch weiß ich immernoch nicht was zuerst man machen muss, ich stell mir vor es wäre entweder, meine hochschulzugangsberechtigung der hochschule in der ich studieren möchte schicken, oder den testdaf oder andere solche Prüfung machen um meine deutschkenntnisse nachzuweisen, ich hoffe jmd kann mir weiterhelfen, danke im voraus!
brisk lotus
You'll need your school leaving certificate as well as a language certificate.
@exotic barn
This is a list of accepted tests
https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/c2c60c26-5648-4fe6-9264-cc6df6e9b13c.png
It may differ from one uni to another, but it's generally the same
exotic barn
aber ich kann solche prüfungen noch nicht bestehen, deswegen finde ich dass es vllt besser wäre, wenn ich erstmal meine hochschulzugangsberechtigung der hochschule schicke, sodass ich nicht so viel zeit verschwende falls ich nicht aufgenommen werde, aber ich weiß es nicht ob es überhaupt geht
@brisk lotus
brisk lotus
was willst du studieren ?
exotic barn
rechts und wirtschaftswissenschaftliche fakultät möchte ich studieren, bin jedoch nicht komplett sicher
benötigt man apropos level c1 um so eine prüfung zu bestehen?
brisk lotus
oder B2
exotic barn
schon besser XD
ich habe ein bisschen davon was ihr geschrieben habt gelesen und anscheinend studierst du schon in deutschland, was empfiehlst du?
brisk lotus
was meinst du
exotic barn
Sollte ich schon anfangen für die prüfung zu lernen oder erstmals mein zeugnis prüfen lassen?
civic sail
Hi so the 8000 euro thing you need in Germany, do you need to show them 8000 eur each year or only on your first year?
rose cedar
Per year I believe
civic sail
that'd be very expensive
rose cedar
it's not like you pay them the 8000
you just need to prove that you have sufficient funds to live there
civic sail
i know
queen holly
What is the difference between "Ja" and "Jawohl"? Google Translate isn't helpful
rose cedar
Ja is more generally used, Jawohl is strong,
IDK I'm not a native speaker and don't live in a DACH country
when I've heard it in when I was in Switzerland it was mostly said sarcastically
red fog
It's funny because the Norwegian equivalent of "jawohl" is like "Okay, I'll do it, now piss off and stop nagging me"😂
rose cedar
haha
brisk lotus
Good question, keep working on it.
queen holly
Thanks. That was bugging me since I started learning German
radiant stump
Hi
l wanna to learn german but i don't know where to start !
fleet pelican
exotic barn
tawdry frost
on a scale of yes to no, how good of an idea would it be to move to berlin or somewhere and try to learn to be a computer scientist programmorator person with no experience at the university while leeching off family for money?
fleet pelican
if you're alright with the work it takes
and I'd suggest
being good at what you do before expecting it to support you
so learning and being confident before you move may help
tawdry frost
I gotta figure out the prerequisites for the course
exotic barn
EU Citizen?
tight kelp
not a very good idea unless you want to get into uni or already have a cv that can get you a job
rose cedar
Oops I worded that poorly
I meant with no experience in the subject but I'd be going to uni
formal temple
rose cedar
SalüüÜ Chäääs!!!
formal temple
! hoi
tight kelp
well if you want to study there your chances are the same as all the others who do/did the same :P
Iirc students aren't allowed to work more than a little, so you should make sure you have enough resources and plan well in advance
formal temple
In Switzerland the amount of time you can work (as a foreign student) is around 15 hours, but it varies depending on cantons.
exotic barn
I think it’s the same in Germany.
20 Stunden hier 🤔
But that’s still under minijob rules.
So 10 15 or 20 pay is the same. 450€
tight kelp
Yes I think it's 15 hours here in de
chilly narwhal
minijob is any job that pays up to 400~450€ per month 😮
part time is everything above up to 30h/week
depends on what you earn ;^(
I work 20h part time
exotic barn
without Ausbildung?
brisk lotus
@chilly narwhal and correct me if I'm wrong, I believe a werkstudent is allowed to work up to 20h per week
at least that's what I have here
brisk lotus
and anyway for non-EU students there's a limited amount of hours per year
120 full days per year if I remember correctly
remote sun
What are DACH countries?
exotic barn
Germany, Austria, Switzerland
sick imp
Good job 0x1.
exotic barn
Thank you, Arrem
remote sun
What does DACH stand for?
exotic barn
Germany D Austria A Switzerland CH
vernal tundra
Because Deatch was just a bit too ugly (DE, AT, CH) also Dach is actually a word 😄
fallen roost
I have a new question
I just got an offer for a paid internship in Germany, does this count as employment? I read somewhere that I cannot work on a study visa
Or at least, only on holiday
exotic barn
I like Luxembourg.
warped atlas
@ocean basalt yo, sorry that it takes me a while. I asked my flatmate, and she doesn't know, sorry 😦
stable talon
I want to print off a sign to hang on my door that will keep people from knocking and offering me magazines or whatever other nonsense. In English I would use the words "No Soliciting;" according to dict.cc an equivalent phrase auf deutsch ist Betteln und Hausieren verboten!
My question is, do you think that will do the trick?
The other thing that bothers me is that someone had to let these people into the building in the first place. Do you open your door for whoever rings the doorbell without being sure they have a real reason to come in?
sick imp
Just write heck off.
warped atlas
@stable talon I see that there's a sticker that people put on the Briefkasten (keine Anzeige oder Broschüren, bitte)
tight kelp
personally i do (open whenever) because there's no Haustelefon here lul
warped atlas
and since I live in a student's dorm, we don't get any Bettlers and whatnot
but no idea for people who're in the city
stable talon
Thanks for the advice! I'll make a thorough sign then with all of the above. 😉
tight kelp
i only get brochures about I dunno, once or twice a month or even less, they leave them int he mailbox
it's not that big of a problem, if at all
brisk lotus
yea if you don't like it just throw it away
but sometimes there are some nice offers
astral talon
All join
warped atlas
Other than LinkedIn, Xing.com, Monster.de, maybe even Glassdoor.de...what other Job site should I be looking through and maybe send my Resumes through?
alpine hollow
i think those are the biggest ones 🤔
try asking your uni btw
they sometimes can help get connections
warped atlas
As an Ausländer (who will be getting his Abschluss soon) is it possible to look through Arbeitsagentur?
alpine hollow
i think yes
warped atlas
I'll ask around the HS when I am giving my MA the day after tomorrow
humble kindle
Maybe stepstone.de as well
warped atlas
@brisk lotus I will finish by this week, and the Kolloquium next month
in the meantime, I still have an Aufenthaltstitel that lasts for a year (which is linked to my HS actually)
brisk lotus
So you'll have nothing to do in this year related to your HS ?
warped atlas
Technically once I exmatriculate, I can't use that Ausweis anymore and must apply for a Jobsucher
then I'll get the one year thing
brisk lotus
When do you exmatriculate ?
warped atlas
So essentially I have slightly more than a year
Erhh...Probably May
That's the fastest
honestly, I don't know the process of having to exmatrikulate, really
I thought that when you finish with your Kolloquium, you essentially just need to wait for the Abschluss, and you're effectively out of the Uni
warped atlas
Never learned a step by step bureaucracy to exmatrikulate
brisk lotus
You'll have to let the auslaenderamt know that you have exmatricualted
then you'll get that one year to look for a job
Whenever your status of the intended stay changes, you have to let them know
warped atlas
Yeah Luna, I know that. I mean, I just never had been told from the very start like, "Okay guys, when you finish your Kolloquium, you need to go to the Dean's secretary and ask to be exmatriculated from the school. Once done, you're finished and you get your degree"
Yeah Effective, It's just gonna be weird meeting the same lady again after only like....2 months, and it's like, "Why the hell are you back here again? I thought I've given you one year on the Aufenthaltstitel? smh"
warped atlas
Yes
brisk lotus
But you're not anymore
warped atlas
It's an extension of my previous one
brisk lotus
Once you're out of the uni you have to let them know
It's to prevent any problems in future extensions
warped atlas
technically if a police stops me on the train, and I still have that card, though I have exmatriculated, they won't know the difference, won't they?
brisk lotus
they won't
alpine hollow
they won't
brisk lotus
the office will know when you wanna extend again
warped atlas
and they can backtrack my previous application
warped atlas
I know that as well
Idk Luna, so far I've never had that issue
except when I was crossing over from Spain to France in a small city
they asked for my passport
brisk lotus
by police I also mean border control
they won't know
but when you wanna extend next year after finding a job, they'll be like buuuuut you weren't on a job search visa and you've been out of uni for a year
why don't we know that ?
warped atlas
I know, I won't push my luck and do something like that
at most I'd extend a month, meaning I apply for the Jobseeker in June
brisk lotus
and then you might be able to do something about it using a lawyer, but too much of a hassle
warped atlas
since I would only be able to exmatriculate earliest in May
brisk lotus
My suggestion is to keep them updated with every status change
yea sure
even one or two months later is fine
as long as they see that you're not playing around