general-2

[thick charm]

you kinda didn't

[pine ginkgo]

looks like the middle of the clause for me

[ocean robin]

oh true

[thick charm]

Also

[ocean robin]

I thought the und started another clause because idk 👀

[thick charm]

Which case do you think Spielzeuge is in?

[ocean robin]

welp

Dative?

[thick charm]

yup

And what do we do when it's Dativ Plural?

[ocean robin]

-n at the end

[thick charm]

yup

[ocean robin]

Eine Piñata ist ein Behälter, der mit Süßigkeiten geschmückt ist, Spielzeuge oder Saisonfrucht gefüllt. Like that? 🤔

[hot cloak]

it is decorated with toys and sweets and also it is filled with Toys and sweets

[thick charm]

Not every comma indicates a new clause

[hot cloak]

see?

[thick charm]

the comma here simply starts a series of items. the subordinate clause still ends at the very end of the sentence.

[ocean robin]

wooot

[hot cloak]

you don't say "...weil ich Bücher lesen möchte, Spiele spielen"

[ocean robin]

So there's the 2 participles and the ist at the end?

[thick charm]

Exactly

[ocean robin]

woot

[thick charm]

', der geschmückt und [...] gefüllt ist'

[hot cloak]

you say "...weil ich Bücher lesen und Spiele spielen möchte"

[ocean robin]

Eine Piñata ist ein Behälter, der mit Süßigkeiten geschmückt, Spielzeuge oder Saisonfrucht gefüllt ist.

[pine ginkgo]

🤔

[hot cloak]

no

[ocean robin]

🤔

[thick charm]

It's not decorated with sweets

[pine ginkgo]

http://prntscr.com/h5seuj

[thick charm]

only filled with them

[ocean robin]

oh shoot

[hot cloak]

@🦊 Floppsel 🦊 A piñata is a container which is decorated and filled with sweets, toys or seasonal fruit.

[ocean robin]

okay so let's do as I said

Eine Piñata ist ein Behälter, der mit Süßigkeiten, Spielzeuge oder Saisonfrucht geschmückt und gefüllt ist. Is the extra und right there?

[pine ginkgo]

do you remember what chuck said earlier? :)

like basically his first words concerning this sentence

http://prntscr.com/h5sgtz

[ocean robin]

🤔

ops

👀

[pine ginkgo]

10 mins ago

[quasi merlin]

Fläppy, it's decorated, but not decorated with sweets, toys and seasonal fruit.

[ocean robin]

Whoa.

[thick charm]

I tried telling her that twice now, Mika

[ocean robin]

So first let's correct the dative plural and then this

[quasi merlin]

Try making the same sentence without having it decorated with sweets etc.

[ocean robin]

But how can we do this 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

try doing what mika tells you

[ocean robin]

mmh

I am gonna try again and see 🤔

[thick charm]

Let's do it together

Let's build the bare-bones structure first

[ocean robin]

oki dokie

[thick charm]

Try to write the sentence in its most basic way

without naming what the Pinata is filled with

Just that it's decorated and filled

[timber glade]

I can and will decorate Pinatas with sweets

(jk you're doing great sweetie)

[thick charm]

That's why you're banned

[ocean robin]

:o

[thick charm]

So we already have the main clause down

[ocean robin]

yep

[thick charm]

Eine Piñata ist ein Behälter, der

Go from here

try to say it's decorated and filled

Doesn't matter with what exactly it's filled

[ocean robin]

Doesn't matter with what exactly it's filled? Then the 2 participles and the ist are in there right?

[thick charm]

yup

Those are all we need right now

we'll fill in the rest later

[ocean robin]

like Eine Piñata ist ein Behälter, der geschmückt und gefüllt ist

[thick charm]

You won't learn anything from this if you struggle with word order right now. You need to grasp the basic structure of what the sentence is saying first of all.

Nice

So, the 'geschmückt' part is already done. We know it's decorated, that's all the original sentence said.

[timber glade]

Chuck can you teach me German, too? you're doing it so well---

[thick charm]

So where do we put the 'mit'?

I don't teach people who decorate their pinatas with sweets, sorry.

[ocean robin]

:o

[keen chasm]

before dative!!

[ocean robin]

Before the und, eh.

[keen chasm]

and ohne before akkusativ

[thick charm]

Yup, the mit indicates that the next words need to be dative.

[ocean robin]

wait

[thick charm]

not before the und

the opposite

[ocean robin]

ah

[thick charm]

It's filled with things, not decorated with things. We're already done with the decorating part.

The original sentence never said what it's decorated with

[ocean robin]

yeah

[thick charm]

Eine Piñata ist ein Behälter, der geschmückt und [...] ist.

[cold vessel]

The original sentence is ambiguous 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

they mostly are

buuuut

critical thinking

[cold vessel]

What's that?

[ocean robin]

Eine Piñata ist ein Behälter, der geschmückt und mit Süßigkeiten, Spielzeugen oder Saisonfrucht gefüllt ist 🤔

[timber glade]

I agree with hen

[thick charm]

You're right, but it's implied. And for the sake of simplicity we're just doing it that way,

[ocean robin]

Is approuval?

[thick charm]

yes

[pine ginkgo]

i don't like the singular Saisonfrucht

but

otherwise

[thick charm]

Likewise if you wanted to say it's both decorated and filled with sweets. you'd say
'Eine Piñata ist ein Behälter, der mit Süßigkeiten, Spielzeugen oder Saisonfrucht geschmückt und gefüllt ist'

[shy bobcat]

isn't really the most positive of emojis IMO, but maybe I'm just too used to Flops misusing it

[cold vessel]

"approval", flappy. Stop being so French 😛

[thick charm]

decorated and filled

[ocean robin]

[whole rapids]

now give passive sentence

[thick charm]

Do you understand why it works that way, Flappy?

[ocean robin]

yus Chuck, thanks for the explanation by the way

pferd plox

I am afraid 👀

[thick charm]

You're welcome. Please don't be too shy to ask questions.

[ocean robin]

Sure.

[thick charm]

Alright. Time for Chuck to get something to stuff in his mouth

Somebody else take over

[ocean robin]

lel

I should eat too but there's nothing in the fridge 😦

[dapper goblet]

Bonk

[torn latch]

hello

it's me

[viscid cape]

😂

[whole rapids]

give sentence @viscid cape

pls

[viscid cape]

To whom

[whole rapids]

to me

[viscid cape]

You're the same level as I though, I don't have anything cool to give

You should ask a blue-ey

[whole rapids]

eh, it'll be the same difference

[ocean robin]

yap

[whole rapids]

you need more grammar points

[sudden panther]

Flops is a yellow duck that has constant headaches. g

[ocean robin]

😦

[whole rapids]

Arrem has given you a sentence

translate it now

[sudden panther]

Wooooooo I did it reddit.

[ocean robin]

pfffffft

[viscid cape]

Okay, so I'll give you only one as an appetiser 😄 Had Pferd known that Kryptik was on the same level as he, he wouldn't have asked to be given a sentence

[whole rapids]

shouild be easy

[ocean robin]

as him 🤔

[viscid cape]

Why him

[ocean robin]

Now I am skeptical about he and him now

[viscid cape]

👁u👁

[cold vessel]

Pretty sure it's "him" 🤔

[ocean robin]

^

[cold vessel]

Shouldn't it be "Kryptik was" as well?

[ocean robin]

You already said the subjects

[thick charm]

yeah pretty sure it should be him

or he was

[viscid cape]

Just add a verb: "had Pferd known that Kryptik is on the same level as he (is)

[quasi merlin]

Adding a verb there makes it a mess in German

[cold vessel]

@shy bobcat

[viscid cape]

Yeah, I mean adding a verb to make it clear that it's nominative

[pine ginkgo]

are you sure you wanna give this sentence to flops?

🤔

[viscid cape]

No, it's for pferd

[pine ginkgo]

oh

alright then

[viscid cape]

He poofed though so

[pine ginkgo]

pferd wants a sentence 🤔

[viscid cape]

You should be giving him sentences, not I

[pine ginkgo]

you even included passive

how sweet of you

i am not giving any sentences

[shy bobcat]

Whom pang

[viscid cape]

@cold vessel the snail did

The viking snail

[cold vessel]

Is the "he" in the first clause of krypti's sentence correct, ari?

[ocean robin]

Can I try it?

[shy bobcat]

Yes @cold vessel but its slightly elevated

"As him" or "as he is" would be more typical

[viscid cape]

Ari Zone since you're at it, would it be correct to say "Had X known that Y had been on the same level as..." correct?

[pine ginkgo]

don't try it, flops

[viscid cape]

@ocean robin Yes you may, Pferd is gone

[ocean robin]

:D

[pine ginkgo]

you deal with that sentence

then

[shy bobcat]

um..

[viscid cape]

Luna PM'd me saying he'd help you with corrections

[ocean robin]

:o

okay

[viscid cape]

👁u👁

[shy bobcat]

@viscid cape what would the full sentence br

[ocean robin]

Had Pferd known that Kryptik was on the same level as he, he wouldn't have asked to be given a sentence

[whole rapids]

I was trying to figure out how to include the passive voice

but yolo

Had Pferd known that Kryptik is on the same level as he, he wouldn't have asked to be given a sentence
Hätte Pferd gewusst, dass Kryptik das gleiche Niveau wie er hat, er hätte nicht gebeten, einen Satz zu bekommen

[viscid cape]

Had Pferd known that Kryptik was on the same level as he, he wouldn't have asked to be given a sentence

[ocean robin]

bamm too slow

[pine ginkgo]

worder order

[shy bobcat]

@viscid cape I'm gonna say no to the had been tbh

[pine ginkgo]

and i would change the verb a bit to make it sound nice

[whole rapids]

which verb?

[viscid cape]

@shy bobcat Alright, sankyu

[pine ginkgo]

gebeten

more clarified, adding a preposition

also still word order

[viscid cape]

@ocean robin To be fair, you wouldn't learn much doing that

[whole rapids]

Hätte Pferd gewusst, dass Kryptik das gleiche Niveau wie er hat, hätte er nicht darum gebeten, einen Satz zu bekommen

[pine ginkgo]

mhh

not sure if you'd also change the the verb in the subordinate clause to konj 1

but otherwise it's fine

[tribal warren]

Where were you Pferd

Horsing Around?

[thick charm]

I think that's fine as it is

[whole rapids]

what you mean

[pine ginkgo]

yeah

[tribal warren]

I may get my medal now

[thick charm]

hat/hätte

[pine ginkgo]

habe

[thick charm]

oh

[whole rapids]

oh, do you want the hidden phase?

[thick charm]

Yeah no that's too posh

[tribal warren]

ne

[thick charm]

hat works just fine

[whole rapids]

Flaps turn

[viscid cape]

@whole rapids I wanna see that infinitive in passive

👁u👁

[pine ginkgo]

no

krypti

no

[whole rapids]

I don't know how tbh, I was trying to figure it out and look it up but it seems needless

[pine ginkgo]

yes

[viscid cape]

It's not about being necessary

It's about being

Grammatically beautiful

[whole rapids]

u do it then pretty boy

My apartment is being searched. @ocean robin

[ocean robin]

NOOOOOO

D:

[whole rapids]

you know this tense for passive

we repeat until you know it anyway

[shy bobcat]

Meine Außerdemheit ist seiend gesucht

[whole rapids]

bad Ari

[ocean robin]

Meine Wohnung wird gesucht

[whole rapids]

I give you a sentence

[ocean robin]

perfect Ari

I like it

[whole rapids]

that's good but durchsuchen is better

[shy bobcat]

good ari

[ocean robin]

okay pferd

[pine ginkgo]

flopper's flat disappeared

just like bell's

[shy bobcat]

😦

[ocean robin]

But good thingo is that I knew all the wordos in there \o/ why am I proud about that

[viscid cape]

Hätte Pferd gewusst, dass Kryptik das gleiche Niveau wie er habe, hätte er nicht darum gebeten, dass ihm ein Satz gegeben werden sollte You can't really use infinitive I'm afraid

That sounds messy as f

[pine ginkgo]

... warum abgegeben?

[viscid cape]

Just geben?

[pine ginkgo]

yes

you could have used bekommen too

i was a bit surprised you changed the verb

[viscid cape]

How would bekommen be

[whole rapids]

translate the news The latest incident has sparked debate about the security of the president's account, given the potential consequences of posts falsely attributed to Mr Trump being published. @shy bobcat

[pine ginkgo]

mbhh

actually

nvm that

[ocean robin]

the first thing I saw in Pferd's sentence is genitive

wow

[whole rapids]

you like gentive

[ocean robin]

[pine ginkgo]

btw flops

how about you fix your sentence

[ocean robin]

where

how

[whole rapids]

Translate My parents' sister's apartment was searched yesterday.

[pine ginkgo]

http://prntscr.com/h5wi8n

really

[ocean robin]

ops

[pine ginkgo]

i hate your gold fish memory

i really hate it

[quasi merlin]

Both parents have the same sister??

[ocean robin]

Sorry Solet

[quasi merlin]

Wat

[whole rapids]

incest

[ocean robin]

^

.<

[whole rapids]

okay I make it more logical, wasn't braining

[quasi merlin]

That's a very complicated way to say "aunt" btw.

[viscid cape]

Brb going to eat, keep going my pupil.

[whole rapids]

Translate My parents' friend's apartment was searched yesterday.

[cold vessel]

"My aunt" isn't genitive enough for Pferd

[whole rapids]

damn straight

[ocean robin]

Meine Wohnung wird durchgesucht

[pine ginkgo]

no

i wanted to make an in b4

[ocean robin]

the fuck is that Pferd 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

but too late

no, flops

look up the participle

[quasi merlin]

Flops, is durchsuchen separable?

[pine ginkgo]

or do what mika says

he smart

[ocean robin]

yes 🤔

[quasi merlin]

Mööp

No

[ocean robin]

wat

[pine ginkgo]

möööp

[ocean robin]

TIL.

[quasi merlin]

You know how to form the participle when it's inseparable, right?

[ocean robin]

Meine Wohnung wird durchsucht

I just saw that lel 🤔

[quasi merlin]

Äh

Okay, there are two "durchsuchen"s

But we have the inseparable one here. :P

[ocean robin]

Oki dokie.

I am afraid about that sentence 👀

the heck is those genitives

[cold vessel]

That genitive is lovely

[ocean robin]

My parents' friend's apartment was searched yesterday.

no it isn't

[shy bobcat]

Das neuste Ereignis hat eine Debatte über die Sicherheit des Kontos des Präsidenten ausgelöst angesichts der möglichen Konsequenzen der Veröffentlichung Trump falsch zugesprochener Posts. @whole rapids

[ocean robin]

It looks so scary 👀

[pine ginkgo]

artikel

teeeis

artikel

you fuck

[shy bobcat]

wo denn

[pine ginkgo]

DEBATTE?

[quasi merlin]

Debatte

[shy bobcat]

eine

😄

[pine ginkgo]

danke

anderes wort für Veröffentlichen

bittw

[cold vessel]

flappy, genitives are easy when translating, you just first convert the English possessive to the "of" form

[pine ginkgo]

das keine substantivierung ist

[shy bobcat]

🤔

[pine ginkgo]

also wrong case

for Posts

[shy bobcat]

That should be genitive 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

mhh

🤔

oh

alright then

still

[shy bobcat]

zugesprochen__er__

[pine ginkgo]

another word for veröffentlichen

that doesn't come from a verb turned noun

go

[shy bobcat]

Umm

[quasi merlin]

Idek, Luna xD

[pine ginkgo]

VERÖFFENTLICHUNG

[quasi merlin]

Oh

[pine ginkgo]

i mean it works fine with the verb turned noun

[quasi merlin]

Daran habe ich sogar gedacht

[shy bobcat]

Ich war kurz weg 👀

[pine ginkgo]

but i just dislike using them if there is a proper noun

[shy bobcat]

Aber ja Veröffentlichung

Aufm Handy, muss discord verlassen um zu googeln

[ocean robin]

Die Wohnung des Freundes meiner Eltern wurde gestern durchsucht. the fuck was that 👀

[pine ginkgo]

hehe

[shy bobcat]

😅

[ocean robin]

I hate that genitive so much halp

[cold vessel]

Why?

[pine ginkgo]

we don't know henbri

[copper pike]

Hit him
Violence solves these kind of problems

[pine ginkgo]

just cause it's genitive

[ocean robin]

Was sooo confusing at first

and what solet sez too

But is it right? 🤔

[shy bobcat]

Why are genitives especially hard for flop/why does she hate them especially

🤔

[ocean robin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sudden panther]

She's just a meme.

[ocean robin]

We will never know.

[pine ginkgo]

because flops fucked up when she learned genitive

and now has a fear for it

[ocean robin]

yes

[pine ginkgo]

for no other reason

[whole rapids]

looks right

[ocean robin]

what the fuck

[sudden panther]

shouldn't she be afraid of everything else as well then?

[pine ginkgo]

also she doubts herself whatever she does

[shy bobcat]

I feel like she wouldn't always miss order genitives if she translated out of French

[pine ginkgo]

eh

[whole rapids]

2 grammar points for you

[pine ginkgo]

maybe

but we did that in the beginning

[shy bobcat]

Since they're in the same order

[pine ginkgo]

and it didn't work out

[ocean robin]

That's what I did there, Ari

worked

[cold vessel]

But it works if you use the "of" possessive in English too 🤔

[ocean robin]

"The apartment of my friend of my parents"

[fair iron]

It's better to fail over and over again than it is to walk through life uncertain about everything.

[cold vessel]

"my friend"? 🤔

[shy bobcat]

@cold vessel its also her native language tho if she does it into French 😛

[ocean robin]

ops

You get what I mean.

And hellow Casca.

Well I think my self-esteem increased a... little bit?

[fair iron]

Hey. ^^

[cold vessel]

I just try to learn what I need to translate from Norwegian and what I need to translate from English 😅

[ocean robin]

A very very little bit. 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

flops

it is still very important

[ocean robin]

solet

yes

I am trying very hard

[pine ginkgo]

it is very nice, that you can make sentences correct on the first try

[sudden panther]

What you need to translate from Norwegian:
•
What you need to translate from English:
•
After hitting B and building up a solid vocabulary it's time to star thinking in German as well instead of relying on other languages. 😉

[pine ginkgo]

but it's more important to be able to see by yourself why it is correct

[cold vessel]

Too much work, arrem

[pine ginkgo]

if you make a correct sentence, but can't recognize why it's correct on your own

it's only slightly better than a random guess

[shy bobcat]

Das ist doch nicht zu viel Arbeit, das ist lernen

👀

[cold vessel]

Ehh

[shy bobcat]

Vergib mir Großschreibung, ich bin auf dem Handy

😄

[whole rapids]

Flaps, fix sentence: Mein Wohnung werde morgen durchsuchen worden.

[ocean robin]

*durchsucht

🤔

[whole rapids]

all mistakes

[viscid cape]

pinches Floppo's cheeks

uuuwauuuwa

[ocean robin]

Meine Wohnung wird morgen durchsucht worden.

[pine ginkgo]

all mistakes

:)

[ocean robin]

Krypti :D

[shy bobcat]

😅

[ocean robin]

ops there are mistakes left? 🤔

[sudden panther]

"Dr. Floop, this guy has gangrene, lupus, the plague, scoliosis,smallpox, and a cut on his wrist. You have to help him!"
Flops sticks a bandaid on the cut
"DONE"

[whole rapids]

he'd prob die regardless

[shy bobcat]

it says something like "my apartment will been searched"

[viscid cape]

Lol Pferd

[ocean robin]

Will have been searched is the right one?

[shy bobcat]

I assume so

Idk

[whole rapids]

no

this is for Futur I

[ocean robin]

🤔

I am sure there's a haben there

[tribal warren]

It's very close Flapps

[ocean robin]

let's try

[tribal warren]

at least I think it is

[pine ginkgo]

flops

[tribal warren]

if you're intended to do future 1

[pine ginkgo]

did you write down how to form passiveg

[sudden panther]

It is. But she's about to meme it up.

[pine ginkgo]

in your notebook like you wanted to do yesterday?

consult those notes

[ocean robin]

mmh

[placid heath]

Nabend ihr memes. Nabend Flutulf. Nabend SolelTuna

[tribal warren]

Nabend Erdogan

[sudden panther]

I bet Floop says fuck you to her notes every night before bed.

Hey Korea.

[shy bobcat]

Tach, 🇰🇵

[placid heath]

Oh, Floppo being rude and bullying ppl?

[sudden panther]

As usual.

[ocean robin]

"Hey notebook. Fuck you and good night."

[placid heath]

Dear Diary, fuck you.

[ocean robin]

[sudden panther]

See Flooper. That's why you suck.

[ocean robin]

😦

[sudden panther]

You're supposed to love your notes and talk to them.

[placid heath]

Pretend your notes are fox babies.

[sudden panther]

Have an imaginary friend called Notey McNoteface that gives you all the best German tips. That's my secret.

[placid heath]

Would you say fuck you to a fox baby?

[viscid cape]

😂

[ocean robin]

no D:

[placid heath]

See.

[whole rapids]

FLOPPER

[sudden panther]

Fuck you mister bunny, eat shit mister bear!

[whole rapids]

SENTENCE

[ocean robin]

BUT

OKAY I'LL TRY

[whole rapids]

YOU WANT THE GRAMMAR POINTS?

[shy bobcat]

🦊 SENTENCE 🦊

[pine ginkgo]

just look at your notes

[shy bobcat]

There now you can't object

[pine ginkgo]

and look up what tenses it can be

[shy bobcat]

It has foxes so you must say yes

[sudden panther]

https://youtu.be/zKxjBsO-Bvk?t=30s qwolity vintage meme

[tribal warren]

Have an imaginary friend called Notey McNoteface that gives you all the best German tips. That's my secret.

Arrem I feel sad for you

I bet Notey McNoteface does too

:C

[placid heath]

Ha, berg, as if you had more irl friends than arrememe.

[tribal warren]

true

[pine ginkgo]

flops fell into her notes

🤔

[sudden panther]

I have millions of friends.

Since everyone in is my friend. Except the baddoes.

[tribal warren]

My friends' circle is complex

They're all imaginary

[placid heath]

^

[sudden panther]

Hehe.

Why don't you have one that teaches you German then?

[shy bobcat]

🤔

[placid heath]

Imaginary numbers can't teach you german.

[tribal warren]

^

[sudden panther]

Not with that attitude.

[pine ginkgo]

can you give bergi something to do

[tribal warren]

Im eating rn

I've been eating so much junk food lately I feel like I can die at anytime

[ocean robin]

seems like I write all but not present perfect >.<

[whole rapids]

so you wrote Futur I down?

[ocean robin]

Meine Wohnung wird morgen durchsucht worden haben. That I think? 🤔

[whole rapids]

that's Futur II

[ocean robin]

shiet

[pine ginkgo]

not even

[whole rapids]

also wrong

[ocean robin]

mmmh

[pine ginkgo]

what do your notes say for futur 1 passiv

flops

[placid heath]

It is wrong. Sad.

[ocean robin]

uuh

Well what I wrote is "werden in present tense + past participle + worden + infinitive if needed"

[pine ginkgo]

uh

on that note

do you have anything for futur 2?

[ocean robin]

nope

[whole rapids]

strikethrough that node

[pine ginkgo]

(do your best, pferd!)

[whole rapids]

note

[ocean robin]

Strike through?

How so?

[pine ginkgo]

(delete it)

(he means)

[ocean robin]

:(

[whole rapids]

okay, you had this Meine Wohnung wird morgen durchsucht worden.

[ocean robin]

yus

[whole rapids]

now what if I tell you

that there is one letter wrong

[ocean robin]

werden?

[whole rapids]

why do you think that?

what is worden for?

[ocean robin]

For past passives?

[pine ginkgo]

no

it's only for the "perfect" forms

[ocean robin]

oh okay

[pine ginkgo]

present perfect, past perfect and future perfect

so to speak

so if you see the presence of worden you can scratch half of the tenses

(or scratch the other half if it isn't there)

(unless there's a mistake)

[whole rapids]

make new note for Futur I: "conjugated werden in present tense + past participle + werden infinitive"

[ocean robin]

okay done

And for Futur II?

[whole rapids]

don't worry about that right now

[pine ginkgo]

btw flops

[whole rapids]

first you must master the typical ones

[pine ginkgo]

do you have a book for german or grammar book from school?

[ocean robin]

Well I do but I don't have it on hand right now 🤔

I think it's A1/A2ish

[pine ginkgo]

mhh, so maybe unlikely that there's passive in it

[whole rapids]

I thought passive was A2? at least introducing it

[ocean robin]

But I think the library has B1 books though 🤔

[cold vessel]

#resources 👀

[ocean robin]

but I think it's the highest eh

[pine ginkgo]

(i have no clue, pferd)

[hot cloak]

passive?

[whole rapids]

passive voice

[ocean robin]

Because I tried to search for nicht placement exercises

[pine ginkgo]

(i just base everything on the complexity of the grammatical structure)

[ocean robin]

didn't find a single one

[whole rapids]

(fair enough. I think I recall getting it in A2 but it may have been early on in B1, not sure any more)

[pine ginkgo]

mhh there should probably be some resources about emphasis somewhere

nicht placement is not really a grammatical structure

on its own at least

[whole rapids]

okay, Flops

[ocean robin]

Yeah but you still have to learn that 🤔

yus

[whole rapids]

you now know the structure for Futur I

[ocean robin]

yep

[whole rapids]

now make a sentence

[ocean robin]

uhhh

[whole rapids]

about a dog

[ocean robin]

🤔

[viscid cape]

😂

[cold vessel]

The Basic German book has passive at least

[ocean robin]

About a dog?

[whole rapids]

yes

[cold vessel]

I don't think that book is meant to be B level

[pine ginkgo]

passive is pretty easy to form

but i've heard various differing "levels" from people here

like chriskun said she learned it in B, iirc

[cold vessel]

Oh wait, it doesn't 🤔

[whole rapids]

a dog who is going to be neutered or is going to be sold or whatever

[pine ginkgo]

so i believe most people when they say they learned it around B :D

[whole rapids]

just do it in Futur I

[cold vessel]

I like the passive, pretty useful to know

[viscid cape]

Pferd why don't you give her a sentence

[cold vessel]

I might be biased since it's used a lot in Norwegian though

[viscid cape]

I agree, passive is useful

[ocean robin]

Der Hund wird verkauft werden.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[whole rapids]

I told her the structure of Futur I, so I want to see her use it now

👏

[sudden panther]

I thought passive was A2? at least introducing it
Intro to passive is B1. And it only covers present simple. Other tenses are B2/C1.

[pine ginkgo]

(pferd is a smart pferdi)

[cold vessel]

Past and future passive is B2? 🤔

Why 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

other tenses are B2/C1?

🤔

[ocean robin]

^ 🤔

[sudden panther]

Well B2 mostly.

[ocean robin]

what

TIL.

[sudden panther]

But you'll rarely find anything other than the passive of present simple in B1 books.

[viscid cape]

Yeah Flappo, to be fair if you can master passive in the present that'll be enough for now

[sudden panther]

(Based on a sample size of ~3 though.) 😅

[cold vessel]

If it's C1 does that mean you don't know it? 😉

[ocean robin]

[pine ginkgo]

what does arrem know anyway :P

[viscid cape]

^ Checkmate

[ocean robin]

wow

[quasi merlin]

Arrem doesn't know Futur II Passive? 😱

[viscid cape]

Someone change Arrem's level plox

[whole rapids]

yeah, Flaps, the 6 phase thing was a joke, don't expect you to know the latter 3 phases just yet

first 3 phases should be doable tho

[placid heath]

Arrem = A1 confirmed

[arctic helm]

Futur 2 passiv????

Wuttt

[quasi merlin]

Futur 2 Passiv

Ja

[sudden panther]

Arrem A0.

[pine ginkgo]

F U T U R 2 P A S S I V

[ocean robin]

Arrem A2 when?

[shy bobcat]

futur ii passiv = will have been Xed?

[placid heath]

Flopps A1 when?

[sudden panther]

2039, when you're B1.

[ocean robin]

:(

[whole rapids]

Der Hund wird verkauft worden sein. iirc

[shy bobcat]

Grammatikbegriffe bedeuten für mich nichts

😅

[viscid cape]

My pupil has been making considerable progress

[ocean robin]

:D

[shy bobcat]

😄

[whole rapids]

FLAPS

[ocean robin]

B1 when?

[whole rapids]

QUICKFIRE ROUND

[ocean robin]

YES

[cold vessel]

You should become blue when flappy becomes purple, arrem

[ocean robin]

OH GOD

[whole rapids]

PASSIVE STRUCTURE FOR PRESENT PERFECT GO

[ocean robin]

UUUH

[whole rapids]

NO SENTENCE; ONLY STRUCTURE

[quasi merlin]

Arrem stays green!

[cold vessel]

Well, if he stays green then he can't be forcefully promoted

[ocean robin]

WERDEN IN PRESENT + PAST PARTICIPLE + WORDEN + cute infinitive for the win

[shy bobcat]

B1 wird von Flaps erreicht worden sein!

[cold vessel]

Unless an admin does it maybe 🤔

[sudden panther]

Anyway, just checked a book
B1 - present simple, past simple, present perfect passive.
B2 - other tenses, durch/von, zustandspassiv
C1 - other passive-y constructs

[whole rapids]

QUICKFIRE ROUND FAILED

[quasi merlin]

So, Arrem

[ocean robin]

DAMMIT

[quasi merlin]

Do you know C1 passive stuff, Arrem? 😛

yes, you do, I know the answer anyway

[ocean robin]

okay gimme the true one :>

maybe he doesn't

[sudden panther]

I sure do.

Floop also knows some of the B2 passive stuff. Doesn't mean that she wouldn't completely Flop up a B2 test. 😉

[shy bobcat]

I don't know what zustandpassiv refers to 😅

[placid heath]

Die Flops wird gebannt gewesen sein.

Passiv ftw

[ocean robin]

Wait wot Arrem.

[quasi merlin]

Arrem C1 confirmed okay, I'll wait until you assign it yourself

[whole rapids]

Zustandpassiv is like "Der Hund ist verkauft", right?

like something that is completed

[ocean robin]

🐱

[sudden panther]

Next year maybe. 😛

[viscid cape]

@shy bobcat It's technically not passive anyways

[ocean robin]

Come here Catto.

[shy bobcat]

Idk my grammar terns

😦

[crystal delta]

Where?

[whole rapids]

get out until you do

[ocean robin]

Where wot?

[viscid cape]

Floppo you've learnt B1 stuff today then

present perfect passive

[ocean robin]

B1 or B2?

[sudden panther]

See something like https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Flexion:lesen for a nice overview of all the tenses/moods/voices.

[hot cloak]

Mika cant assign roles to Mods anyway :^)

[ocean robin]

Uh, Pferd didn't tell me the right structure yet

[crystal delta]

[ocean robin]

What is it? 🤔

[sudden panther]

He could use the bot.

[hot cloak]

Nope

[sudden panther]

Really?

[quasi merlin]

I wasn't gonna assign him the role anyway :^)

[hot cloak]

Role hierarchy

[whole rapids]

Flaps, let us improve your notes

[sudden panther]

The bot has admin tho. Shouldn't that override silly quirks?

[whole rapids]

what have you written for "present passive"?

[quasi merlin]

The bot knows about role hierarchy though

[ocean robin]

werden in present + past participle

[hot cloak]

Doesn't bypass the role hierarchy, I can't even assign roles to you

[whole rapids]

good

tick for that note

what have you written for simple past?

[sudden panther]

I just made you level A. 🤔

[whole rapids]

or Präteritum

[placid heath]

Arrem = Hackerman

[ocean robin]

werden in Präteritum + past participle

[whole rapids]

another tick

[sudden panther]

https://giphy.com/gifs/fury-kung-hackerman-QbumCX9HFFDQA me

[hot cloak]

Fucky mobile discord, my point stands though

He couldn't do it

[whole rapids]

what have you written for the present perfect?

[ocean robin]

nothing yet

[whole rapids]

unacceptable

acquire a pencil

[viscid cape]

Flappo we did it today, try to remember

[ocean robin]

already done

I have my pen

[viscid cape]

Floppo has been fooled by Mika

Remember

[ocean robin]

oooooh

wait so

[viscid cape]

(did pferd mean passive?)

[ocean robin]

it was sein + past participle + worden

[viscid cape]

or just normal present perfect

[ocean robin]

or something like that

passive

[viscid cape]

Good, my pupil

[whole rapids]

👏

make a note for that

[viscid cape]

Arrem will ask that all over again tomorrow

And punish you accordingly

[whole rapids]

those are the first 3 phases

the next 3 phases will be given once you master those

then you may unlock the HIDDEN PHASE

[ocean robin]

oki dokie

[whole rapids]

would you like to give someone else a sentence now? Since you're always on the receiving end

[ocean robin]

Give a sentence to someone? Uh.

🤔

To whom first?

[sudden panther]

Arrem will ask that all over again tomorrow
And punish you accordingly
Ohhh yes pls. I love punishing people.
1 mistake = 1 emote replaced with Entong
5 mistakes = ban

[ocean robin]

NOOOOO

[sudden panther]

You have until tomorrow to learn everything. 😏

[shy bobcat]

@sudden panther Ich glaube an Flops ❤

[whole rapids]

to me I suppose

[sudden panther]

i bims mir auch ziemlig sureig

[quasi merlin]

Flops schafft das schon

[ocean robin]

[quasi merlin]

:waventon:

:wienton:

[ocean robin]

^ Arrem.

[shy bobcat]

:arremton:

[ocean robin]

I am kinda stressed now tbh

[quasi merlin]

:arremtong:

[shy bobcat]

what is a genitive

[quasi merlin]

Des Aris Witz habe ich gefunden.

You dropped your rainbow.

[sudden panther]

Aaaa :wienton:

[shy bobcat]

ne

😄

[quasi merlin]

:wienton: wann?

[shy bobcat]

anscheinend morgen

[quasi merlin]

morgenton?

Ich sollte aufhören

[shy bobcat]

aufhörenton

[quasi merlin]

Genau deswegen

[shy bobcat]

ban mich

[quasi merlin]

Es enden zu viele Sachen auf "-en"

[whole rapids]

gerne

[sudden panther]

WIENTON WIENTON

[whole rapids]

ban unbraver Ari

[viral thunder]

❌ Check failed. You probably don't have permission to do this.

[quasi merlin]

probably

[whole rapids]

what do actually you say for a "bad dog" or whatever?

[shy bobcat]

ban dummen bot 😡

[ocean robin]

Ewwww.

[viral thunder]

❌ Check failed. You probably don't have permission to do this.

[sudden panther]

Ban bans.

ban floopmeme

[viral thunder]

❌ Bad argument: Member "floopmeme" not found

[ocean robin]

[shy bobcat]

[sudden panther]

Floop is an exception. We have to ban her at least once per day.

[shy bobcat]

oh jaaaaaaa wie habe ich das doch vergessen

[thick charm]

BUT SHE CAME BACK

[ocean robin]

😦

Luckily he was banned to an island.
BUT HE CAME BACK!

[thick charm]

So Flappy

[ocean robin]

yes

[thick charm]

how goes the translating

[ocean robin]

goodo

[sudden panther]

Nah. We're sending Floop to the moon in 2039.

And we'll never see her again.

[thick charm]

*Mars

[ocean robin]

😟

[sudden panther]

Hm. Mars. Deal.

[thick charm]

No worries, I'll come with you

[quasi merlin]

oh jaaaaaaa wie habe ich das doch vergessen

doch nur

[thick charm]

Always wanted to visit Mars

Could be like that one movie

[sudden panther]

Dammit. Venus then.

[fair iron]

Apollo 13?

[thick charm]

The Martian.

[fair iron]

No, I'm fairly sure it was Apollo 13.

[sudden panther]

I still haven't seen that movie.

[thick charm]

I prefer Apollo Justice.

[ocean robin]

YES YES

❤

[fair iron]

Sean Bean was the best astronaut.

[thick charm]

I agree, Mr. Bean is a pretty good actor.

[fair iron]

Joking aside, The Martian was and is amazing.

Plus Sean Bean's reference to Boromir is beautiful.

[thick charm]

True.

[ocean robin]

I have no idea what you're talking about. 🤔

[thick charm]

We're talking about a movie.

The Martian with Matt Damon.

You should watch it!

[shy bobcat]

@quasi merlin

[ocean robin]

which I haven't seen probably

[sudden panther]

The only movie Floop has seen is Oh non, le Rosbifs are coming honhonhon!

[thick charm]

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seul_sur_Mars_(film)

You tell me

[fair iron]

Watch it, FLappy.

[ocean robin]

OH THIS ONE

[thick charm]

The name's different in French

[ocean robin]

I DID WATCH IT

[fair iron]

Now she knows it. ^^

[ocean robin]

"Alone on Mars" literally

[sudden panther]

lameig

[ocean robin]

But I don't remember this movie very well 🤔

[whole rapids]

I liked that movie

the ending was a bit silly but whatever

[thick charm]

The book ending is a lot more plausible

[pine ginkgo]

ye

[thick charm]

100% less Iron Man

[ocean robin]

lel

Books > movies anyway

[shy bobcat]

^^

[sudden panther]

Floop can read? 😮

[ocean robin]

[fair iron]

I preferred Life of Brian to the Bible, myself.

[ocean robin]

Dunno tbh, I have no idea how I am talking to you right now

[sudden panther]

If you think about it, dictionaries are just fancy books. 🤔

[ocean robin]

How so?

[sudden panther]

Because they're books. With words in them. Usually in two languages. Sometimes just one.

[ocean robin]

Okay.

[fair iron]

Sometimes books aren't in any language at all.

We call these notebooks.

Or photo albums.

[ocean robin]

Oh mine is in my dialect. Yeah nobody can read that.

[thick charm]

notbooks

[fair iron]

Knotbooks.

[sudden panther]

Floops finally admits that Flopsch is a thing.

[thick charm]

I'm a frayed knot.

[ocean robin]

[thick charm]

I wanna be fluent in Flopsch

Teach me

[ocean robin]

uh no

[thick charm]

ouch

After all we've been through

[ocean robin]

Only me should be allowed to say it

because it's uh

bad

[placid heath]

Leute, steigt heut abend wieder eine Party im VC?

[ocean robin]

Can't right now, you should have said that sooner :<

[fair iron]

VC ist zu unberechenbar um das genau vorherzusagen, Korea.

[ocean robin]

Can we do that tommorow if you want to?

[thick charm]

Ich bin wahrscheinlich zu müde.

[placid heath]

:(

[sudden panther]

Poor Chocc.

[ocean robin]

~7/8 PM?

[thick charm]

Not gonna be there for that

[ocean robin]

:<

[thick charm]

Gotta watch the guys with the feet and the balls

[ocean robin]

sad

[sudden panther]

Sounds hot.

[viscid cape]

Watch them on your laptop

[ocean robin]

But I think it'll last long like last time 🤔

TAKE ON MEEEE

[sudden panther]

How many balls do they have altogether?

[thick charm]

I get way too invested when I watch football

[ocean robin]

1?

[sudden panther]

Ouch.

[thick charm]

I can't concentrate on voice chat

[sudden panther]

Poor guys.

[placid heath]

We are the campions of the world (cup)

[thick charm]

oh poor innocent flappy

Champignons

[placid heath]

Jaaa Kryptik! :D

[ocean robin]

There's one ball and this one is the one which the players play with 🤔

[sudden panther]

I just love it when things fly over Floppo's head.

[ocean robin]

because football

[sudden panther]

Ahahahaha.

[thick charm]

so how many feet do they have?

[ocean robin]

uh

[sudden panther]

I usually don't let other people play with my balls because they never give them back.

[ocean robin]

11 players in a football team, right?

[thick charm]

Herr Doktor, ich krieg meine Vorhaut nicht mehr zurück!
Ja sowas verleiht man ja auch nicht.

yup

[ocean robin]

Your balls? 🤔

Arrem that's pretty weird.

[whole rapids]

Flapps

[sudden panther]

My balls yeah. As a sport enthusiast I actually have quite a nice collection of balls.

[thick charm]

So uh

[ocean robin]

what

[thick charm]

If @opal sequoia plays with balls, do they automatically become baseballs?

[fair iron]

I have about six feet, Chuck.

[whole rapids]

sentence

[sudden panther]

Yes.

[ocean robin]

So 11*2 = 22 22*2 = 44 44 feet.

[viscid cape]

Can we talk about nerdier things

[thick charm]

TIL Casca is actually a spider

[sudden panther]

Nice Flops.

I actually have more feet than an average person.

[thick charm]

222

[fair iron]

That would actually make me an insect.

[ocean robin]

TIL Arrem.

Wait what Casca. 🤔

[thick charm]

Yeah but then the 'Ich glaube du spinnst' joke wouldn't work

You know, the one I was just about to make.

[ocean robin]

Damn, did I read this wrong?

[fair iron]

Oh, sorry.

Why yes I am a spider, Chuck.

[thick charm]

I knew it

Anzeige ist raus

[sudden panther]

Hey Floop. Translate Anzeige ist raus. 😏

[ocean robin]

what is this

I know one word

good

[placid heath]

Anzeige ist raus, Flops.

Morgen bist du im Knast.

[ocean robin]

And I feel that literal translation won't work

so uh

[thick charm]

Advertisement went outside

[ocean robin]

[sudden panther]

Chuck wins. You were too slow, Flops.

[thick charm]

FATALITY

[ocean robin]

D:

[opal sequoia]

❤

[sudden panther]

https://i.imgur.com/cb307em.png

[fair iron]

Arramy stock photo.

[sudden panther]

So Floop, what's your attempt?

[ocean robin]

none

[thick charm]

wow the sass

[shy bobcat]

Anzeige ist raus = "Reported to the cops". Definitely not a literal translation, but if you do translate literally, you get what Arrem posted.

[ocean robin]

Oki dokie. Thanks Ari.

[shy bobcat]

an Anzeige can be like having to look in the duden for the proper definition

[ocean robin]

[shy bobcat]

Meldung einer strafbaren Handlung an eine Behörde

Report of a punishable action to an authority

[ocean robin]

👀

[shy bobcat]

why are you giving me 👀

that's literally the definition

of anzeige

[sudden panther]

Becaude she's a meme.

[shy bobcat]

https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Anzeige

[ocean robin]

Oh okay.

[naive charm]

jmd. anzeigen - to report someone to the authority for a punishable deed <- the verb can also be picked up when you are already learning the noun

[ocean robin]

oooh

[shy bobcat]

I don't think Handlung actually = action now that I think about it, but I included the German in case of translation slip ups 😄

[sudden panther]

Meh, it's fine.

[shy bobcat]

yeah

it's good enough that flop knows what an anzeige is

😄

[thick charm]

literally to turn somebody in

[fair iron]

Jemanden eindrehen.

[thick charm]

Unangespitzt in den Boden geschraubt.

[fair iron]

Jemanden eindringlich umwandeln.

[shy bobcat]

👀

🤔

[stone sentinel]

Wait. Somebody make this clear to me please.

Is dx/dy an actual value or not

Like if I set the "increments" of a function to something like .001, does dx/dy = .001

[twilit garden]

yes, it is the incline of a function at the position x

[stone sentinel]

Well I know what a derivative is, here let me quick tell you what's confused me

There was a calc question that I couldn't solve, it was: "A radius of a circle increases by 2m every second. What's the rate of change at r=6."

My friend takes the equation πr^2(dx/dy) and writes down the derivative 2πr * 2 -> 2π * 6 * 2 = 24π

[copper pike]

Man, i would just write down 2m there

[stone sentinel]

What confused me is that he took dx/dy and algebraically used it as an actual number, 2.

Calculus' notation fucking sucks and is surprisingly inconsistent despite 400+ years to sort that out

[twilit garden]

if you have a function f(x) = x² then the derivative is 2x

[stone sentinel]

Yeah

That made sense to me

[twilit garden]

as far as i can see it, he did the same

[torn kindle]

Neeeeeemoooo

[twilit garden]

[torn kindle]

komm zu miiiiiir

[stone sentinel]

But he took the derivative of πr^2 and multiplied that by dx/dy

[twilit garden]

but dx/dy is the derivative

[stone sentinel]

Yeah that's why I'm lost

[twilit garden]

πr^2(dx/dy) = 2πr

it's just a style of notation afaik

[stone sentinel]

So could you run me through the logic on this equation?

Because if that were the case we would have about 12m/s instead of 24

Just assume pi is 3 btw

[twilit garden]

πr^2 is the original equation of the area of the circle
2πr is the derivative (also the circumference of a circle)

[slow pumice]

The dr/dt would be 2 because that's the rate of change for the radius