general-2

[red pewter]

it changes

doesn't it

[thick charm]

And Flappy needs a preposition in the bedanken one

[ocean robin]

lol rip

[red pewter]

which one of these nouns are feeling weak?

[ocean robin]

Uh, looks like the error is on "netten"

🤔

[thick charm]

netten is fine

[ocean robin]

Ah ah ahhh.

[red pewter]

Jungen...?

[thick charm]

yup

[red pewter]

idk

[cold vessel]

@thick charm What do you mean by the "someone" thing?

[red pewter]

really? It just sounded like it could be a thing

[thick charm]

Helping someone, thanking someone

[ocean robin]

What why Jungen booooooi.

[thick charm]

For example

Because Dativ

[ocean robin]

I thought those were only for plurals!

[opal sequoia]

Yeah, so... there's a subset of masculine nouns that are called "weak nouns" and use a thing called N-declension.

[red pewter]

Die alte Frau dankt dem netten Jungen.

[ocean robin]

Yeah.

[opal sequoia]

In every case except nominative, weak nouns end with -n or -en.

[ocean robin]

AH AH AHHH.

[cold vessel]

@thick charm But there are an insane amount of verbs where you can say "verbing someone" that doesn't take dative ...

[red pewter]

and how are we supposed to know what's weak

[ocean robin]

Learn it

lel

[opal sequoia]

You just have to learn them from the dictionary.

But there aren't many, really.

[thick charm]

Then ignore that

[red pewter]

so it's time to actually use dict.cc?

[thick charm]

I couldn't think of any right there

[red pewter]

what are more weak nouns?

[cold vessel]

Automat

[opal sequoia]

Der Name.

[red pewter]

!!! I've seen them do that

[cold vessel]

I only remember "Automat" and "Junge" 👀

[thick charm]

http://germanforenglishspeakers.com/nouns/weak-nouns-the-n-declension/

[red pewter]

deinen Namen. Geldautomaten

bookmarked

I thought it was just part of akk or something

[opal sequoia]

Yeah, as you can see, most of them aren't ones you'll use often.

[red pewter]

jfc a whole new can of worms

[opal sequoia]

Just Junge and Name are really common.

[ocean robin]

I think I'll have a bad time with this 👀

[opal sequoia]

It's fine, Flappy.

[red pewter]

we good this flappers

got*

[opal sequoia]

If you get those wrong, I wouldn't really care that much.

[lunar urchin]

*gut

😃

[red pewter]

😄

[thick charm]

Alright, let's try to fix the second one then

Die alte Frau bedankt sich dem netten Junge.

[ocean robin]

Dat sich.

[thick charm]

We already went over why it has to be Jungen

[red pewter]

zum?

[ocean robin]

What?

[red pewter]

no one seems excited about it so the answer isn't zum

[lunar urchin]

no

[red pewter]

but chuck said we needed a preposition

[ocean robin]

Uh, wot.

[thick charm]

It's not zum, but guessing won't help here either

[lunar urchin]

yes, you do

[ocean robin]

You need a preposition?

[thick charm]

You do

[ocean robin]

To thank someone?

🤔

[thick charm]

you need one that goes with dativ

[lunar urchin]

also, zum would actually be zu dem, it is not zu

[ocean robin]

But there's a lot my dear Chuck

[red pewter]

yeah i would have replaced the dem

[thick charm]

I know there is, which is why it's usually part of the verb

[ocean robin]

von, außer, nach, etc etc are all Dat preposition

[lunar urchin]

sich bedanken [Präposition] jemandem

[ocean robin]

Was going to say bei and then said "what flapps"

[thick charm]

You should have listened to Flapps

[ocean robin]

What for?

[thick charm]

bei

[ocean robin]

WHAT

[red pewter]

nice one!!!

[ocean robin]

IT WAS ACTUALLY RIGHT

[thick charm]

https://www.dict.cc/?s=sich+bedanken+bei+jdm

[lunar urchin]

sich bei jemandem bedanken

[ocean robin]

what the heell

[thick charm]

Bedanken usually goes with either bei or für as its preposition

sometimes both

sich bei jemandem für etwas bedanken

[cold vessel]

Is there a difference in meaning between the reflexive and nonreflexive form?

[thick charm]

give thanks to somebody and give thanks for something respectively

[red pewter]

i get it

[thick charm]

There's no real difference in meaning

But there are situations where you'd use one over the other

Ich danke dir sounds less forced than Ich bedanke mich bei dir for example

[ocean robin]

okay so

Die alte Frau bedankt sich bei dem netten Jungen.
Die alte Frau bedankt ihm.

[thick charm]

dankt ihm

[ocean robin]

[cold vessel]

Stop copy-pasting

[thick charm]

bedanken needs to be reflexive

[ocean robin]

Wait what.

🤔

[thick charm]

bedankt ihm doesn't work

[ocean robin]

how to confuse thingys

Oh yeah, I flipped things

[cold vessel]

Kein geflopping bitte

[ocean robin]

Die alte Frau dankt (ihm) dem netten Jungen/ Die alte Frau bedankt sich bei dem netten Jungen.

[thick charm]

yup

you got it

[ocean robin]

yayies

[opal sequoia]

Cool.

Now try this I don't like the green bird.

[red pewter]

don't like someone- dative?

[cold vessel]

No

[red pewter]

schade.

[ocean robin]

Ich mag nicht den grünen Vogel.

[cold vessel]

Word order, I think

[ocean robin]

Now don't say it's Vogelm okay.

[thick charm]

I don't like that green bird

[ocean robin]

Ah.

[thick charm]

The sentence is pretty good, except for your placement of nicht

[opal sequoia]

It's actually Vogelogeogelg.

[ocean robin]

EXCEPT THE PLACEMENT OF NICHT

AGAIN

[red pewter]

Ich mag nicht den grünen Vogel....was what I had

at the end then_

[opal sequoia]

Yep. Do you remember what you said about nicht yesterday, Flappy?

[ocean robin]

#nicht_arc_continue

[opal sequoia]

You will remember it eventually.

[fair iron]

Think of German as being sarcastic with its placement of nicht.

[sudden panther]

And @pine ginkgo just lost his bet. It took her one whole day to forget about the nicht rules she mentioned. 😛

[fair iron]

I like that green bird... NOT!

[red pewter]

Ich mag den grünen Vogel nicht.

[thick charm]

she

oh wait

[lunar urchin]

Kaskerr...

[sudden panther]

Flops mentioned the rules, not Solet.

[thick charm]

It does make sense

Yeah

[ocean robin]

🤔

[thick charm]

got that flipped

[cold vessel]

What rule was mentioned?

[thick charm]

my b

[fair iron]

Tswitshe...

[ocean robin]

how to forget rule you said yourself

[opal sequoia]

Flappy told us when to use nicht where.

Tell us again, Flappy.

[ocean robin]

Actually I know them, ;but I can't use them.

[cold vessel]

Yes, please do

[ocean robin]

First, say hello to Casca.

[thick charm]

Hey Casco

[opal sequoia]

Hi Casca!

[sudden panther]

Then you either don't know them or aren't actively thinking about them. 🤔

[ocean robin]

Secondly, will dk.

[sudden panther]

Hi Cassiesause.

[fair iron]

Hey Arrem.

And Chuck.

[red pewter]

Hi casca :33

[fair iron]

And Base. ^^

[opal sequoia]

Sassycassy.

[fair iron]

And Bell.

[red pewter]

❤

[fair iron]

And of course Flappy. ^^

[cold vessel]

😐

[red pewter]

henbruas 💔

[fair iron]

Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about you, Henbruas. ❤

It's just not that easy to type when you have toast in your hand.

[ocean robin]

``For the placement of that fokken nicht:

• If you want to negate only a part of the clause, you put the nicht before that part.
• If you want to negate the whole clause, then you put the nicht at the end because German.``

[thick charm]

👌

[red pewter]

totes get that. Dunno why you can't like not

[opal sequoia]

Great.

[sudden panther]

And what's the tiny disclaimer for the second one?

[ocean robin]

Not completely at the end if there's a verb at the end. No "finden nicht" here please.

[opal sequoia]

GReat.

[sudden panther]

Now make sure not to forget that in 3 hours.

[ocean robin]

[thick charm]

You owe us all a bottle of champagne if you forget it

[ocean robin]

[opal sequoia]

Now do I don't like the green bird, because he is loud and mean.

[red pewter]

wait so you do put nicht at the end with verb at end or not

[ocean robin]

lol that sentence

[opal sequoia]

cbell, verb placement is the most important always.

[ocean robin]

Looks like it's from a children book

[thick charm]

you don't, Bell

[opal sequoia]

Verbs are the #1 thing you need to look at in sentence structure.

So verbs go where they go. Either V2 or at the end.

Or first in questions, of course.

[ocean robin]

Ich mag den grünen Vogel nicht, weil er laut und gemein ist.

I love how fast I am today. :^)

[thick charm]

well done!

[ocean robin]

wooooo

[opal sequoia]

Cool. Now do I don't like the green bird, because he is a loud and mean bird.

[red pewter]

Ich mag den grünen Vogel nicht weil er ist laut und gemein (why is ist at the end)

[thick charm]

because of weil

[ocean robin]

Ich mag den grünen Vogel nicht, weil er einer laut und gemein Vogel ist.

[thick charm]

It's a subordinating conjunction

[ocean robin]

Wait.

Vogel is Akk?

[thick charm]

nope

[red pewter]

okay thanks

[cold vessel]

Does the other placement of "nicht" make sense in a sentence like this? "Ich mag nicht den grünen Vogel, sondern den roten"

[ocean robin]

Then it's ein

[sudden panther]

Sein is about the only verb that uses the nominative.

[ocean robin]

Not einer

[sudden panther]

Yes, hen.

[thick charm]

yup

[opal sequoia]

Flappy, think of how you would write the second clause if it was a simple sentence.

[ocean robin]

Dunno whai I put einer in the first place

I think I wanted to say "einen" or idk

[thick charm]

you declined the article instead of the adjectives

[ocean robin]

[thick charm]

which frankly I think is hilarious

[opal sequoia]

Flappy... Try to write "He is a loud and mean bird" by itself.

[ocean robin]

lel

[ivory jolt]

ohayouuu

[opal sequoia]

Hallooo.

[red pewter]

Ich mag den grünen Vogel nicht , weil er ist ein laut und gemein Vogel (no idea if that rule of still at the end is here too)

[ocean robin]

Er ist ein laut und gemein Vogel.
How to confuse Flops. I must decline as "laute" und "gemeine"?

Bell, that's called subordinating hehehe.

[sudden panther]

Flops. Think about what I said.

[opal sequoia]

Ja, cbell. I assume you know about dependent/independent clauses in English?

[thick charm]

Right, Bell. I want you to read up on subordinating conjunctions

[red pewter]

yes

[opal sequoia]

In German, a dependent clause has the conjugated verb moved to the end.

[ocean robin]

Uuuh, I am still not sure.

[red pewter]

I have a degree in tesl so I got that

[sudden panther]

Verbs have nothing to do with adjectives. Adjectives hang out with nouns and are not influenced by verbs in any way. So "sein" doesn't magically free you from declining your verbs. If a verb is placed before a noun, you decline it. No exceptioneroonies.

[ocean robin]

Ah.

[opal sequoia]

Yeah, I just figured that since you know a lot about English it's easier to just say that dependent clauses have the verb moved to the end.

[ocean robin]

Er ist ein laute und gemeine Vogel.

[red pewter]

it is, thank you

[thick charm]

which gender is Vogel again?

[ocean robin]

Der?

[thick charm]

yup

Your adjectives imply die though

[ocean robin]

Does dat mean denclension is wrongo?

AH AH AHHHHH.

[sudden panther]

You tell us.

[red pewter]

Ich mag den grünen Vogel nicht , weil ein lauter und gemeiner Vogel ist

[ocean robin]

Chok thr spoiler

Wait.

Ein.

[thick charm]

What I never said anything

[ocean robin]

facepalm becauae she took weak denclension

[thick charm]

Close, Bell.

[cold vessel]

I think you made a typoe, bell

[thick charm]

You forgot to replace a word

[sudden panther]

weil is always a subordinating conjunction and will always push the verb to the end.

[ocean robin]

Yep.

[sudden panther]

Oh. You did that. I can't read.

[red pewter]

oh i left it in

haha

[ocean robin]

Er ist ein lauter und gemeiner Vogel. Here bois.

[thick charm]

👌

[opal sequoia]

Great. Now do the whole sentence from before.

[red pewter]

Ich mag den grünen Vogel nicht , weil er ein lauter und gemeiner Vogel ist :?

[ocean robin]

LOL NICO

[sudden panther]

Censorship. 😮

[thick charm]

you need a subject in the subordinating clause

[ocean robin]

Or maybe him who deleted.

[thick charm]

just like in English

Who is a mean bird?

[red pewter]

er

[thick charm]

yup

[ocean robin]

🎉

[red pewter]

Ich mag den grünen Vogel nicht , weil er ein lauter und gemeiner Vogel ist :?

[opal sequoia]

Yeah.

Flappy, did you give up? 😄

[red pewter]

❤

[ocean robin]

Hell no

[sudden panther]

flops celebrating instead of doing her work

[ocean robin]

Would say the same tbh

I just floppsed on denclensions

[red pewter]

[sudden panther]

So, can we have that sentence and the previous sentence next to each other?

Just so we can compare them and see the differences.

[ocean robin]

Sure thing.

[thick charm]

Also sorry if that is frustrating for you two, but we need to play senior teacher here

[red pewter]

Ich mag den grünen Vogel nicht, weil er laut und gemein ist. Ich mag den grünen Vogel nicht , weil er ein lauter und gemeiner Vogel ist :?

[ocean robin]

Ich mag den grünen Vogel nicht, weil er laut und gemein ist.
Ich mag den grünen Vogel nicht, weil er ein lauter und gemeiner Vogel ist.

[sudden panther]

Goodies.

[cold vessel]

Great that you've started using markdown, flappy 👍

[sudden panther]

As you see Floppo, both of them use sein, but it has nothing to do with how adjectives are declined.

[red pewter]

he is mean and loud vs he is a mean and loud bird. If we call him a bird, we have to change it up.

[ocean robin]

Yah thanks Henburas.

[thick charm]

I'm sure you'll get the hang of it eventually.

It's easier than it looks

[opal sequoia]

Okay, Flappy, try this one: I love the small house because the garden is so beautiful.

[ivory jolt]

TLDR, declension happens before nouns

[ocean robin]

I'm sure you'll get the hang of it eventually.
thinks desperately about nicht placement

[thick charm]

You're A, you're allowed to make these mistakes

[ocean robin]

and maybe H sound

[thick charm]

We're not mad at you for making mistakes ever, that's the important thing

[ocean robin]

How to say "love" with another word than lieben? That would be a weird verb to use...

[thick charm]

for the purposes of this, go with lieben

It works

[ocean robin]

It looks like you're in a relationship with the house

lol what

[ivory jolt]

no

[red pewter]

Ich liebe das kleine Haus weil der garten so schön ist.

[thick charm]

You need a comma here

[opal sequoia]

You should seperate subordinate clauses with commas.

[cold vessel]

Capital letters also

[ocean robin]

Ich liebe das kleine Haus, weil der Garten so schön ist.

[red pewter]

Ich liebe das kleine Haus, weil der Garten so schön ist.

[thick charm]

well done, you two!

[red pewter]

❤

[ocean robin]

YAAY

[opal sequoia]

Yes very good.

Now do I can't see the blue sky.

[thick charm]

remember your nicht

And where it goes in a sentence

[ocean robin]

Ich kann den blauen Himmel nicht sehen.

🤔

[thick charm]

Great!

[ocean robin]

WHAT.

[ivory jolt]

nice flipflapflops

[cold vessel]

First try 😱

[ivory jolt]

u even included the fullstop

[opal sequoia]

Now: I can't see the blue sky, but rather I can only see grey clouds.

[ocean robin]

Was I a little bit too fast, Bell? :/

[sudden panther]

No. You can never be too fast.

[ocean robin]

Eher is position 0?

[red pewter]

I didn't know where to put nicht ❤

[ocean robin]

Aber eher?

🤔

[red pewter]

i thought after kann but that was wrong

[opal sequoia]

Nuh, cbell beats you to it a lot too. 😄

So it's fair.

[red pewter]

Ich kann den blauen Himmel nicht sehen

[sudden panther]

Where did you find an eher? 🤔

[ocean robin]

Rather? 🤔

[thick charm]

Right, so you want to negate that entire sentence, Bell.

[sudden panther]

Wait am I missing a sentence.

[cold vessel]

Hint: I mentioned the word earlier

[opal sequoia]

Use this again, Flappy: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/240524318512119810/363272434142543882/conjunctions.png?width=475&height=474

[thick charm]

"You see the blue sky, not"

But since the verb needs to be at the end thanks to kann, you put nicht as second to last

[ocean robin]

where the hell is rather

Ah, sondern.

[sudden panther]

whatsentencearewetranslatingaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[thick charm]

rather as eher is an adverb

You want the conjunction

[opal sequoia]

Arrem: I can't see the blue sky, but rather I can only see grey clouds.

[ocean robin]

I can't see the blue sky, but rather I can only see grey clouds.

[sudden panther]

Thanks. ❤

[ivory jolt]

that sounds weird, in english

[red pewter]

Ich kann den blauen Himmel nicht sehen, sondern ich kann nur graue Wolken sehen

[hot cloak]

yeah in english you would shorten it

I can't see the blue sky, rather only grey clouds.

[ivory jolt]

actually in german too

[opal sequoia]

It's not wrong in English, but it's easier to translate for people who don't know the grammar well enough.

[thick charm]

Obviously, but we're not here to learn English

[hot cloak]

sorry

[opal sequoia]

Np.

[red pewter]

kann sehen?

all at the end?

[ocean robin]

Ich kann den blauen Himmem nicht sehen, sondern ich kann nur graue Wolken sehen.

[hot cloak]

kann nicht sehen @red pewter for one

[ocean robin]

Wait, did we do the same mistake?

[sudden panther]

Flops learned more German here than Chocc has. 🤔 /r/arremthoughts

[ocean robin]

🤔

That can be a theory

[ivory jolt]

look up some examples for sondern

[thick charm]

I mean I should be pretty solid in German

[red pewter]

(I'm so glad I finally got to use sondern)

[opal sequoia]

Flappy, well, for one thing, you said "Himmem". 😄

[ocean robin]

So you would rather say: Ich kann den blauen Himmel nicht sehen, sondern nur graue Wolken.?

I saw that.

[red pewter]

oh! yeah that's how sondern is used isn't it

[ivory jolt]

well its easier to correct excercises if we type AND voicechat isnt it by the way :winkwinkwinkwinwiwkngi:

[hot cloak]

is that also correct, or should you have it ich kann nicht?

[ocean robin]

NO WHAT

NICO NO

[red pewter]

that's what i originally put tbh

but then i saw flaps be right

so i moved it

[ocean robin]

That would be really funny though

[ivory jolt]

nico nico noo

by the way look up some example uses of nicht... sondern. seriously

[red pewter]

!!!

same word order

[opal sequoia]

Well I would like a good German speaker to clarify it but I think it is meant to be "Ich kann nicht"

[red pewter]

Ich kann den blauen Himmel nicht sehen, sondern ich kann sehen nur graue Wolken.

[cold vessel]

Pretty sure the nicht needs to move

[ocean robin]

But... we didn't say that earlier, Bell?

[opal sequoia]

cbell, all unconjugated verbs go to the end of the clause.

[hot cloak]

i'm wondering too @cold vessel

[ivory jolt]

wait where did chuck go

[red pewter]

I had it at the end and it was wrong T_T

[opal sequoia]

Who said it was wrong?

[ocean robin]

🤔

[red pewter]

uh whoever put the cross emoji L:D

[opal sequoia]

Ah, don't pay attention to that.

Pay attention to the grammar rules only.

[ivory jolt]

oops, i must have mistaken

sondern ich kann nur ... sehen is correct

i must have had problem with my eyes lol sry

[red pewter]

T_T

[ivory jolt]

😫

[opal sequoia]

So Flappy, what are you negating in the sentence?

[red pewter]

the ability to see the sky

[ocean robin]

The fact that gou can't see?

Because you're blind.

[opal sequoia]

"I can't see the blue sky, but rather I can see only grey clouds."

What is the negation in that?

[thick charm]

I'm here

sorry

had to talk to a dude

[opal sequoia]

It's okay, Chuck.

[red pewter]

❤

[opal sequoia]

Chaos ensued while you were gone.

[red pewter]

I don't know where we are at

[opal sequoia]

Flappy?

Do you need help with the question?

[red pewter]

1. where nicht goes.... Ich kann den blauen Himmel nicht sehen or Ich kann nicht den blauen Himmel sehen

2. use of sondern

[ocean robin]

The fact we can't see the clouds.

Uuuh.

[opal sequoia]

Hmm.

I think you probably need a break for a while.

[ocean robin]

For nicht?

[opal sequoia]

cbell: sondern is a coordinating conjunction. You used it correctly.

Well, you seem not to be able to read the English sentence, Flappy.

[ocean robin]

🤔

[opal sequoia]

So you probably need a break from practicing for a bit.

[ocean robin]

Nuuuuh!

[sudden panther]

Fan Blopps.

[sturdy shadow]

Ban flopps

[ocean robin]

I don't wanna take a break...

[lavish saddle]

R.I.P Flappy 2017

[opal sequoia]

Well you have to show me that you can concentrate. 😄

[ocean robin]

;_;

[opal sequoia]

What's the English sentence?

[whole rapids]

@red pewter the first one of the first one is correct, but the second one of the first one sounds like you are emphasising what you cannot see

[ocean robin]

"I can't see the blue sky, but rather I can see only grey clouds."

[pine ginkgo]

@sudden panther fucken shit

[ocean robin]

You can't see at blue sky.

[whole rapids]

to me anyway

[sudden panther]

Ehehehehehe.

[opal sequoia]

And you said "The fact we can't see the clouds.", Flappy.

[ocean robin]

🤔

oh my god

[opal sequoia]

Yeah, but you're right, we can't see the blue sky.

But we can see something else, right?

[red pewter]

thank you ❤

[ocean robin]

The grey clouds?

[opal sequoia]

Yeah.

So we don't want to negate the seeing part. We can see something. We just want to negate the thing we can't see.

So what do you think the sentence should be in German?

[ocean robin]

Ich kann nicht den blauen Himmel sehen in this case?

[opal sequoia]

Yeah.

[ocean robin]

🤔

[cold vessel]

Kinda nonsensical but I think it illustrates what the placement does?
Ich kann nicht den blauen Himmel sehen, sondern nur graue Wolken
Ich kann den blauen Himmel nicht sehen, sondern fühlen

[opal sequoia]

Seems good.

[ivory jolt]

ayy sounds good

[red pewter]

you guys are lifesavers

[thick charm]

yw

[pine ginkgo]

Ban henbri

[red pewter]

already what I learned tonight means I can make so many more sentences

[thick charm]

Oh right

it's 6am for you innit

[ivory jolt]

secret german teacher spies on reddit discord

[red pewter]

I can't sleep anyways ❤

[opal sequoia]

Oh, well then.

[thick charm]

Lunatic

[whole rapids]

I can't see the blue sky, but rather I can only see grey clouds.

This sentence sounds to me that it is just negating the act of seeing, or did you want to emphasise what you cannot see?

[red pewter]

This is a better use of my time

[thick charm]

Who learns a language at 6am

you're out there

[red pewter]

well

[opal sequoia]

cbell and Flappy (and anyone else). Make a sentence yourself which includes 3 adjectives.

Any kind of sentence.

[pine ginkgo]

Bell is crazy anyway

[red pewter]

when flaps is on that's when lessons happen

[pine ginkgo]

Dw chuck

[red pewter]

so i need to be there

[cold vessel]

@whole rapids You're not negating the seeing, because you can in fact see something

[ocean robin]

3 adjectives?

[opal sequoia]

Yep.

[ivory jolt]

flipflops the superhuman, teaching french and learning german simultaneously

[opal sequoia]

They don't have to be on the same noun.

[valid ice]

3 distinct adjectives?

[thick charm]

That reminds me of the 'Colin is crazy' meme

[opal sequoia]

Yes, 3 different adjectives.

[thick charm]

Damnit Luna

[valid ice]

😒

[thick charm]

That's on you

[ocean robin]

Die süße und kleine Katze spielt mit dem netten Mädchen.

[pine ginkgo]

It's on you chucker

[whole rapids]

I mean negating the act of seeing the object; I was thinking you change it to emphasise you can still see but you cannot see any blue sky but that doesn't really make sense.

[thick charm]

BELL IS CRAZY
(btw bell is cbell, i can use her first name because we are tight like that. yeah i know top players but its whatever to me lol

[sudden panther]

Do you need that und, Floppo?

[thick charm]

God it even works

fuck off Luna

So mad rn

[ocean robin]

I think Arrem 🤔

Awww, what happened Choky?

[sudden panther]

It would be wrong to leave it out?

[red pewter]

Ich möchte einen schwarzen sußen großen Kuchen.

😄

[thick charm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashcirclejerk/comments/4hdn9p/colin_is_crazy/ So this is a meme in the Super Smash Bros community.

[sudden panther]

Aaalmost. Suß doesn't exist though. 😄

[thick charm]

And the way Luna said what he said reminded me of this

no need to understand

But it's a bad insider and I love how cbell sounds like colbol

[ocean robin]

Uh, like saying süße kleine Katze? I think you can yeah.

Agh umlaut.

[valid ice]

chuck wtf is that subreddits css

[thick charm]

no idea

[valid ice]

it hurts 😢

[thick charm]

But it's bad

[opal sequoia]

How would you say your sentence if the cute cat and the small cat are different cats, Flappy?

[cold vessel]

I have subreddit styles turned off by default, there are so many terrible ones ...

[ocean robin]

🤔

Like "the cute cat and the small cat"?

[opal sequoia]

Yeah.

[red pewter]

Der lustige Hund spielt mit der wütenden Katze und dem neuen Küken.

[ocean robin]

Die kleine Katze und die süße Katze spielen mit dem Mädchen.

[whole rapids]

guess the girl is no longer nice 😦

[pine ginkgo]

Küker?

[ocean robin]

^ wat

[thick charm]

I hob di uffm Küker

[red pewter]

D: I'm sorry

[opal sequoia]

lol Pferd.

[red pewter]

I always remember that one wrong!

[sturdy shadow]

Uffm Kieker?

[pine ginkgo]

Dont forget her goldfish memory, pferd

[ocean robin]

Kuh?

[red pewter]

Küken!

[ocean robin]

🤔

[red pewter]

chick D:

[thick charm]

you'd need a new article for that one though

[ocean robin]

Ahhhh.

[thick charm]

und dem neuen Küken

[red pewter]

yeah

[thick charm]

Just for future reference

[red pewter]

Der lustige Hund spielt mit der wütenden Katze und dem neuen Küken.

[opal sequoia]

You are really doing an awesome job though cbell.

[pine ginkgo]

Now do the fun stuff base

[red pewter]

😊 thank you so much

[pine ginkgo]

I am waiting for it all the time!!!

[opal sequoia]

Fun stuff? Like what?

[ocean robin]

LOL WHAT

[thick charm]

yup, you're doing pretty well

proud of you

[pine ginkgo]

THE NEXT STEP BASE

[red pewter]

you guys are so nice ❤

[ocean robin]

solet wants torture

[opal sequoia]

😄

[thick charm]

Both of you, actually

[pine ginkgo]

WHERE FLAPPY WILL BREAK BASE

[ocean robin]

[ivory jolt]

what are Küken?

[thick charm]

chicks

[ocean robin]

Thankies Chuck. ^^

[thick charm]

as in chicken

[pine ginkgo]

chicks

[ivory jolt]

oh

[thick charm]

the yellow fluffy ones

[ocean robin]

which are darn cuteeeeeh

[whole rapids]

base has infinite patience

[thick charm]

and tasty

[ocean robin]

chuck please

[thick charm]

can't help it

[ocean robin]

lel

[ivory jolt]

wow ive learnt german for quite some time and now i know what chicks are called

[pine ginkgo]

Imagine base was as snarky as arrem

Or as i am

[thick charm]

Chüken

[red pewter]

woohoo! i knew a word ❤

[ocean robin]

oh god solet

[ivory jolt]

Chückchen

[opal sequoia]

Actually, I am, just not when I'm on this server. 😄

[thick charm]

hood solet

[ocean robin]

👀

[pine ginkgo]

Shit base

[thick charm]

In da hood

[whole rapids]

wow, keeping it hidden huh

[pine ginkgo]

Flappsy gonna make you

[thick charm]

He's Australian, the fuck did you expect?

[pine ginkgo]

I hope

[ocean robin]

Lol what Chuck

[thick charm]

He's out there, calling people snarky Australian insults by the minute

Although I can only think of one right now

nvm that

[ocean robin]

There's me who can be also savage when I want to 👀

[pine ginkgo]

Me too chuck

[whole rapids]

can Küken be used for girls?

[thick charm]

no

[ocean robin]

🤔

[pine ginkgo]

No

[ivory jolt]

lol

[whole rapids]

k

[thick charm]

Unless you want them to punch you

[ivory jolt]

why tho

[opal sequoia]

Well, you could.

[pine ginkgo]

BASE NEXT STEP I WANNA SEEEEEE

[opal sequoia]

I mean, no one's going to stop you.

Okay, okay.

[whole rapids]

okay, I add it to list of things to say to gf

[thick charm]

Hühner is a term for women but it's degrading

wilde Hühner

for example

[ocean robin]

SOLET'S IMPATIENT LOL

[whole rapids]

maybe won't say that one

[pine ginkgo]

Wtf chuck

[opal sequoia]

Cold and delicious icecream is the favourite food of the French Flappy.

[ivory jolt]

Mäuschen is a good thing to call ur gf

[ocean robin]

NO PLEASE. I CAN SMELL GENITIVE

[opal sequoia]

Forget the first the.

[thick charm]

I just think of Mario Barth when I hear that

...Määäääussschen...

[ivory jolt]

wth

[pine ginkgo]

Yo pferd

[thick charm]

German 'comedian'

[ivory jolt]

achso

[thick charm]

Some people like him, a majority of people hates him

I'm kind of in the middle

[pine ginkgo]

Try saying "Möchtest du mal einen echten Hasen sehen?" to your gf when you are in the mood

[thick charm]

yes do that

absolutely do that

pleeeease do that

unironically

[ivory jolt]

why?

[thick charm]

you have to have the straightest face

[ivory jolt]

would u like to see a real rabbit?

[lavish saddle]

🤔

[thick charm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBnr1FUHtO4

It's a meme

[ocean robin]

Kalte und leckere Eiscreme ist das Lieblingsessen der französischen Flappy.
lol what

[thick charm]

It's an ad that informs people to control their children's behaviour on the internet

[ocean robin]

🤔

[thick charm]

Also well done, Flappy

You're on a roll today

[ocean robin]

WAIT

WHAT

[ivory jolt]

well, i would use das Eis

[pine ginkgo]

Yeah

[ocean robin]

SOLET WHERE ARE MY POINTS

[pine ginkgo]

We don't really say eiscreme

[red pewter]

Kaltes und leckeres Eis ist das Lieblingsessen für dem Französischen Fkappy.

[pine ginkgo]

But doesnt matter

Close bell

[ivory jolt]

knapp

[opal sequoia]

Hot coffee without sugar is the favourite drink of the helpful Chuck.

[ivory jolt]

wait, how do u say close in german

[thick charm]

knapp

[pine ginkgo]

Fast

[ocean robin]

Wew, Bell doesn't look to spoilers. Excellent, Bell. ^^

[opal sequoia]

Schließen.

[thick charm]

Do I really drink my coffee black?

The first I hear of that

[red pewter]

gender. it's das.

[opal sequoia]

Okay, that gives me an idea, Chuck.

[pine ginkgo]

Also flappsy is a girl

[red pewter]

Kaltes und leckeres Eis ist das Lieblingsessen für der Französischen Fkappy.

[opal sequoia]

Hot coffee without sugar is not the favourite drink of the helpful Chuck.

[pine ginkgo]

Dont forget that bell

[opal sequoia]

Edit it for that.

[lavish saddle]

and is für dativ?

[red pewter]

Kaltes und leckeres Eis ist das Lieblingsessen für der französischen Flappy.

[ocean robin]

Heiße Kaffee ohne Zucker ist das Lieblingsessen des hilfsbereiten Chuck.

[ivory jolt]

naja noch nicht

[lavish saddle]

(für)

[thick charm]

Close, Flappy

Very close

[ocean robin]

wew

[thick charm]

drink = Getränk

[ivory jolt]

wow, chuck doesnt really eat coffee u know

or does he

[thick charm]

It's different from food

[ocean robin]

OH YEAH

LOL

[pine ginkgo]

Also what gender is kaffee

[ocean robin]

Der?

[thick charm]

yup

[ocean robin]

OH.

[pine ginkgo]

Now fix

[ocean robin]

Heißer 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

Bell, für takes akk

[thick charm]

Oh yeah, true

[lavish saddle]

Cbell, how does für affect the noun case wise?

[thick charm]

Slow Kelsey

[pine ginkgo]

Sorry chriskun :x

[opal sequoia]

Wow.

[lavish saddle]

wowwee

luna

You weeb

[pine ginkgo]

You rude weeb

[lavish saddle]

😄

[pine ginkgo]

[opal sequoia]

Flappy, I changed the sentence though, I think you missed it: Hot coffee without sugar is not the favourite drink of the helpful Chuck.

[cold vessel]

If you use s-gentitive, does the article and adjective stay in the nominative or change as well? Kaltes und leckeres Eis ist die französische Flappys Lieblingsessen or Kaltes und leckeres Eis ist der französischen Flappys Lieblingsessen

[lavish saddle]

I thought we weren't supposed to be handing the answers out!

[ocean robin]

Heißer Kaffee ohne Zucker ist das Lieblingsgetränk des hilfsbereiten Chuck.

[ivory jolt]

Chuckes

[red pewter]

Heißer Kaffee ohne Zucker ist nicht das Lieblingsgetränk für dem hilfreichem Chuck

[ocean robin]

Ah shoot Base

[thick charm]

sonder?

[opal sequoia]

I just added a "not", Flappy.

[lavish saddle]

sonder 🤔

[opal sequoia]

So you just have to add that.

[red pewter]

was ohne a better choice?

[lavish saddle]

yes

[ivory jolt]

the only choice

[ocean robin]

Heißer Kaffee ohne Zucker ist nicht das Lieblingsgetränk des hilfsbereiten Chuck.

LOL

[thick charm]

You don't know how proud I am right now, Flopps

[ocean robin]

WHO UNREACTED

[thick charm]

Right so one tiny little thing here

[ocean robin]

Awwww Choky

Yes.

[ivory jolt]

i thought it should be des Chuckes or des Chucks

lol

[ocean robin]

yeah lol

[pine ginkgo]

Na

[ivory jolt]

i would use von anyway

[ocean robin]

:thinking:

[thick charm]

proper nouns are special in Genitive because they can also not take the -s

[ivory jolt]

oh, didnt know that

[pine ginkgo]

Listen to the chucker

[thick charm]

des Chuck is just as correct as des Chucks or des Chuckes

[cold vessel]

Did someone see my question? 😐

[pine ginkgo]

Ban henbri

[red pewter]

Heißer Kaffee ohne Zucker ist nicht das Lieblingsgetränk für des hilfreichem Chuck

[thick charm]

Because Chuck acts as a proper noun here, a name

[ocean robin]

Yeah.

[opal sequoia]

I did henbruas but I don't know the answer.

[thick charm]

also I need to go for 10 minutes

brb

[red pewter]

I haven't seen any of the discord that has happened

[ocean robin]

[ivory jolt]

bell, für doesnt go with dative does it

[red pewter]

i don't know

[pine ginkgo]

Bell ignores us :(

[red pewter]

i'm slower than flaps 😦

i'm trying to keep up

[ocean robin]

Having another alternative than Gen here is hard, isn't it? 🤔

[red pewter]

thanks ❤

[ivory jolt]

if you wanted to use für, it would be für DEN, but then i dont think it sounds natural, still, it is understandable

[opal sequoia]

Don't forget you can always look at a chart like this if you're not sure: https://www.lsa.umich.edu/german/hmr/Grammatik/Praepositionen/Prepositions.html

[red pewter]

Heißer Kaffee ohne Zucker ist nicht das Lieblingsgetränk für den hilfreichen Chuck

[ivory jolt]

i think the Germans would say das Lieblingsgetränk VON Chuck

[ocean robin]

Remember this.

[sturdy shadow]

Nice handwriting

[ocean robin]

Should put that in #resources tbh

[lavish saddle]

ewy a chart

There are many things like that in resources already, I believe

[ocean robin]

Okay there's some French but eh

Thanks Erik ;u;

[ivory jolt]

no bell, für den Chuck or just für Chuck

[opal sequoia]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221709483284496394/339907286048964619/eDSIrIY.png

[lavish saddle]

Yeah, that's the one I'm used to

[ocean robin]

^

[lavish saddle]

all of my teachers hand those out

[red pewter]

why not des?

[ocean robin]

Des is Gen.

[opal sequoia]

Für takes accusative.

[ivory jolt]

because des is genitive

[red pewter]

oh

:/

[ivory jolt]

for masculine and neutral

[opal sequoia]

When you have a preposition, it basically overrides other case stuff.

[pine ginkgo]

...wo kommt das für überhaupt her

[red pewter]

Heißer Kaffee ohne Zucker ist nicht das Lieblingsgetränk für den hilfreichen Chuck

[pine ginkgo]

Fällt mir grad auf

[ivory jolt]

naja darüber hab ich schon gesprochen. Das klingt seltsam

möchte allerdings erklären, dass für nicht zu dativ passt

[opal sequoia]

Okay, next one: Everyone likes bright sunny days.

[ivory jolt]

it is correct now bell, but it sounds weird, germans would use Genitive

try it next time

[red pewter]

okay.

[ocean robin]

Jeder mag helle sonnige Tage. c:

[red pewter]

Jedermann mag helle sonnige Tage.

[ancient spade]

Good morning everyone!

[red pewter]

ooh ❤

[lavish saddle]

beautiful

[ocean robin]

Hey Macaco. Lucky you.

[ancient spade]

Hahah yeah

Very close to my house

[ivory jolt]

u both forgot commas

[lavish saddle]

That's awesome 😄

[ancient spade]

I pretty much just need to walk down the street

[ocean robin]

Commas?!

[ivory jolt]

wait

kels

[ocean robin]

The hell are commas here

[lavish saddle]

I dunno if it's that way in german 😄

but I though it does

[ivory jolt]

do we need commas?

[lavish saddle]

helle, sonnige Tage

[ocean robin]

I don't think so 🤔

[lavish saddle]

🤔 I know that's for English

@thick charm

can you help us out quickly

[ivory jolt]

hes afk

[lavish saddle]

🤔 hmm

sec

[hot oriole]

Ich würde einen Beistrich setzen. helle, sonnige Tage

[lavish saddle]

boyfriend says yes

or more like

''I think so''

but Atlas also thinks so

[ivory jolt]

i would say yes

commas

[ocean robin]

but I thought commas were there to separate clauses

🤔

[lavish saddle]

yes, but this is used in english too

[ivory jolt]

oh i dont need to anyway atlas already confirmed

[lavish saddle]

and commas are supposed to seperate clauses in english too

we just overuse them

[opal sequoia]

Yeah, commas are used for lots of things.

[lavish saddle]

Everyone likes bright, sunny days

it seperates it so it doesn't look like a sausage of adjs

[opal sequoia]

But the thing with adjectives is it's not hard to read it either way, so it's not important.

[red pewter]

Jedermann mag helle, sonnige Tage.

[opal sequoia]

Whereas if you misuse other types of commas, it is hard to read.

[ancient spade]

Yeah, it's really, annoying sometimes, too

[ivory jolt]

well, i would say Alle mögen helle und sonnige Tage

[hot oriole]

But in this case I'd use und to seperate them

[lavish saddle]

That killed my brain Macaco 😄

[ancient spade]

LOL mission accomplished

[lavish saddle]

My brain just wants to pause there xD

then it's like...wait

but

wut

[ancient spade]

Hahaha unfortunately people do misuse it quite often

[lavish saddle]

My teacher always told us

when in doubt, don't use the comma

[opal sequoia]

That's dangerous. 😄

[red pewter]

Jedermann mag helle und sonnige Tage.

[lavish saddle]

because it's most likely an overusage...I know xD but if you're not sure in the first place

it's most likely an overusage

especially as a teen

ugh, commas just get thrown everywhere 😄

[ivory jolt]

do germans really say Jedermann, in sentences like this?

[ancient spade]

Hahah

[opal sequoia]

Commas aren't that hard.

[hot oriole]

Those things are also difficult for native speakers. 😕

[lavish saddle]

I know, instead of saying that, he could've just given us a couple of days worth of comma practice lol

[opal sequoia]

Anyway, let's do another sentence with adjectives. One of you other B level people: give Flappy and cbell a sentence with adjectives.

In English.

[red pewter]

Please ❤

[lavish saddle]

Ya'll are so motivated 😄 I like it

[ivory jolt]

do you like soft, fluffy puppies?

there u go

[ocean robin]

I am nit here yet.

I am here in fact lol

[red pewter]

Magst du weiche, flaumige Welpen?

[ocean robin]

Magst du weiche, flauschige Welpen?

I love that synchronization :')

[red pewter]

❤

[ivory jolt]

where are the other ppl

[ocean robin]

IDK Nico

[red pewter]

chuck said brb in 10

[ocean robin]

They floppsed away

[opal sequoia]

I am here.

[ivory jolt]

both means fluffy but the bad thing is i dont know which one is used for dogs in german

[ocean robin]

Look, the mods are online 👀

[red pewter]

mine said "downy, fuzzy" too

[opal sequoia]

Well, it's fine. We're only practicing declension anyway.

[red pewter]

so I'd assume I could use it for doggos

[ocean robin]

gotta ask them if necessary 🤔

rip

[ivory jolt]

@quasi merlin

[quasi merlin]

Flauschig

[ivory jolt]

love you mika

mika mika mii

[ocean robin]

lel hello mikah

[whole rapids]

fluffig can work too, so says my gf

[ocean robin]

🤔

[ivory jolt]

yeah, the word in my head was fluffig

[quasi merlin]

fluffig also works

[ivory jolt]

while flaumig is kinda for eggs

[red pewter]

no flaumig 💔

[whole rapids]

NEW SENTENCE:

Above him was the pure blue sky with the eternal Sun, which never sank below the endless horizon.

[ocean robin]

👀

[ivory jolt]

oh wow

[ocean robin]

#pferdwantstokillus

[red pewter]

D:

[whole rapids]

nothing you can't manage

[ivory jolt]

thats some B2 C1 stuff

[whole rapids]

naw

[ivory jolt]

gotta go take a shower l8r

[opal sequoia]

Enjoy.

[whole rapids]

latergator, get good and clean

[ivory jolt]

oh yes i do love showers

in fact, i would like to marry showers

ok sorry this is too much

[whole rapids]

clean your mind too

[ocean robin]

Über ihn war der reine blaue Himmel mit der ewigen Sonne, die nie darunter den endlos Horizont absenkt.

🤔

[ivory jolt]

endlosen

[ocean robin]

ahhhh

[ivory jolt]

@twilit garden can u check

[red pewter]

Über ihn war der reine blaue Himmel mit der ewigen Sonne, welche nie unten den endlosen Horizont versank.

[opal sequoia]

Pferd can check. 😄

[ocean robin]

[ivory jolt]

hes gone

[opal sequoia]

Since he says the sentence is easy.

[whole rapids]

l0l

brb 30 mins

[opal sequoia]

Wow.

[ivory jolt]

😐

[ocean robin]

LOL

[twilit garden]

*Über ihm

[ocean robin]

WHAT

WHY DATIVE

[twilit garden]

what do you mean with "reine blaue Himmel"

[whole rapids]

it's a location

[ocean robin]

Pure blue sky 🤔

[red pewter]

"The pure blue sky was above him" okay fair play

[ocean robin]

nemo, don't tell me those are the only mistakes

Three should be others

[twilit garden]

hm that's a bit hard to translate 1:1

there are others, i will get to them

[ocean robin]

Pferd said it was ez

[red pewter]

Translating 1:1 is about all I'm capable for tbh

[opal sequoia]

Yeah, that's why we've been doing the shorter more focussed sentences. Quick and easy to learn with.

For A level.

[whole rapids]

yeah sorry mb, but you both did well

[opal sequoia]

No problem.

[twilit garden]

Über ihm war der wolkenlose blaue Himmel mit der ewigen Sonne, die nie unter den endlosen Horizont (ver-)sank

[ocean robin]

goddamn

i did progress out there 🤔

5 errors?

[red pewter]

we got pretty close

[twilit garden]

i don't know if pure relates to blue or the sky

[ocean robin]

Got vocab wrongo for me

And cases, other than that eh

[red pewter]

I'm fine with not getting that perfect :33

[opal sequoia]

A pure blue sky is liek a sky that's that really bright and clean clear blue colour like you see on a bright sunny day.

So anything that fits that in German is fine.

[twilit garden]

in German you could say "wolkenloser (blauer) Himmel", "azurblauer Himmel" or "strahlend blauer Himmel"

[opal sequoia]

Thank you.

[quasi merlin]

"klarer blauer Himmel", maybe?

[twilit garden]

that too

[opal sequoia]

Flappy and cbell, don't worry about the whole sentence but just make sure you look at the adjectives.

[twilit garden]

i think "strahlend blauer Himmel" is the most natural way of translating it here (at least to me)

[opal sequoia]

It sounds nice.

[red pewter]

i think the only one i didn't get was the one for pure

the others match

[opal sequoia]

The declension too?

[red pewter]

ja

[opal sequoia]

Okay, awesome!

I would give you some more but I have to go to sleep in a second.

[red pewter]

thank you so much for your help ❤

[opal sequoia]

Of course, any time. ❤

Someone else could give you some things to practice, but otherwise... I think it might be cool if you both write maybe a paragraph or two, about anything, like a story scene or whatever you like, and use as many adjectives as you can (within reason).

And post in #writing

[red pewter]

okay. I'll work on that today!

[opal sequoia]

I'll look forward to reading it.

Gute Nacht. 😴

[lavish saddle]

Good night, Base!

[sudden panther]

Y'all orrible.

[red pewter]

nacht!

why??

[sudden panther]

Good night Base!

No particular reason. I'm just memeing a bit. You're all lovely. ❤

[pine ginkgo]

y'all arremobile

[red pewter]

❤

[sudden panther]

I like driving in my arremobile.

[opal sequoia]

Arremobile. 😄

🚜

[ocean robin]

Good night Base.

[sudden panther]

Hey Flops. Translate the man you saw is dead.

[stark drift]

Die Fraue was du seght ist ded

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ocean robin]

``Das Mann, den du sahst, ist gestroben."

[fair iron]

Flappy, please.

[sudden panther]

^

[ocean robin]

[fair iron]

Of all the nouns, the gender of man should be obvious.

[sudden panther]

I won't even comment. Or I wasn't going to. Until Casca spoiled it.

[ocean robin]

Holy HELL

I SAD DAS MANN

AH.

[cold vessel]

Das Mannchen

[ocean robin]

THAT'S UGH.

[red pewter]

Der Mann, den du sahst ist gestorben

[sudden panther]

Also try not to mix your tenses. Stick with one.

[stark drift]

Everyone knows it's Die Mann

¯_(ツ)_/¯

and Der Frau

[sudden panther]

Der Frau works, depending on the sentence it's in. 😄

[stark drift]

😮

[sudden panther]

But it would be dative. 😉

[fair iron]

Dank der Frau konnten wir uns was zu Essen leisten.

^

[ocean robin]

I feel so dumb

[sudden panther]

Or genitive.

[ocean robin]

Das Mann - Flops 2017