general-2

[pine ginkgo]

flappsy

[sudden panther]

Check your verb again, please.

[pine ginkgo]

either perfect or präteritum

not präsens

[ocean robin]

goddamn

how whai

[sudden panther]

Just go for perfect, you don't mess it up as much. 😛

[ocean robin]

Yeah. Okay.

"Ich habe ihr geschrieben"

[sudden panther]

And for the reference schr__ieb != schrei__b.

Is that the whole sentence? 😛

[ocean robin]

There is "next week" missing.

[sudden panther]

Well actually that's completely wrong. 🤔 Your English sentence isn't in the past.

[pine ginkgo]

did we fix the first sentence already?

[ocean robin]

That's why I said future first!

[sudden panther]

Then give us the whole sentence with Futur. 😄

[pine ginkgo]

i blame arrem

[sudden panther]

I blame her. I just told her to translate stuff, she chose the sentence herself. 😦

[opal sequoia]

Well, to be fair, if Flappy knows the sentence she should be able to say that past is incorrect.

[ocean robin]

But I was confused as fok

[opal sequoia]

You have to be confident, Flappy, and not let confusion get in your way!

[sudden panther]

Keyword: was. Now that you've stopped, give us the sentence.

[ocean robin]

Wow, wise words, will do!

[brave grotto]

The thing that gets me is how the article changes for plural. It really messes me with me. I try to get der Mann stuck in my head but then when I'm reviewing die Männer it confuses me and so on occasion I'd find myself writing die Mann. It's a massive nightmare for me.

[ocean robin]

"Ich werde ihr nächste Woche schreiben"

[sudden panther]

Agreed. Plurals should have genders too. Which shouldn't necessarily be same as the gender of the singular.

[brave grotto]

This language is bloody difficult.

[sudden panther]

Now find the mistake, Flops.

[pine ginkgo]

it's alright sustained

you gonna do it

[ocean robin]

This language is bloody amazing.

[pine ginkgo]

or rather, you must do it

if you can manage it

[ocean robin]

WTF THERE IS A MISTAKE

[pine ginkgo]

you will be able to learn similar languages more easily

[opal sequoia]

Amazing, Arrem.

[pine ginkgo]

SPOILER

[ocean robin]

ARREM WHAI.

[pine ginkgo]

BAD SAGGY

[sudden panther]

Immer diese Spaßverderber.

[pine ginkgo]

there's one time

[ocean robin]

[pine ginkgo]

where we try to make flappy have self-worth

and then you come and put her back down

:(

[ocean robin]

wow rude

Actually, I think they do that, that way I can have more self-confidence

[pine ginkgo]

because flappsy has problems knowing when she is right or not

[sudden panther]

Look, I didn't want to react the first time, but if you don't care, then do be kind enough to stay out. They have their own workflow and interrupting it because you "don't care" isn't really nice.

[pine ginkgo]

so we make her be confident

[opal sequoia]

Actually... what is the reason you're here if you don't care about people learning?

[ocean robin]

Base has a point.

[pine ginkgo]

anyway

flaps flaps

[ocean robin]

yes

[pine ginkgo]

did you correct the first sentence already?

i think i missed that

[ocean robin]

Uh, not the "I will write to her next week"?

[pine ginkgo]

the one before

[ocean robin]

🤔

[sudden panther]

"Er hat ins Kino gestern gegangen."

[ocean robin]

What was it again

OH

*ist

[pine ginkgo]

you really have the memory of a goldfish

[ocean robin]

b-but

ok i must admit that yes sometimes

[sudden panther]

Yes, ist.

[pine ginkgo]

okay, good!

[ocean robin]

[sudden panther]

Could you maybe rethink your placement of 'gestern' though? It's not wrong, but moving it might make it sound more natural.

[pine ginkgo]

okay

really

[ocean robin]

That's what I was going to say Arrem.

[pine ginkgo]

what is your problem, saggy

[ocean robin]

"Gestern ins Kino gegangen"

[sudden panther]

Correcto. Full sentence.

[pine ginkgo]

did we?

[ocean robin]

"Er ist gestern ins Kino gegangen"

[pine ginkgo]

i don't remember saying that

[sudden panther]

You can tell her about her mistakes, just don't give her the answer straight away. Let her come to it herself.

[pine ginkgo]

okay stop

let's stop

[ocean robin]

Hell no, I don't want to learn in those conditions.

[gilded kraken]

@opal sequoia One more week! :D

[opal sequoia]

One week is sooooo long.

[gilded kraken]

Hahah, it'll go quicker than you think, though! :P

[sudden panther]

James. ❤

[ancient spade]

Singingbanana

[valid ice]

🎵 🍌

[hot cloak]

this sentence...

Ich habe es nächste Woche geschafft

[ocean robin]

when flops has finally mastered the genitive

[cold vessel]

Oh, Duolingo has French->German? Neat

[hot cloak]

@cold vessel has it in most languages 😄

there's duolingo Norwegian, they might have a Norwegian<->German

[cold vessel]

No

[hot cloak]

if not that, probably swedish

aww

to console you, I will speak norwegian.

Jeg er brød.

[cold vessel]

There are no courses that teach in a Scandinvian language

[hot cloak]

Jag är bröd?

Ég er brauð...

[cold vessel]

In most of the languages English is the only one taught

And a Scandinavian->English course wouldn't be very useful

How many languages do you know that sentence in?

[ocean robin]

Who?

[cold vessel]

Mitch

[hot cloak]

a few

[brave grotto]

No point in Scandinavian -> English. Scandinavians are the best English speakers on Earth.

i.e. better than the Brits even.

[full falcon]

Note to myself, Lederhosen isn't a good idea when it's cold outside

[brazen gale]

Hey people, I have some general questions about studying in Germany. Anyone around?

[twilit garden]

i am around

[brazen gale]

Great!

So I wished to study International Relations, but there were a couple of problems and I couldn't be admitted. (I did, actually, but it was too late - I can't make it to enrolment deadline sadly)

Anyway, since I am not going to give up and apply again, this time I decided to apply to couple of other studies too, because as you probably know, not many universities have International Relations.

I have made some research and came across Business Studies. It looks promising and seems to be a good choice for me but I am just not sure about the jobs it offers after graduating. Do you know anything about it?

[twilit garden]

Sorry, but that is not my field of expertise - i am a chemistry student and i don't know anything about job opportunities in that area :/

[sudden panther]

Quick Flops, what's wrong with your next sentence? 😛

[opal sequoia]

Flappyyyy.

Speak me some Deutsch.

[ocean robin]

Yeeees.

Wot what. Where are my sentences again.

[sudden panther]

You tell us. 😛

Repost them pls.

[full falcon]

they flew away °-°

[ocean robin]

Sure thing.

Here are the sentences.

That I didn't correct yet.

[ancient spade]

Nice handwriting 😄

[ocean robin]

Thank you. ❤

[sudden panther]

Except the Ns and Ms. I hate them. 😛

[ocean robin]

[ancient spade]

What's wrong with them? Hahaha

[ocean robin]

Sometimes you can't see if it's an S or a N with my handwriting

You must look... closely...

[sudden panther]

Sometimes it's n sometimes it's m and sometimes it's nm.

The amount of arches kinda changes at times and it bothers me. 😛

[ancient spade]

Haha I see

[ocean robin]

And this is the exercise.

[ancient spade]

I've always wanted to work on my handwriting

[sudden panther]

So Flops where were we? 😛

[ocean robin]

We finished the "I'll write to her next week"

Next sentence which is wrong then. You said 2/11 were right.

[cold vessel]

Are you using English homework to practice German?

[ocean robin]

Yep.

[sudden panther]

No, Solet said that. 😛

So, what's wrong with your third one?

[ocean robin]

"Er hat sie letztes Jahr getroffen."

uuuuh

I have no idea

[sudden panther]

Really?

[ocean robin]

Yes

Don't tell mw it was correct and then "lul just for finding that you're confident"

[sudden panther]

I didn't say it was correct. 😉

[ocean robin]

[sudden panther]

I just asked if you saw a mistake. 😛

[ocean robin]

No, I don't.

[sudden panther]

And are you confident enough to claim that there is indeed no mistake in that sentence? 😛

[brazen gale]

I am very sorry @twilit garden my internet connection was down and I couldn't answer. @sudden panther what?

[ocean robin]

Umm...

[sudden panther]

Sorry?

[ocean robin]

You're out of the conversation, that's why you don't understand what we're saying. 😛

[brazen gale]

Yeah, I am just trying to catch up 😛

[opal sequoia]

Flappy is practicing some German with Arrem tutoring.

[ocean robin]

Let's say that YES ARREM THERE IS NO MISTAKES HERE. I CAN'T SEE ANY. WHERE WHAT.

[sudden panther]

Willing to bet? We kick you if there's a mistake?

[ocean robin]

HELL NO

[lunar urchin]

regarding your question @brazen gale did you read what wikipedia has to say about the field?

[sudden panther]

Ahahahaha. Nah, it's fine. 😉

[lunar urchin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_studies

[sudden panther]

How about the fourth one? 😄

[brazen gale]

Okay the first link you sent, I am glad it is not the one related to Business Studies 😛

[ocean robin]

"Wenn er kommt an, er wurde dir helfen".

I want to switch the er and the wurde.

Because comma.

[sudden panther]

Also since other people are using this channel, we should maybe move tthis to #questions.

[ocean robin]

Yes.

[cold vessel]

Learning in #questions? Preposterous

[sudden panther]

Give me your corrections there. 😄

[brazen gale]

Yes I have read some stuff online, yet it wasn't satisfying so I hoped someone knew more about it @lunar urchin

I mean, maybe someone studied it or someone who knows someone who studied it? 😛

[lunar urchin]

i know someone from Zambia who studied that and interned at a Swiss bank

bc she lived with us for that three months and worked for the same bank as my wife does

[brazen gale]

Hmm. Was she happy with her choice of studies?

[lunar urchin]

oh yes

i mean, it was possible for her to come to Switzerland for an internship, so I think that enabled her to do so...

[brazen gale]

Ah okay, that makes sense

Thanks man, I will look more into it

[lunar urchin]

I mean you could do many different jobs

Business Studies is a broad subject in the Social Sciences, allowing the in-depth study of a range of specialities such as accountancy, finance, organisation,human resources management and marketing

[brazen gale]

Yeah that is why I found it impressive. Thanks again

[ancient spade]

Anyway, here's our f

Hahah

Yeah, that's weird too

[whole rapids]

Fe

[twilit garden]

Li

[opal sequoia]

Ne

[hot cloak]

@twilit garden so "Das Gelächter" ?

What does that translate to?

[thick charm]

the laughter

[stoic granite]

Mitch why is your face your profile picture

[twilit garden]

laughter, guffaw

[stoic granite]

That's so dangerous

And a great way to get doxxed

[hot cloak]

🤦

[twilit garden]

Mitch can take care of himself

[placid heath]

Fowars, it's not more dangerous than any crazy person on facebook lol

[stoic granite]

Yeah and Facebook is the number one way to doxx info

People who use Facebook are so unaware

[hot cloak]

go ahead and dox me, idgaf

[stoic granite]

I'm not going to do that

I'm just saying

[placid heath]

But still people are using it. Maybe being doxxed is not on their list of priorities?

[hot cloak]

so that is "the laughter", but how does that differ from

"Das Lachende" vs "Das Gelächter?

[stoic granite]

It's easy for someone else to do it

[pine ginkgo]

Das Lachende -> The laughing thing

[stoic granite]

Doxxing isn't the the start of it guys

[twilit garden]

Das Lachen - the laughter
Der Lachende/die Lachende - the one who is laughing

Das Gelächter - the laughter

[pine ginkgo]

oh

[stoic granite]

Stuff like that can be used for fraud, impersonation, stalking, etc

[hot cloak]

okay the #1 and #3

[pine ginkgo]

yeah in addtion to what nemo is saying

[hot cloak]

Lachen, Gelächter

both = 'the laughter'? no difference?

[twilit garden]

Gelächter might be a bad example here

[hot cloak]

🤔

okay how about a different verb

[twilit garden]

it is a word on its own and has some different connotations from time to time

Das Essen vs. Das Gegessene

[hot cloak]

okay

[twilit garden]

how about that one

[hot cloak]

the food vs the eating?

[twilit garden]

The food vs. the stuff that has been eaten

[hot cloak]

oh man

this doesn't work the way it does in english then

i keep thinking it still is the verb, but as a noun

such as "The eating"

[twilit garden]

Das Essen

[hot cloak]

essen is the literal noun, "the food", no?

not the act of eating the food?

[twilit garden]

both

[hot cloak]

oh man

[twilit garden]

"Essen ist schön"

1. Food is nice
2. Eating is nice

[pine ginkgo]

the problem is

if you make "eat" a noun in german

it's the same as an already existing proper noun

so it can get confusing

[hot cloak]

okay okay, we need another verb

how about laufen

gelauft?

[pine ginkgo]

Das Gelaufe

[hot cloak]

"Das Laufen"
"Das Laufende"
"Das Gelaufe"

differnces?

[twilit garden]

*das Laufend__e__

[hot cloak]

ik the endings are a problem, but right now im just trying to figure out the differences

between the concepts

[twilit garden]

1. Running
2. The one who is running
3. The running (but has a negative connotation, as if it is done with poor quality or on the side)

[hot cloak]

🤔

is #1 vs #3 true for all verbs?

[pine ginkgo]

Das Laufen -> the run/running
Das Laufende -> the running thing, or the one who runs
Das Gelaufe -> the run/running that is/has been done

i would say it like that 🤔

[hot cloak]

"the having been running"?

[pine ginkgo]

eh

[hot cloak]

or... "the having had ran/run(?)"

[pine ginkgo]

wait

[twilit garden]

well, remember how the partizip ii is constructed

[hot cloak]

ge + stem + t
ge + stem + en

?

[pine ginkgo]

also the meaning of the partizip 2

[hot cloak]

@pine ginkgo that's what I'm asking

[pine ginkgo]

You normally use it in perfect (or plusquamp perfect)

[hot cloak]

right right

[pine ginkgo]

so it means it's a "thing" that has been finish

[hot cloak]

perf/futur/plusquam/ all passives

Yep

[pine ginkgo]

"I have run" -> mean you have completed a run

so in german "Ich bin gelaufen" -> you are done with your run

if you make it a noun

[hot cloak]

so, "Das Gelaufe" = "The running I have completed"?

[pine ginkgo]

yeah

[hot cloak]

or is more of just a statement?

"I have completed running"

[twilit garden]

no

[pine ginkgo]

no

it's a noun

not a sentence

if you make it a noun

[hot cloak]

hmm

[twilit garden]

Das Gelaufe will ich mir nicht ansehen

[hot cloak]

how would you use "Gelaufe" in a sentence then

ah nemo beat me to it

[pine ginkgo]

yep

[hot cloak]

Uhhhhhhh http://prntscr.com/gmber8

google translate

[pine ginkgo]

not sure why, but what nemo was saying earlier is kinda important too

[twilit garden]

I don't want to watch the running

[hot cloak]

right haha

[pine ginkgo]

about how the construction is perceived kinda in a negative way

[twilit garden]

Das Gelaufe
Das Gelaufene

two different things

[hot cloak]

whoa

why

[pine ginkgo]

oh shit

right

[hot cloak]

????

first time seeing the second

[pine ginkgo]

nemo smartz

[twilit garden]

i think that is part of our confusion of how to explain it

[hot cloak]

i thought the ge + stem + en

is only for strong verbs?

like gegangen

what is this new thing? 🤔

[twilit garden]

Das Gegangene - the thing that has been walked (a distance for example)

I mixed things up

Ge- is a prefix for nouns and i forgot about it
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ge-#German

[hot cloak]

whoa whoa

okay

so i'm not talking about it as a prefix for nouns

i'm specfically talking about Partizip II

or...?

maybe i am ?

idk

[stoic granite]

For being an IT guy you don't seem very secure with technology

[hot cloak]

I actually just don't give a fuck @stoic granite

reverse image searching my pic isn't hard

[twilit garden]

yes, but that is the difference between

das Gelaufene (nominalised participle ii) and
das Gelaufe (Ge- + verbal noun)

[stoic granite]

I didn't do that

[hot cloak]

@twilit garden why is it "Gelaufene"

and not Gelaufte?

[twilit garden]

ich bin gelaufen

you add an -e and you're done

[stoic granite]

Alright well I'm just trying to help so don't be such a dick

[hot cloak]

hmm

but isn't it "ich habe gelauft"?

or is that not Partizip II?

[twilit garden]

to be fair, you did not seem like offering help at any point

gelauft does not exist

[stoic granite]

How so?

[hot cloak]

bahahahahahahah

[stoic granite]

Well if you ever get into anything with anyone in the future, you're gonna have a rough time is all I'm saying

[hot cloak]

@twilit garden so... the rule for Partizip II... "ge + stem + t"

for weak verbs

and ge + stem + en for strong verbs

[twilit garden]

what is that supposed to mean @stoic granite

is that supposed to be a threat?

[stoic granite]

No it isn't

[hot cloak]

@stoic granite i've dealt with my fair share of script kiddies, dw.

[twilit garden]

or is it supposed to be an insult?

[stoic granite]

"Script kiddies" don't always exist man. I'm not trying to threaten you or insult you, just giving you my insight

[hot cloak]

Scripting in german?

and i'm also in a masters program for cyber operations... and you're lecturing me about cyber security...

[stoic granite]

People who might not like you in the future, and I'm not saying that's me

[hot cloak]

can we ban these guys?

[pine ginkgo]

hey guys

can you stop

[hot cloak]

Hey

[stoic granite]

That's cool dude. You seem like a pro in security

[pine ginkgo]

and go back to grammar

[hot cloak]

anyway ---- back ---- to ---- this

what?

@🌈 Nemoses so... the rule for Partizip II... "ge + stem + t"(edited)
for weak verbs
and ge + stem + en for strong verbs

[twilit garden]

yes

[hot cloak]

Im here for the drama

is that right?

[viscid cape]

Why don't you guys stop fighting and enjoy @hot cloak 's joy of painting.

[hot cloak]

What @viscid cape ?

[twilit garden]

i watched an episode of it just today

[hot cloak]

@twilit garden Which one?

[thick charm]

There's something about Bob Ross saying "I'm here for the drama" that just cracks me up

[stoic granite]

I wasn't trying to fight but apparently master hacker over here gets super defensive

[twilit garden]

it was a blue cold mountain

[thick charm]

drop it

[hot cloak]

Nice

[twilit garden]

stop calling others provoking names

see this as a warning

[hot cloak]

Can i call them names as a part of german exercise?

how am I being defensive? I've told you multiple times I don't care, change the subject.

[thick charm]

Call me maybe

[twilit garden]

if you have consent

[hot cloak]

If not?

consential german insulting

I approve

[thick charm]

^

[pine ginkgo]

that's what i do to chuck

[thick charm]

yeah

[twilit garden]

i would not advise that, Bob

[hot cloak]

I think we should allowe that behavior if its in german

seems only fair

[stoic granite]

Lernen wie zu "hacken Computern" in Schule machen dich gut nicht

[hot cloak]

lolwhat

[stoic granite]

Für <2years

[thick charm]

Dude, you aren't getting anywhere with this. Let's just drop it and it's all good.

[hot cloak]

Can we ban everyone?

[thick charm]

We're just here to learn some stuff, not to get mad at each other.

[hot cloak]

But what should i do when i get mad @thick charm ?

lmao

[twilit garden]

walk it off

[thick charm]

Bob Ross doesn't get angry

[hot cloak]

Yeah but other people do

[thick charm]

let it out on me?

[hot cloak]

Maybe i am not selfish and asking for the whole community

bob ross paints

[thick charm]

That's one way

[twilit garden]

see it as a happy little accident

[hot cloak]

happy little trees accidents

[twilit garden]

oh look, this tree wants a friend

[thick charm]

🌳 🌲

[twilit garden]

@hot cloak

[stoic granite]

I hate positivity. Why do you guys have to be so positive

[twilit garden]

i know what you can do when you get angry

beat the devil out of it

[hot cloak]

do you like angela?

[thick charm]

There's enough negativity in life, so I decided to be positive instead.

[twilit garden]

we only talk about politics in #german-only

[thick charm]

Life's way easier if you just chill every now and then

[stoic granite]

So will I get banned if I continue to argue?

[hot cloak]

GOGOGOGO

kill them all @stoic granite

[stoic granite]

No

I don't intend to get banned

[hot cloak]

arguing for zero reason, interrupting a convo

[thick charm]

If I had a say in this I'd say you're free to do whatever you want, but you won't get anywhere with this.

[twilit garden]

you will, if you don't respect other people

also

● Heated discussions of any kind have no place here.

[opal sequoia]

No you.

[hot cloak]

Can we get a judge?

@opal sequoia no YOU

someone has to get banned

[stoic granite]

Mitch lets settle this in PMs like real men

[opal sequoia]

😠

[stoic granite]

/s

[twilit garden]

stop the talk about banning people, Bob

[hot cloak]

why are you looking for a fight? dude what is wrong with you

no one cares

[stoic granite]

I'm joking

Note the /s

[hot cloak]

i did 9/11 hehe i am joking /s

[thick charm]

Right, I'm out. Tell me when we go back to grammar stuff.

Take care

[hot cloak]

@thick charm 🤦

@thick charm

Tell me when someone gets banned

[stoic granite]

We can ban you

How bout that

[hot cloak]

just stop here

[pine ginkgo]

can you stop

oh nully :x

[hot cloak]

👋

[stoic granite]

Yes I'll stop

[hot cloak]

Yeah ban me

I think its beneficial for everyone

[pine ginkgo]

really

guys

can it

[hot cloak]

i have to die for germans sins

[gusty grove]

Are you still trolling Discord language-servers? I saw you around at least three months ago doing the same.

[twilit garden]

stop memeing, Bob

now

[hot cloak]

They caught me

i am done for

[gusty grove]

We ended up having to ban him in the Danish one. I'd say just to it here and get it over with.

[hot cloak]

Danish one?

Nice

i dont think i have been there though

bob ross is a common meme name to have

could have been anyone

the #4224 is what would solve it

[twilit garden]

@hot cloak laufen is a strong verb

[viscid cape]

How do you call mixed verbs in German

Weder stark noch schwach, sondern

Mittelmäßig 😂

[twilit garden]

and it also appears to be irregular @hot cloak

[hot cloak]

ah, it must be

I was so confused

[twilit garden]

it does the change in the 2nd and 3rd person for example

du l__äu__fst, er l__äu__ft

[hot cloak]

okay so a common, weak, regular verb

Kochen?

Infinitive: kochen P2: gekocht P1, noun - "Das Kochende" P2, noun - "Das Gekochte"

[twilit garden]

Das Kochende for P1

[hot cloak]

oops

yup

so, "Das Gekochte" --- is that

"the having cooked"?

[twilit garden]

the cooked stuff

[hot cloak]

aw man is this like Essen

[twilit garden]

the stuff that has been prepared to eat

in a sense, yes

but not grammatically ^^

[hot cloak]

i need a verb to make P2, as a noun, without it already being a noun

[twilit garden]

streichen

try that one

it has a vowel change in the middle

Gestrichene

[hot cloak]

oh right right

wait isn't it "ie"?

like Schreiben -> geschrieben?

[twilit garden]

not here

[hot cloak]

🇩🇪 lol ¯_(ツ)_/¯

anyway

okay, so

P1: "Das Streichende" P2: "Das Gestrichene"

the brushing

the having brushed

[twilit garden]

sorry, my bad again

it's irregular too 🤦

[hot cloak]

🇩🇪

[twilit garden]

i get why german learners feel like walking through a minefield now

[hot cloak]

for every rule there are 2 a lot of exceptions

[twilit garden]

try sammeln

[hot cloak]

weee

okay

or...

maybe I don't know

P1: Sammelnde?

[twilit garden]

you forgot the d

heh

i guess i picked a bad one because it has no e before the n

[hot cloak]

P1: Sammelnde
P2: Gesammelte

[twilit garden]

*das Gesammelte

[hot cloak]

conjugation out of the way

Das Sammelnde = "The collecting"
Das Gesammelte = "The having collected"

[twilit garden]

Der Sammelnde hat schon viel Geld bekommen
The one who collects already has received a lot of money

Das Gesammelte wird sicher aufbewahrt
The collected [stuff] is kept safely

[hot cloak]

man I am really not understanding this

@twilit garden I think those are nouns, that already existed, and aren't P1/P2

"Der Sammelnde" would be like "The collector" in english...?

[twilit garden]

they are both

[hot cloak]

how would you say "The collecting"

[twilit garden]

"Der Sammler" or "Der Sammelnde" both work for "the collector"

"The collecting" [the act of it] would best translate to "Das Sammeln"

[hot cloak]

but "Das Sammeln" isn't P1/P2?

what is that?

[twilit garden]

it's a nominalised verb

[hot cloak]

🤦

i had been thinking P1/P2 was what nominalised verbs were

now I don't know lol

[twilit garden]

oooh

[hot cloak]

you see what i've been trying to say? hahaha

[twilit garden]

yeah, i understand the confusion ^^

the differences in usage make it hard to understand

i still remember Latin using the same method for the P1 which made it easy

oh and Swedish too

ui and French is similar too

[hot cloak]

i think this may be too over my head right now

Das Sammelde - stuff that is being collected Das Gesammelte - the stuff that was collected

[twilit garden]

*Der/die/das Sammelnde

and the nominalised version of the P1 is for the one who is doing the action

Der Sammelnde/ der sammelnde Mann
The searching [one]/the searching man

[hot cloak]

ooookay

but how is that not an adjective?

[twilit garden]

the [one] might be the key to understanding it

[hot cloak]

"Der Sammelnde Mann"

[twilit garden]

well in "der sammelnde Mann" it is an adjective

[hot cloak]

^---- can't be right, no?

right

ahhhhh

okay

[twilit garden]

"Der Sammelnde" is a noun

[hot cloak]

okay

so "Der Sammelnde" implies "man"

so would "Die Sammelnde" imply a collecting woman?

[twilit garden]

a woman that is doing collecting

exactly

[hot cloak]

and "Das Sammelnde" just... a collecting thing?

could it be an animal?

or would the animal take its article?

"Die sammelnde Katze"?

[twilit garden]

i was just writing exactly that ^^

yes

but then it's not a noun anymore

[hot cloak]

ahhhh right lmaoooo

of course

[twilit garden]

and you have to write it with a small s

[hot cloak]

yep

i get it, the noun implies... its a person

right

[twilit garden]

that is something that a lot of natives get wrong [including me]

the spelling that is

[hot cloak]

what do you mean?

the forming of P1/P2?

[twilit garden]

das Gespielte
der Spielende

that you have to capitalise them

[hot cloak]

🤔

why is it "das Gespielte"?

but "der Spielende"?

[twilit garden]

because natives still think of the noun but don't realise that it is a noun, grammatically

das Gespielte is P2

der/die/das Spielende

that is P1

[hot cloak]

why is it only das for P2?

[twilit garden]

it can have all genders too

but those are the most common articles you use with these two constructions

it is the stuff that got played

[hot cloak]

😠

so it changes

so P1 is a person, that does something

but P2, is the thing, that gets done?

[twilit garden]

yes

yes

[hot cloak]

this is so complicated

[twilit garden]

P1 is active
P2 is passive

if that makes any sense to you

[hot cloak]

so P2-as-a-noun is only used in passiv? <--- no

[twilit garden]

the verb in the sentence can be whatever

I meant that the construction is a passive one
the thing that got Xed

nah, i was just using verb terminology on nouns, which was a bad idea 😅

[hot cloak]

okay, for P1: "Der Spielende"

why would you not say "Der Spieler"?

that sounds so much more natural

[twilit garden]

you could say that

[hot cloak]

does anyone say "Spielende"?

i have never read anything like that

until I found out about it today

[twilit garden]

there are only very few cases but sometimes it helps to distinguish things

for example

der Student - the student
der Studierende - the one who is studying

[hot cloak]

ahhhhh okay

that does make sense

in english "The student", has no indication that the student is studying...

that makes a lot of sense

[twilit garden]

the last form has gotten more and more prominent because Studierende is both masculine and feminine which makes it handy to avoid sexism

[hot cloak]

avoid sexism
has a gendered language

pick 1

[twilit garden]

lel

i have often wondered how language affects psychology in that regard

[hot cloak]

this gem from arrem today:

[twilit garden]

beautiful

Tisch is male

Decke is female

Tischdecke

[hot cloak]

es ist noch "die Decke" von dem Tisch

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[twilit garden]

wait

it just struck me that we call a tablecloth table blanket in German

[hot cloak]

... okay?

[sudden panther]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cheezburger-explosion-head-Kc7DXpUjFWAzm

[hot cloak]

why is that special?

[sudden panther]

This gif is really lovely.

[twilit garden]

now i want to put tablecloths on every table to make them feel comfy and warm

[hot cloak]

table-cloth, table-blanket... sounds the same

i guess table-blanket makes it sound "thicker" and "warmer"

[jaunty lance]

Yo
Yo
I'm Edgar Allan Poe
Try to pull a fast one you goin in da hole

I see a fine lady walking down the street
And she be carrying a can of gasoline
So I takes the can and I douses her
I take out a lighter and I light her shirt
9 11 what's your emergency?
Its Edgar Allan Poe and he's burning me

Try to call the Popo
But I am the poe
Try to rat on me and you goin in the hole

One fish two fish
Bitch in a ditch
Dr Seuss got nothing on me
Dr Seuss more like Dr douche
I stole all of his poems and now he's a masseuse

Yo
Yo
I'm Edgar Allan Poe
My lovers say I'm fast and my teachers say I'm slow
But all I am is the ghetto

[hot cloak]

ganz Scheiße

[hot cloak]

What'd be a good German translation of "me in real life". Preferably with "in real life" only containing three words so it could be abreviated to "ich_..."

[placid heath]

you're trying to translate me irl?

[hot cloak]

Yeah, haha

Am echtes leben or smthn I'm guessing

[placid heath]

The guys at r/de use ich_iel for Ich im echten Leben

[hot cloak]

Ah, I was pretty close

I now realise it could never be "am"

Dutch me_irl is bigger than German me_irl... That makes me proud and disappointed at the same time

[placid heath]

lol

[hot cloak]

I want to post a comment to ich_iel but I don't want to mess up the grammar because it could confuse learners such as myself browsing the place

Could someone fact check it for me?

[placid heath]

Sure

[hot cloak]

Was müssen wir mit das Angelsächsischen blasen?!

Wait

Blasen isn't right

What's to sputter

Stammeln

Or smthn

🤔

Making sentences

Hard

Was müssen wir mit das Angelsächsischen gestämmel?!

idk

That's luxembourgish according to Google

[placid heath]

What do you want to say with it?

[hot cloak]

"What's with all this Anglo saxon gibberish"

[placid heath]

Was soll dieser ganze angelsächsische Unsinn?

[hot cloak]

I'd maybe like to incorporate "Was ist los" into that. Would that become Was ist los mit dieser ganze angelsächsische Unsinn?" and would that work?

[placid heath]

diesem ganzen angelsächsischen Unsinn

[hot cloak]

Okay nice. Would that sentence be stylistically viable then

Or would it still be an odd one out

[placid heath]

You want to use angelsächsisch to make it sound... weird, don't you?^^

[hot cloak]

I could use "English" but I want to carry over a bit of my own Dutch memery

I'm living with sleep deprivation so excuse me if I make little sense

😽

[placid heath]

angelsächsisch sounds like the typical r/de circlej..

So it probably is what you are looking for :D

[hot cloak]

Good good

Thanks a bundle for the help

[placid heath]

np

[hot cloak]

Constructing a sentence that way is really helpful to me

Right now I'm just generously handing out upvotes on ich_iel

You could say this is "ich_iel"

[placid heath]

Du bekommst einen Hochwähl! Und du bekommst einen Hochwähl! Ihr alle bekommt einen Hochwähl!

[hot cloak]

:D

Wähl is arrow, right?

Not like pfeil but the other kind of arrow

🤔

[placid heath]

Hoch = Up, Wähl = not a real word, but wählen = to vote

So Hochwähl is r/de-speak for upvote

[hot cloak]

Makes sense

[hot cloak]

Unfortunately ich_iel lacks political memes

So that's a bit of a con tbh

[hot cloak]

Where can I get my daily dose of German political memes

[radiant sage]

CDU

[placid heath]

On r/de or from the postillon

[hot cloak]

TIL y'all use "ohne Scheiss" as well

<3

Fucking loving it

[pine ginkgo]

ohne scheiß, laber mich nicht von der seite an, tim

[hot cloak]

Would that mean "Don't make me mad"

Without shit, don't push me, Tim

?

Is that an expression

Or don't talk shit about me when I'm not around?

[pine ginkgo]

hehehehe

no

[hot cloak]

Please explain, I don't understand this sentences

Aaargh

[pine ginkgo]

teheeeheehe

[hot cloak]

When I google "Jemand von der seite anlabern" I find all kinds of varying answers

[pine ginkgo]

hehetheheehe

[hot cloak]

Thou cruel being

😫

Please

Bitte

[pine ginkgo]

yes

okay

[hot cloak]

C'mon

I gotta take a trip to the grocery store

Please

[pine ginkgo]

okay

laber mich nicht an

-> don't talk to me

[hot cloak]

Yeah

But

ohne scheiß, laber mich nicht von der seite an, tim

What does that mean

And

How would that sentence have worked there

If I wasn't talking to you

in the first place

[twilit garden]

without shit, don't talk to me from the side

[hot cloak]

But that doesn't make sense, though

[twilit garden]

why wouldn't it?

[hot cloak]

Because I didn't provocate such a response

[cold vessel]

Because #general is such a meme:
Finally! The day we all have waited for has finally come! Arrem returns to Vienna, bringing with him flowers, programming skills and memes to show his true love. Long have we waited to see the fateful reunion between two memes, who should have never been apart in the first place.

[ocean robin]

oh yeah lmao

[cold vessel]

Endlich! Der Tag, den wir alle abgewarten haben, ist endlich gekommen!

[ocean robin]

Why abwarten and not only warten?

[cold vessel]

Because dict.cc 🤷

[thick charm]

abwarten/erwarten = await
warten = wait

There's a tiny difference

While abwarten can work in this case, I'd rather go with "auf den wir alle gewartet haben"

or "den wir alle erwartet haben"

[cold vessel]

Okay, thanks

I left the fun parts for you, @ocean robin 😉

[ocean robin]

[sudden panther]

So Flops, since hen was kind enough to do the easy sentences that you were supposed to BUT DIDN'T, you go ahead and continue. 😛

[ocean robin]

B-but I was going to do them, as soon as he posted that.

[full falcon]

Rule n°1 : dict.cc is always right

[cold vessel]

Sorry, I got impatient

[ocean robin]

Anyway hoyl wth are those sentences

[sudden panther]

You had like 54565443487462356 minutes.

[ocean robin]

lol

How can I translate that "bringing"?! ;u;

[cold vessel]

Like I said in #general, evil

Unless there's a way I haven't learned about yet 🤔

At least in Norwegian it would have to be rephrased

[thick charm]

The easiest way would be to rephrase it, yes.

[ocean robin]

oh my god

[thick charm]

You could go with a partizip here

"Blumen mitbringend"

But that's advanced stuff, so don't bother with it yet.

[sudden panther]

Advaced Flipperflopper. When?

[ocean robin]

I have no idea of how I could rephrase that.

[sudden panther]

You have complete freedom, just make it work.

[ocean robin]

"where he brings flowers with him"

🤔

[sudden panther]

Well the easiest way would be simply pretending it says brings instead of bringing. 😛

[ocean robin]

"He brings flowers with him" goddamit I am always too complicated

[whole rapids]

Ich würde gerne eine Übersetzung bieten.

Hurra! Da Dog, auf den mia olle gewartet hom, is endlich kema!

Erster Satz

[cold vessel]

Is that Austrian? 🤔

[whole rapids]

bayerisch

Ich mag "Da Dog".

[placid heath]

Bayrisch ._.

[crystal delta]

🙄

[ocean robin]

"Arrem kommt nach Wien zurück, bringt mit ihm Blaumen, programmiert Fähigkeiten und Memes ihre wahre Liebe. Lang haben wir das loyale Wiedersehen neben die zwei Memes zu sehen, wer zuerst nicht gewesen hatte soll." That was a pure nightmare omg.

[whole rapids]

Liabst du de boarische Sprach ned?

"boarische" is right

[placid heath]

Nee, sell kann mir gschtole bleibä

[ocean robin]

now see mistakes

[cold vessel]

Bayerisch, österreichisch, what's the difference 🤷

[whole rapids]

think I will need a translation book when I go south

[ocean robin]

omg I forgot words

[placid heath]

xD

[sudden panther]

wat sind blaumen und wie brimge ich die???

[ocean robin]

I can't anymore

[placid heath]

I'm a native and I didn't understand anything in the metro in Munich lol

[ocean robin]

wtf

🤔

[cold vessel]

Does "programmiert Fähigkeiten" mean "programmed skills"? 😛

[ocean robin]

yus

[placid heath]

Programmierfähigkeiten

[ocean robin]

wait no.

[sudden panther]

Yes.

Except it's not declined.

[ocean robin]

what.

[sudden panther]

ALSO DAMMIT KOREA STOP SPOILING

[ocean robin]

BUT IT'S NOT SPOIL

[placid heath]

soz, thought it was a question of henbruas :(

[sudden panther]

Yes it is, you're supposed to fix your mistakes yourself. 😛

No problemo. ❤

[whole rapids]

Arrem returns to Vienna, bringing with him flowers, programming skills and memes to show his true love. Long have we waited to see the fateful reunion between two memes, who should have never been apart in the first place.

"Arrem kommt nach Wien zurück, bringt mit ihm Blaumen, programmiert Fähigkeiten und Memes ihre wahre Liebe. Lang haben wir das loyale Wiedersehen neben die zwei Memes zu sehen, wer zuerst nicht gewesen hatte soll."

[ocean robin]

YOU PROGRAM SKILLS IT'S NOT PROGRAMMED SKILLS

[whole rapids]

to help compare

[ocean robin]

I forgot one part waitto

The "to show" part

[sudden panther]

You forgot a lot of parts.

[ocean robin]

oh my god

but it was long as fok and I am on phone

[whole rapids]

KEINE AUSREDEN

[ocean robin]

I think I have never translated on computer in fact

[sudden panther]

Then read and compare your sentence part by part and see what you missed.

[whole rapids]

really?

[full falcon]

[21:35] LordKorea: I'm a native and I didn't understand anything in the metro in Munich lol

[whole rapids]

Probably be 1000 times easier

[full falcon]

U6. Richtung Forschungszentrum. Bitte links aussteigen.

[ocean robin]

I forgot apart too omg

[full falcon]

XD

[crystal delta]

the metro gave you trouble Lord? XD

[sudden panther]

Also yes, being on a PC would most certainly help.

[crystal delta]

oh boy!

[ocean robin]

no shiet arrem

[whole rapids]

Arrem returns to Vienna, bringing with him flowers, programming skills and memes to show his true love.

"Arrem kommt nach Wien zurück, bringt mit ihm Blaumen, programmiert Fähigkeiten und Memes ihre wahre Liebe."

Fix first sentence.

[ocean robin]

hiw many mistakes are in there?

[cold vessel]

They speak dialect on the PA system?

[ocean robin]

One thousand?

[whole rapids]

I see 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

[full falcon]

I wouldn't dare calling people mistakes

[ocean robin]

First THERE'S 2 WORDS MISSING

oh lord

[whole rapids]

I think I see a sixth but it might work how you wrote it anyway, not sure

[ocean robin]

I am so fokken sure there is declension

[placid heath]

The metro in 2011. With announcements by the driver

[ocean robin]

don't tell me why I am sure of it

[full falcon]

hey flaps, guess who has the last french mosquito in his bedroom

...

[ocean robin]

wat

🤔

[full falcon]

I thought there wouldn't be any more... guess I'm wrong

[ocean robin]

kms 6 mistakes

[sudden panther]

First, read the sentence again and fill in the missing words. Then we can talk about the wrong ones.

[ocean robin]

[crystal delta]

hehe @placid heath noch weiter südlich von München wirds erst so richtig spannend 🎉

[placid heath]

Ich bin rechtzeitig wieder ins Ländle geflohen

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ocean robin]

"Arrem kommt nach Wien zurück, bringt mit ihm Blaumen, programmiert Fähigkeiten und Memes ihre wahre Liebe zu vorzeigen."

[sudden panther]

Did you not know how to say 'show'? 🤔

[ocean robin]

Nope.

Yesh Arrem I am still not B. 😦

[sudden panther]

Well, now you do. It's just zeigen. You vorzeigen your ticket to the ticket inspection lad. 😉

[full falcon]

don't B sad

[ocean robin]

jesus christ dict.cc

it lies to me

[sudden panther]

So. Let's rip that sentence apart and make you feel bad help you learn.

[cold vessel]

On the website it lists zeigen as the 27th word 🤔

[ocean robin]

LOL

[sudden panther]

First, I'll repeat my question, what are Blaumen?

[ocean robin]

Isn't the plural of Blaume? Wait what.

[crystal delta]

[sudden panther]

And what's a Blaume? 😄

[ocean robin]

Okay I just saw my mistake.

Blume -> Blumen. How the hell could I be wrong on that the fok.

[crystal delta]

aha!

[sudden panther]

wie eine Blaume am Winterbeginn 🎶

But yes, correcto!

[whole rapids]

easy mistake to make

[sudden panther]

Fix that and the vorzeigen.

[whole rapids]

Mach dir keine Sorgen

[sudden panther]

^wir simd alle doof

[ocean robin]

But that's one of the main words I used in my story

So then:

"Arrem kommt nach Wien zurück, bringt mit ihm Blumen, programmiert Fähigkeiten und Memes ihre wahre Liebe zu zeigen."

Next.

[sudden panther]

Nice. So, programmierte Fähigkeiten are indeed programmed skills. And I'm pretty sure I don't have those. Korea was kind enough to give you the answer, so you may as well use it. 😛

[ocean robin]

B-but I thought you were saying that you programmed some skills, not programmed skills.

Seems I misunderstood it 😦

[cold vessel]

@sudden panther Doesn't look like anything to me

[ocean robin]

"Arrem kommt nach Wien zurück, bringt mit ihm Blumen, programmierte Fähigkeiten und Memes ihre wahre Liebe zu zeigen."

3/6 go.

[sudden panther]

No. Flops. Read the sentence.

Arrem returns to Vienna, bringing with him flowers, programming skills and memes to show his true love.

I'm bringing my programming skills.

Skills in the art of programming, if you will.

[ocean robin]

Ah.

Oh yeah.

omg solet came back

[pine ginkgo]

no

[ocean robin]

Look how I am struggling so much

[pine ginkgo]

i dont have to look to know that

[ocean robin]

lol

[pine ginkgo]

tehehe

[ocean robin]

wtf was that sentence too

[sudden panther]

A great sentence. Now back to work.

[pine ginkgo]

werk werk

[ocean robin]

Oh wow okay.

Next mistake naw.

[sudden panther]

Fix the programming skills one properly first. 🤔

"Korea was kind enough to give you the answer, so you may as well use it."

[ocean robin]

but aaah I need to scroll up again.

[wintry thistle]

this place is always fun

[pine ginkgo]

or you fix it with your own skills

[ocean robin]

🤔

[cold vessel]

Her programmed skills?

[wintry thistle]

however,I always feel like no matter how much I learn I am dwarfed by native speakers.

[ocean robin]

"Arrem kommt nach Wien zurück, bringt mit ihm Blumen, Programmierfähigkeiten und Memes ihre wahre Liebe zu zeigen."

[sudden panther]

Okay.

So, who's showing their true love in that sentence?

[pine ginkgo]

i always knew vienna loved you too

[ocean robin]

Arrem? Wiat hoyl.

facepalms

[sudden panther]

Yes Arrem. And since I don't remember being a girl, you might want to consider using the correct pronoun. 😏

[ocean robin]

Those mistakes are so dumb you can't help it.

Maybe you're one

"Arrem kommt nach Wien zurück, bringt mit ihm Blumen, Programmierfähigkeiten und Memes seine wahre Liebe zu zeigen."

[sudden panther]

Lovely. Now, what construction do we use for "in order to"?

[wintry thistle]

[ocean robin]

Um...zu?

[sudden panther]

Yes. Now look at your sentence.

[ocean robin]

where the fuck do I put that um though

[sudden panther]

You tell me.

[ocean robin]

Before bringt or Programmierfähigkeiten?

fokken arrem

[sudden panther]

Neither.

[ocean robin]

Wait wtf.

[pine ginkgo]

i noticed, the case is ambiguous in the last part

[sudden panther]

Arrem is coming back to Vienna, in order bringing flowers, programming skills and memes to show his true love.
Arrem is coming back to Vienna, bringing flowers, in order programming skills and memes to show his true love.

Do those make sense?

[ocean robin]

THAT'S MY ACTUAL QUESTION

WHERE.

[sudden panther]

Arrem is coming back to Vienna, bringing flowers, programming skills and memes in order to show his true love.
Sounds much better, doesn't it? 😛

[ocean robin]

Wherever? Okay.

Yus.

[cold vessel]

You left "in order" in the middle 😛

[sudden panther]

Oh whoop.s

[ocean robin]

"Arrem kommt nach Wien zurück, bringt mit ihm Blumen, um Programmierfähigkeiten und Memes seine wahre Liebe zu zeigen." 4/6 go.

[pine ginkgo]

lol

[sudden panther]

Arrem kommt nach Wien zurück, bringt mit ihm Blumen, Programmierfähigkeiten und Memes.
Flops. That's your main clause. The subordinate clause should tell you why Arrem does that. In no way should it change the main clause. Hence, the um can't be in the main clause.

[pine ginkgo]

loool

hahahahuahahahahuwihdddc

xjsjxjdjdx

[ocean robin]

wait wtf

I am confused as hell right now

This is the main clause? What.

[sudden panther]

Atm your sentence tries to say that I'm bringing flowers in order to show my love to programming skills and memes.

[ocean robin]

Ah.

[sudden panther]

What I'm doing is bringing flowers, programming skills and memes in order to show my love.

[ocean robin]

Okay so then,

"Arrem kommt nach Wien zurück, bringt mit ihm Blumen, Programmierfähigkeiten und Memes, um seine wahre Liebe zu zeigen." I think.

🤔

[sudden panther]

As they say. Third time's the charm. 😏

[ocean robin]

lul

[sudden panther]

Alright, you should be able to find the rest of the mistakes on your own. :^)

[pine ginkgo]

i hope

[ocean robin]

jesus christ

They are 2 left, correct?

[sudden panther]

Idunno. You tell me.

[ocean robin]

jesus

[twilit garden]

You are brutal, Arrem

[ocean robin]

I have 2 brutal teachers yet amazing Nemo. It's okay.

Okay so I really need concentration because here wtf I don't see.

[sudden panther]

You have two brutal teachers and an amazing Nemo? 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

i was thinking the same arrem

🤔

[ocean robin]

I should have put a comma.

[sudden panther]

Nou, you should have changed your word order. Brutal yet amazing. 😉

[twilit garden]

i didn't want to say anything because i liked the sentence as it is

[ocean robin]

Nemo, it still stands for you, you're amazing as well.

And nuh, the word order is okay?

🤔

Just comma.

[sudden panther]

I have 2 brutal yet amazing teachers, Nemo.

[ocean robin]

Yeah? Goddamn that'll be Flapps' English practice as well.

[sudden panther]

Sure. Now you just go on and concentrate, and tell us what mistakes you find. 😛

[ocean robin]

[sudden panther]

Meanwhile, I'll go grab some food. The sentence better be 100% correct before I'm back or 🐶🔫.

[ocean robin]

I want to say cases bacause Flaps always fails on cases.

[twilit garden]

but not in this case

[ocean robin]

hoyl

i hope

what the actual hell are those mistakes

[ocean robin]

I think I might have given up. Those seem like stupid mistakes moreover.

[cold vessel]

The placement of "mit" perhaps?

[ocean robin]

Wot.

[cold vessel]

I would also have thought there was a case mistake in the last part, but I guess not?

[ocean robin]

I dunno wher ar the natives.

[cold vessel]

Like "seiner wahren Liebe"