general-2

[thick charm]

Stellen is an akussativ-verb

[shy bobcat]

@ocean robin so Tellern is only dative, and we used an accusative article die so it’s “die Teller”

and “in das Regal” because we’re setting it “into” the shelf

[hot cloak]

Teller is just like any noun with the -er ending

[shy bobcat]

😉

[ocean robin]

oooooh

[hot cloak]

You don't have to know the word Teller, in order to shape the plural

[shy bobcat]

der Teller, den Teller, dem Teller, des Tellers
die Teller, die Teller, den Tellern, der Teller

[nocturne spruce]

-er nouns don't change in the plural

[shy bobcat]

ja

[ocean robin]

"Don't verbs don't"

[shy bobcat]

lel

it should just be “don’t”

😛

der -er, die -er

[hot cloak]

der Spieler, die Spieler

[shy bobcat]

includes English loanwords like Computer as well

[ocean robin]

ooooh

[hot cloak]

oh true?

Very much

really?

[nocturne spruce]

Autocorrect is annoying

[hot cloak]

very much = sehr viel

[shy bobcat]

@hot cloak yes

Die Computer sind alt, und wir brauchen Neue = the computers are old, and we need new ones

[hot cloak]

Neue is capitalized, why is that @ocean robin?

[shy bobcat]

did you mean to ping me?

or are you seeing if flappy knows why

@hot cloak

[hot cloak]

so Der Hamburger is Die Hamburger and Der Farmer is Die Farmer?

I was meaning to ask Flappy

[shy bobcat]

ok 😄

[hot cloak]

Let

[ocean robin]

Because it is remplacing the computeurs?

[shy bobcat]

@hot cloak afaik

[ocean robin]

*computers

[shy bobcat]

replacing* too

😛

[ocean robin]

We need new ones.

YES PHONE

[shy bobcat]

but, it’s not just that it replaces Computer

it’s more general

[ocean robin]

🤔

[shy bobcat]

adjectives being used in a nominal way like that, are capitalised

[nocturne spruce]

Look at the type of sentence

[shy bobcat]

because they’re being used like nouns

[hot cloak]

yay

[shy bobcat]

“Dieses Bier ist ein Gutes” = this beer is a good one

[nocturne spruce]

What are the essential parts of such sentences

[hot cloak]

die Bier, oder? @shy bobcat

[shy bobcat]

nein

das Bier

pretty much any time you say “an X one” in English, you capitalise the adjective

[hot cloak]

Are there other rules like this to form the plural?

[ocean robin]

Das

[nocturne spruce]

Das Bier

[hot cloak]

Ach so 😄

[nocturne spruce]

It's an exception

Other Alcohols are with der

[hot cloak]

It's feminine in Greek hehe

[nocturne spruce]

In Arabic as well

[placid heath]

"das Kirschwasser"

:P

[shy bobcat]

yeah

[placid heath]

Aber das liegt am "Wasser"

[shy bobcat]

but that’s just bc it’s Wasser

yeah

@ocean robin so “I’ll take the cheap one” = “Ich nehme das Billige” (the gender refers back to the noun spoken of, in this case I was still talking bout das Bier 😛 )

[hot cloak]

Ooooh

interesting

[shy bobcat]

if I wanted to say “I’ll take the cheap one” whilst referring to something der I’d say “ich nehme den Billigen”

[hot cloak]

for example if u buy a dog you say ich nehme der Billige?

[shy bobcat]

no

den Billigen

[thick charm]

den

[shy bobcat]

accusative

[hot cloak]

aaah ok

[thick charm]

^

[hot cloak]

i forgot that for 1 sec

[shy bobcat]

*ich nehme der Hund = wrong
ich nehme den Hund = right

😄

[hot cloak]

der Hund nehme ich 😄

der hund nehme mich

den Hund nehme ich

if you want the dog to catch you i think

Nimm mich I think

ich nehme, du nimmst, er nimmt

ah yeah

[shy bobcat]

yeah

although with konjunktiv I this could get a bit funny 😏

“Er hat mir gesagt, sein Hund erwische mich, wenn ich wieder in seinen Garten komme” = “He told me his dog would get me if I came into his garden again”

😏

[sudden panther]

👌

[shy bobcat]

konjunktiv 1 😍

[nocturne spruce]

Why do you like Konjunktiv 1

[sudden panther]

Konjunktiv 2 killed his family.

[hot cloak]

why not?

[nocturne spruce]

It's like nominative with extra steps

[hot cloak]

erwische and wieder are new words

[sudden panther]

More like less steps.

Konjunktiv 1 doesn't care about this irregular verb business.

[hot cloak]

i need to take notes of them

[shy bobcat]

@nocturne spruce because it sounds cool 💙

[nocturne spruce]

Well Nominative is the base, any changes are extra steps

[shy bobcat]

also it confuses newbs

😄

[cold vessel]

Can confirm

[nocturne spruce]

It's the ultimate tool to show off with, since people don't learn anything about it until way down the line

[cold vessel]

2 moods ought to be enough for everyone

[shy bobcat]

Henbruas sagt, zwei Modi solle erreichen 😏

god how I love using that

[hot cloak]

Ich habs noch nicht gelernt 😦

[shy bobcat]

not surprising

[nocturne spruce]

It's used to indirectly quote people

[hot cloak]

Ich wuerde sagen: Henbruas sagt, dass zwei Modi erreichen sollen

[shy bobcat]

I don’t think germans generally use much konj 1 in speech

😛

[nocturne spruce]

It's very formal

[shy bobcat]

it’s basically never used, outside of books and like news and things

[hot cloak]

I like formal

[nocturne spruce]

Limited mostly to news papers and such

[shy bobcat]

^

@nocturne spruce what are some other good ways to confuse the newbs

😏

[nocturne spruce]

Using passive with perfect

[shy bobcat]

like?

what’s a passive perfet

I suck at grammar terms

😂

[hot cloak]

anyway in italian we use a word for both noch and wieder

[sudden panther]

it’s basically never used, outside of books and like news and things
and everything Arizona ever writes. 😄

[hot cloak]

I've never learnt my own language's grammar @shy bobcat

"ancora" means both together

[shy bobcat]

lol @hot cloak

true

[hot cloak]

krankmeister where are u from?

Guh-reece

[shy bobcat]

@nocturne spruce just like “Das wäre gemacht worden”?

[nocturne spruce]

I think it's used with ist

Even with plurals

[shy bobcat]

so “das ist gemacht worden”?

yeah

“das wäre gemacht worden” = that would have been done
“das ist gemacht worden” = that has been done

I think

[nocturne spruce]

Let me check

I never gave it attention while studying

[shy bobcat]

sounds right to me but I make a lot of weird grammar mistakes sometimes

[nocturne spruce]

Yeah it's correct

[shy bobcat]

thought so

[nocturne spruce]

Ist and then Worden at the end

Future with passive is also fun

[shy bobcat]

Die Lehrerin sagt, dass die Hausaufgaben heute benotet worden seien, aber sie sind noch nicht 😏

konj i + passive perfect

😩

[hot cloak]

i don't understand that benotet worden seien it confuses me >__<

[nocturne spruce]

Had been marked

[shy bobcat]

isn’t there some weird grammar rule where haben’s and sein’s go before the rest of the verbs at the end of a sentence sometimes 🤔

ahah

In a dependent clause, these double-infinitives remain in the final position, and the conjugated auxiliary verb, haben or sein, slips into the second-the-last place

Bist du sicher, dass sie das Buch hat lesen können?

“are you sure, that she could read the book?”

[nocturne spruce]

What is the hat for

[shy bobcat]

Double-infinitives in the perfect tenses:
In the case of main (independent) clauses, when modal auxiliaries and verbs like sehen, hören, helfen, and lassen the perfect tenses, they form double-infinitives, which go to the final position of the clause:

Ich habe nichts sehen können. I couldn't see anything.

I’m pulling this from this (excellent) word order explanation http://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/WordOrder/WordOrder.html

[nocturne spruce]

Ah

Are you sure that she could have read the book

Is the English equivalent right?

[shy bobcat]

well that sie means “she” but essentially yes

ok you fixed it

[nocturne spruce]

Yeah just noticed

[hot cloak]

someone gives me a sentence xD i need to practiceee

[nocturne spruce]

Btw for the first sentence you wrote, what was the English equivalent

[shy bobcat]

which one

[nocturne spruce]

Because it seems like you said

[shy bobcat]

ok let’s use as many confuse the newbs tactics as possible on enrico

[nocturne spruce]

Had been mark, but are not

[shy bobcat]

ah

Die Lehrerin sagt, dass die Hausaufgaben heute benotet worden seien, aber sie sind noch nicht

this one

“the teacher says that the homework has been graded, but it still isn’t” essentially

[nocturne spruce]

Oh ok

[shy bobcat]

plural hausaufgaben = singular homework

thx german 😒

[nocturne spruce]

I thought that she promised and didn't deliver

Rather than lie

[shy bobcat]

nah

[hot cloak]

i don't understand how is possible for a human being to say a german sentence without think for an half hour about all those grammatic rules and word order rules

[nocturne spruce]

It comes with time

[shy bobcat]

@hot cloak well konj i is pretty bookish/newspaperish grammar first off

and second off, it comes with practice 😄

[hot cloak]

i mean if you write in a chat you have all the time you want to think

but if you speak to someone

you are fked

[shy bobcat]

you get used to it

slowly

[nocturne spruce]

I still stutter a lot because I don't actively use German

[shy bobcat]

but surely

[nocturne spruce]

But the more you use it, the less you stutter

[shy bobcat]

I don’t stutter much, just talk a bit slow tbh

though it depends

sometimes I talk fast

sometimes I have to think

[nocturne spruce]

I'm a bit shy so that also doesn't help

Mein Deutsch wird verbessert werden

Passive Future 😁

[shy bobcat]

^

[nocturne spruce]

Any other tricks to confuse Newbs?

[shy bobcat]

Use würden on its own, as “would become” and wait for them to say ”where’s the other verb” 😄

[nocturne spruce]

Plusquamperfekt is a good one

[shy bobcat]

^

that too

lots of good ways to confuse ’em

[nocturne spruce]

But that one confuses me as well

[shy bobcat]

most of which involve werden

werden is just confusing 😂

[nocturne spruce]

True

Werden is something else

[shy bobcat]

Ja, nur „würde“ ginge auch als Konjunktiv II von werden, aber ist nicht so gebräuchlich.
I even asked a native about würde on its own, since I thought maybe it had just grammaticalised as only “would”, but he confirmed that one can theoretically use würden on its own

😄

[placid heath]

Verwirrende Worte vielleicht? Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz

[shy bobcat]

^

werden and its conjugations mean “become, would, is, will”, among other things, naturally it is a confusing mess

[placid heath]

Abgekürzt heißt das ReÜAÜG

[nocturne spruce]

We asked for things that confuse Newbs, not things that confuse us 😅

[shy bobcat]

long compounds aren’t too confusing

😛

[nocturne spruce]

In context they aren't

But alone

Is a different story

[shy bobcat]

@placid heath gib mehr superlange Komposita 😩

bitte

😄

[placid heath]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/De-Rinderkennzeichnungs-_und_Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz.ogg
Hör es dir erst einmal an, wie die Sprecherin Luft holen muss! :D

[shy bobcat]

😂

[nocturne spruce]

Nice

[placid heath]

Ein Klassiker ist natürlich
Donau­dampfschiffahrts­elektrizitäten­hauptbetriebswerk­bauunterbeamten­gesellschaft

[shy bobcat]

Lel

warte

[placid heath]

der Bindestrich wird mir von Discord reingepackt

Im Original steht das ohne - da

[shy bobcat]

Schiffahrt
Ist doch “Schifffahrt” 😄 mehr Buchstaben

[bitter rune]

jawoll

3fach F

[placid heath]

Stimmt! Da ist ein Fehler in der Wikipedia

[shy bobcat]

oder alte Schreibung

🤔

[placid heath]

Wer mag die Deutsche Wikipedia korrigieren? ;)

[twilit garden]

Nein, das ist nur alte Rechtschreibung 😉

[shy bobcat]

😉

[placid heath]

Der Link hat 3 f

[shy bobcat]

@twilit garden Was ich gesagt habe 😉

[placid heath]

Das Link-Label nicht :D

[hot cloak]

wie muß und daß

[shy bobcat]

Hallo nemo 👋

ja @hot cloak

[placid heath]

Grundstücks­verkehrs­genehmigungs­zuständigkeits­übertragungs­verordnung

[twilit garden]

bei mir hat der Link nur 2 fs

[placid heath]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donaudampfschifffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft
ist eine Weiterleitung

[shy bobcat]

Bei mir 3 F

[placid heath]

Auf der Seite vom Rindfleischettikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz ist der Link auf die Weiterleitung gesetzt

[hot cloak]

Wenn man dieses Wort nicht korrekt schrieb, wuerde es irgendwer aufmerken?

[twilit garden]

auf https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän

Betrachtet man das Wort als Gattungsbegriff, gilt seit der Rechtschreibreform 1996 – und damit erst nach Auflösung des ursprünglichen Unternehmens – die Schreibweise mit drei f, also Donau­dampfschifffahrts­gesell­schafts­kapitän.

[placid heath]

Ich bin Baujahr '97, also schreib ich es mal lieber mit 3 f :D

[shy bobcat]

Baujahr

😂

[twilit garden]

Hach, ein Jüngling

Ich komme aus dem Jahr, in dem meine Freundin weg ist und sich in der Südsee bräunt

[placid heath]

Zitat aus dem Plenarprotokoll zum Rindfleischü...gesetz:

63 Buchstaben. Das stimmt nicht, es sind 83 Buchstaben.
(Heiterkeit bei einzelnen Abgeordneten der SPD)```

[twilit garden]

Heiterkeit bei einzelnen Abgeordneten der SPD

Erzählerstimme "Noch wussten sie nicht, dass es das letzte mal seien sollte, dass sich SPD-Abgeordnete so fühlen sollten..."

[placid heath]

Die brauchen jetzt erst einmal einen Schulzzugunglücksabwendungsplan

[pallid kelp]

@sturdy shadow schau dir dies mal an https://www.facebook.com/AutoAddicted/videos/1320379264719293/

[ocean robin]

Gimme sentence again plox.

[ivory jolt]

flipflop's task: "Too many cooks spoil the broth" 🤔

[minor heart]

i remember this!!!

it was on duo

[ocean robin]

"Zu viele Köche verderben die Bruhe"

[thick charm]

so close

[minor heart]

I throught it was Brei

[thick charm]

I feel like we should let that slide

[pine ginkgo]

yeah i mean

[thick charm]

but it's a saying, so there's only one real way to translate it

[ivory jolt]

that makes sense but Germans dont say that

[pine ginkgo]

it's a set phrase

[ocean robin]

WHY CAN'T I HAVE A SENTENCE RIGHT AT tHE FIRST ATTEMPT

[pine ginkgo]

it'S not your fault

[thick charm]

It was right

pretty much

[pine ginkgo]

yep

[ocean robin]

OH WAW

[minor heart]

welcome to the club Fläpp

[pine ginkgo]

it was the correct translation

[ivory jolt]

but ppl would notice you are a spy

[thick charm]

But the saying goes "Zu viele Köche verderben die Suppe"

[pine ginkgo]

but not the correct way

[ocean robin]

[pine ginkgo]

or den Brei

[thick charm]

It's super close and technically means the same thing

Well done Flapps!

[pine ginkgo]

okay

[ivory jolt]

i'd say a pass

[ocean robin]

wooo

[pine ginkgo]

some one give flaps a non idiomatic sentence

[ocean robin]

LOL

[ivory jolt]

but you are detected by a spy detector

and killed

[ocean robin]

👀

[thick charm]

"Well, well, well. Welcome to MY LAIR! Lemme just flag something up: According to the control panel light up there, the entire building's going to self destruct in about six minutes. I'm pretty sure it's a problem with the light. I think the light's on the blink. But just in case it isn't, I'm actually going to have to kill you, as discussed earlier."

[ocean robin]

Oh god. Let's go.

[minor heart]

Ohhhh

[pine ginkgo]

well, that's at least not idiomatic

[minor heart]

pssst

@ocean robin

[sudden panther]

Beautiful. 😍

[ocean robin]

yes.

[minor heart]

Just watch the scene in german

pssst

[thick charm]

(he knows)

[ocean robin]

LOL

[sudden panther]

I AM NOT A MORON

[thick charm]

"Also, I took the liberty of watching the tapes of you killing her, and I'm not going to make the same mistakes. Four part plan is this:"
"One: No portal surfaces."
"Two: Start the neurotoxin immediately."
"Three: Bomb-proof shields for me. Leading directly into number Four: Bombs. For throwing at you."
"You know what, this plan is so good, I'm going to give you a sporting chance and turn off the neurotoxin. I'm joking. Of course. Goodbye." ```

[ocean robin]

👀

[minor heart]

I'm spaaking in an accent that she cant understand

[ivory jolt]

@@ thats defenitely more than one sentence

[minor heart]

So many memorys

[ocean robin]

Let me do the first.

[grand seal]

Alright let's see how I did.

"James, while John had had "had", had had "had had"; "had had" had had a better effect on the teacher."

[ocean robin]

OMG

[grand seal]

"James, während John hatte "had" gehabt, hatte "had had" gehabt. "had had" hatte einen besseren Eindruck auf dem Lehrer gemacht."

[ocean robin]

omg wtf

[pine ginkgo]

ALLES TURISTEN UND NONTEKNISCHEN LOOKENPEEPERS!
DAS KOMPUTERMASCHINE IST NICHT FÜR DER GEFINGERPOKEN UND MITTENGRABEN! ODERWISE IST EASY TO SCHNAPPEN DER SPRINGENWERK, BLOWENFUSEN UND POPPENCORKEN MIT SPITZENSPARKEN.
IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
ZO RELAXEN UND WATSCHEN DER BLINKENLICHTEN.```

[sudden panther]

When you're done you can do
Hey, buddy! I'm speaking in an accent that is beyond her range of hearing... I know I'm early, but we have to go right NOW! Walk casually toward my position and we'll go shut her down.

[ocean robin]

👀

[thick charm]

aw man

[ocean robin]

LMAO ARREM

[ivory jolt]

IST EASY TO SCHNAPPEN DER SPRINGENWERK

wtf

[ocean robin]

[grand seal]

Fokn Lookenpeepers lmfao

[thick charm]

    "There we go. I wanted to talk to you for a moment, if I may."
    "I'll be honest: The death traps have been a bit of a failure so far. For both of us. I think you'll agree. And you are getting very close to my lair."
    "'Lair' - heh, weird isn't it? First time I've said it out loud. Sounds a bit ridiculous, really. But I can assure you it is one. It is a proper lair. Deadly lair."
    "And I just wanted to give you the chance to kill yourself now. Before you get to the lair. You can just jump into the masher, just there. Less a death trap, more a death option for you."
    "Sounds crazy, I know. But hear me out. Once you get to my lair, death will not be optional. It will be mandatory. No tricks, no surprises: just you dying, as a result of me killing you in a very very gruesome way."
    "So. Boom. Better offer here is just kill yourself. Seems like a lot of effort to walk all the way to my deadly lair, when there's a perfectly serviceable death option right there. Again: not a death trap. Your death would be entirely voluntary. And very much appreciated." ```

👌 man

that game

[grand seal]

Is that from Portal?

It sounds like it's from Portal.

[thick charm]

yup

[sudden panther]

Portal 2.

[minor heart]

Just beutifal(wow that spelling)

[thick charm]

portal 2

[sudden panther]

3 fast 5 chok

[thick charm]

nuuuuh

[ocean robin]

How can I say lair?

[grand seal]

Can someone correct my sentence though?

[thick charm]

Lair would be "das Versteck" in this case

[grand seal]

Bitte. 😃

[ocean robin]

And the article?

[thick charm]

❤

[ocean robin]

Oki thanks.

[sudden panther]

Lazy Flops not looking it up.

[ocean robin]

I did.

[sudden panther]

lookup lair en de

[viral thunder]

Showing translations for lair:

- Lager
- Versteck
- Schlupfwinkel
- Höhle
- Bau
- Junggesellenschlafstätte
- Räuberhöhle
- Drachenhöhle
- Terroristen-Versteck
- Wolfsschanze
- Die Brut
- Der Biss der Schlangenfrau
- Kankras Lauer```

[ivory jolt]

thats... alot to translate, i thot we doin 1 sentence

[thick charm]

Junggesellenschlafstätte

[sudden panther]

Go for Junggesellenschlafstätte.

[ocean robin]

But there was Lager and it was wierd.

[pine ginkgo]

i gonna correct it, jawzie

[ocean robin]

LOL

[pine ginkgo]

it's wrong

end

[sudden panther]

Or Drachenhöhle.

[ocean robin]

LMAO

I LOVE SOLET'S METHOD SO MUCH

[grand seal]

😦

[sudden panther]

Der Biss der Schlangenfrau
wot

[pine ginkgo]

what about playing Königsaufgabe

[ivory jolt]

something of a snakewoman

[thick charm]

^ Buch von Ken Russell

[pine ginkgo]

or Königskopfgeld

[thick charm]

Lair of the white worm oder so

[grand seal]

I know it's wrong. That's why I'm asking for help. :L

[ivory jolt]

Jawzie: Hint: Plusquamperfekt

[thick charm]

He's A, that's probably the first time he's ever read that word.

[pine ginkgo]

The children went on a walk with their pets, when the sky was bright and it didn't rain.

go flaps

[grand seal]

I know what Plusquamperfekt is

[thick charm]

oh nvm then

[grand seal]

What I need to know is how I'm doing it wrong, and how I should be doing it.

[ocean robin]

Wtf so many sentences

[grand seal]

Because that looks like it's in plusquamperfekt to me.

[ocean robin]

Solet's seems easier

[ivory jolt]

do Luna's

[pine ginkgo]

lol nico

[grand seal]

gr moron

[viral thunder]

❌ Bad argument: Role "moron" not found.

[grand seal]

Damn

[ocean robin]

"Die Kindern sind zu fuß mit ihre Tiere gegangen, als der Himmel helle war, und es hat nicht geregnet."

[pine ginkgo]

okay

[ocean robin]

LMAO WTF

[pine ginkgo]

flappsy

now

tell me

with reasning

what you think is correct in your sentence

[ocean robin]

holy shit I am scared

uuuuuh

[pine ginkgo]

FUCKJ

YOU

NICO

[ocean robin]

WTF

[pine ginkgo]

i hope you didn't see that

[ocean robin]

All that I knew was zu Fuß is wrong

And since that I didn't knew what "on a walk" was, tried to be as accurate as possible

What did I use.

[pine ginkgo]

okay, we talk about that later

how much do you think you got correct?

[grand seal]

Ah. nevermind.

Just ignore me.

[pine ginkgo]

and tell me why you think it is correct?

[ocean robin]

Haustiere?

[ivory jolt]

thats not important

[ocean robin]

Ah.

Mmmh

The last part I think it's oki dokie

I did subordinating and stuff

[pine ginkgo]

did you?

[ocean robin]

mmmh at "als" yeah?

And maybe I forgot all the cases.

It's still not automatic. lul

[pine ginkgo]

:)

why do you think the last part is correct

other than that

[ocean robin]

[pine ginkgo]

since you seem sure about it

[ocean robin]

Because it seems grammatically correct

[pine ginkgo]

alright

[ocean robin]

and i hope typos are not there

plox

[pine ginkgo]

okay

do you think

you have any typos

[ocean robin]

holy shit.

Maybe at geregnet. Let me search again.

[pine ginkgo]

take your time

[ocean robin]

No, that was good.

mmmh

No, I can't see typos

[pine ginkgo]

alright

then tell me

do you think als der Himmel helle war is correct

[ocean robin]

Does that mean it's wrong?

[pine ginkgo]

well

[ivory jolt]

just answer him tho

[ocean robin]

Well, maybe I forgot the case tho

I could be den Himmel

*it dang.

[ivory jolt]

der is good

[ocean robin]

Ah.

[pine ginkgo]

oh, flaps

do me a favour

translate this small sentence really fast

[ocean robin]

It's the helle then? Did I do the declinaison correct?

[pine ginkgo]

"The woman is good"

[ocean robin]

um okay

"Die Frau ist gute"

Why gut.

[pine ginkgo]

mhh.

[ocean robin]

Whai.

[pine ginkgo]

i see

now i wonder if you learned about it

[ocean robin]

Learnt about wat?

[pine ginkgo]

how to use sein + adjectives

[ocean robin]

Declinaisions?

wat

Never heard of a rule for that though.

[pine ginkgo]

you don't decline the adjective

if you use sein

if the adjective doesn't belong to the noun

so the translation would be

"Die Frau ist gut"

[ocean robin]

[pine ginkgo]

to see it better

"Die gute Frau ist gut"

see the difference?

[ocean robin]

And Nico, I already know that kappa

Yep Solet.

[pine ginkgo]

now go back and tell me if the part with himmel is correct

:)

[ocean robin]

No it isn't.

"Als der himmel hell war"

[pine ginkgo]

good

[ivory jolt]

H

[pine ginkgo]

well, those are good to find out, what things you don't know yet :D

"Die Kindern sind zu fuß mit ihre Tiere gegangen, als der Himmel helle war, und es hat nicht geregnet."

what is important for you, flapps

is learning how to use the dictionary

or generally find out what verbs together

The children went on a walk with their pets, when the sky was bright and it didn't rain.

this was the original sentence

[ocean robin]

yes

[pine ginkgo]

do you know what "zu fuß gehen" means?

[ocean robin]

i don't know the proper expression in English

Maybe to go on foot?

[pine ginkgo]

yeah

or to walk

so how did you try to translate it this way?

[ocean robin]

How? well uuuh how can I explain

I saw "on a walk" and had no idea

So I searched on dict.cc and I didn't have a proper answer

[pine ginkgo]

yeah

what if i tell you

the verb is

wait

fuck

[ocean robin]

[pine ginkgo]

i noticed i made a mistake

:(

[ocean robin]

owo

[pine ginkgo]

okay

[ocean robin]

where

[pine ginkgo]

eh

read "went for a walk"

instead of "went on a walk"

x.x

i thought i wrote for D:

[ocean robin]

AH.

mmh I found spazieren gehen

[ivory jolt]

😮

[pine ginkgo]

i failed you flaps

D:

[grand seal]

😩

[ocean robin]

It's okay hehe

[ivory jolt]

whether its on or for i would still translate the same

doesnt really matter

[pine ginkgo]

yeah

but if you don't know the expression

[proven eagle]

i wanna uh start learning dis but where do i start at?

[ocean robin]

Come with us.

No buts.

[pine ginkgo]

it can be more difficult if i write it incorrectly x.x

okay, flaps, we got this

[proven eagle]

where

[pine ginkgo]

no we have two mistakes left

[ocean robin]

holy shit

[pine ginkgo]

Die Kindern

[ocean robin]

4 mistakes in total

OH YEAH

THAT

I knew I was wrong, feeling

[pine ginkgo]

do you know the correction?

[grand seal]

@proven eagle Check out the pinned message in #resources

[ocean robin]

but now flaps say the correct thing tho

[grand seal]

That's a good place to start

[ocean robin]

oh my god.

Die Kinder

WHY DO I HAVE TO USE THE DATIVE PLURAL HERE

WHAI

[ivory jolt]

what the hell you just talked in 3rd person mode flipflop? XD

[pine ginkgo]

okay

[ocean robin]

yes I do that

[pine ginkgo]

flaps

mit ihre Tiere

[ocean robin]

Die Tiere?

and with who? The animals

mmmh

[ivory jolt]

"ihr-" is fine

[ocean robin]

Accusative here.

AH LOL

[pine ginkgo]

really

you sure

[grand seal]

Which kind of preposition is mit?

[ocean robin]

I am not that sure though

[grand seal]

^^

[ocean robin]

Wait.

Whose animals is it?

To the children?

[pine ginkgo]

wut?

[ocean robin]

Or am I just saying genetive bcause I like to make things more complicated?

[grand seal]

^

[pine ginkgo]

wat

[ocean robin]

mmmh so not accusative

I hardly hope on dative

wait.

[pine ginkgo]

i mean

[ocean robin]

it can't be dative

[pine ginkgo]

there's not much left

[grand seal]

Why not?

[ocean robin]

if you say that it's true then lol

But what was the sentence again?

[pine ginkgo]

with their pets

[ocean robin]

then with who?

Are those kind of question dative?

[grand seal]

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/German/Grammar/Prepositions_and_Postpositions

[pine ginkgo]

well

flappsy

doing those questions, when you don't know what it results in

is not helping much

also it's not a very good way for people who are learning german

[ocean robin]

I should do that, Jawzie.

[pine ginkgo]

since you need an understanding of german grammar, to be able to pose those questions and get meaning out of them

[ivory jolt]

probably hasnt learned dativ yet

[ocean robin]

I did 👀

Dem; der; den

ey

[grand seal]

She doesn't know that certain prepositions take certain cases, I think. Asking her to figure it out when she doesn't know isn't very productive.

[ocean robin]

And I am sure one is wrong

^

[ivory jolt]

you have to know when Dativ is used

[ocean robin]

Only nach I know tat.

[fair iron]

I'd call that a good start, Flappy.

[ocean robin]

Yeah but I should know the others lol

[mild cosmos]

@ocean robin if you're having trouble with prepositions, try this page out. it has thorough explanations and exercises that highlight the way they are used. I still don't quite have the grasp on them that I want, but I only went through the exercises once. another review or two should bring things to light. anyway, here is the link https://www.lsa.umich.edu/german/hmr/Grammatik/Praepositionen/Prepositions.html

[ocean robin]

Asking questions like in this case is not helpful att all.

[pine ginkgo]

i mean you gonna learn all that by making mistakes

[ocean robin]

:0 thankies

[pine ginkgo]

so dont worry

[fair iron]

^

[ocean robin]

By the way hi Casca.

[thick charm]

sorry guys internet went out

[fair iron]

Hey Flappy.

[grand seal]

Hey Casca

[pine ginkgo]

chucksternet

[ocean robin]

Poor Chuck

[thick charm]

what did I miss, is Flappy fluent yet?

[fair iron]

UnityMedia. 👌

[thick charm]

also hey

[fair iron]

[ocean robin]

Yes fluent can't do dative yet

sure yeah

[grand seal]

We should get back on topic, so we can finish this sentence. 😛

[thick charm]

Oh sorry didn't mean to make you mad

[ocean robin]

No Chuck, you just missed that I didn't know that mit + dative.

[grand seal]

Yes. I'm furious.

[thick charm]

You'll get there eventually

I promise

[ocean robin]

yay

[pine ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221709483284496394/339907286048964619/eDSIrIY.png

[ocean robin]

Anyway Solet.

[fair iron]

I promise too.

[pine ginkgo]

also this 🤔

[ocean robin]

DANG I HAVE THIS IN MY PHONE.

[grand seal]

😂

[ocean robin]

i should not scream tho

Let's respect Chuck's ears

[pine ginkgo]

now i make evil sentence

[thick charm]

no pls no make evil sentence

[ocean robin]

oh god

[fair iron]

Vier Punkte und sieben Jahre vorher, [...]

[ocean robin]

wat if there is 0 mistakes in it solet

[grand seal]

Could someone help me with mine? Or is it a lost cause? 😏

[ocean robin]

LOL HAD HAD

[thick charm]

Which one?

[pine ginkgo]

Because of the sun, the people in the city had to wear sunglasses.

[ivory jolt]

luna u havent given the solution

[grand seal]

The one I put up as a joke, then Luna made me translate. D:

[ocean robin]

Oh jesus.

[pine ginkgo]

oh

[grand seal]

"James, while John had had "had", had had "had had"; "had had" had had a better effect on the teacher."

[thick charm]

Oh he still hasn't gotten to that one?

[grand seal]

"James hatte "had had" gehabt, während John "had" gehabt hatte. "had had" hatte ein besserer Eindruck auf dem Lehrer gemacht."

[thick charm]

Dang Luna

[fair iron]

James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher.
Place the quotation marks, Flappy.

^^

[ocean robin]

WTF

[fair iron]

Aw, Jawzie already placed them.

[ocean robin]

Had spamming

[thick charm]

(the solution might be closer than you think)

[pine ginkgo]

Die Kinder gingen mit ihren Tieren spazieren, als der Himmel hell war und es nicht geregnet hat. (i changed the last part, but because i noticed i wrote it ambigiously)

[ocean robin]

LOL

[grand seal]

That was the joke sentence I gave. 😏

[thick charm]

It's close, Jawzie.

The only two things are the cases in the last part of the sentence

[ocean robin]

Solet, just the beginning of that sentence wtf

[ivory jolt]

how about als der Himmel hell war und es nicht regnete

[thick charm]

EIndruck needs to be another case, it's not Nominativ.

[ocean robin]

I wanted to begin with denn

But I dunno

[thick charm]

Oh Casca just straight up gave you the solution

[grand seal]

I had it in accusitive firstly. Was I correct?

[thick charm]

yup

[fair iron]

What? No I didn't. 😅

[ocean robin]

That's Casca's style, Chuck.

[grand seal]

Yeah. That's what I thought first. Then I doubted myself.

[thick charm]

& Lehrer needs to be something else as well

It's not Dativ, but...?

[mild cosmos]

Denn die Sonne, die Leute in die Stadt Sonnenbrille tragen musste.

[pine ginkgo]

nope

[ocean robin]

but

oh yay

[pine ginkgo]

it's an evil sentence

[grand seal]

Auf is dative or accusitive, yes? I thought it would be dative because there's no movement.

[pine ginkgo]

at least for A-learners

[grand seal]

Unless this is one of those abstract movement things.

[thick charm]

auf dem Lehrer would mean physically on top of the teacher

[pine ginkgo]

jawzie

the expression is

[grand seal]

Ah, I must have chosen the wrong thing from the dictionary again.

[pine ginkgo]

"auf jemanden Eindruck machen"

if you wanna use it that way

[thick charm]

But other than that, well done!

[grand seal]

Ah, so it would be accusitive?

[thick charm]

It's a tricky one, definitely.

[pine ginkgo]

it's accusative, because the verb wants it

[grand seal]

Perfect. I missed that.

Thank you.

[ocean robin]

Infolge der Sonne, die Leute in der Stadt hatten Brillen zutragen.

[pine ginkgo]

lol

[ocean robin]

[ivory jolt]

😐

[pine ginkgo]

nice choice of words

:D

[grand seal]

"James hatte "had had" gehabt, während John "had" gehabt hatte. "had had" hatte einen besseren Eindruck auf den Lehrer gemacht." :D?

[ocean robin]

so many mistakes

[thick charm]

Not too far from the correct solution, hilariously enough.

Flappy

[ocean robin]

WTF

[thick charm]

Yeah Jawzie, I don't see any more mistakes

[fair iron]

^

[pine ginkgo]

mhh

[grand seal]

Yay!

[pine ginkgo]

well it's far enough from the solution though, chuck

🤔

[ocean robin]

but is the verb at 2nd position brah

"Die Leute in der Stadt"

[thick charm]

Yeah it is but it's close enough where she just has to swap a few things around and pick another word here and there

[pine ginkgo]

your verb isnt at the 2nd positon tho

[ocean robin]

yes sadly

AND WAIT.

There is a comma.

So verb at 1st place.

Forgot that.

[pine ginkgo]

the comma isnt there

in german

[ocean robin]

[fair iron]

^^

[ocean robin]

AH.

mmmmh

[pine ginkgo]

you "only" use commas to seperate clauses in german

not abundantly like in english

[ocean robin]

and wat abou pauses

[pine ginkgo]

clauses

are pauses

[opal sequoia]

Yeah, it might be a confusion between clauses and adverbial phrases here.

[ocean robin]

ah

Let me see my sentence here

Wait. Did you say sunglasses?

[thick charm]

yup

[ocean robin]

[thick charm]

"Because of the sun, the people in the city had to wear sunglasses."

[sudden panther]

Mmmm, breakfast is nice.

[thick charm]

Brechfest

hmmm

[ocean robin]

mmh so if no comma

wait that I write it again

"Infolge die Sonne hatten die Leute in die Stadt Sonnenbrille zutreffen."

In der Stadt.

[fair iron]

Close.

Wait.

[ocean robin]

bleh.

[fair iron]

zutreffen?

[ocean robin]

Oh geez.

Zu treffen.

[fair iron]

To meet?

[opal sequoia]

Könnt ihr mir einen Satz geben? 🌞

[ocean robin]

[fair iron]

Wrong verb, I think.

Gerne, Base.

[thick charm]

Oh Base do you want a difficult one?

[ocean robin]

wait that I see that again LOL

[fair iron]

^

[thick charm]

nvm Casca's on the case

[ivory jolt]

yes, i want to race with base

[ocean robin]

Tragen omg

[opal sequoia]

Sure, I can try it.

[pine ginkgo]

what do you mean when you say

[fair iron]

Okay, one difficult sentence coming up.

[pine ginkgo]

"wait that i see it again"

[ocean robin]

Zu tragen.

[sudden panther]

Solet at it again.

[grand seal]

Base:

[ocean robin]

On the sentence I did earlier, Solet.

[grand seal]

“Words are pale shadows of forgotten names. As names have power, words have power. Words can light fires in the minds of men. Words can wring tears from the hardest hearts.”

[opal sequoia]

I'm kind of brain-undead today so I will make some dumb mistakes too. 😄

[ocean robin]

[pine ginkgo]

no i mean

what do you mean

when you say

"wait that i see it again"

[ocean robin]

yes and still

[thick charm]

Is brain-undead better or worse than brain-dead?

[ocean robin]

ok i checked on dict.cc to be 200% sure

ok

[thick charm]

Why not call it brain drained?

[opal sequoia]

Das sieht wie vier Sätze aus.

[ocean robin]

LOL

[grand seal]

I like brain-undead. Sounds like he feels zombified.

[ocean robin]

👀

[fair iron]

The feelings he felt towards his boss were, as he was to discover via a conversation he overheard, mutual.

Enjoy.

[pine ginkgo]

also flaps

check the translation for

"have to"

[thick charm]

overhead

[ocean robin]

don't tell me it's mussen

solet plox

[opal sequoia]

Brain undead means my brain isn't totally non-functioning; it's alive, but it's a questionable application of the term.

[grand seal]

Is this a single sentence thing, or just a quote thing?

Damn Casca. Ouch.

[thick charm]

Casca needs to buy an R

[ocean robin]

GOD IT'S MUSSEN.

[thick charm]

here, have an umlaut

ü

[ocean robin]

thank you

[pine ginkgo]

"hatten zu tragen"... works colloquially

tho

[fair iron]

Fixed it, Chuck.

[sudden panther]

But Chokk. With your ü she'd have a MüSSEN

[thick charm]

❤

[fair iron]

❤

[sudden panther]

❤

[thick charm]

❤

[ocean robin]

MÜSSEN THERE.

[pine ginkgo]

though it differs in meaning

[fair iron]

Here you go, Flappy: Ü.

[pine ginkgo]

now write the whole sentence again

[ocean robin]

yus

[grand seal]

I like Ü. It looks like a very happy face.

[thick charm]

Also another thing

Because of rarely translates as "Infolge + Dat"

[ocean robin]

yes

Dat or Gen?

[pine ginkgo]

Gen

[opal sequoia]

I'll translate them both anyway.

[thick charm]

what

[pine ginkgo]

colloquially, dat

or in south

always dat

[thick charm]

oh right

[ocean robin]

don't tell me I wrote genetive wrong

[thick charm]

I was smart but then I screwed it up

[ocean robin]

Chuck is always smart no buts.

[pine ginkgo]

you should normally use

[opal sequoia]

However, I think short quotes are fine, Jawzie. Especially if they teach some grammar that requires multiple sentences.

[pine ginkgo]

"wegen" for because of

[thick charm]

But what if I like butts

[opal sequoia]

But mostly 1-2 is best.

[ocean robin]

Omg Chuck why

[thick charm]

or aufgrund + Genititv/Dativ

[fair iron]

Who will win, Nico, or Base?

[ivory jolt]

The feelings he felt towards his boss were, as he was to discover via a conversation he overheard, mutual. Seine Emotionen für den Chef war durch eine Belauschung als beiderseitig bestätigt

[grand seal]

It's just a quote I like, and I thought it would have some interesting vocab.

[fair iron]

Almost, Nico.

[ivory jolt]

waren

[fair iron]

Check your nouns, especially singular and plural.

[sudden panther]

Belauschung.
Nico isn't beating around the bush here.

[fair iron]

There you go. ^^

[pine ginkgo]

you translated for the chef instead of for his chef

[fair iron]

Nope, he's gone rogue.

[ocean robin]

mh so let me write dat again

[ivory jolt]

oh god XD

[thick charm]

Go Flappy

I'm gonna be your cheerleader

GO FLAPPY GO FLAPPY

[ocean robin]

"Wegen die Sonne hatten die Leute in der Stadt Sonnenbrille zu tragen."

[thick charm]

YOUR SENTENCE DEFINITELY WON'T BE CRAPPY

[ocean robin]

LOL WHAT

[thick charm]

I couldn't think of a rhyme on Flappy

[pine ginkgo]

wait

wegen die sonne

lol

[ocean robin]

floppy disk

[pine ginkgo]

also müssen, flaps

[ocean robin]

oh dang

[fair iron]

Give me an 🇫!
Give me an 🇱!
Give me an 🇦!
Give me an 🇵!
Give me an 🇵!
Give me an 🇾!

[grand seal]

DO THE SENTENCE THEN TAKE A NAPPY.

[pine ginkgo]

YPPALF

[fair iron]

WHAT DOES IT SPELL?

[pine ginkgo]

YPPALF

[fair iron]

😄

[thick charm]

Deppi

[ocean robin]

LMAO

[ivory jolt]

a P not an P lol

[grand seal]

No these are my letters. Why would I give them to you.

[sudden panther]

This server right now.

[thick charm]

You know, the worst thing about that is that I kinda used to look like the guy on the far right

So that could totally be me

[ocean robin]

writes sentence again and doesn't know what to for wegen

[ivory jolt]

oh shoot i gotta go have a haircut cya guys goodluck flipflops

[ocean robin]

wat

[thick charm]

Bye Nico

[sudden panther]

Wegen + GEN. Or death.

[fair iron]

**Go 🇫🇱🇦🇵🇵🇾 !

What.

The.

Heck.

[ocean robin]

LOL

[sudden panther]

Ahahahaha.

[pine ginkgo]

lol arrem

[fair iron]

How does that even happen.

[pine ginkgo]

sagt der wienliebhaber

[sudden panther]

Put spaces between them casca.

[ocean robin]

WTF

[thick charm]

Flaospparaguay

[ocean robin]

LMAO

[sudden panther]

Regional indicators are used for flags. So put two of them next to each other, and you get a flag.

fackroff solet 😦

[pine ginkgo]

was denken die wiener eigentlich von dir

[ocean robin]

ok solet one last thing

[pine ginkgo]

wenn du wegen + genitiv verwendest

[ocean robin]

ah oki

[sudden panther]

Es hat sich noch keiner beschwert. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thick charm]

Haben ja auch alle Angst vor dir

[fair iron]

Go 🇫 🇱 🇦 🇵 🇵 🇾!

[thick charm]

What is a Wiener to a king

[fair iron]

Finally.

[ocean robin]

"Wegen der Sonne mussten die Leute in der Stadt Sonnenbrille zu tragen."

FINALLY.

[fair iron]

Almost.

[ocean robin]

AHH.

[thick charm]

no

[fair iron]

But not quite.

[ocean robin]

NO.

[thick charm]

Poor Flapps

[sudden panther]

9/10 flops

[ocean robin]

OH SHOOT.

[fair iron]

The last three words are wrong.

[ocean robin]

WHERE.

HOLY LOL

[sudden panther]

M O D A L V E R B S

[fair iron]

^ ^ ^ ^ ^

[thick charm]

Mo' Dalverbs

[ocean robin]

OH NO

[sudden panther]

W H A T D O T H E Y D O O R R A T H E R W H A T D O N T T H E Y D O

[ocean robin]

UH

[thick charm]

W H A T D O T H E Y D O O R

[pine ginkgo]

flappsy

[fair iron]

T H E Y D O N O T D A N C E !

[pine ginkgo]

dont copy the sentence

[sudden panther]

C O R R E C T !

[pine ginkgo]

write the sentence again

[ocean robin]

wow

[grand seal]

M'dalverbs tips

[ocean robin]

I did write again solet

[pine ginkgo]

really 🤔

[ocean robin]

Yez

[pine ginkgo]

you always forget some stuff :(

[ocean robin]

awww

[fair iron]

So, what's the answer, Flappy? ^^

[thick charm]

A B C oder D

Wie entscheiden sie sich?

[sudden panther]

E) None of the above.

[ocean robin]

"Sonnenbrille zu tragen" like wtf wher

mmmh

[thick charm]

Right so how many sunglasses do they need to wear in total

[fair iron]

^

They were lovely people and took turns sharing. ❤

[ocean robin]

uh one per person

[thick charm]

so what does that mean?

[fair iron]

^

[ocean robin]

oh god wat gentive again

[thick charm]

Just one pair of glasses for the entire city

[pine ginkgo]

wat

[fair iron]

Are you talking about each individual person, or the group of people as a whole?

[pine ginkgo]

flapsy

wat

[ocean robin]

I was talking about the group

[pine ginkgo]

if everyone is wearing sun glasses

how many do you have

🤔

[ocean robin]

yes

[thick charm]

And what does that mean gramatically for our sentence?

[ocean robin]

well as many as the persons

[thick charm]

Would it be Sonnenbrille or Sonnenbrillen?

[grand seal]

Do they need more than one pair?

[ocean robin]

OH GOD.

[fair iron]

^^

[ocean robin]

I KNEW IT.

[pine ginkgo]

...

flapsy

calm down

[grand seal]

Pluralize me, Cap'n!

[thick charm]

my ears

[ocean robin]

sonnenbrillen though.

[thick charm]

yup

[fair iron]

Now the rest.

[ocean robin]

Die Brillen.

[pine ginkgo]

also flappsy

[ocean robin]

Yes.

[fair iron]

What do you currently have?