general-2

[ocean robin]

^

LMAO

[pallid kelp]

to make coffee tables*

[sudden panther]

That's why you need him and not it.

[ocean robin]

ihn?

[pallid kelp]

sorry, we didn't want you to find out like this, Flap

[ocean robin]

LOL

let's correct that sentence

[sudden panther]

Are we having the talk?

[pallid kelp]

but you could use es too, to be honest. With a tiny difference in nuance

[ocean robin]

"Ich kaufe einen Tisch, weil ich ihn brauche."

[pine ginkgo]

wut

[pallid kelp]

where did ihr come from

[pine ginkgo]

i thought you said correct

flapps

[sudden panther]

Ihr. Flaps. Banned.

[ocean robin]

brah.

i hate phone and autocorrect

[pine ginkgo]

yes

right

auto correct

into another word

[sudden panther]

Ahahahahaha. Just install the German dictionary.

[pallid kelp]

auto incorrect

[ocean robin]

yes

there

[pine ginkgo]

even if it wasnt auto correc

[ocean robin]

fixed

i saw it right away solet

[pallid kelp]

lol you're on the phone and you bothered to go back all the way to edit that message rather than just rewrite it? 👀

[ocean robin]

🤔

maybe

[sudden panther]

Also now use obwohl (even though) instead of your weil to negate the second clause.

[pallid kelp]

anyhoo, just for the sake of thoroughness:
[...]weil ich es brauche = (den Tisch zu kaufen)
[...]weil ich ihn brauche = (den Tisch)

[ocean robin]

owo

[sudden panther]

Because your nicht placement was a bit off in the first example, so we may as well discuss that as well.

[ocean robin]

AH.

i have problems with nicht

and surely with kein too

[sudden panther]

Solution: always speak in positives.

[pine ginkgo]

speak in arrems

[sudden panther]

Yes.

[ocean robin]

mmh

And in subordinate clauses?

[cold vessel]

Flãppers, starring in "Ja-Mann"

[lost dagger]

I hope someday I can have my own subordinates

[pallid kelp]

ich habe nichts nicht verstanden, weil ich kein Deutsch nicht spreche

(don't take that sentence seriously please)

[ocean robin]

LOL

okay then

right next the verb

[pallid kelp]

the easy rule to remember is that it stands before what it negates

and the second rule is: if you can use an article for it, you use kein* instead.
in other words you negate nouns with kein* and other stuff with nicht

and nichts is a completely separate word that means nothing. Literally, that's what it means

[ocean robin]

Oh oki, thanks Berzi.

[viscid cape]

🤔

-by Flappy

[steel quest]

is bavarian accent that bad? i was searching about the accents and everyone tends to say bavaria is really hard to understand and even ugly

[viscid cape]

It's probably hard to understand indeed

But that has nothing to do with it being ugly

[steel quest]

i like bavaria region though, it's a pity it's hard to understand what they say

[viscid cape]

I'm not a native though, but I've heard it's pretty hard to understand indeed

And you'll probably only learn it if you actually move there

[steel quest]

I doubt I'll even move to Germany someday

so I guess bavarian dialect won't make difference for me anyway

[shy bobcat]

Bavarian accent isn’t too bad, Bavarian dialect could almost be its own language

[viscid cape]

Yeah he's right

[steel quest]

lol it's weird

I've heard the dialects thing is slowly ending and everyone is starting to use the "normal" German, though

[shy bobcat]

Bayerisch is fine since Bavaria is huge and has a very big sense of “independence” of sorts, Cologne dialect will at least keep being used around Carnival, etc. But a lot of the smaller dialects are dying

[minor heart]

Oh fuck me

[steel quest]

the sad thing is that Bavaria is my favourite region from Germany and I probably wouldn't be able to talk with them

[minor heart]

Bavarian is hard

[shy bobcat]

i konn koa Boarerisch sprichn 😦

[minor heart]

One of my friends is from there

And boy

It's really hard

[shy bobcat]

Does he talk in dialect or just with an accent tho?

[minor heart]

Dialect

[shy bobcat]

Yeah, makes sense then

😄

[steel quest]

Bavaria will rule the world one day

I'm pretty sure

[minor heart]

Vielleicht

[shy bobcat]

Bavarians don’t even talk dialect with non-Bavarian Germans lol, when me, a friend and some German relatives (from Hessen) were in Munich the Bavarians all spoke Hochdeutsch to them.

Relatives of my friend, sadly, not of me 😦

[minor heart]

Awh

Rip

[shy bobcat]

His entire family are chill af though 😄

[minor heart]

Sounds nice

[steel quest]

I'm sure I don't have a single one distant German relative, but that would be nice to have some nord blood

I always loved the nord cultures

[shy bobcat]

I have some very distant German relatives, I was gonna visit their hometown while I was in Germany

but

[steel quest]

that's why I chose German to learn

[shy bobcat]

our flight got delayed by a day so I never got to 😦

[steel quest]

I was going for Italian, though

[shy bobcat]

mamma mia

[steel quest]

I probably have some Italian blood although my family is all Portuguese, so I wanted to learn it, but then my German classes began (I thought they would never happen since I signed to it 2 years ago and it delayed a lot)

[minor heart]

Romance language r 💢

[steel quest]

ora bolas

[shy bobcat]

I love Spanish and kinda like French

[steel quest]

for having Portuguese as native language, it's only natural to hate Spanish until the last day of my life

it sounds really funny

[mental hound]

I was in Paris this summer so I learned some French and it made me miss German haha. lovely language though just weirdly hard for me to speak/understand

[steel quest]

French writing makes no sense to me

I once tried to learn it and gave it up because I decided to learn German instead

then I went to have some classes and they only began 3 weaks ago for some reason

[mental hound]

I like German because you pronounce everything and it's easier to pick out words whereas for me French is one long river

[steel quest]

I like German because... Idk, I just like it

[mental hound]

haha I like German for a lot of reasons but French definitely made me appreciate that aspect in particular

[steel quest]

English used to be my favourite language, until I started hating USA and also UK's ethno suicide

I often like the language thanks to the countries' cultures

[mental hound]

uhhhhh

hm

a lot to unpack there lol

[viscid cape]

😂

[steel quest]

it's a delicated subject, brit young people probably would hate what I think and completely disagree

[mental hound]

yeah probably but we can delicately step around that subject for now 😃

[steel quest]

yes, sorry for talking about it

I often talk more than I should

[mental hound]

no worries, glad we can agree on the love for German

[steel quest]

Germany ftw

around how many time did you guys took to become fluent at German (if you are)?

I'm really ancious about this even though I know it takes some years and a lot of effort

[viscid cape]

Assuming you won't live in Germany

It might take about 3 years for you to understand/read most German texts well and speak the basics

😊

I've been studying it for 5 years and speak like a fucking moron.

[steel quest]

lol, I wish it would be as easy as English was

since I had contact with English my whole life (like everyone else) it was just natural and didn't need much effort, although I'm still kind of bad at it for not using the language to chat often

[shy bobcat]

@viscid cape you don’t speak like a moron

[viscid cape]

Yes, the same happened to me. German will amost surely be different

[shy bobcat]

unless you call me mutti 👀

[viscid cape]

@shy bobcat Here I have time to ponder and sound a bit less like a moron, but when I have to speak in real time, I sound like a moron, trust me

[steel quest]

I don't have any way to go to Germany for now, I'm underage so when I get the chance is around the time I should already be fluent

[viscid cape]

I'm overaged

😂

But yes, start as soon as possible

so that when you go there you will use your time to become fluent, rather than to learn grammar

[steel quest]

I really want to learn it as fast as possible then I could read a lot of good books and talk with new people from my favourite country

[viscid cape]

There's probably a duolingo group, you might as well join it

I don't know if they've made it alreday

[steel quest]

there is this thing

but it's really useless

it's just a competition for who has more XP

[viscid cape]

Ohhh

I thought there were more possibilities

Like playing games against each other etc

[shy bobcat]

nah

they just added comments

[steel quest]

the best thing I could find to use German was this group, but I still don't know enough to hold a conversation

actually I can't even start one at all, I'm at the basics still

[viscid cape]

@shy bobcat is willing to tutor, you can be his minion pupil.

[shy bobcat]

who says I was 👀

[steel quest]

lol

[shy bobcat]

kryptik back at it makin shit up bout me

[steel quest]

I can manage on my own, it's just that I'm at the very beginning

I'd say I'm progressing as expected

[viscid cape]

You forbade me of speaking about Mutti, I had to come up with something new

[steel quest]

what is a "Mutti"? lol

[viscid cape]

@steel quest Long story :v you don't want to know.

[steel quest]

I think I really don't

better forget

[shy bobcat]

@steel quest it’s just an old word for “mom”

Kryptik calls/ed me it sometimes for lols

[steel quest]

that's what I found on the searchs, but by the context it made no sense

[shy bobcat]

even though I’m a guy and younger than them

[sturdy shadow]

It's also a word for Merkel

[cold vessel]

The most popular nsfw German related subreddit seems to be /r/dirndls which has half the subscriber count of /r/german

Uhh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirndl

[lunar urchin]

the Oktoberfest starts in two weeks

http://www.craveonline.com/mandatory/1318451-just-time-oktoberfest-adidas-releasing-beer-repellent-sneakers

[pallid kelp]

that's not really surprising, Eine. It's not a stretch to suppose the world has more people interested in pussy than people interested in learning chinese :P

the positive thing is that the number of subscribers is all in all rather similar

nothing wrong with that, in principle

[sturdy shadow]

That's why catgirls should've become a real thing long ago

[pine ginkgo]

catberzis

[pallid kelp]

will start working on it eventually

that fantasy will become... well, fantasy. But a playable one

[sturdy shadow]

@pallid kelp cute catgirl low fantasy pen and paper when?

[pallid kelp]

dunno, haven't restarted working on it yet

also I have a "weebpunk" idea too and I don't know on which I'm gonna work first

[ocean robin]

🤔

[fair iron]

@ocean robin Let's start our own conversation. ^^

Has anything exciting happened today?

[opal sequoia]

I have a topic.

[fair iron]

😮

[opal sequoia]

Where are them 10 sentences? 😾

[fair iron]

Ten sentences?

[opal sequoia]

Flappy's homework task I gave her. 😄

[fair iron]

Ah. ^^

[ocean robin]

Ah, for me? No, I was just in a car for 7 hours. :/

[opal sequoia]

Was it hot?

[ocean robin]

And Base, we did 2 which have 3 of the verbs you gave.

[opal sequoia]

Or is it cooling down there already?

[ocean robin]

Yeah. :/

[opal sequoia]

Ohh, I see.

Good work then.

[ocean robin]

was fun when I thought that einkaufen meant to sell

[opal sequoia]

Hehe.

[ocean robin]

Anyway, what's passive?

Never heard of that in German. 🤔

[opal sequoia]

It's when you write a sentence so the subject is the one who's being acted on.

Like "I see him" is active and "He is seen by me" is passive, in English.

[ocean robin]

Oh.

And we use sein then?

[opal sequoia]

I think you mostly use werden.

[fair iron]

Ich sehe ihn. | Er wird von mir gesehen.

^

Time to eat, till then.

[opal sequoia]

Have fun!

[ocean robin]

See you Casca.

Oh, oki dokie.

[opal sequoia]

So let's try a test for you.

[ocean robin]

yay!

[opal sequoia]

If you want to say "The bread is being eaten" what would you say in German?

Wow, Kryptik.

😄

[viscid cape]

You saw nothing

[ocean robin]

"Das Brot wird es gegessen"?

[opal sequoia]

Just "Das Brot wird gegessen"

[ocean robin]

Oh.

[opal sequoia]

And if you include the person doing the eating, like "The bread is being eaten by me" it would be "Das Brot wird von mir gegessen"

[ocean robin]

ooooh, so with von?

[sudden panther]

stop eetin me bred guvermint

[ocean robin]

LOL

[opal sequoia]

Yeah, the "von + dative" is like the "by me" from the English version, I guess.

[hot cloak]

ich werde von Brot gefressen

[opal sequoia]

🙀

[ocean robin]

🤔

[opal sequoia]

Translate that, Flappy. 😄

[hot cloak]

[ocean robin]

Isn't fressen "to eat" as well?

🤔

[hot cloak]

yh, but its uglier

[ocean robin]

yes

wait

[opal sequoia]

Yeah, fressen is like how an animal eats.

[ocean robin]

wurden is for would?

[hot cloak]

werden*, yes

or will

[ocean robin]

i would eat the bread?

🤔

[hot cloak]

[ocean robin]

don't do that D:

[opal sequoia]

Not quite, Flappy.

[ocean robin]

i knew it

what is this "von" for

"von Brot"

[viscid cape]

When you see 'werden' as an auxiliary, you need to check the other verb. Is it infinitive? Then the sentence is in future tense. Is it a participle? Then the sentence is in passive.

[hot cloak]

preposition, its just how german is

[ocean robin]

AH.

[hot cloak]

most verbs require a certain preposition, or two, and a certain case

and whenever you use them

you just have to

sometimes it won't even make sense in english with the preposition there

[opal sequoia]

Look at this sentence: "Das Brot wird von mir gegessen." and then look at this one "ich werde von Brot gefressen"

[hot cloak]

^ haha

[ocean robin]

yeeees

[opal sequoia]

What does the first one say, Flappy?

[ocean robin]

That the bread is eaten by me?

[opal sequoia]

Yes. So what does the second say?

[hot cloak]

"The bread, is what of, I had eaten"

the first one ---^

[ocean robin]

wat

[hot cloak]

more-semi literal

[ocean robin]

and the second uuuuh

[hot cloak]

if the "is what of" helps you understand the 'von' more

[ocean robin]

is it the same as the first one?

[opal sequoia]

The translation is different.

But the structure is similar.

The subject and object are switched.

[ocean robin]

🤔

[hot cloak]

itsajoke.kappa

[ocean robin]

I don't see another thing that the bread will be eaten by me

I will eat the bread sure but

[hot cloak]

lul

@ocean robin you goofball

http://prntscr.com/gg8at1

[ocean robin]

LMAO

HOW COULDN'T I FIGURE THIS

[opal sequoia]

Dw, you will learn it eventually.

But you don't need to know it for a while anyway.

[ocean robin]

Oh, okay.

What sould I know for B1 then?

[opal sequoia]

And make sure to remember that "werden" and "wurden" are different words.

[hot cloak]

past tense, future tense, präteritum, prepositions and which, (at least most common), verbs require which

perfect memorization of cases, including genitive

[opal sequoia]

You can check this out if you want, Flappy: https://www.hueber.de/media/36/sih_B1plus_Grammatik_L1-8.pdf

[ocean robin]

Thank you Base!

will say what I still need to improve.

[hot cloak]

:c some of that stuff

like reflexive verbs and "passive voice"

[ocean robin]

Reflexive verbs are quite hard for me now

I think it'll be okay

[opal sequoia]

This is just stuff you need to learn in B1. Not stuff you have to know before it.

[ocean robin]

Arrem explained me yesterday, it was great though

AH.

[viscid cape]

@ocean robin This channel is a must: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClBrbJXNh2sFxOuvH4o5H9g

[ocean robin]

The irony is that I mostly know all of these.

Except 1 or 2.

[opal sequoia]

All of these are the ones you should work on before that: https://www.hueber.de/seite/lehren_grammatik_sri

Those are A1-B1 lists of grammar.

[viscid cape]

And she recommends this relatively inexpensive grammar to take you to B1: https://easy-deutsch.de/deutsche-grammatik-pdf/

[ocean robin]

whoa what

"den Zimmern"?

[hot cloak]

@ocean robin the B1/B2 tests are more strict too

[opal sequoia]

Yeah. That's how plurals work in Dativ.

[hot cloak]

its one thing to "know" them, in A1-A2...

[opal sequoia]

They get an +n on the end.

[hot cloak]

but when you're giving sentence after sentence

you'll need to know every case

especially the fringe-cases where words break the rules

[ocean robin]

Ooooh, I didn't know that.

Thanks Base.

[opal sequoia]

Np. Those lists are all in #resources if you ever need them.

[ocean robin]

Amazing!

[opal sequoia]

Vocab lists also.

[hot cloak]

okay, here's something that you should probably know in B1-B2 but I really dont

commas...

Where do you put them, why do you use them

[ocean robin]

Commas?

[hot cloak]

Yes.

[ocean robin]

It's for separating clauses, I think

without them you'll be soooo confused

[hot cloak]

In English**,** there are natural flows and pauses**,** where commas are used.

[ocean robin]

Yes.

[hot cloak]

but in german**,** these aren't

[ocean robin]

as I said

[hot cloak]

but i sometimes i see them?

[ocean robin]

it's for clauses

[hot cloak]

right, right

but other than that

[ocean robin]

pauses as well

[hot cloak]

hmmmmmmmm..

so often do I want to put a comma in a german sentence

but i'm told its wrong

[opal sequoia]

Eh? They are not just for pauses in English.

Your example was incorrect.

[hot cloak]

@opal sequoia obviously -.-

[ocean robin]

I remember when I put a comma next to und

that is a french thing

[hot cloak]

french thing?

commas before conjunctions is in many languages

[fair iron]

And an English thing. ^^

^

[opal sequoia]

The commas in German are fairly simple.

[ocean robin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

French is easy for that.

[opal sequoia]

Oops.

[hot cloak]

@fair iron what's the low-down TL;DR of comma use in german

[ocean robin]

AH LOL

[opal sequoia]

I meant German. 😄

[hot cloak]

#1: for separating dependent clauses

got it

#2, #3?

etc?

[opal sequoia]

Zu-clauses.

[fair iron]

Erm, I have no idea.

[hot cloak]

hahah

[opal sequoia]

And clauses/phrases put into the middle of sentences.

That's about all.

[fair iron]

I normally end up using them in an English way, which isn't always correct. :(

[hot cloak]

😦

[ocean robin]

Awwww.

[hot cloak]

that's the funny thing i encounter though, I ask native germans about something

[opal sequoia]

So dependent clauses, zu-phrases, and inserting random stuff into a sentence.

[hot cloak]

and they're like "lol idk"

[ocean robin]

If you were asking the same question for French

I would have said the same thing

[opal sequoia]

And lists have commas in German too.

[hot cloak]

^^^ yep

[fair iron]

Keep in mind I grew up in England. I can speak German, but I'm not as good at grammar as I could be.

[hot cloak]

okay, so #1: dep clauses, #2: lists

[opal sequoia]

Did you miss the other two things I said?

[hot cloak]

clauses in middle of sentences, right

wherever they may be haha

[opal sequoia]

And the zu-infinitive.

Ich versuche, das Buch zu lesen.

[hot cloak]

english triggered

i want Ich versuche für das Buch zu lesen

but that isn't right, correct?

[opal sequoia]

How would that make sense?

[ocean robin]

I know, righttt

[pallid kelp]

it isn't

[hot cloak]

exactly

hahahaha

[ocean robin]

I alwyas want to say that

[hot cloak]

@ocean robin that's the preposition thing i was talking about

[ocean robin]

because literal translation

[hot cloak]

some verbs require certain preps, or without certain preps,

[ocean robin]

oh ye

[hot cloak]

and whether it makes sense in english doesn't matter

you have to sort of "think" about it the german way

also hallo Brzkr 😄

its been a while

[pallid kelp]

prepositions are pretty much arbitrary in any language so you should consider yourselves lucky if you do find some overlap, rather than the opposite :P

[ocean robin]

Hey Berzi!

[pallid kelp]

and hallo

[ocean robin]

[opal sequoia]

Why do you think it sounds right with "für" though? What is the literal translation you're going for there?

[hot cloak]

"i'm searching for the book"

ich versuche, das Buch zu lesen

[opal sequoia]

Versuchen = try.

Suchen = search.

[hot cloak]

ah blah

that's the other thing in german that confuses me

just because you see the root of a word

[ocean robin]

🤔

[hot cloak]

it can mean things totally different

[fair iron]

Berzi!

[ocean robin]

"I try for a book to read"?

what the heck

[hot cloak]

auf-verb, or ver-verb, or an-verb etc...

[opal sequoia]

I try to read the book = Ich versuche, das Buch zu lesen.

[ocean robin]

AH

forgot the zu

[fair iron]

^^

[ocean robin]

wait no

I actually put it

🤔

it's "to read" that I forgot

[opal sequoia]

😄

It's okay though.

But it's worth noting "Ich versuche zu lesen" doesn't need a comma.

You just add it if it's a phrase.

[ocean robin]

oh yeah

[opal sequoia]

"Ich lese, um zu lernen."

[fair iron]

It's not a phrase, mom!

[ocean robin]

LOL

[opal sequoia]

😶

[fair iron]

^^

[ocean robin]

oh now I know what I am going to do

grabs her 3DS

[opal sequoia]

👌

[ocean robin]

actually I don't find it lol

oki found it, I might ask for a ton of words in German lol

[opal sequoia]

You should get some dict.cc practice in!

[ocean robin]

YES.

Remember when I took 10 mins to actually found out that I had to go to the bedroom in the game

[fair iron]

We'll be here to help you with every single word you encounter. ^^

[ocean robin]

woooo

[hot cloak]

what game

?

[ocean robin]

Pokemon Omega Ruby.

[viscid cape]

Switch it to German

🤔

[ocean robin]

that's what I did 🤔

[viscid cape]

Oh good

[ocean robin]

okay first word

what does "hat [...] erklärt" mean? To shine? looks like "éclairer" in French 🤔

[pallid kelp]

explain

[fair iron]

has explained [...]

[pallid kelp]

clarify, if you will

[ocean robin]

oh.

[pallid kelp]

not sure about french, but the verb "to make brighter" = "to explain" in Italian, so it might be the same there

[fair iron]

Think of it as "shedding light on", if you will. That's close to the French. ^^

[ocean robin]

aaaah

that's where I saw that

[pallid kelp]

and the root of (er)klären most probably comes from latin

[ocean robin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pallid kelp]

also the root of the name Claire, Clara etc :P

[ocean robin]

whoa

really owo

[sturdy shadow]

@pallid kelp weebpunk?

Pls elaboratorium

[pallid kelp]

sort of cyberpunk but a focus on relatively easy bodily and genetic modifications

so of course a group of people emerge as the maximum possible physical expression of weebs

but there's not just those

[fair iron]

[20:04] brzrkr: the maximum possible physical expression of weebs```

Wot.

[opal sequoia]

Mechaweebs.

[ocean robin]

🤔

[whole rapids]

Hallo, ich heiße Andy und ich bin 17 Jahre alt, ich komme aus England. I know two languages at the moment, English and Spanish, and I want to learn German as I would like to live there in a couple of years. I am currently in college, studying engineering and I want to pursue my studies in Germany too. I just want to be more exposed to the German language as I think it can help to learn a language more effectively. @ionic steppe

I corrected your English too because why not

[ionic steppe]

hahaha

[fair iron]

*komme *aus. ^^

Ah, you fixed it. 😛

[whole rapids]

dem typos

[ionic steppe]

Oops

[ocean robin]

YEEEAH LOL

by the way

[whole rapids]

What is your native language, @ionic steppe?

[ocean robin]

can we translate some sentences again?

[ionic steppe]

English

[ocean robin]

because whai not

[minor heart]

That sounds fun I want in

[whole rapids]

okay, why did you write "I am wanting to" then? Is that a dialect thing from somewhere in England?

[ionic steppe]

My father is spanish i visit him each year and that is how I learnt spanish too

[ocean robin]

It is Dac, you'll see

[whole rapids]

oh lol, I see now. My Dad speaks Spanish too and does that type of thing too with the progessive case sometimes.

[sudden panther]

Quick Flops. Think of a sentence and translate it.

[ocean robin]

uuuh

[fair iron]

We sure can, Flappy.

[ocean robin]

sentence come to me

[minor heart]

"One day there was a little flapper who wanted to translate sentences"

[fair iron]

🇬🇧 -> 🇩🇪?

[whole rapids]

Ich möchte das auch machen aber zuerst koche ich etwas leckeres.

[ocean robin]

yep Casca

LOL DAC

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

[sudden panther]

Leckeres, du Meme.

[whole rapids]

HERAUSFORDERUNG AKZEPTIERT*

[ocean robin]

LOL YEAH

[minor heart]

Its a challenge for me

[fair iron]

1. Flappy wants to translate sentences.
2. Pferd will cook something delicious.
3. Flappy accepted Dac's challenge.
4. Pferd also accepts the challenge.```

[ocean robin]

OH.

[minor heart]

Flappy will Sätze übersetzen(?)

[ocean robin]

1. Flappy will Satzen zu übersetzen. (god that zu)

to translate

[sudden panther]

Wollen is a modal verb. 😉

[ocean robin]

owo yeah

[minor heart]

oh yea!

I forgot about that

[ocean robin]

But then the zu is here or not?

[fair iron]

Not.

Dac got it correct.

[ocean robin]

Ah.

I thought about it first.

I was like "hey the zu is not here"

[fair iron]

^^

[ocean robin]

okay, second sentence

[sudden panther]

3/10 Flips.

[fair iron]

With room for improvement. ^

[ocean robin]

note to herself: Sätze is the plural

2. Pferd werde etwas lecker kocken.

i am not sure at all.

[ionic steppe]

is just sentence Sätz then?

[ocean robin]

brah

[minor heart]

darn flapper beat me

[ocean robin]

Satz.

[ionic steppe]

i see

[ocean robin]

Der Satz.

[hot cloak]

U corrected his English 😂

Oml

[sudden panther]

Anything to add to her sentence Dac?

[ocean robin]

i hope my sentence is FINALLY correct~

owo

[minor heart]

Uhh

[ocean robin]

come on dac

[minor heart]

"Kocken" is wrong tho

[ocean robin]

there's errors for sure

because uuuh

[minor heart]

uhmm

[sudden panther]

Lol I didn't even notice that.

[ocean robin]

i dunno

[minor heart]

I saw it

[fair iron]

Neither. ^^

[ocean robin]

damn. typo.

[minor heart]

because it felt lewd

[ocean robin]

WTF

[sudden panther]

Yeah it's definitely not kocken. 🍆

[minor heart]

brb sowwy

[ocean robin]

I hate typo heh

[sudden panther]

So Flops. How do we conjugate werden?

[ocean robin]

uuuh

big blank

[sudden panther]

Keeping in mind that it's irregular.

[ocean robin]

i knew it

wait 🤔

[sudden panther]

Waiting.

[ocean robin]

LOL

wird?

[sudden panther]

Are you sure?

[minor heart]

back

[ocean robin]

don't say that to stress me, because it works

yes

[fair iron]

🎉

[sudden panther]

Good. You should be. It is indeed wird.

[ocean robin]

yay

[minor heart]

and now the third?

"Flappy accepted Dac's challenge."

[sudden panther]

Hold on there's another thing.

[ocean robin]

i knew it.

[minor heart]

Awh man

[sudden panther]

So another thing we need to discuss. Adjectives after etwas kinda act like nouns if you think about it. Which is why we add an -es and capitalize them to please the German gods. Thus, etwas Leckeres, not etwas lecker.

[fair iron]

Pferd wird etwas lecker kochen. means that Pferd will cook in a tasty way. ^^

[ocean robin]

"to please the German gods"

wait what lol

[sudden panther]

Yes. You don't want to make them mad.

[ocean robin]

I made them mad?

[steel quest]

@ocean robin I'm unsure what starter to pick in ORAS, say me your favourite please

[ocean robin]

TORCHIC

there go

[steel quest]

I never chose Torchic

ty

I'll try it once

[fair iron]

Treecko then.

[sudden panther]

Yes. Grammar mistakes make them mad. And they murder you. So, give us the whole sentence with all improvements now.

[ocean robin]

owo

[minor heart]

Treecko best starter

[ocean robin]

nuh

me doesn't agree

[steel quest]

I always pick Treecko or Mudkip

[fair iron]

Treecko and Torchic are on par, I'd say.

[ocean robin]

^

[sudden panther]

ENOUGH GAMES MORE GERMAN.

[steel quest]

ye

[ocean robin]

Pferd wird etwas leckeres kochen.

[minor heart]

Ja!

[ocean robin]

THERE.

[steel quest]

and what about games in German?

[ocean robin]

we are studying

[minor heart]

I play enter the gungion in german

[ocean robin]

or switch pokemon in German

[minor heart]

^

[cold vessel]

All German and no play makes Fläppers a dull boy

[ocean robin]

👀

anyway, let's go back to the topic

[fair iron]

The Shining. ❤

[ocean robin]

🤔

[cold vessel]

It's way older than The Shining, @fair iron

[sudden panther]

FLOPS. Read my message again. 😛

[ocean robin]

WHAT.

[minor heart]

MEHR DEUTSCH

[sudden panther]

Capitalization matters you meme.

[minor heart]

:AUGEN:

[ocean robin]

WHERE DID I GO WRONG.

[sudden panther]

Leckeres not leckeres.

[ocean robin]

whai 🤔

[fair iron]

Aye, that it is. However, I still preferred it in The Shining. ^^

[minor heart]

:AUGEN DER DEUTSCHEN GÖTTER:

[ocean robin]

LMAO

okay arrem then

[minor heart]

I used google translate for gods since I didnt know

[ocean robin]

owo

oh mein Gott

[minor heart]

🤦🏻

I shouldve known Gott atleast

[ocean robin]

So, Leckeres and not leckeres?

[shy bobcat]

oui

[ocean robin]

oh french

Pferd wird etwas Leckeres kochen. (i sill don't understand why 🤔 )

[sudden panther]

Why what?

[fair iron]

Adjectives, when replacing a noun, are capitalised.

Because they act as the noun they replace.

[ocean robin]

OH.

I didn't know that 🤔

and tell me there is no mistakes anymore

plox

[fair iron]

The sentence is now correct.

[minor heart]

plixiplox

[ocean robin]

weeee

[minor heart]

👏🏻

We did it

[ocean robin]

Okay, Dac; let's do 3rd

[minor heart]

Mainly you

but we did it

[ocean robin]

hehehe

[opal sequoia]

What are you learning today?

[ocean robin]

mmmh

[minor heart]

since flappy is very smart

[ocean robin]

👀

[minor heart]

"3. Flappy accepted Dac's challenge."

[ocean robin]

We'll see for ourselves, Base.

oh

annehmen? 🤔

[sudden panther]

👌

Do note that it's the past tense.

[ocean robin]

Yes.

[minor heart]

Well

darn

I gotta go

baii

[whole rapids]

i bims der Rückmann

[ocean robin]

baiii Dac

[fair iron]

Take care, Dac.

[ocean robin]

3. "Flappy nahm Dacs Herausforderung an."

🤔

[whole rapids]

Ich möchte einen Satz haben.

[ocean robin]

oh

mmmh

[fair iron]

Well done!

💯

[ocean robin]

owo

yay

[sudden panther]

Which tense was that Flops?

[fair iron]

For you, Pferd:

1. Pferd asks Casca for a sentence of his own.```

[ocean robin]

hehehe

präteritum, dear arrem

[sudden panther]

pferd fragen casca für eine satz von sein besitzen.

Nailed it.

[ocean robin]

AGRH

wait

"Fragen"?

[sudden panther]

Exactly, dear Flopps. Now do it in Perfekt. 😄

[ocean robin]

"eine Satz"?

[sudden panther]

It's a meme translation, ignore it. 😂

Translated word-by-word.

[ocean robin]

I KNEW IT LOL

still eine satz

oh in Perfekt sure

[sudden panther]

Literally everything about that sentence is wrong by the way. 😅

[ocean robin]

yes

[whole rapids]

Pferd fragt Casca nach einem eigenen(?) Satz.

[ocean robin]

whoa that seems complicated

[whole rapids]

Not sure that works.

[ocean robin]

wait for Casca, he'll tell the truth about it

[whole rapids]

I've not actually had to translate "of his own" or that construction yet so I'm a bit unsure.

[fair iron]

Close, but not quite.

[whole rapids]

Ein Hinweis bitte.

[fair iron]

You use the dative for one noun, when it should have been the accusative.

Also, bittet um would be a better fit.

[ocean robin]

I think it's because of "nach" that he used the dative

[fair iron]

Ignore what I said.

[whole rapids]

But: https://i.gyazo.com/6f1dad4cb6b406a56c7b0ad3f18d6cbf.png

[fair iron]

That works. ^^

[ocean robin]

Oh.

[sudden panther]

Can Basca.

[fair iron]

Please no, I'm sorry.

[sudden panther]

Flops where's my Perfekt? 👀

[ocean robin]

No, forgive Casca.

Oh well then.

[fair iron]

Thanks Flappy. ❤

[ocean robin]

Even natives can make mistakes.

You're welcome.

[whole rapids]

Okay, good to know that "bitten um" would be more appropriate tho.

Ich habe einen Satz für dich.

[ocean robin]

OH

[fair iron]

Nach etwas fragen is a little closer to to inquire about, in my opinion.

[whole rapids]

Flappers told us about the horrible time that she had yesterday.

[ocean robin]

yesterday?

OH

the fire? 🤔

[whole rapids]

I just made that up.

[ocean robin]

oh lol okay

[sudden panther]

There was a fire yesterday?

[ocean robin]

No, I told when my house was caught by a fire.

Well, not my house, but a part of it.

[whole rapids]

was caught on fire

[opal sequoia]

"was caught by a fire" That's cute. 😄

[whole rapids]

FIRE WITH SENTIENCE.

Hello Basechen 🙃

[opal sequoia]

Hallo Pferd.

[ocean robin]

Well, I alwyas say that Base.

I don't know how to translate "that time"

"dieser Zeit" is wierd

and plus it's not dieser

noice flops

[fair iron]

die Zeit, Flappy.

[ocean robin]

Yeeah.

But then diese Zeit works?

[fair iron]

It can, but you'd have to restructure the sentence entirely.

Use die Zeit instead.

[ocean robin]

oh, okay.

"Fläppers erzählte uns über die entsetzliche Zeit, was sie gestern hätte."

[fair iron]

That's not the past tense of haben. ^^

hätte ist Konjunktiv II.

@whole rapids Your sentence is a little ambiguous.
Is Flappy telling us of the terrible time she had, which occured yesterday?
Or did she instead tell us of a horrible time she had, and she told us yesterday?

[ocean robin]

Awww, I thought about it.

[fair iron]

Actually, why not try both? It would be good practice. 😃

[ocean robin]

Actually it's hatte. Dat Umlaut.

[whole rapids]

I corrected it to be less ambiguous, or so I hoped, but it would be your first question.

[ocean robin]

AH.

oh no it's okay, I said that

"Fläppers erzählte uns über die entsetzliche Zeit, was sie gestern hatte."

Are there still mistakes?

[fair iron]

*die sie gestern hatte. is the only thing left.

[ocean robin]

Why die?

[fair iron]

die [...] Zeit, die [...] is why.

[ocean robin]

Oh.

[opal sequoia]

That's how you form a relative subordinate clause.

If you're referring to something from the previous clause.

[ocean robin]

the thing that I have tried desesperaly in my story

[opal sequoia]

If you have trouble writing a relative clause correctly, try to think of it as a main clause first.

[fair iron]

"deseperaly"? Cute. ^^

[ocean robin]

Why does everyone say that the words I use are cute?

[whole rapids]

"cute"? That's cute.

[ocean robin]

lul

[opal sequoia]

So "Sie hatte die Zeit gestern" becomes "... die sie gestern hatte."

[ocean robin]

Okay Base, will do. 👍🏾

[opal sequoia]

Or for "was" it could be like "Was sagt er?" can become "Weißt du, was er sagt?"

[ocean robin]

ooooh

[opal sequoia]

Try this sentence, Flappy: "I can see the dog that I gave a ball to yesterday."

[ocean robin]

"Ich kann der Hund sehen, der ich einen Ball gestern gab."

[fair iron]

*den Hund.

[ocean robin]

🤔

[cold vessel]

This sentence feels kind of odd because the dog is kinda both a direct and indirect object

[opal sequoia]

It's not odd. The seperate clauses have their own seperate sets of subject/objects.

[cold vessel]

But it's only the first part where it's the direct object that matters?

For the declination of both articles

[opal sequoia]

The cases of each clause aren't related.

[ocean robin]

"Ich kann den Hund sehen, der ich einen Ball gestern gab."

okay then

mmh

[opal sequoia]

Flappy, how would you write "I gave a ball to the dog"

[ocean robin]

errrm

[cold vessel]

Oh, is it not "den" in both clauses then?

[ocean robin]

that "to" 🤔

[opal sequoia]

No, henbraus. The cases between clauses aren't related. The clauses don't affect each other in that respect.

Oh, sorry, Flappy. "I gave the dog a ball"

[ocean robin]

oh okay.

[cold vessel]

@opal sequoia I see

[opal sequoia]

(They translate to the same thing in German even though they're different in English)

[ocean robin]

"Ich gab dem Hund einen Ball"?

🤔

[opal sequoia]

Yep.

[ocean robin]

owo

[opal sequoia]

Now look at your sentence: "Ich kann den Hund sehen, der ich einen Ball gestern gab."

[ocean robin]

oh

I wrote den

[opal sequoia]

No, the den is correct.

The der is incorrect.

[ocean robin]

Ah.

oh yeeah

I give the ball to who? the dog -> dative

[opal sequoia]

Yeah. 😄

[minor heart]

Im sorry I left

[ocean robin]

"Ich kann den Hund sehen, dem ich einen Ball gestern gab."

[minor heart]

Parents told me to do some stuff

[ocean robin]

perfecteriino

[opal sequoia]

Good work!

[ocean robin]

Sure Dac. ^^

[thick charm]

Also one teeny tiny thing which I don't think even matters grammatically: For me it would sound better to put the gestern or time indicating words in general before the second object.

So "dem ich gestern einen Ball gab" instead of "dem ich einen Ball gestern hab"

[fair iron]

I agree. ^

[ocean robin]

Oki dokie.

[thick charm]

Though I'm not sure if it's a rule or anything.

Just feels right

[ocean robin]

will do Chuck

thankies

[whole rapids]

Darf ich einen anderen haben bitte?

[fair iron]

How challenging should it be?

[whole rapids]

C2.

[ocean robin]

C2 sentence?

[fair iron]

:]

[cold vessel]

There's a rule of thumb on adverb placemnet but I can never remember it

[ocean robin]

HOLY

[fair iron]

For this one, you'll have to translate it into English.

[ocean robin]

i can't wait to see it

[thick charm]

Are you gonna do what I think you're going to do?

[cold vessel]

The last time Casca intentionally made a difficult sentence it gave me a headache

[fair iron]

Glad to hear it. ^^

[ocean robin]

LOL

[whole rapids]

Okay

[opal sequoia]

Adverbs are things you can just learn with immersion though, because you can kind of just put them anywhere you can fit them.

[whole rapids]

Ich soll mich selbst vorbereiten.

[opal sequoia]

It might not sound as good but it can work.

[ocean robin]

just verbs are in 2nd position, and 1st for questions

[fair iron]

- Ach was muss man oft von bösen Kindern hören oder lesen.```

[whole rapids]

I usually get corrected on adverb placement l0l.

[fair iron]

Chuck might recognise that sentence. ^^

[thick charm]

Yeah

I do

[cold vessel]

@fair iron Sorely lacking in verb clusters

[ocean robin]

I see children hearing or reading?

often?

[thick charm]

But I thought you were gonna give them something straight out of the Strafgesetzbuch

[whole rapids]

Das wäre D2.

[ocean robin]

LOL

[minor heart]

❤

[fair iron]

That's more your forte, Chuck.

But I could do. ^^

In fact, I will.

[ocean robin]

was muss?

[thick charm]

But yeah, Max & Moritz is a great fairytale

[ocean robin]

and this is not a question?

like woot

[fair iron]

[Gaststättengesetz](§ 6 Ausschank alkoholfreier Getränke)
Ist der Ausschank alkoholischer Getränke gestattet, so sind auf Verlangen auch alkoholfreie Getränke zum Verzehr an Ort und Stelle zu verabreichen.```

Enjoy.

[ocean robin]

👀

pferd, i give to you all my luck

I understand 1/10 of the words there

[opal sequoia]

If it's C2 then you shouldn't use a dictionary. 😏

[fair iron]

^

[ocean robin]

^

[whole rapids]

what

okay, I will try that

[ocean robin]

alkoholfreie?

[thick charm]

alcohol free

[ocean robin]

Free of aclohoh?

[opal sequoia]

No, you can use one. 😄

[ocean robin]

BRAH

[cold vessel]

I'd probably use a dictionary while reading laws in my native language 🤔

[ocean robin]

but unless that and "sind"

i have no idea of what is happening

I don't want to restart school on Monday 😦

[thick charm]

It'll be great

since for presumably the first time in your life you'll have a huge group of people behind you who you can turn to at any moment.

[ocean robin]

:0

[thick charm]

I mean we probably won't be able to write your exams for you

But we can help you prepare with anything.

[ocean robin]

And I must go to sleep now. :(

[opal sequoia]

Gute Nacht.

[thick charm]

Gute Nacht!

[ocean robin]

[minor heart]

Schlaf gut @ocean robin

[ocean robin]

danke Dac!

[whole rapids]

Ach was muss man oft von bösen Kindern hören oder lesen.

Ach, what you often hear or read of terrible children.

[ocean robin]

👀

WHERE IS THAT COMMAA

[whole rapids]

Don't really know lulz

shouldn't you be sleeping?

[fair iron]

*what *must *one. ^^

But impressive work!

[whole rapids]

oh I forgot "must"

[thick charm]

Wie zum Beispiel hier von diesen, Welche Max und Moritz hießen.

[ocean robin]

yes I don't want to be muted again

[fair iron]

Chuck. ❤

[thick charm]

❤

[whole rapids]

"you" can work for "man" tho

[fair iron]

If someone mutes you, I'd unmute you, Flappy.

Stay as long as you like.

[ocean robin]

Awwww. ❤

Beispiel, seems like I have seen that word before

[whole rapids]

I think that was a joke before, because you were like "I go to sleep" for an hour.

[proven cedar]

example

[whole rapids]

maybe not that long

it's the weekend anyway

[proven cedar]

muss weg

[thick charm]

Alright, next sentence.

[ocean robin]

owo

[fair iron]

That's true, Pferd.

[ocean robin]

I tried to "translate" it

[fair iron]

Now, onto the law. :]

[thick charm]

I'd assume translating Wie zum Beispiel hier von diesen, Welche Max und Moritz hießen. wouldn't be too hard, so let's go straight to the next one.

[ocean robin]

OH

[thick charm]

Oh or that

forgot we had that one, right

[ocean robin]

YES CACSA YOUR TURN I HAVE READ THE FRENCH LAW

to everyone

[thick charm]

I'll try

[ocean robin]

woooo

[thick charm]

This is my moment

let's hope I don't fuck up

[minor heart]

isn't beispiel, Example?

[fair iron]

Wait, you want me to read that law in its entirey, Flappy?

[ocean robin]

Nooo.

[fair iron]

^^

[thick charm]

send it to me as well

I wanna try to translate it

by using the magic of internet dictionaries

[fair iron]

Sure.

[ocean robin]

LOL

Casca, send me that in PM, I might be asleep.

[fair iron]

Will do.

[ocean robin]

Or not.

[fair iron]

I have a law that's about twice as long, if you want a real challenge.

[ocean robin]

If my father unplugs the Wifi as he does each night, I'll sleep.

:0

[hot cloak]

lol what

[ocean robin]

yes he does that

[hot cloak]

why does he turn off your wifi

[ocean robin]

idk

[hot cloak]

ask him 👀

[whole rapids]

Ist der Ausschank alkoholischer Getränke gestattet, so sind auf Verlangen auch alkoholfreie Getränke zum Verzehr an Ort und Stelle zu verabreichen.

If alcoholic drinks are permitted, so should alcohol-free drinks be dispensed on the premises on demand.

[ocean robin]

ok I have 10 mins left guys

owo

[hot cloak]

good translation

[whole rapids]

I would've been lost without a dictionary there tbh

[ocean robin]

I would have been but it's okay

I am still A2 uwu

[whole rapids]

typo

[thick charm]

I like it, but there's one thing. Ausschank implies that the drinks are served, in the translation it's kind of vague whether its's talking about serving beverages or just bringing your own.

But that's probably just unnecessary nitpicking, right?

[ocean robin]

maybe you're getting perfectionist yes

[thick charm]

I agree

[ocean robin]

Just like I am.

[thick charm]

disregard that ^

[ocean robin]

🤔

[fair iron]

Nitpicking is good, as a lawyer.

[whole rapids]

Does the word specifically mean that or is it implied? As it's law, they have to be specific presumably.

[thick charm]

Yeah, Ausschank is the selling of drinks specifically.

[whole rapids]

good to know that though, I had never heard of that word before.

Okay, then yeah, maybe this would be better:

If alcoholic drinks may be served, so should alcohol-free drinks be dispensed on the premises on demand.

[thick charm]

Handeln für einen anderen

(1) Handelt jemand
    1.     als vertretungsberechtigtes Organ einer juristischen Person oder als Mitglied eines solchen Organs,
    2.     als vertretungsberechtigter Gesellschafter einer rechtsfähigen Personengesellschaft oder
    3.     als gesetzlicher Vertreter eines anderen,

so ist ein Gesetz, nach dem besondere persönliche Eigenschaften, Verhältnisse oder Umstände (besondere persönliche Merkmale) die Strafbarkeit begründen, auch auf den Vertreter anzuwenden, wenn diese Merkmale zwar nicht bei ihm, aber bei dem Vertretenen vorliegen.

(2) Ist jemand von dem Inhaber eines Betriebs oder einem sonst dazu Befugten
    1.     beauftragt, den Betrieb ganz oder zum Teil zu leiten, oder
    2.     ausdrücklich beauftragt, in eigener Verantwortung Aufgaben wahrzunehmen, die dem Inhaber des Betriebs obliegen,

und handelt er auf Grund dieses Auftrags, so ist ein Gesetz, nach dem besondere persönliche Merkmale die Strafbarkeit begründen, auch auf den Beauftragten anzuwenden, wenn diese Merkmale zwar nicht bei ihm, aber bei dem Inhaber des Betriebs vorliegen. Dem Betrieb im Sinne des Satzes 1 steht das Unternehmen gleich. Handelt jemand auf Grund eines entsprechenden Auftrags für eine Stelle, die Aufgaben der öffentlichen Verwaltung wahrnimmt, so ist Satz 1 sinngemäß anzuwenden.

(3) Die Absätze 1 und 2 sind auch dann anzuwenden, wenn die Rechtshandlung, welche die Vertretungsbefugnis oder das Auftragsverhältnis begründen sollte, unwirksam ist.```

[whole rapids]

m8

[ocean robin]

what

[whole rapids]

let me just boot up my 20 dictionaries

[fair iron]

You mentioned the Strafgesetzbuch, Chuck:

[thick charm]

Yeah these texts are ridiculously long

[whole rapids]

4. The attempt is culpable.

done

[thick charm]

👌

[whole rapids]

I may as well give it a go

[fair iron]

*punishable, if we're being pedantic.

[whole rapids]

culpable sounds more legalese tho

[thick charm]

prosecutable

[fair iron]

^

Culpable only means deserving blame, not deserving prosecution.

[whole rapids]

true

[sudden panther]

I like memes.

[thick charm]

I like Arrem

[fair iron]

I like Chuck.

[hot cloak]

^ampel

[whole rapids]

`§ 14
Handeln für einen anderen

(1) Handelt jemand
1. als vertretungsberechtigtes Organ einer juristischen Person oder als Mitglied eines solchen Organs,
2. als vertretungsberechtigter Gesellschafter einer rechtsfähigen Personengesellschaft oder
3. als gesetzlicher Vertreter eines anderen,`

Representing for others

(1) Representing someone
1. as an institution authorised to represent a legal entity or as a member of such an institution,
2. as a partner of a non-incorporated firm, who is legally authorised to represent,
3. as a legal representative of another

taking too long and it hurts my head

[steel quest]

In which context do I use the word "man (German)" instead of du, ihr, dir, etc?

[pine ginkgo]

if you speak of it like in general sense

like if i say