general-2

[late orchid]

it's not likely for supersonic to be as luxurious as business class or a private jet

[dense quartz]

i would want to experience it one day regardless

i love flying it's amaing

amazing

[late orchid]

oh yeah i wanted to aerospace engineer before. Still kinda do but I'm gonna start and complete a Bachlor in Physics then I'll decide if I want to master in aerospace engineering or something else

[dense quartz]

haha hell yeah

im in my 4th year for aerospace engineering

might go fro my masters we shall see

[late orchid]

that's awesome wow

first time talking to an aerospace engineer (-ing student)

[dense quartz]

trust me im just poor rn

nothnig yet lol

[late orchid]

yeah it starts once you do the big projects later on i believe. aerospace engineering is significantly more complex than the basics like mechanical or electircal engineering for example (they're easier to learn, difficult to master. aerospace eng is difficult to learn and master)

so it takes more time until you get to the good stuff

[dense quartz]

im at the good stuff

i've learned quite a lot

first two years suck ass i will tell you that

[late orchid]

haha first 2 years is basically the same as mechnical engineering i believe

[dense quartz]

yeah also i wouldn't necessarily say ME is too much easier than AE

i've seen both sides

i'm in my 4/5 years because i was an ME

(with an AE minor)

[late orchid]

what i really mean is, AE produces less successful students, but the successful students are really successful. ME produces more successful students, but they can range from mildly successful to really successful.

[late orchid]

ohh

[dense quartz]

eh with bachelors it doesn't matter as much you you'd think

[late orchid]

true

[dense quartz]

your 'specialization' isn't too unique

[late orchid]

that's why i'm going for physics bsc.

it will let me choose virtually any masters after i'm done

i'm basically stuck between aerospace eng, astrophysics and quantum eng

they're all equally fascinating to me. i have to wait and see how each of their communities feel like through learning a bit of each in general physics

[dense quartz]

i understand that entirely

STEM has so much to offer it's hard to pick just one thing

i chose AE because i simply love aircraft

so it edged out a little more than the rest

[late orchid]

yeah its mostly the guys who had a very successful project in highschool who know exactly which stem specilization to get in lol. i had to quit highschool early on and study alone to save costs so yeah

[late orchid]

thats awesome man i wish you plenty of success and fulfillment in it

[dense quartz]

thanks! we'll see how it works out lol

[faint dome]

interessant

[chrome flower]

General

2

Let's go

[hot cloak]

Back to general one

[chrome flower]

Haha

[hot cloak]

@chrome flower

[hearty light]

what a poser

[merry inlet]

Ganz ehrlich, sie sieht aus wie Zuckerwatte

Zuckerwatte ist so ein schönes Wort

[faint dome]

die süßeste zuckerwatte 😉

[merry inlet]

Haha

[hot cloak]

Cute. ^^

[hot cloak]

She doesn't pay any tax

[faint dome]

is that supposed to deduct cuteness points

[limpid trail]

@rotund raft

reingeschaut

[rotund raft]

[dense quartz]

Jesus Christ that is a very cute cat

[hot cloak]

It's time to put her in jail

[hot cloak]

Yes

[brisk elm]

I wish it wasn’t so hard to request documents 😦

Trying to prove my citizenship but no way to get passport

Birth certificate not enough apparently lol

[sand portal]

https://tenor.com/view/bald-gif-9888685932430250692

[hearty light]

Yeah you could have changed citizenship in the meantime :3 I did.

[deft wedge]

Here is salvation from the slow-mode.

[dense quartz]

hallelujah

[deft wedge]

How are you doing?

[clear prism]

Moin

[dense quartz]

could be worse. rn im working on a script for a project. hbu?

[deft wedge]

Good luck with that. Pretty bad to be honest, thanks though.

[deft wedge]

Moin.

[dense quartz]

wanna talk about it?

[clear prism]

Goethe is scammer

[deft wedge]

If you'd be okay with it then I think that might help.

[clear prism]

Why includes lots of word In exam that doesn't exist in word list 🤬

[dense quartz]

of course! you can here or in dm's if you prefer

[deft wedge]

Thank you.

[knotty cairn]

Hallo

[echo dagger]

Germans don't say please instead they give you a bite or bitte

And they don't say thank you instead the say dank -lame- or danke

[left jolt]

what

[knotty cairn]

know that'

[wraith sand]

Guten Morgen

[stoic coral]

morjen

[celest pivot]

with my accent more like bidde or dange

both arent real german words tho

its just how it feels to pronounce it

[mystic widget]

Guten Nachmittag aus der Türkei.

[hot cloak]

Tails Die Fuchs

[mystic widget]

ja ich bin tails ehehe

[hot cloak]

Is he called Tails in German?

I just guessed lol

Oh WOW okay this is kind of embarassing but I just realised that his real name is a pun

'Miles Prower' = Miles Per Hour

<@&305455824174710787> Someone just said something really offensive but then it got deleted automatically by the bot

but I saw it

[arctic atlas]

the bot also pings us for things like that, but thanks

[hot cloak]

Oh sorry about that ^^;

[delicate comet]

@karmic viper

[karmic viper]

Hi

[echo dagger]

Aussprache doesn't matter when learning the basics. Endshouldering = excuse me & Ick = I

[echo dagger]

Hallo

[clear prism]

What the fu

[faint dome]

LOL

[trail marlin]

if you want to build bad habits, yes then it definitely doesn't matter ^^

[foggy granite]

if you pronunce "ich" as "ick" you've already set a great foundation to having no one understand you tbh

[void zealot]

einfach in Norddeutschland irgendwo in der Heide wohnen wo noch alle Plattdeutsch als Hauptsprache sprechen

dat geit dann seker schon gaut

[somber flume]

Dutch people maybe can

[livid lynx]

You‘d get Bayernverbot

[void kraken]

Was a good movie

[uneven coyote]

yup

[brisk elm]

Wdym

[hearty light]

Where you are born doesn’t mean that’s your citizenship or country of residence.

You could have been born in Germany, got an American citizenship, gotten a French citizenship and optionally renounced your American citizenship.

[knotty cairn]

Hallo

Moin

Guten Abend

Guten Tag

Guten Morgen

[molten sapphire]

I've retook a test from 4 months ago and from 55% improved to 66% is that efficient or non-efficient?

[keen quarry]

Depends on your effort

[clear prism]

Depends on effort? Depends on EVERYTHING

[prime patrol]

@mint echo watching ind vs eng?

[rotund raft]

@mint echo schauest du dir gerade Indien gegen Großbritannien zu ?

[mint echo]

nope

[mint echo]

nein

[rotund raft]

Warum denn ? Wagst du dich wirklich, solchen heiligen Kampf zu vernachlässigen?

[mint echo]

i am busy watching me struggle

[tight parcel]

Ich mag gruselige Spagetti.

I like creepy Pasta.

[warm hemlock]

guten abend

[lavish blade]

Mein Hund möchte Deutsch lernen.

[rugged remnant]

<@&305455824174710787> <@&305455824174710787> <@&305455824174710787> <@&305455824174710787> <@&305455824174710787> <@&305455824174710787>

[hot cloak]

I am moving here while #general is going crazy

[rugged remnant]

check general

yeah same

I knew this guy is weird when he started saying some bad stuff just because he saw a flag in someone's name

[acoustic plume]

arschloch

scheisse kopf

i hope everyones proud of me for knowing those 🙏❤️

[hot cloak]

😅

[onyx kraken]

Then it should say wau wau

Or wuff

[gilded sable]

Scheißkopf* :)

[acoustic plume]

ooh thanjss

i thought it was scheiße not scheiß

[gilded sable]

it is scheiße usually but when it's merged into another word it becomes scheiß

[acoustic plume]

thankss

[gilded sable]

np

[indigo adder]

Please dont spam diffrent channels.

[wicked turtle]

Hallo

Ich brauche jemandem mit mir zu sprechen

Wie kann ich mit die anderen Mündlich sprechen???

[twilit cargo]

Ich glaube, dass du mit chat-GBT sprechen muss.

[wicked turtle]

Hhhh, warum sagst du sa?

Das*

[twilit cargo]

Weil ich auch niemanden mit ihn sprechen finde.

und glaube, dass chat GPT am besten

[wicked turtle]

Ich habe dir eine Nachricht geschickt

[wicked turtle]

Kannst du es überprüfen?

[twilit cargo]

Ja selbstverständlich

[eternal parrot]

Hallo

[pure ivy]

Ich spreche immer wieder mit Chat-GPT.
Leute sind toxic und kann dich nicht verstehen

Gott segne den Gründer von Chat-GPT

Weil ich nicht mehr alein bin

[void kraken]

You ll need the premium model in order to talk and Listen to him

[humble sandal]

Kennst du Stella?

[indigo adder]

🤣

[cyan maple]

hallo

[wispy prawn]

good afternoon

[pure ivy]

Ist das eine Art KI?

[kind mica]

Is that how one says "Art artificial intelligence"?

Kunst Künstliche Intelligenz sounds equally strange as it does in English lol

[clear prism]

Eine Art der KI

[humble sandal]

Ja!

[humble sandal]

Die Art bedeutet nicht die Kunst!!

[forest apex]

Have you tried that in German? 🤣

[latent marlin]

Hi i have a question, isnt there a language that it's considered a funny version of deutsch ?

[slim sluice]

dutch

swiss german

even tho thats not a language

[latent marlin]

As a swiss myself i'm upset

/jk

i dunno , i thought there was a language like german but with funny accent

lol

[deft wedge]

That's arguably Dutch. Can you be any more specific?

[latent marlin]

a shesh i confunded deutsch and dutch, yeah must be dutch

thanks 👍

[toxic relic]

What's the german version of engrish?

Like, engrish is poorly translated english

[void kraken]

Swedish, dutch, swiss german, austrian

[latent marlin]

danke

[pure ivy]

Art bedeutet "kind" auf English
a kind of AI

eine Art KI

[feral raptor]

swiss german isn't funny :(

[slim sluice]

yes it is

[feral raptor]

no

[slim sluice]

yes

[forest apex]

What about Alien German?

[devout lantern]

wird schon gut

du brauchst bisschen zeit daran zu arbeiten

[knotty cairn]

Hallo Wie gehts

[honest oriole]

Gut und du?

[knotty cairn]

Mich auch Gut

[honest oriole]

Nett!

Ich bin Müde

[hollow wing]

Hallo leute

Was ist los

[hot cloak]

it is kind of silly

[bronze lily]

es gut wie geht's

[vernal tusk]

Bluey is a cutie tho

[vernal tusk]

Frage mich, wie das klingen mag

[feral raptor]

Thank you

[feral raptor]

Aliensprache halt😊

[harsh monolith]

There's also Brazilian German

[hot cloak]

🤔

[latent marlin]

was

[echo dagger]

My comment has to do with burn out.

[knotty cairn]

Es geht

[vague knoll]

goes in my brain and falls right out

[zealous girder]

Nice

[oak pewter]

need to practice, the most boring part of learning anything, but for german i don't find it tedious

[iron notch]

türkisch

[fleet abyss]

Fick aus?

[median portal]

Verpiss dich

[zealous girder]

That's 1:1

It's verpiss dich

Or Urinier dich hinfort

[fleet abyss]

ah thanks dude

[kind mica]

not sure if it has the same effect in German, but that's hilarious in English

[foggy granite]

du gesäßöffnung!

[zealous girder]

It's the c1 level of saying fuck off

In a formal way

Urinieren Sie sich hinfort

[kind mica]

It's elegant in a way, far more refined than the pirate curses we have available to us in English

[coral cloak]

hallo

[hollow hamlet]

hallo

[craggy solstice]

Hey can someone help me please v

[merry inlet]

Wouldn’t the C1 way just be saying it English because that’s the level when you finally realise most Germans refuse to use German

[tacit spade]

Nein nicht wirklich

[merry inlet]

I was kidding xD

[viscid flicker]

Very new to learning another language, what does c1 mean?

[merry inlet]

It refers to a level of language proficiency

Basically there’s A1, A2, B1, B2, C1 and C2 (A1 being “just started” level and C2 being like “well-read native” level)

English uses the same system actually

In my experience most random natives in a language are closer to C1 than C2

[viscid flicker]

Oh thank you!

[merry inlet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages

If it helps

[viscid flicker]

danke

[tacit spade]

I would be either A2 or B1 according to that

[left jolt]

def cap dawg

true tho if ur level aint up to par

but if it is u goo i hea

[viral tiger]

@left jolt

@tacit spade

Yo people

Who wanna vc

[left jolt]

mdr

[tacit spade]

?

[viral tiger]

I said

Who wanna vc

Wollen du vc?

[tacit spade]

Kannst du gut Deutsch sprechen?

[humble sandal]

C1 could only apply to uneducated people who can't speak properly and do grammar mistakes, or who mostly grew up with a dialect and left school early. With a short training to know how the exam works, natives pass C2 with 0 problem.

[merry inlet]

I’ve looked at C2 English exams and there are words in it that natives literally never use

Like, ever

Lots of literary stuff

[humble sandal]

You used them in school. The French C2 looks like a high-school/end of middle school exam to me

Same for Goethe C2. I couldn't pass because of mistakes but it's not super hard

[merry inlet]

Capricious, cogent, didactic, fastidious, nebulous, ubiquitous, ostensible

These are all C2 words

[humble sandal]

All French words

[merry inlet]

I think most natives wouldn’t have the foggiest clue what they mean

No one says them lol

[humble sandal]

Ok cogent I don't know

I used the French equivalents in essays

But they're not that special in French I don't have English native experience

[merry inlet]

To me if you used any of these words in English you’d sound like you’d have to wear three monocles and four top hats at once if you wanted anyone to understand your level of intelligence

My native friends who are English majors would get lost with those words tbh

[humble sandal]

Didactic is theme specific but yes I can't imagine a person who didn't study using those words in the daily life but they still know what it means and know how to used them because they've been to school

Then again I only know France

[merry inlet]

I grew up in Australia and we definitely didn’t hear/use any of those words once

Even Shakespearean English didn’t really use them

The words are just too big

[humble sandal]

Maybe it's british English 🤔

[merry inlet]

I’m British and we don’t use them either

XD

[runic dagger]

Perks of being a native speaker of a Romance language

[humble sandal]

I would definetly use them because of how close they are to French. Let me grab my monocle

[left jolt]

CEFR does not merely encompass the viability of apt understanding ie recollection of appellations but recognizes the essential implementation of cohesion, which is important to distinguish @merry inlet

[merry inlet]

I asked my mum about them actually (who was brought up in England) and she honestly did better than me
But even then she only knew like two of them

[left jolt]

half these most know

[merry inlet]

I’d definitely disagree sorry

I mean ESL people maybe

But not natives

[left jolt]

either way like i said its not merely a matter of the individual here

[humble sandal]

Esl?

[merry inlet]

English as a second language

Non-natives, basically

Like the French and German people who I know (who’ve seriously studied English) tend to have a much better understanding of complicated literary words, simply due to cognates

[humble sandal]

Oh yeah those would struggle. I had natives with native parents in mind. Though some people manage to still develop a large vocabulary even then

[left jolt]

Language is a matter of not not knowing something but knowing that which one does perfectly (ie natively)

in regards to natives and CEFR

[merry inlet]

For English speakers who were brought up by English speakers who only know English I think most would be stumped by the words I posted

I’ll die on this hill xD

Even if they had a faint idea on them I doubt they’d be confident at all

Which is probably enough to fail C2 imho

[left jolt]

but can make out words whispered to them during a movie while kids are being loud and also understand the movie 100%, 100% be able to explain their thoughts about the movie

[humble sandal]

Yes I felt like I went from B1 to whoosh C1 because the "smart" vocab is just French. But I do sound weird because I'll prefer "equilibrum" to "balance" for example

[merry inlet]

Equilibrium sounds really fancy to me

Well definitely Latin vibes

[humble sandal]

Équilibre ^^

[left jolt]

The real difference works parallel to how language works. Your brain is already operating ahead of what you are going to think or say or hear

[merry inlet]

I like it

[left jolt]

Once your brain can do this in a foreign language

Is that b2-c1 level

[humble sandal]

Oh forgot an i

[left jolt]

in german?

a lot is also english soundin 😂

"famose" wörter

[humble sandal]

German no

[frosty vapor]

And just German sounding too

[merry inlet]

Soundin -> a feminine sound

[humble sandal]

The French words are not 1:1 the same

[merry inlet]

Sorry that joke was terrible

[merry inlet]

Yee

[left jolt]

either way point is all natives will have this ability that a learner wont

unless learnt to high level

[frosty vapor]

Even then it can prove tricky

[humble sandal]

I'm surprised no one did a video about natives passing a C2 exam

Though maybe it means it's non-interesting

[left jolt]

Here to make it clearer

[frosty vapor]

I feel like in Germany the teaching of German is a bit more conscious than with English in the UK or the US

And I've seen c2 tests for both languages

[left jolt]

Where a native may lack in ignorance towards certain words ("c1, c2 words) they make up in what is rarely immitated by non-natives (slang understanding, ability to mumble and understand mumble, native accent, etc) @merry inlet

THAT is why CEFR is not equatable to natives

[humble sandal]

I was thinking about that too. I've met British people who were being very rude to their language.

[frosty vapor]

It is just something that measures different competences

[left jolt]

Imagine a C2 speaker and an A1 speaker repeat the same sentence but the C2 has a noticeable accent and the A1 speaker somehow perfectly replicates a native accent. the A1 speaker will sound more advanced

[merry inlet]

Fair

[frosty vapor]

Also hard tests have little tolerance for dumb mistakes yeah

[runic dagger]

Opulent
Kontinuerlich
Dekadenz
Annexion
Despot
Nivellieren
Euphorisch
Vage
Kontraproduktiv
Sporadisch

🤔

[merry inlet]

English is very intimidating to me
To learn, I mean

I don’t know how anyone does it

[left jolt]

thought she meant in french or smth cuz i could name a fuckton in german

[humble sandal]

Ok those would all match I think

[left jolt]

there are even more that are even beter

[humble sandal]

The grammar isn't too hard. I never had to sit down and do exercises (or maybe in school) + easily accessible content

Easy as in it's interesting I don't have to convince myself it is

[merry inlet]

Really? Lucky
I mean the article usage is certainly quite different to other European languages from what I can tell
Plus the prepositions are a bit strange at times

[left jolt]

ion even finna gotta say to ya tha da vowels don aways fin gott be ther yano? den dey done be movin dat gramma shi roun

[frosty vapor]

Yeah just find stuff you're interested in
Clearly spoken sentences are always a bonus, but mostly you have to enjoy yourself doing it because it will take a bit @merry inlet

I listened to thousands of hours worth of gaming videos from some guy from Florida who used fairly complex structures in his everyday language

[humble sandal]

There are some tricky things but you can get them pretty fast. Not like German where you're still learning genders, cases, etc with C1

[left jolt]

Nah lol

[merry inlet]

I mean I dunno why you get on a bus, on a plane but in a taxi, in a car
And with a helicopter I think you could even say both?
And “generic/unknown information = indefinite article” doesn’t work because even if you got on a random unknown train you’d say “on the train”

[left jolt]

cant be c1 and learnin tha stuff

[merry inlet]

The grammar just doesn’t make sense to me lol

[left jolt]

That would insinuate that natives are learning it and that would be cheeky

[humble sandal]

I don't mean the principle of it but making mistakes

[left jolt]

Depends

[merry inlet]

I know what I’d say because I’m a native speaker but if I wasn’t a native speaker I’d be like wtf this makes no sense

[left jolt]

Shouldnt be allzu common

aber passiert den besten

[humble sandal]

Can't compare learners and natives on that

[frosty vapor]

Your ability to speak German first gets defeated by grammatical genders, then when you've given up it gets even worse and you're effectively a level or two down and confused

[left jolt]

but yes let me say that you right with this: the b, even c levels here make mistakes daily in german. i have never seen this level of mistakes from learners of english on that level. the b levels in english servers make mistakes few times a week not a day

in a general sense

[merry inlet]

I know German people who say “der Foto” lmfao

“Ich habe einen Foto gemacht”

[left jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1047654601530290266.webp?size=240&quality=lossless

[frosty vapor]

Aah I would argue with that. Learners make plenty of mistakes in English

[humble sandal]

Still not as much of a problem as German. With B2 you makes proper sentences without doubting with C1 in German you feel like you're still B1

[merry inlet]

Haha

[left jolt]

Not that the level of other languages tho

[humble sandal]

Even with my B1 spanish I doubt less ^^

[left jolt]

Its not really arguable

I mean ive seen people who learnt another foreign language BEFORE english and make less mistakes in english than the other language despite speaking it longer

[humble sandal]

Yup I noticed the same. I probably put 400% less effort into learning English and it's way better than my German

[frosty vapor]

I mean it's difficult to get a reliable reading of someone's level, usually - so it's not like our data can be anything but anecdotal (unless you're an actual English teacher in highschool or something)

[left jolt]

all the people on my georgian server i dont think ive ever even seen a mistake in english lmao

[merry inlet]

I think English is more consistent

The spelling maybe not

[jade minnow]

Hallo

[merry inlet]

But the grammar etc

Hallooo

[left jolt]

well ive been on da language cord for 6 years and done taking over 30 lang classes its just what ive seen from people irl and internet

although french people cannot spell their language for any reason

[humble sandal]

I think a good example is also that we can have a convo in English with a lot of learners and it is fluid. Try in German, soon people switch to English or ask what this or that means.

[frosty vapor]

Yeah I'm not saying everyone makes mistakes all the time

But people who are actively trying to improve, which is who you usually find in question channels, will make mistakes quite a bit more often

[left jolt]

sure

still lotta mistake

[frosty vapor]

My German is abysmal 🙄

[humble sandal]

C1 speakers make C1 mistakes though. In German we still see A2 mistakes

[frosty vapor]

Das stimmt

[humble sandal]

Are you native?

[left jolt]

i think basically real reason is that the average english learner has 1. put more effort and or has had (usually wayyy) more exposure to english and 2. has been learning longer

[frosty vapor]

I studied German for 9 years total with fairly good teachers and I was putting quite a bit effort at times, just burned out in the end

Uni level grammar got me

[humble sandal]

Then again take a Russian community learning German and the experience will be different

[left jolt]

wdym uni level grammar

[humble sandal]

I meant English native

[frosty vapor]

Ah

No I'm Polish

[humble sandal]

Ok

[frosty vapor]

B2 till C1 with some detours into academic German, with demanding profs

[humble sandal]

I wish I had had German courses after A2

[frosty vapor]

My course had 50/50 English German split in the number of hours

[left jolt]

uni reaches mostly high b1

[humble sandal]

You probably are good with grammar and just need practice

[frosty vapor]

English was smooth sailing and German killed my passion for the language

[left jolt]

in terms of expectations

but grammar is taught

[humble sandal]

They told use we would study C1 in uni (English)

[left jolt]

well theres few grammar to learn at c1

[frosty vapor]

No like
If I was so inclined, I could write my BA in German

Some people did

[left jolt]

its just that almost zero non natives with no contact to germany, etc actually speak german higher than b1

[frosty vapor]

We started at b1 on day one

[left jolt]

its vvvvv hard so it jus cant be expected

[frosty vapor]

There's just too much grammar in German lmao

[humble sandal]

I'm still learning B1/B2 grammar and you can't put me in a B2 group because I'd get bored

Ok B1 is maybe exaggerated

[humble sandal]

I swear, each word demands it

[left jolt]

The level of effort that is required to reach b2 and c1, you have to be crazy in the head to willingly put it forth

[frosty vapor]

Kinda

[left jolt]

dank big boi absent er hat meine schmerzen erlöst

[humble sandal]

I'm 99% sure I pass C1. If I were making that many mistakes in English I'd pass B2

[left jolt]

[frosty vapor]

It depends what we mean by reaching a certain level

[left jolt]

Objectively you either are or are not

[frosty vapor]

If I practised for like 100-300 hours, I'm easily b1 again in speech and writing

[humble sandal]

If you want to match the CEFR descriptions good luck yeah

[left jolt]

So you reach once you are actually there

[frosty vapor]

But with comprehension it would be far higher

[left jolt]

No such thing as being in between

[frosty vapor]

And for second/third languages people often focus just on language comprehension

[humble sandal]

100h that's about a month, bit too short for B1

[left jolt]

They are not nearly realistic enough, doesnt go hard enough

[humble sandal]

I find them hard enough. (Not talking about the exams)

[frosty vapor]

I mean I was supposed to be C1 after my BA so

[left jolt]

Well

IMO

[humble sandal]

In your opinion natives are B2

[frosty vapor]

Lol

[left jolt]

If a c1 speaker were to have a perfect native like accent they would in most cases be perceived as a native speaker

[frosty vapor]

Also, it definitely does vary

[left jolt]

i have seen this emulated in real life and am very firm that this is the c1

[humble sandal]

Nah they would do too many mistakes

[frosty vapor]

There are multiple competences. Multiple registers

Multiple contexts

[left jolt]

I met someone WITH an accent where i sometimes forgot she wasnt a native speaker

in english

if she had no accent absolutely would sound native

[humble sandal]

Learners under B1 think I'm native but you won't fool a high level

[left jolt]

point is they wouldnt

thats where i disagree with most people on c1

[frosty vapor]

German in research papers is quite different from everyday German, as far as learning it goes

[left jolt]

Yes there are many competences. There is no such thing as being in between CEFR levels is what I mean

You can have better X than X

[humble sandal]

I'm not sure it's about the accent, more about the pronunciation. In French we have many accents, if someone pronounces everything right + makes no mistakes I'll assume they're a native speaker from another region of the world

[frosty vapor]

Well yeah if that's what you mean by that then sure
I don't like cefr levels anyway

[left jolt]

If you are A2-B1 then how are you not just B1 )

is my point

Then you say well my "X" is "A2"

Then you cant possibly be b1...

☹️

[left jolt]

i mean that with accent too

i just mean whichever way u sound sounds native and not foreign how ever different

like southern american vs northern

[frosty vapor]

If you wanted to make me a politician and gave me ready made answers for everything, I could fool people into thinking my German is fine

[humble sandal]

You can because there are different skills. I can read with 0 problem now because I have a large vocabulary, but I didn't train speaking that much so I can't actively use it. Still my reading isn't B2

[left jolt]

idk theres always a pronounciation issue probably

[frosty vapor]

If you don't need a certain competence, should it count into your level?

If you can't read

And are a native German speaker

You're still native level, but just can't read

[left jolt]

But im talking about non - natives )

[frosty vapor]

Well yeah but you can learn just the words and not the spelling

Or the alphabet

[left jolt]

usually only in heritage sitauations and in heritage situations the speaker is almost never as good as a normal native speaker

sonst wärn sie muttersprachler

[frosty vapor]

Lol

I've been reading a random book series lately

So one character was born in Russia, wrote and spok Russian

Happened to go to Germany in 1941 <🙈>, learned German

Then went to the UK and learned English

You can easily learn a language without being able to write in it

And at the same time be able to do that in another foreign language

And knowing the spelling of only some random words doesn't mean you are fluent in it

[humble sandal]

I think when mister Smith evaluates your level they mostly focus on your speaking skills

[frosty vapor]

Well yeah

[left jolt]

CEFR measuers all skills ..

[frosty vapor]

If it's for regular life situations, speech and speech comprehension are key

Work

[humble sandal]

Those CEFR exams are only there to give you a paper so you can study.

Yes, basically how much do you understand, how well can you express yourself

And is it fluid enough for native speakers or do you feel the distance between both language skills.

[eternal parrot]

Hallo

[opaque verge]

Hallo

[stiff magnet]

Gude!

[hot cloak]

How did he manage to go to Germany in 1941

[frosty vapor]

She

Also the see no evil 🙈 emote was supposed to give the hint

[hot cloak]

Ah.

Pass the book.

Book title

[hollow urchin]

Anyone here familiar with the Anneliese Michel exorcisms?

[opal sequoia]

Yes and keep in mind that would be considered a sensitive topic.

Emily Rose is based on it, yes.

[sinful sigil]

hi

[strong basin]

hello

[sinful sigil]

i dont can join channels

!!!!!

[hot cloak]

Yo

[oblique hedge]

[indigo adder]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-lovely-lucifer-morningstar-tom-ellis-lucifer-wonderful-gif-18407783

[oblique hedge]

hi bro

[indigo adder]

How is hell?

[sharp lantern]

[runic dagger]

Cold compared to u

[indigo adder]

Are you learning from Eddy?

[runic dagger]

It flows in our Latin American blood haha @hot cloak

[hot cloak]

omg general 2 exist? XD

[indigo adder]

Lmao.

[runic dagger]

||Sí, señorito||

[hot cloak]

#other-languages my boy

[runic dagger]

How do I say señorito in English?

[hot cloak]

i dont think there is a way of sayin it

[hot cloak]

Mr... ?

Mister ?

[runic dagger]

Not quite 🤔

[hot cloak]

Master?

[clear prism]

You say senorita

[runic dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/pxxh-pooh-frxxt-lxxps-gxng-yxng-pxin-gxng-gif-23117857

[unborn bear]

Freddy fazbear

[sudden cedar]

He is sexy as shit ngl

Smash

[hot cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-laughing-foxy-fnaf-zamination-gif-23466951

[hot cloak]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[hot cloak]

🤔

[rugged remnant]

Did you wake up at 5 am or go to sleep

[vital tartan]

Hi guys

Die Frau liebt der Mann sehr

Does this sentence make sense?

Is it correct grammatically

?

[jade wadi]

anyone want to play gartic phone?

[hot cloak]

I went to sleep

[rugged remnant]

why so late

[hot cloak]

I like staying up late on a weekend

btw I'm the champion of Geoguesser 👑

[jaunty sleet]

Hallo!!

I'm listening to a podcast I don't understand a word of :))

[hot cloak]

<@&305455824174710787>

[jaunty sleet]

not gonna click on that

[hot cloak]

It's gone now

[rugged remnant]

What happened

[hot cloak]

someone posting super gross GIFs

[rugged remnant]

which

[sharp lantern]

it was deleted for a reason, no need to bring it up again

[agile rune]

I sent it to Radwan, you can delete it now if you want

[deft wedge]

Thank you, sorry for the ping Luna.

[chrome flower]

Luna is watching

Hehe

[agile rune]

Luni is always watching

[chrome flower]

Of course I'm

[deft wedge]

I'm off, have a good one.

[agile rune]

k

[chrome flower]

15 Minutes

Hot showers cant take longer

I would be a boiled Luna then

Hehe

[chrome flower]

Bye

[uncut mantle]

Hallo

[merry inlet]

den*, you probably meant

Otherwise it would make sense technically

(Like "the woman is the one who the man loves")

But it's not common

I'm guessing you meant either
-> Der Mann liebt die Frau sehr
-> Die Frau liebt den Mann sehr

[merry inlet]

Yo

[blazing orchid]

Hello

[boreal haven]

hallo

[inner nexus]

hallo

dang it brb

back

Hallo, ich freue mich sehr, alle kennenzulernen

[void zealot]

hallöchen Rem

[inner nexus]

hi!

hallo

[gilded heath]

Hallo

wie geht's

[neon patio]

Hallo !

[broken helm]

Halloo

[muted marsh]

Hallo leute

[stray frigate]

Hallo

Wie geht es ihnene

[slow mist]

Hallo

[simple quail]

hallo leute

hat jemand lust auf das voice chatten?

[spice current]

klar aber für mich ist es noch etwas früh

[hollow hamlet]

Gut

[fervent basin]

hallo

[vestal raft]

Hi

[forest apex]

Moin

[blazing orchid]

Hello

[cloud flower]

moin moin

[warm hemlock]

Hallooo

[burnt hill]

Hallo Leute!
Wie geht es euch allen heute?

[solid nimbus]

Ich bin ok und du?

[livid lynx]

Mir geht's super und dir?

[burnt hill]

Schön, Mir geht es auch super 😄👌🏻

[livid lynx]

Das freut mich.

Wie lange lernst du schon Deutsch?

[burnt hill]

Ich lerne deutsch Seit fünf Monaten.

Und du?

[livid lynx]

Ich bin Muttersprachlerin 🙂

[unborn field]

Guckt mal wie schön

Im joking

[burnt hill]

Ah, ok- 😶

Ich bin immer noch ein Anfänger

[hot cloak]

hallo wie lange könnte es dauern bis ich Deutsch als muttersprache gut lerne?

und wird es einfach sein niederlandisch zu lernen nachdem man deutsch gelernt hat

[livid lynx]

[…] allerdings sollte man eine Ernährungsform wählen, für die man geeignet ist.

You have to swap the position of „die“ and „für“ - everything else I just corrected is a improvement considering style

[narrow rivet]

hALLO MEIN SCHATZ

[unborn bear]

hallo

[maiden adder]

hoi wie gehts?

[unborn bear]

Mir geht es gut, wie geht es dir?

[inner osprey]

Hi

[unborn field]

Ich kann dein zweiter Schatz sein

[merry inlet]

You just made me laugh out loud lmao

[stray thunder]

Hallo

[merry inlet]

Hallooo

[mellow basin]

Hallo

[tawny crown]

Hallo! Wie geht's?

[hot cloak]

Wanna see a guy dancing with a crocodile?

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-with-alligator-alligator-crocodile-living-the-dream-dance-gif-15460448244414841920

[tawny crown]

Super

[mellow basin]

ridiculous

[unborn bear]

how romantic

[unborn field]

XD

Ja genau 🤣

[stray thunder]

Sehr romantic

[silver spoke]

richtig

[royal robin]

Hallo

[jovial plume]

hallo

wie geht's Ihnen

[silver spoke]

Gehts?

was

Wie Gehen?

[jovial plume]

was meinst damit du?

[humble sandal]

Ja

[silver spoke]

What does damit means

And meinst

[hot cloak]

dum dum

hallo

wie läufts

[fast talon]

hallo leute

[muted marsh]

Hallo leute

[livid lynx]

What do you mean by that

[tepid shard]

With it, by that

Was(what) meinst(conjugation of meinen, it means to mean) damit(by that) du(pronoun for meinst)

Full sentence

What do you mean by that

[silver spoke]

Was meinst damit du

[hot cloak]

Was keine meinst damit du

[modest wolf]

Danke

[deft wedge]

I'm going to be doing the final part of my German exam tomorrow morning, after that I'll be leaving to focus on my Mandarin studies. This is the last time I'll talk, I just want to say thank you all for the fun times, it's really brightened up my months spending time with this wonderful community. I hope it remains this friendly and fun for the years to come and am very grateful to everyone for making it such a welcoming place to be in. Many thanks especially to the moderators for always keeping the server free of trolls and toxicity, I'm also grateful for all the patience in dealing with my reports and stupidity. ||Thank you for the advice by the way, I really appreciate it and I'll try my very best to improve.||

Best of luck to you all with everything, ~~especially to Arrem with finding better pupils, mother truly deserves so much better. ~~

Tschüss!

[hardy hazel]

Auf Wiedersehen👋

[golden kraken]

Bye Apollo

[woeful matrix]

Does this mesn u never will come back??

[iron notch]

aw,

[rugged cypress]

i'll miss you "bestie" 😭😭😭

[hoary echo]

Mongolia

if you dont believe it

look at this graph

source: true mongol patriot

anyways if any of you have tips to learn german enough to pass a profficency test, leave horrid mongolia, avoid conscription and quickly reply here

[indigo adder]

Goodbye Apollo. Good luck tomorrow.

[icy osprey]

Autsch!

[shrewd notch]

So, you're not gonna come back after your mandarin studies?

[wooden charm]

hallo ish bin isaac decannon solun und du und guten morgan

[hot cloak]

🤨

[mint echo]

https://tenor.com/view/levi-hange-give-your-heart-shinzou-sasageyo-sacrifice-gif-2861036522803155582

[left jolt]

[hot cloak]

Good bye. 🫂

[waxen moon]

can I ask yall a kind of dumb question?

What do you guys use as like vocab sheets and conversations? I remember in hs there was this teacher who taught us french with these like packets of vocab and I just remember learning it like pretty fast from the conversational pieces and vocab but I cant find it for german T^T

[tepid shard]

Do you know what quizlet is

But also when you memorize words make sure to also take note of the article it helps you later

Everyone to me also suggested anki

[hot cloak]

Tschüss, we will miss you

[waxen moon]

I think so, isnt it like that flashcard study app or sum

[unborn field]

Viel Glück!

[tepid shard]

Yep it’s handy but anki is better it’s just paid

[rich ermine]

guys

i cant go in vc im new here so can i have help

[short path]

wer bin ich?

[rich ermine]

we am i? why did u say that

[rich ermine]

?

[short path]

hm, i meant to say who am i

[rich ermine]

Oh ye sry i did a bad transation

can u help me tho

[short path]

with what

[rich ermine]

i cant go in vc

[short path]

in this discord?

[rich ermine]

ye

[rich ermine]

ohh how do i make that go away

[short path]

ask a mod

[rich hollow]

if you're new it's there for 60 mins then it goes away, I believe

[rich ermine]

ok thx

[waxen moon]

oh, thank you!

[indigo adder]

<@&305455824174710787>

[tidal gyro]

No

[hot cloak]

<@&305455824174710787>

[tepid shard]

Mate, people here agree with you however this is not the time or place for such discussions or statements

Can you apologize? Not for how you feel but for disrupting the environment

Yes

Being obnoxious to other people will only further stray them from your cause

[solid nimbus]

No politic here

#1164355276741279794 message

[forest apex]

<@&305455824174710787>

Your discord name 💀💀💀

[void zealot]

good evening, i see we're having a very normal one

🙂

[solid nimbus]

Hi how are you

[void zealot]

hi!

i'm good, i've had a nice week

and you?

[solid nimbus]

Im ok

[void zealot]

ah, well, that's something i suppose

🤔 i should get around to talking to some classmates (Kommilitonen = other people in university) when we want to meet. i've been asked to help some people because the prof in that class does everything really quickly and they can't quite keep up. one of them said we could do that over the weekend or next week, rumour has it tomorrow will be the weekend then, innit

[tepid shard]

Just curious are you Israeli?

[solid nimbus]

Yes

[tepid shard]

This is just a side note but, I hope that peace is near in the future for your people

[solid nimbus]

But no politic here

[tepid shard]

It was just a side note

No further discussion needed

[hot cloak]

Go to the politics channel 🙄

[tepid shard]

There’s a politics channel?

[hot cloak]

Yeah

[tepid shard]

huh

[hot cloak]

Well

sensitive-topics channel

Go to id:customize

and scroll down and select 'sensitive topics' role

and you'll get access to it

[tepid shard]

Oop

cool

[solid nimbus]

This topic is also banned there

[hot cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-gif-19480760

[tepid shard]

I feel like it shouldn’t be, because it needs to go somewhere. And silencing both sides is inappropriate when people are dying on both sides of the conflict for equally sad reasons.

[solid nimbus]

You can dm me

[tepid shard]

Shore

[indigo adder]

This is a language learning server, there are plenty of other servers on the internet you can talk about that topic.

[hot cloak]

For once I actually agree with Rin

[tepid shard]

So the conflict doesn’t affect people learning languages?

[hot cloak]

Rin can I post some FNAF "bruh" GIFs at MadMase?

[indigo adder]

So the purpose of this server is to learn German.

[indigo adder]

No.

[hot cloak]

😢

[tepid shard]

Wait I’m confused what you mean by this

This isn’t really responding to what I said at all

[hot cloak]

Well it is

[tepid shard]

Not really

[hot cloak]

well it is

[tepid shard]

lol

[indigo adder]

My point is, you can talk about that topic elsewhere. Here is a place to learn the German language. Our moderators are already busy with all sorts of trolls. It isnt possible to keep an eye on political conversation which guarantee conflicts between the users and can get ugly very fast. If you have any further questions about this you should consider to use #report-issue and talk to a moderator directly.

[tepid shard]

are you a moderator?

[indigo adder]

No; I am not.

[merry inlet]

See? English native

[indigo adder]

How many mistakes?

[merry inlet]

0 tbh

lmao

That’s why I called you a native

[indigo adder]

I can't believe this. I need a second opinion.

[tepid shard]

Ohhhh

[tepid shard]

So? The purpose of this server is to learn German.*

Ok fair enough

[merry inlet]

“So?” is not an appropriate reply to what you sent imho

[hot cloak]

average English native speaking German: mir geht es gut und du?
average German speaking English:

[merry inlet]

It doesn’t make sense

[tepid shard]

You misunderstand

[indigo adder]

Wasn't my intention. Yup.

[hot cloak]

Please Rin I want to send GIFs at MadMase so badly

[tepid shard]

I was putting punctuation in their sentence so it makes sense to me

[hot cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-pacman-speechbubble-above-gif-26156649

[tepid shard]

So? Is a proper response to what I said beforehand

[indigo adder]

No.

[hot cloak]

😭

[indigo adder]

I think that doesn't fit what I wanted to say.

[merry inlet]

Rin’s sentence was fine to me 🤷‍♂️

[tepid shard]

then you said it wrong

So is a conjunction

[indigo adder]

The "So?" Sounds provocating to me.

[merry inlet]

I’d agree, it’s generally pretty rude

[trail marlin]

I agree, since esper agrees

[tepid shard]

Were you trying to type a two part sentence?

[indigo adder]

Thank you, I will ask my native friend about it.

[tepid shard]

Oh btw I don’t mean to be rude

Sorry if it came off that way

[indigo adder]

No worries.

[hot cloak]

Wtf 💀

Yes you did, don't even try that

[trail marlin]

that's what I was thinking hahah

[merry inlet]

Personally as a native English speaker I honestly would’ve said it like Rin did

It made perfect sense to me

[hot cloak]

MadMase was just trying to get their own back on Rin for telling them to stop talking about politics here

But failed, because Rin's English is perfect

[indigo adder]

We both know your English isn't the yellow from the egg.

[hot cloak]

@tepid shard 🤡 🎪

[indigo adder]

We can drop that topic now.

[tepid shard]

Rezenou you seem to put words in my mouth that I did not say, and if I wanted to be rude it would be more explicit and I wouldn’t have apologized and clarified

[hot cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-fnaf-meme-five-nights-at-freddys-freddy-fazbear-freddy-gif-24809105

[merry inlet]

While I’m sure Rin appreciates the compliment please don’t bait other users into fights

[indigo adder]

This.

[hot cloak]

I wasn't the only one that saw it 😭

[indigo adder]

If you want to further discuss this do it in DMs. I have no hard feelings.

[trail marlin]

hey, don't pull me into this😬

I'm just a bystander

[hot cloak]

😠

[merry inlet]

We should settle this once and for all by banning Ephemere.

[hot cloak]

Anyway it's Friday night, what did everyone have for dinner???

[trail marlin]

damn

[indigo adder]

Best is I just leave.

[merry inlet]

Nuuuuu

[hot cloak]

Nooo 😭

[indigo adder]

I wrote one perfect sentence, I archived my goal. Thats why I came here.

[merry inlet]

achieved* I think you meant (tho that was probably a typo lol)

[trail marlin]

archived, in what archive did you archive it

[indigo adder]

Damn. Seems I have to stay a little bit longer.

[merry inlet]

My phone keeps autocorrecting aufräumen to ausräumen and ausräumen to aufräumen and Germans seem to love correcting me on that one every single time

I always hit enter with the wrong one typed in

[indigo adder]

Ehehehe... I feel that. Mine loves to switch between English and German.

[merry inlet]

xD

Mine does the same! It wants to capitalise every single English noun now

Kind of frustrating

[trail marlin]

how about just not using auto-correct like a civilized person?

[merry inlet]

Dude with the amount of typos I make

not using it is a death sentence

[hot cloak]

*civilised

[trail marlin]

what?

both are correct

[hot cloak]

I'm being silly hehe

[indigo adder]

Just write in German. You will make less mistakes.

[merry inlet]

I think my German is genuinely better than my English

Which is tragic

[trail marlin]

I don't make mistakes when writing in English... only when writing in German, cough|| der scham @merry inlet ||

[merry inlet]

I always pick weird unidiomatic expressions in English for some reason

And then awkwardly go back and fix them

I’m not so used to doing that in German

[trail marlin]

||you mean you're not so used to noticing it in German||

I'm kidding

[merry inlet]

xD

I mean probably true to an extent lol

But I think less people give a shit in German so it’s a bit easier to get away with

[trail marlin]

we don't have that many MadMases in German, true

[merry inlet]

German has so many unclear points (especially in relation to gender) that what’s natural and what isn’t gets blurred really quickly in my experience

I read a linguistic article today written by a native speaker and he admitted that he got the gender of Genus wrong and had to retroactively fix it for the entire article

Because even he wasn’t sure

He wrote “der Genus” like 50 times

[trail marlin]

das geschlecht - das Genus

that's how I think about it

"der" doesn't sound "wrong" with that word either though

[merry inlet]

Yeah he mentioned that maybe a local dialect was interfering

Is it true that Apfelschorle gets treated as all three genders depending on region? I read something mentioning that at one point

And have found no sources stating or mentioning that since

[trail marlin]

I only use "die" with it

[indigo adder]

Same.

[merry inlet]

I think it said “die” was the standard one and it was either der or das in the South or something? Can’t remember

Something weird

[indigo adder]

Die Apfelschorle.
Der Apfelsaft.

Das Apfelgetränk.

[merry inlet]

Interesting, Wiktionary mentions 2 versions but no masculine one

Hmmm

And different plurals 👀

[indigo adder]

If you are native you can make up your owen rules. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[merry inlet]

lmao

[indigo adder]

Das Nutella.

[merry inlet]

It’s hilarious to me when natives correct each other on articles because they disagree on one word

Just a war of them correcting each other over and over again

[indigo adder]

See, that is why I write English here. No German corrections. :]

[merry inlet]

LOL

[merry inlet]

Did you know Saft is neutral in the Netherlands

Well it’s “sap” over there but yea the gender changes for some reason apparently

Kinda weird

Wait is the adjective neutral or neuter in English

Crap

[indigo adder]

XD

🦀

[merry inlet]

It’s so stupid they sound so similar

neutral neuter neutrum

It’s almost like some language-making dude wanted to confuse as many people as possible

[merry inlet]

I made an even more embarrassing mistake recently
I said “backery”

😬

bakery, Bäckerei -> backery

Eurgh

[trail marlin]

bäckery

[indigo adder]

This tbh.

[merry inlet]

German has messed up my English so much it’s not funny

[indigo adder]

I want to say the same.

[merry inlet]

xD

“Wow the sunne is so bright”

“There are lots of tears at the zoo.”
“Do people hate it that much?”

[night dagger]

Be it German or English, both languages are fairly easy to study

[fathom sparrow]

German > Chinese > English

[dense quartz]

English > German > Chinese

[mint echo]

rin got sentenced? noice

[thorn lava]

heyyy, i'm back after ages

[mint echo]

https://tenor.com/view/destroy-heart-i-hate-valentines-single-life-annoyed-squidward-gif-3701790

[thorn lava]

why do you hate me sm? ToT

[mint echo]

i hate everyone

including me

[thorn lava]

fair enough

btw ium about to start B2

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hows going

[thorn lava]

life goes on and on and on

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you gave B1 test?

[thorn lava]

no lol, i'll appear for it while doing B2.1

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ohh

[thorn lava]

wassup with you?

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halfway through A2

[thorn lava]

cool

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you will also take B2 exam?

or just apply with B1

[thorn lava]

i'm applying with a2 lol

all are english taught

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you have already applied?

[thorn lava]

started, the process is titano boa length

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f

[thorn lava]

process legit making me feel like a terrorist

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how?

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to how many unis you will be applying to?

[thorn lava]

every now and then they'll ask for some doc and you'll go damn do i even have that

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deported

[thorn lava]

the unpaid ones for now

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so spamming apply rn

XD

[thorn lava]

mainly cuz youre indian

[thorn lava]

only got like 2-3 of those on my list

so not like spamming or anything

wont be possible either

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how are you managing LORs?

[thorn lava]

got 2

from my project superviser and HoD

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using same LOR everywhere?

or optimizing it?

for each course

[thorn lava]

lor is given by profs dude i cant change them

i'm making customised SoPs ovio

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so just giving profis. email?

[thorn lava]

you mean?

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giving professors email

so when contacted by german uni

they will write accordingly

[thorn lava]

yeah

no actually

they gave me 2 and i'll insert the same 2 everywhere

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ohh 😮

[thorn lava]

my profs arent so good as to customise ;_;

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🫂

my profs are lazy af too

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🫂

what are you doin other than deutsch

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GRE and IELTS

almost done with quants

verbal is sucking my soul

[thorn lava]

i didnt appear for gre

costly af

[broken helm]

Woher in Indien kommst du?

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I crashed my car into the bridge

[hot cloak]

Sup

[calm cairn]

Congratulations

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Congratulations

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^ Look there is an easy way.

@hot cloak

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That's Just so easy hahaha what a bait

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^^

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I don't care, I love it

[thorn lava]

ich wohne in Kolkata