Muninn - Battery Wisdom | The Rebble Alliance | Page 3

grim tree Apr 7, 2026, 4:12 PM

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yeah they do

karmic holly Apr 7, 2026, 4:14 PM

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All disabled for me, do they still behind the scene?

grim tree Apr 7, 2026, 4:16 PM

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not that i know of (but do keep in mind that having them off will make it harder for them to troubleshoot any issues you run into)

karmic holly Apr 7, 2026, 4:22 PM

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Yeah thanks to everyone who have those options enabled, it's essential. I may turn app crashes when I get the watch.

rough token Apr 7, 2026, 4:24 PM

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The coredumps can often point straight to the cause of a fw crash so worth sending them

pallid solstice Apr 7, 2026, 4:26 PM

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rough token The coredumps can often point straight to the cause of a fw crash so worth sendi...

especially helpful since coredumps are now uploaded automatically and not only with bug reports!

cloud cave Apr 7, 2026, 8:32 PM

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https://bsky.app/profile/ericmigi.com/post/3miwmmq4xqk2o

Eric Migicovsky (@ericmigi.com)

Now that PT2 is fully in mass production, we're working on reducing power consumption in PebbleOS. Building a bunch of fun (to me at least lol) tools to help with this! Here's some charts of where we're starting at. Asterix is the codename for P2D, Obelix = PT2.

rough token Apr 7, 2026, 8:34 PM

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Distribution is a good tool. You can tell by the levels the pool of PT2 units is a lot smaller than the one for P2D.

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Once I'm done with contest entries I'll turn my eye to Muninn data quality.

rough token Apr 11, 2026, 4:02 PM

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Brief start at looking at the nature of the data, here's some stats:

Pebble 2
  Items: 3
  Days: min 5 / avg 7 / max 10 (range 5)
  Avg. Rate: 16%/d

Pebble 2 Duo
  Items: 56
  Days: min 3 / avg 19 / max 33 (range 30)
  Avg. Rate: 7%/d

Pebble 2 HR
  Items: 5
  Days: min 3 / avg 6 / max 8 (range 5)
  Avg. Rate: 18%/d

Pebble Time
  Items: 36
  Days: min 0 / avg 6 / max 14 (range 14)
  Avg. Rate: 21%/d

Pebble Time 2
  Items: 9
  Days: min 4 / avg 8 / max 17 (range 13)
  Avg. Rate: 15%/d

Pebble Time Round
  Items: 4
  Days: min 2 / avg 3 / max 5 (range 4)
  Avg. Rate: 38%/d

Pebble Time Steel
  Items: 42
  Days: min 4 / avg 18 / max 100 (range 96)
  Avg. Rate: 10%/d

As you can see, there's a large range where days of battery life estimated is concerned. Obviously each set of samples has a different length, some may be very small or contain only extreme values.

I haven't begun looking at things like excluding outliers or using distributions etc. but that is probably the next step.

hollow nacelle Apr 11, 2026, 4:04 PM

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P2D min 3 max 33 is rough

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PTS 100 days going crazy

rough token Apr 11, 2026, 4:05 PM

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No guarantees that isn't some error on my side 😅

snow lava Apr 11, 2026, 4:07 PM

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hollow nacelle PTS 100 days going crazy

Maybe they charged it every day but specifically skipped the sample times and made sure to only charge it enough so that the battery level didn't drop at sll

rough token Apr 11, 2026, 4:08 PM

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It's essentially a calculated drain rate of 1. 100% / 1%/d = 100 days

Probably from before the last update switched that to fixed point arithmetic

snow lava Apr 11, 2026, 4:18 PM

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Oh, I guess it's not time between charges

rough token Apr 11, 2026, 4:18 PM

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No

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It's the above calculation with the estimated all-time rate

snow lava Apr 11, 2026, 4:18 PM

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I wonder how they got it to drain 1% per day on a watch with 10% battery increments though

rough token Apr 11, 2026, 4:19 PM

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I would want to examine that record

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It has 11 days of data (44 samples), one charge, and most samples are 'no change'

snow lava Apr 11, 2026, 4:27 PM

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Fascinating

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Maybe they just took it apart and installed a giant battery

rough token Apr 11, 2026, 4:30 PM

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Also a 12 day gap in data - must decide what to do when that occurs.

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{ res: -103, r: -1, cp: 10, ts: 1772449202 },
{ res: -102, r: -1, cp: 0, ts: 1771369202 },

From 'no change' to 'charged' and the charged value is 10 from 0, which I guess is when it conked out, and the wakeup chain was broken or the watch was dead for ~2 weeks.

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Maybe I need a 'if a large gap, stop there' logic step

rough token Apr 11, 2026, 5:00 PM

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I've introduced some changes for this, but no time to publish right now:

On wakeup, if the time since last sample is >12h (two samples), note the time but don't store a sample. Next wakeup will be compared to this time instead of 12 days ago for example
On the JS side, if a gap is too large, skip that sample and carry on averaging. Therefore the large gap isn't considered for the 'total diff / total time' calculation

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Hopefully I have time to publish it soon and eventually these get filtered out.

tranquil mountain Apr 12, 2026, 5:03 PM

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Same here, just did 2 weeks away, didn't even touch the charger, came back with over 60%

rough token Apr 12, 2026, 5:29 PM

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Next step will be to use something like mediam or IQR to suitably treat extreme outliers.

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Another day.

rough token Apr 12, 2026, 6:28 PM

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I lied - I put a quick standard deviation into the Lambda aggregation code, eliminated those 2o away, and then replaced the average with the median. The commonness of this value actually supports this and makes PTS swing closer to believe-ability!

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Pebble 2
  Items: 3
  Days: min 6 / avg 7 median 6 / max 10 (range 4)
  Avg. Rate: 15%/d
  [6 6 10]

Pebble 2 Duo
  Items: 57
  Days: min 3 / avg 20 median 20 / max 50 (range 47)
  Avg. Rate: 7%/d
  [6 6 11 13 13 13 13 13 14 14 14 14 14 14 14 17 17 17 17 17 17 17 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 25 25 25 25 25 25 25 25 25 25 25 25 25 25 33 33 33 33 33]

Pebble 2 HR
  Items: 5
  Days: min 3 / avg 6 median 6 / max 8 (range 5)
  Avg. Rate: 18%/d
  [3 6 6 7 8]

Pebble Time
  Items: 35
  Days: min 1 / avg 6 median 5 / max 14 (range 13)
  Avg. Rate: 21%/d
  [1 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 7 7 8 8 10 11]

Pebble Time 2
  Items: 10
  Days: min 4 / avg 8 median 6 / max 17 (range 13)
  Avg. Rate: 15%/d
  [4 4 5 6 6 8 9 11 13]

Pebble Time Round
  Items: 4
  Days: min 2 / avg 3 median 3 / max 5 (range 4)
  Avg. Rate: 38%/d
  [2 3 3 5]

Pebble Time Steel
  Items: 42
  Days: min 4 / avg 18 median 11 / max 100 (range 96)
  Avg. Rate: 9%/d
  [4 4 5 5 5 6 6 8 8 8 8 8 8 9 9 9 10 10 11 11 11 13 13 13 14 14 14 20 20 20 20 25 25 25 25 33 33 33 50 50 50]

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So that one PTS with '100 days' is eliminated

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(the min/max do not include the eliminated values so I can still see them)

karmic holly Apr 12, 2026, 6:36 PM

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rockon

late tangle Apr 12, 2026, 7:56 PM

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George "Nuclear Reactor Watch" is an outlier and should not have been counted

grim tree Apr 16, 2026, 9:05 AM

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@rough token more muninn weirdness - I'm still running that build you gave me that doesn't auto-close the messages and should tell me if the data gets wiped

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i haven't seen the data get wiped yet, but my cloud sync ID seems to have mysteriously changed

rough token Apr 16, 2026, 9:17 AM

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That is strange. I can tell you the DB is still there, so I have to ask if it's a different watch? Because of the watch token which should not be able to change. But I know you'll say it's the same watch. No chance you can share both upload IDs and/or the watch token please?

grim tree Apr 16, 2026, 9:28 AM

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rough token That is strange. I can tell you the DB is still there, so I have to ask if it's ...

I don't know how to find the watch token, but the old ID is 4FC7DC and the new ID is 8428EC

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Thinking about it, it might've changed when you gave me the special build?

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...yeah, derp, that's april 4th.

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i'm so sorry lmao

rough token Apr 16, 2026, 9:35 AM

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id token count updated_at
4FC7DC cc76....e603 16 April 4 2026 09:00:03.785 UTC 
8428EC 610f....f399 45 April 16 2026 09:05:01.455 UTC

Yeah it changed then - the watch token changed. So something considered that a 'new app' although the UUID has never changed. The docs say:

A string that is is guaranteed to be identical for each Pebble device for the same app across different mobile devices. The token is unique to your app and cannot be used to track Pebble devices across applications.

🤔

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If the watch token changes, that's the only unique way to dedupe so I don't know if there's anything I can do.

grim tree Apr 16, 2026, 9:36 AM

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rough token ``` id token count updated_at 4FC7DC cc76....e603 16 April 4 2026 09:00:03.785 U...

"The token is unique to your app" would do it - i bet you a sideloaded app is considered different to the same app from the app store

rough token Apr 16, 2026, 9:36 AM

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That's the logical conclusion, based not on UUID

grim tree Apr 16, 2026, 9:37 AM

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nah, don't worry about it - I just didn't realize that the change correlated to me getting the sideloaded version

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sorry to bother ya'

rough token Apr 16, 2026, 9:41 AM

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No worries, I wasn't aware it could happen but now I am!

verbal sparrow Apr 16, 2026, 4:35 PM

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I swapped from a side loaded version of the app to the AppStore version and I think from rebble to repebble’s App Store version.

My PT2 has two ids, I assume one is related to the data collected by the rebble version of the app, and one for the Core version… should it have stayed the same?

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One is 53737E, the other is EAC854

rough token Apr 16, 2026, 5:15 PM

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It sounds like the system treats that as a similar change 🤔

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sideload != rebble appstore != core appstore

trail veldt Apr 20, 2026, 5:20 AM

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Haunted PT2 update: they've had me set a lot of things to quite low levels and I've had to use the TicToc face as a baseline, but these numbers are finally looking decent!

rough token Apr 20, 2026, 8:23 AM

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That's good! I wonder why your unit is particularly sensitive

trail veldt Apr 20, 2026, 8:24 AM

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I suspect I'm holding it wrong 😅

karmic holly Apr 20, 2026, 11:56 AM

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Is french available? If not, is it easy to add? Like, all is in place to facilitate translators?

rough token Apr 20, 2026, 12:02 PM

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C'est ne pas, je suis desole

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I've actually never tried, not sure how difficult it would be

karmic holly Apr 20, 2026, 12:07 PM

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I don't know either. I guess anyone can download the source and translate for their own use. But it would be complex to keep up to date with future releases.

rough token Apr 20, 2026, 12:36 PM

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It's on my list, so I'll try and look at it soon

rough token Apr 20, 2026, 1:27 PM

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I wonder if I should try and redesign the main and graph pages to use more PebbleOS-isms, like PDC icons and colored background, etc. It would probably have to start scrolling though.

rough token Apr 22, 2026, 8:27 PM

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trail veldt Apr 23, 2026, 5:53 AM

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Possible bug - I just spotted this stray graph plot to the bottom right?

rough token Apr 23, 2026, 7:19 AM

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Nice spot. I guess the last charge just went off the left side?

trail veldt Apr 23, 2026, 7:20 AM

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Ohh yeah that will be it. And as we know my numbers are often erratic. Though, touch wood, looking much better and more consistent lately!

rough token Apr 23, 2026, 6:46 PM

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Always tough learning a new skill...

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Ignore the fact it's clearly a Pixar seagull

karmic holly Apr 23, 2026, 6:48 PM

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It's a bird then a ☁️

drifting terrace Apr 23, 2026, 6:53 PM

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what is a pixar seagull?

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oh

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they don't look like that though

rough token Apr 23, 2026, 6:55 PM

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The lefthand one maybe, not the right hand two 😂

rough token Apr 23, 2026, 8:19 PM

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An extremely lo-fi start on something more PebbleOS-like. Or at least fits more into it. Image the banner is a PDC version perhaps.

snow lava Apr 23, 2026, 9:14 PM

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I honestly like the "dashboard" look. I open muninn only for quick battery checks and it's nice to be able to see everything on one screen

hollow nacelle Apr 23, 2026, 9:20 PM

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I will +1 the current design, but the scrolling makes sense if you have a notion of what information is the most important to someone

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E.g. is “last charged day” really as important as “days left” (surely not). So the scrolling can probably open up different design opportunities for sure

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I’d compromise the functionality for the aesthetic to keep the little diamond banner (even without text) under the bird though. I think it’s distinguishing

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(I don’t want to say new design bad old design good! I just want to iterate as well that old design is good! New design can be good too!)

rough token Apr 23, 2026, 9:31 PM

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There is a lot to say for the current look and feel and personality 👍

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It's just a concept for now - and a bit of a barren one at that

grim tree Apr 23, 2026, 9:38 PM

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i also honestly prefer the current look - I think it manages to do it's own thing very well and doesn't need to be replaced

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although I can understand the problems with clarity

rough token Apr 23, 2026, 10:31 PM

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This is all good feedback, thanks. Perhaps there are some interative steps from the current design I can take

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Perhaps exchanging the thick separating lines for a larger data item area and more words

waxen lodge Apr 24, 2026, 12:09 AM

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i think you could achieve a more "pebble" look without necessarily compromising your information density

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my only real complaint about the current look is the almost total lack of color

grim tree Apr 24, 2026, 12:31 AM

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waxen lodge my only real complaint about the current look is the almost total lack of color

as a p2d owner i cannot relate

waxen lodge Apr 24, 2026, 12:32 AM

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it might be fun to channel the original 3.x settings view for ideas on how to do a tiled dashboard that is "pebble-like":

waxen lodge Apr 24, 2026, 12:32 AM

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grim tree as a p2d owner i cannot relate

once you have your early-preorder Time 2 you'll immediately demand color in every app

grim tree Apr 24, 2026, 12:33 AM

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waxen lodge once you have your early-preorder Time 2 you'll immediately demand color in ever...

well, sounds like Chris has a month or so to figure it out!

magic berry Apr 24, 2026, 1:51 AM

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gotta have shapes and colors

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honestly i will +1 that i like muninn's current dashboard look and feel, and its info density feels tasteful and thought-out in a way not many dashboard apps actually achieve. my only complaint vis-a-vis pebble Style™ is that the down button opening a submenu is not what I expect to happen

rough token Apr 24, 2026, 7:21 AM

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waxen lodge my only real complaint about the current look is the almost total lack of color

You get a splash on the right side, not sure what else could be in color. Maybe the icons could somehow weave the main red color into them. Ravens famously are just black etc too

waxen lodge Apr 24, 2026, 7:30 AM

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agreed keeping the red/black brand colors is important, you presumably don't want it to just end up being green/yellow/red like battery+

rough token Apr 24, 2026, 8:25 AM

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Maybe a blue sky / deep blue night sky...

rough token Apr 24, 2026, 10:17 PM

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Looks like the global stats history list just broke 200 users. PT2 is slowly climbing and PTS is lowering closer to expected values

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Need a few more PT2 users to have a better time

Pebble Time 2
  Items: 23
  Days: min 4 / avg 12 median 10 / max 25 (range 21)
  Avg. Rate: 11%/d
  [4 6 6 6 7 7 8 8 9 10 10 10 11 13 14 14 14 14 17 17 20]

rough token Apr 25, 2026, 2:06 PM

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Removed the 'status' string for more space
More consistent alignment of text and icons
Labels for prev. and next charge
By moving all TextLayers to the LayerUpdateProc, freed enough memory to bring two more icons and the original braid bitmap to Aplite!

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rough token Apr 26, 2026, 5:24 PM

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And now we play the "screenshot ordering game"! 🙌

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I thought about adding Gabbro support today but there's so much WORK to do

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New fonts, new icons, layout values 😖

hollow nacelle Apr 26, 2026, 5:25 PM

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I can't wait for the "think you're done but you accidentally put Basalt into Aplite not noticing the tab changed" part

rough token Apr 26, 2026, 5:25 PM

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I wish I could re-arrange screenshots on the core store

grim tree Apr 26, 2026, 5:29 PM

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https://muninn.chrislewis.me.uk?id=8428EC 81 samples in with the special build and I still haven't gotten it to error

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it's starting to get really really annoying having to close it every 6 hours :p

rough token Apr 26, 2026, 5:33 PM

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Hmm. It's a shame we can't know more about when that happens 😕 Thanks for your patience though.

rough token Apr 26, 2026, 6:17 PM

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Maybe it was a mobile app bug that got fixed. Maybe I'm being too optimistic.

verbal sparrow Apr 26, 2026, 10:45 PM

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Noticed just now that the graph is overlapping the red border on the right of the screen

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This is on the latest version from the rebble AppStore

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The new layout is very clean

fallow hedge Apr 27, 2026, 1:34 AM

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What are the white dots?

magic berry Apr 27, 2026, 1:35 AM

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where the sample was predicted to land, vs where it actually landed (the filled in black dot)

fallow hedge Apr 27, 2026, 1:35 AM

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Gotcha, thanks

rough token Apr 27, 2026, 7:17 AM

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Ooh I wonder why that's happening

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I haven't touched the graph recently

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I see a gap in data near the start, maybe that has an effect

rough token Apr 27, 2026, 1:36 PM

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Astosia, are you willing to try a test PBW?

verbal sparrow Apr 27, 2026, 6:16 PM

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rough token Astosia, are you willing to try a test PBW?

Sure

rough token Apr 27, 2026, 6:24 PM

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Thanks - will try and build one tonight

rough token Apr 27, 2026, 9:33 PM

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@verbal sparrow Here, see if this helps, if you're still seeing it. Basing the x position based on the total time between samples, instead of the accumulated reported time diffs summed up. Subtly different things.

📎 muninn-graph-fix.pbw

grave crane Apr 29, 2026, 2:56 AM

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Count me as well. But my stats are horrible lol

rough token Apr 29, 2026, 6:08 AM

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It's all data, as long as it's not erroneous in the collection!

verbal sparrow Apr 29, 2026, 7:16 AM

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rough token <@444751894267691019> Here, see if this helps, if you're still seeing it. Basin...

This worked, and the graph looks fine again

rough token Apr 29, 2026, 7:20 AM

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Thanks a lot! When I get back from London tonight I'll remember to make a release 👍

late tangle Apr 29, 2026, 12:24 PM

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No way it's the Muninn

rough token Apr 29, 2026, 12:36 PM

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So he tells me 🐦‍⬛

rough token Apr 29, 2026, 7:32 PM

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rough token Apr 30, 2026, 6:20 PM

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Trying to update to Gabbro - pebble-scalable does a lot of work, but I have a couple dozen icons to enlarge or re-source from MDI, and more fonts to load... The scalable library really needs a way to only load fonts it uses and take that worry away from the app 😕

magic berry Apr 30, 2026, 6:22 PM

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oh, i actually have a bit of feedback on scalable library

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i primarily work in watchfaceland, and i like my faces to shrink or squash for unobstructedarea --- pebble-scalable seems like exactly what i want, but it appears to only work based on the raw screen resolution at build time, and there's no way to feed it changing layer bounds, right?

rough token Apr 30, 2026, 6:51 PM

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Correct - I did try adding something like that ages ago but ran out of energy. But it is possible!

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The only problem might be that if not all elements use it, those that don't will just stay the same.

rough token May 2, 2026, 4:19 PM

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Looks like the place the name is taken for the launcher has changed 👍

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So it's not "Muninn - Battery Wi..." anymore

magic berry May 2, 2026, 4:19 PM

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oh good change

grim tree May 2, 2026, 4:20 PM

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rough token Looks like the place the name is taken for the launcher has changed 👍

omg yeah! awesome change!

rough token May 2, 2026, 4:26 PM

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Also don't ask why MIDI player has Tube Status' icon because it's easy to work out

grim tree May 3, 2026, 7:03 AM

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105 samples in and the issue still hasn't reoccured, so I think it's time to switch back to mainline muninn

rough token May 3, 2026, 8:29 AM

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Roger that! 🙏

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I have ideas to revamp the Sync to Phone screen and make it more intuitive

rough token May 3, 2026, 11:08 AM

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Lots to do... 😔

crimson current May 3, 2026, 11:57 AM

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would you be able to fit everything?

rough token May 3, 2026, 11:58 AM

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Oh yes, might even be able to show both items at the bottom, but I need to scale up and pixel-fix theicons, select new fonts, draw new birds etc... And the button hint bar looks comical now too 😅

crimson current May 3, 2026, 11:59 AM

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godspeed 🫡

rough token May 4, 2026, 10:44 AM

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Yes, I can put off that image work at least this long

rough token May 7, 2026, 11:11 AM

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Seems after a recent firmware update my usage is flattening out a bit more 👀

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trail veldt May 7, 2026, 11:40 AM

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Excellent. Yeah mine is lovely and stable these days too - I have been tinkering with different backlight levels but generally things feel consistent and stable at the moment.

rough token May 7, 2026, 11:46 AM

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I wonder if I should make that trend text more useful - say it's on trend or more than 5% out, for example

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I know what it means but where is the value

trail veldt May 7, 2026, 11:47 AM

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I do wonder if it could be better expressed - I'm into this stuff and it's not data I regularly understand or get much from

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Maybe just some natural language vague ones might be even better

rough token May 7, 2026, 1:42 PM

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That was my thinking - does this mean a good this or a bad thing etc.

tranquil mountain May 7, 2026, 1:52 PM

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lol

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Something is ravaging my PT2

fast warren May 7, 2026, 2:05 PM

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I've been test running 4.9.173 and my battery usage has been alright so far, even with HRM and touch enabled (that seems to fix some stuff within NimBLE)

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Granted I don't think I was impacted by whatever bug was attempted to be patched that was causing disconnects and battery drain

tranquil mountain May 7, 2026, 2:26 PM

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I reluctantly (because it requires signing in to the app) filed a bug report

trail veldt May 7, 2026, 2:26 PM

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Which firmware are you on

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And thank you for filing a bug report, it's a good idea overall

tranquil mountain May 7, 2026, 2:27 PM

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So, drain exists for me on 4.9.171 all the way up to 4.9.174, but I accidentally included a coredump of my patched 4.9.174 FW

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but those patches are just "if airplane mode or stationary mode turns on, wipe notification history"

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so I hope it isn't disregarded because I'm using custom FW

trail veldt May 7, 2026, 2:29 PM

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Interesting

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Last time I had battery drain issues they (fairly sensibly) asked me to reset all my backlight settings to default

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But I also noticed that my battery drain issues went away with a recent firmware - I can't remember which now, I'll try and find it

tranquil mountain May 7, 2026, 2:31 PM

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My backlight settings are pretty minimal, motion disabled, tap is on, ambient sensor and dynamic are off, intensity medium

trail veldt May 7, 2026, 2:32 PM

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Ah yeah fair - mine were all set quite high when they asked.

They also had me using only the TicToc watch face for a while which was incredibly annoying but I got it because for them it's such a baseline one to rule out other issues

karmic holly May 7, 2026, 3:13 PM

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tranquil mountain So, drain exists for me on 4.9.171 all the way up to 4.9.174, but I accidentally...

So after the reset and only running Muninn it's still an issue?

tranquil mountain May 7, 2026, 3:46 PM

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karmic holly So after the reset and only running Muninn it's still an issue?

Appears so, I wonder if it's client-side OS or app integration issue. I paired it to my non-GrapheneOS phone and it seemed to not drain much at all from preliminary tests

karmic holly May 7, 2026, 3:47 PM

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What graph Muninn shows?

tranquil mountain May 7, 2026, 3:51 PM

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Not enough data yet

karmic holly May 7, 2026, 4:00 PM

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I think samples are every 6 hours default? Are 4, 8 and 12 available options? Could be useful to monitor more aggressively when tracking a drain then switch to less when everything is fine.

rough token May 7, 2026, 5:22 PM

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This has come up before - loo long between samples and recent changes in consumption get filtered out, and too often and there will be too many similar samples and less data to calculate consumption from. But I could be wrong

karmic holly May 7, 2026, 5:44 PM

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Ok, I was just curious.

rough token May 7, 2026, 5:47 PM

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I may experiment with 4 / 12 as options and some volunteers (inc. myself) can see how that affects things. It might make it better! 🤷‍♂️

karmic holly May 7, 2026, 5:47 PM

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Are you on Reddit CL? I've praised your app and someone replied with a fact I can't verify.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pebble/comments/1t6d646/comment/okhftub/

r/pebble

Clegs11's comment on "A must have app : Muninn - Battery Wisdom

Munnin only measures my watch battery level in the 10s . So if battery+ shows 29% then munnin would measure 20%. Anyone else or just me? On time steel.

rough token May 7, 2026, 5:47 PM

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Sometimes! I'll take a look, thanks

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Thank you for spreading the word! I have replied there.

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My current roadmap:

Finish Gabbro support (lots of image work)
Try really hard to find code space to add Aplite sync/web support
The "4/6/12h experiment"

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Although unfortunately I'm kicking it off with going away for the weekend

karmic holly May 7, 2026, 5:59 PM

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Have a nice weekend! My weekend starts in 1 hour and a half. I don't work on Fridays anymore.

tranquil mountain May 7, 2026, 6:05 PM

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I don't either, but don't tell my manager

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https://isitreadonlyfriday.com/

trail veldt May 8, 2026, 6:05 AM

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I do kinda of love the way the new RGB backlight makes some of the more monochrome apps and watchfaces look

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(slight banding is just the camera refresh rate/rolling shutter and not a screen defect!)

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Including my janky-ass vibecode watch face exhibiting my complete lack of design skillz 😂

rough token May 8, 2026, 8:23 AM

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That's the beauty of Pebble - you can make it do exactly what you need

trail veldt May 8, 2026, 8:30 AM

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Yes!

rough token May 8, 2026, 4:57 PM

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PT2 now the largest model category 👀

hollow nacelle May 8, 2026, 5:29 PM

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I know this isn’t a leaderboard
But the Pebble 2 Duo is winning

Black and white fans thriving

tranquil mountain May 8, 2026, 6:50 PM

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P2D is king, 22 days on mine so far

magic berry May 8, 2026, 6:52 PM

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rough token PT2 now the largest model category 👀

I'm very surprised you have more ptrs than p2s!

tranquil mountain May 8, 2026, 7:37 PM

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starts juking the stats

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Pebble Steel 2 incoming

rough token May 8, 2026, 9:44 PM

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It's impressive!

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P2 is split a few ways
https://github.com/C-D-Lewis/pebble-dev/blob/master/watchapps/muninn/backend/lambda/src/aggregations.ts#L27

tranquil mountain May 9, 2026, 3:31 PM

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I think I'm good now

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PT2 drain seems to be under control

karmic holly May 9, 2026, 4:19 PM

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tranquil mountain PT2 drain seems to be under control

Any clue what was the issue?

tranquil mountain May 9, 2026, 4:21 PM

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No idea really, tried too many things and didn't track em

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shouldn't be babysitting my watch, so decided not to

fast warren May 9, 2026, 6:38 PM

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Mine's reporting 3.7% drain per day average on my setup on 4.9.173, honestly really good

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fallow hedge May 11, 2026, 2:33 PM

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Yea mine also gets around 3-4% per day

rough token May 11, 2026, 7:24 PM

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3.6 squad checking in

rough token May 12, 2026, 11:13 PM

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Aplite sync/web support is within reach! I can do everything in the emulator except scroll down the stats window menu. A few more bytes should do it!

I managed this by simplifying settings in a few ways:

Remove Vibe on Sample (not useful in daily use)
Remove Delete All Data (uninstalling should do the same)
Remove manual upload action & comms code (daily update and upload on opening Settings on mobile still there)

Maybe manually drawing a few more icons will get us there.

rough token May 14, 2026, 4:44 PM

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Anybody here have an Aplite watch they can test a Muninn sync-enabled build with? I have a non-crashing emulator, at last.

void jungle May 14, 2026, 4:50 PM

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i have a pebble steel, currently charging. could probably give that a shot once it's full

rough token May 14, 2026, 4:52 PM

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Thanks - will tidy it up tonight and put a PBW here

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We lost a few more icons though, on that platform. But the long-term value is worth it I think. Plus those items that lost icons are the ones with text description labels 🤷‍♂️

rough token May 14, 2026, 7:34 PM

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Here we go - should support sync of stats to the phone, and after 8 samples allow viewing the stats and using the webapp feature too

cc @void jungle

📎 muninn-aplite-sync.pbw

rough token May 14, 2026, 7:59 PM

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Somehow a PR2 entered the global stats. Own up!

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Now I have to update the backend which was probably almost overdue anyway

rough token May 14, 2026, 8:44 PM

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void jungle May 14, 2026, 9:08 PM

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rough token Here we go - should support sync of stats to the phone, and after 8 samples allo...

Version 1.37 (side loaded with pbw)

Settings does work and shows a dashboard with some stats. I have 16 samples for reference

The All/Last Week/Last Month buttons don't seem to do anything

Zooming does work on the graph sometimes but also can glitch out.

On the watch, clicking Sync to Phone opens the page, but if I try to move in the menu at all, the app crashes

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Sometimes clicking Settings menu in watch also crashes. Not sure what exactly reproduces, but it's not a one-off

rough token May 14, 2026, 9:10 PM

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Thanks! It's the fact there's a very low amount of free memory left that makes it crash. I'll keep working on it!

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And I'm talking a few dozen bytes, probably

void jungle May 14, 2026, 9:10 PM

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It's quite impressive what you've managed to do! No worries!

karmic holly May 15, 2026, 2:13 AM

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rough token Thanks! It's the fact there's a _very_ low amount of free memory left that makes...

What memory it is? Per apps? Like an app cannot use more than x kilobytes? I don't even know about the limits...

toxic condor May 15, 2026, 2:43 AM

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karmic holly What memory it is? Per apps? Like an app cannot use more than x kilobytes? I don...

On aplite (OG) you get 24 kilobytes per app for all your code and heap (working memory). Later watches have a lot more - 64k or 128k.
It's a pretty tight constraint. As CL alluded to you often have to cut features to fit on aplite because you don't have space for all the code.

trail veldt May 15, 2026, 10:11 AM

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Oh wow the new battery diagnostics in the Pebble app look super helpful

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I don't think Muninn is at risk of being Sherlocked! But it is really cool to see

grim tree May 15, 2026, 10:28 AM

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trail veldt Oh wow the new battery diagnostics in the Pebble app look super helpful

holy smokes, this is cool af

trail veldt May 15, 2026, 10:30 AM

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This is version 1.2.0.3 of the Android app. From the release notes it should be on both Android and iOS

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grim tree May 15, 2026, 10:30 AM

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yeah, sorry I couldn't find it because I haven't gotten 1.2.0.3 yet

snow lava May 15, 2026, 10:45 AM

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There's no way this is true

rough token May 15, 2026, 11:12 AM

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trail veldt Oh wow the new battery diagnostics in the Pebble app look super helpful

That breakdown is nice 👍

Although it thinks my HRM interval is less than 10m when it's set to 30m currently 🤔

rough token May 15, 2026, 11:13 AM

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snow lava There's no way this is true

Let us know! I assume the 10% steps cause some inaccuracies but I don't have one to test with

drifting terrace May 15, 2026, 12:31 PM

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trail veldt Oh wow the new battery diagnostics in the Pebble app look super helpful

I'm surprised there's no per app breakdown, the firmware knows how much battery each app uses

late tangle May 15, 2026, 1:51 PM

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Would that work with older watches?

drifting terrace May 15, 2026, 2:03 PM

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yes! this was a part of telemetry sent to pebble technology corp

pallid solstice May 15, 2026, 2:14 PM

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drifting terrace yes! this was a part of telemetry sent to pebble technology corp

uhh actually no not necessarily ig?

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we dont read old watches telemetry

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although we could technically

karmic holly May 15, 2026, 2:28 PM

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pallid solstice although we could *technically*

aka planned obsolescence

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j/k

drifting terrace May 15, 2026, 3:31 PM

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pallid solstice uhh actually no not necessarily ig?

what would stop you from reading it locally anyway

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there are some potential privacy issues with external uses of that data tbf

pallid solstice May 15, 2026, 3:39 PM

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drifting terrace what would stop you from reading it locally anyway

I don't know the exact format of the old telemetry data I guess there's nothing much stopping us we just havent done yet

drifting terrace May 15, 2026, 3:46 PM

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it's a binary format!

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I have looked into it before, I really wish that telemetry would be send to rws since there's a lot of potential in providing very useful info to developers by summarising it well

pallid solstice May 15, 2026, 3:48 PM

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~~the app is open source you can do a pr if you want the feature~~

drifting terrace May 15, 2026, 3:48 PM

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do you think sending telemetry to rebble would be approved considering something as simple as non login use of the rebble appstore wasn't

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I also don't want to sign the cla so it's a no go anyway

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I can fork and build that for myself, but it's useless unless a lot of people use it

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granted, I would just write the feature and leave it hanging around as CC0 hoping somebody is nice enough to push it into the app, but I still have no hope of it ever being approved so I won't subject anyone to that

pallid solstice May 15, 2026, 3:56 PM

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drifting terrace do you think sending telemetry to rebble would be approved considering something...

i mean if its only done when a user is logged into rebble (meaning accepted rebbles TOS) and its only on rebble watches I guess it would be fine

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the remote timeline pins pr is currently only in limbo because the developer didnt reply to steve's "is this ready for review?"

drifting terrace May 15, 2026, 3:59 PM

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well, to be fair, the server component of that isn't ready

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I started a refactor to make the entire thing make a bit more sense

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https://github.com/pebble-dev/rebble-timeline-sync/pull/18

GitHub

Use UserTimeline for all of the timeline events by hellcp · Pull R...

Also handles the pins after subscription has been added or removed
Not tested

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the same developer submitted some code fcm to that repo, but I don't really like how it's done and I think I did it slightly better in my earlier pr

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(by the by, if you want to, you can review that code, I would love to get feedback on that pr)

pallid solstice May 15, 2026, 4:06 PM

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drifting terrace (by the by, if you want to, you can review that code, I would love to get feedba...

ill probably have some time over the weekend <3

drifting terrace May 15, 2026, 4:07 PM

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I left some reviews for myself, which I will address, they are there so that you know I'm aware of some of the issues

rough token May 17, 2026, 8:33 PM

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void jungle It's quite impressive what you've managed to do! No worries!

I shaved a bit more off - can you try this version please?

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Ignore above - this one please! 3.5kB free at build time

📎 muninn-aplite-sync.pbw

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(or anyone else with Aplite who wants to try sync / web stats support! I want to see if it will crash due to running out of memory)

void jungle May 17, 2026, 9:07 PM

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so far so good! not crashing when navigating the send the phone page or settings. will let you know if I run into anything

rough token May 17, 2026, 9:58 PM

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Encouraging! Yes please try it all for some more days and see how it goes

rough token May 18, 2026, 3:46 PM

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snow lava There's no way this is true

Can you share the graph please? I'd like to use it to work on as a test case

rough token May 18, 2026, 5:12 PM

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I also have a version with a tweaked algo you could try?

snow lava May 18, 2026, 6:26 PM

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rough token Can you share the graph please? I'd like to use it to work on as a test case

It ended up going back to normal after a bit, I'm not sure what happened

rough token May 18, 2026, 9:23 PM

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I think I do - you probably have a drop, then a few 'no change' samples, then another drop. Turns out the weighting towards the most recent 4 samples is very sensitive if most or all of them are 'no change'. It was probably that.

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This version has an algo for calculating rate of drain that does what the JS side does - counts all the drops and total time observed instead of using all the individual predictions. With test data, it seems to work well for both 1% and 10% increment battery level changes. I'm quietly optimistic about it if you'd like to try it and see what sort of numbers you get on the main screen?

📎 muninn-new-algo.pbw

rough token May 20, 2026, 6:50 AM

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Seems the global stats numbers are slowly going down 🤔 I will find time soon to find out why but it's a bit of a mystery

verbal sparrow May 21, 2026, 7:35 AM

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The new battery stats view in the app maybe?

rough token May 21, 2026, 7:55 AM

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That might explain the daily increases slowing but not actually number decreasing.

I've identified a bug in the backend that has begun duplicating records because I chose the wrong primary key. Will take some deft DB work to fix so hopefully I get a chunk of time this weekend 🤞

rough token May 21, 2026, 6:47 PM

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Found the issue - the aggregation function was hitting the DynamoDB 1MB per page limit and not paginating. Fixed now 🙌

rough token May 21, 2026, 10:10 PM

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rough token May 22, 2026, 9:09 AM

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Latest PBW can always be found here:
https://github.com/C-D-Lewis/pebble-dev/tree/master/pbw

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Looks like I can't pin messages, but at least some will know now

verbal sparrow May 22, 2026, 10:28 AM

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rough token Latest PBW can always be found here: https://github.com/C-D-Lewis/pebble-dev/tre...

native elbow May 22, 2026, 11:11 AM

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Hello. I installed Muninn on my PT2 when I got it earlier this week (the 18th). It took 1 sample that day, but since then I’ve had 2 messages saying it couldn’t take a sample, and a couple of battery draining notifications (so it’s working) - but under recent samples it still only has that 1 sample from the 18th.

I can’t see anything obvious I’ve turned off, so not sure why it doesn’t seem to be checking?

rough token May 22, 2026, 11:29 AM

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Hmm. What did the messages say? Do you turn the watch off at all?

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Any other apps installed that use wakeups?

native elbow May 22, 2026, 11:36 AM

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“Muninn couldn’t take a sample, but will continue” - and I’ve had the watch turned on all the time. I don’t wear it 24/7, but don’t put it on standby or in aeroplane mode.

Other apps I have are Dribble, Bobby, Checklist, Pebble Fit, Pebble Rail, Timer, Stopwatch and News Headlines.

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(Pretty sure I had all those installed when it took that first reading as well - possibly not Pebble Fit)

rough token May 22, 2026, 1:45 PM

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The message "Muninn missed a sample, but will continue." is shown when the app is launched, but the scheduled wakeup is in the past (i.e: it was missed) - if the watch wasn't off then it might be a bug if the system didn't action the wakeup. If it keeps misbehaving, I'd suggest raising a bug report in the mobile app.

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You can also try sleeping/waking the bird by holding up on the main screen, or re-installing the app entirely from the appstore.

rough token May 22, 2026, 9:53 PM

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Ooh, pebble_black and pebble_white showing up means I have some backend work to do 👀

rough token May 22, 2026, 10:11 PM

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Also big day for Muninn - 100+ global stats contributions today

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I guess people are getting their watches and looking at appstores 🙌

valid peak May 22, 2026, 10:22 PM

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rough token Ooh, `pebble_black` and `pebble_white` showing up means I have some backend work...

Heh, I saw pebble_black a little while. Cool to see them still kicking. I dusted off my old Pebble Steel to have it join the party, but it just struggles to remain connected to my 17-series iPhone so it's just not very enjoyable to use. 🙁

rough token May 22, 2026, 10:33 PM

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They just showed up because the last update enabled experimental support for sync and stats upload for OG (aplite) watches. Hopefully they can start to contribute their data to the average and not crash!

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They should appear as "Pebble (original)" now

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I also made groups with less than 5 members show as 'muted' because the sample size is tiny.

native elbow May 23, 2026, 7:00 AM

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Ok, reinstalled the app and it took a sample yesterday covering 18.00 to 23.59. Success! Then this morning I got the missed a sample message and a battery draining more quickly message - and I’d not worn or touched my watch from about 11.30pm to 7.30 am.

I’ll try wearing my watch to sleep tonight just to see what happens, and then put in a bug report.

rough token May 23, 2026, 8:33 AM

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Thanks - I've also just noticed that draining faster warning doesn't wait for the minimum samples so it's going to probably be too noisy. Will add it to my list to improve.

rough token May 23, 2026, 10:59 AM

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A Reddit comment mentioned someone was recommended Muninn by the Pebble team, which if true is a nice thing to hear 🙂

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Also a quick hacky prototype - combining the graph and log so that the log window and all associated code can be removed to free up even more code space and maybe bring back a couple of Aplite icons. Needs improvement, obviously, but it's an idea.

rough token May 23, 2026, 3:44 PM

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A bit better, may reduce the info density at the bottom. But it's super hot in my room now and I'm tired of wiping the emulator every install (which I know should have a fix soonish). More to come 🤞

rough token May 24, 2026, 10:53 AM

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Option B - reduced data density (and the diffs can be worked out on the graph anyway) - I think it's a lot quicker to understand. Still pending layout refinement.

rough token May 24, 2026, 3:18 PM

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rough token May 25, 2026, 4:21 PM

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WIP change that shows the diff since 24h ago, which will allow people to self-test compare against the estimated drain rate. Given the relatively simple maths I wouldn't expect any surprises but it is information.

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Side note, no idea why one of those screenshots taken with the core app has blue at the top 🤷‍♂️

rough token May 27, 2026, 7:12 PM

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Gabbro MVP - a few small things left to fix

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Don't have a DVT watch to test on this time but I have faith

rough token May 27, 2026, 8:05 PM

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Maybe a less terrible set of button hints

rough token May 27, 2026, 8:54 PM

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Time to rest

balmy meteor May 30, 2026, 1:53 AM

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This will hopefully be a lifesaver for testing my pt1 once I get it lmao

rough token May 30, 2026, 8:04 AM

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I'd be interested in seeing the data. I guess with a battery replacement it should last about 5-7 days

fallow hedge May 30, 2026, 2:09 PM

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That's about what I was getting on my old out of storage pt without a new battery lol

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But more like 5-6 days most weeks

verbal sparrow May 30, 2026, 11:07 PM

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Something about either watch firmware or app update means Muninn is now crashing my PT2. Just made it go to prf! Screen shimmers really quickly for a brief time then watch crashes. Am on iOS TestFlight 1.2.1(6) mobile app and watch is on 4.9.183 firmware. Think Muninn is on 1.41 or 1.42

Will see if I can get some logs in the morning, and have logged a bug in the core app

rough token May 31, 2026, 8:50 AM

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Hmm, ave reported something similar the other day. I'm on 4.9.178 without issue. Interesting how far behind I am though.

verbal sparrow May 31, 2026, 9:24 AM

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Tempting to put the watch back on 178 and see if it’s a firmware change causing it

rough token May 31, 2026, 10:51 AM

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I assume I'm on a different firmware group

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But if it is a fw change, I hope it's quickly remedied

magic berry May 31, 2026, 2:37 PM

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hm, not seeing this on muninn 1.42.0, watch firmware 178

verbal sparrow May 31, 2026, 3:27 PM

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I don't get a crash on either of my other PT2s, which I haven't updated to 4.9.183 from 178 yet.

the watch on 183 refuses to let me downgrade the firmware to 178

fast warren May 31, 2026, 5:20 PM

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Yeah this is a 183 issue

rough token May 31, 2026, 5:29 PM

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Is there a way I can upgrade out of band to try and find the cause? Probably something like compiling my own fw

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But it feels like a regression on Core's side that I shouldn't bandaid, but narrowing it down could help them

verbal sparrow May 31, 2026, 5:31 PM

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you could try sideloading the 183 firmware if that's what you mean?

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I ran pebble logs on my watch while opening Muninn, there was nothing different about the logs, and nothing "crashed" or errored on it

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just got this, which is the same as on the 178 watch. [16:13:41] main_window.c:524> wl 107644B

[16:13:41] pkjs> Muninn:98:27891 [Starting JS tests]
[16:13:41] pkjs> Muninn:98:25138 WARN: Ignoring <1d diff (3 2 21610s)
[16:13:41] pkjs> Muninn:98:25138 WARN: Ignoring <1d diff (5 4 21603s)
[16:13:41] pkjs> Muninn:98:30257 [Completed 10 JS tests]
[16:13:41] pkjs> Muninn:98:46130 PebbleKit JS ready!
[16:13:41] pkjs> Muninn:98:46440 appmessage: {"PUSH_PIN":1,"DAYS_REMAINING":12,"DISCHARGE_RATE":6,"GET_SYNC_INFO":1}
[16:13:41] pkjs> Muninn:98:42979 Inserting pin: {"id":"muninn-prediction","time":"2026-06-12T11:00:00.417Z","layout":{"type":"genericPin","title":"Time to charge!","body":"Muninn predicts you will need to charge soon (Est. 6%/day)","tinyIcon":"system://images/GENERIC_WARNING"}}
[16:13:41] pkjs> Muninn:98:43209 Pin insert returned
[16:13:41] pkjs> Muninn:98:25138 WARN: Ignoring <1d diff (5 4 21600s)
[16:13:41] pkjs> Muninn:98:38552 {"SYNC_TIMESTAMP":1780225200,"SYNC_COUNT":197,"STAT_TOTAL_DAYS":49,"STAT_ALL_TIME_RATE":"9.6","STAT_LAST_WEEK_RATE":"5.8","STAT_BATTERY_LIFE":17,"STAT_MTBC":16,"UPLOAD_ID":"EAC854"}
[16:13:41] comm.c:120> Sync: 1780225200 (197)```

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actually just tried it again, and the logs stop just before that last line. DEBUG:libpebble2.communication:<- AppMessage(command=255, transaction_id=1, data=AppMessageACK())

[18:39:04] pkjs> Muninn:98:42979 Inserting pin: {"id":"muninn-prediction","time":"2026-06-13T11:00:00.579Z","layout":{"type":"genericPin","title":"Time to charge!","body":"Muninn predicts you will need to charge soon (Est. 6%/day)","tinyIcon":"system://images/GENERIC_WARNING"}}
[18:39:04] pkjs> Muninn:98:43209 Pin insert returned
[18:39:04] pkjs> Muninn:98:25138 WARN: Ignoring <1d diff (5 4 21600s)
[18:39:04] pkjs> Muninn:98:38552 {"SYNC_TIMESTAMP":1780225200,"SYNC_COUNT":197,"STAT_TOTAL_DAYS":49,"STAT_ALL_TIME_RATE":"9.6","STAT_LAST_WEEK_RATE":"5.8","STAT_BATTERY_LIFE":17,"STAT_MTBC":16,"UPLOAD_ID":"EAC854"}
Exception in thread PebbleConnection:
Traceback (most recent call last): ```

rough token May 31, 2026, 7:11 PM

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Hmm, that's before crashing?

verbal sparrow May 31, 2026, 7:19 PM

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Yes

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The screen sometimes does that shimmer thing while this is going on. Then it freezes then crashes

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Or it crashes straight away

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Won’t do it a third time or it will reset my watch again.

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rough token May 31, 2026, 8:08 PM

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I've never seen that on a Pebble before 👀

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It loads, begins the animation, then dies

slate mason May 31, 2026, 8:24 PM

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I presume the bug has since been fixed. A couple of months ago, Muninn caused a factory reset on all my watches (Steel, Time, and 2 Duo). So, I stopped running Muninn until the other day.

rough token May 31, 2026, 8:39 PM

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That would be nice, but I've only been seeing reports of this in the last week, and on a firmware that's newer to the one I get served. Maybe that was a separate bug.

slate mason May 31, 2026, 8:41 PM

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My Steel (Aplite) and Time (Basalt) are on old firmware that's not getting updated.

pallid solstice May 31, 2026, 8:54 PM

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Oh my

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This is bad

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I'll investigate

verbal sparrow May 31, 2026, 9:01 PM

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pallid solstice I'll investigate

I logged a bug and hopefully added additional logs

rough token May 31, 2026, 9:02 PM

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pallid solstice I'll investigate

Thanks! I'm curious as to the details 🤓

pallid solstice May 31, 2026, 9:22 PM

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@verbal sparrow would these times roughly align with your muninn crashes?
2 hours ago
4 hours ago (2x)
one day ago

verbal sparrow May 31, 2026, 9:24 PM

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Yes, sounds about right. Video above was 2 hours ago and the sdk logs above are 4 and 6 hours ago. The last successful capture by Muninn was on the 30 May fir this watch according to Chris’ website

pallid solstice May 31, 2026, 9:25 PM

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ok, so
seems like they are stack overflows

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the problem is: those should not crash the entire watch

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some something is going quite wrong

verbal sparrow May 31, 2026, 9:28 PM

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6pm 30 May was the last successful capture.

pallid solstice May 31, 2026, 9:28 PM

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that would make sense according to the crashes

verbal sparrow May 31, 2026, 9:30 PM

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It’s a 183+ firmware issue. Doesn’t happen on my other PT2 connected to the same phone on 178

rough token May 31, 2026, 9:54 PM

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Indeed, a few others and myself on 178 report no crashes

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But nothing is 100% certain. Appreciate the investigation!

pallid solstice May 31, 2026, 9:57 PM

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its also not every watch, my dev board runs muninn and isnt affected

pallid solstice Jun 1, 2026, 12:20 AM

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ok some information
the issue already existed before, it only became more apparent now
it is an edge case
it is not muninns fault

karmic holly Jun 1, 2026, 1:46 AM

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https://klipy.com/gifs/le-ramassis-leramassis-8

Klipy

Le Ramassis Leramassis: Ouf!

▶ Play video

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CL feels like...

rough token Jun 1, 2026, 5:35 AM

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Something like that!

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Also my curiosity grows 👀

fast warren Jun 1, 2026, 6:00 AM

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I am curious if any PT2 DVT watches that are still out there on 183+ are impacted by this

pallid solstice Jun 1, 2026, 6:06 AM

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fast warren I am curious if any PT2 DVT watches that are still out there on 183+ are impacte...

Astosia's is a DVT

fast warren Jun 1, 2026, 6:06 AM

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ah

slate mason Jun 1, 2026, 6:10 AM

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What's DVT?

fast warren Jun 1, 2026, 6:16 AM

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basically a pre-production unit

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most PT2 alpha units are DVT units (Design Validation Testing), you can easily tell if one is a DVT via the lack of engravings on the back and if the unit had barcode stickers on it

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they need their own build target since it's slightly different than the retail PT2 units

slate mason Jun 1, 2026, 6:21 AM

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I see. That's viewable when someone shows the back side and keeps stickers on it.

pallid solstice Jun 1, 2026, 7:52 AM

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we found a fix 🎉

verbal sparrow Jun 1, 2026, 7:52 AM

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Muninn is now working on my watch with a firmware fix from JP

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nice work

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And yes my DVT watch is completely unmarred by engravings

rough token Jun 1, 2026, 10:34 AM

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Hooray! Thank you! What was the cause?

pallid solstice Jun 1, 2026, 11:00 AM

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rough token Jun 1, 2026, 11:42 AM

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'it' being the fw or the app? I just load fonts as far as I'm aware, nothing beyond that

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Seems 183 is now more live, so I'm getting a few more reports. Okay to say it's being fixed soon?

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Ah, it's now available for my watch

valid peak Jun 1, 2026, 11:43 AM

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I was prompted to upgrade to 183. App crashes on that version for me.

pallid solstice Jun 1, 2026, 12:55 PM

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rough token 'it' being the fw or the app? I just load fonts as far as I'm aware, nothing bey...

fw

rough token Jun 1, 2026, 1:20 PM

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Interesting. Maybe it was my use of many system fonts and a custom font that caused it to behave such a way

karmic holly Jun 1, 2026, 2:59 PM

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rough token Interesting. Maybe it was my use of many system fonts and a custom font that cau...

Thanks to your app, an issue was found, an issue that could have been present for longer if it wasn't discovered by your app.

rough token Jun 1, 2026, 3:09 PM

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Indeed, and it's good to have detectives looking for the cause and a fix too rockon

slate mason Jun 1, 2026, 3:48 PM

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13 Days left on 80% charge on a Pebble Time Steel with original battery seems a bit optimistic to me.

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After a long hiatus from having Muninn installed on my Pebble Time, it remembered how long since it last recorded a charge cycle; 131 days. 3.3 Days left appears accurate.

rough token Jun 1, 2026, 4:11 PM

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It should improve as more samples are taken

rough token Jun 1, 2026, 4:12 PM

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slate mason After a long hiatus from having Muninn installed on my Pebble Time, it remembere...

If you get any weirdness after that long gap, I'd recommend reinstalling it to clear the data and start fresh. It should carry on okay though but it's less tested

slate mason Jun 1, 2026, 4:13 PM

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I assume 22 Days left for 91% charge should be due to improvements in the firmware. Plus, I updated my watchface to update the screen once per minute instead of every second.

slate mason Jun 1, 2026, 4:14 PM

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rough token If you get any weirdness after that long gap, I'd recommend reinstalling it to c...

This was a fresh re-install of Muninn.

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I deleted Muninn after it forced a factory reset on all my watches one day. I'm back now.

rough token Jun 1, 2026, 4:15 PM

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As in, used the trashcan delete icon in the Pebble mobile app, then re-installed from the app store?

slate mason Jun 1, 2026, 4:16 PM

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Yup.

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I deleted it several months ago.

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I was too busy at the time to debug the problem.

rough token Jun 1, 2026, 4:20 PM

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Hmm. I just deleted it from my locker and aside from finding a fun visual bug, it forgot everything.

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So yeah, try it again now in case there's locker weirdness or something

slate mason Jun 1, 2026, 4:21 PM

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Okie doke.

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I have Muninn installed on 5 watches using the same phone.

rough token Jun 1, 2026, 4:22 PM

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It was this assumption that allowed me to remove the delete data option and get code space back for Aplite

rough token Jun 1, 2026, 4:23 PM

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slate mason I have Muninn installed on 5 watches using the same phone.

Hmm, definitely not a thoroughly tested use case. The Pebble app will Do Things when changing between many devices but I don't have a clear picture what that is.

slate mason Jun 1, 2026, 4:24 PM

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Well, having only one phone, I'm thoroughly testing this use case. 🤠

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When I delete it from the phone app, it deletes from the currently paired watch, but not the other watches. What do you suggest?

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Should I delete it from in the other watches?

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The currently paired watch is the Pebble Time which showed 131 days since charge.

rough token Jun 1, 2026, 4:31 PM

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IIRC you delete it from the locker. The watches should reflect that

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Travelling ATM

slate mason Jun 1, 2026, 4:35 PM

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I see the other watches don't get the delete message until they re-pair with the phone, as expected.

rough token Jun 1, 2026, 6:59 PM

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rough token Hmm. I just deleted it from my locker and aside from finding a fun visual bug, i...

This '0' display bug has been fixed now. It was a result of a animation first-frame fix. I should declutter that logic some time.

coral meteor Jun 1, 2026, 8:36 PM

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Muninn is currently crashing my watch and forcing a restart. I updated pebbleos last night to 4.9.183, not sure if related

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Anything I can do for a temp fix?

rough token Jun 1, 2026, 8:40 PM

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That fw introduced a problem, but a fix is on the way

rough token Jun 1, 2026, 8:40 PM

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coral meteor Anything I can do for a temp fix?

Apart from rollback the fw, I don't think so, apologies!

coral meteor Jun 1, 2026, 8:40 PM

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No worries! Figured I would ask since a quick search didn't turn anything up

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I'll hold out for a fix, thanks a ton for your work 🫡

rough token Jun 1, 2026, 8:43 PM

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I see fw .185 has a fix according to a reddit comment - I hope it's made available soon

rough token Jun 1, 2026, 8:44 PM

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coral meteor No worries! Figured I would ask since a quick search didn't turn anything up

Thanks for reporting all the same!

verbal sparrow Jun 1, 2026, 8:54 PM

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I have a “dirty” version of 184 running with JP’s fix and it’s been solid all day, so yes I expect once that’s tidied up 185 will fix it

coral meteor Jun 1, 2026, 9:03 PM

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Amazing, very excited lol

rough token Jun 1, 2026, 9:44 PM

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karmic holly Jun 1, 2026, 11:52 PM

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coral meteor No worries! Figured I would ask since a quick search didn't turn anything up

You just had to scroll up a bit... no worry, one on reddit did ask on same issue while there was a post about that if he had read a few topics before asking.

coral meteor Jun 1, 2026, 11:53 PM

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Ah, the discord search bar fails me once again 😅

rough token Jun 2, 2026, 5:05 AM

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It's no big deal 🙂 and it's not guaranteed to land on the right search terms first time either

crimson current Jun 2, 2026, 5:32 AM

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hopefully the new firmware fixes come out soon

warm tiger Jun 2, 2026, 10:27 AM

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Well nevermind i was about to send a video of this exact issue after the update. 🤣

tiny gulch Jun 3, 2026, 3:11 AM

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V4.9.183 broke the Muninn app for me too. I’m using pebble time 2. When I open the app, the entire screen will shake, and the watch freezes and crash/restart

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And the Settings button and phone sync function never worked for me even before that update. The page won’t load

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