AC Mirage Valley of Memory SPOILER THREAD

[tight valve]

All discussion of Valley of Memory's story must go in this thread. It is not necessary to mark content as spoiler, so enter at your own risk!

[steep citrus]

first (technically second)

[lean furnace]

Congratulations.

[weary night]

No way, that's so cool

[empty sable]

ohh they have filters for 2 and unity??

[weary night]

@empty sable yes

[paper dawn]

The prison mission is fire

[steep citrus]

real

[paper dawn]

disappointing ending tbh

good dlc tho

[quasi echo]

That's what I'm saying 💯 💯

The beginning felt a bit rushed, everything else was on point though. Loved the characters and the story

Then again they managed to fit a lot in such a short time. I am grateful they made it free + they were done so fast after announcing it. Thank you Ubisoft ❤️

[dire harness]

Any isu temple

I completed dlc and im exploring hegra

I feel like 1 of those many could lead to an isu temple deeper inside

[quasi echo]

I will also look around tomorrow, just had time for the main story today

[dire harness]

I listen to folktare of hegra

Its only folktale so far where guy directly talks to u

He mentions djinn being summoned nesr 1 of temple and terrorizing it and person hat summoned it

So i could def see hegra having some isu relstions

If ubisoft didnt do it HUGE missed oprotunity

[velvet slate]

Another dlc?

[alpine crown]

I just got to the part with basims dad, why is this lowkey sad

[alpine crown]

Yooo what is that

[zinc mortar]

Where in settings is this?

[alpine crown]

I just looked, screen settings

[dire harness]

I find it more sad that he hopes basim to grow up good meanwhile basim basically becomes loki

[alpine crown]

Yeah...

[dire harness]

I do remember people saying Loki did inherit basims memories of his entire life so i do wonder what are his views on his new dad and family

I remember there was dome digital book that had Loki leading the assasins brfore Valhala and he did good job

So i guess Loki does care for some stuff Basim cared for to some level atleast

[alpine crown]

Unlike odin and eivor

[dire harness]

Yep Odin didnt give sh it about the order or anything new related in "human dominated" word

Assasins order i mean

[alpine crown]

Ye

[dire harness]

Loki/Basim needs 1 more dlc or a game in Constantinopole

Yep wr had Ezio go there but i feel 9th century Constantinpole would be diff then 15th ons

[alpine crown]

Most definitely, its where he meets sigurd if i remember correctly, and its being mentioned here

[dire harness]

Yep way roo many hints to let it go

Abd as someone who got into franchice from ac 1 and ezio triology

Ac mirage is most OG similsr game we had from unity u untill now

Story and mechanics wise

[alpine crown]

Yeah

[dire harness]

Ubi def should milk this

I would rsther play few more dlc of this rather then HEX

[alpine crown]

Im still confused how shadows plays into the story coming off of valhalla and with how valhalla ended I would like to learn more about basim

Whether that means another modern day arc or how he met sigurd leading into valhalla as a dlc

And more about his ties with loki

[dire harness]

I didnr buy shadows yet so have no ides but hesrd from a friend that shadows dont have isu stuff not even in dlc and that it dosent connect really into any game

Aka its suppose to be its own thing

Ngl fine....but still sc mirsge feels way better even if its a smaller game

I hope more dlc to ac mirage

Or AC HEX in 17th cdntury Salem as leakers said it would use the similsr word build to Mirage

Big city smaller villages and medium wilderness

And ofc parkour and stealth over raw power and rpg

Altrough i dont think 17th century german assasins csn tie to anyond frm prrvious games

[hallow bane]

It'd be 17th century Germany, given the clues in the reveal trailer and the codename

But depending on when it'd be set, it'd either the 16th or 17th century, being right after Ezio and Shao Jun, during Shadows, or right after Shadows

[vital python]

is there dyes for the dlc outfits ?

[runic kelp]

The ending though, it makes no sense

Basim left without telling his father about who he is, I get that makes it more emotional but makes no sense at all

[runic kelp]

in a way yes

but also it adds more emotion

[alpine crown]

I wish

[runic kelp]

I would have at least expected him to turn around and just say once I am basim in the end, we don't need to know what happens after that

[alpine crown]

Theres a dlc dye for the regular outfit which i claimed on ubi connect but game wont give me it

[vital python]

the sync one got a dye

[dire harness]

First of all he has forgotten he even has a son and wife he only started remembering when Basim slightly pushed him into remembering stuff thats why he ultinately gave up on the idea

This is my comment from to u from discussion channel convo we had

[runic kelp]

but in the very end it feels like he was better and more conscious

[dire harness]

Yep but u never know

Ever heard of people getting better all of a sudden before they die day after

[runic kelp]

I guess

it was a good ending though

overall the story was pretty good

[dire harness]

Srill wonder if theres isu templenin northe areas

And if eternal wanderer outfit is isu outifit

Or just a trophy fr doing somethinf

[alpine crown]

I have to ask in here for spoilers sake, does anyone know where to find the upgrade blueprints for the new sword and dagger from the dlc

The ones from the valley of memory not the replays

[dire harness]

Completed the entire dlc without findding them so they are deff scattered in plsces u wouldnt look i guess

[alpine crown]

Did u check blacksmiths?

[dire harness]

Not really i mean no point visting them if i dont have the schemstic

[alpine crown]

They sell them sometimes

Them or merchants, was one of the two i forgot

[dire harness]

...did they censor da-mn....

Anyway yep i also forgot didnt play this game in 15 months

[alpine crown]

Yeah i just looked

Both of them are buyable from the traders

[dire harness]

Tell me ifbu everbfind out how we get eternak wanderer outifit

I assume from way ubi adevrtised it its either and isu temple reward or complete hardest game challenges reward

Or both

[alpine crown]

Its in the animus sequence rewards

[dire harness]

Oh damn i guess no isu temples prob in this dlc

[alpine crown]

Apparently not

[dire harness]

Seriously tho my fave psrts of games have alsays veen exploring isu temple as a mission

Ac2 Ezio explored i think
Ac3 Connor explored one to ger Ring of Eden

Ac4 Edward led Roberts to obervatory

Ac Unity had entire dlc of it

Ac syndicate final fight is in temple and theres also a vault in London

Origins had isu outfit in HUGE ISU TEMPLE

odyssey was basicall ISU game

And Valhalla had Excalibur temple,Ygdrassil temple and golden sword temple at Ravensport

[shadow bone]

I hope we get a second DLC focusing on how Basim and Hytham got to meet Sigurd and stuff.
Of course we already know that but I wanna play through that.

[rancid geyser]

Very unlikely but I hope so too

[thin geyser]

I mean This Screams Isu

[shadow bone]

THESE NEW SUITS ARE PEAK!

Who got the new add ons?

Scorpion set and Celestial weapon pack

AMAZING USE OF $20

Worth it

[tight valve]

https://tenor.com/view/assassin's-creed-absolute-cinema-ezio-gif-14516584083822189742

Cried twice 👍

Oh wait

https://tenor.com/view/assassin’s-creed-basim-absolute-cinema-mirage-acmirage-gif-11437168012768236628

That’s better

[primal eagle]

Anyone know what you have to for this Tale, I talked to her then I got a phone call an totally missed what I need to do.

nevermind

[modest kayak]

So when is this DLC meant to be played?

[cursive burrow]

Anyone found any of enigma locations?

also in Northern wilds I cant seem to find the 3rd historical location I searched everywhere, anyone have location of all 3?

[primal eagle]

Just go to the Cartographer guy

[cursive burrow]

Nvm I found all enigma stolen goods

[cursive burrow]

I bought everything but the 3rd one isnt showing up

is it in roman fort by chance?

[primal eagle]

I have no idea, im still just exploring

[cursive burrow]

Its the last thing I have to find to 100% the dlc

I mean I gotta do a few more contracts still but overall its done

found it, right at the roman fort gate idk why it wasnt showing up

[wide flax]

After killing the 4 Order targets before the last one.

[scenic furnace]

anyone know where the third historical site in AlUla is?

[dire harness]

Thr only isu outfit that actually looks like an isu ssasins outfit i always loved em but it seemed weird to m in origins odyseey vahala and mirage Oasis templr that all suits have GLOW PATTERNS,which maks u standouf

This is first isu outfit that i legit think an isu assasin/hitman would wewr in isu times

....btw off topic but i never dissycces this with anyone and this a community

So Eivor in Valhala completes tombs of fallen prevents gold sword from nuking everything qnd keeps it

Its same sword from unity

SOOOOO i ssume Eivor got the sword shortly before he went to helpwith sige of Paris and after he helped he deemed the sword too powerful and deceided to hide it?

[wide flax]

I'm 95% sure it's not Isu.

It's just an Animus mod.

[dire harness]

So assasins made an animus that said let m show u Loki what a real isu assasins outfit should look loke like

[wide flax]

...sure

[rancid geyser]

I wouldn't even call it Isu
The only Isu thing about it is the mask covering his face

[paper dawn]

How do you get the skill points for the new skill?

[void gale]

You have to unlock them by doing animus sequences

[paper dawn]

...

really 😭

[void gale]

Yes 😭

[paper dawn]

The trophy get 23 skills is now 24

i shouldve got it before the dlc

[void gale]

Good luck 😅

[hollow meadow]

Why are there only 2 targets for this dlc? I expected around 4-6 at least

Just curious because i felt this was odd even for a small free dlc

[rancid geyser]

Its better that way
The DLC's story was so good as a result of them not bothering with unnecessary padding

I hope this is a good thing

For future games

[thick gorge]

Op

[thin geyser]

Do i have To Get in ALL Contracts 5 Of 5 For all The Rewards

[wide flax]

You can reset another skill you've unlocked that you don't need and use the refunded points if you want it right away.

[shut gust]

This prison sequence is painful

[wide flax]

VoM has a lot of slow burn

Unfortunately for Basim, he can't scroll Instagram reels in jail.

[woeful cedar]

Anyone wondering why basim didnt tell his father that HE is Basim his son?

[woeful cedar]

fr

[wide flax]

He wouldn't understand. He's too senile.

Or he got a head injury.

He thought he was still in Samarra and that Basim was a kid.

[woeful cedar]

yea but, atleast he remembered basim, But yeah Bcz of the Senile, He is thinking that He left yesterday

[woeful cedar]

yea same thought of mine

[verbal minnow]

How to reach out melody on top of the rock in hegra?

[wide flax]

You can climb onto al-Banat from the south or east

[woeful cedar]

dlc was pretty good

but pretty short too

[wide flax]

pretty free too

[compact ingot]

has anyone else done the To Save A Wedding contract yet? I'm trying to do it on PS4 but the extra contractor request on it to pickpocket the enemies is bugged and I can't pickpocket the enemies that are carrying the items cause the game requires the button prompt to show up to pickpocket but the button prompt literally isn't showing up for me no matter what I do

I've tried reloading a save and closing and reopening the game entirely

I've tried crouching and standing up behind them

I'm tried stunning them with smoke

nothing I seem to do works

[compact ingot]

I can still pickpocket civilians so the prompt still shows up and works in that sense

[wide flax]

I completed it with no issues on Xbox.

Could it be an issue with your skills?

I mean unlocked skills, not skill issue 😆

Abilities

[compact ingot]

I have all the skills unlocked

its literally just that the button prompt for pickpocketing doesn't show up at all and the game requires that prompt to show up

the prompt still shows up on civilians so its just these enemies in this one mission that's not working and I have no idea why and not sure what I can do to fix it

and since this dlc is new there's like no resources online at all

the only skill I don't have is the new one that lets you equip all level 1 tool upgrades but I don't see why that would affect me not being able to pickpocket enemies and wouldn't change anything

I can also still see their pouches on their backs so its also not an issue of their pouches randomly being gone or not being there

its literally just that the button prompt doesn't show up or exist

the only button prompt I get is to assassinate

I even just tried turning off the auto loot after assassinating skill and killing one of them to then loot their body but it still doesn't work and counts against the contractor request

[cursive burrow]

Anyone else able to finish play music for 10 minutes core challenge?

for some reason its stuck at 47 seconds for me

[compact ingot]

I just managed to get it an hour ago

[hollow meadow]

4-5 targets is not "extra padding" and ubisoft described it as a gang then gave us 2 targets.. its misleading.

[hallow bane]

Meh, it's free and I'm satisfied with the dlc

[hollow meadow]

It could be better.

Its somewhat satisfying at the end though

[hallow bane]

Everything could always be better, but for a free update and dlc that adds a new region, small storyline, replayability, and more for a 2 year old game..

I'm satisfied

[compact ingot]

ok apparently I get the prompt for pickpocketing when I try the contract again on a different save file on a new ps4 user smh

[hollow meadow]

I would rather pay for a larger expansion

[leaden harbor]

hi why is the game bugged ? i cant pick up the explosive barrel or the dude for the last part of the quest cant i cant reset to any point where this bug is happening

i need help if anybody got suggestions

[modest kayak]

A lot of people asking why Basim didn’t tell his father he’s his son but the way I interpreted the scene is that the old man knew it was just less painful to maintain the pretense

He pretty much told Basim to live his life

[wide flax]

I'm pretty sure Ishaq was just completely senile.

[primal eagle]

Alright.......im missing all but one of those thing for Hind, have all the Cartographer things and still see nothing......OOF!!!!!

[leaden harbor]

man i cant fix the game and cant progress to the last part 😭 shame

[modest kayak]

My only critique is that Nimlot is kind of a retread of that kid from Origins who wanted to kill Bayek for killing his Dad

[wide flax]

Ended very differently

[modest kayak]

Well yeah Basim is not really the pep talk sort of guy lol

Bayek literally schooled the kid and said hey wanna join the group that plotted to kill your father?

[vital python]

Seems there is no dyes for the dlc outfits ?

[wide flax]

Unfortunately

Mods to the rescue

[tight valve]

Yep! When interacting with a person with dementia, it's often better to just go along with what they say than try to correct them. But the truth is, you'll never know what's right until you're put in that situation, especially with a loved one.

[nimble wharf]

REALLLL

[primal eagle]

Has anyone else had a problem with finishing up Hinds Stolen Good investigation? Keeps saying i have one left to find but the map is clear of any of these.

[hallow bane]

I was able to get all of mine

Check to see if you have any more enigma's in your inventory

[primal eagle]

Have all the Cartographer things to

[harsh echo]

I just finished the story last night and I almost cried I never got to the point like that in a video game in a while

[wide flax]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-me-too-kid-incredibles-gif-19919940

[modest kayak]

I’m hoping Mirage will get more content down the line I’m willing to pay for this level of quality

[wide flax]

It almost certainly won't

[harsh fable]

Bruh

[harsh fable]

Wait so he knew

[harsh fable]

Same bro

[harsh fable]

Do the architect one

[wide flax]

I doubt it.

[harsh fable]

That really pmo

[wide flax]

He had dementia. Basim wasn't gonna get through to him.

[harsh fable]

Ohhhhh

[proud rain]

My interpretation is that Basim respected his father’s wishes of not wanting his son to carry his shame.

[wide flax]

Good thing Basim didn't tell him Nehal killed the guy that exiled him then ig

[coarse roost]

Mirage not working plesae send help

[harsh fable]

Wdym

[runic kelp]

genuinely one of the best story games i've played

[runic kelp]

less of the main story more of the dlc

it was so short yet so effective

I don't think i've enjoyed a story game that much since rdr2

the correlation with the music was spot on too

[wide flax]

Has anyone got an idea where this is? The shot 1/4 second long at 1:41 in the Valley of Memory launch trailer.

I checked Alamut and can't find this exact spot or banner. Note the green plant life in the bottom middle.

The banner is actually an oddly stretched version of this banner model used in Alamut.

There's also this Assassin symbol you can see on a rock in Ikmah Mountain.

[hallow bane]

I don't think it is in AlUla

[wide flax]

Well it's not in Alamut.

[thin geyser]

Finally Got it

[harsh fable]

Howd u get it

[thin geyser]

From The Animus Challenges

[tranquil onyx]

I've finished the DLC, it's pretty short huh

[jagged meadow]

yo, have you found the 21 historical sites?

I just need 1 to finish it

[tranquil onyx]

not yet

[timber basin]

Bit underwhelming all in all

The ending with Basim's dad was nice but otherwise it's a bit meh

[wide flax]

[tranquil onyx]

you prefer something else? or it's the length that's the problem?

[timber basin]

A bit longer and more substance

[tranquil onyx]

to be fair, it is very short

in a nutshell, Basim encounters some robbers while looking for his dad, the end

[timber basin]

Aye and dad is old and dementia ridden

[small musk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8pV3mcHN5M
i had some hunch that Nimlot is hiding something, also the farewell of Basim's Father was a sad one and touching

[primal eagle]

Well at this point in time I think The Hidden Ones were just a story, so when Nimlot mentioned knowing who and what he was, that was dead giveaway he was connected to one of the assassinations from the base game.

[small musk]

yea it was a surprising twist that it was his father all along

he was giving clues that he recently have a loved one die

also Basim being a Norwegian gave me some God Of War Vibe

I mean half norwegian

[wide flax]

Something Northern European

[small musk]

it is really from norway

[wide flax]

Says who?

[vagrant epoch]

i hope we can see basim in constantinople

[harsh echo]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-bro-pc-principal-south-park-s19e8-sponsored-content-gif-20622198

[wide flax]

Won't happen

Already happened in books

[harsh fable]

Whats it called the car

[thin geyser]

The Eternal Wanderer

[small musk]

his father

[wide flax]

He didn't say she was from Norway.

[small musk]

blue eyes

[wide flax]

She just had blue eyes and was from far north

[wide flax]

People not from Norway have blue eyes too.

[small musk]

his mother is a viking

[wide flax]

There's nothing indicating that.

[small musk]

Is'Haq father of Basim, reveals to him His Mother Was a Viking from Norway with blue eyes, making Basim half Viking / NorwegianAssassins

it is already too obvious

[wide flax]

Where are you pulling that from?

[small musk]

it is very obious man why do you think the writers/devs put it there to connect it to the story of valhalla

just like loki/atreus in God of War a Half breed

[wide flax]

Nothing indicates she was Norwegian or a Viking, just that she came from Northern Europe.

[small musk]

dude it is very obvious what they want to indicate

[wide flax]

Not that specific.

It's not "obvious"

She is the lineage from which the Loki gene came from, that is the only obvious thing.

[small musk]

it is fine dude if you believe that she is not norwegian/viking it is up to you

[wide flax]

It's an assumption you're making based on her being Northern European.

[small musk]

nope it is not assumption anymore it is a fact that you don't seem to understand it is already very obvious I don't know why you can't accept that he is norwegian, that is what makes him connected to all the aesir gods descendant

he is arabic/norwegian descent

they put it for the reason that valhalla and mirage are connected

get it?

[wide flax]

His mom may have been from Germany for all we know.

There's certainly no evidence she was a viking, as that was more of a profession.

[small musk]

The mother of Basim ibn Ishaq was a Norse woman brought to the Abbasid Caliphate as a slave, and the wife of Basim's father, Ishaq ibn Khalid.

[wide flax]

She was likely Norse, but not necessarily specifically Norwegian.

All the other Æsir incarnated into Norse bloodlines.

She could've been Swedish, Danish, etc.

She was probably not a viking.

[harsh fable]

Ty

[weary night]

I've beaten the DLC and I want to notice the Prison section
It was really impactful and raw and remembered me so much of Garnier in Acre, I see they are doing more dark stuff, this DLC thematically can be very similar into tone at what Hexe will do

The ending was very touching, I think it's the best personal story they did for a character in AC except for Altair's and Abbas
The thing I don't understand is why they hinted at the assassins and there is no presence of them, but I have to explore the map first, so I don't know

Maybe there is some tomb etc

[vagrant epoch]

And what diference does it make

[timber basin]

Tbf, Nimlot being the real villain was about as subtle as a brick in the face

They introduced him and he's instantly shady as fuck. Nobody else in the DLC gets any actual introduction.

[primal eagle]

I think that was the point, Nimlot wanted vengence but sometimes when that consumes you, your not going to be very subtle about something especially when Basim mentioned the name

[primal eagle]

Because its about Basim and Nimlot, and Dervis we already somewhat knew about hm

[weary night]

Yes, also we have to think that actually the Prison's torturer did a good job of making us forgetting about Nimlot

By the way, also I am so happy for watching some mature themes, like they weren't afraid of showing a bitter world were terrible and sad stuff happen

[primal eagle]

Thats been happening since Origins

[weary night]

Yes, but Origins was like that at the beginning and into Bayek's visions, the rest of the game was very similar to the rest of the franchise stories

[hallow bane]

Not really with Quebec games, but yeah

[hallow bane]

Shadya?

Most of the side quests show a cruel world as well in Origins

[weary night]

Here when I saw and hear guards taking the prisoners or you having to hear killing the guy you were talking to without can't doing nothing, it was crazy and explicit and I thought "Oh so Ubisoft can still do this Far Cry 2-3/AC1 very explicit stuff"

[weary night]

Yes, that's true, but I think that in that case they tried to still be less edgy in portraying the scene visually etc

In this DLC I saw wild stuff, after that I have high expectations on what Hexe could be

And also the Dementia's stuff from his father was handled so well and realistically

I think that this DLC from a story and presentation perspective was at the levels of a Rdr1 quality and tone

Both this DLC and Claws of Awajii stuff like the Boss Fight with the Sniper, are kinda of what Ubisoft it's aiming for as a direction for the future games

And honestly, I am all for it

[hollow meadow]

Well yes but ubisoft implied a slightly bigger story and instead the robbers are as you said just something basim encounters

[timber basin]

This is it really

It was hyped as something substantial. Maybe not a big expansion because free.

[hollow meadow]

Yes but it makes no sense for this type of game. Valley of memories is short but works. CoA and shadows forcing duels and fights goes against the whole premise.. yourna assassin not a warrior.. in valhalla and oddysey you are a warrior

[timber basin]

What we got was travel to alula. Find some robbers. Get temporarily inconvenienced by jail. Go kill Nimlot

[hollow meadow]

The robbers were hyped as substantial and previous dlc even free dlc usually is bigger

I mean the whole nimlot reveal i might have seen coming had i not expected more

[timber basin]

The Nimlot reveal was underwhelming because it was obvious from the first meeting

[hollow meadow]

I didnt really suspect him but thats mostly because it was a 2 minute interaction... i expected a whole network of targets

Or a small network

[timber basin]

Aye I figured he'd be our big bad but there'd be some underlings before the official reveal

[hollow meadow]

I did suspect that guys wife

But no..

She had on that rich womans look so i figured she was more than what she appeared

[weary night]

I was talking about the tone and the type of seriousness of the story by the way

[hollow meadow]

Im aware but i disagree.. the ending scene gave off rdr2 vibes but the rest ? Not so much. I just disagree with the current direction

Mirage and its dlc is fine though

[weary night]

Bruh man have you seen the prison section?

Compare that section with the prison section in the Mirage's main story

Or the with the usual Ubisoft style

That's the level of edgyness and darkness of Black Flag ending and AC1's Acre's Garnier section

And by the way I love how this DLC helps Basim's character arc, without it, it doesn't really makes sense that in the Round City section he is more cynical, with this DLC in mind we can now shift character from the idealistic and maybe even naive/less violent character, to the more ruthless and cynical Basim we are used to see in Valhalla

And now that I will end the game I think I will use a less ghosting approach

We can clearly see the difference between a character like Naoe with a character like Basim
When ||Junjiro told her about his father, she cried and repent of what he did||, while Basim didn't really give a sh.. when Nimlot told him about Al-Ghul, he is very individualist, that's why it's only normal that by the end he join Loki

[wide flax]

Nimlot was a ruthless bandit leader who said he's gonna kill Basim's dad. Junjiro is... not that.

[weary night]

Yes, but Junjiro's father was a d**k too

Naoe's could have just said, like Yasuke would also or Bayek did to Taharqa's after "your father was a bad person"

[timber basin]

Naoe had already grown very fond of Junjiro though. He was just a little kid who probably understood already. Doesn't make it hurt less for him

Anyway Junjiro is 10/10 good boy and every mission for him warms my heart

[weary night]

Yeah, but my point is that Basim and maybe even Bayek would be more like "I don't give a damn about your father little kiddo"

Especially after the DLC events

[timber basin]

Which is good

[weary night]

Yes, it gives a certain character peculiarity

[timber basin]

Nimlot is a grown man. He knew his dad was a bad man. He deserved his fate

[weary night]

Basim should show that inside him is still Loki

[weary night]

In fact when I get the info from the traitor of the bandits, I promised him to free him and I didn't freed him

Because I think that should be a very Loki moment where he understand he should be a tricky guy

[hollow meadow]

The prison sequence is overated.

[wide flax]

Somebody's got no attention span

[weary night]

Lol

I hate when people hates just for the sake of hating, you can see when people criticise a good product just because it's generally appreciated

(Like Origins)

You can see that when there is no substantial crictism, but just "it's overrated", "it's bad" "it's boring"
It's all subjective stuff
It's objective that it was years we didn't see such quality and thinking and seriousness into an Assassin's Creed product like in this DLC and we should only at least appreciate the effort to listen to us and to do their best

[hallow bane]

Quality is super subjective

Valhalla to me is quality, there's a lot there that is extremely good. Mirage's basegame is mediocre outside of the gameplay and world, but both of these are subjective

[weary night]

It depends

[weary night]

We can see that quality can be the level of care while approaching the franchise, and by treating the game as intended originally, so as a mature product with serious themes
I can mention that even a comedic game can be qualitatively superior, an example is Syndicate has a better quality story wise while being comedic, while Shadows is serious, but it has a bad quality in presentation and structure, that affected the tone and the story and confuse what the franchise want to be

Mirage can be a low budget game, but knows what it wants to be

[hallow bane]

This dlc was nothing insane quality wise, it's just emotional. It even misses the mark on assassinating targets by not having memory corridors. It's a 3 hour dlc with 5 missions, with an ending that is quality, but only hits hard because of how relatable it is. To pretend that it's somehow the best thing that's come out of storytelling in the series since whenever is silly to me, but that's also because it's entirely subjective

[weary night]

We just have to point out that Assassin's Creed have never had an insanely high quality in storytelling except for some authorial products by two or three writers

This DLC touched on themes that usually AC always avoided

Like mental illness and explicit torture

At least since AC became mainstream

[hallow bane]

You do you Dinnie

[weary night]

I mean, I just don't agree that this DLC is nothing exceptional

It's not the best story ever written in the franchise, but It can't be due to his size, but I honestly feel that we are as a Community overly-critical with the narrative side, mostly because the AC players actually, with some exceptions that are fortunately very vocal, don't go deep into narrative and into lore or into trying to actually understand every dialogue line.

If we expect every time a Marvel product from AC instead of trying to think at the narrative on more perspectives, we will always receive simpler narratives that fit the expectations, instead of more thoughtful narratives, I understand that this is the era of Tik Tok and generation of people with low attention span, but honestly I think that objectively or subjectively the 70% of the criticism about the narrative are wrong in understanding the real issues of the stories, where most of the times it's just that the stories don't feel realistic or told into a way that I believe something really happened, and this DLC actually achieved the goal of being immersive and make us care.

And we have to understand that it's not that the writers are "bad" when they fail at expressing the narrative, actually mostly it's because the non linear structure or the delivery of the dialogues and direction affects even good pieces of writing, this DLC was linear and worked better
I think that the right feedback should be done about stuff like linearity, lenght, direction and tone that can be seen more objectively
Not about how epic or "boring" or "overrated" a story is, even a more thoughtful narrative can be compelling, that's just subjective.

[hollow meadow]

You are incorrect here. I am not hating on the game. I believe i praised the ending which was really good. I actually found it to be better than shadows ending. I did criticize the length, lack of targets and prison scene. First two are self explanatory but the first part of the prison scene is tedious and seemed overly long/uninteresting

[hollow meadow]

I enjoyed valhalla because of the insane amount of content ubisoft put into it

[weary night]

The First part of the prison section is for me the better

I don't need to do assassiny stuff for all over the game

Sometimes it's just important to watch and listen even if you are constrained in 4 walls

Btw I actually think that the DLC lacks into other stuff, and I mean the historical part

Don't get me wrong, there is enought stuff in there, but the biggest problem is that every location feel empty after doing stuff, for example I was a bit disappointed that the Hegra tombs were not actual explorable tombs like in Origins

I don't pretend to have AC2 type of tombs, but it would have been nice to have more exploration in the DLC

[hollow meadow]

I did not notice because i stopped playing soon after the ending

[weary night]

For what the deal with Saudi Arabia was, it felt a bit constrained, even the inscription part

[weary night]

That's just me, but that stuff is also important

[weary night]

On this I agree, the map is really full of stuff

Valhalla the more you explore, the more you find stuff, while in both Mirage and Shadows, the more you explore, the more realise how empty the map actually is, because the content are focused only in certain parts of the map

Valhalla may be "bloated", but every inch of map has some content

[hollow meadow]

Its varied. Valhalla has more content but each map feels unique. Norway is covered in snow. England is more grassy. Francia feels a bit more populated. If i remember correctly it has bigger cities or a city

[weary night]

I prefer this approach to the seasons in Shadows, I feel like Shadows has especially autumn and winter very lacking

For example Kyoto is awful in winter

It was clearly made for being in spring

[hollow meadow]

I enjoy the rpg style. I liked mirage better even though its no rpg

[weary night]

I am not a fan, but Origins and Valhalla were fine to me

I really enjoy to explore the maps

[hollow meadow]

I liked oddysey best. I love greek mythology.. i only wish atlantis was explorable outside of the simulstion

[tight valve]

@primal grotto Forwarding here as this is our spoiler thread for Valley of Memory

[umbral quiver]

Peak I tell you

[harsh fable]

How uk

He has what u told me

[umbral quiver]

Is'haq still thought he was in Samarra

And he also thought his Basim was back at home

[harsh fable]

Wasnt he still there tho

[umbral quiver]

No, he wasn;t

[harsh fable]

Where?

[harsh fable]

Where was he

[umbral quiver]

He's in AlUla

Is'haq forgot about his exile

[harsh fable]

Oh

[umbral quiver]

And at the end of Valley of Memory, he still thought he was in Samarra taking care of his boy

[harsh fable]

Where did he think i was

[umbral quiver]

Samarra

[harsh fable]

So he wasnt taking care of me

[wide flax]

OMG

Valley of Memory is the name because Basim was searching for the memory of his father, the valley has memories of many past civilizations, and Ishaq has his memory impaired and is stuck thinking its 10 years ago.

Also, I think Ishaq's memory being suppressed/impaired parallels Loki's memories being suppressed at the time in Basim.

God, I love VoM.

[umbral quiver]

I love Mirage in general

[harsh fable]

Can i still visit ishaq

[wide flax]

No

[umbral quiver]

No, he's dead

[wide flax]

Unknown

[umbral quiver]

Right, yeah

[wide flax]

He wandered into the desert to the south (even though he walked toward the sun on the horizon)

[wide flax]

They moved the sun to the south for that and also in the reveal teaser

[harsh fable]

And is bassim a bad guy

[umbral quiver]

No

[wide flax]

[umbral quiver]

Just a guy with an agenda

[wide flax]

He was doing morally questionable stuff in Valhalla

[harsh fable]

Will thre be more things added in ac mirage

[umbral quiver]

There will be a patch update

Not sure if they'll add even more content

[wide flax]

Doubtful

They've called VoM the final update

[harsh fable]

I hope they make a game in persia

[wide flax]

Alamut is in Persia

[harsh fable]

Like a full game

[umbral quiver]

That's what they said of Mirage 2 years ago

[wide flax]

I don't see another Saudi cash infusion coming

[umbral quiver]

Well, obviously

I'm just saying that we'll never know even if it is highly unlikely

Really highly unlikely

1% chance of happening

[harsh fable]

Gow sucks

[wide flax]

@harsh fable what is your pfp btw?

[umbral quiver]

God of War?

[harsh fable]

Yea

[umbral quiver]

Why is that brought up here?

[harsh fable]

My name is fr bassim btw and Ali

[wide flax]

Ah

[harsh fable]

Ali the succeccor of Muhammad

[umbral quiver]

Successor?

[harsh fable]

Im fighting my cousin about it

[harsh fable]

Yes ghadeer khum

[umbral quiver]

In an AC Mirage discussion?

[harsh fable]

Just a remider

[umbral quiver]

Um, alright

[umbral quiver]

"So...you do have a smile"

[wide flax]

https://tenor.com/view/basim-ibn-ishaq-basim-assassin's-creed-mirage-mirage-valley-of-memory-gif-6546533391581429789

[umbral quiver]

I thought 'Abis would be Basim's main antagonist since his name means the one who frowns

But I don't mind being wrong

[fair tartan]

for the millionth time W dlc, the best dlc we ever got in assassins creed

https://tenor.com/view/basim-basim-ibn-ishaq-assassin's-creed-enkidu-ac-gif-4390719817973280111

[hollow meadow]

I would not call it the best dlc but it was one of the more emotional ones.

[wraith mango]

Definitely one of the best

The best would have to go to the hidden ones or Jack the Ripper

[umbral quiver]

It's definitely the best for me

[fair tartan]

W opinion

[wraith mango]

The ending was just so good

[woeful cedar]

yo How is it goin with ac mirage?

[umbral quiver]

I finished the DLC and now, I'm going to finish the last sequence of the game

[karmic flare]

i have to ask what was that ending?

[umbral quiver]

Is'haq has dementia and thinks he is still in Samarra

So, he walks with Basim to see "Samarra's" sunrise before leaving

This is basically the ending of the DLC

[weary night]

Oh i never thought that this was exactly the last scene of the DLC, crazy

Btw I have an interpretation, I think that Ishaq had for one moment understood that that guy was Basim, his son, after watching his smile
In fact for a little moment he is almost turning toward Basim but then he continued toward the sun, maybe cause even if he recognised him, this wouldn't help what he wanted to teach to Basim, so to make him achieve his faith to understand who he really is

[karmic flare]

i got the feeling that was happening but why didnt Basim say he was Basim?

I'm just confused, all that work to find his father to not even tell him anything?

[weary night]

Because when someone has Dementia it doesn't work like that

The person who suffers it will never realize or admit that

And he may get mad at you

Because in his brain it's not like that because it doesn't remember you, even if he talks about yoi

It's strange, but it's sadly like that

[karmic flare]

but then again Basim becomes evil so might not wantt o bring that up

[weary night]

What

It's not that he becomes evil first of all lol

Second, I don't understand your point

[karmic flare]

If wanting to kill random people you think are someone else. EVIL. well I'm also kinda taking the piss because I dont know if Basim is himself or Loki

[wide flax]

He's both

He wanted to kill Eivor because he thought that Eivor had bonded with her memories of Odin, and it would be robbing Odin of his new existence.

[weary night]

And he has always been both

At the end of Mirage he just acknowledged and accepted that

[weary night]

TBF he didn't knew Eivor rejected Odin

[woeful cedar]

bro they are hard af, i cant even finish the jailbreak one due iam expert, but its challenges are so hard, i want that new outfit but i cant

[karmic flare]

Too Bad Basim is PURE EVIL!! He wants his family back.

[primal eagle]

The DLC takes place before Loki becomes a part of Basim, he is still being harassed by what he thinks is a djinn

[primal eagle]

What do you mean?

[woeful cedar]

The sequences challenges are hard, Like the jailbreak Quest, It wants No eagle vision, No Damage, No Health use, And complete everyything in 7:30

[primal eagle]

From the base game?

[woeful cedar]

yes, The animus sequences

[primal eagle]

That one took me awhile but I figured a path

Out

[woeful cedar]

how

Ima watch yt or smth

[primal eagle]

I might have it recorded

Let me check

I do not

[woeful cedar]

alr

[primal eagle]

I can stream on YouTube and show my route if you like

Or that other one

[woeful cedar]

idk, i don want to Make u feel tired

its okay I'll try to figure it out

[primal eagle]

Its not a problem

Give me a minute

[primal eagle]

I'm ready if you are

[woeful cedar]

Alr man

[woeful cedar]

I am Now, Whats ur Yt Channel's name?

[primal eagle]

I sent you a private message

[karmic flare]

Then he becomes evil

[hollow meadow]

What is hard exactly? Im curious

[woeful cedar]

dw its Easy now

[hollow meadow]

What i was asking is, what is the sequence you had issues with?

I am curious.

[umbral quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204711080773943296/1428440848055406592/caption.gif

[hollow meadow]

making basim seem overly evil was a mistake. haytham was bad but they humanized him in a believable way and the same could have been done here

[hallow bane]

He was never presented as outright overly evil, that's a misunderstanding of his character in Valhalla as a whole

He's presented largely as morally grey because his beliefs aren't black and white

[timber basin]

This so much. Solid but simple explanation

[weary night]

People should listen/read to his dialogues with Eivor while they are on horse etc and also the Fulke section is important

[timber basin]

On the dementia thing. Basim going out of his way to contradict his father would have been horrific. Ishaq is old, and clearly advanced in his dementia.

To contradict him would just stress him out, upset and possibly scare him because of the confusion.

I have first hand experience with this. They have their own little world. Parts of life will blend together and make no sense to us, but it's real to them.

[weary night]

Yes, that's why I really appreciated how sensitive they were for this scene, it was really easy to mess up and they didn't fortunately

[timber basin]

Completely. They definitely took some care.

[umbral quiver]

And people have the audacity to say Basim is a bad person for doing this

Basim is not heartless at all

[weary night]

Sometimes people watch games just as games and not as potential pieces of art, that's why Ubisoft for appealing to this people did stuff like Odyssey or the AoT collab in that way

Assassin's Creed should be watched into a different lent imo, this DLC proved that it can work

[hallow bane]

I think if you've ever worked with someone or had a family member with dementia, you know that what Basim did was the right thing

Not only for himself but also for Ishaq

[timber basin]

Haven't seen that but, I'll assume ignorance

I've seen first hand with my own mum. When I go to see her, half the stuff she says is just various parts of her life thrown together. If you try to disagree she gets so upset and it's impossible to calm her down

[weary night]

A hug to you and your mum 🫂

[wide flax]

What I want to know is how did Basim have the knowledge/experience to handle Ishaq's dementia the way he did?

Maybe he read something in the House of Wisdom.

[woeful cedar]

jailbreak

[weary night]

It may be since in that time period and it Middle East, the Medical knowledge was in average more advanced, but I don't think they knew about mental illnesses.

Or just Basim's education helped him understand that he should avoid to force something that wasn't reparable

[umbral quiver]

Yeah, I did have a member of my family who suffered from that, they're gone now

[weary night]

A hug to you as well dude

[hallow bane]

I've also had a couple, so this dlc hit hard unfortunately

[weary night]

I know, but I assume that Islamic religion back in the period of Basim was observed, but often also not followed to the letter, according to the Codex also

So even if Basim has some "vices" he may still moderately a believer, while his Loki side knows the truth

After the ending it's just that he accepted also the knowledge he has, so he has no reason to believe anymore on these common knowledge of his times

[wide flax]

There's not much evidence for either way. There's some glaring absence of him engaging in anything faithful though.

[weary night]

At this point I think it's a choice from Ubisoft of not showing the main character beliefs when it comes to monotheism

Also because by the end everyone becomes more or less atheist

The only ones are Bayek and Naoe for now a

[timber basin]

Think that's because he's an Assassin who goes around killing folks full time 😂

[wide flax]

That doesn't preclude a little hypocritical faith. Billions of people have had that after all.

[timber basin]

Aye. I'm just saying that he probably doesn't have much time for proper religious practice, due to his busy schedule of murder.

[wide flax]

About 6-7 months passed between arriving in Baghdad and returning to Alamut. He also spent like a month away in AlUla. I think he had time for a little prayer.

[umbral quiver]

You know, after I returned to the Harbiyah Bureau in Baghdad after I finished AlUla, Roshan made a comment on Basim's long absence

Granted, this was already in the main game long before Valley of Memory, but it somehow still works

[wide flax]

"You took your time." right?

[umbral quiver]

Yes

[wide flax]

I think next playthrough I'll show up at the bureau in the Sandstorm Warlord fit.

Make it like Basim went straight there after VoM.

[umbral quiver]

Hm, yes

I actually immediately changed after arriving back to Dervis' Fence

To his Master Assassin robes

[wide flax]

I'd RP that Basim picks up the MA robes at the bureau.

[umbral quiver]

So, after AlUla or before?

[wide flax]

After

Even though we get it in the inventory before

[umbral quiver]

They could easily make a game about Basim first arriving in Constantinople before the events of The Golden City

Without Hytham accompanying him

[wide flax]

Doesn't TGC indicate it's also Basim's first time in the city?

[umbral quiver]

From what I've read Basim was giving Hytham a tour of the city as if he's been there before

Although that could also mean that Basim scouted the place before Hytham

[reef owl]

just finished the dlc. why did basim not tell his father about himself?
ignorance is bliss sort of thing?

[wide flax]

Trying to convince people with dementia that reality is drastically different than their perception is often fruitless and just causes unnecessary stress to them.

Basim made the choice that would give Is'haq the most peace in his last days

[umbral quiver]

Ishaq still genuinely believes he is still in Samarra