TF UR Flap

[rustic belfry]

p.s. found by ejay. posting here rn cuz hes sleeping and it was pulled off
shroomless ultra might be possible. attached file is @trim compass's 1 shroom. need to also test other carts if they're better

mfw didnt attach

[teal herald]

got a quick turnaround 1s

[trim compass]

btw the vertical inputs arent optimized after the apex clip. working on it atm

you can get much further back still

[rustic belfry]

i think we focus on shroomless ultra

[teal herald]

yeah i optimized it a bit

[teal herald]

isnt the shroom needed to get out the tractor

[trim compass]

lol the fuck?

[rustic belfry]

no

[teal herald]

i mean, with 2k+ ev probs not because this game sucks ass

[rustic belfry]

shroom only HELPS with getting out and aligning

you can do it shroomless most likely

[teal herald]

got further back + potential turnaround

i dont believe in shroomless ultra #doomermindset

[rustic belfry]

preeetty sure if you set it up different it can happen

[teal herald]

mmmmmm noooooo

i gave it some thought you see and i dont think shroomless is happening

[rustic belfry]

ig the boost helps keep the kart upright so it goes up

but in ejays clip from earlier he just does like bcs or something

i would say get jello on ts but hes doing mg or smth

[sturdy hound]

straight up slower than what i had just sent nice one

[trim compass]

got back a bit more. should be quite optimized now

[fast plume]

tbh if you can't do a clean turnaround with 1 shroom 2 is prob better

[trim compass]

should be better turning clockwise like this

[amber flint]

if you hop on landing you can clip off the grey fence in the picture and get air to go oob. i was originally trying to try and skip the redroom, but its shooting me in the wrong direction, but if anyone has any ideas to make it work then thatd be cool.

[fast plume]

possible idea for landing

with a respawn

[patent swan]

what

holy fuck WITH a respawn? that's so fast

[fast plume]

I have some stuff I gotta do so won't be able to work on it for a while but here's the ghost (idr if this is with driving after landing)

[lilac prism]

[fast plume]

tbh 2 shroom ultra can land without hitting the inner wall so it's quite fast even without doing anything fancy (I never tested the time it would get though)

[patent swan]

wait what other vehicles were tested

[rustic belfry]

only tested whether they can vel stack

[patent swan]

@rustic belfry i remember you testing some earlier

oh

[rustic belfry]

all i can say is classic dragster and daytripper CAN

[fast plume]

could sprinter velocity stack?

[fast plume]

land in conveyor room in dayclip then cut the red rood with a dayclip

[near elk]

WHAT

[sturdy hound]

better turnaround for backup but yeah the skip strat seems better even with a respawn

[upper tangle]

i just wanna say that i contributed so im gonna poorly attempt to optimise the turn after the conveyor 🙂

[patent swan]

do you really need that shroom after redirect

by how much do you not land

[upper tangle]

yay i did something on the turn 🙂

my god awful attempt at the turn out of the factory 🙂

[rustic belfry]

ummmm

i believe that is obsolete

[upper tangle]

yeah...

i just wanted to say that i contributed...

[civic maple]

I might try to improve Police's strat later if it's concluded faster

[rustic belfry]

it is

if you dont respawn

[upper tangle]

is velocity stacking possible w/ wario bike for a potential superslide landing?

[sterile galleon]

19.7 with 2 shroom ultra and a quick turnaround, working on it with the one shroom now

[elder steppe]

I can not believe this is real

[fast plume]

Idk if tiny titan can do wall bang strat but I’ll send a vid of what the ending looks like on wing

I don't have a framedump of just the ending but here

skip to :35

[upper tangle]

this glitch is so confusing lmao

[sterile galleon]

yeah this part is stupid

[whole knot]

avoiding offroad would be ideal i think

or just avoiding the wallhit

[sterile galleon]

will work on that in a bit

i have a sort of turnaround with 1 shroom ultra but it's only moderately faster and it might just be the ending tbh

[sterile galleon]

yeah this farts on everything else

finished out the lap to gauge time and it's an 18.5 with like no optimization

i can get a drift out of the landing i think but i think losing all your speed from the wall hit is pretty much unavoidable

the angle is just too far into the wall

[whole knot]

I tried briefly to see what’s salvageable while hitting the wall and im able to accelerate up to like 60 speed exiting the offroad

I think it’s possible to exit at full speed

[sterile galleon]

i think i just did

[whole knot]

epic

I can’t wait for this to be a 15 second flap and it has the most pathetic lake cut of all time

[sterile galleon]

return to shroom lake cut

[whole knot]

I think its worth testing if you can save a shroom at the ultra to skip the lake

[fast plume]

I feel like all 3 are pretty necessary

Unless you can get a different entry that lets you skip the 2nd

[civic maple]

Whats the fastest time so far?

[sterile galleon]

i have a shitty 17.0

i think we can probably go 15 with enough optimization

[civic maple]

I just got an even shittier 17.168

[teal herald]

yall still trying 1 shroom ultra?

[fast plume]

I’d be happy to try and help with the optimization when I can (not that there’s much actual kart optimization that needs to happen)

[fast plume]

It’s possible but doesn’t give the best line

[sterile galleon]

i think i almost have some kind of shit lake cut

i have a 16.4 with an ok lake

[whole knot]

If you land and hop in a certain way upon landing you can do some weird ev stuff but i doubt it’s useful

[sterile galleon]

yeah i messed around with it and i always eventually just die

[upper tangle]

i dont think you can carry it very far tho. i tried it and didnt get far

[sterile galleon]

it doesn't like the slope it seems

[fast plume]

btw, on the last ramp some karts can basically get a full stick+trick, idk if tiny titan can do it though

[sterile galleon]

yeah it's something i'm trying, i think it's just a skill issue atm but i'm working for a better stick

[compact estuary]

are we having beef with track breakers?

[upper tangle]

could it have this rkg?

[civic maple]

Idk if this will help but just in case it helps. https://youtu.be/u3e0tKjTIpI

[ocean nova]

Woah

[civic maple]

Heres the Ghost File

I will continue working on this later, I have studying to do.

[upper tangle]

my attempt at velocity carrying 😐

[fast plume]

you reach the bumps slower than mikul does while also being way below base speed, I feel like there's no way that can be made to work

[upper tangle]

yeah. i just thought i wwould share it just in case

[agile wigeon]

Ejay will be impressed when he wakes up

holy shit

[civic maple]

Indeed

[sterile galleon]

16.360, lake cut is likely quite improvable but i'm sending before i accidentally overwrite this ghost

[sturdy hound]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-vulture-gif-8910827

[civic maple]

Good job Mikul!!

[upper tangle]

im 0.4 ahead, but it again doesnt matter bc im backwards. not sure if this will ever work but im proud of the attempt 🙂

[elder steppe]

16.354

[sturdy hound]

352 (i just wanted to beat mikul and tactical)

[rustic belfry]

pov you are an area code of central florida

[whole knot]

I thinnk i have something interesting

i cant hear anything!!!

[daring sequoia]

When are one of you going to figure out that 5,000 ev is better than 2,500 ev and just like bounce on more walls to go directly to fin

[whole knot]

vanilla

[elder steppe]

334 (didn't use corvid's input)

326

[sterile galleon]

these guys are using a great experience for all of us to beef over milliseconds bro

look at my mkw tas community 💔

[elder steppe]

corvid and I are competing rn

[teal herald]

are there 5 people streaming their optimising trying to save an ms

[elder steppe]

for bkt inputs

[sterile galleon]

no

some of us are actually trying to improve earlier improvable parts of the run

corvid and tactical are just beefing over ms

[rustic belfry]

4

[teal herald]

oh right i forgot you don't qualify as a 'person'

[rustic belfry]

get th is guy out of my thread

[sturdy hound]

313

[eternal juniper]

a

[upper tangle]

a

[civic maple]

a

[eternal juniper]

omg justin made reverse lake cut faster

[rustic belfry]

at 168 from justin

[upper tangle]

we need rkg

[whole knot]

new landing strat after red room skip 16.168 very unoptimized

[civic maple]

Could we have a video if possible?

[eternal juniper]

join vc

[civic maple]

In time my friend, in time

[whole knot]

15.620 still very improvable probably gl

[valid isle]

What if we simply do this

[civic maple]

Probably really hard to pull off

[daring sequoia]

I've been trying and I don't even know how these people managed to get as tight as they already did

[eternal juniper]

15.568 dont like the landing

[fast lava]

15 second lap on toad's factory

i can't believe this is happening

[sturdy hound]

544

[elder steppe]

for momentum hop strat

[green marlin]

who has inputs

what is happening

[rustic belfry]

on kierio's current ghost

[green marlin]

i don't even know what the fucking lap looks like cause discord won't play anything hang on

[patent swan]

oh youre in for a treat

[rustic belfry]

mikul, you, me, paul, police, justin, tactical, kierio

for laaaater. sets up for the pseudo hwg but barely misses

[green marlin]

what ghost do i download

[sterile galleon]

police just got a big improvement

wait for that

[rustic belfry]

yeah

or tacticals maybe idk if it works

[eternal juniper]

police got a .3 off of the old lake cut so we might be able to get .2

[rustic belfry]

from polices ghost let me describe

[sterile galleon]

@whole knot did you use my ghost when going for the new lake strat, i think i improved the backwards hop in it before going for lake again

[fast plume]

.365 doesn't use justin's new lake cut (I forgor)

[soft wedge]

Wait what new lake strat

Is that the ev momentum hops

[sterile galleon]

go backwards lol

[whole knot]

Yeah i did i actually saved a couple of frames before the red room skip

i just didnt mention it

[rustic belfry]

mikul: start to pseudo hwg clip (until landing)
ejay: pseudo hwg to before landing in conveyer loop section
kawe: midway through 2nd ev building (when ev reaches 1000) to before landing in conveyer loop section
paul: launch from ev building to before landing in conveyer loop section
police: "apex clip" to end
justin: "apex clip" to end (?)

i think

[sterile galleon]

ok cool i just wasn't sure if i still had inputs in that area

[elder steppe]

@eternal juniper

[eternal juniper]

this is is a confirmed improvement over the 365 ^ using justin's lake cut

just need to recreate police's landing on the bulldozer

pov: tactical
ghost: police

[green marlin]

Hi all, the thread will now be changed to Invite Only.

List of exempted persons:
- ltx87
- wificonnection1

edit: i'm joking

[rustic belfry]

fair

[teal herald]

(who is currently invited)

[eternal juniper]

i am going to record police's ending so we can know what to match

[green marlin]

ok thanks

[eternal juniper]

police's 365 ending:

[hazy leaf]

this is nuts

[eternal juniper]

police got 458 again, hopefully we should catch up and surpass 365 soon

[green marlin]

bruh i just replaced my rksys

[civic maple]

Wow i cant believe the strat has gone this far

[granite pawn]

Would it be faster to do the low on the last ramp where you do a left drift and get really low air

[zinc moat]

I think that's the plan but there's a lot of optimizing left before that

[teal herald]

icl im still confused on the thread being invite only, who's invited and how do you make it private

[green marlin]

that was a joke

[soft wedge]

Can I be allowed to contribute when I get home

[soft wedge]

Ok nvm

[hollow aspen]

can y'all like pause for 24hr so I can have an input or two

[soft wedge]

^

[teal herald]

mods smite ejay

[eternal juniper]

this is real collab energy

[fast plume]

.363 uses better lake cut

still needs optimizing

[green marlin]

is this an improvement

update: had like 20 less EV at the bump air so i think this isn't useful

[fast plume]

depends if you can get similar air to the ghost

.297

IDK WHAT THE RAMP WAS BUT i GUESS IT WAS OK

oops caps lock

[green marlin]

Rule 3

[eternal juniper]

i love how the i is lowercase

[fast plume]

.228

i'LL LET OTHERS TAKE IT FROM HERE FOR NOW

oops

[eternal juniper]

LOL

how does this keep happening

[green marlin]

Rule 3

Violation 2

[sterile galleon]

jesus christ

[fast plume]

idk how my caps lock always turns on while tasing

[sterile galleon]

CAN WE GO 14????????

[green marlin]

@fast plume how important is it to get an mt out before final ramp

[fast plume]

not needed, just got it since I was in a drift going into the ramp

[rough scroll]

can i jump on credits or not allowed? 🤓

[rustic belfry]

.

[teal herald]

No (219)

how tf do you optimize this shit man

im just spamming random inputs praying

[eternal juniper]

thats what optimising is like

[green marlin]

i have an improvement at the tractor landing

[teal herald]

nah but this is Really just spamming random shit and hoping

the further you get in the flap the less random crap you spam and hope works

[green marlin]

TF UR Flap - Improvement at first bulldozer landing carried to ramp, bad ramp QM

[green marlin]

improved again

improved again, with good ramp qm this will be .1

i'm done trying for now need to eat breakfast

[green marlin]

Anyone having a go?

[daring sequoia]

are we surely sure going straight to the kcp region isn't possible

[sterile galleon]

Do you think no one’s tried or something

[daring sequoia]

Ejay didn't think no one has tried to stack ev on TF before finding a setup
Just seems like everyone moved on to optimizing the stuff after straightaway

idk

[green marlin]

if it's possible then it can be used in a later rendition of the flap

[agile wigeon]

this already looks sick enough for the showcase video

[sterile galleon]

and so he did it himself lol other people have tried

[zinc moat]

maybe but it's also possible that dragster is better. this is just the first iteration I think

[eternal juniper]

Yeah we just wanna optimise what we’ve found so far

[sterile galleon]

i will probably put another hour or so into this later and see if i can get anything promising

i didn't have much luck with the lake cut landing

[green marlin]

[fast plume]

I meant their ghost, not the strat

[soft wedge]

wait wtf i didnt know we velocity stacked twice

[sterile galleon]

the first one is just to get to the real spot

the fence clip thing is the only known way to get fully out of bounds shroomless (at least on kart)

[soft wedge]

is this good ramp qm

[green marlin]

the last good ramp I've personally seen was in this ghost #1449800424323547342 message

I don't know if Foss's ghost here (#1449800424323547342 message) gets an even better one, i didn't look at it

you should compare Police's ghost with Foss's ghost

[soft wedge]

i have a .208 rn with it

i dont really want to compare ghosts

[green marlin]

well send it anyway then

[soft wedge]

im still working on it

ill try to get a .1 but i want to eat soon

[zinc moat]

@fast plume hurry up and get the full kart stick

[soft wedge]

.200

[tender isle]

will work on it today i think

[green marlin]

I'd like to have the flap finished asap, so all hands on deck!

(Obviously if there's a major timesave that's found then we won't rush)

[agile wigeon]

surely sub 15 guys

[green marlin]

i think i have the music for the run

it's copyrighted, which is fine for me money-wise, but i'm wondering if it'll put ads in the middle of the run?

[agile wigeon]

as long as it doesn't get taken down like DC

[green marlin]

no way to predict that unfortunately

[sturdy hound]

193 sorry for being useless

[green marlin]

how is that useless

7ms good

[zinc moat]

my goat

[soft wedge]

very cool

[rustic belfry]

im surprised you chose Hardware Store by Weird Al Yankovic

also just upload a random clip of some game with the music playing unlisted and see what happens

[green marlin]

i love hardware store dude

[rustic belfry]

[green marlin]

i can rap the fast verse

[rustic belfry]

i can do the entire thing

[green marlin]

yeah already did, no ads

promising

[rustic belfry]

its 4:53 in the morning but its because i actually went to sleep at a normal time for once

[rustic belfry]

cool

[green marlin]

but maybe yt puts ads only once it gets views idk

[rustic belfry]

is the copyright to stop ads

like some big brain move to halt capitalism

[green marlin]

from whose side, the record label?

or youtube's?

[rustic belfry]

like the copyright claim on your video stopping ads from appearing on it

[green marlin]

i think the label just gets the revenue from it

[rustic belfry]

yes

[green marlin]

idk if it stops ads

it wouldn't get revenue if there weren't ads

[rustic belfry]

yeah why would youtube not play ads

why did that get uploaded

[green marlin]

is that you

[rustic belfry]

it appears to be drake

anyways how optimized do you want the run before you upload it

[green marlin]

i'm not super fussed

it's already objectively pretty good

[soft wedge]

It’s good because I got inputs in

You can upload it now

[green marlin]

should i include name display or is it too busy

[rustic belfry]

lets go over who has inputs

mikul, ejay, kawe, paul, police, justin, ejay, kierio, tactical, lirwm, corvid

[green marlin]

also input display is another thing to consider - i'm thinking of only putting it for the 2nd half of the video (explanation section)

[soft wedge]

That’s a good idea

[green marlin]

i really don't know tbh

same with EV speedo?

[soft wedge]

And no name display but say in the explanation who did the stuff

[rustic belfry]

kierio/tactical i think from police using their ghost, and possibly others depending on whose ghost ejay used

[green marlin]

i downloaded police's 228

i was finishing up my improvement in vc when foss sent his file

[rustic belfry]

did you use foss's ghost then or

[green marlin]

no

sorry foss

[rustic belfry]

ok so my input list should be correct i believe

[green marlin]

paul?

[rustic belfry]

yes him too

how could i forget the first message in this thread

[green marlin]

paul used foss's ghost here?

[teal herald]

no don’t count that

[green marlin]

but police might not have used paul's

[teal herald]

that strat was completely overridden

[green marlin]

when he found the backwards hop

alright

ty

[teal herald]

anyway we’re not done yet are we?

talking about uploading a lil soon

[green marlin]

nah i wanna give this another 24 hours at least

[green marlin]

@rustic belfry what are your opinions on this

[rustic belfry]

i'm fine with anything

[zinc moat]

I think that that's good

[green marlin]

i kind of like the idea of minimal overlays in the first video because it forces people to watch the vehicle

and it'll just blow their socks off

[zinc moat]

yeah I was gonna say more focus on the actual run

[rustic belfry]

i think he did, he said he changed inputs starting at apex clip

[zinc moat]

bc the strats are more important than the optimisation, so contributions are better described

[green marlin]

i will put XZ speedo cause that's important

[rustic belfry]

so its whether @trim compass made inputs right when ejection happens (between ejecting and "apex clip")

[green marlin]

unless someone thinks XYZ is superior

[rustic belfry]

XYZ holds a solid 120 during lake cut

[green marlin]

pros of XYZ:
it will look more impressive that the vehicle is at 120 for the entire airtime

cons of XZ:
people think we're slow (when in reality we're just allocating some speed for falling)

[green marlin]

wait why are we talking about the inputs at the EV ejection now

ok i'm sure you guys will work it out

[rustic belfry]

i mean like

actually no doesnt matter

i should be asking police if he used pauls ghost in general

[green marlin]

yeah lol i was confused why you pinged paul

[rustic belfry]

but knowing where paul started changing inputs helps too ig

i forgot cuz i fell asleep a little after you left vc

im like 90% sure he did anyways

cuz its linked in thread

[teal herald]

this just sounds like deceiving the viewer

not that the viewer would notice in anyway

[green marlin]

personally i'd rather use XZ because i always do

[teal herald]

yeah, xz is better imo

who prefers xyz? isn't it a small minority

[green marlin]

DEI speedometer

[rustic belfry]

why not both

I of DEI (inclusion)

anyways do wtv you wanna

[trim compass]

from frame 7228, comparing the inputs it seems like police worked off the 1 shroom ghost but he did the rest post apex clip. I didnt share a ghost with the shroom timing he used

its literally just a couple vertical inputs from me idk if you even wanna count that

[teal herald]

slight improvement before ramp but i've gtg for a bit. might be qm locked though

[tender isle]

vs corvid ghost, used foss ghost and improved it

[green marlin]

Was Foss's ghost faster than mine at the boost panel?

[tender isle]

which ghost i don't see one that u sent

[green marlin]

Oh wait

Nvm LOL

[green marlin]

I literally did not see this somehow

[tender isle]

oh ok lol

[green marlin]

I was thinking about Foss's earlier RKG from 12 hours ago

sorry

[tender isle]

np

[green marlin]

Getting late here...

Great work!

[tender isle]

ty !

[green marlin]

That's strange, I wonder why the ghost catches up

[tender isle]

i think it's bc it's not totally synced, it's like 2 ms slower and more to the right

[teal herald]

for the future, there should be nothing stopping a different vehicle from doing this right

[civic maple]

Im going to see if I can imrove a bit

[sterile galleon]

i wish we understood what it was that influenced EV gain with this form of velocity stacking

i'm sure there are differences between this case and rDKM but still i cannot find anything in common between the two vehicle choices

or any pattern between vehicles previously used on rDKM for that matter

after the ultra shortcut is posted officially i will get 13 seconds with baby booster

[teal herald]

can’t you debug this with kinoko?

[sterile galleon]

i am fairly certain at this point given the requirement of road and the need for the bottom of the vehicle to be aligned with said road that it is some sort of suspension abuse that causes rapid EV gain but i cannot even find patterns between suspension and slack among vehicles that have been used on rDKM

[teal herald]

can rdkm only be performed with standard bike m btw?

[sterile galleon]

i don't know how it would be helpful beyond confirming it is suspension that does it

[sterile galleon]

no i don't know the exact vehicle list but it has also been done with standard bike S and mach bike and could likely be done to varying levels of success with quite a few others

standard bike M is currently the best known vehicle for it

i cannot tell if that is because of stats or hitbox or a combination of the two

[teal herald]

i’m pointing out the obvious here but the moving tractor probably caused us to gain insane ev by juggling us around rapidly in the floor

[teal herald]

wouldn’t it tell us how and where the ev is coming from exactly

[sterile galleon]

not beyond a very general confirmation i don't think

if we still can't obtain vehicle patterns with that information we are still doomed to bruteforcing vehicles

[sterile galleon]

watch how the wheels act during velocity stacking

[teal herald]

how would you even test vehicle patterns? sorry if i’m being extremely dense rn

[sterile galleon]

they get mashed upwards into the vehicle body very dramatically, this is the case for both TF and rDKM (though sometimes with rDKM the opposite happens, depending on how you land)

[sterile galleon]

you just try it and see if you get more EV than you did before or if it's trash

hopefully as more vehicles are tested you get closer to a pattern but there's not really a guarantee at the moment

[teal herald]

yeah but qm and inputs would render any data gathered useless, no?

[sterile galleon]

no

[teal herald]

this isn’t like blounards testing where he gives himself ev on a flat track on the same coordinates

[sterile galleon]

as long as you reach the proper EV limit and are decently sure it can't go higher with a difference in technique

the EV limit is directly correlated with the rate of EV gain

you do need to take care to make sure your technique is actually optimal but it's not like we need an estimate rounded to 1, even something to the nearest 50 would be fine

i will say i'm not hopeful we will ever find a pattern because i tried the same thing with reject road velocity stacking and got fucking nowhere besides confirming that wario bike is the best

but it would be cool if i was wrong

[teal herald]

couldn’t we just make a script to teleport us to (x, y, z) with (pitch, rotation, yaw etc) to test

shouldn’t in theory be the most precise and quickest no?

[sterile galleon]

no because hitboxes are almost certainly a factor

those differences will not track on every vehicle and if we have to change it to account for that it's not any more helpful than just trying it out properly

i think rDKM will almost certainly give more consistent results but it is also the more annoying one to test to begin with because you can't simply moonjump out of bounds and start doing it for free

[eternal juniper]

You can decide whether there are mid roll ads you know right?

Oh wait if you’re using a copyrighted song that changes things

Hmm

[eternal juniper]

Tactical never used my ghost iirc I shouldn’t have inputs

I’ll double check though

[sterile galleon]

oh yeah for the sake of documentation if you're adding red room skip to the strat sheet that's police / police + justin

before i forget

[rustic belfry]

i thought it was the one tactical sent that you modified

ig not?

[elder steppe]

Pretty sure I didn’t

[eternal juniper]

Yeah just looked back at logs I was remembering right

Tactical Justin police are lake cut authors

[rustic belfry]

mikul, ejay, kawe, paul, police, justin, tactical, lirwm, corvid, foss, alego

updated list

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[patent swan]

wait what are we uploading it already

[teal herald]

ejay said he wants to give it anothyer day or smth

[fast plume]

this isn't exactly trying to be the most optimized version of the tas

[trim compass]

176, ending is completely rushed. I tried something a little different post lake cut so that might be a lot more improvable

[eternal juniper]

It’s an ultra release not an actual flap project

So everything has been on fast forward

If it were a flap project we would have been testing combos and seeing if we can redirect even further than just the conveyor section

[green marlin]

We have been testing that

[eternal juniper]

Well I mean we wouldn’t have been actually working on the run already

Yeah that stuff has still been happening

[green marlin]

No character audio in recording?

Baby daisy does have an annoying voice

[rustic belfry]

make it 3x louder

[sterile galleon]

i prefer keeping vanilla sound effects tbh

[daring sequoia]

If you want the recording to sound lifeless and uninteresting you can mute character sounds

[rustic belfry]

p.s. not actually sure at all whether dragster is better at ev building

[lofty wyvern]

Replace her voice lines with funky Kong voice lines.

[rustic belfry]

that has to be tested later by people who actually can find out

[teal herald]

no sound effects other than baby daisy screams

[green marlin]

It's going to have background music lol

[rustic belfry]

WAIT

make the volume dynamic based on EV as a percentage

2000 EV = 2000% character volume

[green marlin]

Corvid kind of got me on the no character audio train

[daring sequoia]

Can we please reserve memes for april fools TASes

[near elk]

If I Complete An Ultra Shortcut, The Video Ends

[green marlin]

I'm convinced it's better

[rustic belfry]

its all up to you lwk

[green marlin]

Ultimately audio dumping is quick so I can do two takes and see what I like more

[daring sequoia]

If there were more TASers like corvid I would go out of my way to become good at TASing so I could put the character sounds back in

[sterile galleon]

if you plan on putting game audio anywhere else i think at least keeping the vanilla sound effects for the run at the start would be nice

[daring sequoia]

but since I'm not Ima leave the convo because I don't have 'good at TASing' chatting rights

[green marlin]

wdym by put game audio elsewhere

[soft wedge]

anyway i got a .172

[eternal juniper]

No way discord added a double tap to react feature

I know what I’m setting my default reaction to

[sterile galleon]

i thought your plan was to play the full run at the start and then do other stuff in the video

[green marlin]

yeah, I don't understand your message though

are you saying, if you had to choose between one of those halves having game audio, you'd rather the first half?

in which case I would too

[sterile galleon]

no i was saying if you intend to play game audio anywhere after the full run is over i wouldn't really care if the voice was muted then

[green marlin]

ah

[teal herald]

170

[eternal juniper]

[teal herald]

trynna not feel left out.

[civic maple]

I tried to 🔥 foss' ghost, but I can't😢

[amber flint]

does he have you blocked

[civic maple]

Probably

[rustic belfry]

he does

[teal herald]

for my own good nothing personal aidan

[civic maple]

I get it

I'm not gonna start fossing about it

But back to TF Ultra, good job on the timesave

[green marlin]

@sturdy hound within the next day could you send a HD photo of the turnaround path at the finish line

on the pycore checkpoint draw thing

[sturdy hound]

this is the best quality picture i can get with the script. maybe ask monster to use his own script for something higher quality

[green marlin]

Sick, that's pretty decent

[green marlin]

alright, final call everyone

I'll be recording whichever rkg is fastest when I wake up tomorrow morning

so if you want to improve the ending then you have about 12 hours

[sterile galleon]

That’s fine

After you upload this i’ll upload my rMC3 ultra shortcut i’ve been hoarding since april fools so that it can be the final ultra

[teal herald]

169

[civic maple]

.🔥

[rustic belfry]

you chatters have like less than 2 hours i think

actually more like 2 and a half i checked and yeah.

[soft wedge]

ejay is online rn

[rustic belfry]

true

[trim compass]

https://tenor.com/view/all-roads-lead-to-rome-time-rabbit-gif-9497165517404307883

[rustic belfry]

9.5 hours is about 12 when you think about it

[green marlin]

https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/68f10e3830760aaae7d070f5/The-White-Rabbit-from-Alice-in-Wonderland--a-digital-painting-by-Luz-Tapia/0x0.jpg?format=jpg&crop=1179,786,x0,y385,safe&width=960

FUCK

[rustic belfry]

dude got beat at his own game

yeah lets save 2ms so the newgens will scream 67 upon seeing the lap time

that one kid in task 21 chat

[sturdy hound]

idt there's any reason to optimize this further when a different vehicle could be faster, the shroom during the setup can likely be saved, and maybe the redirection can skip the conveyor room entirely

[trim compass]

[sturdy hound]

plenty of work to do for 2nd revision. looking forward to the upload i hope it's soon

[green marlin]

milliseconds I am ok with uploading:

170
168
=<166

[eternal juniper]

i love how this is precisely 1 second faster than the old rmr flap

[trim compass]

GV l1 is .670 and I'm scared

[fervent crow]

i managed to improve it by 0.5f, but it doesn't float and slip drift is impossible.
Is this usable?

[rustic belfry]

probably not if slipdrift doesnt work

unless you're magical

[trim compass]

you might be able to make it work

I didnt get it either sometimes

[fervent crow]

I'm sorry, but I have to go out now, so I'll leave you the ghost data.

[green marlin]

I did some video editing but I don't like it

I spent like 30 seconds talking about ultra history, longcuts, and TF and rMC3

I think I'm going to chuck all that stuff in the description and skip straight to explanation

[eternal juniper]

You should just limit it to explaining what happens in the run yeah

[green marlin]

If someone saves 1 more millisecond I'll use that rkg to record

You have an hour and a bit

[trim compass]

You should start when Fujisaro Yamauchi founded Nintendo in 1889

[teal herald]

tried for a bit and couldnt save much more

also are you just going to use the 170 instead if nothing more can be saved because of '69'

[green marlin]

not sure - maybe I'm being pedantic but meme digits usually give something free to comment about, which takes away from the run

but simultaneously might help the video gain traction...?

[eternal juniper]

dont overthink it it's just the time of the run lol

[green marlin]

you're right

[eternal juniper]

that being said my 1:11.111 mg 200cc tas did get tons of comments about the time, but thats to be expected

[teal herald]

if someone genuinely comments 'lol haha 69' then just take the free comment. should be good for the algorithm!

they've also gotta be no older than about 13 so their opinions are irrelevant

[green marlin]

Imma send the fire music I used before switching to tf music

[ocean nova]

So are you recording the final run now I presume?

[green marlin]

yes

[rustic belfry]

unfortunately i have never done optimization at a bkt level and can't contribute

i tried a little and no thx

[ocean nova]

I think you contributed enough 🔥🔥

[green marlin]

an old graphic i ditched

[green marlin]

this is now the final ghost - do not bother sending any more improvements to this run!

[civic maple]

Well good job to everyone who worked on this, especially you Ejay.🍄 🏭

[green marlin]

Can you send an updated "who worked on what section" thing please

[rustic belfry]

i'd need to ask many of them

[teal herald]

pretty sure i have inputs from the landing of the lake cut (at the earliest)

[soft wedge]

i think im similar

i have input from around here to the end

[teal herald]

same ^

[rustic belfry]

i need to go check if i remade the 2nd velocity stack or just took it from 1500

[green marlin]

the setup looked like mine from first glance

[civic maple]

I had originally found the velocity keeping, before I think Justin found the lake cut, but I don't think that counts in any way.

[rustic belfry]

it is

[sterile galleon]

Never say never

[green marlin]

i love dealing in absolutes

[rustic belfry]

mikul: start of the race to the shroomless oob entry (until landing behind bulldozer) [Frames 0-2612], then red room skip [Frames 7667-7805]
ejay: the oob entry to the landing on the conveyer section [Frames 2583-7667], then first bulldozer landing to end [7943-end]
kawe: around when EV reached 1500 on the 2nd velocity stack to the landing on the conveyer section [Frame ~6500-7667]
paul: a little after ejecting to landing i stated already [Frames 7228-7667], then backwards bump thing to end [7867-end]
police: right after "apex clip" to end [Frames ~7400-end]
justin: a little after the launch to first boost panel [Frames 7253-7982]
tactical: bumps to landing over lake [Frames 7867-7943]
corvid: boost panel to end [Frames 7982-end]
foss: hop after landing of the bulldozer to end [Frames 7961-end]
lirwm: same as foss
alego: landing from lake cut to end [Frames 7943-end]

[zinc moat]

be careful to split into positive and negative case for the integral

[rustic belfry]

im only 100% sure about mikul/myself

cuz i watched mikul's portion in call in its entirety

so you should probably ask the rest if its correct

[rustic belfry]

(unless mikul made an improvement i missed)

[sterile galleon]

I have inputs/reference for red room skip as well (justin said he used my ghost after i improved it)

[teal herald]

bro did NOT read what me or lirwm said

[rustic belfry]

no i did not

theres too much text can you just actually say what it is

[teal herald]

its like 5 messages up man.

i could tell you the answer but it's better this way, you'll learn valuable life lessons

[zinc moat]

[rustic belfry]

whatever british dude that loses to me in tas comp

[zinc moat]

i dont think there's going to be a name display so qualitative descriptions are probably fine

unless something changed

[rustic belfry]

well

my message is correct anyways

landing of lake cut

[green marlin]

there is for the 2nd half

[zinc moat]

i see

[rustic belfry]

i kinda rushed the end of the list cuz i had to go get smth let me check alego at least

and corvid

@sturdy hound can you tell us where you started making inputs on the latest ghost (backwards lake cut)

europeans are sleeping!!

[rustic belfry]

@elder steppe your inputs for the god_lake ghost are just over the lake right

or any before

im checking the ghosts manually rn for anything im unsure of

[whole knot]

@rustic belfry i improved the lap entrance by changing inputs after the ejection

[rustic belfry]

thanks

[green marlin]

I won't get around to the name display for a while so dw

[rustic belfry]

im checking justins ghost rn actually

[whole knot]

I don’t think i have any inputs at the very end

[rustic belfry]

i went and checked its like

around where paul started making changes to the end of the lake cut

at least from the 16.168, the other one im not 100% sure but i'll look

assuming its just the landing as well but you optimized the rest more

since you kinda had the route i'd count it?

[whole knot]

I would say end my name when the run touches the first boost panel

[rustic belfry]

aye aye

i'll see what tactical says then we should be good

[elder steppe]

They do have inputs before lake iirc

[rustic belfry]

how much before

any specific spot

[elder steppe]

from like 3 bumps before the bump used for the lake

[rustic belfry]

like when you first touch them?

[elder steppe]

like when I first cross that area

[rustic belfry]

so like here?

[elder steppe]

yeah

[rustic belfry]

ok those inputs should be fairly accurate (except for maybe mikul/police)

[rustic belfry]

anyone else, verify these

[green marlin]

I might do debug panel + input display in a separate unlisted video

So the explanation part will have:

name display
visible collision szs
XZ Speedo
EV Speedo

[green marlin]

they just take up too much space

And I need space to put text to write

[sterile galleon]

Name display might be too big for this use case but i ended up integrating the debug panel font into the pycore framedump info display and that worked well enough for showing the things i wanted to show

Maybe depends on how much info you need

Actually i suppose if you’re doing no input display you can fit both just fine

If you have pycore and you’re interested just lmk and i can send over the updated scripts + font info

[green marlin]

Is there a video of this

[sterile galleon]

It’s used in the rDKJP flap

It’s configurable like with the typical pycore infodisplay stuff

I’m not gonna be home for a couple more hours unfortunately but i can send it over when i get back if you’d like

[green marlin]

I think I had issues with PyCore framedumps

When making LC?

I can't remember exactly what

[sterile galleon]

Hmmm

[green marlin]

not being home for a couple hours is a bit rough though

[sterile galleon]

I’ve never had issues with it so idk what kinds of issues are common with it

[green marlin]

Either way I did get it working so it must have been ok in the end

[sterile galleon]

Up to you, i’ll try to get my pc set back up asap as soon as i get home, on the way home for the holidays

[green marlin]

hm now I'm wondering whether leaving out input display is smart or not

do casuals enjoy it

[soft wedge]

i personally dont think its necessary

[sterile galleon]

No idea, i like it personally but if i absolutely had to i’d be okay with removing it

[green marlin]

I've noticed input display when slowed down heavily desyncs constantly

which was a big pain to fix in LC

[soft wedge]

i think if you do include it, dont have the numbers under it

[sterile galleon]

Input display as in the pycore one or the standalone recorder?

[green marlin]

stand-alone program

[rustic belfry]

i think its worth mentioning nobody seems to care about 69 anymore

given 67 is 2ms away

[sterile galleon]

Oh yeah it may have issues

[green marlin]

I'll omit it

[sterile galleon]

I still use the standalone recorder, i’ve been considering switching to the pycore one and just ditching the numbers underneath

[soft wedge]

yeah i find the numbers bad

[green marlin]

I'll just say on screen that an alternate encode with checkpoint information and input display will be linked in the description

Those who are interested can easily see it, and those who aren't interested don't have to

[sterile galleon]

Fair enough

[green marlin]

Luckily the checkpoint shenanigans aren't confusing for this glitch

[sterile galleon]

This conversation reminds me that i have to make a minor fix to the infodisplay

[green marlin]

the audience can understand "start the lap and cut off as much of the track as possible"

[sterile galleon]

It just records the entire IV vector and just displays the magnitude if you display IV

Didn’t notice that until after i published rDKJP and it bugs the shit out of me now

[rustic belfry]

(up to a certain point [last kcp])

[obsidian crescent]

you guys break my brain, keep up the good work

[trim compass]

I already added IV as an option a while back btw

[fervent crow]

168

[zinc moat]

TRUEEE

[fast lava]

don't save 1ms pls

[lilac prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593431130989133834/1444737933251842295/conejo.gif

[elder steppe]

@fervent crow

[sterile galleon]

i updated scripts and it still simply takes the magnitude of the IV vector, that's the same issue i was referring to

i'm modifying the framedump and infodisplay to record the engine speed scalar instead

negative IV is an important detail for me to display

also for some reason these values were inaccessible in the infodisplay despite being recorded already, not sure why that was exactly

[trim compass]

ah yeah sorry the newest version is on my fork not on blounard's since he didnt want to update his

https://github.com/Blounard/mkw-scripts/commit/b0f1540360f412634acf53f3258869c4451157c2
see this commit

[sterile galleon]

I see thanks

[trim compass]

probably makes sense to remove IV XYZ then

[trim compass]

my guess is that it wasn't implemented originally cuz the config would get pretty cluttered (it already is tbf). I can update it with everything later

[sterile galleon]

Yeah, i can DM you my changes and you can add them if you want, i didn't actually know this repository existed so i haven't been working off version control or anything (whoops) but mainly i added the debug panel font and the stuff from that screenshot

(and hwg timer lol i needed that at the time)

[trim compass]

aight, there weren't too many changes apart from that tho, just 2 bug fixes

[sterile galleon]

fuck i forgot to back up my config_util when i updated scripts 💀

god damn it

i'll figure that out later

[green marlin]

Video is going well

[soft wedge]

ETA?

[green marlin]

Depends how late I stay up tonight to edit (I'm out rn)

[fervent crow]

I didn't notice that announcement.
I'm sorry.

[rustic belfry]

we're gonna improve it after the vid to be fully optimized so

[rustic belfry]

#1449800424323547342 message if it ends up being the fastest

[soft wedge]

@green marlin shroomless bypass to the seam with mini beast

[ocean nova]

Nice dude how did u get glitchy corner I thought the wheels were too far apart

[soft wedge]

i drove into a corner right before the conveyor turn

getting glitchy corner is pretty easy

[ocean nova]

Oh lol

[green marlin]

Great, thanks

[green marlin]

mini beast, gets to 2nd velocity stacking spot

[teal herald]

are we going to test with all other vehicles

or just ones with more potential that mini beast speed wise

[fast plume]

we still need to test if we can do anything with this much more EV before looking for even better EV builders

[daring sequoia]

At least like 7 ultras have come from "just get more ev", so it seems reasonable to try and get more ev and figure out what to do with it later

[fast plume]

we already have the ultra

[sterile galleon]

I am also in the camp that we should figure out if it’s even worth it

You can’t simply start falling faster without assistance from a downward wall (that does not exist) so after a point more EV will be detrimental

[green marlin]

the best EV will be the amount that lets us reach the hopping spot while nosediving the entire time, right?

[fast plume]

yeah probably

[soft wedge]

Would blue falcon have less ev decay because it only has 3 wheels

On the ground

[green marlin]

I tested it yesterday, wasn't good

[soft wedge]

How hard was it to get in the position to get the 8000 ev

Are you able to set it up in the second spot for testing

I wanna mess around with it when I get home

[green marlin]

The ghost I sent already kind of enters a stable stacking spot

It gets to like 4500

But then drives off the wall

But you could use it as a reference for getting the purely stable one

[soft wedge]

ok cool

[green marlin]

I can't really answer cause like, it just happened

[sterile galleon]

I do not think it’s a count i think it’s a proportion

It makes no sense for karts to be capable of losing EV up to twice as fast simply for having more wheels

[zinc moat]

blounard did graph these somewhere

#tas-focused message i think the convo starts here

[native lodge]

Wow

[velvet sandal]

Mario plane Wii

[magic wolf]

Is this usable for something like MH?

[elder steppe]

You can’t do this kind of velocity stacking on mh

[magic wolf]

Thanks

[ocean nova]

That’s a cool way of doing it

[patent swan]

oh nice you can do it this way too

wait would it be faster if you manage to get a tighter angle like flap

probably not considering hop shortcut though

[rustic belfry]

well you hit with top of cart

[green marlin]

I messed around with doing the ultra like this a few days ago

I was able to land further along the track than Tactical, closer to the end of the platforms, but that was all

It was slow

[soft wedge]

@ ejay or kawe you should totally get 9000 ev again

[green marlin]

i'll leave it for someone else

i already got a setup for somebody to work off of

[zinc moat]

"the proof is left as an exercise for the reader"

[native lodge]

"necessity is the mother of invention"

[eternal juniper]

obby tas:

[green marlin]

I was unable to get in the high EV state with minibeast while facing the correct direction for the ultra

[soft wedge]

Revival?

This is like the coolest strat in the game and it has kinda died

[civic maple]

All hyped things must come to an end

[green marlin]

Too hard

[rustic belfry]

def way easier than the hypothetical strat for rpg

do we still need to find which vehicle gets the most ev and best apex clip thing and whatever

[green marlin]

we need to get the concerto 9000 EV thing facing the other direction

[rustic belfry]

mini beast?

[green marlin]

ye

[rustic belfry]

there might be a max ev which makes some karts pointless

do you know bow much ev sprinter can get

either we always run out of ev before finish line (need decent speed plus some handling maybe) or we dont (full handling)