rBC NG Flap

[warm stream]

started working on this a few days ago. i improved the lap entry + first shroom mainly and i'm close to saving enough time to resync the shortcut with the 3lap.

comparison with the 3lap, i have run into the issue of thwomps being in the way and havne't been successful delaying the ghost due to awful bridge qm to avoid the pacelock.

going around the thwomp is slower, 0.5ms is also needed to resync

[primal nexus]

Just like in Excel, you can easily shift the cycle by delaying all inputs.

[warm stream]

i tried, but i got bad bridge qm and couldn't get around it

[cosmic quest]

You might need to test different frames

qm changes each frame

[warm stream]

i tried a lot of different frames, anywhere from delaying it from 5-20 and could never quite get around it

[left igloo]

your y position changes slightly during the ssmt, you might have to delay more like 50 or 100 frames

is flame for sure faster for flap

[warm stream]

wdym? i changed the ssmt slightly for a better lap entry and stuff if thats what you mean

[warm stream]

probably?

[atomic salmon]

it would probably still be worth testing both, since mach would lose less over flame runner due to the 2 shrooms

[warm stream]

triple mt too, might start working on it at some point because im annoyed by the flame runner

[left igloo]

wait so

[left igloo]

when you say you delayed the lap entry did you not just add ssmt frames

the ssmt doesn't preserve position exactly, your y position oscillates slightly which can affect qm down the line

[warm stream]

i don’t think i did say i delayed the lap entry, i only said i improved it

i improved it by entering in at a better time compared to the current flap, that’s why i’m like 0.2ms behind the flap in the first vid

oh nevermind i’m being a rock, i did only add ssmt frames when trying to delay the lap count

i didn’t know that it needed like 50-100 frames to resync or something, that saves me trouble

[left igloo]

the oscillations are almost periodic at iirc every 50 frames

may be worth trying a few frames around 50

[left igloo]

usually you don't need a specific number but if the track is all a bunch of qm

[warm stream]

i’ll try a 50f delay later, ty for the info

[warm stream]

i'm skill issueing hard, nudges during the ssmt are screwing up this whole oscillating thing and i've tried a ton between 20-70 frames delayed

[left igloo]

oh then probably you just weren't completely still during the ssmt

that's too bad

[warm stream]

[flat juniper]

You can't be completely still in a SSMT

The number always fluctuates a tiny amount

[warm stream]

yeah i figured, if the oscillating cycle is ~50 frames, does anyone know how it changes when you add nudges

i seemed to have synced it perfectly when i last tested but it still desynced at the bridge. it was also 8 microseconds behind the regular ghost in agc

[left igloo]

i think usually you only try to delay flap entries with extra ssmt frames if your bike is already still side-to-side

otherwise you prob have to redo it

[left igloo]

probably a very very very miniscule desync that compounds over time 🙁

[frail lily]

you can change flap timing for sure. you're as still as can be in the ssmt, the issue is just the flap entry movement is awkward so you'll never fully sync. same inputs prob won't work again, but you can add ±1 turns or 1 f brakes after lap begins, or vertical inputs while dropping from rail, to adjust angle and position

you should also consider the geyser cycle ahead of time

are you sure you can't wheelie slightly earlier after the entry mt those 100 u/f frames lose a lot

[warm stream]

trial and error for a bit but a mix of bad qm + angle made me give up trying

although since i would need another ~0.45ms to sync the shortcut i might have to revisit that

[warm stream]

synced it after agony because tasing with csv is genuinely miserable but the shortcut now doesn't sync even though i'm only 10 microseconds behind 🫠

[warm stream]

getting close to syncing w/ lap 3 for the shortcut, i only need <0.2ms. pretty sure optimal boost distribution at the start doesn't matter because it would be qm locked anyway

[warm stream]

got the timesave and (almost synced) the shortcut but i got some qm troubles towards the end. might try resync the shortcut with a different lap

[warm stream]

i can't seem to fully sync this shortcut. i think i have too much forward position compared to the 3lap. losing anymore than 0.05ms on the bridge doesnt give me the quick hop. i would appreciate some help if anyone's interested

-2988 is to sync with lap 2, -33 for lap 3 when using agc on the 3lap

[tepid pebble]

I got a decent cut. 0.1ms slower than L3 in the 3lap.

[warm stream]

yoo nice

shouldn't matter because of the qm on the flip ramp hopefully

[warm stream]

0.4ms better shortcut, i'll work on the next shroom tmr

[warm stream]

having troubles with the last rail. will finish this tomorrow because i'll be busy the rest of the day

[warm stream]

run isn't done but i'd also think it be a good idea to backtrack. i'm ~3.5ms ahead of the 3lap going into the spiral but lost that time because i wanted to sync it

not sure if that time is carriable because of qm on the ramp

[tepid pebble]

https://imgur.com/a/WtdyXJB

if you want this i can send it but you'd have to backtrack and try and beat the bridge qm i think to save enough time

[warm stream]

wouldnt we need to save 13 more ms over the 3lap to sync another frame

problem is you can't backtrack that much because it'll mess up the bridge + 2nd shroom qm

[tepid pebble]

idk depends on wtv ur ghost is

if its on the frame we still need 11ms+ so probably not doable

and i meant backtrack past the 2nd shroom

[warm stream]

yeah but there's still not much room to work with

i also cannot get this last rail for the life of me, i either go too high off it or too slow off it, this was my best attempt after over an hour

although that being said, after the spiral we're only 13ms ahead of the flap, before that we're basically exactly 1 frame. might be worth trying to sync with the flap for the spiral instead

[tepid pebble]

then you just have to stick with syncing the 3lap

its a qm lock on the ramp

[warm stream]

is that last rail trick qm locked aswell though cause i think the 3 lap has a better rail

[tepid pebble]

idk but i remember it being precise

it shouldnt be an issue if you're using agc though

[warm stream]

i think i'm just skill issuing it, i'll take a look at the flap and 3laps last rail and then see if i should sync or not from the spiral

[warm stream]

wait aren't you already 3ms+ ahead in this

if you are send it please, saves me time resycning the spiral from the flap later

[tepid pebble]

5ms ahead of this

at the end of spiral

should be this

[warm stream]

ty

[frail lily]

resynced ending with l3. the last trick is qm locked

[warm stream]

ah nice ty! i sorta forgot about this, what did you resync it with? the current flap got a good low trick while being 3ms ahead of the 3lap but loses a lot of time on the last trailing

[frail lily]

i slowed down at the spiral and used the 3lap. the flip trick is fine but the trick after always gives too much height unless you slow down a little. last turn loses 0.5 ms compared to 3lap, but it needs ~1 ms for 594 so i didn't bother

also i think someone floated the idea of testing mach for flap. i don't see how it gains any time, the flap shroomspots don't help mach at all nor give extra mts. i'm sure flame is better for flap as well

[warm stream]

the 2nd and 3rd shroomspot would help mach, no? and since it's a flap you don't end up losing as much time on the end of the laps from the straightaway

l1 for the mach and flame runner 3lap was almost equal iirc

[frail lily]

idk what you mean at the end. the 2nd shroom on the grass u-turn (same as 3lap) does favor mach. 1st shroom at the first turn should be about equal for more bikes, arguably a bit worse on mach due to higher drift + lower speed. 3rd shroom at the other grass turn also should be about equal for both bikes, flame doesn't struggle on that turn in 3lap

[frail lily]

no mach was like 50 ms behind after l1 already

[warm stream]

oh tf nvm then

i might make a mach tas just for fun anyway because i've been bored tasing lately and need smth to do but like you said it won't be faster

[frail lily]

you can try to save the ms here as well but yeah i think this is done personally

[warm stream]

yeah this run is done, couldnt save anything meaningful, even if it was a perfect sync it wouldn't do much

authors would be:

aoiro
alego
corvid
ego
foss
monster
nokky
jack

right?

[frail lily]

why the japanese authors?

[warm stream]

i referenced their inputs and setup at the start i guess

just tweaked it a bit

i might give this one final go and resync their flap spiral because they get the low trick 3ms ahead. unless i misunderstood, you synced it with the 3lap only

[frail lily]

got a good last trick about 3-4 ms ahead. i don't remember how to do the last turn at all

[warm stream]

i'll figure it out when i get home unless someone else does it before me

[frail lily]

592

[warm stream]

woah wtf 54f of airtime on the last trick?? not even the 3lap got that

[warm stream]

been playing with this for a bit and i can almost get 53f of airtime off this ramp (this is the wrong ghost nvm)

probably only need ~1 more unit on the y axis for it

[warm stream]

also, would it be worth to make a wario tas on this because of his extra mt

[magic grove]

can this be pasted onto the 3lap

[warm stream]

i see no logical reason why not, but qm might not allow for it, 3ms was bled on the rail prior to the trick

3ms we don't have to work with for the 3lap

[magic grove]

gotcha

[warm stream]

will be worth to revisit later though in a few years whenever another tas is amde

[frail lily]

no too slow

[frail lily]

idk if you need to gain those 3 ms to get the lower trick

i had lower y vel driving off the rail for some reason. that ends up affecting the height of the trick. makes no sense to me what controls it

[atomic salmon]

Wario flame runner is exactly the same speed as Daisy mach but with less drift and mt so it’s completely useless

[frail lily]

he would gain 2-3 f over mach by getting lower tricks, so he's not completely useless for every situation. way too slow for rbc either way

[tepid pebble]

theres way too much straight time

[atomic salmon]

Ah yeah right

[warm stream]

middle ground of rosalina then 🔥🔥

[atomic salmon]

If rosalina is better than funky then wario is likely better than rosalina because the speed mt tradeoff

And if Wario is better than funky then Daisy is likely better than funky because Daisy and Wario are the same speed

This applies to flame runner / mach bike and spear / sneakster btw

[frail lily]

can you send the correct ghost? i want to try to get this done before the year ends

[warm stream]

oh yeah i forgot about that i’ll do that in a sec

if 53f of airtime isn’t possible then that ghost i sent by mistake is the best but still needs 0.6ms

[warm stream]

close enough to in a sec. like i said, i think this would only need another 1-2 units to get 53f of airtime but the qm is so finnicky i couldn't get it

[frail lily]

wasn't able to get a 53 f trick

[warm stream]

shame. think the run is done then

[warm stream]

best 592 atm

[frail lily]

haven't managed to improve that 592

[warm stream]

runs done then, authors is everyone on the 3lap + ego

do the old flap authors get authorship? i took their start and edited the mt slightly and didn’t do anything else with their run

[magic grove]

Yes

[warm stream]

comprehensive list of authors then would be alego, aoiro, corvid, ego, foss, jack, monster, and nokky (i think)

pretty sure marth only had input on l1 start and l2 trick of the 3lap so he wouldn’t have inputs

[atomic salmon]

You might have to ask them who had input on the beginning because it’s not necessarily just all 3

[warm stream]

the start of their flap has aoiro and nokky. monster didn’t do anything until the first turn in the castle, where i stop referencing their run.

idk if corvid synced the ending rails with their flap a bit but if he did then monster got authorship

[frail lily]

no i just looked at what the 3lap did

[warm stream]

will record and upload this at some point in 2026. pc recently died so i need to fix that

[magic grove]

you should submit the ticket now, why not

[atomic salmon]

You could also get someone to record and upload it for you

YouTube editor permission and all that

[magic grove]

@warm stream

video?

[warm stream]

oh right i forgot, got my pc working the other day again

will record when i wake up tmr

[warm stream]

any good bgm ideas?

[warm stream]

thanks, will use this and record later and probs upload tonight

[tepid pebble]

is that a problem?

if its outputting a file with proper data you can just add the extension with a rename probably

[warm stream]

dumping a vid is fine i just cannot figure out how to get bgm music in the dump. might just throw the bgm in an editor instead of in the dump

[tepid pebble]

oh i guess i misunderstood the problem

[magic grove]

does what you've done not work

maybe the config file doesn't look for file extensions when it searches for the audio?

so instead of typing 1.mp3, type 1

[warm stream]

tried that aswell, still didn't do anything

[magic grove]

Repost in tas questions and ping Paul

[cosmic quest]

This seems to be a common problem

[frail lily]

can you not just framedump without the music and use any video editor to add it? who cares if that feature is broken lmao

[magic grove]

Yeah he said he was gonna do that here

[warm stream]

https://youtu.be/ySGiM8KRgLw finally uploaded after putting it off for ages

couldn't be bothered to figure out the lap timings / ending things because agc is annoying

[primal nexus]

I think the Monster should also be listed as an authors.

[left igloo]

(also it's aoiro not aorio)

[magic grove]

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