The Great Apple War UR 3lap | MKWii TAS | Page 1

main plume Sep 5, 2025, 1:39 AM

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i found a barrel roll strat that makes 3lap ur faster on great apple war and kinda wanna make a tas out of it cuz it would be so funny. but i cant get it

📎 apple_flamerunner.rkg 📎 apple_shootingstar.rkg 📎 apple_phantom.rkg

unborn egret Sep 5, 2025, 1:41 AM

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that shooting star attempt looks really close to working

sturdy hawk Sep 5, 2025, 1:41 AM

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how are yall getting these visual hitbox track things for custom tracks

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am i supposed to make them myself in the one editor

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maybe i shouldnt ask here actually :3

main plume Sep 5, 2025, 1:42 AM

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yeah

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(answer: ask shxd to make it)

noble pike Sep 5, 2025, 1:42 AM

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yeah move to #tas-questions for this

main plume Sep 5, 2025, 1:43 AM

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bypassing it under 5 seconds would be goated

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pref with like shooting star for superhopping but idk how it would do with the tree section

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successful bypass example

main plume Sep 5, 2025, 10:56 PM

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please contribute!

steep sail Sep 5, 2025, 11:07 PM

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have you tried with spear (does it lose like 800 seconds over the rest of the lap)

distant nova Sep 5, 2025, 11:30 PM

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milliseconds you mean

main plume Sep 5, 2025, 11:38 PM

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steep sail have you tried with spear (does it lose like 800 seconds over the rest of the la...

theres a couple turns near the end which make it probably unoptimal

main plume Sep 6, 2025, 5:47 PM

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i think i found the way to make the bypass work theoretically

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i think the pitch needs to be as close to parallel as possible to the kill plane/invis wall under it

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so when you're going through the oob, you will clip through the invisible wall without one of your tires still being oob

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i think at that spot the pitch should be ~150?

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could be wrong

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probably 130-40 actually

main plume Sep 30, 2025, 10:52 PM

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how do i pin

main plume Sep 30, 2025, 10:52 PM

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main plume i found a barrel roll strat that makes 3lap ur faster on great apple war and kin...

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there

craggy vigil Oct 1, 2025, 4:02 PM

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Pingas

main plume Oct 1, 2025, 4:04 PM

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can you pingas the property through the oob plane thanks

hybrid dock Oct 8, 2025, 2:17 AM

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@main plume I can't get anything

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Are you sure it's possible at that spot

main plume Oct 8, 2025, 2:17 AM

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its possible that it just isn't

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let me find the spot where it worked

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idk if i mentioned the detail here but

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under the kill plane, there is an invisible wall that is very slightly under it facing the opposite direction

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there are 2 variables i think made it happen there:

the kill plane is closer to the ground, so it might give you less velocity when you interact
the kill plane might be flatter but i haven't verified

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oh and i guess the walls are less steep there as well

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i wanna see what happens when i delete the invisible wall under it

hybrid dock Oct 8, 2025, 2:27 AM

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main plume successful bypass example

Does the current ghost use the inputs from your successful bypass? Maybe try that if you haven't already

main plume Oct 8, 2025, 2:27 AM

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maybe possible to get a weird pitch to kind of try for swg on the thin, steep triangle?

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no, the successful bypass was completely different id have to find the ghost

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give me a min

main plume Oct 8, 2025, 2:29 AM

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main plume successful bypass example

📎 successfull_bypass_but_its_slow.rkg

main plume Oct 8, 2025, 2:33 AM

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main plume

actually the "success" one should be 1 vertex to the right

main plume Oct 8, 2025, 2:53 AM

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wait i think i figured something out but its entirely possible its a nothing burther

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im not even going to correct that typo you can publicly shame that

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on the successful bypass spot, the walls underneath protrude into the oob plane from below like the first image. where i've been trying it, it doesnt

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the protrusion starts here, so maybe bypass is possible here?

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i'll rethink how to do the start to align with that spot but might just be changing jump direction off the starting blips

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once i get back tmr

hybrid dock Oct 8, 2025, 3:03 AM

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Good luck

main plume Oct 8, 2025, 7:51 PM

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this is so dumb

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ok for some reason the media player decided to be stupid and loop itself

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gonna compare this to getting a start boost

main plume Oct 8, 2025, 9:22 PM

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@hybrid dock if u wanna try this one

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hybrid dock Oct 9, 2025, 2:47 AM

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I tried for a little bit and couldn't get it

main plume Oct 9, 2025, 4:36 AM

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got another bypass at that one spot

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like it looks like im hitting that wall

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📎 rSGB_137.195s_ec96be3.rkg

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also when i do it, gcf goes 0.000 -> 1.000

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notably setting gcf to 1 beforehand doesnt seem to help

main plume Oct 9, 2025, 5:13 AM

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if that spot is the only one that works, the shroomspot can be on the grass

main plume Oct 9, 2025, 5:29 AM

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im gonna sleep, if u wanna try to get it faster i implore you to try (because this is a prelim)

📎 rSGB_74.409s_0624ede.rkg

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i think i might do a solo flamerunner run if it can also bypass there

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cuz the superhopping seems like shit on this course

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this should be at the point of figuring out WHERE to do the barrel roll instead of HOW

noble pike Oct 9, 2025, 5:38 AM

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This seems as bad as RR 1 shroom optimisation

main plume Oct 9, 2025, 5:42 AM

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wym

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@noble pike

noble pike Oct 9, 2025, 6:28 AM

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doesn't matter if you dont get the reference

main plume Oct 9, 2025, 6:48 AM

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oh optimization

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main plume Oct 9, 2025, 11:33 PM

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i think i´ll actually run it with shooting star cuz it can get the br angles better

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i also had an idea for the barrel roll setup part, basically right when the shroom runs out, you´d hit the wall and kill your momentum as fast as possible to set up br quicker

main plume Oct 10, 2025, 12:22 AM

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kierio was right

noble pike Oct 10, 2025, 1:04 AM

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i was?

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about what

main plume Oct 10, 2025, 1:05 AM

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the optimization being painful

noble pike Oct 10, 2025, 1:09 AM

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yup

main plume Oct 10, 2025, 1:17 AM

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i mightve asked skip to contribute but i dont wanna take any more effort away from the task

azure cedar Oct 10, 2025, 1:35 AM

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What if the 3 of us do this for the next week and submit it instead

main plume Oct 10, 2025, 4:05 AM

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full lap1 prelim

📎 rSGB_46.319s_1c03af5.rkg

noble pike Oct 10, 2025, 4:05 AM

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YAY

main plume Oct 10, 2025, 4:06 AM

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im not fully sure if flame can beat out shooting star but i think it might be slightly slower

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the normal part of the lap might be slightly faster but i dont think it could do good at the lap starts

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or if somehow an offroad vehicle can do better by doing the offroad cuts/start shroomless

main plume Oct 10, 2025, 2:02 PM

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i'm looking at it again and i fear that just like zipzip/magikruiser can just clip over the invisible wall faster

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if its faster i might abandon this

main plume Oct 10, 2025, 6:32 PM

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ok it appears offroad vehicles + clip are slightly slower

main plume Oct 11, 2025, 5:34 AM

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progress, the trick off the ramp at 13s is a little slow but

main plume Oct 12, 2025, 3:50 AM

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omfg i cant get the qm to finish the lap

noble pike Oct 12, 2025, 3:50 AM

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track is impossible

main plume Oct 13, 2025, 12:28 AM

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7gt8giytuuhjk

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gave up on trying to specifically get on top of the railing at the end and just went fast

craggy vigil Oct 13, 2025, 12:36 AM

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is it even worth getting the trick on the tree

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you lose all of your ev going for it

main plume Oct 13, 2025, 12:39 AM

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well lets see

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the ground there sucks

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so probably

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its kinda close tho

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well i got it slightly faster now 💀

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it probably doesnt matter until you optimize it super hard

craggy vigil Oct 13, 2025, 12:47 AM

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you can prob get a trick off the tree without losing a ton of ev but it likely won't be super low

main plume Oct 13, 2025, 12:57 AM

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main plume progress, the trick off the ramp at 13s is a little slow but

like this?

craggy vigil Oct 13, 2025, 1:44 AM

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ideally you wouldn't want a left drift off the tree

main plume Oct 13, 2025, 1:48 AM

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yeah

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but like i hopped on the lip of it and it let me trick without putting my pitch super far down

main plume Oct 13, 2025, 2:48 AM

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ok so i held a supergrind on the tree to keep ev and speed and get the trick

main plume Oct 13, 2025, 3:16 AM

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i got the blip

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l1 complete basically

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should i do the other 2 laps

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considering they're exactly the same

main plume Oct 13, 2025, 1:54 PM

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maybe its possible to bypass by slamming the wall and getting pitch cuz why not

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if so it means i have to redo the entire superhopping section but i at least have the lines

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sub 20 each lap seems so desirable

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