Thought I would make this because the previous bkt doesn't sync on console. Got a flap entry + first trick, no idea if it's better/worse than the previous bkt. Setting tag to ask to contribute because I would like some newer TASers (and me) to have more experience, comments are welcome. will make public if I want to later on
#CM NG Flap
woven mountain
i believe the new strat is to use moving road velocity from the escalator after the first banister trick
agile solar
i believe the new strat is to use moving road velocity from the escalator after ...
what would be a optimal time to enter the lap at if that's the case, my current ghost starts too early for that
woven mountain
uh i guess whenever the escalator changes
woven mountain
i believe the new strat is to use moving road velocity from the escalator after ...
im also not certain about what this looks like for this escalator
monster had a video for one of the escalators but i think it's private now
brittle hare
what would be a optimal time to enter the lap at if that's the case, my current ...
That’s a tricky one
You want both escalators to be going up and the cars at the end to be in a good cycle
And yeah there are a ton of strats you’ll want to be implementing that have no video
I may go back and record the 36.900 just so that there’s documentation because years of asking jello to send me the 36.8xx has amounted to nothing
compact nest
There has to be a better shroomspot than wheelieing during a chain
compact nest
I may go back and record the 36.900 just so that there’s documentation because y...
@ember ember share pls ty
woven mountain
There has to be a better shroomspot than wheelieing during a chain
true i think
probably the grey stairs down and up or something
compact nest
wait why'd you send the rkg if you wanted it to be private lol
reef moon
There has to be a better shroomspot than wheelieing during a chain
maybe shroom on the turn after the 2nd pair of escalators?
afaik the current strat is to just do 1 mt so you end up holding the drift for quite a bit during that turn
compact nest
I think it would send you really wide
Wonder if Mach Bike is a possibility
Purely because it might be able to shroom during the downstairs
brittle hare
yeah i remember that was the platinum runner shroomspot
brittle hare
task 15
reef moon
I think it would send you really wide
could start the turn a bit wider to solve this, no?
reef moon
Wonder if Mach Bike is a possibility
surely not, there’s too many straight areas and not enough tight corners (unless the shroomspot i suggested works)
stiff glade
found it https://youtu.be/jZmzKBWTnNM?si=Fb06tIt_9nE420k5&t=259
Is that better than this #tas-strats message
Oof video is private
But it was basically rfhing the escalator and moved pretty fast
And ejecting at the very end for the next trick
reef moon
Thought I would make this because the previous bkt doesn't sync on console. Got ...
as a newer taser, can i help w/ this
even though i won't be home for another 10 days or so
agile solar
as a newer taser, can i help w/ this
Sure you can help
agile solar
set it to contribution welcome bc this thread is dead af
reef moon
wow i never ended up helping with this
gaunt marsh
someone make a new entry for this,,
agile solar
someone make a new entry for this,,
Before we do that, we have to figure out what time we should enter the lap at
dark hound
Kid called agc
reef moon
really wanted to actually do this but after a solid 5 minutes i got bored with stair qm. better lap entry though!
reef moon
i'll check in a sec
gaunt marsh
i am just not getting enough height here
reef moon
well first things first you're behind tactical's ghost by about 1.2ms so i'll see if i can fix that
reef moon
latest ghost sent here (before i sent my ghost) was tacticals. the only thing i tweaked with his ghost was a better lap entry
gaunt marsh
yeah and i used urs
reef moon
so before the first shroom i'm about 0.9ms ahead
and when comparing his ghost and ur ghost, you end up 0.2ms behind before the esculator
reef moon
before shroom you are 0.9ms ahead
after you are 0.2ms behind
its to do with the landing from the stairs, you get like 7f of airtime
gaunt marsh
oh cool
reef moon
in fact, we're actually now 0.2ms ahead of tactical's original ghost
gaunt marsh
yippee! :D
reef moon
with a better lap entry too! this is going so well!
now we hope that esculator isn't qm locked or some other bullshit
reef moon
do u know how to go higher on the escalator airtime
i havent touched the esculator yet
just trial and error i imagine
here is a gift for you, better lap entry and 0.2ms ahead of tacticals old ghost
im going to bed now
reef moon
nvm i lied its about 0.1ms behind tactical's original ghost + i got some poor alignment because i wanted to go to bed (both can be easily fixed with minor tweaking)
did some awkward swerving during the rfh for qm but its fixable i imagine
reef moon
found it https://youtu.be/jZmzKBWTnNM?si=Fb06tIt_9nE420k5&t=259
is this the optimal way to do these esculators
reef moon
Thought I would make this because the previous bkt doesn't sync on console. Got ...
or is this
agile solar
found it https://youtu.be/jZmzKBWTnNM?si=Fb06tIt_9nE420k5&t=259
this one
the escalator give moving road velocity
thats why we need the good timing on the lap entry
reef moon
lovely i will work on that tomorrow or later today if i feel like it
reef moon
thats why we need the good timing on the lap entry
like, for cycles?
reef moon
i have full faith that you entered the lap good
compact nest
We want to replicate Monster's rfh double trick trick but on the right banister
reef moon
hopefully the qm isnt miserable
agile solar
if the normal way was optimal we would do this
this took a decent ammount of time to get
compact nest
if the normal way was optimal we would do this
if doing this strat you would not be hopping for the 2nd trick
agile solar
if doing this strat you would not be hopping for the 2nd trick
you can do it without hopping?
brittle hare
Watch the CM NG lap 1 in the abandoned obsoleted video
agile solar
Watch the CM NG lap 1 in the abandoned obsoleted video
what video exactly?
reef moon
luckily its an obseleted strat!
brittle hare
luckily its an obseleted strat!
It’s not
It’s still faster when the escalator is going down
gaunt marsh
@reef moon mr ized would it be better to try to do a 3 lap and come back to ts or do this first
reef moon
it's mr ised; i'm british. and idk, i haven't done anything on this for a bit
might work on this later
gaunt marsh
isnt it better practice to figure out all the shit in 3 lap and then find a place to start to work on flap after
or does it not matter
reef moon
no idea
agile solar
isnt it better practice to figure out all the shit in 3 lap and then find a plac...
we know all the strats to use so it should be fine to keep working on this, but im open to work on a 3lap
reef moon
i will take a look at this tomorrow when i wake up and hopefully not rage quit after 5 minutes
gaunt marsh
we know all the strats to use so it should be fine to keep working on this, but ...
r u sure this is the best way to enter or whatever
agile solar
r u sure this is the best way to enter or whatever
I think so but the entry from the old flap might work better
just thought to test the straight-line approach first
reef moon
https://youtu.be/5IzNpLo2g6c
do we delay the lap for a better cycle or do this
brittle hare
not at all, theres a lot of issues with that tas
you guys should be able to improve it
brittle hare
more than just car cycles
reef moon
do we even know when a good time to start the lap is because of all the cycles]
gaunt marsh
im more so impressed that he did ts solo and that quickly
agile solar
more than just car cycles
oh, the second escalator cycle as well
brittle hare
no, theres a lot of stuff in this thats quite unoptimised
reef moon
do we even have access to thomas' ghosts
agile solar
when he submits a verification request I can send you guys the ghost
dark hound
How would he do that
dark hound
agile solar
he dms ejay/kiro, and they submit the ticket
didn't ejay create the ticket for that one run
brittle hare
no, theres a lot of stuff in this thats quite unoptimised
- missing wheelie on first escalator
- shortcut exit double trick is slow/high
- wrong second double banister method (ignoring the fact that the cycle should be such that you dont even have to do this one)
- missing rewheelie after second u turn
- questionable shroomspot but probably optimal since we havent actually tested the best 3rd shroom
- wrong wall trick strat for mall exit ramp
- a few turns look like they could be improved, most notably the one before the cars
- bad car cycles (by accident of course), and even still they could probably have been handled better
- and more im probably missing
it's a decent improvement on the previous bkt but theres still a lot left
agile solar
- missing wheelie on first escalator
- shortcut exit double trick is slow/high
-...
so like light-blue level of optimization?
(WIP speadsheet)
brittle hare
uh yea it's possibly 2019-21 level optimisation?
probably more similar to luke's run though, the timesaves came from strats
i would say green
agile solar
gaunt marsh
is this optimal
aren't we supposed to go other side of escalator and trick off the corner of the downward escalator
(screenshot from the thomas bkt)
stiff glade
Yes
stiff glade
I believe it should use the extra trick
agile solar
hold on which side did our ghost go to
it went to the right
same escalator as the thomas bkt
agile solar
I don't know if right escalator is completely unviable though
we may have to test both
gaunt marsh
theres genuinely no way its faster
no shroom or nothing its just wheelieing through it
i dont remember when the other shrooms are used though
narrow wind
i dont remember when the other shrooms are used though
The last schroom of thomas doesn't look that optimal
brittle hare
I believe it should use the extra trick
From what I remember, the extra trick barely saved any time, so I don't think it would be optimal doing it on laps 2 or 3 or in a flap
gaunt marsh
should we make a 3lap thread or do the flap first
agile solar
should we make a 3lap thread or do the flap first
lets do the flap
gaunt marsh
lets do the flap
can u make an entry on the other escalator rail
agile solar
From what I remember, the extra trick barely saved any time, so I don't think it...
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not optimal
stiff glade
It’s worth testing
gaunt marsh
possible revival
i think the last thing we needed to do was test an entry on the other escalator rail like i said above
to test if the extra trick saved any time
gaunt marsh
rDS ng flap is done so i have no obligation to care about any other tas than this one now :3