MT NG 3lap

[lilac condor]

reckon we should just follow this strat and tas it at the start of l1 to know for certain

left startslide

[lunar inlet]

why left

[quick basin]

that's the 1000th message of the thread

[lilac condor]

do you not need space for the mt?

[lunar inlet]

oh yeah right

i can test it rn im actually fairly comfortable with this section

[lilac condor]

yea would appreciate it

[lunar inlet]

i can screenshare in vc if anyone wants to watch

[quick basin]

today at 5:47 AM

[lunar inlet]

L timezone

[quick basin]

said the guy in nz

anyways no chance fence jump shroomless either

use the wigglers

[lunar inlet]

one slight issue with this rfh ejection is that, due to the slope, you almost always get ev from downhill supergrinding

[lilac root]

probably easier to test from here no?

w a slipdrift perhaps

if it's slower there its for sure slower on all other laps

[lunar inlet]

spear start slips are super tough

oh l2

yeah ill do that

i think its possible its slower l1

because of all the wheelie time you lose

start boost no wheelie is way worse than trick boost no wheelie

[ripe shuttle]

just got that

[lunar inlet]

oh nice

what frame do you hit boost panel

[ripe shuttle]

i'm gonna try to improve it a bit first bc i just held the drift until the boost panel

[lunar inlet]

alright yeah

this is the really tough bit

more speed out of offroad = way worse angle out of offroad

which is why im not entirely sure if going super tight or going wide and using reject road is better

(or what you did)

if reject road is better then you can wheelie out of the ejection to retain 98

[lilac root]

so if this is less than 59f behind into cannon vs the current shroom, the new shroomspot is faster?

[lunar inlet]

i think so

[lilac condor]

i counted 59 f difference from passing the leaf pile to the frame when touching the road at the top of the turnskip btw

[ripe shuttle]

rn i have first boost fanel at 494, but i think i can improve more

oh maybe u meant the second one

[lunar inlet]

ok thats 0.15 faster than me

[ripe shuttle]

second at 595

[lunar inlet]

second one uh

[lilac condor]

515 with turnskip shroom

[lunar inlet]

thanks

ok so 80 frames apart

i might try flame runner with normal route

[strange pollen]

pleek 🙏

[lunar inlet]

based on this, flame runner enters cannon 84f later when not taking the shortcut path

[lilac root]

l2 hits the second boost panel on f2976 fyi

imagine if this end ups being l2/l3 only

would be a nightmare to route, you'd have 3 different ways to use the 2nd and 3rd shroom so you'd need to check all laps for net cycles to see which shroom strat is best

[lilac condor]

i can't imagine that. you don't lose such a massive amount of time to set it up l1

[lunar inlet]

oh wait

what about wiggler cycle

could 2-0-1 be optimal like on bc3

tbf bc3 shroomspots are (almost) tied

this is still like 0.3-0.4 slower

[ripe shuttle]

586 now

[lilac condor]

i was also thinking the shroom in the new flap bkt may not be fully optimized either. more room to cut tighter and still hit the kcp

[tardy heath]

do you guys think it has RTA applicability?

sorry to go off topic a bit

i tried with BB for 5 minutes and couldn't get anything close

curious if it's possible consistently

[lunar inlet]

nah the hop is crazy precise

[tardy heath]

thanks for the affirmation, i thought so as well

[ripe shuttle]

here is what i got

[hallow elbow]

You guys are amazing lmao

[naive egret]

Isn’t there also a wall clip strat

[paper holly]

this is ng

[naive egret]

Oh wait not ng my bad

[lilac condor]

i couldn't improve alego's ghost or the new cut on the flap by anything significant. there's something like a .3 gap rn. unless some big optimization gets found i'm pretty sure it's just slower for 3lap

[hard mural]

im wondering if mting is even the strat bc of how wide you go

https://youtu.be/W544HSdZDUk?t=332 could you do something like this instead

or maybe opposite slide direction

[tired ice]

ig startslide the opposite way

[lunar inlet]

The point of mting is to avoid hitting offroad, which saves so much more than you’d expect

[twin jetty]

Pinned latest 3lap ghost: #1361307313692082216 message

[twin jetty]

Finished?

[hallow elbow]

would the shroomless cut followed by the fence jump not be faster?

[hard mural]

no

[hallow elbow]

oh

[twin jetty]

the whole above conversation was about showing that it's slower

[main dirge]

Is .45x still being sought after?

[twin jetty]

yes

even just 459

[main dirge]

Would like to see that reached. gl

[lilac condor]

0.25 ms improvement

[vast geyser]

im close to a 459

[twin jetty]

lfg

[quick basin]

3 more ms and it's 123.456

[twin jetty]

who's uploading this one

Alego?

[ripe shuttle]

i can yeah

[heavy quail]

is it considered finished?

[ripe shuttle]

i think so

[twin jetty]

Authors and approximate sections:
Lap 1:
Start until 1st shroom lap 1: Alego
1st shroom until wiggler entrance: Alego, Ejay
Wiggler entrance until drift airtime out of hut: Alego, Mitch,
Drift airtime out of hut until end of boost panel: Alego, Mitch, Ejay
Turnskip until walltrick: Alego, Foss
Walltrick until end of left fence: Alego
End of left fence until start of net: Alego, Marth
Start of net until end of lap: Alego, Shadow

Lap 2:
Start until wiggler entrance: same as lap 1
Wiggler entrance until drift airtime out of hut: Alego
Drift airtime out of hut until end of left fence: same as lap 1
End of left fence until net entrance: Alego, Marth
Net entrance until final walltrick: Marth, Monster, Alego
Final walltrick until end of lap: Alego

Lap 3:
Start until net entrance: same as lap 1
Net entrance onwards: Monster, Aoiro, Foss, Corvid, Kierio, Police, Tactical

----BACKTRACK----
Lap 1:
Net entrance until final trick: Monster, Shadow (? technically referenced on-screen while Monster found the new net strat but idk),
Final trick until landing: Monster, Alego
Landing until lap 2 shroom: Monster, Alego, Foss

Lap 2:
Start until end of left fence: same as pre-backtrack lap 2
Left fence until walltrick: Paul, Alego, Marth, Monster
Walltrick until start of lap 3: Monster, Alego

Lap 3:
Start until shroom: Monster, Alego
Shroom until cannon exit: same as pre-backtrack lap 1
Cannon exit until net entrance: same as pre-backtrack lap 1 + Monster
Net entrance until first branch: Monster, Paul
First branch until end: Alego, Aoiro, Foss, Paul, Corvid

---

Total authors: Alego, Ejay, Mitch, Foss, Marth, Shadow(?), Monster, Paul, Aoiro, Corvid (10)

[lunar inlet]

technically referenced on-screen while Monster found the new net strat but idk
if it's just on screen while you're doing a completely different thing then that is not a reference

nice work on the complex name display research

[twin jetty]

Yeah I would agree on that

[ripe shuttle]

oh thanks that will make the name display way easier to do

[icy hedge]

i have no idea if i have inputs

i didnt check this in a while

[ripe shuttle]

i think u have bc u got the good double trick the first time

[icy hedge]

maybe?

[ripe shuttle]

can i record ?

also for ghost comparison, should i put the kart one, the spear one or both ?

[lilac condor]

i think it would be fun to have both

[ripe shuttle]

ok i'll do that

but the thing is that there is no time difference display on each lap transition in sp

[hard mural]

i think AGC has multi ghost

probably no time difference though i havent tried it

[ripe shuttle]

any ideas for music ?

[ripe shuttle]

finished editing, jusdt need the music now

[icy hedge]

what genre

[paper holly]

Canadian national anthem

[ripe shuttle]

i don't really know but i don't like heavy metal or metal and thing like that

[icy hedge]

damn it

i wanted to send some slayer

[lilac condor]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zr8YjWcfSk idk how well this syncs

[ripe shuttle]

that can be good i'll try with it

[ripe shuttle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_TP7_cIyxA is that good beside the end that bugged for some reason

[vast geyser]

no input display w/ the input numbers?

[paper holly]

I personally dislike the numbers

[vast geyser]

doesnt really matter but yeah this is good imo

[vast geyser]

i personally like the numbers, easier to appreciate how precise some of the inputs are (especially the turnskip and ending)

[eternal cairn]

I dont like the numbers

[lilac condor]

the numbers are great. i put my blood, sweat, tears, and other bodily fluids into every stick input for 18 hours every day. you're going to see every single one of them in the video upload fuck you

[lilac condor]

the bgm volume may be a little low? but if you like it that way it's fine

[ripe shuttle]

ok i'll turn it up a bit

[ripe shuttle]

it's bc i don't use the pycore encoder, i edit the input diplay en name display myself

[vast geyser]

also, i think ev display would be good because of the ending of each lap

[ripe shuttle]

ye maybe but is there a way to render it without the rest of the video ?

[vast geyser]

no idea, i hardly dump / encode and im clueless on it

[lilac condor]

it's not easy to do without using pycore encoder sadly. i think i've heard about doing a second framedump with the ev speedometer code, and another gecko code that makes the rest of the screen black, then using chroma key to overlay it on top of the proper framedump in the video editor

but that's a lot of effort to be honest and i don't think it's worth it

[paper holly]

you can record 2 separate versions, then splice technically

or what corvid said

[lilac condor]

oh yeah i guess that works too. framedump outside of sp, with the ev speedometer gecko code, and then crop the bottom-right corner of the video and place it on top of the other one (making sure each frame is synced)

again a lot of effort though

[vast geyser]

yeah probs not worth, is the name display accurate for y'all?

[subtle hill]

no xz/xyz som for the net?

[ripe shuttle]

oh ye that's a good idea

[vast geyser]

oh, xz / xyz is what i meant when i said ev earlier

i got them mixed up

[subtle hill]

I suggest switching soms like ejay's dc ur flap, but I know it will take you effort and time
https://youtu.be/X7syGRh9HhA?si=lqp9QnfMYdalVyVC

[heavy quail]

you can get the input display numbers in a more traditional way with this https://drive.google.com/file/d/18I9iSoXTdY3t8hvI3Bxv7QnXaQ42747N/view?usp=sharing (from ellucinea)

[ripe shuttle]

oh ye i tried to use that some time ago, but couldn't make it work lol

[heavy quail]

use the green screen mode instead of the transparent

that made it work for me

also put any rkg you will use with that into tt-rec and redownload it

not doing that can cause some issues

[twin jetty]

This won't look too good

Unless you re-record the base gameplay in addition

Because RNG visual effects such as wheelie lines and trick rings will make the rectangle cut out obvious

[twin jetty]

I'm biased of course, but I recommend this

[ripe shuttle]

i did it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7umkAXsPBGo

the audio desynced for some reason so i'll rerender it

[twin jetty]

there are some laggy spots in the recording i think

actually the lag is in the same places as the previous render you did

examples include cannon exit all 3 laps, miniturbo after turnskip all 3 laps

[ripe shuttle]

oh that weird ig i'm gonna rerecord then

is tht good for the thumbnail ?

[twin jetty]

i have no idea why the lags are in the same places each lap

i find that very weird

[vast geyser]

didn’t corvid also face some lag issues when racing more than 1 ghost on rbc

is this lag unavoidable

[ripe shuttle]

ye maybe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUrB9z3OTxo

there is still some lag

[lilac condor]

i was missing a setting on dolphin i think

[ripe shuttle]

even tho i rerecorded everything

[vast geyser]

oh well videos up now

[twin jetty]

it's not public

[vast geyser]

oh you’re right

maybe cut one of the ghosts to avoid lag if you’re down to record again?

ghost comparison is… basically useless on this track

[lilac condor]

i don't even see the lag personally i think it's fine

[ripe shuttle]

is the lag this bad ?

[lilac condor]

i see it a small amount when releasing the turnskip mt but i don't even notice the other place

[twin jetty]

i notice it in at least 5 spots per lap

it's not terrible but it is there

alego can do what he wants but personally i would re-dump

[icy hedge]

where? i personally don't notice it at all

[lilac condor]

ejay is an outlier for this stuff

[twin jetty]

i think if TASers are willing to spend 5 hours to save 1 millisecond then it's worth spending the same amount of time making the video look good

[lilac condor]

what was the option that was bad for me when i did rbc

[ripe shuttle]

i'm down but what do i do to not lag ?

[lilac condor]

was it the immediately present my package thing

[twin jetty]

i can check some logs one sec

[icy hedge]

if you really want to re-dump, and you're sure the lag is from multiple ghost, maybe just do 2 encodings one with spear one with kart

if you're willing to do it

[twin jetty]

did you change the setting before uploading

or was it after uploading that you realised

[lilac condor]

it was definitely after

i didn't see lag at all before uploading rbc

[vast geyser]

not really i dont care personally

its not like its happening every 5 seconds

[twin jetty]

of all the video things to be pedantic about, i think it is very reasonable to at least have all the frames of a TAS in the video

more-so than complaining about bitrate or something

Oh i found it i think

#tas-focused message

[ripe shuttle]

i don't use the encoder

i just framdump in dolphin 2509

[twin jetty]

well that makes sense then right?

corvid had the option enabled for pycore but not for latest dolphin version

and he recorded on the latest dolphin version

which is why he got lag

[ripe shuttle]

ah ok i see

[twin jetty]

(and so did you)

before rendering anything, maybe just upload a plain recording of one lap with the setting changed?

no point proceeding further if the issue persists

[vast geyser]

if the issue persists then get rid of a ghost? no real point having both when they get off screened in 1s

[twin jetty]

Yes

I can confirm I have the setting enabled

and I haven't had lags in my recordings

[lilac root]

this also came up when i made my ct tas https://discordapp.com/channels/214574342137315328/1370411941360697487/1382017893507534888

so yeah definitely enable that option

[twin jetty]

Thanks Alego for making the video :)

[ripe shuttle]

np !

[icy hedge]

minimap

[ripe shuttle]

is this good ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdDyYrZrljo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK9Ow3D3F7w

[twin jetty]

that looks exactly the same damn

[ripe shuttle]

then idk what to do lol

maybe no multighost and not in sp ?

[twin jetty]

did you record DDR on pycore

[ripe shuttle]

no

[lilac condor]

i guess yeah just keep kart

[ripe shuttle]

do u still have the IV png ?

[ripe shuttle]

thanks

[twin jetty]

if it still doesn't work after this then just dw about it

[ripe shuttle]

ok this time it should be good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLsPmtOCZqM

[lilac root]

yeah all frames are there on the turnskip mt

[ripe shuttle]

and i did the IV XZ thing like in ejays vid

[twin jetty]

legend

completely smooth now + speedo is great

[ripe shuttle]

the number of recordings i did lol

[icy hedge]

that's a lot of gigabytes

[ripe shuttle]

ye lmao

[ripe shuttle]

i also tried overlaying the regular speedo cropped from another recording over mkw sp but sp changed a bit the pov so the background wasn't correctly synced

[twin jetty]

Maybe it would be nice to credit SirLucas and Arthur for the beginning shroom, and also Police and Monster for the EV strats at net

in desc

[ripe shuttle]

oh ye

done

[twin jetty]

wow i can't believe you started this in April 2025

what a long project

[icy hedge]

what's the oldest not finished wip

i think cm nu flap has been unfinished for a long time

[ripe shuttle]

yeah almost 1 year

[red rock]

Yeah, 3 years now

We're making decent progress now though

[lunar inlet]

CM NG 3lap has to be close to one of the oldest

started in 2020