lost-ark-help

[limpid moth]

no

[sullen solstice]

thought so

[obsidian valve]

lol i did - this game is unplayable for me without aura

[sullen solstice]

QoL thats missing is a bit annoying

[obsidian valve]

[sullen solstice]

but not thaaaat bad

i mean not like i got the gold for it anyways rn

[limpid moth]

repair gear before raid

[obsidian valve]

i get frustrated not having it lol

[sullen solstice]

yeah I got repair scrolls lol

why is there a tree in my gambling center?

[obsidian valve]

👀 did they add a new toy?

[sullen solstice]

is there a way to get like 2k gold quickly?

outside of raids?

[limpid moth]

yes

[sullen solstice]

cant list anything on market cuz im broke obv

noone buying my skins either :/

oh lol ty

wait thats actually a killer piece no? if i was on supp

[limpid moth]

kinda

for cp at least

[limpid moth]

which skins do you have listed

[sullen solstice]

none anymore

i gave up lol

they didnt sell for a week

[limpid moth]

which skins

[obsidian valve]

una's prob

[limpid moth]

i just send him 10k, thats faster

[sullen solstice]

yeah they dont sell

idk

had it listed for 275 and 250k even

[limpid moth]

old undesired skin

like they all look "meh"

(idk why you even have that) might sell maybe at around 150-200k

[sullen solstice]

probably sniped it off market for cheap back when i last played or sth

not sure

https://uwuowo.mathi.moe/character/CE/Lilithvanastraea

why is the picture not updatingggggggggggg

im so mad

top10% cp soon tho

i should probably use my 5 relic selectors to get adren going right

or grudge just cuz its more expensive?

@limpid moth

[limpid moth]

you dont bother with relic books as new player

[marsh grove]

he has selectors

[limpid moth]

yes selectors at adre

[sullen solstice]

over grudge?

[obsidian valve]

selection loot is good

[balmy plank]

Adren is a little more effective if youre trying to push a main char. Especially if you use Blunt Thorn. Otherwise grudge is a good alternative because its universal for all dps and more expensive

[sullen solstice]

i only have the valk as dps rn

and trash breaker

but 6 artists

next char will be dps bard

[obsidian valve]

grudge sells the highest still right?

[sullen solstice]

idk if that changes anything

[sullen solstice]

grudge 330k adren 250k for EU rn

[limpid moth]

people used their selectors on adrenaline(becauce it was the most expensive one, on release)

[marsh grove]

adren gives more cp too

[obsidian valve]

i need another grudge book drop to sell then 👀

[sullen solstice]

DAMN

5 adren

[obsidian valve]

[sullen solstice]

is 20 cp

wadafaq

soon!

[molten grove]

not all classes use adren tho

but all classes use grudge

[sullen solstice]

i think once I hit single digits I will only finish karma and then save everything until last week of the event to make the most of mogogo status and still getting the rewards from other event ilvl milestones

[sullen solstice]

i checked beforehand, bard uses both as well

so im chilling

and since one of the two will be my main that should be reason enough to drop them

[marsh grove]

if your cp is good and you know the raids and you have friends or a good title then you should consider pushing 1700

expert shop has good stuff weekly as well as 8 cube tickets + 3 selectors + others tuff

[sullen solstice]

even if I did I wouldnt

just cause my other chars for gold are disgusting

https://uwuowo.mathi.moe/character/CE/Lilithvanastraea/roster

look at that

its actually vile

[marsh grove]

on my alt roster I just do solo modes on supports but yeah

if you dont have a solo setup then

I feel you

[sullen solstice]

i mean I could

but i lowkey cba doing all those setups

(also its less gold so fuck that)

[marsh grove]

less gold than what

[sullen solstice]

solo < HM

[marsh grove]

what HM are u doing on those 1670s lol

[sullen solstice]

ohh u meant on the small ones yeah

[marsh grove]

yeah its cool tho I mean

[sullen solstice]

they just do aegir behe echi all of them

[marsh grove]

do whatever is comfortable

[sullen solstice]

even the 95 lol besides brel instead of echi

cuz i didnt do story on her yet xd

i probably have enough of the coins to clear the shops until the event ends as well

[sullen solstice]

i dont know the 1700 raid actually tho

[marsh grove]

yeah I mean the 1700 raid is pretty easy but u could skip it if u wanted to

the 8x cube tickets + 3x selector + 5x double kurzan rewards each week just looked good to me

but if losing mokoko means you're gonna be hating your life due to gatekeep then its not worth yeah

[sullen solstice]

im not sure if I would get into the raids on the valk

i generally pref having 1-2 main chars that do pugs and the others doing solo just cuz im more flexible time wise then

[sullen solstice]

doing 1700 kurzan and guardian is a big difference as well i think

cuz 1680 guardians dont exist lol

[marsh grove]

yeah better rewards

start to get astrogems

higher level cubes from kurzan as welll as guild shop

[sullen solstice]

true

gotta do some calcs and ask for some more opinions

but it would theoretically make sense

[marsh grove]

now that solo modes exist up to 1680 you can just completely ignore gatekeeping if you want to

but some people definitely have a bad time with losing mokoko so

[sullen solstice]

yeah I kinda forgot that it goes so far now

last time I played the highest was akkan or thaemine lol

is there sth like lostmokokos but updated?

the loa nexus one is up to mordum only as well

weekly character/roster gold calc

[bold geyser]

yeah i remember now sorry

dunno tho i just use the in-game tracker =X

[sullen solstice]

fair

so I am thinking if you dont have the funds to make pug-accepted alts as a new player the best alt parking spot could actually be 1670 right?

or with mordum solo you could argue 1680 ig

but then you miss out on aegir hard not sure

do ppl gatekeep aegir still?

[bold geyser]

can gatekeep anything if you try hard enough

[split kayak]

?advhone

?advhoning

[buoyant dock]

Optimal Advanced Honing Order
+12 -> 1-10 -> +14 -> 11-20 -> +18 -> 21-40 -> Continue to normal hone.
Calculated with no additional materials (Books & Solars) and full on grace for advanced honing (Scrolls & Solars used on full grace only). Personal costs may vary when using an abundance of these items should you have them. You can estimate your costs using Maxrolls Honing Calculator https://maxroll.gg/lost-ark/upgrade-calculator

[sullen solstice]

but prolly managable to get into hm aegir even with ratty supps right

[lavish mortar]

Id say 1680 personally

[lavish mortar]

Depends how ratty

And if you have koko leaf or no

[sullen solstice]

yeah I just cant afford to spend anything at all on my alts atm

[sullen solstice]

thats exactly the point, I will be dropping it soon most likely

[lavish mortar]

No leaf + rat, uuuuhhh good luck they prob have better options for supports

[sullen solstice]

cuz she reallyyyy wants to start getting into ark grid

[lavish mortar]

Ark grid is not worth it if you ask me

[lucid axle]

yeah even if you get to 1700 for ark grid its not gonna do anything for you

you need relic rarity for it to do anything

and gl getting that in NM

[sullen solstice]

well 1700 is a big diff for me i think

[lucid axle]

it really isnt unless you are lucky

[lavish mortar]

All itll really unlock is expert shop for bootcamp

[sullen solstice]

mokoko event rewards, a shitton of boxes from events, new raid, grid, better kurzan, playable guardian etc

[lavish mortar]

you do you

I just wouldn't recommend sacrificing leaf without friends to help you get into raids

[bold geyser]

what happens if you get a legendary of a good one, and a relic of it later?

[sullen solstice]

i mean I dont really see the point of not doing it at this point cuz solo mode has the same rewards as the nm raids

[lucid axle]

at the end of the event do it if you want the stuff but never worth rn

[sullen solstice]

makes me miss out on the mokoko event shop fully tho

[lavish mortar]

It just upgrades the legendary to relic

[sullen solstice]

nm and solo have the same rewards tho

[lavish mortar]

But the point of pushing ilvl (for me at least) is to do new/harder raids

Why push 1700 if won't do act 4 and hm mordum

[lucid axle]

it comes back in not even a month later

at least thats pretty much what happened with this mokoko and last

[sullen solstice]

thats what I wanna do

on my main

[lucid axle]

but ur not gonna be able to do because ppl wont let you since not mokoko anymore

[sullen solstice]

still rewards, i got enough tokens to buy out the small one until end of the event already

[lucid axle]

you need to be like gigageared for them to be convinced

which is why we said unless you have friends

[split kayak]

looks like you really want to push, just go for it dude you dont like gonna listen more

[sullen solstice]

i really dont care I just want to do the more efficient thing

[fossil ocean]

The most efficient thing is gold

[lavish mortar]

Id see low roster trash title and jusy move to next applicant

[fossil ocean]

for you, no?

[lucid axle]

well the most efficent thing is not to push 1700 lol

[lavish mortar]

But like I said, do what you want

All I can offer is my opinion

[sullen solstice]

but how is it not more efficient to get exponentially more rewards?

[lucid axle]

because gatekeep

you havent experienced it because youre still mokoko

its one of the big reason why ppl quit this game

[split kayak]

(2)

im a returnee

quited cus gatekeep

now im keeping koko till idk when

[fossil ocean]

6 1699.99 chars

[split kayak]

but if you ready to lose the "privilege", go for it

[sullen solstice]

nah I quit last time cuz i didnt get to play ttf

lmao

[sullen solstice]

im sitting on 2 xd

[fossil ocean]

Well, you're talking about the most efficient way to do things,

[lucid axle]

literally this is the best idea rn

and just become op in youre ilvl

[fossil ocean]

the most efficient thing is to just get gold as much as you can before losing the privilege

(event is over)

[lucid axle]

unless you have a roster of 200+ and geared for your ilvl ppl then will allow you most likely

[fossil ocean]

The privilege with a "better" guardian raid and chaos will only matter when reds and blues are being taken out from the chaos

And the gems asw

100k unbound gold -> 50-70k bound gold isn't the same

And it ain't worth it

[sullen solstice]

any guardian at all u mean xd skolakia lobbies dont exist

[split kayak]

just match

i match all the time

[fossil ocean]

m2

[split kayak]

even tho end up with no supp, still get a clear

waiting for lobby takes quite long

[sullen solstice]

ok so what u think I need to be at to get into 1700 ilvl raids

ill probably max out karma this week

not much more to do then no?

[bold geyser]

1700?

[sullen solstice]

yeah

[bold geyser]

cp, that is

[sullen solstice]

so just finishing karma lol

[bold geyser]

maybe 😄

[sullen solstice]

im on 1550

[fossil ocean]

not enough

[sullen solstice]

?

[fossil ocean]

cp

I mean

for ark grid (act4 )

[sullen solstice]

i am aware 1550 is lower than 1700 yeah

[bold geyser]

think they're saying i'm wrong

very well could be, sorry

consensus seemed to be somewhere in that area, occsionally higher

[lucid axle]

depends i have 3-4 week title so im able to get in with 1600 ok but without i doubt it

youll probably need 1700-1800 yeah

[fossil ocean]

No, you're right

[fossil ocean]

For ilvl 1720 yu won't need 1720 cp, you'll need lots more.

It's not 1:1

[sullen solstice]

noone said that?

[fossil ocean]

^

mb

I suppose

that's what you meant in that message

[astral root]

The real CP pass is connections

Juicer friends = free act4

[sullen solstice]

nono they said that I will likely need around 1700cp

thats what I was reffering to

[fossil ocean]

Got it got it

I suppose full karma, full lvl 7s,

would be a good start

[sullen solstice]

https://uwuowo.mathi.moe/character/CE/Lilithvanastraea

i started at whatever the picture is showing today lol

idk why it doesnt update

I think with finishing karma I should get to about 1700

[astral root]

your bracelet isn't good

stat alone isn't enough

you need extra damage line rolls (check the guide on nexus)

[sullen solstice]

its better than the ones from goldshop

[astral root]

correct

it's still not something you should stick with

[sullen solstice]

ofc not

but i was on relic until today

[astral root]

easiest way is better bracelet

[sullen solstice]

brace and accs

dont think ill be able to spend 100k on a brac before finishing karma tho

[astral root]

you should be aiming for bracelets from raids/paradise

i'd drop light bonds levels and give another level to trinity

[fossil ocean]

I wouldn't recommend doing that

as the other people said, you'll get gatekept without around 1700-1800 cp in act 4 without a title

maybe even then

because of the tiel

[astral root]

if he joins an LP he should be okay

[fossil ocean]

Indeed

was talking about pugs, not a static that can play

[astral root]

I see LPs on NA every once in a while

[fossil ocean]

when he can't or the other way around

[sullen solstice]

ur not reading what im saying i think

[fossil ocean]

Oh

it didn't load for me

xD

[sullen solstice]

i said once I finish karma my cp should be around 1700 xd

[fossil ocean]

My internet is bad today

yeye sorry

[astral root]

i think the bigger issue is that the enlightment pots are missing

idk if ppl are necessarily gonna check that

[fossil ocean]

They'll probably not if the CP is good

[sullen solstice]

so

better bracelet or karma first?

[astral root]

work on obth

don't buy bracelets

[fossil ocean]

I'd say karma & bracelet

[sullen solstice]

cuz karma is like 300k at least to finish right

from where i am

[fossil ocean]

depends on luck

[sullen solstice]

yeah obv but realistically

around 300k

from my point

and bracelet is pure rng no?

[fossil ocean]

Ye, if you had those two, I think you can go on that character 1700, but the issue is then, your other char

which Idk how it looks like

should look a bit close, so it can join pugs (without a discord)

imo at least

[sullen solstice]

the other chars are not gonna do any pugs besides behe

[fossil ocean]

behemoth

?

Wata

why behe

[astral root]

i think with your bracelet it would be easy to change

it's basically a 2.5 liner

[sullen solstice]

3.5 no?

[sullen solstice]

?? what else would they do?

[astral root]

i undervalue the crit rate on your build

[fossil ocean]

aegir, brel?

[astral root]

i think you're overcapped

[sullen solstice]

exactly. and whats the third? tf

[fossil ocean]

Even echidna

mordum, Aegir, Brel

would be a good place, no?

[sullen solstice]

mordum on 1670s??

[fossil ocean]

I thought your other char is 1690 as well.

[sullen solstice]

u have my uwu link

[fossil ocean]

from this message

Yes, I did not bother looking because of that message

I see now

[lucid axle]

pretty sure he is i told them to adjust build

[fossil ocean]

Yeye

I know how to look

Interesting roster

[lucid axle]

what does ur CR say on ur tab

[astral root]

sorry it's hard to keep up with all the messages

also you can combat power inflate really easily with demon % line

[lucid axle]

yeah true lol

[fossil ocean]

Was that a +80 cp?

[astral root]

something stupid yeah

[fossil ocean]

people don't bother to actually look at your char, they just see funny numbers and accept ya

[sullen solstice]

cant see that idk

[sullen solstice]

91.49%

[fossil ocean]

that's too much cause of your adren

[lucid axle]

[fossil ocean]

and especially if you choose master

[lucid axle]

it should be 69%

wait no less

you have adren 5

67.5%

oh wait u changed off master

oh fuck i cant math

[sullen solstice]

Due to how your identity works, you want to aim for 100% Crit Rate. This is ignoring Crit Synergies, as
Holy Sword Unleashed provides damage based on your Crit Rate, and Synergies (as well as some bracelet effects) apply a debuff on the enemy.
1844 Crit (66%) + Legendary Adrenaline (14%) + Keen Sense 2 (8%) + Zealous Smite 1 (12%) = 100%

[lucid axle]

hold up

[sullen solstice]

so my crit stat is to low

but i have to much from other sources

?

[lucid axle]

84.5%

no adren gives you 15.5%

it just doesnt show

until you have 6 stacks

which is why i asked whats on ur tab

[sullen solstice]

ohhh thats what u mean ok

[lucid axle]

if you run master its even lower

but u have pulverize + critical

basically adjust these stats till you have 84.5% CR

if you choose to use master instead of pulverize it becomes 77.5% CR

[sullen solstice]

do i gamba the 0.2%? XD

[lucid axle]

some ppl dont like the risk lol

so they willing to lose dmg to not take the risk

[sullen solstice]

im just swapping around points in evo crit vs swift

1 crit point is 1.79% crate

[lucid axle]

swift stat does nothing for you try not to change the 30/10 ratio if you dont need to

[fossil ocean]

Is this good crit? (Critical + Pulverize) Relic 10/20 adren

[lucid axle]

yeah thats fine

[fossil ocean]

Don't know if I should go master and go

the limit break

or pulverize + Critical

[sullen solstice]

i mean what else would i change lol

[lucid axle]

im not to sure the math

[fossil ocean]

or Master + Pulverize + Limit break

[lucid axle]

but i did master because i like UM2

[fossil ocean]

UM2?

[lucid axle]

unlimited magick

[unique fox]

Does Orb matter?

[fossil ocean]

aha

[lucid axle]

this is what i run

but i believe ppl say its slightly worse

[fossil ocean]

for final spendor

splendor spam it isn't no?

[lucid axle]

depends on raid but with high uptime its fine

when its a raid where it just bursts from mech to mech pretty sure this build is objectively worse

[fossil ocean]

https://uwuowo.mathi.moe/character/CE/Septyiihere

I believe I'll keep it like this

[astral root]

doesn't really matter

i would just recommend picking up the 3rd one if you don't have heal orb from previous season

[fossil ocean]

But not Master

it didn't update

the Pulverize one

[astral root]

(small utilty is still utility)

[lucid axle]

CR same as this pic?

[unique fox]

I have zero orbs idk what they even do

[astral root]

they basically just do small effects when you press T

[split kayak]

it just triggers on T skill cast

[unique fox]

So I should go gentle projection?

[astral root]

you get all the orbs eventually anyways

[split kayak]

S1 blue orb = heal
S2 yellow orb = shield

[fossil ocean]

62.26%

from Crit

8% keen sense

adren 17%

or I think I m bluffing wtf

have to check but I was around 83%

[lucid axle]

just make sure ur CR 83% in the tab if you have adren 10/20 and running pulverize

[fossil ocean]

yeye I know

I'm gonna do

a slow grow I have a 1720 bk I wanna grow

[unique fox]

Okay, so this is what I'm doing every week on my guy I did the event boost last week

• Act 0, 1, 2 Kazeros solo (Hopefully soon I'll start doing the real thing)
• Abidos, Argeos, Gate, World Boss, Paradise
• Reputations, Una dailies for ark potion
• Catch adventure island when I can, seems like it never happens tbh

Am I missing anything important? I'm doing bloodclaw stuff too

[astral root]

What itemlevel are you

[unique fox]

I just hit 1670 like 10 minutes ago

[astral root]

You're missing kurzan front (chaos dungeon)

[unique fox]

abidos is kurzan

name is weird

ill say kurzan next time lol

[astral root]

Doing weekly Unas for shards for cube/chaos dungeon/elysian?

[unique fox]

I think Ive only got one cube ticket this whole time

[astral root]

Try to do three weekly unas

Id grab the other elysian one with juice materials

Chaos gate im not sure if it pops for anything under 1680

But try adding that in

I'd also make a suggestion to add in some event island visits if you need more to buy out the shop every week

[unique fox]

event island?

[astral root]

I'd also suggest you add in behemoth

Even if you dont do it as gold earning

For more shards and mokoko tokens

[unique fox]

I remember seeing behemoth on the compass but idk what it is

[astral root]

16 man raid

[unique fox]

oh right, the one where you hurt the rocks but dont destroy them

[astral root]

With the current Freya event there is an event island that gives you extra materials

Yep

I'd also suggest trying to see if you can get other carried runs

For your current rotation

I know you said you'll get to it but

Tokens are nice for getting materials

The gold in particular adds up

Beyond that I dont really have any suggestions

[unique fox]

Awesome, thanks for your time

[astral root]

But others might have an idea

And you're welcome

I'd also recommend buying karma bottles from the growth shop every week

[bold geyser]

for like what's good in the mokoko shop?

weekly just the cheap gold bars

then the selectors

[astral root]

The card packs are a good long term investment

Imo it's also nice to have breathing room for an extra week just in case life gets too busy

[bold geyser]

??

like have enough to buy next week on wednesday afternoon?\

[astral root]

Like no time to do raids for whatever reason

Rather than time to actually buy the stuff

[bold geyser]

get enough to buy the card selectors, and the gold every week for the rest of the event

the honing mats are basically free, if you have extra

[sullen solstice]

i love watching ships come in and not have the fragment!

whoever said do enlightenment pots I hate u.

[marsh grove]

you can finish all pots within 16** days if lucky

can take 1-2 months if really unlucky for some

[split kayak]

me with dreaded dispatch

3w still no bloodclaw

[sullen solstice]

i want to bomb this ship!

[bold geyser]

you wont

[marsh grove]

south kurzan one? its really not that bad, just check every 30 mins or whenever you remember

[astral root]

The ark tour really should just give you the potions tbh

[bold geyser]

[sullen solstice]

i went through ever single existing channel watching that mf slowly drive in just to not get it xd

[astral root]

also obligatory "fuck horizontal"

[bold geyser]

fuck raiding

horizontal forever

[bold geyser]

dont believe channel matters, best bet is join a server-specific global chat group in case someone catches it

[sullen solstice]

it does

[bold geyser]

then good luck

[marsh grove]

for south kurzan one it doesn't matter

[sullen solstice]

its instanced 💀

[marsh grove]

100% channel doesnt matter

[sullen solstice]

its instanced

[marsh grove]

if you're talking about the 10k high sea coin one then I know that I'm right

maybe the boat starts to come in when you swap cause you're the 1st person but the inventory is the same

the only real gate with bloodclaw is bad bottle rng, bad dispatch rng, or bad cube rng

[rich verge]

Took me about a month for all enlightenment it's not that bad, you'll probs find by the time you finish the daily q one you've secured almost all the rest

[sullen solstice]

its just that I dont want to do all that bs lol

i hate horizontal timewaste lol

[marsh grove]

I mean its super RNG heavy

very easy to get fked over for a LONG time

if u dont have boatloads of high sea coins

or lots of alts for more cubes

[sullen solstice]

i do

both

i just dont want to do it

[marsh grove]

oh

then you're chillin

you say u dont wanna do it but if you've already got the mats then its like

barely any time investment

at all

lol

[lucid axle]

yeah other than some rng aspects a lot of it is really easy

[sullen solstice]

i dont care that its not a lot of time

[lucid axle]

if you dont want to do it then thats on u

[sullen solstice]

i just dont wanna do it

xd

[lucid axle]

its a dmg loss not doing it

[rich verge]

Then just don't

[lucid axle]

so if ur fine with that

then u do u

[astral root]

Honestly the bloodclaw one is the most obnoxious imo

[rich verge]

They're all bloodclaw...

[marsh grove]

non-bloodclaw are guarenteed or have pity so

yeah of course bloodclaw is worse lol

[rich verge]

It's not like the horizontal is required you will just be worse than people who do

Gg

[sullen solstice]

adv tome has to be worse than bloodclaw

[marsh grove]

adv tome takes MUCH longer, in terms of time u need to be piloting your char

[sullen solstice]

most disgusting system in the game

[marsh grove]

yeah**

[astral root]

Sevek drops like half the tome

[lucid axle]

its for ppl who like collectables lol

and thats probably the skill potions that matters the least if you get the rest

[astral root]

Also the collectibles were cheap when t4 came out so

[marsh grove]

t4 collectables are still dirt cheap

compared to older continents

[rich verge]

Tbf the only thing that's not dirt cheap is yorn and elgacia legendaries

[marsh grove]

less quantity of the older items so sometimes people merch and jack up the prices for others

but yeah those 2 are especially bad

[astral root]

Tome is just running around after that

[marsh grove]

I CBA finishing 9 contintents for +6 skill points on alt accs

[rich verge]

It's just better not obsessing over it and you'll see it just kinda completes itself almost

[split kayak]

alt account?

[rich verge]

Im at 90%+ in all continents except elgacia and I don't focus on it at all

The cooking does massively suck for some continents

[astral root]

plays dps Valk where I dont need sp

[marsh grove]

with an s

[astral root]

Now 2nd wealth

[marsh grove]

2nd wealth isn't too terrible

[sullen solstice]

i gotta do the msq on my 95 artist anyways

[marsh grove]

u need 14 extra bounties on a fresh acc, and can buy 6 with stronghold seals

[lucid axle]

2nd wealth only took me like a hour on my main

[marsh grove]

can buy 6-8 with high sea coins

[lucid axle]

wasnt much

[marsh grove]

and 2 from rapport

[sullen solstice]

maybe ill get some of that stuff done through that

[marsh grove]

• any u get from adventure island

• 1 from an adv tome I think

and 1 or 2 other freebies

not too bad to get the 14 to get 2nd rune

[astral root]

Before the tour

[lucid axle]

cant imagine

[marsh grove]

yeah well I didn't think you were talking about something from like over a year ago

I came back aug 2025 so I dont even know when it released lol

[astral root]

Fair I am very lazy at typing

[sullen solstice]

i need to get my roster level up more than anything else ngl

[marsh grove]

tower runs are goated

[sullen solstice]

roster 130 gets me gatekept far harder than anything else XD

[marsh grove]

but if u dont like horizontal u might not like them

[rich verge]

Do you know what gives the most roster xp by far

[astral root]

I barely look at roster

[sullen solstice]

okay tbf it might be the non-dl hell valtan or mokoko general title ngl

[marsh grove]

roster + title + CP are the big 3 for me

for a quick glance

[lucid axle]

yeah most case for ppl

[astral root]

I mostly look at power

And class ÷ title

[sullen solstice]

ngl if u have sth like hell brel title noone will care about anything

[marsh grove]

you can get 15 roster levels a day with some mat boxes and 15k gold if you have 5 open char slots

[sullen solstice]

wat

i mean I dont have slots open but???

[marsh grove]

tower runs

[lucid axle]

story and tower does A LOT

[marsh grove]

5 tower runs is like 2 million roster for 5 hrs and some mats + 15k gold

over 2m roster*

[rich verge]

I actually need to tower on my valk before they remove it oof

[bold geyser]

just the t3 tower, or running all of them?

[marsh grove]

the 1st 2 towers

new char and rush hone to full +15

then 2 towers

[bold geyser]

oh specifically not the t3 tower 😄

interesting

[rich verge]

T3 tower u do also

Its just a bit more annoying

[marsh grove]

40 floors total for over 400k exp

[lucid axle]

i dont think i can ever do tower on alts

willing to do runes skill points and enlightenment but tower is something else

[astral root]

If I get gatekept for my roster level

[rich verge]

If ur alt is 1640 it's like 20-30 mins for all 3 towers max

[astral root]

Fuck it

[lucid axle]

its just some you need to pay attention to

and can be annoying to do

[sullen solstice]

id rather do 3 towers than 1 bloodclaw

[lucid axle]

which i hate

[rich verge]

Only on dodge levels

[sullen solstice]

or 1 daily

[lucid axle]

weird hate for bloodclaw lol

[rich verge]

And u can tank those if u have enough gear

[lucid axle]

i dont see why its so bad

[rich verge]

He's just salty he spent 30k high sea coin for nothing

[sullen solstice]

HA + Crisis trust

[sullen solstice]

nah its just a stupid system in itself

[rich verge]

Jkjk that was me hehe

[lucid axle]

ig missing out on bloodclaw isnt as bad but the rest you definitely should get

missing out on 3 is fine

[sullen solstice]

hey, we probably have the best raids in all of gaming as off currently, lets make ppl do non-guaranteed rng horizontal for MONTHS just to still get gatekept

[lucid axle]

missing out on anymore is just suicide on dmg

[rich verge]

Have u tried ark grid

[bold geyser]

towers are neat but the mats are almost literally worthless for virtually all my chars

it would have to give a LOT of exp for me to go revisit them

[sullen solstice]

7k roster xp per floor on the first one, im doing it rn

[lucid axle]

only thats completely RNG with shit rates im pretty sure is just the boat

[rich verge]

Prayge for cube drop

[lucid axle]

cube you just need to get lucky room but youre doing your cubes anyways your not really forcing yourself

[astral root]

I got the cube drop my 3rd cube back

The dispatch took me two solid weeks though

Plus like 40 hours worth of tickets burnt

[lucid axle]

dispatching is something ur doing anyways though too

[rich verge]

This

[sullen solstice]

i didnt do that once before today ngl

[astral root]

I actually hate my stronghold

If I could craft orehas in town I would never go there

[bold geyser]

i haven't dispatched in a minute what is the draw anymore?

[lucid axle]

its just kinda habit even when your SH is maxed lol

[sullen solstice]

my sh is in deadzone :D:D

[lucid axle]

just SH lvls for more upgrades

[rich verge]

Id love to say when my sh hits 70 I stop dispatch

But it's so baked into my routine I probs won't

[bold geyser]

oh im maxed i'm good on that 😄 i just go back to do pet slave labor

[marsh grove]

if you're not rolling your pets anymore and you already bought out vendors then

[lucid axle]

the roster honing reductions and roster storage is nice

[marsh grove]

not much point after 70

[lucid axle]

but thats kinda it

[rich verge]

Ye Thar is being a bit of a dickhead with my spec pet's bonuses

[sullen solstice]

my routine is log on, do raids, log off

[marsh grove]

that sounds like

barely any playtime a week hehe

[bold geyser]

still have two non-legendary pet skills

torturous

[lucid axle]

not even kurzan?

[sullen solstice]

sounds like g0 jail

[rich verge]

What's ur roster level?:

[sullen solstice]

130

[rich verge]

Gulp

[lucid axle]

arent u still a mokoko?

[sullen solstice]

again now yeah

[lucid axle]

well thats not that much knowing some ppl

im not even considered a lot

[rich verge]

It's not anything really hahahaha

[lucid axle]

[sullen solstice]

i know lol

[lucid axle]

not counting alt roster

[sullen solstice]

never been my main game and i played on off for a few months only

[lucid axle]

i pretty much just do the bare minimum to be able to keep up and call it a day

[sullen solstice]

bare minimum = chaosbot?

[rich verge]

Tbh with the leaf buff you literally get free bus for all raids so why not just take an hour or two and get them horizontals done lol

[lucid axle]

i do it only with pity otherwise i fuck off lol

[rich verge]

If you hit 1700 and you're still in the dirt the game is gonna get a bit rough

[lucid axle]

guardians i also fucked off with but recently started doing them again because alts are all 1700 now and i need astrogems

[rich verge]

Only rested chaos 3x per week only guardian above 1700 it's not very demanding tbh

The bulk of your mats will come very quickly with time

[sullen solstice]

mats not even the issue atm

[rich verge]

Especially with the boxes from raid etc 1m shards a week is quite comfy

[sullen solstice]

just gold

[lucid axle]

well yeah event does that usually

they feed u enough mats

[rich verge]

Just highroll a grudge engraving from chaos gate

[sullen solstice]

never done a chaos gate in my life ngl

[lucid axle]

[marsh grove]

lol

[rich verge]

Gulp

[lucid axle]

chaos gate is like the one daily you should do

well i only do when rested

but u should do them still

[rich verge]

Chaos gate as in the 3 weekly event....

[lucid axle]

its like not even 3min

oh wait

[rich verge]

U make like 15-20k from just selling juices from that h

[lucid axle]

i was thinking the chaos dungeon lol

yeah gate gives a decent amount

espically shard

idk why shard bags sell for so much

[rich verge]

Not doing chaos gate and world boss is basically hard griefing yourself if you're playing this game on the regular

[lucid axle]

i stopped doing them like 2 months ago

[marsh grove]

@sullen solstice my summoner is 37 hrs played on steam counter with 140 roster 🤔

[sullen solstice]

lol

[rich verge]

I do them purely for relic engraving chance cause ain't no way I spend almost 1 weeks worth of gold on 1 book

[lucid axle]

only ever do them if its convenient for me and i remeber

[sullen solstice]

ok

so what would be a good routine

maybe I just need an efficient plan

then i will get more done in less time

ive never done dailies either btw XD

just weeklies for chaos, cube and guardian

[lucid axle]

personally i do kuzan (with rest) and stronghold shenanigans as my dailies

FB and CG if i remember

and weeklies i do una weeklies, buy what i need from solo shop, buy out weekly reset event shop, paradise, and raids

[rich verge]

I generally log in
Do stronghold stuff (2 mins)
Do dailies and rapport (5 mins max with bifrosts)
Do chaos on rested and guardian on my 2x 1700s
Do chaos gate/boss if up (can do them both in the 1 spawn just go gate first)

And that's you done with your dailies

All the rest you can turbo pump at the start of the week or pace out if you don't have time

[sullen solstice]

the rest being raids and paradise right

[rich verge]

I do paradise on Wednesday just cus it can give you a ton of shit

[lucid axle]

id recommend doing CG and FB if you need the gold

[sullen solstice]

u mean hell specifically tho right

not the actual paradise stuff

[lucid axle]

paradise bosses can give you stuff but otherwise you can fuck off

[marsh grove]

its easy to pump out all your paradise at once ( I do 2 of my 3 weekly unas on paradise so they're done day 1 )

[lucid axle]

yeah paradise basically does ur una weeklies

[rich verge]

I personally like bashing my head in crucible for ranks so I do a lil bit of that but it all feeds into itself

[lucid axle]

yeah the only time i try is last week on main

[rich verge]

Calventus 💀

[lucid axle]

but i pretty much just go until 2-3 runs of not being able to beat my previous

[sullen solstice]

its just so much at once as a new person ngl

technically I need to rebuild everything on my acc besides the valk as well

[lucid axle]

i do a spreadsheet to remember what needs to be done

so if it makes things easier to remember you can do something like this

[sullen solstice]

fair

[rich verge]

You're completely right but what you find is if you get into a lil rhythm very quickly you learn what you need to spend brainpower on and what you can ignore

[hearty kraken]

I just use this ingame feature as the reminder

[lucid axle]

just sometimes its nice not having to open to game everytime to remind yourself that i did what i need to do for the day lol

also no tab for paradise so sometimes i forget if i did them or not

[rich verge]

I lit open that shit 15x per day must be losing it

Did all raids on my main lemme just check that another 6 times to be sure

[hearty kraken]

yeah tahts what im missing too.

[silk tiger]

Is there a CP amount someone should aim for before trying to get into certain raids to not get gatekept? E.g. Aegir HM, Brel etc. ?

[lucid axle]

if ur mokoko it shoudnt really matter

but after hitting 1700 ilvl you lose mokoko status so you should be around 1600-1700 before you do so

[silk tiger]

Nah I lost mokoko with last event already, unfortunately

[lucid axle]

oh i thought u retain it as long as you within the ilvl req

unless you pushed past that

[silk tiger]

My main is kind of fine to get into a lobby but alts is another story. So that is why I am asking about CP before even trying party finder

Dont wanna waste too much time looking

[lucid axle]

whats your roster like rn?

hard to say when theres a wide range

also doesnt hurt to do solo if its a option

[silk tiger]

It is but it only gives bound gold

And I want to learn the co op raids

[lucid axle]

whats there to learn if you are clearing them with main already?

[silk tiger]

I am not doing them with main either

I mean, brel hm specifically

[lucid axle]

and it can just be temporary until CP is raised

hmmm

1690s tend to get gatekept a lot on brel HM

whats there CP currently?

[silk tiger]

Should be around 1400-1450

[lucid axle]

i dont have much expierence with 1690s trying to get into brel HM so cant really say

but i was 1500-1600 CP before i pushed alts from 1680 to 1700

and i was getting into mordum NM parties really easily

but yeah brel HM i cant say for sure

ig try to be between Q3 and cieling and parties might be easier to come by

but yeah dont see 1690s often unless maybe end of week

[silk tiger]

I see I see. It's helpful. I guess I stick to Aegir HM + Brel NM then for now until I can raise the CP a bit

[lucid axle]

yeah probably your best bet for now

if ur willing to buy gems for your alts the ones in gold shop are 20k each

and gems are pretty big for CP inflation

outside of karma system

[twilit delta]

does anyone know if its better to finish grudge ( i miss 10 books) or buy double high necklace/ring

[silk tiger]

Probably focus on honing to 1700 (better chaos dungeon and guardian) and then karma Ig

[lucid axle]

id say books

how much are high/high?

[twilit delta]

1.7 for necklace

grudge is like 300k atm per

[lucid axle]

do you care about ur alts really?

or are they just gold slaves lol

[twilit delta]

i mean my roster is all 1720 + and 2x 1740 but ye i am planning on maxing dk soon

[lucid axle]

probably say books then

[shadow pasture]

if thatas the case max books just makes the most sense

[twilit delta]

aight ty))

should maybe only get books to 18 ? since we get selector prolly next month with new class

[shadow pasture]

i just keep em at +15

[twilit delta]

aight ty

[shadow pasture]

incase you get bound books

[twilit delta]

ye true

[dry pilot]

guys, which should i use for now?

[tender flicker]

What class/spec? We can maybe spitball an answer but generally the class specific channels will know best.

[dry pilot]

im playing artist

[dry pilot]

i forgot class's channel

imma ask them

[sullen solstice]

#artist

[sullen solstice]

paradise has emberfate???

[tender flicker]

100q ancient

[sullen solstice]

rip

[tender flicker]

how is that rip?

[lucid axle]

is it me or does sometimes my CP just fluctuates randomly

u was 3194 then yesterday i was 3180 for some reason and now back at 3194

i changed nothing

[sullen solstice]

hoped for gold LOL

[dim pulsar]

[worldly slate]

Anyone know how much less abidos material you get if you use stronghold? It is like half less?

[dim pulsar]

its not even half, its like 33%

its RLY bad conversion

if u want to get more u gotta get Stronghold pets Farm bonuses

[rich verge]

3 fate embers in the same chaos dungeon but I can't get one paradise to drop on a character I care about

[sullen solstice]

ill sell u the ember piece in an instant lmfao

absolutely useless to me unless I get like 4 more lol

[marsh grove]

do I need to do music boxes to unlock stronghold jukebox to play music in my Stronghold? or is that from somewhere else

[tender flicker]

Should be a quest somewhere far as I recall

[split kayak]

for weap, +18 to +20 or 21-30 AH?

[rose jewel]

?advhoning

[buoyant dock]

Optimal Advanced Honing Order
+12 -> 1-10 -> +14 -> 11-20 -> +18 -> 21-40 -> Continue to normal hone.
Calculated with no additional materials (Books & Solars) and full on grace for advanced honing (Scrolls & Solars used on full grace only). Personal costs may vary when using an abundance of these items should you have them. You can estimate your costs using Maxrolls Honing Calculator https://maxroll.gg/lost-ark/upgrade-calculator

[jade berry]

should i rest guardians for that guardian's call event?

[rose jewel]

Everyone did them daily and I believe rested didn't change the chest drop rate

[jade berry]

aight thanks

[marsh grove]

or be like me and be full rested on guardians even on 1700/1720 because GR is the worst

[indigo breach]

1700 and 1720 are fine

That 1680 scorp is shit

I would rather do red dragon before 1700

[livid fossil]

I love getting tossed everywhere

[strange viper]

I finally started doing the 1680 guardian in this patch and I think I finally got used to it at least little bit.. But it still takes too long. I hope they nerf the guardians raids a lot whenever we get that patch that kr just got.

[outer mason]

the weekly GR rotation is just for 1730+, right?

[strange viper]

I have no clue

[mellow mauve]

Yes

[strange viper]

I thought they deleted everything from chaos dungeons and put them on guardians?

[dim pulsar]

[strange viper]

If its only 1730+ then I guess I never have to worry about it. (but really thye should still nerf the 1680 guardian, even on my fastest character it still takes like 3minutes to kill)

[outer mason]

that's a shame

[vast oriole]

They nerfed all guardians with the chaos and guardian changes

No need flare or phero

Hp nerfed af

[strange viper]

ye im hoping we get that nerf asap

[split kayak]

the nerf is only for 1730+?

[vast oriole]

No

All guardians

[violet pecan]

is there a way to get the +10/+20 advanced honing echidna eyes other than echidna hard now? i might be wrong but thought they added something like a behemoth mats into echidna mats

[vast oriole]

And we get that in february

[vast oriole]

Solo shop

But thats all i think

[rich verge]

Where details of this guardian event thing ?

[vast oriole]

1 day before patch like always

[violet pecan]

ok thanks, those 2 are also all the ones i know

[vast oriole]

Or you can check old patchnotes, its not a new event

[violet pecan]

guess you are timegated for +10/+20 adv honing if you start off with 0 eyes

[vast oriole]

https://www.playlostark.com/en-us/news/articles/june-update-2025#:~:text=GUARDIAN'S CALL EVENT * Complete Guardian Raids,bound gold drops per roster per day.

Holy link

[rich verge]

Ye I found it ty was just wondering how everyone already knows exactly what it was

[strange viper]

it was mentioned in the eye on arkesia video from few days ago

[worldly slate]

Is it possible to wear two skins. Whenever I spectate someone profile I see they were double skins

I don’t have it

[strange viper]

You can wear legendary skin + another skin on top of it if you dont like the look of the legendary

[worldly slate]

Do you get both the bonus?

[strange viper]

No

[worldly slate]

Ah it is just for the look

[strange viper]

Yeah basically

You get the higher stats frm legendary but you can still wear whatever skin you like

[worldly slate]

Good thanks

[amber hound]

could some one help me with this i need the high sea coins im short 60 coins to buy the bloodclaw chart /i did buy the stronghold coins already

im in the thaemine server

its in 14 mins

[balmy plank]

?seacoins

?Sailingcoins

[buoyant dock]

How to obtain Sailing Coins
Sailing Coins can be obtained from Adventure Island rewards, Sailing Co-op & 300 can be purchased daily from Merchant Odelia for 900 Adventure Seals in your stronghold market.

[balmy plank]

You can get a 1 time purchase of 3k from yornjun(?) island by Remeria

[amber hound]

mi will go look at that real quickm

[cloud onyx]

2 days in a row

i cant play

[vast oriole]

well it should be on your side or more people would get dc

[cloud onyx]

i think is only me the problem

but i have try everything

[vast oriole]

what exactly did you try ?

[cloud onyx]

also yesterday i played a few hours then dc and play agg and pum Error

[cloud onyx]

Vpn, reinstalling the game verifying the files, firewall

and nothing

restart pc restart steam restart modem and none of them workd

[vast oriole]

stupid question but do you live in an unsupported region

[cloud onyx]

Chile

[amber hound]

your awesome wish i new about this 2 weeks ago

[cloud onyx]

is an unupported region hahaha?

[vast oriole]

did you try flushing dns and changing it to google one

[balmy plank]

Chile is supported

[vast oriole]

tried hotspot with phone ?

[cloud onyx]

yes and also nothing

[cloud onyx]

idk what is that

[vast oriole]

Open Command Prompt as Administrator: Search for "Command Prompt," right-click it, and select "Run as administrator".
Run the flush command: Type ipconfig /flushdns and press Enter.
Confirm: You'll see a message that the DNS Resolver Cache was successfully flushed.
Restart (Optional but Recommended): Restart your computer to fully apply changes.

[cloud onyx]

Send me luck

[vast oriole]

praying

[cloud onyx]

Nothing

[vast oriole]

:(

did you try to contact your isp

[cloud onyx]

i mean my net is working perfectly

[balmy plank]

The only other thing I can think to check is if EAC is still running and causing issues. Maybe its active in your task manager & can be closed.

[cloud onyx]

its call like that ? or have a diff name

[balmy plank]

Tbh not sure. Maybe EAC, Maybe epic game service, maybe easy anti cheat

[rich verge]

maybe daddy trump took over the internet and banned you

weebsout

[bold geyser]

a great, big, beautiful firewall

[lilac cedar]

do you guys buy elysian attempt roster bound and transfer to main from alts? At which paradise power u guys stop honing the alts in paradise?

[bold geyser]

it's super inefficient, i dont really bother

but if you were 1) only really worried about getting things on your main or 2) really want to leaderboard, it's the way to go

[balmy plank]

I exchange leftover mats for the roster bound ones to funnel to my main. But I dont buy the ones with gold

[rose jewel]

Those walls are for us Mexicans, but I guess chile is mexico but more to the south

[rose jewel]

2 things come to mind with that pic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTm2s5X3G1U

and 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKKduNK_l6o

man that movie was great

[hearty kraken]

so I have looked at guides for aegir hm:
Am I right in the assesment that I only really need to pay close attention to the whole "group 2 left, group 1 right" in gate 1
and the saw stagger thingy in gate 2?

[candid lake]

i think so

OH

and last mech in g2

always stand behind the boss

[hearty kraken]

the rest seemed easy/inuition

[candid lake]

so counter faces the same direction as everyone else

if u fuck up and your team doesnt have a shit high dps

you're gonna wipe

[hearty kraken]

oh you mean "stand with the group"?

[candid lake]

yes

[hearty kraken]

yeah thats always the way to go

[candid lake]

some classes can surge through the boss

and in that 1/8 chance

might be gg if you're on ilevel group

[hearty kraken]

true but I dont play those

[candid lake]

but yeah stand with the group

and maybe dps if it doesnt displace u that far

[livid fossil]

Db goes though the boss and then you are sad

Wasted z

[broken orchid]

i can not connect to the EU Ratik server since 6 hours . is it down ? why i am having this issue everyday

[rose wren]

?support looking around in official

[buoyant dock]

Reminder for our new users, we are NOT affiliated with Amazon nor Smilegate. Please stop asking mods for in game support/help.
Contact customer support: https://help.id.amazongames.com/hc/en-us Create a ticket via the AI Chat button bottom right of the page.

Amazon Official Discord: https://discord.gg/playlostark

https://i.imgur.com/VlNTyma.png

[hearty kraken]

theres no way people take 2 mokoko to raids right?

[candid lake]

people could

to be nice

🙂

and if it's a low dps req raid

they prob will

like aegir

[vast oriole]

Depends the people

[hearty kraken]

we did manage to find a group

but my friend fucked uzp twice and I once on the third try so they told me to die^^

[fervent mauve]

Is this at a 1:1 ratio?

[lavish mortar]

1/10th of RC spent becomes Mileage iirc

[fervent mauve]

wtf

so this is like 1.7k dollars or what?

[lavish mortar]

smth like that, yeah

[fervent mauve]

holy

I now realize when my friend said 150-200k he meant EGP (45 - 1 USD conversion)

but the white version in the market for 750k somehow

[bronze sundial]

why does sometimes green arrow appear above buff ?

[candid lake]

means buffed istacked

like u have the condense buff option on

so any skill with multiple buffs will condense into 1 icon with green arrow on top

[bronze sundial]

ty

[amber hound]

how rare is it to buy the bloodclaw chart from that vendor outside suzan

i have checked like ovver 10 times and he never sells it

[candid lake]

it's like

2% chance or something

ifu check every time it spawns which is like twice an hour or some shit

it's like a daily 67% chance for you to see it

[amber hound]

does chanel hopping work?

[candid lake]

no

[amber hound]

i saw it once but i had 5k sea coins

[indigo breach]

Nah

Last week I carried a few Echidna with 3 mokos

But it's a real nightmare

For Aegir, 2 moko is passable, but need to do mech

[tender flicker]

Join the global chat. Click the yellow chat bubble top left of the screen and search "bloodclaw" and join the one for your server. People call out when they see it.

[amber hound]

my server has 50 people vs others with 200 plus people rip

[amber hound]

very helpful thanks

[candid lake]

cant u do aegir with the 2 mokokos dead tho o-o

i feel like the only thing that may be iffy is the final mech

i forget how many counters u need

[astral root]

aegir is definitely possible with two

but you need giga juice to be safe

[vast oriole]

we did aegir this week with p1 full mokoko

XD

[astral root]

the biggest issue is that if you have bad uptime in x0 you might actually see enrage

(and g1 stagger)

[bold geyser]

Isn't it just 2-3 counters, up to 3 beams?

[paper walrus]

4c doable

[somber steeple]

guys is 1680 a good spot for alts?

[vast oriole]

yes

[rich verge]

yo why the hell is it so hard to find mokoko for brel hard but mordum normal is swarming with em

[vast oriole]

because brel hard is 1690 and mordum nm is 1680

(and because mordum nm is WAY easier than brel hard)

[rich verge]

this is not really relevant since there's like atleast 3 juicers in every group

[vast oriole]

yeah but its easier to wipe people in brel hard

[rich verge]

saw like 3-5 boost parties full of 1730+s just waiting on mokoko hahah

[vast oriole]

personally i only do nm

in every raid

[rich verge]

Did hard mordum today for the first time it IS quite the step up

Haven't had any issue with brel since returning tho didn't think it was that bothersome tbh

Mby lucky, then again if it looks infested don't even apply

[acoustic roost]

What should I do with my gold? Take a look at my roster, I ideally would like to get my striker to 1700 and then work on gettign my pally to 1680. But then again shoudl I save my gold for books?

https://uwuowo.mathi.moe/character/NA/Chairpovlol

[cyan kiln]

Get your main to kaz?

[acoustic roost]

what is most gold efficient way to get there?

[dim pulsar]

+18 normal then go full ah

[acoustic roost]

+40 everything after +18 normal?

[vast oriole]

for info, theres a soft reset coming in few months at 1730

so better to work on main instead of alts

[acoustic roost]

yeah 100% good point you make there

[plain sorrel]

where is the best place to pick flower ?

[hearty kraken]

can you swap to solo after doing group gates nowadays?

or is it still locked

[cyan kiln]

Nope

[hearty kraken]

-.-

[cyan kiln]

G1 clear locks in solo or group

[lucid axle]

https://uwuowo.mathi.moe/character/NA/Calistera

any idea what i should work on next?

[vast oriole]

change class

let me check

[lucid axle]

just recently pushed my alts to 1700 gonna buy gems on them then next week gonna just be sitting on gold

[dim pulsar]

true