#lost-ark-help

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grave widget
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You don’t need lvl 10 gem it’s a 5% dmg increase over lvl 7 each

orchid willow
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+19% increase is 5% dmg on 21% (lvl 7 gem)?

grave widget
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Correct

radiant flame
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On a single skill

grave widget
radiant flame
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Man doesn’t trust maths so not sure that will help 😂

grave widget
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oh it’s to lvl 9 it’s 5%

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So 7 to 10 is 12%

vast oriole
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replacing pd would give him more dmg so

orchid willow
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well 12% is a noticable increase

grave widget
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Ok now I’m a bit confused so nvm,

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Just adding the % inbetween is clearly not correct as it says lvl 7 gem to lvl 9 is 4.9% dps increase

orchid willow
grave widget
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Ah doesn’t matter I’m not good at maths either who gives a shit

proud sphinx
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7 gems is 21% dmg, 9 gems is 30% and 10 gem is 40% dmg

grave widget
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Yeah the point is it’s not that simple

orchid willow
radiant flame
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And it’s only relevant to the extent that you upgrade all your gems

orchid willow
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so 7.7%

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increase

grave widget
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No not 7.7%

orchid willow
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7->10

radiant flame
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The surge example is a hyperbole

grave widget
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Surge is a much larger % of dmg than meteor

radiant flame
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Because surge is such a large proportion of surge db damage

wraith basin
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ur sorc u need more gems than me

grave widget
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Guessing it seems like it would be a between 2-5% dps increase for 1 lvl 10 gem on sorc?

radiant flame
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Anyway why do you care about gems

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You are 1477

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Level 10 gems are one of the least gold efficient upgrades

vast oriole
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why are you even trying

orchid willow
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well i gota be upto par with my lvl instead of being a noob with increased lvl with nothing set, nowdays ppl are power lvling and not working on other things which is affecting their performance

radiant flame
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Anyway we need to move on. This guy is just upset because he has no gold. But doesn’t want to listen to advice about how to build his character

orchid willow
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lol

grave widget
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level 7s is already at that point

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If you have all 7s that’s fine

orchid willow
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making gold is easy through una, raid gold is got if complete raid which is not being gate kept at any

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una = 4k+

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raid gold is the major gold if ur not gate kept

radiant flame
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My 1565 still uses 7s

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It’s fine 🤷🏻‍♂️

grave widget
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You’re less likely to get gatekept if you’re over item lvl than if u have nice gems

rain charm
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my 1551 still using level 7s bedge

boreal sentinel
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my main using 2x lvl 9 and rest lvl 7

shy chasm
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Most you need is 1 lvl 9 on highest dmg skill

rain charm
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surge blade u should at least go for level 8 on surge skill

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if not higher

radiant flame
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Slayer getting all my 9s

rain charm
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dont need anything else tbh

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my slayer running full level 7s on release until i quit the game

timber mauve
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I’d say lvl 9 on surge at least. Basically a one gem class xddICANT

rain charm
orchid willow
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if u cant understand how hard is to make gold then iuno KEKW , being gate kept = loss of gold, looking at 4k gold per week if fully gatekept

rain charm
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yea im upgrading my level 8 to level 9 for surge

timber mauve
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My surge is using a single lvl 5 tho hehhh

rain charm
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u getting gatekept from all my runs

orchid willow
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and i aint chasing that island event forgot the name

rain charm
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better not see u in party finder

timber mauve
rain charm
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better be

radiant flame
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Icy is mechanical uptime god

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I believe

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All that gacha practice

grave widget
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wardancer mains here would u say the class feels very different Trixion vs real raid

rain charm
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depends

boreal sentinel
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depends on build

rain charm
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are you on entropy version of wardancer

grave widget
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I was gonna PP it on slayer release but I just kt it to Vern and didn’t like it…

rain charm
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or hallu

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hallu feels relatively similr

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similar*

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entropy will feel WAY different in real raid

boreal sentinel
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we have like 632632632632636 builds

rain charm
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especially 4 spender

boreal sentinel
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FI and eso 2 spender are pretty much the same as in trixion

rain charm
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4 spender entropy is the most polarizing build in terms of playstyle of wardancer builds

boreal sentinel
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u follow set rotation

grave widget
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I figure

rain charm
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yea uptime versions of wd are basically the same

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the dps builds are a little bit different from trixion

grave widget
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I don’t have resources for a 4 spender build anytime soon on an alt

rain charm
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i mean 4 spender hallu doesnt take much tbh

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im 1551 main and i still run full level 7s, only one purple wealth rune shrug

boreal sentinel
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FI , 2spender , 3spender hallu are perfect

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for alt

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they aren't expensive

rain charm
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yea 3 spender hallu is the best option after 4 spender versions if u want to do good damage

grave widget
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I think I just didn’t really like the buttons

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Which felt like a bummer, not much to do about it

boreal sentinel
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myself i run 2 spender and after building ancients i will go for 3 spender hallu

rain charm
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for which build ?

jolly hornet
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out of curiosity anyone else been getting random 0.5-1second freezes since the patch this week?

rain charm
grave widget
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I tried both the 3 spender Hallu and the 2 spender one (obv can’t use dominion in trixion so that’s suboptimal), I didn’t try 4 spender tho

rain charm
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4 spender hallu feels like perfection tbh

boreal sentinel
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why cant you use dom in trixion

rain charm
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the playstyle feels amazing

grave widget
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am I blind and there’s a set piece option

rain charm
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might not be able to swap gear sets

boreal sentinel
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you can swap gearsets if u have collected 55 valtan bones and 55 vykas wings

rain charm
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yea if u dont have the horn and wing requirement u cant change gear sets

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but if u do u can change gear sets in ur character profile screen

grave widget
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I just KT to 302 Vern because I was gonna PP+hyper express in slayer release so it’s not actually at T3

jolly hornet
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@rain charm oh ok hopefully they fix whatever they did then.Shit is kindadangerous when it happens in g6

grave widget
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(Not interested in slayer)

rain charm
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yea i havent been getting those freezes but ik other people have

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i will say, 4 spender hallu is the highest dps version of wardancer that doesnt require you to play extremely differently and has less of a boundary to play

grave widget
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I’ll try it out

rain charm
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because 4 spender entropy and 4 spender hallu have different rotations

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the rotation for 4 spender hallu feels way better to use than 4 spender entropy rotation

grave widget
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Also do the rotations assume you’re starting at max orbs?

rain charm
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mainly because you dont have to chase the boss's back constantly

boreal sentinel
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after all wardancer is pick build that you like

rain charm
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yea use EC to stack up orbs

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the rotation for 4 spender hallu goes: WW > nado > ROC > BF > SSB > SI > full hold RFD

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realistically you dont need to aim for back attacks like entropy, but your Blast Formation, Spiral Impact, and Rising Fire Dragon all have back attack properties, so if you can get back attacks on them, it's a free 10% damage increase

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nado is hit master though so you can launch nado from anywhere

grave widget
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But like you use EC and basically just auto until it’s full then dk ur rotation and loop right

rain charm
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yea pretty much

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you can use SSB to gain some meter a bit faster, most of the time when i use SSB before rotation to fast build orbs, i have it up in time to do the second part of the rotation

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running level 7 cooldown gem and 581 swift

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4 spender also has the added benefit of being able to run 2 counters instead of only one

grave widget
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I’ll give it another shake

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If I end up making a striker I won’t tell you though

rain charm
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dw wardancer players already know striker is just a cooler looking wardancer

radiant flame
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But striker male

rain charm
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striker dont got the wardancer BOOBA

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i would check out the community guide for wardancer to get the 4 spender hallu build

grave widget
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Yeah i fiend the community guides already

rain charm
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one thing i'll say is, try to use all your spender skills while standing close to the boss so your EC ticks are stacking up meter in between your skills

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that way your rotation doesnt have any downtime of needing to wait to build up more meter

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you mostly want to try and get 4 orbs on every skill except RFD, you can use RFD at 3 orbs

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as long as you can land RFD before the Spiral Impact attack buff expires

boreal sentinel
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wardancer is basically a class that regardless of build wants to stay close to boss

rain charm
boreal sentinel
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altho most classes want to do that

rain charm
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hug the boss like he's ur best friend

boreal sentinel
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cuz of Korean Design

devout cape
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Is either one more efficient money wise between buying crystalline with $9.99 usd or buying crystals and converting to 420 blues?

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Assuming I don’t mind spending the actual usd

shut pasture
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If you don't mind spending money go for it

rain charm
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according to the current prices of blue crystals, you spend 8k gold to get the 420 blues which is the same as 1190 orange crystals if you were to convert them to gold, 1190 orange crystals is roughly higher than 11 dollars in value

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so you do get higher value but it's very negligible

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one dollar of extra value

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if you buy crystalline with USD, that is

devout cape
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Lol thanks for the math! I’m still not sure how all these different currencies work

rain charm
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basically, 1190 orange crystals = 8k gold, which = 475 blues so you do get some extra blues if you spend gold to get the crystalline

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and 1k orange crystals is $9.99

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although if you spend $19.99 you can get 2.2k orange crystals, which is basically two dollars of extra orange crystals (assuming that 100 orange crystals = $1)

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so yea, it can take a bit of time to figure that out

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basically, tldr, the difference is very negligible, it's basically if you want to use 8k ingame gold or $9.99 from out of the game

devout cape
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Well I actually bought the 20 pack of crystals separately. I don’t even know what to spend it on. Do I conver to blues and wait for good deals on marni’s?

forest bear
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How is scrapper atm?

devout cape
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What’s efficient stuff to buy? I don’t understand all the different class packs and all that

timber mauve
forest bear
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wdym wicked

rain charm
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was the 20 pack the $19.99 for orange crystals or was it the blue crystals one ?

astral root
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scrapper's good

rain charm
boreal sentinel
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tai is fast back attack class

devout cape
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I have 4250 orange and 180 blues right now. I bought the crystalline separate

boreal sentinel
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recommended build is 50/50 crit swift

forest bear
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so if i make one i go for tai

devout cape
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Im just swiping apparently shruge

rain charm
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ahh okay, you can hold onto orange crystals for now, you might end up using them for character slots or paid powerpasses later down the line

forest bear
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thing is i wanna play slayer too HEHE cant afford that

boreal sentinel
forest bear
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i like faster classes

boreal sentinel
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do you want quick uptime class or slow burst

forest bear
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i do like swift tho

boreal sentinel
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then probably tai will be better pick for you

rain charm
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yea tai is the swift version of scrapper

forest bear
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i do play swift slayer too

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but do i use express for slayer or scrapper

rain charm
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technically you could play half crit half swift scrapper

boreal sentinel
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that depends on you

forest bear
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cant decide

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so hard

boreal sentinel
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from what i know slayer punisher is most broken class on KR right now

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and its up for nerf probably in june

rain charm
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imo slayer is going to be stronger than scrapper is right now, it just depends on which playstyle you enjoy more

devout cape
rain charm
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yea punisher is the spec version of slayer

rain charm
solemn topaz
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hello, can someone tell me how many days the account becomes reliable after the first purchase?

devout cape
forest bear
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i guess

boreal sentinel
solemn topaz
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yes

devout cape
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She’s 4x3.. might get 5x3 on an extreme budget build. But the honing and set gear has been hard to come by. I started doing valtan this week and made 2 items at 3 and 4 quality deadge Haven’t started looking at vykas yet

rain charm
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currently, slayer is the stronger class between tai scrapper and predator slayer, but i would recommend looking up gameplay videos of both classes

boreal sentinel
rain charm
astral root
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also look into Vykas now

rain charm
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oh also, i would recommend if you have any free time, start going Fishinge

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fish are extremely good value to sell rn

devout cape
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Ah ok

rain charm
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so if you have free time you can sit down and fish for a while and make some free gold

astral root
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the more Vykas you do now the less boxes you have to buy

devout cape
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Nice thanks for the tip!

astral root
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which also means more gold long run

devout cape
astral root
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Vykas has much more personal responsiblity in terms of mechanics

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but if you've played other mmos it shouldn't be too bad imo

rain charm
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i would also recommend looking into getting your build as fast as you can, you'll be keeping the build for a long while even after you reach 1540 for ancient

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currently relic builds are actually a lot cheaper than they've been in the past, same with legendary books

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are you using EO or robust soulfist?

frosty karma
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I downloaded lost ark and selected a region and server. But it doesn't show the class selection. It jumps to a female character. Is this normal?

rigid plank
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You can select the class on the right if you're selecting a class

rain charm
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oh that female character might be Beatrice

rigid plank
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A frame of reference, aka screenshot would help too

rain charm
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you might be meeting Beatrice in trixion for the first time

timber mauve
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I have seen a very strange bug where it instant jumps to mage character creation.

forest bear
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its so hard to find a name for a character

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damn

timber mauve
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Like game just freaks out then jumps into mage without them touching anything.

wraith basin
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try a 10 letter name

forest bear
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What do u think about Feyreia xD

timber mauve
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I just name my characters after discord emotes xddICANT

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Pepehuh and Peepohuh were free hehhh

frosty karma
rain charm
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can you take a screenshot and show us what you see on your end ?

frosty karma
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ok

rain charm
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ok click on the back button in the bottom left

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you should be sent to the class selection screen

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let me know what happens

frosty karma
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i get sent to server selection

timber mauve
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Need to verify game files.

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Corrupted download.

frosty karma
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i did and it still doesn't work

timber mauve
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Ah shit

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Maybe fresh install.

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Idk, I’ve only seen this bug happen to one other person here before.

frosty karma
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can I make another character with another class?

timber mauve
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From server select, game just freaks out and goes to mage creation.

timber mauve
frosty karma
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after I make this one

timber mauve
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But you can’t class swap from like mage to assassin for example.

frosty karma
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yeah

maiden locust
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What is this Maykoko emote event for 10 honing shard chests?

timber mauve
rain charm
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once you make mage you can choose between the mage subclasses, which are Sorceress, Arcana, Summoner, and Bard

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later on, you can make other classes like Warrior, Assassin, Martial Artist, which all have their own subclasses

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you get 5 extra free character slots so you can make a Mage as your first character, or you can try a fresh install to fix the bug and start with a different class

frosty karma
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Ok, I made it and now im making another. THanks

rain charm
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if you need any help figuring out which subclass you want to use, you can ask around

pseudo atlas
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iirc the last person with that bug just had to make a char and then they could make a new char normally

rain charm
glossy gust
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I just came back to the game and bought the rohendale power pass, however i can’t access any of the other triports anywhere else. would I have to unlock these triports manually?

rose jewel
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is that your only character

glossy gust
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yes

rose jewel
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then yes

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gotta do story manually on each continent and unlock them 1 by 1

glossy gust
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i see

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well that’s gonna be a pain

tired spindle
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I've been using Grudge engraving books but it does not seem to add up in the Grudge engraving effect and is stuck at 3/20. Can anybody explain this to me properly? Kinda lost about this, thanks! 🙂

rose jewel
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after that iirc, all your alts should have the triports unlocked

glossy gust
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alright well thanks

rose jewel
weak nymph
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Engravings do be painful

rose jewel
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a guide will tell you everything we will tell you and way more detailed, pics included

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also

tired spindle
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aye thanks

rose jewel
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PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, dont use grudge lv1 or 2

weak nymph
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But I heard the books much cheaper now to grt right?

rose jewel
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cheaper than ever, for now

astral root
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books are cheaper now overall but still take up a large part of starter incomes

wide jackal
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Grudge lvl 3 or nothing?

astral root
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we've also had nerfs to gold gen overall too

rose jewel
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grudge lv3 or nothing

wide jackal
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Curious why

tired spindle
rose jewel
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damage at lv1 is super bad, 4% or something, and the +20% increased damage from mobs doesnt go down, its always 20%

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there are better engraves at lv1 to use without any downside

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or at least not one as bad

wide jackal
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Like adrenaline?

rose jewel
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yes, its good to use grudge as early as possible so you get used to how much damage you take (increased damage overall) but not at lv1 or 2

weak nymph
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I need to go check what engravings the slayer will use

rose jewel
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adrenaline is a good lv1 alternative, BUT, early in the game its not, you barely can keep it at max stacks due to very long cooldowns, no swift combat stat, no gems, no nothing

lavish groveBOT
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The Ultimate Slayer Infoset

Below you can find a comprehensive list of useful information for the Slayer class. This list is not exhaustive, but it should give you a good idea of what to expect from the class.

weak nymph
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I like this guide already, answer to Why Play Slayer? Is spot on

dense shard
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I'm a brand new player, and I used my Story Express on a class I'm not crazy about, and have found one I'd much rather play. Should I finish the story on the story express character, and then use the South Vern pass, or deal with honing from Rohendel onward?

timber mauve
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You’ll unlock a free level boost that’ll juice a new character up to where your story express one is later on.

astral root
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many classes don't come online till you have proper stats/gear at ilv 1445+

dense shard
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It's a playstyle thing moreso, even reading and watching what it's like at Endgame

rose jewel
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north vern* is the ones you get early on, you can also go all the way and finish the full express and get more good things and a punika pass

astral root
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so it may not be a total loss

rose jewel
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what class is it just to be curious

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because some classes completely change their playstyle with their class engrave

dense shard
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@rose jewel Yeah, I've got that one already, I mistook what you got at the end

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Sorceress, I dislike burst windows of Igniter and the bonus from Reflux seems very anemic. Without the burst window, I dislike standing and lobbing big nukes with high CD.

rose jewel
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i mean

midnight nimbus
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Does attack power reduction (engraving) affect the support's buffs? (such as Sun Sketch and Sun Well)

rose jewel
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reflux is very fast paced, fast cast, lots of movement

shut pasture
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They are just different. Igniter = burst and Reflux = sustained

shut pasture
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Yup

dense shard
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Hm

astral root
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regardless, you can't change your story express character so

rose wren
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reflux swifter

rose jewel
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lower damage comparatively, but no need to wait for burst

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just push buttons

dense shard
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yeah, I'm gonna finish it out either way

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Does the Swiftness for Reflux only come at endgame?

rose jewel
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yes

dense shard
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or is this something I could try while in the storty and enjoy better

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Ok

maiden locust
rose jewel
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you lack your relic piece to not have mana problems

lavish groveBOT
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The Ultimate Sorceress Infoset

Below you can find a comprehensive list of useful information for the Sorceress class. This list is not exhaustive, but it should give you a good idea of what to expect from the class.

rose jewel
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and you dont have high swiftness stacked

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lower swiftness means higher cooldowns

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you also lack cooldown gems on top of that

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and tripods

dense shard
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Oh, well

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Cool

shut pasture
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There are actually a number of build variations for Sorc

rose jewel
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a class at early and at endgame, most classes, are like night and day

midnight nimbus
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If you're using hyperexpress, you can use the free 4x3 and stack accessories with swiftness, ignoring their engravings

shut pasture
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Depending on what stats you choose to go

dense shard
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@rose jewel This is also partly based on videos and guides and such, people describing them, talking to folks here, etc.

rose jewel
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wardancer pre relic with 30s cooldowns btw

astral root
weak nymph
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I think predator slayer will be the one ill go for

rose wren
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u'll run into mana issue during guardian raids, there's so much time u can attack until nightmare set or so

astral root
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also you get less mana at lower character levels

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which doesn't help lmao

dense shard
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I don't know that I've ever had a mana problem, even in the baby guardian raids/chaos dungeons? Like I haven't even thought about mana tbh

astral root
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when you get faster mana becomes an issue for some classes

dense shard
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makes sense

rain charm
astral root
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also higher skill levels use more mana

rain charm
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and yes, raids do count

dense shard
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but tbh that's great to know about Reflux, I'd hate to drag this character to the beginning of the endgame and not use it

weak nymph
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Ye my main is Reflux sorc, can confirm its very fast paced, u never rly stand

dense shard
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That's pretty Pog

maiden locust
rain charm
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you can use emotes in raids and they count towards it

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although, every player has a 10 emotes per day limit

rose jewel
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aint no fucking way, like no shot, we are at 5X% on the challenge

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when the first 2 days we were at 10%~ish

astral root
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bless the bots

rain charm
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@dense shard btw i noticed you're new and in NAE, i would recommend checking out the Loot Heroes discord, it's an NAE-based discord that's centered around learning parties and finding groups for players that need them

dense shard
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Oh awesome, thank you!

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oh hey we're talking in both discords

rain charm
dense shard
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I felt like I was asking too many questions in the other one lol

rose jewel
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never too many questions to learn

rain charm
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yea the game is very confusing when starting out, takes time to learn

dense shard
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also there was this NarumiRaito character in the official discord, just the WORST

astral root
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While Lost Ark isn't what I would consider esoteric levels of bullshit, it's not the easiest mmo to learn

rain charm
dense shard
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I'm so sorry

astral root
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so feel free to ask questions

dense shard
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Thank you 🙂

rose jewel
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specially when you need a good build to even get into raids

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even being new

maiden locust
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Can anybody offer any good discord servers to join? I am 1415 in NAE Elzowin and have no guild and have never done any of the raids at my ilevel such as Argos or anything, so I’m pretty fresh, just looking for a place that’s willing to help me go along and learn and potentially join a guild

astral root
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imo express 4x3 should just be standard

rose jewel
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loot heroes

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like stated above

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its an NAE specific discord for learning parties

maiden locust
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Thank you

shut pasture
dense shard
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nm that's not there

maiden locust
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Ill go through the pins then

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Thank you

rose wren
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u'll be like using focus runes instead at lower lvls, if u have judge/convi rune too it helps too, could maybe find mp effiency engrave around when u grind on chaos dungeon or so

shut pasture
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I do think they should alleviate some of the entry difficulty to getting your books at least for your engraving slots, but not by just providing a permanent 4x3.

At least give new players free 20 leg books of their choice but its a one time thing on the account.

rose jewel
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for soul stealer yes plz ty

crimson cobalt
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hey, quick question: is there a class who uses crit with raid captian and mass? no right

astral root
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LMAO

rose wren
rain charm
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yea slayer too

astral root
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yeah books are a better long term solution for sure

rose jewel
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WD only on neck, soul fist as well

crimson cobalt
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omg thanks. i got a 100 Q ring

astral root
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but also pheons are hard to come by as a new player as well

crimson cobalt
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gotta wait for slayer then

maiden locust
rose jewel
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ignore the doc

maiden locust
rose jewel
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just try to join the loot heroes discord and you're good

dense shard
maiden locust
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Yeah, imma look for the link to join

rose jewel
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let me check

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i believe lost mokoko had the link

shut pasture
maiden locust
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Plus, I need to find a use for my punika pp now, was gonna save it for slayer but it seems they’re being released with their own, so I can use this on on someone else 🤷🏻‍♂️

rose jewel
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do you mind one PM, both of you

#

i got the link

dense shard
#

I don't mind

rain charm
#

pretty sure it's gg/nae-lootheroes

rose jewel
#

pmed both

crimson cobalt
maiden locust
#

I don’t mind

rain charm
rose jewel
#

wait for slayer to be here

#

the accesories will be higher in price

#

but being honest, crit accesories dont cost that much to begin with

#

we'll see when she's here

crimson cobalt
#

oh yeah, thanks to you all i will wait for her. its a ring

shut pasture
#

It being a ring sorta complicates that. Only place they'll take Crit is on their Neck

rose jewel
#

ohhh yeah that as well

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she's pure swift

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oops

crimson cobalt
#

well damn

rose jewel
#

gotta read the guide later lmao

crimson cobalt
#

anyways xd

shut pasture
#

FI Wardancer is too

rose jewel
#

EO SF as well

shut pasture
#

Usually when a class mains Swift as a stat it mains it

crimson cobalt
#

so i can throw it away. i was happy once in my life

rose wren
#

firstday release of anything r stupid prices

rose jewel
#

double swift on necklace, letsgo 2k swift

shut pasture
#

Could compare prices on market if you haven't done so already

crimson cobalt
#

nothing there rn sadly

rose jewel
#

lower the quality on the search

#

like, right click, search, go to advanced sarch and put quality to 0

crimson cobalt
#

i did literally nothing xd on no acc

rose jewel
#

well

#

crit with raid and mass is

crimson cobalt
#

oh wait

rose jewel
#

not a very good combo i think, but

crimson cobalt
#

yeah

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sad

#

what can you do

rose jewel
#

it also depends on if its 3/3 4/3 or 5/3

#

assuming relic

crimson cobalt
#

4/3 relic

shut pasture
#

Oh that probably would have been listed as cheap anyway

crimson cobalt
#

not important tho. whatever

rose jewel
#

yeaahh

shut pasture
#

Sorry

rose jewel
#

even if it is 100q

rose wren
#

raid is for swift

shut pasture
#

People are really only going to go for 5/3

#

Usually

rose jewel
#

4/3 is for if you get lucky on the stone

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or you're just trying to get a 4x3 for cheap

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out of the question for now for me, sad, i wonder how much access will cost

#

im hyper tempted to save on gold and cash in for the pheons ngl

sly drum
#

How do i unlock lopang island una's task?

rose jewel
#

do lopang una's for like 7 days

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a quest will appear in lopang

sly drum
#

i dont have the una

rose jewel
#

have you ever set foot in lopang

sly drum
#

Not yet

rain charm
#

i think there's a questline to do in lopang

rose jewel
#

well

sly drum
#

Ohhh

rose jewel
#

duh go there

rain charm
#

yeah you have to do the lopang questline to unlock the una task

rose wren
#

u have to setfoot and quest there on every island

rain charm
#

it's pretty short

rose jewel
#

i wanna say, i may remember wrong, but you gotta do some silver una's for a week before you can get the soul

sly drum
#

Oh i just want the silver lol

rose jewel
#

dont we all

gloomy trellis
#

Should I keep my bombs for later or just use them as I progress through the story to fight dungeon bosses and suchh

rose jewel
#

save

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100%

#

but before that

#

which bombs

#

destruction, whirlwind and such?

rain charm
#

yea story shouldnt require any battle items for the most part, should be able to get through without needing them

rose wren
#

def reduce/corro/stagger bombs/sleep/phero later

gloomy trellis
rain charm
#

yea you dont need to use them for now, hold onto them

gloomy trellis
#

sounds good

rose jewel
#

you will need, really need them later

#

otherwise you wont be able to do some wipe mechs

#

and you wont like to die coz you didnt saved that whirlwind grenade you used in a monster with 5927 hp left

rose wren
#

vyk stagger phase such a waste of time, cant it just end at 0

polar zenith
#

does anyone know

#

if its more worth to dry tap 1445-1460, or to buy relic books?

glacial scarab
#

how long do i need to wait after delting to use name of lv 1 char ?

rose wren
#

there's no relic book...

polar zenith
#

yes there is

rose wren
#

no wait time

#

oh u meaning honing book xD

rain charm
#

the relic books that increase honing chance, correct ?

polar zenith
#

yes

#

200 gold for armour and 400 gold for weapon

rain charm
#

imo i would recommend using them

polar zenith
#

aight

rose wren
#

get them from event

rain charm
#

do you have any characters at brel ilvl ?

#

and yea the event gives some for free

polar zenith
#

no

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and I used all the events

#

im just pushing another alt

#

want my paladin at hm vykas

rain charm
#

tbh i would still recommend to use books, think you might save more gold that way

polar zenith
#

kk thanks

dreamy bluff
#

btw how is 5x3 +2 possible? is it still a 9/7 stone? or something better. does someone have here it already?

shy chasm
#

Need 9/7

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Without most is +1

dreamy bluff
#

wait i got it, i was trying to see how you would go about building it but i kept coming 1 short. the +2 is from the stone(7) not from accs

fluid seal
#

how stupid/effective is the ingame reporting system?

rose jewel
#

stupidly innefective for most cases

fluid seal
#

can be abused?

rose jewel
#

would recommend both reporting ingame and outside of

#

yes it can be abused

#

you can get banned for 1-3 days if enough people report you

#

for doing nothing

frosty karma
#

The game is pretty lit

#

like never winter

fluid seal
#

would i get banned if 2 people reported me in chaos dungeon because i declined move vote?

rose jewel
#

probably yes probably no

fluid seal
#

this happens like once every 50 dungeons

rose jewel
#

dude

#

wait wait

#

WAAAAAAAAAAAAit

fluid seal
#

what

rose jewel
#

why in the fuck are you partying in chaos dungeon

#

that shit's solo content

#

its better, its faster

#

you dont do that in parties

fluid seal
#

paladin cant solo it

rose jewel
#

DUDE

fluid seal
#

can

rose jewel
#

paladin is top tier chaos dungeon solo

lament spoke
#

xd

fluid seal
#

but so slow

rose jewel
#

literally top tier

fluid seal
#

not when u barely have enough gear?

rose jewel
#

???

#

my 0 gear paladin while in punika had stupid fast clears

#

you are just not using the correct skills

fluid seal
#

are you playing the blue spec in dungeons?

rose jewel
#

i have it at lv1

#

and that's my raid build as well

#

the only thing i change is books

#

i use raid captaion x2 purple books for a bit extra damage

#

the rest of my accesories are my raid ones

#

i dont use preemptive, i dont use cursed or mass, i dont use anything else but raid cap.

#

and my clears are fast af

rain charm
fluid seal
#

honestly even on my dps chars i like to do it with ppl

rose jewel
#

and my judgment is only lv1

#

nah dude

#

you're literally wasting time

fluid seal
#

yea

rain charm
#

you have two skill presets you can use as a default, i use one of them for my raid setup and the other one for chaos dungeon skills

rose jewel
#

chaos dungeon is solo stuff

rain charm
#

i would recommend looking at the community guide for paladin and making a chaos dungeon skill preset

rose jewel
#

mass preset your skills like narumi said

#

preset 1 is raid preset 2 is chaos dun

rose jewel
#

its legit ultra fast as pala to clear chaos solo

#

and please

#

for the love of nineveh

#

use mass presets

strange crescent
#

when you wei frog vykas charm gauge keep goes up right?

#

thank if you have 80 percent and up gauge before wei frog how do you survive?

rose jewel
#

gauge keeps going up until vykas is staggered

#

you get out of the aoe

#

its not mapwide

#

its aoe wide, get out of the circle aoe and you stop getting gauge up

strange crescent
#

like outside part of the map?

rose jewel
#

you can see the circle

#

unless you're color blind

strange crescent
#

oh okay good to know

rose jewel
#

that's why you wait for a bit to throw wei at vykas

#

so people get gayge to kill bot frog

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otherwise no gayge = no frog killers = probable wipe

rose wren
#

there's a circle patten shape, if u cant see it then er

rain charm
#

the middle part of the map turns red and anyone standing in it gets gauge, people standing on the outside dont get any gauge

rose wren
#

yea

rain charm
#

the red circle around vykas gives gauge

#

if you're the frog killers, you want to get your gauge until the bar is red, step out of the circle, and kill the frog

rose wren
#

it also appear when she does those weird "whale" as the community call it too

rain charm
#

if you're the wei frog sidereal user, you want to toss your wei to kill the top frog and stagger vykas at the same time

#

after vykas gets staggered, the gauge-stacking circle in the middle disappears, so you can go dps vykas after both frogs are killed

#

with wei frog strat, you start off tentacle phase with above red levels of gauge, so you can start killing the tentacles instantly as they spawn

#

instead of having to grab orbs to get gauge up and THEN killing the tentacles, which can take a lot more time

rose wren
#

yea, once u hit enough lust

rose jewel
#

horni gayge

fluid seal
#

can someone tell me what is these circles?

rose wren
#

yearning set

#

you see swift/dex/inte/str on u when u get hit by it

fluid seal
#

ok now i need to find out whats yearning set

rose wren
#

legion raid npc

fluid seal
#

chosen gear?

rose wren
#

no higher

fluid seal
#

so i get this set after upgrading my chosen gear to vykas?

rose wren
#

ilvl1445

rose jewel
#

vykas and valtan

#

relic gear set

#

1445+

#

you're a support, so you're supposed to support

rose wren
#

doesn't really matter in chaos dung tho

rose jewel
#

later on when you unlock gear set transfer? i forgot the name zzzz, you can switch between sets freely for no cost

#

so you can mass preset yearning for raids and any offensive set for chaos dungeon

#

making it even easier to clear

fluid seal
#

i can get full set from doing valtan only or some parts require vykas mats?

rose wren
#

gear conversion

fluid seal
#

at least 4 set bonus

rose jewel
#

no set can be completed doing only 1 raid

rose wren
#

require both legion

rose jewel
#

yearning requires 2 from valtan and 4 from vykas

#

you cant escape the titty succubus

#

and you will NEED (or at least want) 6 set yes or yes

#

otherwise your dpses are losing on damage for free

fluid seal
#

so how many busses do i need for 6 parts?

vast oriole
#

2 valtan

#

and

#

2-3 vykas, not sure about vykas

rose wren
#

i haven't really looked at how many u gain on vyk

rain charm
#

after the new thing they added, every valtan run gives 12 horns (if you buy box for both gates)

rose jewel
#

assuming you're 1460

#

otherwise 4

rain charm
#

and vykas hard gives 12 wings pretty sure

rose jewel
#

24

#

double drops for first 5 raids

rain charm
#

oh

rose jewel
#

so normal is 12

#

since you need a mfing lot of mats from each, its 2 valtan hm buying all boxes and 4 nm or 2hm vykas

rain charm
#

yea pretty much

rose jewel
#

3rd week you unlock the thingie

#

how the fk is it called

fluid seal
#

also i wont get accepted in raids without the full set

rose jewel
#

i just woke up and i barely remember names

#

you will get accepted in raids

#

supports have it easier

#

you're just being negative

#

of course compared to a fully decked support with 6 set and high combat stats and 5 gems

#

yeah i would probably take the other one

fluid seal
rose jewel
#

but a support is a support

#

you dont need to be ultra juiced to be efficient

#

when slayer comes things will switch, or at least sups wont be on ultra high demand

#

people already putting artist on slave mode for lopang

fluid seal
rain charm
#

more people going to make slayer and dps classes

#

because everyone knows there's a high support count now

#

people arent going to make more supports

fluid seal
#

so there will be less supports

rain charm
#

more dps = more opportunities for supports to find groups

rose wren
#

nah thats silly thinking

rain charm
#

everyone and their mother is making a slayer on release

#

everyone wants to do raids on slayer xdd

rose jewel
#

tiiiiiiidiiiiiiiiies

rose wren
#

huh

rose jewel
#

2 good reasons for playing slayer

rain charm
#

2 big reasons for playing slayer

rose wren
#

nah 4

grave kernel
#

How is this still broken? It's been a month, and the chat selection is still off the screen.

rose wren
#

o barely used that bit lol

rose jewel
#

use tab to switch between channels

rose wren
#

im guessing they haven't heard report on it

rose jewel
#

dont click the thing, only villains do that

#

you can go to the official discord and report it to roxx or shieldmaiden

grave kernel
#

Is this not the official discord?

rose wren
#

it used to be but no longer

grave kernel
rose jewel
#

????

#

it never was wtf

#

?support

sage duneBOT
grave kernel
#

I literally googled lostark discord cuz forums went down

#

and this is the first one I chose lOL

rose wren
#

but it has just "lostark"...

rose jewel
#

honestly

#

this is the best pick between the 2 ngl

#

better structured and more guides

#

but the official one has amazon people

rose wren
#

now its "playlostark" discord for offical

shut pasture
rose wren
#

very strange how it wasn't claim official... like every company claims all social media as game title

shut pasture
#

Yeah it never was. They also made the smart choice in not treading on the already well established community

weak nymph
#

any reason why Tragon didn't unlock for me? I just finished the last daily, got the item and used it, but when I go Sail, tragon still locked

rose wren
#

contruct in stronghold

dreamy heath
#

im 1100 doing story express.
Do I just sell to merchant: Guardian stone fragments/guardian stones andharmony / life leapstone.Considering I get t3 when I finish punika. ? Or do i need to do something else with those mats ?

shut pasture
#

Any materials from T1 and T2 you would have aren't going to be of use in T3

#

Mainly the Bound ones

rose jewel
#

bound ones sell to npc for a bit of silver

#

roster bound or tradable save for alts (or sell)

gloomy trellis
#

Do I facet these stones I collect?

rain charm
#

oh level 42 Despairge

#

enjoying the true lost ark leveling experience

gloomy trellis
amber trout
#

do you think there will be another honing nerf for 1460 with slayer hyper express?

rose wren
rain charm
#

it might've been 60

#

and not 600

#

now that i think about it

amber totem
#

90 hours here, but I was being a completionist

#

I grabbed all mokoko all side quests all adventure tome stuff

rain charm
#

but now players have the option of paying like $20 and buying a powerpass to skip a process

#

that took me 60 hours

#

why didnt I GET TO HAVE THAT

gloomy trellis
#

I'm doing story express rn

rain charm
#

worst part is it was during school hours, i would skip school to play lost ark xdd

shut pasture
gloomy trellis
rain charm
#

yea i did most of the stuff, wasnt being a completionist or anything, just wanted to get it done as fast as possible to get to t1 and start going towards t2 and t3

#

and then we had the 1340-1370 push Despairge

#

it was a dark time in the early ages of lost ark

shut pasture
amber totem
#

20-30 was the normal fast speed

dreamy heath
#

should i do chaos dungeons at 1100. or just finish punika then do chaos dungeons. Only reason i think i may need to do it now is to start getting gems ?

shut pasture
#

Even at launch it only took me 17 hours to get to 50 and thats considered on the slower side

amber totem
rain charm
#

yea there were times where i just left the game on just to have it on

#

wait

#

im stupid

#

i just went back in my message history

#

it took me 20 ingame hours to get 50

#

where did i get 60 from ???

gloomy trellis
#

lol

shut pasture
#

I have no idea

rain charm
#

how naive i was Despairge

gloomy trellis
#

for me to to travel between islands I have to pay silver for a boat?

weak nymph
#

is there easier ways to get pirate coins nowadays? I remember I was saving for Astray, but now I see I need to spend coins to get the materials to upgrade the original boat after lvl 5, so wondering if I shouldn't spent them

grave widget
#

man ive not even started my grind towards legendary grudge.. i am strongly considering doing cursed doll first instead cause theyre 3k each vs 11k each on euc

rain charm
#

tbh legendary grudge isnt really needed

#

grudge 5 accessories are actually really cheap

#

because most old players have grudge 12

shut pasture
#

Sure but not everything uses Cursed Doll, and also there tend to be other options than Cursed Doll for a lot of classes

astral root
#

ADR/ambush

#

😎

grave widget
#

yeah i just need a legendary engraving to get started on some 5x3s

#

adrenaline seems a bit cursed and i cant do ambush so its either grudge or cursed doll and i thiink all my classes can do cursed doll

rain charm
#

imo the best books to get for combat are Keen Blunt, Raid Captain (if ur into swift classes), and Ambush/Hit Master (depending on if ur roster is positional or non-positional)

#

Keen Blunt is used by a ton of dps classes

#

other than those, i would say class engravings if you play classes that use their class engraving at level 3

grave widget
#

i would get keen blunt but its useless for my soulfist, but that one is kinda gonna be sitting at 1370 for a while, and also my reaper(main) has a 7/7 ambush/kbw stone

rain charm
#

what classes and what class specs is your roster using?

grave widget
#

if it wasnt for the stone it would be a good call

#

lunar reaper, pinnacle glaivier, empress arcana, soulfist (later) and striker (when PP+Express)

#

pretty horrible stuff but it is what it is

rain charm
#

havent decided on which soulfist spec to use yet ?

grave widget
#

oh, i forgot to write eo

astral root
#

also assuming DB striker

grave widget
#

i mean it'll be esoteric for a while

#

eventually DB but yeah he'll be expressed up so whatever

rain charm
#

have you decided on the relic set you'll use for glaivier ?

grave widget
#

yeah shes already got nightmare

#

not gonna entropy glaivier

#

iirc they can all use cursed doll alright

full flax
#

is it worth keeping my only character at 1577 until the power pass comes in to claim all the rewards?

gloomy trellis
#

How do I do the maykoko emote event thing?

grave widget
#

if you click y then click emoticons its those at the top there

shut pasture
shut pasture
full flax
grave widget
#

do you mean 1377?

rose jewel
#

you cant select your 1577 for the hyper

shut pasture
#

^

frank beacon
shut pasture
#

Also those rewards would all be bound to your character as well

#

Therefore useless

rose jewel
#

besides

full flax
#

sorry lol 1457

rose jewel
#

we already, literally, right now, have an hyper running rng

#

oh ok thats different

frank beacon
#

even that you cant select

rose jewel
#

yes you can

#

new hyper will be for 1460

full flax
#

I was thinking i hold out and claim all the rewards from the previous tiers

rose jewel
#

so anything between 1340 and 1457.5 will be eligible

#

its a TOTAL waste

frank beacon
#

1445 one you couldnt select past like 1430 though?

rose jewel
#

but you do you

frank beacon
full flax
#

wont I get a lot of free mats to go higher from that?

shut pasture
#

You couldn't swap after that point

polar tinsel
#

hi' i have some Q? what is good one : Weapon power 2200 vs. foe. dmg +3% mokokoPwease

grave widget
#

since you also get a powerpass you can just pass a new character and express em up to get them to parity with ur main

rain charm
# grave widget lunar reaper, pinnacle glaivier, empress arcana, soulfist (later) and striker (w...

currently, lunar reaper, pinnacle glaivier, and striker can use KBW, glaivier, arcana, and soulfist use Raid Captain, reaper, glaivier, arcana, striker, and soulfist can ALL use Cursed Doll, almost all your classes use adrenaline (only one im not sure on is lunar reaper, she has a build option with a spec swift neck with adrenaline instead of cursed doll vs spec crit neck and cursed doll instead of adrenaline)

rose jewel
#

if you're only playing 1 character ever

#

go ahead, otherwise its 100% best used for a new char

frank beacon
#

if you’re already 1460 basically

#

the mats are legit a waste

rain charm
#

so all your classes can use cursed doll, 3 of them can use KBW, 3 of them can use RC

frank beacon
#

you wont need that much to push to 1490

#

lol

full flax
#

its my only char and im struggling to push tbh

grave widget
frank beacon
#

i mean

#

your choice

rose jewel
#

because you only play 1 char

#

that's why you're struggling

#

and it will get worse and worse

#

but if you're willing to spend more time playing 1 char

#

go ahead

rain charm
full flax
#

Ty maybe ill make a mage, melle is hard

#

lol

grave widget
#

i can manage 60k gold.. eventually

#

better than 220k

#

just gotta roll one really nice accessory

shut pasture
grave widget
#

i feel like boss patterns are easier to dodge in melee sometimes

#

even if they theoretically should be harder

full flax
#

Keep in mind I started last week

#

My thoughts are more time to avoid stuff?

#

idk I come from playing wow and raiding on ranged has always been easier then melle

grave widget
#

kinda true but a lot of attack patterns are kinda nnoying when ur further away

shut pasture
frank beacon
grave widget
#

like vykas gate 1 is way more annoying as ranged than melee

frank beacon
#

and are more accustomed to range

#

its all personal lol

shut pasture
#

For starters; no aggro system and no "dedicated healers"

grave widget
#

thats why empress arcana is based

shut pasture
weak nymph
#

is getting pirate coins still limited like at launch? meaning I shouldnt rly spent any coins if I want Astray?

full flax
#

thanks for all the help, great community here 🙂

frank beacon
#

i mean WoW raiding hardest mech is like

#

dont stand in fire

#

pick up orb.

shut pasture
frank beacon
#

i mean they play WoW so theres ur answer

shut pasture
#

Keep up, Soup.

frank beacon
#

i mean, same answer. accustomed to range HUH HUH

shut pasture
frank beacon
shut pasture
#

Comparatively at least, and you can get away with just at least like a lvl 7 Estoque for the most part

#

Astray fast, though

weak nymph
#

ye its just one of those collectible things ive always wanted, i know it aint rly necessary

#

but just wondering about pirate coins, because i remember when it launched i couldnt rly spend anything to get to the 300k coins, dunno if its still the same

frank beacon
#

dont waste your money on Astray

#

use Estoque of Eurus

#

legit zero point for astray honestly

#

its a coin dump

shut pasture
frank beacon
#

you’ll find yourself sailing like. hardly ever to even make astray worth more than just a max Estoque or Eurus

shut pasture
#

Assuming this is just a "I wanna collect a thing"

frank beacon
rose jewel
#

astray enjoyer here

amber totem
#

Astray is fast nice and shiny

rose jewel
#

zoom zoom

amber totem
#

I recommend it

rose jewel
#

end of message

frank beacon
#

i mean dont get me wrong

shut pasture
#

Yeah I have it too

frank beacon
#

its not bad if youve been had it

amber totem
#

Mines at level 10 now, 2 relic, 2 leg and purple blackfang

rose jewel
#

but im also a day1 player

shut pasture
#

And hey, Trusted with Blackfang incase they ever give her an Affection update

frank beacon
#

but if youre new theres legit no point to dump all those coins

shut pasture
#

Then you can bone

frank beacon
#

into it

#

at all

rose jewel
#

naturally i had a shitton of sea coins sitting in my storage

frank beacon
#

it is an awful suggestion for newer ppl

amber totem
#

you got tonnes of coins over time through login and events etc

frank beacon
#

or someone who hasnt already rapport with BF and got coins heavy

amber totem
#

they can start though

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I started pretty early

frank beacon
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Estoque and Eurus are legit still super fast

amber totem
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cos blackfang

frank beacon
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when do you genuinely need Astray

amber totem
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outfit

frank beacon
amber totem
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you dont

frank beacon
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exactly so why waste ur time

pseudo atlas
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you don't genuinely need most things in this game

amber totem
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He literally said as a collecting thing

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same as me

frank beacon
amber totem
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its just another thing to work toward

shut pasture
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Again, Soup, keep up.

frank beacon
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but some are definitely like. more worth

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yk

amber totem
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its ok

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do those as well

frank beacon
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astray beta

amber totem
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level 11 next month

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lez go

shut pasture
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Just casually showing up and doing Blackfang Rapport isn't the worst idea. If its just a collection thing then they can if they want

frank beacon
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BF just a wasted rapport

weak nymph
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ye im stuck at blackfang rapport

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requires more charisma and other thing now to continue

frank beacon
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if you haven’t done the heart ppl, LOS ppl

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etc

shut pasture
weak nymph
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ye im doing giant hearts rapports

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and i do all side quests and fully clear islands before i move on

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but she asks for so much of those stats, i got stuck now

shut pasture
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Don't forget some dialogue things with NPCs can give like +1 to a Virtue stat as well

shut pasture
weak nymph
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think so and its 2 stats

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charisma and another one

frank beacon
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do adventure tomes

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for virtues also

shut pasture
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^

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Adventure Tome, Rapport, Una's Rep, and look at Virtue stats on costumes to try and pad it out as much as you can

weak nymph
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its same with Sasha, also stuck on her for the giant heart, cuse she also wants 270 charisma now

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lol

frank beacon
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p sure alot of them want 310

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by end

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across all stats

weak nymph
dreamy heath
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3

grave widget
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is it unreasonable to just rapport bomb all the giant heart ones

shut pasture
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Nineveh I think wants 330? Or is that Nia?

frank beacon
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might be

frank beacon
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theyre arguably most worth

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bc they all have other rewards also worth it p much

grave widget
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engaging with the rapport system genuinely is perhaps the thing i am least willing to do in this game

frank beacon
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you bang sasha at affection

grave widget
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im gay

vast oriole
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Thats why i dont have her at affection

frank beacon
weak nymph
frank beacon
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Thirain also into that

grave widget
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there are no lesbians in lost ark

frank beacon
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r u sure

grave widget
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yes

frank beacon
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sasha def swings that way

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my chars all female

grave widget
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you dont think amazon has access to your facecam?

frank beacon
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i dont own a facecam

grave widget
analog notch
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if i buy the maid skin selection chest on shadowhunter for example, if i hold on to the chest can i use it on my slayer when released?

shut pasture
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Slayer is very new, I don't think they've updated those kinds of skins to be available for her quite yet

weak nymph
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That does make me wonder, will we have any slayer skin?

shut pasture
analog notch
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well i hope the launch skin is better than the maid skin

weak nymph
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Whats her launch skin? Is it known? Or gotta wait and see?

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Oh, is it gonna be this?

shut pasture
weak nymph
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Awesome, insta buy for me

warm flower
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Define launch skin

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Like, what you can buy at launch for her?

weak nymph
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That skin i linked above I believe

warm flower
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I'm aware of what it looks like, I meant what is a launch skin. A default skin, endgame armor, what the first skin in the shop for her will be??

weak nymph
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First shop skin I think

warm flower
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Cool, thanks

shut pasture
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Every class has launched with a skin that is specific to that Advanced Class

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As opposed to a more generalized skin like, say, the maid ones or the Dark Omen ones

amber totem
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Isnt that the founders skin

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I hope they make some nice casual wear for her

frank beacon
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founders skin so default

amber totem
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soup can you post on inven board asking for more casual wear tahnks

frank beacon
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will do

maiden locust
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Need more noob help if possible.
I picked up the game about a week ago, decided to powerpass my first character right to the furthest it would let me so I could try some end game stuff.
Anyway I’ve been whaling a little bit and spending money in the shop honing my stuff and I come to find out there’s strongholds in the game and there’s some special honing buffs that make honing more efficient?

I guess it’s probably deserved since I skipped playing through the entire game.

My question is: is getting the honing buffs essential for honing past 19-20?
Does it increase the success chance at all or does it just reduce the overall cost of honing mats?

I’m guessing I should stop spending money in the shop and stop trying to hone until I unlock a stronghold and do that stronghold research?
Or does it really not make a difference?

I feel like a dumbdumb Deadge

amber totem
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Hello! Don't feel dumb its easy to get lost with all the stuff the game throws at you at first.

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Did you South Vern PP your character?

rose jewel
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ye he/she did

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i remember

amber totem
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Whaling on honing mats isnt efficient

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What ilvl are you now? 1460?

shut pasture
rose jewel
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i'll leave it to you guys, ima keep farming honki

maiden locust
amber totem
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star rail DESPAIR

timber mauve
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Do whatever you want, but just know it costs an immense amount of money to hone any noticeable amount.

amber totem
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So the way that the honing buffs you are talking about work are for alt characters

rose wren
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didn't hink there's honing research at 1460+

rose jewel
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there is not

amber totem
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when your main gets to 1460 you can unlock research at the stronghold for further characters to have reduced costs

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UP TO 1460

rose jewel
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up to 1415

shut pasture
rose jewel
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for alts

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main doesnt benefit from that