lost-ark-help

[timber root]

I got 6 alts rfp, is that enough

[radiant flame]

Sure?

Enough is as many as you enjoy playing and not burn out

[crystal apex]

can i take secret maps for sea bounties from other ppl stronghold ?

[dark mica]

only if it apears in open sale

don't know if it can tho

[radiant flame]

No it cannot appear in open sale

You need the merchant yourself

[crystal apex]

thx

[maiden locust]

Anyone know what skin these horns come from? I know we don't have it yet, just curious!

[thorny wharf]

think they were part of 거짓말쟁이의 뿔 선택 팩 which was basically like 'liar's horn selection pack'. something they released with yorn back in 1.0 as part of a faux swedish culture release or something. not sure exactly, was a long time ago

don't think we will get on our release but hopefully that helps

[paper rose]

how to use providence stone

[thorny wharf]

rapport vendors in cities

you can either buy rapport gifts which are region based, or if you open the second menu you'll see that you can get avatars

[quiet tartan]

can i keep killing field bosses for cooking ingredients?

[thorny wharf]

you mean like maoke?

[quiet tartan]

yea

[thorny wharf]

gotta do it on individual days

[quiet tartan]

oof, thanks a lot!

[thorny wharf]

it sucks but it is what it is

[rain kestrel]

hello, i'm looking for a new class to play, I already have a reflux sorc, artist, mayhem zerk and MS summoner. I enjoy fast and high apm class, what would you recommend ?

[thorny wharf]

gunslinger

[rain kestrel]

i've looked into that one and apparently it requires a lot of horizontal content

[thorny wharf]

it mostly requires galeforces

but it also requires skill potions

[rain kestrel]

what about skill points ?

[thorny wharf]

and tbh you're griefing yourself on any class you play if you don't have those

[smoky dove]

i don't see reapers in brel pf, does it get gatekept or not many play it?

[rain kestrel]

yeah

i don't have much of them

[thorny wharf]

it was quite a late addition class, so only people who planned to main it for a long time or people with a lot of funding and were able to push something else to one side in their main 6 are playing it in high lobbies

i have a lot of friends with reapers in 1560+ range

and tbh it's a fun class

also high apm @rain kestrel

[smoky dove]

i want to play it but im afraid id get gatekept

[thorny wharf]

hm

i mean you'd get gatekept for reasons independent of the fact you're a reaper i think

cards/roster level/engravings/etc

[rain kestrel]

I'm also interested in reapers but i'm nbot entirely sure i'm good enough to play that lol

[thorny wharf]

any person hosting a pf group who actually knows what they're doing isn't gonna gatekeep based on 'he's a reaper'

[smoky dove]

are 4x3 and level 5 gems enought for brel normal?

[thorny wharf]

um

you'd get gatekept for that

most likely

the only way you're getting in with level 5 gems is if you're on 250+ roster

i think

[smoky dove]

whats the recommended req for brel?

[thorny wharf]

i mean if you're talking about playing with friends, it doesn't really matter

but for average partyfinder experience, i really think you want 7s

infact, unless you have other exceptional outliers then you're not even gonna get looked at without 7s i don't think

thing is i'm hearing that gatekeeping is getting exponentially worse in EU right now

people want 10x gate 6 clear title just for normal 1-2 groups

and bussing is like 8k gold minimum on EU so even just to do 1-2 passively you have to spend a lot more than what you get back

[smoky dove]

what about engravings?

[thorny wharf]

5x3

pretty much no exception here unless you are support and support population is low

you can get 5x3 setup quite easily with low quality

[rain kestrel]

5*3 requires leg books

doesn't it ?

[thorny wharf]

no

[frank beacon]

all depends on your stone

[thorny wharf]

you can do +12 and +9

and getting +12 in 1 slot isn't too expensive unless you're going for grudge or whatever

[rain kestrel]

so leg books anyway

[thorny wharf]

but in reality gatekeeping in this game is awful and barrier to entry is disgusting

[rain kestrel]

if you're not going for +12 class engravings it gets REALLY expensive, at least here in EU

[thorny wharf]

i think in reality

you might wanna look at doing learning parties

i have friends who join learning parties on 1580+ characters just because they enjoy helping other people out and enjoy playing their characters

but unfortunately they're all in 1-2 hard lockouts now

but idk what the alternative is other than having the gold to get through it

[smoky dove]

you cant be doing learning parties forever

[thorny wharf]

no of course

but you won't be poor forever either

[smoky dove]

once you get title raid becomes easy

[frank beacon]

i mean all depends on your class too

there is many work arounds for a 5*3

[thorny wharf]

most people with title are dogshit tho

so that's not really true

[frank beacon]

true but

western players dont care

[thorny wharf]

even people with addicted to delight can be awful

[frank beacon]

its a requirement they have in their head

[smoky dove]

no way XD

[frank beacon]

title = must be better

[rain kestrel]

assuming i have a 7/7 gem, what do you recommend ?

[frank beacon]

just how westerners think

[smoky dove]

oh you mean buying accounts

[thorny wharf]

you have no idea how many ppl bought pilots for addicted to delight

not buying accounts

buying service

[frank beacon]

gimme some screenshots of your stone & what you wanna aim for

[thorny wharf]

i was doing some work 2 weeks ago and i got a valtan hard bus on 2nd monitor from an addicted to delight 1540 in a DUO

they wiped 4 times on gate 2 valtan

actual rodents

so ye

title =/= good player

and you have to consider that so many people bussed their way to 10 clears

just paid for bus 10 times til they had title

[frank beacon]

its just how western brains work

KR thats not rlly a thing here

way bigger requirements

[rain kestrel]

so i'd like to go Mayhem, grudge, masters tenacity, kbw, and either RC or CD

how would I proceed ?

[frank beacon]

gotcha

lemme look at some market prices for you

[thorny wharf]

which server are you on

[frank beacon]

& see if i can find a cheap work around

EUC

[rain kestrel]

Ealyn 🙂

[frank beacon]

p sure

[thorny wharf]

is that EUC or NA

[frank beacon]

EUW??

[thorny wharf]

or EUW

[frank beacon]

[rain kestrel]

yes sir 🥲

[thorny wharf]

wait

which one

[frank beacon]

EUW players exist?

[thorny wharf]

sijel

[rain kestrel]

we do

[thorny wharf]

we probably can't help you if you are on EUW

[rain kestrel]

and we suffer for it

[frank beacon]

holy

[thorny wharf]

we all think of EUW players like fossils

[frank beacon]

bro probs gets charged 30k for books

yall live in the dark ages

[rain kestrel]

lemme check mayhem books 😄

[thorny wharf]

god

[frank beacon]

dude i thought EUW didnt gatekeep bc

[thorny wharf]

i don't even wanna think about being on EUW

[frank beacon]

they legit couldnt

[thorny wharf]

lmao

[rain kestrel]

7k leg mayhem books

[frank beacon]

never know when you’ll get another application there

7k is p high tbf

[thorny wharf]

EUW are basically like the military camp in a post apocalyptic movie

[frank beacon]

whats your grudge at

[thorny wharf]

they need each other greatly

7k isn't high

in the grand scheme of things

but it depends on how the rest of the economy functions

[rain kestrel]

15k for grudge

[frank beacon]

GG

[thorny wharf]

but just from gold generating sources, 7k is affordable

grudge you have no hope

lmao

[frank beacon]

we can agree 15k grudge is insane

[thorny wharf]

but getting even low quality accessories is probably dog

fuck man

if i reinstall lost ark i'm gonna play on EUW

[frank beacon]

i think grudge in NA is like. 5k…

in NAW

[thorny wharf]

EUW sounds like a fucking wild ride

[frank beacon]

I mean

[thorny wharf]

grudge on EUC is like 11k last time i checked

[frank beacon]

whole of EU in shambles

https://loa-todo.com/engrave

[thorny wharf]

full bloom is highest class engraving at 9k or so

[frank beacon]

use this to help build but

honestly for EUW

i dont think any way around would be chesp

[rain kestrel]

basically to get 4*3 you have to play with leg accessory for class engraving OR pay a lot of gold or put your class engraving twice in char profile

[thorny wharf]

brother

i can see why people are 4x3 andies on EUW

that's wild

[frank beacon]

NAW & Korea have the only remotely respectable markets on the game man

EU is COOKED

[rain kestrel]

full bloom is only 7.5k here

[thorny wharf]

look at that

EUW > EUC

[frank beacon]

only

[thorny wharf]

much cleaner economy

[frank beacon]

like 4k in NAW man

[thorny wharf]

brother

full bloom

[quiet tartan]

bought grudge books when they were 14k

[thorny wharf]

literally like 9500

on EUC

[frank beacon]

EU actually cooked

i just play KR & NAW man

[thorny wharf]

@frank beacon did you play on launch

[frank beacon]

EU is like a fever dream

yeah

[thorny wharf]

do you remember launch book prices

NAW 50k grudge

[frank beacon]

ive played for years on Korea

[thorny wharf]

lmao

[frank beacon]

& i played day 1 on NA

[thorny wharf]

disgusting

[frank beacon]

dude ngl

[thorny wharf]

i played on korea on beta release

was fun

[frank beacon]

in all my years on Korea

i couldnt tell u when grudge was

that expensive

[thorny wharf]

i miss acrasium

ngl

[frank beacon]

[quiet tartan]

oh so you played aeromancer before

cool.

[frank beacon]

i have one

[quiet tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/out-of-balance-failarmy-fall-down-out-of-control-too-heavy-gif-18364618

[thorny wharf]

i mean tbf

on russia

backstabbing master books were 10k+ each for purples

[frank beacon]

have a p built aero

[rain kestrel]

kbw books are 5.5k

[thorny wharf]

back when you would get them from sol grande

[frank beacon]

its not what i main but it’s probably my favorite class in the game @quiet tartan

[quiet tartan]

[frank beacon]

have the most fun on aero

doing prokel on aero

zooming around

[quiet tartan]

you play drizzle or windfury

[frank beacon]

i have a full 5*3+1 for both

[quiet tartan]

different stones?

[frank beacon]

ye

two 9/7s

actually no

[quiet tartan]

thought id cut hit master adrenaline to play both

[frank beacon]

yeah idk

aero is cheap

tbh

im a slayer main in korea so

grand scheme everything is cheaper

[thorny wharf]

ye korea is cheap af

most people have been sitting on bis accs for months and months

[frank beacon]

i mean tbf. KR is cheap for

alot

but

[thorny wharf]

engravings aren't really something they care much for because they mostly all have them by now

[rain kestrel]

To go back to original discussion, IDK how to get 5*3 without spending at least 100k on just books

[frank beacon]

Slayer first month cost me 5-10million

[thorny wharf]

@rain kestrel that's the reality of it sadly

you can't really avoid math

[frank beacon]

not possible man really

on EUW

[thorny wharf]

we don't have a way to magic a 5x3 without spending

we can cut corners for sure

but you do need to do the mandatory steps

which is having book foundation

[frank beacon]

its either spend 100k on books or. spend 100k on mayhem accessories over there

[thorny wharf]

ya

[rain kestrel]

fun fact

[frank beacon]

gotta bite the bullet on one of them rlly

[thorny wharf]

i think the real answer is to quit EUW and just start fresh on EUC

[rain kestrel]

quite a few people get leg accessories with class engraving to cut cost

[thorny wharf]

sadly

not surprised to be honest with you

on a ring, you don't lose THAT much

but

[frank beacon]

i mean honestly idk prices in EUW

[thorny wharf]

having a legendary accessory means you need +12 +12

[frank beacon]

i just know its a mess

i just spent like.. 250k on

4 slayer accessories

in NAW

[thorny wharf]

idk man

i feel bad for anyone on EUW

[frank beacon]

[thorny wharf]

AGS baited everyone so hard

[rain kestrel]

honestly

[thorny wharf]

with the EUW creation

it was so fucking stupid

[frank beacon]

they just need a merge

itll happen eventually

[thorny wharf]

they won't merge tho

[rain kestrel]

I have to say i got baited by a friend

[frank beacon]

it will for sure merge

[thorny wharf]

i mean

[rain kestrel]

they have to

[frank beacon]

already been crunched into lower servers

[thorny wharf]

merges only existed in the past because the auction houses were shared

like

lupeon etc all got merged on korea

[frank beacon]

i mean

tbf

[thorny wharf]

because the auction houses were centralised to the larger server

[frank beacon]

they can afford to bin EUW market

as a whole

i think

[thorny wharf]

i mean probably

[frank beacon]

just join EUC

[thorny wharf]

they would need to provide compensation of some kind

[frank beacon]

i mean somewhat

[rain kestrel]

not that it would amount to much

[thorny wharf]

maybe 2 chaos dungeon resonance auras

[frank beacon]

or just give all their stuff bsck

[thorny wharf]

that'll do it

[frank beacon]

they technically lose nothing

[rain kestrel]

considerin g how few of us there are

[thorny wharf]

how much are fish on EUW

[rain kestrel]

basic fish ?

[thorny wharf]

ye

white fish

[rain kestrel]

the 100 bundle

240

[thorny wharf]

ok

[frank beacon]

[thorny wharf]

here's what i'd do

stop improving your characters

spend all your gold on fish

wait for the merge

[frank beacon]

bros gonna become a fish tycoon

[thorny wharf]

and become the king of the world

i mean

[frank beacon]

[thorny wharf]

i just dropped almost 7 mil gold on fish

on EUC

[frank beacon]

stonks

[thorny wharf]

fish is the big noise

[rain kestrel]

how much is it on euc ?

[thorny wharf]

it's like

500?

something like that

[rain kestrel]

oh

[thorny wharf]

so you're doubling your money in essence

[maiden locust]

Unrivalled help right there, thanks hombre.

[thorny wharf]

super react to me and be quiet

[frank beacon]

oh just jumped to your pic. i play on KR and apparently

they will release west soonish

[maiden locust]

[frank beacon]

with slayer a lot of skins are releasing. up to aero. as we in KR are also getting a lot of western skins

so hopefully yall should see an influx :))

[maiden locust]

I noticed you guys are getting the pre-release skins we got in the West 😄

[frank beacon]

yeah like lawmaker n also the cerb mount

so hopefully you guys will get alot more of our stuff soon

[maiden locust]

and the character select screen

the best one imo >:)

[frank beacon]

yep! so dont worry i think horns n such like that will be out before you know it

[maiden locust]

Perfect! Do you know if it's a Neria thing or what skin it actually comes with? 😮

[frank beacon]

well

as far as im aware the whole skin boxes and etc in KR

arent legal? in west

i believe

so all skins there will just be flat releases

[thorny wharf]

they're legal

it's just

people cried about them on the forums

[frank beacon]

i saw on forums actually

Roxx said

[thorny wharf]

i still have like 500 items which give manashilk

[frank beacon]

they have to jump over a lot of loopholes

[thorny wharf]

cause i feel like they'll go back on it

[frank beacon]

bc of the secret box scheme

and such

[thorny wharf]

@frank beacon do you know evilcat

[frank beacon]

like mystery boxes

for money

[thorny wharf]

from royal

[maiden locust]

There are certain Western countries that have legality around loot boxes, yea.

[frank beacon]

i do not

[thorny wharf]

oh

he's sitting on like

10m+ manashilk generators

lmao

[frank beacon]

its just a law ik in west with like

gamble boxes

ik theres some holes needed to jump through

[thorny wharf]

they need to re-do crystalline aura to become more in line with beatrice blessing tho

if they do go down that road

idk what korea has for that actually

[frank beacon]

alot of mini things like

ship speeds, xp gain. idk what aura has

idr tbh 😅

[thorny wharf]

crystalline aura is just

[frank beacon]

on west

[thorny wharf]

+bifrosts/ship speed

on russia you get

lifeskill potions / ship speed / bifrosts / manashilk / epona instant completes

amongst some other things

like battle item boxes or whatever

just have to be logged in for 90 minutes a day

then every 14 days you can use jar

[thorny wharf]

those are universal conditions mostly

[frank beacon]

yeah do u guys not get like

the daily gifts and such

[thorny wharf]

EU gets fucking nothing

like

literally nothing

RU and KR is way more generous with it

[frank beacon]

no gifts? D:

[thorny wharf]

nope

nothing

[frank beacon]

u also dont even get increased sailing speed

[thorny wharf]

nah

you get the sailing speed

like 1.9 knots or some shit

but it's not like people sail much nowadays anyway

so it's an irrelevant bonus for the most part

it was good in the opening weeks

[frank beacon]

we get things like

rapport

tools

[thorny wharf]

ye

[frank beacon]

food

[thorny wharf]

do you get silk?

[frank beacon]

unas complete stuff

uhhh

[thorny wharf]

on 6th gift

should be like

choice between lifeskill/silk/instant complete

[frank beacon]

honestly last time i bought i jus rmbr i got on the lifeskill part

was unas instant complete

and a box with tools but

u got like x75?

idr

[thorny wharf]

um

ye

that was a long time ago tho

back when you didn't have bound tools

[frank beacon]

yes

[thorny wharf]

and you just had blue/green tools

and blue gave you +1 skill

before they reworked lifeskill entirely

[frank beacon]

i dont pay any longer

[thorny wharf]

man

in those days

[frank beacon]

[thorny wharf]

when you could only specialise in 1 lifeskill

and if you didn't go mining you were cucked

[frank beacon]

lul

[thorny wharf]

2000 flowers on liebeheim to get lifeskill set

🤮

[frank beacon]

was like 2-3 years ago

[thorny wharf]

was season 1

[frank beacon]

i mean even hearing theres no full gift scheme

is kinda whack

[thorny wharf]

back when you could go like 1750 agility in LTS

and just have endless cooldown reset on infighter

xd

[frank beacon]

how much is it

there

[thorny wharf]

currently?

750

you go 750/249/1

standard meta

[frank beacon]

[thorny wharf]

in RU before EU came out it was 1000/249/1 meta

it's a madness

[maiden locust]

we have login events that are very generous, we don't really need more 😮

[thorny wharf]

they have that too

infact

they have better rewards from that

[frank beacon]

yea got moreso

LOL

[thorny wharf]

and they also get more from event vendors

they get more of everything

in every part of the game

the only thing EU gets more of is legendary selection packs

[maiden locust]

well it doesn't really matter to you, go whale some more fish and relax 🙂

[frank beacon]

[thorny wharf]

imagine being bitter

about my wonderful fish

[frank beacon]

fishing is slave trade in korea

[thorny wharf]

ye

how much is fish in kr

[frank beacon]

only ppl who sell gold to buy food do that

need to check

like base?

[thorny wharf]

i don't think fish got anywhere close to EU price for fish

white ones

[frank beacon]

100g

[thorny wharf]

lol

ye

that's 500 on eu

it'll be more like 700 with akkan maybe

unless bots come back

[frank beacon]

LOL

wtf

[thorny wharf]

yeah

[frank beacon]

what ab like

[thorny wharf]

i was sitting on a load of fish

[frank beacon]

goldfish

the sun carp

[thorny wharf]

um

those right now are not worth too much

but they will go up once esther becomes more whale friendly territory

[frank beacon]

2gold here

[thorny wharf]

ye

they were like idk

4 on ru?

4~6

atm they stabalise around 25 or so on EU

[frank beacon]

do u guys have expensive master craft kits

[thorny wharf]

40-50k

fluctuates

[frank beacon]

💀

5-15k

[thorny wharf]

infact

i'm surprised they didn't go up much

because they were 40-50k like 6~7 months ago too

i thought they woulda gone up relative to the increased cost of lifeskill mats

the thing is

you gotta keep in mind

EU has a lot more average whales than KR does

it also has a LOT more RMTers

(hence how many bots we had)

and no motherfuckers are doing lifeskilling

[frank beacon]

thats incorrect

KR rmt problem is

100x bigger than west

[thorny wharf]

KR never had an RMT problem in the way EU does

naah

[frank beacon]

just not botted gold

[thorny wharf]

pilots?

[frank beacon]

bc bots are purge

nah man

[thorny wharf]

oh

[frank beacon]

self farmed gold like

[thorny wharf]

just like

player to player gold

[frank beacon]

RMT is huge

[thorny wharf]

no because we have that too

a lot of my friends have quit the game this year and sold like 40+ level 10 gems

and just cashed out for a few thousand

[frank beacon]

i doubt u guys have the same whales tho

[thorny wharf]

we have more average whales

[frank beacon]

CN players here

[thorny wharf]

you have more ultra whales

majority of CN players that are whaling are on RU

[frank beacon]

like $500k-1mill

or so

[thorny wharf]

KR yeeted the fuck out of CN players

[frank beacon]

i just checked

[thorny wharf]

after they did the queue login skip

[frank beacon]

grudge in korea is at 9k

[thorny wharf]

tbh

KR was the one region which was the harshest on the chinese

they had no tolerance for that

RU was a lot more CN friendly for sure

[frank beacon]

yea i mean

on inven n stuff

cn whales r like

mega hated

[thorny wharf]

not surprising

[rain kestrel]

do you guys get japanese players in kr ?

[thorny wharf]

on EU people have come to accept that everyone has +25 glow

and RMT is just part of the landscape

[frank beacon]

few

[thorny wharf]

if you go chaos gate, the amount of 25 glows you see is ridiculous

[frank beacon]

JP players are def more accepted

yeaaa i mean

[thorny wharf]

JP had their own region

but they had the most egregious yorn patch ever

[frank beacon]

some KR players have like. 12 alts all with akkan 25

[thorny wharf]

so safe to say no one plays there

🤮

[frank beacon]

few people have ester +8 weapons x2

[thorny wharf]

i think we will see that here

one guy in my guild will probs go 2x +8

[frank beacon]

wont be for another year

or so

[thorny wharf]

he's a giga whale

and plays the game all the time

[frank beacon]

not enough energy on market

for that

in west

[thorny wharf]

ya

but

i mean in time

not right this second

[frank beacon]

yeah for surr

like i said peobs estimate like a year

some bards have ester 8 in kr

[thorny wharf]

i mean

no bard shaming please

stupid blade mains

if i was gonna esther i'd do it on a bard too

[frank beacon]

ester 8 bard

[thorny wharf]

😠

[fluid seal]

Hello, does rest bonus give you 100% extra reward?

[rain kestrel]

yes

[thorny wharf]

yes

playing the game without rested bonus is a bait

don't do it

[fluid seal]

i mean 100% of the dungeon reward or the drops too?

[rain kestrel]

everything

even works with una dailies if i'm not mistaken$

[fluid seal]

so its better to stack rest bonus right?

[thorny wharf]

yes

[rain kestrel]

depends

[thorny wharf]

playing without rested is gonna burn you out

unless you just play 1 char

or maybe 2

[rain kestrel]

if you do dailies once every 3 days it's like 66.6% effiency compared to everyday

[maiden locust]

Essentially don't rest your main(s) but feel free to rest alts.

[thorny wharf]

rest your mains too

[frank beacon]

daily slavery

[thorny wharf]

unless you wanna play the game 6 hours a day

then you do you booboo

[frank beacon]

actin like can do anything else every day after fomo reset

[timber root]

Chores

[maiden locust]

if it takes you an hour on average to do 2xchaos 2xhanamutan and 3x unas, then im shook

[thorny wharf]

most people i know generally do everything on rested, and skip all events like chaos gate etc

otherwise they rather uninstall

[timber root]

Burnouts happens to weaklings, 6 hours a day is childplay

[thorny wharf]

true wooty

very true

[pseudo atlas]

rest literally whatever you want to, it's a video game

[thorny wharf]

that too

[maiden locust]

or just dont have a job so you can play lost ark all day

[thorny wharf]

just doing 6x brel a week is aids enough

let alone clown + 1 valtan bus

or whatever you decide to do

[timber root]

Start your own shit, an online business, have lost ark open in the background, kill 2 stones with one bird

[thorny wharf]

you can do same with a job tho

depending on what it is

[maiden locust]

I'm quite talented at doing my chaos dungeons at work

[timber root]

Respecccc

[timber root]

Anything on the computer would do, id assume

Work related

[thorny wharf]

yeah or class teacher

fuck their tuition

i got my laptop

[maiden locust]

or maybe just sit at home and dont work at all, best bet

[thorny wharf]

if that works for you then all power to you ✊

[maiden locust]

in my 30s living with my parents playing lost ark

living the dream

[thorny wharf]

don't forget to shower

[maiden locust]

dont wanna smell bad for the egirls im tryna hit on

[thorny wharf]

nose like dhalsim

[timber root]

My man has that 4dx fragrance

[blazing wave]

I'm going insane... let me get this straight... in order to get a Giant heart I need to increase my Rapport with Beatrice. I need to finish a quest for her... this quest requires the Whistle Emote - for the whistle emote I need to finish the Azure Wind Island Questchains which includes about 30 quests - idk how to unlock the needed Unas Task on the island but I assume it requires the hidden quest as well..
Now the hidden quest requires the Song of Spring which I don't event know where to get ... jesus christ I just wanted a giant heart....

[thorny wharf]

yes

new player experience is dogshit

[blazing badger]

Harmony Island for Song of Spring

[thorny wharf]

we had a big discussion about this in our guild discord recently

[blazing wave]

it's insane

[thorny wharf]

you're going to find this happen a lot

whether you're going for giants hearts / skill points / masterpieces / island souls / whatever it may be

[blazing badger]

err not song of spring but the one you need

song of spring is shangra

[thorny wharf]

but new player retention is at the mercy of all of these weird gatekeeping long-ass progressions

although

i think they're bringing a rework to it soon

so i'd say don't worry about that stuff massively for now

might be with akkan patch iirc?

[blazing wave]

I mean am at a point qhere I neeed to go for skillpoints

[thorny wharf]

yeah

i feel your pain dw

[blazing badger]

heavenly harmony ** is the song you need, from Harmony Island. if you use the codex you can find the location of anything you need

[blazing wave]

sorry for the rant xD thanks though ❤️

[thorny wharf]

that stuff takes a long time and a lot of characters even

like visiting tooki island for a month

have fun with that

[thorny wharf]

ya

codex is very informative

[blazing wave]

idk if I need the hidden quest on azure island for the unas task? but I cant find the unas task atm

[blazing badger]

really? I could swear it was heavenly harmony. if it is song of spring that's shangra

[thorny wharf]

iirc isn't whistle used for the nagi rapport chain too?

[blazing wave]

heavenly harmony is for the normal quests

[frigid flare]

do both vykas phase 1 demons have the same amount of hp?

[thorny wharf]

@blazing wave you can expect horizontal content to take you 3 months roughly if you focus on it

[blazing wave]

yeah I need to get on that :S parking characters at unas tasks and rapports and stuff

[thorny wharf]

there are so many hurdles which are being barricaded by emotes/songs/whatever

and those become available after completing una reputations

[blazing wave]

I'm kinda suprised people have been doing this xD seems like a horrible chore

[thorny wharf]

pwell

i did mine starting february last year

[blazing badger]

it's fun in a kind of satisfying way

[blazing wave]

than again you cant tell how many skillpoints someone has right?

[thorny wharf]

no it's not

xd

it's frustrating

and i hated doing it

[radiant flame]

DPS meter

[thorny wharf]

it's more relief than satisfaction

[blazing badger]

there's no visible way no

[thorny wharf]

@blazing wave you can't tell, no, but it doesn't feel good to play a weak character

if you're just asking from a gatekeeping pov though, no

[blazing wave]

true^^

[radiant flame]

Mainly this

[thorny wharf]

you can get away with having less skillpoints on some characters

that don't care as much about having level 12 skills

bards don't really give much of a shit

but gunslinger wants level 12 on so many things

[wise blade]

hi, what do i price this at?

[thorny wharf]

250 gold

[radiant flame]

Hi. Search the auction house

Reduce quality. Have a guess

[wise blade]

there is none

[thorny wharf]

look at recent prices

[radiant flame]

Reduce quality to 10

[thorny wharf]

look at rings with just swiftness

[blazing wave]

on a similar note - level progression on my characters... idk but it feels all my chars are progressing evenly - should I focus more on one? I'm about 500h in and this is what it looks like

[thorny wharf]

look at earrings with just swiftness

[blazing wave]

how long does it take to hit 60?

[thorny wharf]

then look at what crit earrings go for for a class that uses raid captian and keen blunt

then guestimate

[frank beacon]

few months

for 1st level 60

[timber mauve]

People’s first level 60 takes a few months.

[thorny wharf]

nice scuba mask

how your characters progress is contingent on a few things

[blazing wave]

taking a few months just doing the daily / weekly grind?

[thorny wharf]

but ideally, you would have wanted to push ONE character to 1460 and left everything else to wait until you accomplished that

[radiant flame]

Also fwiw very few classes go RC and KBW

[thorny wharf]

this is because of honing research in your stronghold

giving you +10% baseline across your roster

and reduced shard cost

the only real benefit to pushing one character is for account wide unlocks in such a fashion

[blazing wave]

Took a while till I found a character that clicked^^

[thorny wharf]

other than that, you do you my guy

[radiant flame]

So don’t expect that to sell very quickly

[frank beacon]

doesnt zerker go kbw rc

mayhem

[thorny wharf]

i believe so

[radiant flame]

Yes

I can’t think of much else

[thorny wharf]

and they go crit swift too

[timber mauve]

Think that’s about it.

Oh yeah, crit swift.

But that’s like the only class I can think of.

[thorny wharf]

i mean

[radiant flame]

PS SH can do

[thorny wharf]

doesn't control lance master go kbw rc?

[radiant flame]

If they don’t go entropy

[thorny wharf]

first intention too

[radiant flame]

No

[hidden lark]

Is the 2nd floor of the manor not available? Says I need to research Manor Floor 2 but that research doesn’t exist?

[radiant flame]

Entropy

So no KBW

[thorny wharf]

i'm like

fairly positive first intention is crit/swift KBW/RC

[hybrid marsh]

yeah first character takes the longest with just exp from dungeons and raids, but the rest catch up fairly quickly with stronghold research for bonus exp and stronghold training. be sure to buy exp pots from weekly pirate coin vendor and guild vendor

[radiant flame]

FI goes MI?

[timber mauve]

Just search under all researches rather than only unlocked ones. It should tell you what you need.

[frank beacon]

bro

wait

[hidden lark]

Yeah, it’s not there.

[thorny wharf]

i haven't played FI since last year some time

[frank beacon]

@wise blade

[thorny wharf]

but we played RC/KBW/crit/swift

[frank beacon]

its actually an expensive piece

LOL

[thorny wharf]

yeah

also

[frank beacon]

not 250 gold

[thorny wharf]

esoteric plays it too

[frank beacon]

who tf said 250 gold

[timber mauve]

It’s definitely there since I have the research.

[frank beacon]

[thorny wharf]

i mean i was meming when i said 250gold

i basically meant

'i don't know'

lmao

[radiant flame]

^ 250g is obviously a meme

[frank beacon]

ik i did xdd

dw

[thorny wharf]

i'm joking tho

[frank beacon]

its like

[thorny wharf]

it is 250g

[frank beacon]

50-70k

[thorny wharf]

eh

depends on region

[hidden lark]

Well, “Manor Floor 2” isn’t there but “Manor Lv. 2” is completed. But I can’t walk upstairs

[frank beacon]

as far as recent sold go

[thorny wharf]

could be worth more honestly

[radiant flame]

But literally 1-2 classes use it

[rain jetty]

the legendary "pet reskin option", i got the old twitch drop helgachu pet in yellow like a year ago and would like to change its colour to one of the other options can i do it with this?

[frank beacon]

hes NAE so

50-70k

[thorny wharf]

ah ok

[radiant flame]

Doesn’t matter how rare it is lol. If one person wants it 🤷🏻‍♂️

[frank beacon]

@wise blade 50-70k ish. but could be slightly more

could be less

i mean. legit 5 have sold here

in the last week

around that

[timber mauve]

Send a screenshot of your research tab.

[frank beacon]

some ppl are idiots and are buying KBW Raid cap for slayer

even tho KBW for slayer is awful

[thorny wharf]

um

where's my slayer sheet

[frank beacon]

do not even try convince kbw is worth over cd

on slayer

[thorny wharf]

i only did a pred

slayer

this is what i landed on tho

[frank beacon]

thats ab right'

for pred

however

id drop the adrenaline

[thorny wharf]

the big but

eh i mean

adrenaline is always a safe bet for a x1

[thorny wharf]

sure

provide stone

and we can talk about it

[frank beacon]

i mean if this is what u are aiming for

[thorny wharf]

i ain't aiming for anything

i don't even have the game installed

xd

[frank beacon]

kekw

[thorny wharf]

i was just helping my friends out

[frank beacon]

yeah adrenaline ppl dont rlly run

on pred in kr

some do

but mostly MG

[thorny wharf]

yeah

man

my names for everything ingame are so fucked

i still use like

40% of the ru names

the fact i read MG as mass increase is weird

[frank beacon]

if u rlly wanna run

adrenaline

[thorny wharf]

eh i just feel like

[frank beacon]

id do it this way

[thorny wharf]

unless you are banking on a 9-7 you can fuck cursed doll off

[lavish grove]

The Ultimate Sorceress Infoset

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​

Sorceress Community Guide

This information was created by community members · Apr 30, 2023, 3:30 PM

[frank beacon]

ok so

no CD

[thorny wharf]

i'm pretty sure

CD lvl 2 and MG lvl 2 are quite comparable on attack poer increase

off the top of my head

[frank beacon]

close enough yea

but im js like

idk

for ur friend

[thorny wharf]

thing is

[frank beacon]

scrap predator

go exe

[thorny wharf]

for 5x3+2 vs 5x3+1

[frank beacon]

[thorny wharf]

you ain't gonna go MG 1 or CD 1

so you go adre

[grave widget]

im doing some hm vykas in pugs and is there some sort of system for medusa? didnt see anything in guides and no one discusses it in parties, is it just like P1 nad p2 leaders or smth if ppl need to look?

[frank beacon]

adre 1 is also so pointless tho

imo

[thorny wharf]

eh

it's better than nothing

[radiant flame]

Yes. You call 1-1,1-2 etc

[frank beacon]

you TS it

in pugs

[thorny wharf]

don't tell me

you run ether pred 1

[frank beacon]

easier to timestop medusa mech for pugs

[radiant flame]

1-1 means you look 1st Medusa 1st wing

[thorny wharf]

people on EUC are hard coping over EP1

it's actually

so dumb

[frank beacon]

for slayer no

[thorny wharf]

nah just in general

[frank beacon]

id just go exe man

[grave widget]

people arent calling anything is why i was confused

[thorny wharf]

as a x1

[radiant flame]

1-2 second wing

[grave widget]

i guess just ts

[thorny wharf]

like

[frank beacon]

its bc pugs expect ts

yea

[thorny wharf]

why would you ever go EP 1

[radiant flame]

If they don’t call you TS

[thorny wharf]

by the time it takes to stack up EP 1 fight is already over

and the downtime you have collecting it's just not worth it

[radiant flame]

Maybe take some of the slayer discussion to #slayer

[frank beacon]

idr the last time i did a pug vykas with actual medusa mech done

[thorny wharf]

for the extremely diminutive attack poewr gains

better to go HA1 than EP1

[frank beacon]

am done now anyway, was just sharing kr insight

for the building

[thorny wharf]

i mean

[frank beacon]

alot of west players dont seem to know what to build

[thorny wharf]

🤔

[frank beacon]

tagged slayer chat

lul

[thorny wharf]

yeah

i figured

xd

[frank beacon]

idk. u get nowhere talking in slayer chat

[zealous star]

yo whats the most profitable platinum field?

[thorny wharf]

it's just full of coomers

[radiant flame]

Foraging in naruns domain

[zealous star]

Nahuns or old yudian channel

[radiant flame]

With foraging 30

[timber mauve]

Coomer here

[thorny wharf]

hi coomer

[radiant flame]

Only with foraging 30

[zealous star]

so its still foraging despite the relic and meat price?

[frank beacon]

that are clueless ab the class yea

[radiant flame]

Yes

[thorny wharf]

i'd rather talk to a coomer than someone who insults me about my fish

[frank beacon]

yea RFP is 100% correct

[radiant flame]

Foraging is so fast

That’s the only reason

[timber root]

Up would u destroy this Koko in a 1v1?

[zealous star]

ok

[radiant flame]

You’re time limited in plat field

[thorny wharf]

15 minutes in plat field

but in general

the herbing/logging/mining one was always bis

but with current EU prices

[frank beacon]

yes.

[thorny wharf]

idk man

[radiant flame]

It’s still foraging

[thorny wharf]

you should test to see how much excavation or fish you can get from the other one

[radiant flame]

You can’t do anything else as quickly

[thorny wharf]

and then compare that to a 100% dedicated foraging run

cause fish and exca prices are through the roof atm to the point that you might be able to out-value it

[radiant flame]

It’s closer for sure.

[thorny wharf]

i honestly think you might be better off doing fishing one

than foraging

especially if you get a bad turn-in run on foraging

sometimes you can get buttfucked by turnin RNG

[radiant flame]

You can

[grave widget]

if you dont have foraging 30 is it not even wroth doing the plat fields

[frank beacon]

not really

best saving them'

[thorny wharf]

what level is quick fingers

isn't it 20?

i mean tbh i wouldn't even do plat fields unless you have a really good tool and are closer to level 40

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zealous star]

I got foraging 30

Ill try a platinum field with foraging

and one with fishing

but I cant find guides with the fishing one

[radiant flame]

That’s because there isn’t one

You are just fishing without having to worry about life energy

It’s bad, trust me

Excavation if you want

This is because fishing is the lowest efficiency for life energy/time

So you’re just fishing for 15 minutes which is…just okay

Obviously not “bad” but just…not optimal 🤷🏻‍♂️

[zealous star]

so excavation would be the most optimal in the other platinum field

esepecially if I ace the minigames

[open pecan]

anyone know why I can't interact with Levi in Feiton to do rapport?

[weak linden]

can somebody help me remember what have I to do on lost ark? I played again from 2 years off and I can't remember nothing

[haughty hound]

what is the priority to buy on event shop?

[weak linden]

I'm 1100.00 of gear lvl and idk

[astral root]

do Punika if you haven't

[snow wadi]

Is honing Brel HM wepon to +20 a higher chance than a NM Brel wepon?

[astral root]

complete Berver's Friend questline

[weak linden]

I'm completing world quests

idk If are these

And I'm on Nia village rn

[astral root]

yep keep doing those

[timber root]

The /dance /greet is so needed, truly gives the players an immersive experience

[weak linden]

What is it for?

[astral root]

your next gear set at 1302

[weak linden]

I really can't remember nothing

I just remembered doing the daily quests and dungeons.

[astral root]

check the tasks menu in game and get a refresher on everything

basically the same but you now add weekly raids into the mix

welcome to the grind, there's an express event when you hit 1340 to help you get to 1445

[lavish grove]

The Ultimate Gunslinger Infoset

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​

Gunslinger Community Guide

This information was created by community members · Apr 30, 2023, 3:58 PM

[weak linden]

thank you

I was thinking about redoing the character from 0 but then I remembered all those traumas I went through to climb up to lv 50

[astral root]

the Berver's friend questline is so you can get a punika pass that lets you get another character finished with the Punika story

[weak linden]

[astral root]

I MEAN

there is a story express

if you wanna make another character

pretty good value for new/returning players who need/want to fill out their roster

[timber mauve]

Story express is great if you got a couple days to kill.

Basically a south Vern pass for free.

Like a $70 value.

[weak linden]

huh

Oooh, I got it

It was the quest appeared on my first login?

[astral root]

mine for an example (this is found in the escape menu)

google is your friend here

this is the story express

[weak linden]

where do I find this?

[weak linden]

Yeah

[astral root]

if you press esc

the game menu comes up

[weak linden]

Ok found it

[astral root]

there's a "view all status"

[weak linden]

Top right

[astral root]

yeah

basically save your dalies until you finish the punika questline

[craggy tusk]

Is the premium ark pass worth the price? It almost feels like the amount of mats is really low for 1500 RC.

[astral root]

You'll unlock this specific chaos dungoen, you want to run it for 1302 blue gear