#lost-ark-help

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paper rose
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oh

dull palm
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should i relaunch game btw

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after

paper rose
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yes

hallow moon
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does siege event (medeia/slime) drop ancient acc if i go with a 1560 char?

hallow moon
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I messed up then PepoCry

near cove
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dw this game is never nice to us you would have ended up getting a Emergency rescue 6 Grudge 3 DOmination piece anyways :D

uneven robin
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COPIUM u can always hope

haughty hound
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i dont have gold even to post a sell order in market ;-; how to i get it to at least to post something to sell?

dull palm
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Also you cant buy for Market or Auction its telling me

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Hope they find a better way to handle bots cuz this affecting new players kinda suckkk especially for F2P

wraith basin
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tier 1 get more than 23 gold challenge (impossible)

haughty hound
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help plz ;-;

paper rose
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dont need

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gold to post i think

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Wait

near cove
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why do you need gold in the first place its like no use to t1 player

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but if you really need some do some una's tasks get the bags for gold

paper rose
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how to get gold fast i dont have life energy

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ok

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And i need Gold

river ravine
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how do you know if you can dye a skin?

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or not

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actually found it

faint pagoda
river ravine
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choas gate?

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like the south vern chaos gate?

paper rose
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Posibble to convert silver to gold???

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in any way

faint pagoda
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id be rich

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only way would be to reroll gems and try to sell higher

paper rose
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o

faint pagoda
faint pagoda
river ravine
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can i do a 5x3 engrave if i have 2x 12xbook engraving + 6/6 stone?

faint pagoda
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yes

river ravine
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dammit i was dismantling my stones that didnt meet 7/7 COPIUM

faint pagoda
paper rose
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wait

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how to buy

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chaos shard

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which npc

faint pagoda
outer mason
paper rose
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thanks

blissful solstice
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do we have a date for ebony or just a tease its coming?

sour flint
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hey, is it normal that challenge guardians are harder than for example vykas HM? or are we doing something wrong

rigid plank
timber mauve
minor briar
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thats the may patch date

minor briar
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unless its a "hard" guardian

timber mauve
brisk helm
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What should I focus on now I hv full relic on both my chars they still 4x3 with all lvl 5 gems

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And I hv most important tripods lvl 4-5

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Was thinking about 5x3 but accessories too expensive one is like 30k

radiant flame
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5x3

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its not like you can avoid it

minor briar
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ilvl?

brisk helm
minor briar
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hmm

brisk helm
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I don't play much tho

minor briar
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i would just spend gold on honing

brisk helm
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Hone till 1475?

minor briar
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to get to clown and try it out then save gold from then for either 5x3, lvl 7 gems or hone to 1490

brisk helm
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Or 1490

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Okie

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Ty

minor briar
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up to u, idk if u buy mats or use bound only or have high/low gold atm

brisk helm
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I hv lots of mats saved up

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Just not much gold

minor briar
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ye, i think u can hone now

brisk helm
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Okie ty I'll try to get 1475

heavy apex
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anyone know if fishing or relic is better for basic oreha crafting like as in effecientcy and quantity

faint pagoda
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i think with toolswapping you get more from excavatng

radiant flame
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if you know what you're doing (know where the nodes are on a map and are not competing)

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it is faster to do

rose wren
radiant flame
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and you need fewer mats to craft

rose wren
radiant flame
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its okay, but mostly competed

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rowen is probably the best

rose wren
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the times i went, weren't competed

woven wigeon
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Does anyone know if 16% AP or dmg is better? and what calculations must be made to determine it.

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Trying to determine Cursed Doll or Stabalized Status

timber mauve
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ap is additive dmg while dmg% bonus is multiplicative

hollow scroll
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stick with cursed doll

timber mauve
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but i'm dent when it comes to math so...

hollow scroll
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stabilised state is a dead engraving if you fall below 80% health so a drain on pots

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maybe its okay if you’re a ranged class

radiant flame
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its okay for blue gl only

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thats kind of it

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and that's mainly becuase they dont have anything else to take

devout granite
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can excavating/hunting tools roll super armor?

woven wigeon
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I'm trying to determine if I wanna go SS or CR on a Hallu build, ADR3, Gr3, KBW3, Barricade3, CD/SS 3, CR 1. With Brel g6 slapping so hard, the occasional pot is needed, CD hurts that; outside of that I never go below 80%.

woven wigeon
radiant flame
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er

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i'm not sure why you're on hallu

woven wigeon
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I'm not, I want to switch.

radiant flame
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i wouldn't?

woven wigeon
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Hallu is better.

radiant flame
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i highly doubt that

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you'll have mana problems for one

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anyway

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the difference means that CD basically doesn't give you 16% damage

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because it's additive with Adrenaline

woven wigeon
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Does that attribute to less than 16%, or more?

radiant flame
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less, of course

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because it's additive

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whereas SS is a 16% multiplier

elder anchor
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for brel g3 stars, u break the 2 colors she didn't show right?

woven wigeon
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So, Stabalized status with Addren is better then.

radiant flame
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it is better than CD

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but it depends if you can maintain 80% hp

woven wigeon
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yeah 80% is np.

elder anchor
# radiant flame yes

is there a time limit? cause we broke all but red (she showed red) but 3 ppl still died

woven wigeon
elder anchor
radiant flame
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i mean, the time limit for stars is quite long

woven wigeon
radiant flame
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it's not about the crit threshold - for me

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it's purely that you have severe mana issues

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even with focus runes

woven wigeon
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I run with a 100% uptime paladin.

radiant flame
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especially if you have to maintain adrenaline

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shrug. it's not enough. you generally need food as well on top

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pala mana regen is worse than bards

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and it's only on one skill. they can't maintain it all the time

smoky dove
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how much time does the tulubik battlefield take?

dark mica
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~20mins I think

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shouldn't be more

radiant flame
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anyway, i'd ask in #gunlancer but i mean, i remember what blue GL was like pre nightmare and it was...a nightmare. every time you are oom you are losing uptime and dps

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if you're actually worried about damage, blue with nightmare is also far more comfy anyway as you run CR3 Adre1/2 with ancient

devout cape
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What activities should I prioritize across 3 characters in a day with limited playtime of like 30 to 60 minutes?

hollow scroll
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standard chaos/guardian/una dailies is about it really

devout cape
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Awesome Ty

hollow scroll
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not much you can get done in an hour

devout cape
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Hence the dilema lol. Could probably go chaos dungeons and una’s

rose wren
hollow scroll
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guardians are 4-5 minutes each at most

balmy plank
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With 3 characters if you rotate doing dailies on 1 char a day everything you do will be rested. Might help with limited time

rose wren
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Stabalized status for people who can dodge for most of the fights otherwise what other have explained already

fallow acorn
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what is this thing?

rose wren
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side/ester

fallow acorn
rose wren
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read update😅

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i think its main use is pve

balmy plank
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It's useless because it costs $200k real world monies to upgrade

tender kelp
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hi hi, is anyone's vern bugged? I can't access it from the ocean liner npc + triporting from south vern

fallow acorn
hollow scroll
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go back and finish the stories you skipped

balmy plank
# fallow acorn can it be sold ? or its bound

It's bound. You get one on every char after beating hard Brel g6. It's actually just a Giga whale weapon that requires thousands and thousands of real world dollars to upgrade. It can however be powered up beyond the ilvl max so it's technically p2w stronger. I'd recommend completely ignoring it

tender kelp
hollow scroll
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yeah not since last update

tender kelp
crystal pecan
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hey guys, is it better to sell meat or craft them into fusion mats to sell them?

shut pasture
# fallow acorn can it be sold ? or its bound

It does say it right on the item itself it can't be sold, but aside from that don't worry too much about it. Its "side" content for the most part, takes a lot and I mean a lot of time to actually upgrade it and its mostly for whales. It is also not ever in any capacity necessary for normal gear progression or to do content. Again, its more "side" content than anything else.

timber mauve
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with prices in euc, i bet it's only around $75k to get +8

rose wren
crystal pecan
rose wren
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i think they do stack, u can see the limit on the information section on SH

shut pasture
twin vapor
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should I level my character to 1475 first or straight to 1490?

radiant flame
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i mean higher is always better?

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1490 is pretty nice as you can slowly get brel gear and get more free ilvls

shut pasture
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1490 is quite the hurdle, though.

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But once you pass it and start doing brel you'll comparatively skip along to like 1540

thin token
twin vapor
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yeah my original plan was staying at 1475 but idk if I'll be gatekept for being on ilvl on clown

shut pasture
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You get gatekept for a number of things so don't worry about that

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But being 1490 would mean that would be slightly less likely and you're still going to be a tad beefier and do a bit more damage so it doesn't hurt

twin vapor
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i'll probably gear up first then start honing then

shut pasture
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Yeah it is no small amount of gold to get 1490, and getting 5x3 is expensive by itself

shy hamlet
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Do i jsut throw away the 1340 gear after i transfer to 1490 gear?

minor warren
shy hamlet
timber mauve
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Stones of chaos for copium qual taps KEKL

low totem
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for wardancer does Esoteric or First Intention have more burst

radiant flame
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Esoteric

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When built for it

low totem
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ok, thank you

hallow tundra
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Quick question: how much ancient mats does brel hm drop per gate?

thin token
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should be the same @hallow tundra

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as the horns

hallow tundra
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Ty

devout granite
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saw a guide from a year ago that recommended spam crafting archeological site maps
is that still the play?

shut pasture
devout granite
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for profit from doing the maps im guessing?

shut pasture
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Oh. That was highly profitable then.

devout granite
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ahh so its no longer the case then

shut pasture
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If a guide is a year old...its highly likely it is not relevant anymore

devout granite
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what do people spend stronghold energy on nowadays?

rose wren
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idk the prices back then

shut pasture
rose wren
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fusion mats t3, i still make maps, gain abit extra honing boost stuff and chances for master craftkit

shut pasture
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Like T1/T2 gates, not T3. Was nutty.

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Could flip a map you bid 6k on into like 20k gold

sick current
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hey so Im doing the south vern quest and theres a specific location where after I went there it crashed and now when I load in it instantly crashes

faint pagoda
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?support

sage duneBOT
shut pasture
rose wren
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post on forum, they seem pretty quick to help out

blazing wave
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do you guys buy ability stones from the auction house or wait for a drop? peons are killing me :S

faint pagoda
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buy

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you only need a 6/6 for 5*3

lone sun
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maybe someone here can help me out so ive checked my quests and my dailies and i dont have anyting about the sugarpetal festival but also hytino doesnt allow me to interact with him. anyone know if maybe i had to complete something before hand to access the event?

faint pagoda
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theres 3 different ones you can do

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if you complete one reputation you cant do the old one anymore

twin vapor
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if you kill a field boss after receiving the rewards for another, does it count towards the adventure tome?

faint pagoda
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yes iirc

nimble stratus
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Just reached my 4x3, yay! Until what ilvl will it be good, and 5x3 will start to be a requirement?

faint pagoda
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1475 / 1490

devout granite
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are the reason excavating and fishing mats are so expensive because people use them to craft fusion materials?
excavating fusion materials is a net loss to craft

faint pagoda
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yes

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if you have high enough cost reduction / great success chance you can still profit

faint pagoda
devout granite
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it makes more sense for me to sell my mats and buy the fusion mats lol

faint pagoda
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yup

nimble stratus
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Good to know, thanks

faint pagoda
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totally valid way to go about it

light loom
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any estimate when there will eb a sales for those packs on steams?

timber mauve
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Have packs ever gone on sale? I don’t remember if it’s ever happened before.

light loom
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i saw someone on reddit mention they saw it

nimble stratus
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I am 1460. Should I continue honing and then take a break at let's say 1490 to prepare the 5x3? Or just start working on 5x3? 5x3 would cost me 2-3 months worth of gold stacking, on my pace and 2 characters KEKW

rose wren
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steam pack went on sale like twice, last 1 was when it discontinue

hollow scroll
rose wren
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cant remember if there were more

hollow scroll
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Clueless cant wait for no gold to 1460 in roadmap

nimble stratus
hollow scroll
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my neck was 22k shrug

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the rest was 500-1000. your biggest expense is books

nimble stratus
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Let's say I have 22k. Do I get the neck, or do I hone? That's the idea 😄

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Same for books, etc.

hollow scroll
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hone to 1475 and get your 5x3

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best of both worlds

nimble stratus
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1475 sounds like a good spot. It's Valtan HM, Vykas HM and Clown at 1475, right?

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Which should get me in with 4x3?

hollow scroll
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maybe, clown might be hard to get in to

nimble stratus
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Hmm, right

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Thanks for the answers tho 😄

blazing wave
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Is nobody playing sharpshooter? How are the books 1k when there's almost ZERO rings and stuff with Loyal Companion :/

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fucked up

astral root
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Yeah welcome to dedge class life

blazing wave
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sigh

astral root
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Just check every once in a while

hollow scroll
astral root
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Start saving for LC books

hollow scroll
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i had to wait 3 weeks for a 3/3 acc for arcana 5x3

blazing wave
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I mean there's ONE good thing for the low low price of 1,5 million xD

hollow scroll
blazing wave
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ahhhhhhhhhhh

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cheap they said

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NotLikeThis

valid tusk
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Does KT on a story express character cancel out the rewards?

faint pagoda
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lemme see

blazing wave
faint pagoda
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could put it up if you want it

blazing wave
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That very sweet :> If I'm spending 15 pheons though i wanna get something that's 5/3 at least 😭

faint pagoda
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oof yeah understandable if you have like an 7/7 or maybe 8/6 these work though

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:)

manic grail
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I can't see this mentioned anywhere, but once you have full brel gear you don't need 55 vykas and valtan pieces to convert your relic set anymore?

blazing wave
faint pagoda
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c_gawrglance how would you get full brel gear

faint pagoda
manic grail
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Brel normal gear

faint pagoda
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like 6 stones or missed 6 cuts

blazing wave
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6 stones

faint pagoda
manic grail
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That's beside the point

icy glade
astral root
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Thats actually insane luck if you got 3 malus or less

faint pagoda
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i think you still need the mats

faint pagoda
astral root
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Also 8/6 stone means you can semi copium

faint pagoda
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bro i cut 24 on my db

astral root
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Class ring

blazing wave
icy glade
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it really is

faint pagoda
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whats the 8 and whats the 6

blazing wave
faint pagoda
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bro even a 6/6 works for 5/3

manic grail
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Well i know my artist needed the mats before cause i checked. And i know i didn't get enough valtan mats cause only did it once. But when i checked today it didn't show any requirements to transfer the set

astral root
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Actually insane luck lma9

icy glade
manic grail
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And the only explanation i have is maybe because i have full brel gear now?

blazing wave
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I'd rather have a 7 / 7 so I can run grudge 9 instead of 12 on my engaving equips

icy glade
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buying the grudge books, even if they are expensive... It serves for every dps class ^^

outer mason
astral root
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You can still run grudge 9 on that setup what you mean

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6 + 9 is 15

blazing wave
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Uhhh what's the site? 😄

faint pagoda
blazing wave
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I've been using notepad q.q

astral root
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Altho grudge 5s are usually cheaper anyway

blazing wave
valid tusk
blazing wave
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doenst work out

faint pagoda
valid tusk
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I.e if i kt to punika then do SV myself can i get the final rewards?

blazing wave
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yeah whatever the case I need a 12

icy glade
faint pagoda
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yeah if you play full swift you could go for raid captain books

faint pagoda
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but yeah mokokoThumbsup

outer mason
valid tusk
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Ah

astral root
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Don't do RC books

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Good in short term shit long-term

faint pagoda
blazing wave
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I'M planing on spec or spec crit - didnt see adrenalin as a main option tbh

valid tusk
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ripp xD thanks for the info

faint pagoda
astral root
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Should base it on acc prices

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Usually RC stuff is cheaper

blazing wave
faint pagoda
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i love it

blazing wave
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hmmm xD

faint pagoda
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cant be too spammy

astral root
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You can test in Trixion if you're that worried

faint pagoda
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cant test relic theyre until you have conversion though

astral root
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Oh yeah forgot about that kekw

faint pagoda
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im playing adhd dom nm swift sooo xd

astral root
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EO soulfist

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My fingers

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Destroyed

faint pagoda
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c_gawrglance not that bad

astral root
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Tbh it's only really bad in h3 imo

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Full swift tai is worse overall

maiden locust
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I have question

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I have this story express (it take alot time bc in lazy to play all the beginner story) does this one give u pass after u finish it?

timber mauve
rose wren
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story express is skip honing til s-vern

blazing wave
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sniped this for 10k that seems like a steal right?

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Thinking about putting it up again

faint pagoda
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looks good AA_Bugcat_Nom

rose wren
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-3 i tend to stay away

blazing wave
maiden locust
noble ferry
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also 3 malice is a big thing for it being that low

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if ur not going to use it, mainly a waste of money like the guy said

blazing wave
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hmmm was by far the cheapest for that quality and only up for 2 min

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I'm using it^^

timber mauve
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You can get a 91 qual for a fraction of the cost. But not a big deal tbh.

noble ferry
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yeah, maybe the pheons is a big thing; but not the gold

timber mauve
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In most cases, 100 qual will double or more the cost of something.

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I mean, 10k isn’t that much gold.

rose wren
blazing wave
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It was cheaper than all the 90s and 80s on the market now

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🤷‍♂️

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whatever I'm using it anyway good enough for me

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😄

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❤️

timber mauve
blazing wave
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Is Challenge Abyssal Dungeon mm content?

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or do people go for groups?

rigid plank
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You can do either, I personally do matchmake

rose wren
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fighting that bitch is a pain without healer

pseudo atlas
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is there a way to save a different engraving support set to a preset?

rose wren
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the numbers here

gloomy trellis
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Brand new player here and just leveled up. Any guides or recommendations on where to put points. Seems like there's a lot of options

rigid plank
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Oh boy do I have the perfect guide for you

rose wren
rigid plank
# gloomy trellis Brand new player here and just leveled up. Any guides or recommendations on wher...

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noble ferry
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is it weird that even tho i already beat clown i dont have the title mayhem legion commander?

rigid plank
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You need to beat clown multiple times, iirc 10 times to get the title

noble ferry
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half way there i guess

rose wren
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gain deathless and u get 1

blazing wave
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Is the 12% damage taken only for me or the party?

echo owl
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just you

gloomy trellis
rigid plank
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Not as much but it still gives you a good foundation for dmg

minor warren
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question for brel gate 3 hard, are y'all ninevah around 120 bars, then inanana x0?

minor briar
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my static wei’s 102 stagger

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cuz our party has low stagger

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or watever the hp line is at

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also cuz we don’t even have it up at 120 to nine

minor warren
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not exactly 120

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but like around there

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we tried to wei 102 stagger but it doesnt even complete the stagger at all

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we also struggle on stagger xD, lowkey need to grab the yellow meteors to complete it

silk shard
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And do 0x without

minor warren
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do u just save sidereal for the x42 then?

silk shard
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But my groups dps is really high so yeah

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With alts we tend to use nin beforehand also

minor warren
silk shard
minor warren
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ah

silk shard
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Well most of my static is

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Also have 4 dps with los 30 😅

minor warren
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sheeesh

sick current
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is there an event rn where I can get honing tomes?

minor warren
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yes the naruni

blazing wave
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Is there a database to look up where the collectibles drop?

buoyant herald
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just buy them

blazing wave
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this is like 700g on the auction house :/

buoyant herald
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if you plan on grinding them you gonna pay with your sanity

shut pasture
blazing wave
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*cheap

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😛

shut pasture
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700g per is cheap

timber mauve
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700g? Lemme go farm those real quick. PepeLa

shut pasture
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Only need 4

buoyant herald
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RinShrug 700g isnt that much

timber mauve
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700g is pretty cheap tho.

blazing wave
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if you need 3 it's like vykas hard gold for the week

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that's not cheap the fuck

buoyant herald
rose jewel
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??

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thats cheap

buoyant herald
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2.1k is not 4.5k

rose jewel
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and its half a vykas

shut pasture
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700 x 3 = 2100

rose jewel
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4x3=16

blazing wave
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yeah whatever... if I pay that for every collectible ima pay hundrets if € 😛

shut pasture
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Also if you have alts at 1370 you can sneeze that much out of just getting free carried in Oreha

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Assuming multiple alts

buoyant herald
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the had to get ones

shut pasture
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700g is not common, yeah

rose jewel
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oh no, ima lose half a raid out of like 3 for 1 week for the rest of my life for a permanent item that i dont need to buy ever again and i get important completion on adventurer's tome

buoyant herald
blazing wave
rose jewel
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that's the price we have to pay for having no bots

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i would buy them myself isntead of farming

minor warren
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pretty sure its a random drop

rose jewel
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fuck farming those

minor warren
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honestly youre better off just buying it

rose jewel
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its 100% rng

minor warren
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thats our best rec. to you, no shade, just truth

shut pasture
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Yeah, its just RNG hence the answer you got above.

blazing wave
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allright

rose jewel
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you can stay 1 day farming and 0 drops

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or get 20 drops in 20 mins

hollow scroll
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or buy in 5 minutes

rose jewel
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which is not gonna happen lets be real

minor warren
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there's already enough rng farming for the food.

blazing wave
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so all the collectibles are rng?

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or are there some you can target farm?

shut pasture
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Those particular collectibles you were looking at are all RNG

rose jewel
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specifically those, you can get a couple via main story

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but its like 3 or 4 of them, of the lowest quality

shut pasture
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^

rose jewel
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rare quality is drop only

blazing wave
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hmm ok... yeah well I leveled like 8 characters through main story and only have that what I posted xD

crimson cobalt
#

whats the best option to get with rift pieces i just realised i never used them

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and is it worth to fuse maps to gold map?`no right

rose jewel
#

south vern boxes

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and no

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and by boxes i mean the highest box

crimson cobalt
#

thanks

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yea

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oh damn my first box legendary

hollow scroll
#

mokoko luck

crimson cobalt
#

no im not a new player but i never knew what to do with them :/

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and didnt care at the beginning

timber mauve
#

I haven’t used rift pieces since… before valtan release.

hollow scroll
#

it’s something i can go without

rose wren
hollow scroll
#

one less thing to worry about shrug

rose wren
#

higher chances of drops

blazing wave
#

these?

rose wren
#

yep

blazing wave
#

ty

shut pasture
rose jewel
#

watch him get 1 drop, brag about it, then spend hours for 0 drops

blazing wave
rose wren
#

some people rng r just wacko

rose jewel
#

its not being hateful, its being realistic

shut pasture
#

I get not wanting to put 700g on it, but you have to look at it as an investment. Its 700g towards an Ignea Token and a truck load of roster exp when you get the continent done

blazing wave
#

dude I have 2k gold total right now if I get even one in an hour I'm gonna be happy... if not I get the low drops filled at least

rose jewel
#

yeah thats why you think its a lot

#

first of all, if you dont have gold, why are you thinking on getting those, invest in your roster instead

#

there are a million things more to do with your time which are gonna be extremely more efficient instead of farming rng drops

blazing wave
#

yeah pls tell me how to play and enjoy the game

rose jewel
#

you enjoy it the way you want, we are only recommending you to not do that because its not efficient

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if you are extremely into farming the drops, go ahead

#

if you come here and say that, well we're gonna tell you not to

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because its not efficient

hollow scroll
#

buy it monka

rose jewel
#

if you want to, just do it

#

but every time you come here and say "were to farm X things from adv. tome" we are going to tell you, first of all, to not farm them

hollow scroll
#

run guardians and sell leaps, theres your gold back. or life skill mats

rose jewel
#

life skill is way way too good nowadays

#

he can get the price of those 3 things in 20 mins

#

maybe even have spare change

blazing wave
rose jewel
#

then dont and waste your time farming that

#

enjoy c:

hollow scroll
blazing wave
#

I got all my daily stuff done my raids done so I'm working on collections

#

🤷‍♂️

hollow scroll
#

how many island souls do you have?

blazing wave
#

like 11... yeah something else I need to do

hollow scroll
#

thats a better use of your time

rose jewel
#

island souls, food collectibles, dungeon clears, marked monsters

#

farming rapport items

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farming cards from wanderings

hollow scroll
#

skill point potion at 20 souls and can be done in a day

rose jewel
#

well the "farm rapport" are from wanderings

#

tower

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some hidden quests for skil pots yes

#

(if he never used the powerpass)

hollow scroll
#

then if you’re still bored run around picking mokokos

rose jewel
#

mo- yeah that

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field boss, chaos gate

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Making another alt

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life skilling

rose wren
#

just let 'em play how they want

#

im sure they know all theses

hollow scroll
leaden mantle
#

What are some other classes with a lower # of core skills? I'm really enjoying Glaivier because she only really has 4/5. I think the support chars have something similar, anything else?

rose jewel
#

i... probably yes probably no

rose jewel
#

we're just throwing things he can do, we're not telling him "GO DO THIS", again we can't force, we can just recommend

rose wren
#

oh ok

rose jewel
#

and if he's ultra focused on farming the items from adv. tome, well godspeed

#

"core" skills as in damage skills?

#

all classes, you have 8 skills (or more) but your main damage dealers are gonna be 4 to 6 at most, the rest are utility or buffs

hollow scroll
#

i still say sh

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6 skills

rose jewel
#

same as ironman

hollow scroll
rose jewel
#

most of the time

rose wren
#

summoner

hollow scroll
#

summoner is like arcana

leaden mantle
rose jewel
#

gl has a synergy and a counter, i dont really wanna count those as main damage dealers

#

(blue)

#

ive no idea about red

#

at the end of the day, you will still more than probably use all your skills for one reason or another

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be it mobility, synergy, buffs, beeg pp damage, etc

#

havent played control but one is a counter and one is a synergy

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and idk if they slot in the mobility skill

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so at least 5 main dmg dealing skills

#

like most clases? i guess

leaden mantle
#

If you don't know, you can just say that too >_>

rose jewel
#

i havent nor will play all classes

#

i have limited sanity

leaden mantle
#

Hence, my question to a discord

rose jewel
#

i mean people already gave you some options

#

probably the classes i use wont be to your liking, because i have to use all skills, coz i have self buffs and have to maintain adrenaline

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and i use pinacle instead

leaden mantle
#

I hoped mentioning supports would make my question more clear but looks like I didn't ask it well. I'm looking classes for with a better diversity of skills available on top of their main ones. Like you, said most classes have 4 to 6--So what are the ones with 4? It doesn't necessarily have to be utility/mobility/etc, even just acceptable damage. Like 4HD for Glaivier is mildly optional and definitely not utility.

buoyant herald
#

pretty much any burst class is gonna have stacking skills and 1-4 big damage skills

#

swift builds gonna be spammy and use all / most of their skills for damage

rose jewel
#

destroyer probably? never played, sorc has like 4 big dmg ones on igniter

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even WD has like 3 skills that are her biggest dmg

buoyant herald
#

surge has 1 big skill and 8 skills to make it happen

rose jewel
#

ah yeah

#

reaper

buoyant herald
#

wouldnt call the 8 skills support skills tho

rose jewel
#

charge, unleash

buoyant herald
#

you gotta land them all even if they dont do much damage

#

yeah reaper too but again you have to use and land all your shit

#

still not sure what the question is tbh XD

rose jewel
#

if i understand correctly, i probably am not, but he wants to just rely on using as less skills as possible? like, i have 8 but i wanna ignore 2 or 3 or 4 and just use the others, basically playing Elsword with 4 skills only

leaden mantle
#

...No.

rose jewel
#

then you just wanna deal big damage with not many skills? (ill let him explain further, im maybe of no help rn)

leaden mantle
#

I'm asking what classes have a lot of usable skills that can be fit into a core build. Versus, say artillerist which you'll never see using gatling or something like that.

rose jewel
#

ohhhh

buoyant herald
#

pretty sure most classes have like 7 skills that they must take

rose jewel
#

thats like a new question

buoyant herald
#

and then 1 optional one for utility

shut pasture
leaden mantle
#

That's why I used glaivier and supports as suggestions

empty stone
#

Hi, just got some question do I need to purchase-ingame to get the Trusted status or is there a way to get it while not spending a dime?

buoyant herald
#

you have to spend in steam

rose jewel
#

is your steam account trusted

buoyant herald
#

doesnt have to be in game

shut pasture
#

There are some variations in utility skills on classes, but in terms of actual damage skills basically every other class uses very specific ones and rarely deviate

rose jewel
#

your steam needs to be on good standing, and for that you need to spend, yes or yes, 5 bucks or more and wait 30 days

buoyant herald
#

if they do deviate its at a dps loss 😄

rose jewel
#

you cant dodge that

buoyant herald
#

supps cant really do random shit either can swap around like 1 or 2 skills too RinShrug

empty stone
buoyant herald
#

also make sure your mobile APP 2fa is on

rose jewel
#

and 2FA on PHONE, not email, phone

empty stone
#

yep I got the 2fa

rose jewel
#

if your steam is not trusted yet tho that's a problem

empty stone
#

why?

rose jewel
#

if you have already bought things on it in the past 30 days, then its a matter of waiting

shut pasture
#

@leaden mantle Did my responses answer your question well enough?

leaden mantle
#

Unfortunately, it seems like yes. Looking through the community guides, Glaivier is in a fairly unique spot

warm anvil
#

is there any reason to spend providence stones on the skins rather than the rapport items?

warm anvil
shut pasture
warm anvil
rose jewel
#

1% for bottom, top, hat and weapon, and some virtues (which arent even important)

warm anvil
#

oh ok

#

they dont stack right? like its not a bonus based on ALL the skins you own, its whatever you have equipped?

shut pasture
#

Yeah its the same stat as literally any other skin in the game, the only difference would be the values of the virtue stats

rose jewel
#

correct

warm anvil
#

seems like rapport would be the obvious way to spend unless youre a collector or something then

rose jewel
#

i mean, compared to market ones, those skins are not really that good, at least most of them

#

or at least i personally dont like then

#

if you do, buy them

warm anvil
#

i dont like skins at all, i like looking like a badass. i was just wondering if theres a good reason to blow all my prov stones on taht instead of rapport

rose jewel
#

that goes from individual to individual, some would, some wouldn't

#

you like the skins, you buy them, you dont like the skins, you dont buy them

#

not really hard

maiden locust
#

Which classes are prone to be gatekept? I came back after more than a year, and I wanna try one of the "new" classes. I left the game after glavier release. Right now I have arti, sorc, sh, wd and glavier. I need a sixth.

rose jewel
#

none if you invest in them

rose jewel
#

that's.... a meme tierlist

warm anvil
#

i found this...as a returning zerker main, i dont feel good about it

maiden locust
rose jewel
#

and you know what a meme means?

warm anvil
#

yes, but ive heard that about zerkers a lot, being predominantly bots along with sorcs and dying a lot because mayhem cuts HP

rose jewel
#

just dodge

#

not all zerks are bad

maiden locust
echo owl
#

none

rose jewel
#

none

#

bard will be more gatekept (nowadays)

#

if you worry about that

maiden locust
#

But why? Isn't she support?

#

I thought supports would be good for raids

rose jewel
#

out of the loop

echo owl
#

theres too many of them

rose jewel
#

artist came = many events for catch up = excesive surplus of supports

echo owl
#

unless youre gonna get it to 1540 immediately

rose jewel
#

end game = no sups
early game = way too many

echo owl
#

i cant even do content on my bard anymore unless i play dps bard in friend groups

maiden locust
#

I see... things changed a lot since I left.

rose wren
maiden locust
#

Ok then, so I will have a summoner or arcanist as sixth character. Also, my wd is the lowest out of my current. My sh is still tier 2 and I didn't like sh much either. I just wanna replace one of them with something else.

echo owl
#

sh is the reasonable choice to delete on g

rose jewel
#

we literally cant tell you what you will have more fun with

#

but between those, sh ye

warm anvil
#

you can only do arkesia grand prix once per day per account right? grinding daily content on all my alts just to get the coins is getting annoying

rose jewel
#

per roster

jagged pond
#

to get gems

other than doing the daily/weeklies

its just medeia/slime island right?

rose jewel
#

boss rush

maiden locust
rose jewel
#

every char is worthwile if you like the char

#

seems like you just want to delete something for an easy access onto raids

jagged pond
rose wren
rose jewel
#

"to not be gatekept"

#

trust me, everything before brel hard is dps heaven

maiden locust
paper glacier
#

@rose jewel whats the best way to farm accessories in infinite chaos dung, is it stopping after killing main boss on 2nd phase?

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or complete all chaos

rose jewel
#

accesories??

jagged pond
#

shall google it but ty!

paper glacier
#

ya

rose jewel
#

you dont farm accesories on infinite chaos, fuk that

paper glacier
#

its kinda common

rose jewel
#

its not even close to common

paper glacier
#

good for high value classes

maiden locust
timber mauve
#

What tf

paper glacier
#

couple each run good for farming ancient on high value classes

rose jewel
blazing wave
#

whats the respawn time on field bosses? 30min?

maiden locust
rose jewel
#

second, by the time you reach that, things could have been shifted and supports are probably more dominant on numbers and dpses being gatekept, we dont know

#

(doubt it but hey, no idea)

#

most classes are weak early

#

classes shine with relic set

maiden locust
rose jewel
#

and some others needs very high investment, being tripods, gems

#

wardancer is one of those

#

she's gonna be trash before relic, and she's gonna be just around average without tripods and gems

#

shadowhunter shines early on due to transformation

maiden locust
rigid plank
#

Can confirm, we peaked in argos and valtan normal KEKW

rose jewel
#

if you are willing to get the support to end game, you are PROBABLY (i dont even know, the future, i dont see it) gonna get nearly instant access to raids

#

and your dps is gonna get gatekept if you're not ultra juiced like many others aplying to the same raid

#

or probably no

#

and that's why everyone and their grandmas just recommend one thing

#

play what you like

#

if you hyper focus on being gatekept because i use a bad class or whatever, you're not even gonna enjoy the game

#

if you dont enjoy a class but "oh mah god top tier SSS dps burst op"

#

nah, i would hate myself

maiden locust
rose jewel
#

easy answer, play what you like, delete what you dont

maiden locust
#

I don't even know how argos phase 3 looks like

rose jewel
#

you like bard but dont like sh? delete sh and make bard

#

as easy as that

maiden locust
#

Ok thanks 👍🏻

#

I have to create and delete to try classes, right?

faint pagoda
#

ye

maiden locust
rose wren
#

barely see full fight of argos phase 3, end about where every1 has to stand in 1 spot to be protected

faint pagoda
rose jewel
#

to get the real experience on argos, you gotta go with a full party of 1415-

#

otherwise he gets evaporized

worldly coral
#

Does two support identities stack? Say if a barb and an artist in the same group pops their 10% damage buff at the same time

rose wren
#

argos nerf to 1370

shut pasture
faint jasper
#

if i do valtan a 2nd time, do i get anything out of it?

faint pagoda
#

you cant

rose jewel
#

you cant in the same week

faint pagoda
#

only on other chars

faint jasper
#

ah

#

if i do it on other chars

#

can i send the mats between chars?

rose jewel
#

yes but... via mail and it costs pheons to accept

faint jasper
#

damn

rose jewel
#

and not all, just accesories or stones

#

hone mats from chests are bound

shut pasture
faint jasper
#

got it

opal pebble
#

Anyone know the percentage range for expert trade tools on minigame acquisition probability?

#

like what is the maximum percentage you can get

faint jasper
#

gonna have to wait for a vykas bus on normal

rose jewel
#

try to find, or open yourself a learning party

faint jasper
#

that's asking for pain

rose jewel
#

are you gonna buy busses for the rest of your life and not enjoy the raids?

faint pagoda
faint jasper
#

after i get my relic shit imma start learning

#

pre relic, i had not experienced 1 good learning party

#

not 1

rose jewel
#

relic wont make the difference between you dying to a wipe mech or not

faint jasper
#

yeah but atleast ill be half done with an optimal build

#

kinda

rose jewel
#

you can have all the damage of the world, but couldnt be able to use it

faint jasper
#

true

rose jewel
#

coz you dont know dps windows

#

when to attack, when to wait

#

what to dodge

#

go and find the mokoko elp discord

#

that's the euc specialized discord for learning parties

faint pagoda
rose jewel
#

you may have way better luck and parties there

faint jasper
#

yeah i come from FF14 i react to shit more than learn patterns

rose jewel
#

or just join on that link

faint jasper
#

ty

rose wren
#

there has been random learning pf about, tho i guess depend on regions

fossil linden
#

is it worth buying all the avbyss, argos and legion raid chest even if you have the full relic set? mainly for leaps and honing mats cuz I am still not 1490 yet

rose jewel
rose wren
#

yes u can exchange the mats for accessorys

faint pagoda
#

argos worth

rose wren
#

legion for stone = quaility up

faint pagoda
#

legion raid idk

rose jewel
#

literally check pins

fossil linden
rose jewel
#

that i have no idea

#

but it probably is updated

#

if it isnt, get a copy and move things around

#

or just check your region prices to see if it is

fossil linden
#

hmm

gloomy trellis
#

What do I do with items I don't need?

blazing badger
#

dismantle

gloomy trellis
blazing badger
#

you will never keep anything below item level 1415 at the earliest

#

as far as equipment goes

#

as for other stuff, you can use things like your silver coins there

#

and the rapport chest you can keep or use

#

consumables you should store or use too (generally save to use in endgame)

rose jewel
#

health pots you're free to use, they regen hp for some seconds

#

HP pots heals you instantly 30/45/60% hp, save those for endgame raids

#

grenades like whirlwind, destruction etc etc, save

gloomy trellis
blazing badger
#

for chests which let you choose things, store them until there comes a time you have a need to select a specific kind

snow flower
#

i just got a vitality increase potion as part of a roster quest, and i took a screenshot of it prior to completing and after.. but vitality didn't change... is that normal or am i misunderstanding what that potion does? i noticed chat didn't say anything after completing too

rose jewel
#

save every chest that lets you pick something until you know what they do and where to use them

rose jewel
snow flower
#

ah yes

#

strange that the roster quest was available to use even if i had done a pp before

rose jewel
#

those are per char

#

you can redo most quests, but the reward, if it is rosterwide, you wont get it again

#

you can but it wont count, its already redeemed

#

skill point pots, stat point pots, virtue points

snow flower
#

ah cool, makes sense

rose jewel
#

if you use a powerpass you dont have to do any again

#

you get them all

#

das why punika pass is so good

#

besides your 2nd awakening skill

twin vapor
#

how many skill points does leveling up give?

shut pasture
rose jewel
#

uhh, that's for 51-60

#

it gives other amounts at 10>50 iirc

shut pasture
#

It does, but I assume that they just meant post 50

rose jewel
#

i would also but

#

yeah, people ask things and never give full info

twin vapor
#

oh yeah mb post 50 lol

tight briar
#

When you do Argos, I see there are three gates with different level requirements. When you join one is it one gate then it's over or all three gates in a row?

rose jewel
#

its not different levels anymore, all of argos can be done at 1370

tight briar
#

Oh, I guess it is all the same level now.

rose jewel
#

and also, you are supposed to do the 3 gates in a sitting, or, at the very least, that's what people expect you to do

#

because clearing 1 single gate is like... why

#

each gate gives mats and gold

tight briar
#

Gotcha, that makes sense. I just didn't know how it worked. I have not attempted it yet.

rose jewel
#

and getting a group for only gate 2&3 or only g3 is hard

tight briar
#

Me being new it's going to be hard either way LOL

rose jewel
#

so you join and beat the goat 3 times

#

well

#

if you still have your mokoko seed next to your name

#

people usually are more friendly towards newbies

tight briar
#

Looks like I do not 😄

rose jewel
#

some people (i do at least) ask if you have watched a vid or if you know mechs already

tight briar
#

I wondered what that was for. That also makes sense.

#

I watched the first gate video got to watch the next two.

smoky dove
#

2 characters to brel normal or one to brel hard? Both at 1475 atm

rose jewel
#

long term, 2 would be better due to more gold gen

#

fun wise, one to hm

gloomy topaz
#

hey guys quick question- gonna start lost ark with a friend. would it be realistic if we both rolled a support? will this mess us up doing raids/endgame content(as in finding a group to join)
if one of us has to roll dps- how hard will that be to group being a duo?
thanks!

shy yarrow
#

id seriously recommend starting the game with a dps if you want to main support

#

but you can generally just make your own party for endgame stuff as 2 supports are always needed

rose wren
#

dps+sup/2sup is nice, up to u

shut pasture
# gloomy topaz hey guys quick question- gonna start lost ark with a friend. would it be realist...

You both being Support classes wouldn't be a problem necessarily in the 8 player Legion Raids as they require 1 support per group (it is two separate groups of 4). Outside of that you won't be doing Abyssal Dungeons or in particular the Clown Legion Raid as double Support, or Guardian Raids.

You both will undoubtedly have alts that you will make so its not a problem and you can alternate one of you running Support and the other DPS in the 4 player content.

gloomy topaz
# rose wren dps+sup/2sup is nice, up to u

okay, so if i did bard and she did artist- we wouldnt have * many * issues queing for things?
just clarifying because I have 0 clue on team compositions for activities.

shy yarrow
# gloomy topaz why is that?

the leveling process requires you to beat things almost entirely solo and while supports can do that its just faster with a dps character

shy yarrow
#

each party needs 1 support, most raids are 8 man with 2 party

gloomy topaz
rose wren
#

having sup is easier on raiding, game design u can do without sup

#

if its guardian raids like 4party, then 1sup can dps 😅

shut pasture
rose jewel
#

they can but they should def. not

rose wren
#

yeah wasn't a serious suggestion

shy yarrow
#

you will get 3 characters just by completing 1-50 with the 2 powerpasses

gloomy topaz
#

dps class recs? research says lots are viable but just wondering what you guys enjoy+what is powerful

shy yarrow
#

have a dps as one of them so you can rotate with your friend

gloomy topaz
shy yarrow
#

after you finish north vern and land at 302 chaos gear you will have 2 powerpasses

shut pasture
shy yarrow
#

the 1-50 process will only have to be done once, powerpass gives you 2 more characters for free at lvl 50/302 ilvl

gloomy topaz
gloomy topaz
shy yarrow
#

some people find her gameplay kind of boring since its the exact same rotation of skills for each build

#

but shes a fine class, does well in all raids

shut pasture
gloomy topaz
#

one last thing- i played a tiny bit on launch and have some mounts and pets on my character. are those tied to that character, or can i use them on all my chars for that server?

shy yarrow
#

a small note, you can test classes in trixion by creating the class archtype and then just trying each of them, then you can delete the character either instantly or after like a day, but videos will show you the character in a much better light

shy yarrow
#

usually only items that say explicitly "(bound)" are locked to that character

#

ones that you can just eat and gain bonuses for are usually roster wide

round dagger
#

hi, I got the luterran lord quest to craft major hp potions but it says I don't have 15 gold coins, I have 0, how do I get these?

hollow scroll
#

just leave that until later

round dagger
#

its hard to get coins?

shy yarrow
#

you wont be able to make gold until t3

round dagger
#

whats t3

shy yarrow
#

they cut most of the early sources almost entirely

hollow scroll
#

deadge start of endgame

round dagger
#

oh sad

#

okay

shy yarrow
#

tier 3, punika, 1302 ilvl, the endgame start essentially

rose jewel
#

they cut all the early gold due to bots, just ignore that and keep playing

gloomy topaz
#

one last last thing, lol. sorry if this comes off ignorant but how hard is it for a f2p? im sure its 100% doable to play without paying a cent, but how slow will the grind be doing that compared to dropping a couple 20s every couple weeks? i dont mind playing for the crystalline aura.

round dagger
#

thanks for the help guys

hollow scroll
#

you can do unas early i guess

round dagger
#

i dont know what that is oops im very new

#

been playing for 3-4 days

rose jewel
#

this game is p2l

hollow scroll
round dagger
#

f2p friendluy?

rose jewel
#

like every mmo, paying will let you get to later content faster

#

and that's it

#

you make alts so get more resources, you spend more time to get more things

#

if you only play 1 char you will be stuck later on (in the sense that it will take ages to progress)

#

you can make 6 chars for free

#

all those 6 chars can gather their own resources and can funnel mats and currency to your main

gloomy topaz
rose jewel
#

BUT, you do NOT need to make 6 chars total, you can live with 3 or 4 max

#

uhh

#

well, the start of end game is reachable in like

#

days

#

at most

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its so stupid easy and fast its not funny, compared to when the game opened

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past that, to get to current endgame content, its gonna take a couple months

hollow scroll
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deadge zones everywhere mokokoHmmm

rose jewel
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if you pay you can get there in like weeks

hollow scroll
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now its a free ride to 1445

rose jewel
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but if you pay, expect to pay a GOOD amount of cash

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its not like "100 bucks haha ez" nah, its in the thousands probably

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you spend time or you spend money

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its an mmo, things will take time

shut pasture
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Best thing to do is not get FOMO. No reason to get FOMO.

gloomy topaz
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sounds good !

shut pasture
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People will be ahead of you either from paying or just no lifing, don't worry about it. Just play. You'll be fine.

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Have to throw in that comment just to be sure, because FOMO is a huge issue in the MMORPG community

shy yarrow
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you can do every single raid and content without a single credit card swipe, it just means you will take longer than someone who does swipe

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or someone whos spend hundreds or thousands of hours in the game

shut pasture
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People cannot help themselves, they gotta compare and contrast and mimic everything cuz someone else did it.

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Not everyone is built to no life, or is financially able to dump money into a game

gloomy topaz
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my friend will be f2p no matter what so she will be my anchor, lol

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no sense in getting ahead

rose jewel
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you can be not f2p and still be f2p

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you can swipe for skins

old forum
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hello, can I get life energy potions from somewhere other than the shop?

rose jewel
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skins doesnt give you vertical progress

rose jewel
old forum
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aight

gloomy topaz
vagrant veldt
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or speedo depending on the class u play

misty merlin
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Which of the mage classes has the most skill pressing/low down time ? (Generally speaking) ... They all seem so "slow" in the class preview it seems hard to get a good feel for what they'll actually be like

rose jewel
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arcana

buoyant herald
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arcana

vagrant veldt
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Arcana is fastest by a decent bit

buoyant herald
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arcana is fast af too

vagrant veldt
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especially emperor build

misty merlin
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Thank you thank you 💓

wraith bronze
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Is position 1 for brel east or north?

rose jewel
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that depends on which strat you are using

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usually, on euc they use NESW, on NA people usually use x3

hollow scroll
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they use x3 on eu

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only argos babies use nesw still

faint pagoda
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crydrink argos baby

rose wren
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compass better

hollow scroll
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i mean i only see it in argos for whatever reason

rose wren
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no need to math, america dumb they prefer math 😅

shut pasture
shy yarrow
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people often get their positions wrong regardless

shut pasture
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"Can math, must be dumb"

HUH

shy yarrow
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just try and stay consistent with your region

rose wren
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i mean, like people hate math in general and stay away from it

hollow scroll
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x3?
no nesw
ok

everyone dead at first safe zone mech

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average argos

shut pasture
vast oriole
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Nesw doesnt exist post argos on euc

shut pasture
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Its just weird.

rose jewel
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4x3=16

faint pagoda
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6x7 = 42

rose wren
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what've other region name for multiple engraving lvl3?

hollow scroll
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what are what

rose wren
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5 level 3 engraving thing

shut pasture
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5x3

rose jewel
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there is no other name

shut pasture
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^

rose jewel
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at least i havent seen any other way of calling 5 engraves at lv3 5x3

shut pasture
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There isn't. We got the terminology from the other regions

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lol

rose jewel
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i mean

rose wren
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o ok

rose jewel
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i bet someone wanna go full 5head and call it 3x5 instead

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It's different

hollow scroll
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frijj 15

wraith bronze
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what is x3

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can you explain

astral root
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engraving level 3

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5x3 means 5 engravings at level 3

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oh wait did i pick up on the wrong convo

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if you're talking about positions it's your party list x3 = o'clock position you're supposed to go

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so if you're member 2 for instance 2x3 is 6 o clock

rose wren
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they didn't define which meaning

shy yarrow
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context matters

elder anchor
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Does clown drop Esther in our version?

echo owl
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yes

devout granite
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Is ATK's platinum field guide still the best way to go about doing them? Asking cause the video was like a year ago.

rose jewel
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platinum hasnt changed since we got it, usually solo gathering is the most profitable (im no expert and things could have changed), but if he has the route on gathering, then yes its the same/the best

sullen spire
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when was the evony cube update?

pseudo atlas
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may

sullen spire
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thanks

midnight nimbus
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how is balthor aimed? center of circle is a fixed distance from character-facing?

or is it based on your cursor or something?

old peak
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???

rigid plank
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i think its character facing with fixed distance

rose jewel
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i wanna say its where your cursor is, and fixed distance

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but not 100% sure

maiden locust
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Is there a way to pass the story express to another character ?

rose jewel
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no

maiden locust
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if i delete the character with story express what happens?

minor igloo
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You lose the story express completely

swift latch
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is this success rate different than honing rate? i thought it's 33% but failed 11 times in a row, or am i just unlucky