#lost-ark-help

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near cove
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but ye gold is going to be hard to come by

rose jewel
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they also nerfed normal abyss dungeons gold iirc

timber mauve
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Pretty sure they did.

near cove
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the only way im going to make gold is prob going to be una's tasks

outer mason
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normal oreha is only 900g total now

rose jewel
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that's ass

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the more bot prevention stuff they add, the more they fuck over new players

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its completely stupid

near cove
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mhm saddening but ig i could also try push master pieces when starting out for extra gold

rose jewel
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and hunt down aventure islands

timber mauve
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Adventure islands will be juice early on.

near cove
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I mean how much gold would it prob run me to hit t3 ?

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for that matter 1370

wintry mauve
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From what level

heady gate
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can someone help me do argos pls?

near cove
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0

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t1>t3

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but i suppose gold costs only come in after t3

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everything else I can just run islands for

wintry mauve
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Not rlly much gold cost ye unless u buy mats

near cove
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5k<?

wintry mauve
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Pretty sure

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Prob even less

near cove
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hmm then i think it might just be better off to go euc cuz thats fairly easy to get with Una's tasks

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just need to push 1 to north vern prob like 6 hours and then pass 2 more

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spam chaos dungeons for like a hour for the weeklys and done

wintry mauve
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Ye just do tower for t1-2

near cove
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oh ye that too

timber mauve
near cove
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atleast i wont waste 50k life shards thing time around

heady gate
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ok thx

near cove
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I have like 50k shards just sitting on my 1385 cuz it was all bound lmao

austere basin
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whast the cheapest way to unlock more roster

near cove
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more?

austere basin
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a 2nd batch of 6

wintry mauve
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Money

austere basin
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so epeople generally try to go for purple tools

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anything higher is generally not worth for what you get out of it

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is what i hear

topaz flame
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Guys how can I get fancy cloths like from the channel DYE PATTERNS

austere basin
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Im not sure if thats true

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or what the consensus is?

winter cove
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Sup guys, returning player here. I didn't play LOA for like 9 months, and came back like month ago. Since then, it's been difficult to find groups for Legion raid's. I managed to clear Valtan for gear, but I can't find group for Vykas. I'm currently 1448.5 on my SH (4x3), so if there is any guild or anyone on EU Central (Neria for guild) who can help me to catch back, I would appreciate it!Bruhge

nimble gorge
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is rowen pvp mode where you need to buy 5x3 engravings instead of a free 5x3 preset?

topaz flame
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Guys how can I get fancy cloths like from the channel DYE PATTERNS

Guys how can I get fancy cloths like from the channel DYE PATTERNS

Guys how can I get fancy cloths like from the channel DYE PATTERNS

Sorry I have to copy paste that because no one was answering me this question since yesterday

rose jewel
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if i understand your question correctly

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get skins, dye them, profit

topaz flame
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Thank k you

topaz flame
sand chasm
rose jewel
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market or buy them with real cash or blue crystals from the F4 shop

austere basin
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@rose jewel What kind of tools do you typically use? What do lot of peoplle use that are in the late game

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purple, master?

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expert?

rose jewel
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or get one set for free from the newest anniversary event

austere basin
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Trade skills ones i mean

rose jewel
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purple

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if you want to specialize in X tradekill, get leggo

austere basin
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Gotcha

rose jewel
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will take a while to get back what you used to craft it, but well

austere basin
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Whats the difference?

rose jewel
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i cant be troubled with life skilling

rose jewel
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one more buff

austere basin
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Oh you get a buff with higher level tools

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cool

rose jewel
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not a buff

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one more thing on the tool

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one more line of effect

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instead of 3 things you get 4

winter cove
outer mason
austere basin
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are all of your characters in an account shared wit hroster

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like even chars 7+

radiant flame
austere basin
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Cool

rain charm
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how many boss rushes does it take to make a level 7 gem btw

rose jewel
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i wanna say 10

echo owl
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youd be pretty much correct

rose jewel
rain charm
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apparently it's 12 boss rushes, had to do the calculations manually

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12 boss rushes is equivalent to 9 level 5s and one level 4 which is equal to one level 7 and one level 4

viscid osprey
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Will I run into a silver shortage when trying to upgrade my T3 black kiss armor above +10? or are there new sources of silver at high levels?

rain charm
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so what ur saying is if i grind out all of the boss rushes in my roster today i could get full level 7s on my gs who already has 6 level 7s PepeThinking

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at later stages your silver will come from alts doing lopangs as well as cubes and chaos dungeons

rose jewel
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im saying gl not going crazy running that many

rain charm
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right i forgot about the mental aspect

buoyant herald
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shoudlnt let it stack up so much

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run them every week

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so you dont have to lose your mind in 1 go

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  • the weeklies are really nice
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if you do 2 a week they wont stack up

timber mauve
timber mauve
buoyant herald
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damn

silk shard
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i may or may not have close to a 100 boss rush tickets

buoyant herald
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wish i had that many

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free gold

timber mauve
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Prolly gonna bang them out today or tomorrow since I got off work.

rain charm
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lemme go through my roster and see how many cubes i have

timber mauve
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I dipped below the amount of gold I like to have as baseline, so tryna get that back up.

shy yarrow
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just have a casual 300 cubes sitting around

worldly slate
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If I have to counter clone at g5 should I help with stagger?

buoyant herald
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imagine having more than 5k gold at any time

timber mauve
buoyant herald
viscid osprey
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so whats a good way to get those millions of silver for 1490+? or is the current content simply not intended to upgrade much further and we should wait for future content? maybe those korean guardian and legion raids would actually give more resources, I don't know which item level they would require

vast oriole
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Having alts to do cubes, chaos, lopangs

timber mauve
austere basin
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Do you guys see more gunslingers or deadeyes?

vast oriole
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Gunslingers

buoyant herald
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gunslingers 100%

rain charm
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gunslingers at high ilvls

worldly slate
austere basin
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Huh wonder why that is

rain charm
timber mauve
vast oriole
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Because boobas

buoyant herald
viscid osprey
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thanks

vast oriole
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(And because deadeye is entropy class)

buoyant herald
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just focus on counter

austere basin
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I heard gunslingers are pretty good

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and do crazy dps

rain charm
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yea they're decent

worldly slate
silk shard
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Gunslinger also gets some spicy updates

austere basin
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but iv'e heard the same about deadyeyes

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lol

timber mauve
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They don’t really do crazy dps compared to the top performers, but they are highly valued for their near 100% crit synergy uptime.

rain charm
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deadeyes have bigger numbers in small bursts

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they're basically the burst version of gunslinger

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gunslinger is a lot about sustained

buoyant herald
vast oriole
red mist
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Hi, which is cheaper to build, scrapper or lance master?

buoyant herald
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probably lance

austere basin
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im assuming gunslinger is going to be a lot more expensive then

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to build

buoyant herald
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compared to some other classes its pretty cheap

shy yarrow
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having lots of variety and budget builds which all of those classes have keeps things cheap

timber mauve
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Need like 12 tripods and around 9 high level gems. As a trade off, it’s not spec so cheap.

red mist
timber mauve
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Gs doesn’t really have many budget engravings.

buoyant herald
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eceryone needs tripods and gems kek

buoyant herald
rain charm
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damn i have some real rookie numbers in my cube tickets

timber mauve
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Transform classes enter the chatYEP

rain charm
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my entire roster has only 168 cubes

red mist
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cool thanks

rain charm
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and 65 boss rushes

buoyant herald
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i run cubes once i get over 3 and boss rushes only keep 1 for next weeks weekly so i can get my unas tokens on reset and roll for the gold bar

austere basin
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is there much of a diffference in dps

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between the 2

shy yarrow
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swift tth stuff looks cheap af rn on nae

austere basin
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im assuming not

buoyant herald
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nah not really

rain charm
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between gs and deadeye ?

austere basin
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yea

rain charm
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they're pretty similar

silk shard
rain charm
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deadeye has the benefit of being an entropy class but that can also be a downside

buoyant herald
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deadeye probably better dps but its a ranged backattacker pretty scuffed

timber mauve
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Me waiting for underboob skinteaSmile

old knot
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Anyone got a link to pvp builds for rowen?

buoyant herald
old knot
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gotcha thx

buoyant herald
red mist
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Another question: I'm currently 1400, I have lab research done for t3 honing. Honing from +11 to + 12 starts at 35% success rate. Do people just keep honing at this starting rate (failing, keep honing, worst case you get 100% after a row of failing), or do people actually use additional materials or even special materials already?

rose jewel
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never use solars but until you are very late on the game, and even then never buy them

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use books

red mist
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When to start using books? 1400 now, or even later?

rose jewel
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they are cheap

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no reason not to use books

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questionable about brel books tho

buoyant herald
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yeah at least up to 1415 should always use books

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like every single hone

rose jewel
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but from 1370>1415 its very good and cheap

red mist
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so, if i use 1 book now, it's like 35% -> 45%, does it mean, in general, just prepare 3-5 times of the honing materials, and keep pressing buttons?

buoyant herald
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yep

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should start getting used to failing A LOT

red mist
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Cool. thanks

buoyant herald
rose jewel
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dont be like those people that left the game coz honing was horrendous (they didnt even reach 1415)

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prepare yourself mentally

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its worth it

buoyant herald
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yeah its hard but its a part of the experience

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all the fun shit is at the top

red mist
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when you add book / solar, add to max?

old knot
rose jewel
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pvp is dead in general

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shit content

red mist
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as long as i know 'prepare for x times more material' is the right way to go, i'm mentally fine lol

rose jewel
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shit continent focused in pvp

old knot
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but they put good stuff behind rowen farm T.T

rose jewel
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if i ignore it i dont know if its good or not

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👍

old knot
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that rhino mount man'

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it's so cool

buoyant herald
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well idk i just go there get contribution and afk

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pvp sucks

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chat is dead cuz pvp is dead

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mostly for mega whales to flex their crazy gear

lavish groveBOT
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The Ultimate Bard Infoset

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timber mauve
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Maybe I won't delete my bard and just buy more character slots instead.

rose jewel
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24 bards

buoyant herald
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just made 2 artists

rose jewel
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wow my dude living in the future

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made an unreleased char

timber mauve
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I’m not gonna make an artist. I’m a coomer gamer, not that kind of gamer.

buoyant herald
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i mean

rose jewel
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ima do one of each supps

buoyant herald
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mage model sucks tho

rose jewel
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just for variety

timber mauve
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I mean, I already got 11 lvl 7 gems set aside for slayer.

buoyant herald
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ye im gonna go hard on slayer too

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fkin queen

timber mauve
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I mean, I could strip some characters and I’d have 22 lvl 7 gems for slayer. pepehmmm

rose jewel
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abs + biggerestest boobies

buoyant herald
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should have all 10's ready for slayer tbh

timber mauve
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Good pointpepehmmm

buoyant herald
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along with enough mats to 1600 day 1 like zeals did

timber mauve
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But I’d rather sell gems and make gold for slayer.

buoyant herald
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you got time dor both

timber mauve
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This is what I’m aiming for.

buoyant herald
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just 1490

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weak

timber mauve
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You see, I’m making 6 slayers.

buoyant herald
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that's the true gamer move

silk shard
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Ticket usually takes 24 hours

buoyant herald
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its usually either instant or takes uo to 48h

high stone
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In Kakul G3, let's say someone died and you have Wei up, can you pull like 1 lever and use Wei will that work?

buoyant herald
high stone
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Ah nice, if only my friend didn't get hooked at the start xD

buoyant herald
high stone
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Hope they beat bingo with 2 DPS -_-

buoyant herald
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if they play safe its easy

high stone
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Stuck here for almost 2h, can't leave because it's my friend and his other friend here aswell

buoyant herald
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his burn is pretty nasty if you dont have a supp

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doing a mental reset always helps do like a few hour break or try another day

high stone
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Yeah true, he is overgeared quite a bit but idk he doesn't really play good today xD

buoyant herald
high stone
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We only have like 2 kakuls and then the rest is Valtan, I just want to get over with this haha been a rough week few brel jails and literally the other 3 were jailed not by my friend but in general, idk if it's a EUW issue but literally everyweek I get jailedKEKW

buoyant herald
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nah not euw issue just bad player issue tho on a dead server you only gonna have plebs who don't really get deep into the game deadge

high stone
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Guy says you need 2 levers and wei :p

buoyant herald
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well im telling you you don't

high stone
buoyant herald
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yeah whales KEKDog

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if you got ppl to play with its ok

high stone
buoyant herald
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but in general smaller server gonna have less ppl with hands

high stone
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Dam failed at x12 here we wgo again sigh

buoyant herald
high stone
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Yeah it's really bad, soon I gotta work and I am 100% gonna find a static

buoyant herald
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take a smoke break or something

high stone
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Yeah guess I do that thanks haha

buoyant herald
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it helps a lot

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gl

high stone
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I think they should also take a smoke haha xD

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Thank you appreciated

rose jewel
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smoke bomb and get out of there

hexed night
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TIL to buy accessories on the character you want to use it on.... 15 pheons down the drain 😭

thorn cave
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is there a way to join the same rubber duck instance as a friend? do we hav eto join from the same city?

amber totem
hexed night
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yeah im assuming i should cut a good stone first right

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then build off of that

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as opposed to buying accs then trying to get a specific stone cut

hidden trout
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For rowen, Do you also get rewards for joining the opposing faction siege-raid daily?

timber mauve
merry reef
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Any tips to keep track of when propel gonna roll after knockout and when he's on CD?

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I don't think we can see a CD under his bar or something right? Anyone know how long the cd is at all for his stand up?

terse coral
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is there any easy gold from rapport i could get ?

shy chasm
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You don't get gold from rapport anymore

terse coral
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oh

sullen hawk
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Help..
if anyone know pls tag me,
how to get more of this? need alooot per week

silk shard
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but its disabled atm

sullen hawk
rose jewel
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rng drop, 1% chance

silk shard
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and not really weird as its a gold sink event nothing else

hidden trout
weak terrace
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which unas quest is the rowen rapport guy sylus?

hushed sleet
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Hi for gate 5, when does the brel clone appear for counter? After the first ball stagger? Or after 2 balls stagger?

blazing badger
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I think it's independent of the staggers, but normally roughly in time with the first one being staggered

serene vine
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are 3 purple maps worth one gold map

cloud pendant
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Twinkle shop can only be used in the next reset am I right?

silk shard
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Well thats when its enabled again

cloud pendant
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Are there huge difference in DPS getting Brel weapon to +20 first compared to upgrading all gears equally?

buoyant herald
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rushing wep is super inefficient

low aspen
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does south vern storyline give simple oreha fusions?

buoyant herald
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no dont think any questline gives them

low aspen
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kk ty

gloomy egret
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whats the best ship rn

timber mauve
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Astray is the fastest ship in the game if that’s what you’re asking.

agile compass
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Its a waste of time and pirate coins to get astray

timber mauve
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Yeah, there are much better things you could spend your coins on tbh.

strange crescent
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yo trying to get lostwind cliff any discord for npc spots for seria?

primal geode
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Just unlocked the auction house. Whats an optimal way of getting the most lvl 3 engraving effects?

gloomy egret
agile compass
primal geode
timber mauve
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And the most important part, lots of gold.

agile compass
timber mauve
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I buy books, then I cut a rock, then I finally buy acc to fill in the rest.

agile compass
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To figure that out. U need to find out which accessories engravings are more expensive. Then use those books

timber mauve
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Sometimes I do a 4x3 +2 so I can work on the leg class books over time.

primal geode
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Legendary books or epic works too?

timber mauve
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You want legendary eventually.

agile compass
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Depends do u want 5x3 or what honestly. But 5x3 is the goal

timber mauve
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I wouldn’t start buying acc and stuff until you’re at least 1415 item level btw.

primal geode
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Im only 1430 so 3x3 min

timber mauve
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At 1430, I would suggest at least a 4x3.

agile compass
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You're destroyer?

primal geode
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yes

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and I see grudge books are 13k lol

agile compass
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What engravings do u go for 5x3

primal geode
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i only know basic 3x3 for now. I was locked out of AH for a month

timber mauve
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For example, you can just go cursed doll + class for your books then get grudge on your rock.

lavish groveBOT
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The Ultimate Destroyer Infoset

Below you can find a comprehensive list of useful information for the Destroyer class. This list is not exhaustive, but it should give you a good idea of what to expect from the class.

agile compass
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I would honestly aim to build 5x3. Save on pheons and be done with it

primal geode
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Rage Hammer, Supercharge, Grudge

scenic vapor
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hello , any generous soul here that can help me and carry valtan normal for me ?

whole cove
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Did they fix the EU west problem?

timber mauve
timber mauve
whole cove
agile compass
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From the guide. I can see you need rage hammer, grudge, super charge, barricade, CD or Master brawler

timber mauve
# whole cove oh ok

Tbh, region merge between EUC and EUW prolly won’t happen for at least another year. Just a guess, but yeah.

agile compass
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@primal geode do u know what stat distribution u need?

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Should be super easy to build. Honestly

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A 5x3

timber mauve
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Heard destroyer is pretty cheap.

primal geode
maiden locust
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If I wanted to look for people to raid with, would I make a post under raids lfg? This would be my first Valtan raid

timber mauve
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I’d help, but I’ve already ran all my valtan runs for the week. deadge

river lynx
agile compass
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Pick 1 u like from 123

primal geode
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idk what the last piece is

agile compass
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As for engraving sit looks like Rage, grudge,super charge, Barricade and the last being CD or Master brawl

agile compass
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Now. Do u have any gold books?

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And how much gold u have

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Should be super easy to build 5x3

primal geode
agile compass
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The hardest would be the stone

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First decision. Do u want to go CD or Master brawl

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CD has a negative effect. Where as Master brawl need front atk

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I would go Master brawl. But that's just me

primal geode
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Master brawler

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yeah

agile compass
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Ok

primal geode
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cause youre always aiming head

agile compass
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So u have 3 cheap engravings. Master brawl, super charge and barricade are all very cheap

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Easy to get +12 books

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But of course u want grudge

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Cuz alts can use them too

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So it's your choice

primal geode
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so I pick the cheapest 2 cause u can equip 2?

agile compass
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I would pick class engraving + another

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Depends u wanna go cheap on it. Or efficient for long term

primal geode
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Legendary grudge is out of reach for a long while

agile compass
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Yep

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So if u wanna go 5x3 asap. I would equip class engraving + any of the 3 cheap engravings

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As gold book

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Now your stone should be grudge + another

primal geode
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9x7 stone?

agile compass
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For example. Equip rage hammer and barricade books. Then my stone would be grudge + super charge

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U only need 77 for 5x3 if u have 1 gold book

primal geode
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okay

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ill do that now

agile compass
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I would use this to plan after u cut your rock

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Any of the first column is what u want

primal geode
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got it

red mist
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Hi, is one man carry Legion Raid valtan g1-2 reliable? Worth the 1500 gold bus?

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It's normal mode

agile compass
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Are u buying the bus?

red mist
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In the bus station

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lol

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just got 1415

agile compass
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I think it's worth it to buy a bus if you're not planning to actually do the raid

timber mauve
agile compass
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You earn more than u pay plus u get mats and stuff

red mist
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Or, would I better get 1445 and get the bus for hard?

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I'm not sure whether I have the material for honing now

agile compass
timber mauve
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I also sent you the link for the NAW busing discord.

red mist
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I doubt it

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thanks i'll check it

agile compass
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Then go for normal buz

timber mauve
# red mist thanks i'll check it

Generally I do a quick name search for the buser’s name in there to make sure it’s not a scam or been reported for failing.

red mist
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Is legion raid's cd like Oreha's Well? Once per week no matter the difficulty?

timber mauve
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I’ve been scammed once out of the… 100+ buses I’ve ridden YEP

agile compass
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Icy sure is experienced in this matter

timber mauve
red mist
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OMG

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Oh. I see, 3 time remaining

timber mauve
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Also, you must choose between difficulties. So you can’t do valtan normal then turn around and do hard mode in the same week on the same character.

nimble gorge
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do spots ever open up for red faction, or is it permanently full?

red mist
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Cool. I guess I'll do normal for this week. I doubt I have enough material/luck for 1445 right now

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thanks guys

timber mauve
agile compass
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Once more join blue

nimble gorge
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oh swapping can happen anytime?

agile compass
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I saw a clip of a streamer who was looking at it and explaining it. Then it went from full to crowded and he immediately switched to red

agile compass
nimble gorge
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do you lost points or any stat when swapping?

agile compass
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That I'm not sure

nimble gorge
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whoah so the entire rowen region is ffa pvp with opposing faction?

low aspen
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are fatespire(bridge) mats rosterbound

silver rain
candid lake
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Does anyone know how many orbs you can let vykas eat in g2 normal

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was it 2?

silver rain
low aspen
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cuz i wanna get bridge 19 done for the shards

agile compass
agile compass
candid lake
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ight ty

agile compass
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2nd is wipe

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Might be wrong tho

low aspen
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doing it on my 1460

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know what tho ill attempt

red mist
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What classes are better drivers for valtan and so on?

agile compass
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1460 should be enough to do 25

shy yarrow
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uh, im biased but burst class's normally do better overall

agile compass
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Those are zdps

red mist
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I cannot there is a lot of dodging here for my reaper driver.

amber totem
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reaper

shy yarrow
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meta chasing classes in general are always fine, more skill comes to play for not having burst to skip mechs

amber totem
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shadowhunter gets gatekept pretty hard too idk

red mist
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would it be messy for soc?

shy yarrow
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sh bussing PepeLaugh

agile compass
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Reaper is fine. Didn't u see the Korean hunger reaper solo bussing g6 brel? Susge

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High mobility is always a plus

timber mauve
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Reaper is pretty good given enough player skill.

shy yarrow
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lunar without yearning tho deadge

low aspen
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OOOOO I DID IT I BEAT 25

hoary knoll
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did some of you maybe get rowen mokokos already and can tell me where i can find the food to acces some mokokos?

low aspen
agile compass
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Np

timber mauve
hoary knoll
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in other continents they showed where to get it not here tho

shy yarrow
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you need 2 kinds, the first is the milk from cook/crafter dude just let it age

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the second is only from the sussy sigmale shop

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so you need like lvl 10 pvp something faction level rank to unlock it to buy

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use lostarkmap and the ones highlighted in different colours will tell you what you need if you click them

polar shard
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what gives happy word cards?

shy yarrow
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dailies or weeklies

red mist
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omg, my dear driver got pushed off by valtan lol

hoary knoll
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ty for your help

red mist
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they call it 'car accident'

shy yarrow
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can't help you there, pick a driver with eyes hands and skill

red mist
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8 casualties and driver didn't make it

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i just found it funny

agile compass
rose jewel
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patch notes / event notes tells you where to get each

minor briar
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ah rip

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did u return the sent mail?

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that means u have the mats

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u can return the mail before they receive it

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also sent mailbox is diff to receive mail box so deleting has nothing to do with it

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theyre 2 different sections in the mail box

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they should still get it

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it should only remove from ur mailbox

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or u just sent it to the wrong person

narrow pier
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Hi ! it's time for me to make a new Alt.
The thing is i don't know what to do.
There is a lot character that i really like but for an alt some of them isn't really good. So i have questions :

  • Is soulfist now a good idea for an alt ? i know it need work to get it right but i'm ok with it. What about investment ? For the moment i stop my alt at 1370 ilvl.

  • How is Sumoner compared to Sorc for an alt ? wich on of them is cheaper ?

  • Berserker, i think about Mayhem for an alt, how is it ?

steep badge
amber totem
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You shouldnt probably stop at 1370. Whats your main at? If its not 1460, its not alt time yet

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Unless you gonna powerpass

minor briar
narrow pier
timber mauve
# narrow pier Hi ! it's time for me to make a new Alt. The thing is i don't know what to do. T...

Soulfist feels like ass until you get relic at 1445+
Summoner is going to be more expensive than sorc for being newer, but both are the two most expensive classes to gear in general
Zerk gets gatekept a lot due to people not liking zerk

TL:DR
All classes are good, but those are my personal thoughts on all those classes. I personally have every single female class in the game. Choose whatever is fun, but most martial artist and assassin classes feel not so hot until relic at 1445+.

rose jewel
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except scrapper, she just gets better

amber totem
timber mauve
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Scrapper goes to the fucking moon KEKW

narrow pier
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Yea but 1460 cost too much i'm waiting to change my main.

timber mauve
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Eh, I’d stay at 1415-1430 until artist. Pushing 1460 is quite hard. If they were like 1445, I’d just push it, but 1415 is a long ways away.

amber totem
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Fair enough. Just pick whatever you want then since you're already decided on switching main.

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be aware that 1370 is night fox jail though.

narrow pier
rapid dagger
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anyone know what these rings are used for?

shut pasture
amber totem
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The guardian raid for 1370-1415 is Night fox Yoho. Its terrible to raid as nobody has correct setups, as 1415 is when you first get relic accessories, so nobody does much damage and it has annoying mechanics.

rapid dagger
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@shut pasture ty

amber totem
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If youre not planning on doing guardian raids at all then I guess 1370 isnt a bad place to park.

narrow pier
rose jewel
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so, you want to main swap but you dont / wont have resources to hone her high (except for whatever the event gives)

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nice

amber totem
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... Yeah. Deska at 1415 is a pretty fun fight and worth doing for the daily mats.

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IDK man switching main without the ability to invest into her is going to be rough.

narrow pier
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I can't clear content anyway so it will not change anything.

amber totem
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at 1415 you can at least set up 4x3 through auction house

rose jewel
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i cant =/= i dont want to learn nor invest

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in the end (unless you are a 1char player) you want alts for a higher mat and gold income weekly/daily

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but well

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i/we cant force you to do anything, you do you

amber totem
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If youre not doing the daily/weekly content what are you doing in game? Horizontal only?

limpid valley
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Any reason why i cant enter the battlefield in rowen even though im in a faction? after i did the quest on an alt for roster exp im locked out on every char

narrow pier
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i mostly do the daily quest and chaos dungeon.

amber totem
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You can matchmake guardian raids.

narrow pier
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and try to find a group for abyssal and argos .. sometimes it take the day.

narrow pier
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Night fox at least sometime you find someone to carry you

amber totem
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Thats why people do nightfox instead

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Nobody queues that lion. Its too hard for most people to beat at ilvl

narrow pier
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Yep that's why i stop my alt at 1370

rose jewel
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you seem to have priorities and ideas wrong

narrow pier
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But it take my hours to just try to find ppl to carry..

austere basin
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how many knowlege transfers can you do at once

austere basin
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Somehow im doing 2

rose jewel
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1370 is a parking spot because you save up on mats if your main is not 1460 for the stronghold research

austere basin
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lol

rose jewel
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its not because people want or dont want to do igrexion

austere basin
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is it one per 6 chars?

amber totem
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blobshrug I could only do 1

rose jewel
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yes igrexion is hard, but he's not "the" farmable guardian, its either yoho or deskaluda

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its either 1370 or 1415, which are the parking spots for alts

amber totem
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At the very least you can bus argos at 1370 easily to progress if thats what you are stuck on.

rose jewel
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if you're trying to farm igrexion daily you're just f*cking yourself over

amber totem
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Youre correct in saying its hard to progress from 1370, but its not impossible.

narrow pier
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yea but to bus argos you need gold.

austere basin
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^^

rose jewel
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so?

amber totem
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and you get gold from farming night fox and selling leapstones

rose jewel
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get the gold from abyss dungeon

austere basin
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its definitely slow and punishing for new players

amber totem
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Just look for free carry no bid runs on abyss dungeons, they're always running

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yep ive gone through it all over the last 2 months.

austere basin
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but its been a few weeks and with help it gets better

rose jewel
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stopping all your activities because "I'll main swap anyway" will just hurt more than help

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you need to invest to get profit later on

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you're not investing anything to help your "future main"

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she's gonna suck big time, no gold to hone nor to buy anything

amber totem
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What if you dont like artist?

rose jewel
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but again

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you do you

narrow pier
rose jewel
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.....

amber totem
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lol

rose jewel
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i'll see myself out

narrow pier
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I keep gold to buy stuff and engraving.

rose jewel
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this whole convo has been useless

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since the beginning

last wolf
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is there anyone here who has relic set 5x3 for shock scrapper, soul fist, and wardanceer? i currently have a shock and am looking to get 1 of sf or wd. would greatly appreciate any feedback from ppl who have player all 3 classes

amber totem
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Just do whatever you want to do equi

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If you are enjoying game that way thats fine

rose jewel
shut pasture
rose jewel
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WD has great crit rate and attack speed and move speed synergy for the party, pretty nice damage, SF has atk up synergy, extremely good damage

agile compass
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It's always worth it to buy bus if u don't plan or not able to do the raid yourself

prime void
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Is it possible to actually stay behind 2 quote on quote mains?

Or is it just a waste of time and I should make my other in the roster just sources of gold?

agile compass
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U get more gold than u spend

rose jewel
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both are cracked at relic set

shut pasture
# narrow pier power pass an existing

Well Signum is not wrong in that if you don't have resources accumulated over this period of time before that you'll just end up getting stuck again, but if you don't care about that then thats fine.

rose jewel
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in 1 month he can get his "new main" to way way way way higher than 1302

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and PP an alt for extra income

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why is he waiting 1 month for that

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its beyond me

prime void
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Btw are there sources of pheons outside events?

narrow pier
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i mean some ressources stack

shut pasture
rose jewel
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all this time it was a convo about artist, but he never specified he wasnot going to PP artist

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so all the help (99% of it) went to the toilet

robust yoke
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is there a lfg channel or a way to get help with guardian raids?

shut pasture
narrow pier
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I plan to up as much alt i can to 1370, use the PP on the new main, use the event to push it 1460 also using my ressources to help him with that. Then switch main.
After that i'll probably push the alt 1415 too.

rose jewel
last wolf
rose jewel
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wd is my main, sf is my alt, i dont have a scrap

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both are good

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and fun is subjective

prime void
# shut pasture Yeah. Convert gold to blue crystal

Oh interesting, what so basically I have to spend gold to buy extra gold, I'm planning to make a new 5x3 build and I sadly had extra unfortunate luck with my stones... Ended up miserably failing 9 stones and now I have no pheons

Any advice on gold making and pheons?

I need to seriously reconsider my gold management

fickle canopy
#

Hey will lost ark release an asia server?

narrow pier
amber totem
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300 leapstones is nowhere near enough

agile compass
rose jewel
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you're gonna waste a mother f*cking lot of cheap mats from frog for waiting for a powerpass

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instead of creating your new main rn

fickle canopy
prime void
amber totem
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1415 is frog break point, ive rushed 2 characters from brand new over the last week to try and get there lol

rose jewel
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that said, again, you do you

amber totem
shut pasture
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Which you get those upgrades at 1460

narrow pier
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that's my ressources, i have 240 leap and if i open the chest i have 10 chest that give 100 leap each.

narrow pier
prime void
shut pasture
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Do you have a 1460 ilvl character?

maiden locust
#

Are the anniversary card xp and rapport bundled worth it?

narrow pier
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I might lack shard maybe.

shut pasture
narrow pier
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If i push 1460 i will not have any mats left for the new character.

agile compass
narrow pier
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And Relic accessories cost 4000 gold each so i need gold for that.

shut pasture
amber totem
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Otherwise while you're on cooldown from raids you can do horizontal stuff

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A bunch of horizontal content gives good bonuses like skill points, runes etc that affect your raid output damage and survivability

primal geode
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hey thanks for the help @agile compass
I decided to stick to purple books for now smilemk

shut pasture
agile compass
primal geode
amber totem
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Gold books required for 5x3. depending on which books you buy it can cost 200k+ for a set lol

primal geode
#

And previously I was on 2x3 so i had to upgrade

amber totem
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4x3 feels so satisfying when its set up though 🙂

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Congrats.

agile compass
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So. Gold books could be cheap xD

narrow pier
primal geode
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I picked supercharge as book engraving since its cheap ish nad works with my alt deathblade

narrow pier
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and the cost reduction

amber totem
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Super charge isnt used on Surge db

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But its a nice cheap set to pick up

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Im going to buy grudge DESPAIR

timber mauve
amber totem
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already started, sniped a book at 9k.

primal geode
amber totem
narrow pier
timber mauve
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You should have it up to 1370 on each gear piece.

shut pasture
narrow pier
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i still have it.

shut pasture
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Two different bonuses

timber mauve
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Unless you have the research that unlocks at 1460 ilvl for 1370>1415.

pseudo atlas
#

there is also a global buff for up to 1415

timber mauve
#

Indeed

shut pasture
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There is the normal growth boost which is a global buff and then there is also the stronghold research

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Which adds to it

narrow pier
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So if i have the stronghold buff i would be at 40% ?
Doest it also reduce the cost ?

timber mauve
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Isn’t the stronghold one 10%?

shut pasture
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10% to success yeah

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20% reduction in xp req

narrow pier
#

and item cost ?

amber totem
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Does it matter? Just get it.

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Its super important.

maiden locust
#

I finished rowen on pala but now npcs are too strong to kill KEKW
when I was choosing faction it said all roaster will be within that faction, so can I switch to another char and finish weekly quests on it?

shut pasture
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Well the xp reduction reduces material cost on silver and shards

narrow pier
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it matter, it's not really worth it pushing 1460 if it's only 10% and no cost reduction.
I'm better waiting the power pass and pushing on the new main.

late vine
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i'm keeping a new alt right under 1460 til the pass

timber mauve
narrow pier
timber mauve
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I’d go to like 1415 max for deska, relic, and better gold.

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Yeah, I’d just chill at 1415 or 1430 if you can do vykas each week.

narrow pier
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i can't even do valtan xD

timber mauve
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Going from 1415>1445 isn’t too bad, but 1445>1460 is pretty painful imo. That extra hone on everything hurts.

narrow pier
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ok

timber mauve
# narrow pier i can't even do valtan xD

You should clear valtan each week for the gold. If you can’t clear, buy a bus. Making a net profit and getting mats is better than not doing it at all imo.
But if you wanna do it yourself, go for it. Just my advice.

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But I wouldn’t buy a bus for vykas normal. They’re very overpriced for the amount of gold you get.

narrow pier
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I hate paying bus, and i don't want to just be scam.

timber mauve
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Up to you. I’ve been scammed maybe once or twice in the 100+ buses I’ve bought. I just look for people with hell mode titles.

simple flicker
#

why cant i buy the random chest from the frog twinkle shop? "cannot use or equip this item" i have enough gold

simple flicker
#

thjx

shut pasture
# narrow pier My current main is 1415 and 3 of my alt are 1370

If main is 1415 I'd still make efforts stacking materials for the main swap because cumulatively for you its going to be around 27k+ gold, 1500+ greater leaps, 894+ leaps, 76k+ guardian stones, 25k+ destruction stones, 200k+ shards, 900+ basic fusion, 470+ simple fusion. Thats "worst case" so like probably a decent number of pities and such

timber mauve
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Yeah, I’d def suggest exhausting all sources of gold since you’ll need a lot to main swap.

shut pasture
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Yeah that gold amount isn't counting class engraving or accessories for getting at minimum 4x3

narrow pier
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i have class engraving chest from green to purple.

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and legendary is out of reach anyway xD

timber mauve
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Yeah, but you need accessories.

narrow pier
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I maybe will need to buy gems too.

timber mauve
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And a rock.

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You can stack gems by running all characters’ chaos dungeons.

narrow pier
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I will get basic accessories from power pass T3 and the other one from chaos DJ. Yea the first chaos will be hard but it's ok.

timber mauve
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You will need to buy acc for a 4x3 build.

narrow pier
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even with my actual main

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accessories cost too much to be bought

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4000+ gold for each one ..

shut pasture
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Thats cheap

timber mauve
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That’s actually pretty cheap.

severe rover
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that is affordavle

narrow pier
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lol

timber mauve
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Each one I’m looking at is over 60k. trolldespair

shut pasture
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Like I fucking wish I could get 5x3 by spending 4000+ per accessory

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Like B R U H

narrow pier
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for ppl that don't have 6 alt 1500+ it's impossible to buy.

shut pasture
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No it isn't

hexed night
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just stop honinh

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and save money 👍

shut pasture
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You're 1415, you can run argos normally every week, plus still run Oreha abyssals plus Valtan

severe rover
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no, i ahve one character at 1410 and alts and 1340 and could still manage 4k acc

timber mauve
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I set up 4x3 on my alt account with a single 1340 and a 1445 character. YEP

shut pasture
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Plus weekly una's token gold?

timber mauve
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Just gotta be smart with your build and what acc you buy.

shut pasture
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Mhmm

severe rover
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una's gold is super helpful. i got 2k from my medium chests this week

narrow pier
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2k gold per week .. need 6 month to finish my accessories.

severe rover
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plus 2.7k from argos, selling all my blue and green books

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i easily make 4k a week

timber mauve
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You do realize you get gold from Argos, abyssals, and legion raids… right?

narrow pier
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Argos give 1500 gold maybe yea

shut pasture
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2k~ from Una's tokens, 2.7k from Argos, 2100 from abyssal dungeon, 3500 from Valtan...

severe rover
#

paper is correct

narrow pier
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yea but i need to pay for argos, pay for abyssal and pay for guardian .. so at the end i don't have any gold.

shut pasture
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You don't need to pay for abyssal dungeon

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Free carries are consistently advertised cuz people want cards, just don't bid on books or anything at the end

timber mauve
narrow pier
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between 500 and 600 gold for Aira and Oreha.

severe rover
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argos bus is like1.2k, still a net profit. and Oreha hard mode pays well too

hexed night
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i havent had to bus once yet

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ive always managed to find carry parties

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or something

shut pasture
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Equinox like I said earlier, if you're not at least attempting to continue stockpiling you're just gonna end up stuck again

amber totem
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Ive spent majority of my gold on setting up characters. Easily 100k+ for 4x3 only over 5 characters

severe rover
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and guardians are free as well. I'm not sure why you are paying for those.

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unbound leaps to sell as well from guardians

amber totem
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Unbound leaps gone up too since 1375 minimum ilvl to sell

timber mauve
narrow pier
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i need the unbound leap to stack.

severe rover
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chaos gate shard pouches from maps

amber totem
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Just snipe a free carry lobby for Oreha

severe rover
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there are lots of ways to earn

narrow pier
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I'm stacking so i think i'll have enough for the main swap.

shut pasture
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Add up what you have already. If it doesn't add up to what I math'd out for you above...you won't

narrow pier
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Stacking shard pouch is hard to do.

amber totem
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Have to do chaos gates

narrow pier
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And anyway if i need like a week or 2 doing chaos gate to get the alt up isn't really a problem.

jagged birch
#

Does the name change still work to make a name instantly available for re-use?

rose jewel
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never stopped working

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assuming we're talking about the paid ticket or deleting a char lv10-

jagged birch
#

paid ticket for a high lvl char

rose jewel
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both examples work instantly btw

jagged birch
#

ok sick as thanks

rose jewel
#

so the answer is the same, it does

daring idol
#

has anyone who completed their 4 day post-rowen purple quest and then swapped factions seen if you can start on the other faction's quest?

maiden locust
#

at 1490 I get 4 chances for legion raids, or it will still be 3, meaning vykas+clown+brel and dropping valtan

maiden locust
#

I see

hidden trout
#

Most ppl will drop vykas cause of how annoying it is, those leftover are mostly 1460 newbie/new character. If you don't have much free time I suggest u to drop it.

rose jewel
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pick 3 drop whichever

wraith basin
minor briar
hidden trout
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But Vykas have class engraving drop, Valtan don't so..

old dew
#

Which ways exists to aquire Amethyst Shards? Only through Prime Loot Page and Drop Events?

hidden trout
minor briar
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50

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but besides that, twitch stuff

old dew
#

I have currently 9500 but I am unsure what to buy first from the exchange shop ignoring the Pheon and CA (14 days)

hidden trout
#

if u dont plan to buy cash shop ship skin

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the whale is an option but there's no auto pilot

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so please buy the cash shop ship skin lmao

old dew
hidden trout
old dew
#

since when get's this disabled while it is only a skin

old dew
minor briar
#

u'll get more eventually

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think ive bought a few things from the shop

old dew
#

would have been possible todo this too but well, iRL problems ... have to catch up as fast as I can

hidden trout
#

or just save it until one day BC raised to insane price, you might actually consider buying pheon haha

old dew
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I don't care about fu pheon

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I have after all arround 400 still left

hidden trout
#

good for u

amber totem
#

if you haven't spent any since starting you get a bunch free

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but when you start building characters say bye bye to those

old dew
amber totem
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jfc

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Did you at least get a 9/7 or 7/7?

old dew
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gem?

hidden trout
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he doesn't know :C

old dew
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oh, I got a nice one

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let me hand over some island souls then I'll sswitch back to my main char

old dew
amber totem
#

Nice.

hexed night
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everyone i see bussing HM vykas do NHH

old dew
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NHH?

hexed night
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is that because its hard to bus g1 hm vykas?

amber totem
#

Damn I'm jelly of that stone. Did you set up 5x3+1?

old dew
#

working on it

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but I need more gold ^^

minor briar
#

and 10/5 doesnt do much vs 9/5

amber totem
#

Oh really? 7/7 better than 9/5 then?

minor briar
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no? 7/7 doesnt get u 5x3+1 either

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unless ur talking about ancients.. but why would u be

snow wadi
#

I know there's no 100% correct answer to this

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but what's the best items to craft and sell?
adrophine/awakening potion?

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hp pots?

minor briar
#

oreha

snow wadi
#

most of the splendid stuff sells high but looks worthless compared to their normal version

topaz jackal
#

if i stopped playing the game pre argos launch (1370pinn) how long would it take me to climb back up? any guess-timates?

minor briar
#

climb back up to 1520? <2 months maybe

rose jewel
#

or 3 days

minor briar
#

but then the new goal would be 1560 so.

cunning halo
topaz jackal
cunning halo
#

Just gather gold and chill til next month lol

minor briar
#

ehh, u can get by with 1-3 chars

cunning halo
#

Should get express event

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To boost one char

red mist
#

Hi, is the '[Weekly] I Must Protect' (chaos line in south vern) a roaster weekly mission?

rose jewel
#

chaos line weekly is indeed rosterwide, 2 entrances a week

red mist
#

is there other similar weekly missions to keep tracking?

rose jewel
#

are you doing your daily on anguished

solid moat
#

Just started 2 days ago is there a good way to get gold? Sorry if this is a bad question don’t know much lol

topaz jackal
#

is there a tech help channel?

rose jewel
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not really

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this aint the official discord, so we can only help so much

topaz jackal
#

great cause my shit buggin 😅

timber mauve
rose jewel
solid moat
#

I’m 1386 rn currently

pseudo atlas
#

all good ways to get gold early have been removed due to bot abuse or are terrible due to bot abuse

red mist
pseudo atlas
#

oh then do abyssals and sell tradable leapstones

rose jewel
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its an island

timber mauve
rose jewel
#

you can get a copium start drop from there, and you can buy a couple mats as well for alts or yourself

solid moat
#

Ok should I make more characters then rn

pseudo atlas
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yeah

rose jewel
#

if you want and can manage

timber mauve
rose jewel
#

6 chars total is the recommended sweet spot

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if you dont wanna make that many, 1 or 2 at least will help vastly

solid moat
#

Ok do I have to do the main story again?

timber mauve
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Yeah, I’d say at minimum 1-2 alts.

rose jewel
#

from 1 to 50, no, you can skip that horrible shit

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you should have gotten a north vern powerpass

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use that and get another one after

red mist
solid moat
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Ye I did buy it

rose jewel
#

it skips all the shit from 1 to 50 and you get 302 set as well

timber mauve
solid moat
#

Ye I bought the south one and hosted me to 1370 what does the north one do?

rose jewel
#

north vern is tier 1 territory, south vern is tier 3

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if you bought the SV pass then you def got a north vern pass in your mail

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have you used it yet

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like, right click

solid moat
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No I got it in my bank rn

timber mauve
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Just consume it. It’ll get added to you account so you can use it on a character.

solid moat
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Ohh ok sounds good

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What should I make my second character

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Idk what’s all good and shit

shut pasture
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Whatever you want.

timber mauve
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Support is suggested for raiding and other reasons, but whatever is fine. I personally hate playing support, so I don’t play it. YEP

shut pasture
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Same.

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But in terms of the DPS classes, really just play whatever you want. Everything works.

solid moat
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Ye I’ve never touched support in any mmo

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Lol

timber mauve
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Just watch some YouTube videos or something and go from there.

snow wadi
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just make sure to go on reddit and cry about support shortage once you have a 6+ dps roster with no support and you're not being invited to groups

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'/s

timber mauve
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I currently have a 10 dps roster and I’m big chilling. peepoPoopCheer

solid moat
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Lmao facts I heard finding support can be a task

shut pasture
solid moat
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Ok will do

timber mauve
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Yeah, just watch YouTube videos on the gameplay.

cloud pendant
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Do you guys run chaos dungeons for the sake of buying additional honing mats from the chaos dungeon shop?

rose jewel
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unrelated, i got "A-S-SS" in my dispatches today, nice

rose jewel
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its total ass, unless you play 16hrs a day and finished everything else

tight geode
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About Rowen factions, how do you know if red or blue is full?

minor briar
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"uncrowded" "normal" "crowded" "full"

lucid osprey
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i heard the red one is always full deadge

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or mostly

cloud pendant
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Which card pack has guarantee legendary card on it?

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From the shop*

lucid osprey
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the highest you could get would be Epic and Legendary

cloud pendant
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😦

minor briar
lucid osprey
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u can only get them in Challenge abyss dungeons

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and then fight for it ;d

tight geode
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Yeah red full a lot but luckily it's everyone's first so there were vacant spots later on

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Is it safe to say it'll be harder to join a full side later on if there are less new recruits?

main minnow
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I've just hit 50, still kinda early in Arthetine. I assume it's best to just continue the world quests until things unlock?

lucid osprey
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do you have to do feiton completly to do the unas there

stray goblet
old dew
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currently staying on Promise island for that achivment ... there some funny ones out there

cloud pendant
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Do you guys still buy box from valtan and vykas raid after getting to 1490?

rose jewel
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do you buy mats from market at a probable lower price

radiant flame
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*old mats you can't really use

rose jewel
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that's another one

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missed that point

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5:1 mats

old dew
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hmmm, is there an overview for zinnervale's rown faction?

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speaking of which one has the most members and how this system works 🤔

radiant flame
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i feel like unless you're super into rowen pvp it doesn't matter

pallid panther
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Guys is the T-Stadium wallpaper arena worth it ?

edgy sand
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Im missing leapstones to make 3 more T2 items ilevel 14.. Should i run chaos dungeon for that?

old dew
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if so, look for the sylmael exchanger and get a chest from him

rose jewel
edgy sand
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Should i join a random one for the chest?

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Need 66 leapstones and around 1500 guardian stones

radiant flame
radiant flame
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and do more leap unas

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you can also do a boss rush

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i'd just buy the stones

old dew
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not only this ... chaos guardians should have leaps too and shouldn't he be able todo these challenge guardians which are available with 460 if I am not wrong?

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there are many ways to get leaps outside of CDs

edgy sand
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OK, so i probably should do UNA with leapstone then and buy the guardian stones?

radiant flame
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if you want

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+14 isn't t3

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so, idk why you are rushing

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why not just take things easy

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wait until reset

edgy sand
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I dont understand? I need 1100 for punika, thats +14?

radiant flame
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no

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+15

edgy sand
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oh ok

radiant flame
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+15 on everything

edgy sand
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I have 3x +14 and 3x +13

radiant flame
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so you're 9 hones away

edgy sand
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So, what you recommend doing now then?

radiant flame
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just doing what you have been doing? chaos dungeon, unas until you finish honing?

edgy sand
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I haven't been doing UNA's cause someone told me to wait for that till T3 if i remember correctly

radiant flame
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at all?

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who told you that

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smh

edgy sand
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But will do CD and unas then

radiant flame
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yes there is an advantage to saving some rested but...not if you can't actually get there :<

radiant flame
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unas are your primary source of leapstones

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no wonder you're so many short

hollow scroll
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its not like there is a finite source and youll waste them before t3 NotLikeMegu

old dew
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also when you do unas and reach each stage you can and should collect the tokens and safe them

edgy sand
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OK 🤣

old dew
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if you have a bunch of them, go to the "Gold Shop" NPC and trade them for the highest available chest

edgy sand
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and there are some purple quests taht also reward those honing materials i saw so ill just pick those up while i go

old dew
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jip

hollow scroll
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and prepare for disappointment because no thicc bar BLUBBERS

edgy sand
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thicc bar?

hollow scroll
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gold shop

shadow briar
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What's the fastest way to get roaster LvL?

radiant flame
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large gold chests have a v low chance to give you a 10k gold bar

radiant flame
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doing horizontal

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doing continent MSQ with alts

shadow briar
hollow scroll
shadow briar
edgy sand
radiant flame
shadow briar
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Oh okay

radiant flame
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if your main is 1487 you should be doing your collectibles for at least the skill point potions

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or you're losing a lot of damage

hollow scroll
edgy sand
shadow briar
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Thanks

hollow scroll
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that should be it

brisk helm
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what can i do with bound honing mats cus my char is already t3 and i cant use/sell them also they are bound so cant even transfer them to another char

radiant flame
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nothing else you can do with them

brisk helm
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rip

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my bards needs them but cant transfer cus they bound

radiant flame
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¯_(ツ)_/¯