#lost-ark-help
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crit rate for dps, crit dmg for supps
Hot discussion in our discord right now: is grudge working in pvp?
this is easily the worst question I've ever seen
like what pvp... for gvg you take gvg build which doesnt have grudge and for normal pvp you dont have engravings
ya for gvg ofc
check gvg builds and you will see
the description quite literally says bosses, so I don't see how it would work
spoiler aint no grudge on gvg build 
i dont wanna see best in slot, i wanna know if grudge works for pvp ffs
check what bob said
Anyone has table that shows alts parking gold values pls ?
https://lostark-helper.com/roster make your char and it wil tell you
A set of helpful tools for Lost Ark
Tyty
Hello guys a friend get lvl 50 while power pass were disable, now he is tier 2 about tier 3 but he still didnt get the free power pass for get 2 alt at lvl 50 what he should do?
people still got the free powerpasses, they just couldn't use them from character select
now they can
So probably i miss something of how you get them or he probably get them from mail withou notice
Is the Upcoming server merging gonna be like EUW + EUC or between server's mini servers?
it just gets mailed to you when you finish vern
will wee ever get more than 9 lvl50 knowledge transfers?
he must've got them and they're either in his inventory or he already consumed them so he can use them in character select
euw is a region, if tthey said servers then there is no way they gonna merge regions, and also itt will take soo long for them to merge euw to euc if they even think of doing that
Euc or euw is a region. servers are within those regions so its only euw servers that merge
What is the point of that? If market and matchmaking were already server wide
Dunno ask them
because matchmaking and market are not the only things in the game
What else?
literally everything in compass
there is no point, your region is dead take the L and go to EUC
AGS said region merge is not happening anytime in the foreseeable future
Man speaks the truth
nothing else to do 
Do supports provide more DPS with buffs than a 4th Pure dps party member?
yes
you do more dps if you are not dead
What is the best class for bussing plz? I assume my paladin is not it.
You can 4 man bus tho
Is the punika pass just not happening anymore? I remember consuming the ticket and once they fixed it and allowed powerpasses to work again, my punika pass is no longer there
all classes are good for bussing except supps XD any class that uses hitmaster is gonna be better than ambush master class for bussing
send a ticket it should be there if you really used it
hey guys what doas that really mean i tried to enter it bbut cant
says right there weeky entry count exceed
This
Thats why sorc is pretty good for bussing
sorc and sh are amazing
ty
i have a dumb question, if i have 1 character on one server is it stuck on there?
click powerpass and click punika on character select
yes
I have a sorc but I'm so bad at it.
just get better then XD no one is born good
so if i have a friend that i wanna play with, i need him to start on the same server as me?
When you say 4 man, do you mean 4 bussers on a legion raid?
Yes. 3 dps, 1 sup
I found it! I swear it was all just blank yesterday LOL thanks
got it, ty
you can still do most content together but yeah ideally you would wanna be on same server
yeah bbut doas that meann the other 2 are for difficulties or deffirent legion commander or different character
people on different servers still can play together?
matchmaking is region-wide
yes its 1 entry per raid
!region
Cross Server (Region wide)
Raids, Dungeons, Cube, Plat Fields, Auction house, Character name, Boss Rush, PVP arenas
Server Specific
Guilds, Friends (list), Islands, Open world, Strongholds (cross in KR), GvG, Life skills (professions), Unranked Arena Premades (queue as party, this is cross server in KR)
Nothing is Cross Region
so the other 2 is for what?
ok thx u guys ❤️
just vykas rn
kakul soon enough
abrelshud in like 4 or 5 months
wat is the best 7/7 stone online calc?
alright thx
how hard it is to find groups for t1/t2 map rota? I mean based on the current shard prices its kinda obvious t1/2 maps are more valuable than t3, but Im afraid i would never find any group for them
you can only do 3 legion raids per character so when clown and abrel come out you have to choose 3 to do
cant you just do them solo
didnt expect I need to solo them, so does that means I get 4 times less reward than groups?
no idea lol
ok ty
yes that is how maps work, 1 map provides 1x loot
got it thx
Is waiting a week to get access to mokoko challenges worth it? Do they include good rewards like legendary card packs, rare engravings or T3 materials?
do you already have any character above 1370
how long is this going to pend? started at 23:22 , its been more than 20mins
not worth the wait imo, besides mokoko thingies are up if you have no chars above 1370 or at that ilv, and goes poof once you reach that
yeah, 24h passed already
press delete again dude
and it says pending since then, 24h was 20+ mins ago
ah ty, not sure why it wouldnt just say that somewhere
when am I "pushed"? what is the definition? I am asking cuz of the strong will engraving
because game's dumb
pushed is just cc that would cause your character to get knocked down or up into the air
whats the best engravings for deathblade
for surge: Surge/Amb/Adren/Grudge/Cursedoll. for remaining: Remaining Energy/SC/AMB/Grudge/Adrenaline or Cursedoll
Thanks
Is there anyway to convert blue quality stronghold farm materials?
says i can only exchange white/green
yes you can only go up more or less
how long is starting novice adventure buff
till you hit 1370
will the previous ark pass skins ever be obtainable again?
is destroyer as slow as it seems?
what is easier to survive with gunlancer or scouter
im thinking of making a destroyer alt and he seems fun but he looks super slow
Gl tanks everything
doesnt scouter tanks too
Not good as gl
ok thx
I have some new people in my guild with makoko symbols on them. They’re having problems finding parties after reaching 1370 as they need pheons to get gears.
Do you guys know any videos or guides I can share with them, for new players getting into the game. I feel that they’re going to have negative experience and just leave.
Sa 
?
Spirit absorb
does it make destroyer playable?
You can try it 
btw, how far does vern powerpass take u? to vern or to the end of north vern?
completes n.vern and shushire
so u start at the beggining of shushire essentialy?
the end of shushire (I believe?). when you n.vern pp I think has you work towards rohendal as your next msq
oh really? thats alot more than i though
also, can destroyer dps keep up with berserker dps?
can you exchange another rapports for another kind? so i can have all of the same one is there a guide for it or something?
I personally don't know. But from what I seen from people/read all the dps's are good/able to clear all content in the game with if you invest into them. Idk how easy/hard it is for a destroyer to mvp, but you'll be able to dish out your fair share of dps
no
booo
im asking since im a gl main, like 550 itl rn and i keep getting outdone by berserkers, im so tired of that ;_;
dps before 1370 is way unbalanced so it doesn't really matter
by the time i kill 5 enemies a berserker already one shot 15
zerker shines with mvp pre 1370 and pre-relic gear. I wouldn't worry about that
My 1370 destroyer is mvp in every raid with 45-55% dmg, but to be fair in this area there are a lot of newbies nowadays. My berserker(s) are also 1370 and do around 40-50, so quiet the same
Then you are using the wrong skillset lol
Yea but its just annoying get outdone 24/7
well the first steps are to make sure you're actually equipping the proper stats and skills
i did the best i could with gl, i tried following a blue gl guide to some extent
the second step is to equip the correct engravings, which you won't have because it's a waste of gold to do much more than lv1 class engraving
im runnin cr and addrenaline
Cmon gunlancer can get a 4x3 in under 5k gold excluding pheons
witha big focus on spec and crits, and all my skills are blue except surge canon
yeah i'll get my ilvl 550 gunlancer 4x3
With 1370
MVP is also an incredibly biased and shit system
read the conversation thanks
With destro or gl?
gl
im at hypnos' eyes travelling merchant at sea, do i buy the bottom 2?
So the stronghold farming flowers doesn't contribute to making hp pots?
Ye that’s totally normal then, gunlancer will never have as much dmg as a serker or destroyer. But like half the dmg, ur Tanks about 10-30x more
all stronghold mats go towards crafting bound stronghold items, look at farm tab
yeah, I wouldn't sweat it. You won't be dealing as much dmg as blue till you can get to 1370 where you're able to stack more dmg engravings.
The idea should be you should focus on improving your own play and learning mechanics (aka not dying(
Blue gunlancer is hella tanky with moderate dmg, you glance at surviving anything, not at highest dmg
best way to farm blue class engravings?
The most consistent way to farm blues is imo challenge guardians but weekly gated
any way to open these faster? like come on whats the point of making us waste 5mn opening them
*talking about the new gold coins from una bags...
Google, no idea where we got them from either then chaos infinite running and market
No way atm, my guess is they did it to prevent gold loss on disconnects
Its just a bug
they couldnt lock the una gold for 3 days if they didnt make the coins imo
best build for scrapper? taijutsu or shock training?
Shock late game, taijutsu for now
taijutsu is faster and more consistent shock is slower and more bursty
i see, fair enough
so when they release more ilvl shock will be way better?
so taijustu is faster combos?
yes its faster and spammy
and shock is more like a burst?
no build is unplayable so if you know how to play it it will be good
better to go with the one that suits your playstyle
i will go taijutsu, thanks
what is flashy?
i used the power pass on her today, i tried her a few minutes xd
is it easy to jump from 4x3 to 5x3? Am I better off just saving up to skip 4x3?
Whats does changing main on character selction menu do?
you cant delete your main character
Oooh i see thanks
and the 5x3 depends on if you have a 1415 and legendary engravings
you need atleast 1 legendary engraving and a 7 7 stone
you can have 5 6 stone if you have 2 legendaries but that comes out awfully expensive too
Gotcha, tyvm
How to clear chaos and cube in your 6 alts every fcking day? its impossible dead boring
i mute the game and put on a show or youtube
Ah yo someone in EUC who can nuke nacrasena twice for me? Sleepy af and MM scks ass rn
Oh fuck, my bad with the ping
i can only clear it when high af or else its no no
what are the best locations for mining ?
Just split them up into rested chars
So you dont have to do all everyday
anyone for magmadon on EU Slen?
how do people pay for bus in abyss hard modes
same way u pay normally? mail or ah
are sidereal skills aimed at where your character is looking or where your mouse is positioned
Most are a line from your char toward your cursor.
The +20% honing chance book?
It's most efficient when base upgrade chance is lowest, i.e: at +14.
so if my char is facing 6 and my mouse is pointed 12 and I press sideral. wheres it going to go?
From 6 to 12 obviously..
For sidereals, should you aim slightly before where it would hit the boss?
Well, it's mainly Thirain and Nineveh that are a line. I think Wei is more of a round-ish area.
And Balthor is just a round area around your cursor, with a max range.
You can probably think of Wei and Balthor as AOE skills like Doomsday on Sorc.
While Thirain and Nineveh are like Punishing Strike with the tripod that makes it deal damage in a line.
For nineveh and thirain?
Or should i just aim directly on boss
Since it’s a line, should i put my mouse right on the boss or slightly before boss?
Assuming boss barely moves
Or does it not matter at all
On top of the boss ofc.
Cuz that's always gonna be the most accurate.
You could ofc have the cursor somewhere else as long as the direction is right, but why would you?..
Kinda weird question :P
Can you get extra pets from powerpasses? Or only once?
Look ar the pet box. Does it show a checkmark? Then it's claimed and cannot be obtained again.
Yea its been claimed from my Vern Powerpass, and now I am using Punika Powerpass and it is showing obtained already.
So I just skip it then?
Up to you 🤷
does vykas hard also spawn 4 orbs? gate 3
ya and I can't press space bar fast enough
and more tentacles?
Is there a best day to buy blue crystals (e.g. tuesday right before reset or wednesday right after)?
Anyone else who is a returning player, did the mokoko quest and rapport rewards reset for you to claim a second time?
is the stella star drop chance based?
it’s rng yea @pine oasis
that's the rec. ilv yes
@maiden locust I did about 1h ago
obv people will prefer higher if possible, but 1400 is fine. As a tip, try joining a group when it has fewer people (e.g. 1 or 2) and they’re more likely to pick you
ilvl1400 is the minimum, but engravings and substats also matter
that depends on your engravings and substats
if you pick a group when they already have 6 or 7, it’s less likely since they probably have loads of applicants
what should i get ? im thinking of getting the legendary card pack, i already have the mount.
everything
@cobalt wind ideally you should be able to clear out the shop by doing dailies on your alts. Otherwise I would recommend legendary card pack (end game content needs good card sets)
buy out each week
im new to the games so sadlly no alts yet cause i just got my shadow hunter lvl 50
Yeah I can see that your character isn’t in T3 yet. Prioritize buying mats first then in addition to the pheons and legendary card pack
The free power passes are back, so I’d recommend getting started on two more characters using your north vern powerpass. When you clear punika at T3, it’ll give you another free power pass.
i cant decide between what support to play cause i like bard and arcana alot i just dk whats better or more fun
is having multiple accounts allowed?
Arcana isn’t a support. Either way, you get 2 free North vern powerpasses, so you can get both.

do we know from the other regions if the hoodie from the pet ranch is only available to be purchased once or can we purchase it multiple times? and if soo, how many of it?
ppl in kr have like 3-4 accs weird
Any reason why my main has 24 more skill points than my highest alt?
combat levels give 6 each, that's the only difference
yep that is it ty I read it earlier but forgor
should i get 2 of these with my card selection, i main shadow hunter right now but when scouter comes out to eu i will be maining him instead and from what ive seen they both use the same card set (also i already have Bahuntur
like you have 4 out of the 6 cards and want to get all 6? that doesn't do anything since you need 18 yellow pips on the cards which takes 6+ months
i only have Bahuntur from the set and i wanna try n get that set. if i shouldnt do that what should i do
you just keep them until you can use them for immediate benefit
save them
Is it better/faster to do echo level 4 or 1 (north Vern) for perception shards farm?
look for "Rapport Focus"
shards also scale with higher ilvl chaos dungeons, so higher the better
Any tips how new players acquire wealth, judgement/conviction runes?
is first impression or estoric better on wardancer?
anyone figured out how to do the bombardment mechanic on alberhastic ?
how do you increase crit rate?
crit stat, engravings, card set, certain class skills, certain gear sets
is stronghold furniture cap always the same, or does it increase
use the in game codex to see the locations you get them from and pick some of the easier ones, or the ones that align with your flavor of horizontal content - the good ones are all gonna take some time or some luck
does anyone know if servers in the same region share the same gold lockout every week?
that's rosterwide, every server is a roster, every roster has a lockout
i've been playing for a month now and i wanted to ask , do i transfer gems from my alts to my main till i get him to lvl 7 full gems ?
i've been doing so using the only 2 alts i have and i currently have full level 5 gems
personally i just bought full 7s
why cant i use my triports even tho ive unlocked all of them ?
are you in the region ?
different continent?
looks like you're on luterra
no im in luterra currently
hm yea luterra castle you have to be in the region to use triports
you can fast traval with the guy near sea exit for silver
ah okay thx
hello, does anyone know any tips to make a lot of gold from buying and selling in market?
i wanna buy skins on auction :D
tip #1 for making gold: dont tell others how to make gold
jk no one knows because everything can go up or down depending on way too many factors
hmm i see
hi, kinda dumb question but
how do I use my powerpass? I did not use my free one and only the buy option is showing to me
look for trends, find out what the "normal" value for items are
markets change around before/on the day of weekly reset
just try to use, it will show buy or use
no you can do it anywhere
should be in mail or universal storage
it will give you the option of activating it in the menu after
I dont remember having it on mail hmmm let me check on universal one
did you complete the questline bervers friend ?
maybe not, dunno whats that LOL
is that required
yes
it's a purple quest in punika. yes, it is required for the punika pp
all right, will check that, thanks
whole questline shouldnt take too long
dang did i miss feiton pass
yes it ended around a month ago
aw
has anyone gotten or know of someone who has gotten the punika compensation pack yet?
that's if they haven't used their hyper express yet
hm no t1-2 was reduced permanently everywhere
what gear levle does hyper express take me to?
1302>1370
ahh I thought you meant honing after using the punika pass lol. based on the context
1302 is t3 start right
but the express doesnt really help honing, it gives you mats, not % chance, iirc
and yes 1302 is the real t3 start
what honing percent should i be honing at
t1 and t2 just hone, its 100%
cus t1 - 2 has been 100 percent for free
1-2 100% after that it goes from around 80-35
im at punika rn
t3 is the "start of the game"
if you dont have the honing buffs from stronghold 80-30
waittt i have to work on stronghold???
t1-t2 is like the failed tutorial
only on researches
stronghold is quite important for a few things
if you dont care about the stronghold just get those
dang i have no clue what im diong in the strongold rn
you should care about stronghold
just do research and dispatch whenever you can
they increase the chance of honing by 10% and decrease some things by 20%
shards i think
start working on stronghold, now, the sooner the better
stronghold is kinda mid
just work on it
perhaps you dont know all the things it offers, that's why you see it as "meh"
what epic does it offer
watch a guide, would be better
pretty sure i know everything it does already
if you unlock the training camp you have pretty much all the benefits of it
well I guess it depends how you play the game. the honing buffs unlocked at 1460 save you a lot of gold when pushing alts to 1415
the training camp is one of the most QoL things, but ts not all
seals can be used to purchase things from merchants that would otherwise cost you a lot more in other currency
but if you dont wanna work on it personally, i wont tell you to
however, please dont tell people "dont work on it its meh"
im 54 stronghold im just saying its kinda mid
knowledge transfer, training
i got all of those things really early
ahh so you've been working on it
the rest is just meh you get cheaper basic orehas
good, just dont tell people its" meh"
I wouldn't rly call it meh if you get all those perks for spending a few minutes a day clicking some buttons
i dont want to see people complain in here "but you told me its meh wth" when they're 1500+ and stronghold lv3
hey i did say unlock the important stuff
that means working on it
researches for honing and training camp after that you can abandon it
to each their own
dont, just lets stop this c:
i just wanna be realistic telling them they have to work on it might lead them to not starting at all
it takes you 2 minutes of your time, prob even less
picking mokokos does too and noone does that either
lets just stop here, SH is good and that's it
eh why not
is there a spot to level hunting? I'm trying to collect world tree leaves
if you've cleared normal valtan, you cannot enter valtan hard that same week, right?
there is a island for it but there is a lot of bunnies and stuff in punika
specifically here
man I just 3 tapped two +16 to 17 lol. what a waste of a week
and what is the question?
just the one above if you're referring to me. I just hit 1445 so I was making sure I couldn't enter valtan hard if I've alrdy cleared normal this week
that was clearly not a question but ok
no you cant repeat
this is the question
Starsand Beach, Throw Axe at Mining Stones.
it ends with a question mark and is grammatically correct, so it is a question
Is anyone aware if the punika pass we were given has an expiry date? On the server select it says that it doesn't and was curious if I could save it for scouter
It has one set for i thin 28th of September. And no you wont be able to use it for Scouter.
They time out 1 day before Scouter Release.
When I buy a bus, does it include all three stages or just a specific one
Argos Bus? Yes all.
I think they confirmed you won't be able to use it for scouter, unfortunately. I wanted to do the same
Nice thank you
Pretty sure any bus includes all the gates
Is it worth it? Im missing two gear pieces
it's worth it if you think you can't clear it before reset. personally, I'd be willing to lose out on a little bit of gold, assuming your bus cost is lower than your overall gold received from clearing p3
Does anyone know what Maneth's spawn times are?
Thanks!
if I dismantle argos blood armor do I get the mats back to reroll it? it's freshly crafted. also is that worth it to try and get higher item quality
Around every 2h after last Kill. Not a Set Time. You are gonna have to camp there for a while. Make sure to bring friends if there are multiple channels, because spawn times are individual per Channel.
There's only 1 channel for his spawn area :/
Yes you can reroll into better Quality. It only costs Gold at that point. [Relic Items don't refund the Stones of Chaos]
is it worth it?
no
thanks
Worth it? Depends on your Weapon Quality. Armor quality does not matter. But around 50 Quality for Argos is obv good enough. Having a 0 Quality weapon might be worth that money.
But make sure you did not yet Gear Transfer before you dismantle! Only +0's are to be dismantled.
I decided against rerolling and thanks for the advice. gonna do hard mode chaos dungeons for the weapon and argos armor I think
is there any reason to have full preordained past 5 pieces?
not really
most people will go choosen weapon, to save a bit of gold by not crafting a argos weapon
imma follow them on that
need help with oreha
With my 3th character I already reached 1100 gear score however I don't have the option for transfer knowledge Any Ideas? and yes I completed punika with my main and even transfer knowledge my second
It's just this 3 character that don't allow me to
You mean do all punika quest?
yes the storyline
you can do 1 knowledge transfer per 1 manual completion
should say 2/3 completions on the kt page
i wouldnt suggest using a powerpass because you are already 1100
so you did 1 manual completion on your main so you used your 1 knowledge transfer on the 2nd character
Oh I see that's why uh
you could just make another alt and powerpass that and then kt the 1100 one...if you really wanted to dump gold
whats the efficient way to upgrade my gear to get 1415 gs for support? I remember someone told me to focus on armor and legs
it's for all kt
actually i think i'm wrong it's like 1->3->5->7
Make sense
yes it increases by 2 for each kt because the kt itself also counts as a completion
oh that's how it works
how much gold I need to upgrade from 1302 to 1370 alt with sh buff ? 
I can't use max roll calculator on phone somehow
12 12 17 17 12 12
head/shoulder/pants/legs/glove/wep
Is there anything I should know before Argos bus?
I did only P1, is there any wipe whole team mechanic if Im noob?:D
you just take off your gear and run facefirst into the boss and die and then the bussers take care of everything
yeah if you are getting bussed just make sure you die asap 😄
ok lmao
uh, did you do p1 this week?
no
okay
I just remembered the last moment:D

so out of beatrice, sasha and nineveh which rapport is the easiest one to get
for the giants heart beatice since you only need friendly 1
ninav and sasha are a royal pain in the ass
ty
Anyone know if bervers friend powerpass is only 1 time per roster ? 
Can it be done on more characters for more powerpasses 
I assume this from the excel sheet means that I should always buy the chest as long as the number is higher than 100? But I get only the chest at the bottom if I do P3, no?
You can buy a chest at the end of your run and if you opted to claim the loot
If you end argos in p1 and claim p1 loot, you can buy a p1 loot chest
If you end argos in p2 and claim p2 loot, you can buy a p2 loot chest
1 time per roster
but that questline gives basic crafting material that you can use for honing if you do it on alts
takes a bit of time, but saves a bit of gold
Where are the best places to spend life energy and not have to repeatedly fight mobs or run around a ton? I wanted to start collecting world tree leaves since I have none
looking for a certain life skill? are ya t3 yet?
I'm T3! No life skill in particular.
IMO
Fishing: Tideshelf
Excavating: Niheltalop's Thoughts (Island)
Hunting: Starsand Beach(?)
Will we get a new login calender or nothing for a whole week?
nothing
I see! Thank you! I'll check them out!
Ty
time for ol Credit card
For the others I'd definitly get superarmor on your equipment, but I don't know any special spots except for tideshelf path for logging and gathering and starsand beach for mining
is there a maintenance today?
Ye it's a grind no matter what so
god ***** anyone know how long before maint?
less than 2 hours should be 1 1/2
Anyone has the distribution of gold of Valtan norm vs hard
3,3k vs 4,5k according to this https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/vzcaqz/comment/ig7z9tq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Ty
idk if u guys can answer this but if i'm already at 1500, should I give GHLs from events and stuff to my alts? since when brelsashza is out, i'll use different leapstones and the exchange rate wouldn't be worth it.
Also will the solar protection mats still be usable later on?
Anyone could link me picture with how to hone gear till 1415?
oh yea totally give them to alts
what do you get from doing weekly unas except the quest reward itself?
Big progress for this bar for gold and a lot of roster xp
if the token bar is already completed, then?
how much roster xp
If you're running 6 characters and doing only minimal daily on them once per 2 days, you still are able to easly do 3 quests, and it's 4020 roster exp per character
1340 isnt much roster xp or is it?
1340 x3 per character per week, so 4020 per character x 6 = 24120 exp per week
for f2p alt users
how much is 1 full roster xp bar ?
i guess you cant 

move the chat box up
5head amazon
hm i guess not thats not worth it at all
For me it's free resources for doing nothing ( you can do quest for chaos dungeon/guardian soul harvest)
yeaaa but i would have to click the button

anyone know what level stronghold you need for lvl 7 crafting workshop?
tyty
how do i get guardians will stones?
when i look it up all i see is how to use them but now how to actually get them
yo quick question i just hit 1370 did argos and oreha hard
Guardian stones? from chaos dungeon/guardian raids
and i still have the blue set
now what i do buy chosen weapon and argos set or what ?
There are also some islands that give you them
I assume Driver = high GS person and busser = person who pays for getting carried?
Oh guardian will stones, those drop from the gate of paradise abyssal dungeon
this should help i think
All abyssal dungeons you can only do once a week per character
ok thanks alot
which argos set to go for depends on your class
oo so damn in order to complete the set of armor id have to go through a day a week of dungeons
It has been a long time for me but i think if you just run all 3 dungeons you get enough for the full set?
You're still in tier2 it sounds like though so you don't need to craft it unless you just want to. You won't use it anymore once you are in t3 which is at 1100 gear score
yea i barely started feiton but im already at item lvl 1000
Getting to t3 has been made a lot easier. I would try to buyout the Maharka event shop if you can for the mats if you haven't this week, i think servers are going down for maintenance very soon
oh right totally forgot about that, thanks
what ilevel should i go to Rohendal?
460
How much total character item lvl will go up if i upgrade one armor part from +15 to +16?
i have 1410.66 and i wanna do abyssal after reset before upgrading further
2.5
so i can safely do one more upgrade then?
ya
Does gear transfer from epic t3 to legendary t3 reduce the + level
It just hit 1370 and I believe +15 is the cap for epic t3 equips right
If my chaos dungeon got interrupted by maintenance does entry get refunded or no?
Yes it drops to +6 but maintains the 1370 ilvl
so your honing chances goes back up
Cool, so I just do the hard Oreha dungeons now and maybe look to Argos right?
nope no refund, plan to not be in chaos when maintenance hits
yep
yep! Hard oreha + an argos P3 bus will get you enough to craft all 6 pieces
Yeah, and one more question, is it hard to find a bus in less crowded servers like Rohendel? I tried finding a bus but all are in Valtan, Mari etc
The find party should be region based so doesn’t have to be your server, when it comes to payment u can pay via a listed gem/item
some ppl dont like having to deal with AH so they just take people from their server so u can mail, shouldnt be hard to find "any serv" bus tho
Ooooh ok. I previously played in RU and when I look for a bus they only accept people from the same server
Yeah that happens, I think there are still busses that accept any server in NA tho
it's the majority of busses that accept any server, in my experience
how can i get mats for my alts other than the towers, chaos, guardians etc. are there islands that are repeatable for mats?
Cool, is there any channels where I can look for buses here?
there's a whole bussing section of channels
the channel with listings are behind region roles
i have a lvl 50 gunslinger what other class should i do for my secondary
Ah no wonder. Ok I'll go assign my roles, thanks
That’s about it, islands, chaos line and thronespire are 1 time only, could buy the event shop every week
ah kk
Oh there is a weekly challenge abyssal dungeon that gives honing mats, u can select t2 mats from those
when the maintenance in mari done?
#announcements up to 4hrs
ty
ddont forget pirate coins
guild shop as well
just a regular maintenance tonight? nothing new when its over right?
Any you feel comfortable with. You can select anything random and completly different to not burn out easly while doing daily stuff, or make second same character for double chance for gems/accesories.
I like to recommend tai scrapper as a class because its not too hard, mobile, does good damage and I have yet to see a single person that didnt like playing it.
But its based on preference lol
was there a tool/website which tells me which chests after the current raids are worth taking?
use your noggin lmao
Playing multiple of the same classes is a really efficient thing to do as you save gold on gems and books yeah, but thats not for everyone. Gets boring for most people.
wild idea ik ik
Great reply, very helpful. As expected from an artist main. Jokes aside here's the link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1VvGOZXOWv0mD9KkZLGHNxFylv5vzmE4lGqGz50HT6M4/htmlview#gid=1299188745
ill make more gunslingers in the future
i was planning to just play 1 char but i have a new friend so why not level up someone new
i wanna do someone not dps but isnt there only bard and paladin
If you wanna play a different character I might suggest a support.
Having a support in your roster is always great. We need more supports and its a huge time saver since its easy to get in groups.
Paladin is much easier to play than bard imo.
is there more supports and also is there another class thats not dps/support
gunlancer i guess
Right now there's only Bard and paladins that are considered support. (We'll get artist in the future, my guess is like march next year or something)
Some people consider gunlancer somewhat of a tank, but honestly he's not. He's a dps
There's only dps, or supports.
is there anything my gunslinger cant do that i should have another dps?
Every class can do pretty much everything
When I say everything I mean everu content in the game*
how to do you farm gold in this game
you level a ton of alts and run shit on them
Una's, selling stuff, and weekly raids 
i recently hit ilvl 1335 and i ran out of gold while honing
Mostly from your weekly raids/una's tokens.
Some on the side from selling stuff, crafting and some through rng through your chaos dungeons
ok thank you
begging some whales can work too 
And a minimal amount of gold through some quest.
Next week we'll get a new event on maharaka island which also gives gold, Im fairly sure (unless they changed it compared to KR due to the botting issue over here)
is selling footpics for gold considered rmt?
No as thrre's no real money involved.
i wish na had artist rip
Yeah only na fk eu 
make multiple accounts, get them all to t3, do weeklies and raids on all accounts and funnel that gold into your main account
thats a lot of grind
you want gold you have to grind
but it took me less than a week to go from t1 to t3
so i expect the same with the other acc
setup will be annoying
but youll make shitload of gold each week, even if you stop at 1370 on the small accounts
and how do you funnel the gold from other accs to ur main acc
mail it?
just make characters on other accounts on the same server as your main account
you can mail gold and honing mats
sound pretty good

should i make multiple characters for each acc too ?
Ur gonna get burned out real quick doing that
when is kuku exactly?
End of september
How many hours does this maintance still last
that depends on you but ye ye is right you might burn yourself out
at least if you dilligently do all dailies on all accounts
Guys when does maintenance end 
Idk, I've only been in this discord for months. Let's try asking others
pretty sure that's against tos XDD it says you can have multiple accounts but they cannot interact with one another implying you cant funnel your main account from alt accounts
show me where, i checked the TOS for it
Roxx said it once somewhere on the forums
show me
note, i am not being sarcastic but i wont go off of roxx said it somewhere
i looked through ToS and it;s against ToS to share accounts, trade accounts, do RMT and this kinda stuff
I do remember her saying sometehing similar but I can't remember if it was about cross server alts or multiple accounts
why not put it into ToS then
i dont make the rules
like multiboxing being bad i understand but just playing on multiple accounts seems kinda weird
i would try asking in forums again and see if there's an updated answer
ye i know i am just thinking, coz these hearsay rules are strange and usually misinfo
Was not roxx but yeah https://forums.playlostark.com/t/second-account-allowed-roxx/350377/9
lol thats way more complicated. IF you dont have public IP - all of the clients of an ISP have basicly same IP adress. So its not sharing 1 computer. Its like thousands of computers are connecting from the same IP from 1 ISP. So no, there is no chance they would know if you dont have public IP, or they would have to check MAC adresses… Thats...
Think an ex cm answered it
so what does this mean then
for multiple players in same house i guess
It means your wife,brother, sister etc is allowed to play with his own account on a seperate machine or on the same at different times.
i mean if you are 2 different ppl you wouldbt be funneling 100% or close to 100 of your earning to the other person
I can see this guy posting, is he like ex-CM or something?
Same network is Fine, Same Person in two steam accounts isn’t allowed
yeah
that means u can have funnel from an alt acc on the same ip to ur main acc
or the same pc

My wife and I am playing from the same flat too, we sometimes funnel to each other, but not everything at all. Just to support each other
Well I guess then dont make multiple accounts because CM said no
idk im not an expert XD if it goes back and forth its probably fine
it makes sense from a botting perspective
glad u told me early
but im sure with proper review, u can tell if the system is being exploited or not
ik lots of ppl who funnel and they are fine but i wouldn't risk it myself
i had no idea, since ToS says nothing about it
or i would already started with the alt acc
AGS failing on communication again

probably falls under "unfair advantage" or whatever
yea they like to put random stuff under that
can you do the dailies on diff characters ?
while it's not really unfair since anyone can do it
anyways lets get this channel back to topic
Yes

imma just stick to that then
isnt helping players a topic and help not getting banned is pretty important 
i think we've reached a conclusion on the topic
any more is just extra discussion
this is more of a QnA channel
okay but one more question, the guy is an ex-CM should we take the guy seriously? 
there might be reason why he is not a CM anymore 
The content they linked is still valid regardless of that person's status
Why would you do a second account anyway and not just another alt on the same acc
6 char gold limit
char limit on gold, more weeklies each week, etc.
you can do multiple challenge guardians too, etc etc.
i mean theres a limit for a reason...
And you want to do more than 6 chars for abyss etc? I guess the penalty if burning out is harder then a ban from ags
Is it even worth to lose argos over clown for all the extra effort?
for some people LA is a job
as they have none
I understand kind of why they would be against it since it's bypassing roster limits, but it requires wayyy more dedication and hard work to maintain that. Also why is it allowed in KR but not in EU
Fire do you know? Is it because KR doesnt have a but issue?
Still burning out
guessing u mean the extra rewards?, id say so
You don't like doing legion raids or something?
You get more gold from clown than Argos, and you get doots for upgrading your set bonus
KR has a stricter limitation on account creation in general
each account is bound to a kssn verified cell phone
Oh so to make an account they have to get another phone number basically?
Yep okay makes sense
you have to steal someone else's identity
each number can make 5 accounts tho
Nah you just pay to borrow it 
from what ive heard
Sure. But argos is braindead button afk mash. And the other one is try hard. And the gold difference is not super huge for that i think?
Wait what so they allow it basically
easier way is to just make 6 alts on diff servers
2600 to 4500 gold and argos gold will be nerfed
Dp you wanna do brelshaza some day?
Legion raids are much easier than argos looking at the random damage you get
Less rewards and trading is more difficult defeating the funnel purpose
You cannot use express on the same account twice for example, etc.
Argos gold will be nerfed? Nanni
not at 1475
true i guess, and i do think there might be other limitations in kr as well
What are you playing the game for if you are trying to avoid playing the game and just play afk content?
Yes KR and RU gets 1600 for Argos clear
im just not awareof it
Likely it will be nerfed on EU too
Time to ask Jills 
Well. To farm some easier f. Till you are ready to move on to legion i was thinkinkg. I often play 2 games at the same time. My rune terra card game while doing argos. Cant see me soing that in smthibg like clown raid
Wouldn't that be up for you to decide then? Why are you asking here if u already have your mind made
Dno. Seem kinda pointless playing a game if you just want to avoid playing content to afk farm. Seems like the idle farm games is better 😄
I just didn't understand the original question or the goal of it
I dont know seems kind of pointless to question other people's way to enjoy the game 
maybe they can do crafting lol
True. Some people enjoy just farming. Though LA is probably the worst game in the history to play in that case since everything is time gated
Not everyone is built for the most high-end content and doing it at ilvl
Not everyone even likes the raids that much, in NW all I did was professions. Under lvl 30 after 100 hours but 100+ on many professions
Best thing you can do is accept how other people play and help them with their queries when they have some if you want to help 
so guy i need some help,. what quest give me the pp 1302!!
the powerpass i mean
berver's friend in punika
man i cant take this ques idk why but which NPC
I forget which npc it starts with, but you can try googling "berver's friend" and lostarkcodex should show you the right one
Use https://lostarkcodex.com/ it indicates the previous quests needed and the starting npc
ty alot men 
no
Just deleted my bard to create a shadowhunter cuz demon booba update soon, 1-10 rate my decision pls
0/0 coz that's personal enjoyment
How the next global honing buff gonna look (kuku one) +10% to everything till 1415?
cant rate what you enjoy or dont :c
if you enjoy demon boobies its a 11/10, if you regret it its a -1/10
It was basically a “is booba buff on shadowhunter a good reason to create one?”
11/10 then, thank you sr for the quick reply, I feel less miserable now
What are they updating on SH?
Do you need normal panecea or splendid for the orbs gate 1 valtan?
if ur bussing and picking all the orbs you need splendid
So you pick all orbs, how much time you have to use splendid after?
guys, considering how acc pieces will very likely go up in price leading up to/after clown, is it wise to buy the relic pieces I need for my 1300+ and 1370 alts now? I know which build I want for them. my main is 1445 currently and I plan to have it hit 1460 before pushing my alts. I've invested in a 4x3+2+1 set for it as well
you pick 1 orb then use splendid to pick up the rest. you have like 2 sec or something to pick them up
How do you survive gate 2 valtan when not using balthor, you pick the orb, but i know he can also wipe your orb, what attack was that?
You can only buy them on alts at 1415, even if you mail them to your alts it's 50 pheons (25 to buy, 25 to accept)
oh what? so if I'm not 1415 yet, I can't even buy them on the market
welp, that simplifies things lol. guess I don't have to worry about it then. thank you
you pick up blue orb, then dodge the cog, and the buff takes the damage from the wipe
the one where he lift the axe and does this at 130 bar and you gotta dodge the red
While the demand might go up, relic acc will still keep dropping as more people get alts to 1415
I see. do you predict that the prices will go up while still maintaining availability then?
Honestly not sure but I think alot of players have their clown setup or have been working on it atleast since they announced it
Don't expect a major dip to worry about
accessories will eventually become cheaper after clown than they were before, because it also gives relic accessories and replaces argos which only gives leg
I guess it's unpredictable haha. just with the current state of crystals I'm a little concerned about future spending
that makes sense
Oh right. great
What stats are needed for valtan bus hard?
dunno i only bus argos cuz valtan takes too much effort
Is Scrapper the tankiest DPS besides Gunlancer?
looks at destroyer in the corner
Destroyer is 2nd and scrapper is 3rd in terms of base stats
Would argue Artillerist/Scouter is tankier than scrapper though with shields
Isn't Zerk with the card set the tankiest?
wardancer with energy combustion + combustible armor is high up there as well
Got some one the growth support pack allready ? Could not use mine Powerpass but didn’t got anything
Im just making a wd. is that energy combust / combust armor for FI or Esoteric?
How to use splendid panecea to use for valtan 1 orbs? you gather 1 orb use the pot then gather rest? or gather all of them then use or?
alternate colours wdym?
the orbs, alternate the colours when collecting
I dont get it, why is that relevant?
You using panecea
Also arent they all different colours i never paid attention to it
because that's how the mechanic works, if you grab two of the same orb colours back to back it'll trigger the wipe regardless, but since you're doing it solo it's harder to mess that part up
Hmm okay thnx. i see someone walk a circle in a yt video
making weap from+20 to +21 is a waste or not?
Cuz of gear transfer into new quality? +20 is best to keep..?
Hi is there a way to check if you did all the rosterquests you need to do on your main before using powerpass?
alternate doesn't matter just grab in order
starting from 1 go clockwise
u dont need to grab the first orb then panacea even tho it gives u 30miliseconds more time to grab, just panacea right before u pickup and make sure to grab all or 7 while panacea is active
anyone know: if I do challenge guardians on a 1415, transfer the reward box to roster storage; can I open the highest ilvl reward on my main? (1485)
tried checking file integrity?
checking rn
so argos is 1370/1385/1400. this is my first time being 1385 so today i will probably p2 argos, does the matchmaking queue me up with 1385 people or most of the time it's 1370 so i should find a party? ty in advance
use groupfinder as matchmaking is random
ty again
when i launch the game i get this screen then it just closes
try
restarting steam or restarting your pc
about the powerpass being enabled, didnt they say theyll give a free punika powerpass or did i read something wrong?
or checking file integrity
servers are still closed for me T^T
Hey guys is there a chest 3 at 1475 item level from guardian weekly raids?
EAC offline after update 
is life energy for one char or whole roster (10k)
roster
a chest 3 ?
We have the 1460 XI chest but not the 1490 chest
Is it okay to just unequip when i enter then put my gear back ?
Nope. It uses achieved item level, not current item level.
unequiping doesn’t give you the gold lol
Ok and i still get reward just less right ?
Ok thx
You get T1 mats and gear, which is kinda useless.
Only reason to run lower level dungeons is the ~2% chance of getting a Legendary card from them.
But that's really inefficient use of time unless you've got nothing else to do.
There's so many other important things to grind for, not to mention other more reliable ways to grind for legendary cards.
has anyone got their punika growth support yet
Yo guys, is there any way I can change the typing challenge to arrows in Vykas G3?
No
Might be possible to do controller input, but then you gotta use a controller 
But you can't really change keyboard keys since it's not using any keybinds, it's just direct input.
I used to play audition (the arrow typing game) and I was good. Now I just can not make my brain to understand these letters. Can I practice somewhere?
#info-dump has vykas typing training website
Cool ty so much I'll do it!
What are these vykas lobbies with "title run"
Vykas title required
You can obtain Vykas title and equip and everyone sees on ur profile if they check ur stats and stuff
How you get it?
What is the title called
vykas's
Btw is +21 waste or not for your honing?
worth it or not. i just 3 tapped my +20 weap to +21 with fused leapstone xD
20 is "succubus", 10 is "Vykas's"
wat do i do
toggle preset 1 and 2
if it's not associated with any gear set, you can zone to another place or swap your set
Guys i wish to make an alt. I m thinking of Striker. is it good?
how can i tell that
underneath the stats, it'll say "gear presets" with lit up numbers. if it doesn't have that, it's not in any set
have you figured it out?
Might be better to save Fused Leaps for Ancient gear upgrade since chances go up significantly.
Not if you're new. It's above average difficulty and kinda needs higher rarity Wealth runes to perform well.
Scrapper is a better Martial Artist for newer players.
i have a noob question: so i have two chars, and i do una's on one char 3+1. Now can i do those very same quests on an alt char also 3+1 and will this count towards progress? Let say i need to repeat a specific una for 10x to get an item, will i get that in 5 days instead of 10 if i go with two chars on the very same quest?
For 3 man bus, does the support usually go with sun or moon side for p2
una's only counts once a day for progression, you can see the greyed out points while doing it the second time (even if dif. chars
open dismantle window, put the item inside, open your char profile, click the preset name, press ok, dismantle
have to do it everytime?
it's almost everytime i switch stuff xd
I think this isnt the case tbh, i just did the same una at both chars...
you get the items it rewards, you just dont advance towards the una's points
holy f*ck i forgot the name of the points
una's token?
no
mmmm
reputation
that thing
if you get silver from the una, you get silver on as many chars as you do it, but reputation only counts once, 10 points a day
and its reputation that untimately gets you teh end reward, say an Giants Heart?
restarted pc and fixed
you work for an una's for lets say.... 14 days, then at the reputation tab you get freebies for 3 days, 4 days and 7 days
usually the last reward is the big price, skill potions, giant's hearts, virtue's potions etc
and some una's you gotta work your way for 21 days~
sometimes more, so its recommended that if you want to advance those things, your alts do all kind of important collectibles from una's dailies
and your main keep doing leapstones una's daily
Hello, am I the only one who has such an error when buying a powerpass?
what about Deathblade assassin?
Paid powerpasses are disabled
can I transfer skill tree/tripod from relic gear to legendary?
tripod library works for that sole reason
Thanks
Hi, pretty fresh level 50 here, not sure what to use my 2nd powerpass on, if I should even use it already at all. currently have sorc + bard on 50
The more alts, the better
As someone who's trying to rush 1415(current 1396) should I take abyss chests or no?
there should be a doc pined here telling the worth of chests
Can you get a 5x3 w 6 6 stone?
check #info-dump there's a table there
Yeah. Both assassin classes are decent alts for new players. But they also suffer slightly from lack of Wealth runes.
Pally is a great addition since you've already got 1 support.
They can share some engravings.
Sweet, thank you!
pally is boring
hah, im welcome to other suggestions if you have one
Pally is pretty simple, but still fun ^^
He's a beast at high-level raid counters.
that's just personal bias against him, ignore me
i have one myself so im no one to talk lol
I enjoy my Pally more than my Bard ATM, but my Bard is only 1430, so no relic set yet.
I have a feeling that you also play leauge @rose jewel
Also ty, I haven't checked pins
everyone in the world plays league
Yes, they give about the same amount of golds worth of resources as the gold you spend on them.
Grab them as long as you're not short on gold.
moon usually
is euw up?
some people hate me for that
"Why dont you just tell me the answer instead" is what i get
I got one of those a couple hours ago 
welcome to my life
Another question, do Argos gate ilvl requirements stay 1370 or if it changes how so?
there's 2 things, req. and rec. ilvl
I mean it does appear rude at first but it's better for them overall
Required is 1370 to enter, Recommended is per gate, being 1370, 1385 and 1400.
If you're not in the recommended ilvl you get more damage and your attacks get blocked
argos is 1 whole raid consisting of 3 gates (or parts as we call them), you run them in order every week, but you can stop whenever if your party doesnt match the rec. ilvl
if you stop and dont get loot, you can try again whenever, if you get the loot for part 1 or 2, you're weekly gated
I haven't had the chance to join any guilds or groups so what I've done till now was just get into the raid, do phase/gate/??(basically first fight) 1 get the rewards and peace out
that's the usual
you get the other alternative, which is very cost effective, get a bus to part 3, basically pay and get carried, you get more gold and mats than just doing p1 by yourself
Well good to know. it only took 3 taps though
some people are against that and that's understandable, but it is actually really good if your char/alt is parked at 1370
I mean God bless if I hit 1400 today isn't it possible to do all of them normally?
lets gooo 1400 fresh anybody wanna teach me argos
yeah i got someone, he's named youtube 😄
mechanics are plenty so you're better watching a vid
but believe me, even if you watched it and memo it all, there are some 1460+ that doesnt even get p3 argos mechs
so dont feel bad for dying here and there
cough cough he means watch a video 12 times
watch a vid and yolo, its easier than p2
God thing I can just press Z and ignore mechanics
disgusting GLs
stay jealous
Hi guys. I'm sorry for asking this question, but it's been 20 minutes I'm looking online for an answer and can't figure out what's going on.
I relogged in the game after a 5 months almost and all my characters are gone. I can't find any answer anywhere that is explaining what is going on.
All my servers on EU west have 0 characters and my roster level is back at level 1. Can someone explain what's going on ?
I also press z to ignore yoho nados
are you using the same steam account? otherwise idk
Yeah, didn't change my steam account for years
are you sure your roster was on EUW? They changed the default from EUC to EUW
try changing to EUC servers and see if anything pops up
that's what im thinking
Try switching region to EUC you may of started there
I've never heard of anyone's chars being deleted
i've heard it a couple times, turns out they were on another region
Guys, did they fix the Punika pass? I still dont have it on my account
so yeah they panicked for nothing
I'll try switching server 😕
did you even get it
as in right click the ticket
I used it even, as in I right clicked on it and it was there I just did not use it because had no character slots
Did they change something with server ? I'm playing from France and I'm pretty sure France was part of EUW haha
i've heard people from france have better ping at euc anyway
EUC was the only European region on launch, and then they added EUW and set it to the default. if, for whatever reason, your steam "lost" your cached files saying that you were on EUC, it may point you toward EUW as it's the default, despite your roster being on EUC
have you tried using it, there should be 2 buttons when you do, buy or use
Oh !
That would explain a lot
Indeed, I have all of my characters on EUC. Thanks for answering me. I would never have guessed it xD
Oh.. I actually didn't yet, I will try to see, but it doesn't say that I have it
I've never seen any local files record what characters you actually have on which servers, and your config file just records the last region you accessed. a new installation/file would point at EUW 🙂
and awesome, glad it worked
Happy to help
It shows now, thank you!!
No they took it out for like 2 weeks or so because of issues and re-enabled it today
yeah i know, i meant when you used it
Ooh
the UI is not intuitive, it's like forcing you to buy 
Now to decide if I should use it on reaper or on a paladin..
That was my thought too! LOL
throw a coin, best of 9 wins
haha that's a cool way to think about it but a paladin would make more sense since i believe reaper will come in 2023
Already did
pally then if you have no supports in the roster
But I never played a support before.. what if i suck at it
just push buttons and you mvp
- all supports in existence
and if your mates die they suck
That doesn't sound that bad. Maybe I will go harass the paladin chat and learn more
OH! That I know. If we cannot clear I just press Quit dungeon and blame everyone after first wipe right?
you'll prob get the same answer, unless you start doing legion raids with guildies or statics
Well.. maybe Valtan at some point for the money but idk if i would bother with vykas. I still buy busses for her
be sure to call them gamer words as well, also T pose them before leaving
That's my favorite!
vykas as a support is the easiest thing in the world
you have no idea how bored i got when i was on my bard instead of wardancer
you are far from the damage (bard has to shield close but heavy armor = pokes only) you just heal whenever they get hit and thats it
and if they die they're bad (usually its wipes but eh)
also you cant even shield them coz they run like headless chickens all around the arena
10/10
that's why i have 2 bards
is there a guide on how to efficiently get 4x3 engravings
we dont have our API yet, so no there is not really a guide
oh wait 4x3? that's free, 6/6 stone, purple books, and legendary accesories
if you have a legendary engraving book already (12 nodes) then a 6/3 stone will also do
or one less accesory, whichever
is having one of the books be a class engraving good or does it not matter
for purple
since argos drops 100% chance class engravings, its almost the same, prices may vary a little but that depends on the engravings you wanna get
nah i mean currently i have level 9 desperate salv but idk if i should switch it cuz like prices
hi yall imma need some help rn
i only have 16k gold
i need some screenshots of a few things in the game
bard can go with 3x3 just fine for all content we have right now
so can anyone help me?
you dont need 4x3 right now
need help with velganos

