lost-ark-discussions

[vagrant cradle]

[obtuse oyster]

flex raids

[faint grove]

people will choose whatever path is the most fun.

[obtuse oyster]

uhuh

shore

[lilac frigate]

this is not necessarily true. gamers love to minmax the fun out of games and they will stick to frustration because "its the best way"

we can tell them that they are being stupid then ofc

[slow saddle]

flex raids as in what? smaller/larger groups that dynamically scale or something else?

Or as in more raids/diverse options?

[faint grove]

minmaxing is fun to a lot of people

[slow saddle]

its the key to most MMOs/long term progression

[obtuse oyster]

dynamic scling, so 4man in a 8man, 2man in a 4man, etc etc

[slow saddle]

oh i see

[lilac frigate]

this is the weason why act 1 hm isnt that much of an issue

you will get groups where 3k+ people just carry

in this case we have a 6k

[slow saddle]

that'd be nice if they followed through an implementation of pros/cons

What are the benefits vs drawbacks of smaller vs larger groups

Can they implement scaling around the rewards as well, and so on

[lilac frigate]

and 2 4ks

[obtuse oyster]

people don't think like that

they think flex raids added with no downside is somehow not gonna distrupt th pf that lost ark currently has

[faint grove]

guess ur right that flex raids should be less rewarding than a full 8 man but more rewarding than a solo

[worldly hawk]

https://klipy.com/gifs/in-my-mind-in-my-head

[slow saddle]

well reminder people are dumb and they never managed projects or had to evaluate any level of money in their lives

you simply cannot implement something without understanding why and giving it diverse options

[worldly hawk]

dumber than you can imagine aswell

[obtuse oyster]

like I know for a fact my static would 100% never take a pug random if they could run a raid at 7 even they didn't have a full 8 man

hell even at 6

[slow saddle]

thats how we'd do it too

why bother with helping someone out if we can just run the raid with less?

[obtuse oyster]

exactly

[slow saddle]

if they incentivized a full team, then people would try to fill full lobbies

but i can assure it that most people also would want some metric or scaling for teh rewards in the process

if they added metrics around usage of battle items, hosting/using sidereals, DPS minimums and so on, that impacted the rewards you get in the end

You'd see a completely diff game where people put in effort or just quit

they got idk, whatever form of communism going on these raids

[obtuse oyster]

they 100% could kill bussing if they wanted to

[mystic sphinx]

free 110 points

[obtuse oyster]

but juts coding in raid contribution to get your rewards

[slow saddle]

been saying that for a long ass time

same for survival/being alive at the end of a raid

[faint grove]

they dont want to kill bussing since people swipe to bus

[slow saddle]

imagine you get less rewards or gold/it being fully bound or something, if you're not alive at the end

naw

thats a lousy excuse

[faint grove]

its true though

[slow saddle]

they know they can do better with swiping and packages/etc

alongside giving more incentives

[faint grove]

its one of the few things whales get to enjoy so if th ey axed bussing entirely its quite liekly a lot of them would quit

[obtuse oyster]

yeah, you would need to have like a crazy low contribution to get less rewards (25%) aka being dead from the start to finish in a gate

[slow saddle]

a minority busses compared to the whales out there that dont bus

i even see the majority of bussers being weaker than actual whales

[faint grove]

doesnt change the fact that you're killing a portion of your cashflow potentially

[lilac frigate]

yeah real whales dont bus

[slow saddle]

plus most bussers tend to lean f2p because they're already making more gold, why would they swipe?

[lilac frigate]

they dont need to

[obtuse oyster]

there's not really cash flow from bussers

most of them a rice eating across multiple accounts to funnel to there main

think there's only a handful of bussers that are also swipers

[faint grove]

probs a decent amount of bad players that would quit the game aswell if they cant buy busses anymore

[obtuse oyster]

and the riders aren't really swiping to buy the bus

[obtuse oyster]

that's fine

[slow saddle]

they wouldnt need to buy a bus

[obtuse oyster]

they aren't really playing the game at that point

[slow saddle]

if they implemented better ways and incentives for others to help

and if they leave, we lose nothing to begin with

[obtuse oyster]

if you need a bus to continue your progression, you aren't worth having around

[faint grove]

as long as they infuse cash into the game and make the game "feel alive" they're crucial to the games longevity regardless of how they play the game lol

[slow saddle]

you're not really convincing anyone that the bussers nor the passengers are the ones giving money to the game

[obtuse oyster]

like scalp is an ez example of this

[slow saddle]

and shitters arent the investors to begin with

[obtuse oyster]

man is a giga busser

and refuse to swipe

[faint grove]

oh im all for killing bussing entirely, just saying theres plenty of reasons why they're keeping them around.

[obtuse oyster]

remove is his ability to buss isn't gonna lose them any money

since he already doesn't swipe

[slow saddle]

they've kept it around because its clearly and obvious they have added any scaling for rewards, completion around how raids work, and they couldnt separate out the same idea of 'helping a friend'

alongside your friendly fatboi henry being a busser and working for AGS

for KR/SG, idk what they have in mind

you'd have to really implement a fully flushed out system

[faint grove]

they've kept it around because whatever cost-analysis they've done has givem them the conclusion that its worth it.

[slow saddle]

or it could be such a minor issue in the grand scheme of the game

you cannot speak on something as if its facts

nor is it obvious

they cant implement a change if it also impacts other aspects of the game

and if it doesnt impact their funding, its going to be at the bottom of their priority list

[faint grove]

or they're just coasting and doesnt feel the need to change anything as long as they make money

[slow saddle]

thats what i just wrote

[faint grove]

meant in general for the whole game

[slender sky]

oh that sounds absolutely incredible, that surely wouldnt completely backfire the same way as ppl complaining about funneling for years and are now in tears that their chaos dungeon mats are bound

[obtuse oyster]

nah, shorley people that have no life and don't touch grass won't be maxed gear on all their characters

[slow saddle]

they'd have even less of a reason to swipe

[stuck vortex]

Cursed doll drop in chaos dungeon Poggers luck is changing surely

[slender sky]

this tbh, bussing is prob pretty far down the list

[slender sky]

nonono, everyone will behave completely ethical and not completely degen and abuse every bit of it

[slow saddle]

abusing things on THIS game? surelyyyy notttt

[stuck vortex]

lol people actually not abusing things (checks if hell has frozen over)

[slender sky]

my personal wet dream for the game would be sg completely eradicating altrosters once they take over

[obtuse oyster]

yeah, we have an upstanding community that will not abuse anything if you give them the ability or chance too

[stuck vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/definitely-maybe-romance-comedy-ryan-reynolds-yep-gif-5008341450946414225

[slender sky]

ignite stronghold abusers were just misunderstood helpful players trying to greet the newcomers in their own home

[obtuse oyster]

exactly

how where they supposed to know you could collect the rewards infinite amount of times

[slender sky]

frfr.. the multiple back and forths were only coz the stronghold textures didnt load properly so they had to visit like 20 times until it worked

[stuck vortex]

[slow saddle]

putting even the ignite SH thing aside

surely people didnt just make more accounts to abuse ignite to have more chars for their alt rosters

[obtuse oyster]

the fact that there was no barrier of entry was the dumbest thing they ever did

you make a new steam account

print a free 1640

[stuck vortex]

We can never have nice things

[worn current]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-golpeando-rata-gif-14429549142238864966

[slow saddle]

until they make proper barriers and restrict the entrypoints, itll always get abused

it would be a diff story if it resulted in them getting funding from it

which atm, idk how much they get through buying powerpasses/skips

its not really on that ignite tier

[safe lark]

https://tenor.com/view/helicopter-cat-helicopter-cat-heliblo-gif-15685012791631344513

[lilac frigate]

the issue is: you dont wanna restrict entry points too much

[cyan fog]

Fucking new players? Nothing new here boys

[slender sky]

unironically ignite server was probably more harmful than 3 years of prior unpunished rmting

[cyan fog]

This is legit the same for like every modern game tho

[slender sky]

the amount of altrosters that were born on that server and that are washing multiple 100k gold per account into the economy every week is insane

[dull flame]

anyone have more gold than silver?

i havent been this way in for ever

[slow saddle]

[slender sky]

that would be cool

it would def solve my gold problems..until tier7

[slow saddle]

sure but if they were strict and stomped abusers of anything, it would help a lot, just not fully eliminate

no diff than the modern day judicial system now that i think about it

[obtuse oyster]

they could've made it so you had to clear x amount of raids to transfer, or complete x questline to transfer, and made it so you can't just delete characters to get gold to hone and had to do raids

but nope

you could just make a steam account, make 6 characters hone them up to like 1590/1600 and then just cycle delete 5 of them till you got to 1620 on one

bruh

[stuck vortex]

[mortal burrow]

[stuck vortex]

I saw something

For second

[mortal burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-air-bender-joo-dee-smile-happy-gif-17283492

https://tenor.com/view/there-is-no-war-in-ba-sing-se-avatar-the-last-airbender-atla-no-war-there-is-no-war-gif-15884087966518847999

[supple surge]

[neon cedar]

Did I miss the free Elon money?

[stuck vortex]

lol

Mr beast money

[midnight marlin]

FINALLY

I CAN REMOVED CHUD CHEERS

[obtuse oyster]

sheeesh

[midnight marlin]

+200 cp

very nice

[slender sky]

yep some freaks made 12 altrosters that way

[obtuse oyster]

and they followed that event with the first mokoko bootcamp

so all those alt roster accounts got free rides into raids

[stuck vortex]

New returning players my ass

[cyan fog]

altroster is just a symptom of a systematic issue

dont hate the playa hate the game type shit (as you are)

[potent dagger]

Hate both

[fleet plover]

[potent dagger]

so you saying i should start game
do 1 tap
and be disappointed ?

[fleet plover]

reached 6k (with fake eng)

[cyan fog]

im literally tempted to do that

[potent dagger]

join me

time to take a shit while game starts

[mystic sphinx]

ANHALTEN

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/principal-skinner-laughing-laughing-hysterically-lol-haha-gif-11604557889880066231

[obtuse oyster]

[loud vortex]

Ah

the pink drink from starbucks is so good

[mortal burrow]

the

nvm

[loud vortex]

[mortal burrow]

i forgot

[loud vortex]

got u

[mortal burrow]

it's literally named pink drink

[loud vortex]

phink drink

[slow saddle]

we almost have the same amount of hours

[mortal burrow]

deceit

im at 12k but

im afk for a shit ton of time

[loud vortex]

I only have 5k-ish

[vagrant cradle]

what a whale

[loud vortex]

90% time afk

[cyan fog]

[lilac frigate]

2 3k and 5k CP carries

[potent dagger]

i got baited

i want a refund

[obtuse oyster]

[lilac frigate]

act 1 is truly a strange place

[cyan fog]

surely mine will hit

[obtuse oyster]

next tap it goes

[stuck vortex]

Surely

[potent dagger]

it was x3 tap with juice

no reds left

[obtuse oyster]

when you get reds and juice

it goes

[mystic sphinx]

what class is unplayable without stim?

[loud vortex]

igniter?

[obtuse oyster]

none?

[mystic sphinx]

wtf?

[potent dagger]

bard without stim start needs 5 hrs to throw out iden

[cyan fog]

yauch

[safe lark]

do you even play the game

[mortal burrow]

isnt dreadroar dk kinda gimped

if u dont stimmy beforehand

[potent dagger]

we both got baited

[cyan fog]

that one hurt the already small funds

[slow saddle]

umm yeah? i just dont waste my time afking

[safe lark]

[cyan fog]

theres half my Reds gone

[slow saddle]

i played for a month on release, then started playing again in late 2023

i take offense to that

implying something

[potent dagger]

wdym you dont have the game open 24/7 for no reason

[slow saddle]

spit it out loser

[obtuse oyster]

it doesn't take that long

[slow saddle]

this isnt bdo, i aint gonna cook my PC if im not gaining anything

[potent dagger]

i dont even let the game open for the 90min rewards xD

[obtuse oyster]

just your uptime will be cooked

[mystic sphinx]

i love how his "points" are explaining what hes complaining about above

and then theres this

om

[vagrant cradle]

[cyan fog]

yauch

[loud vortex]

tbh stimmy is not that expensive

[mortal burrow]

who o-o

[potent dagger]

it feels like 5 hrs
other sups can just ult at start and have iden full after like 2-3 more skills
Artist gets full 2 bubbles xD

[cyan fog]

cant even buy into another 10 tappies

[loud vortex]

basically a byproduct of excavation

[obtuse oyster]

that's just SG balancing

[mystic sphinx]

first post in feedbacks

[cyan fog]

didnt need it, owned

2 taps after the 10 failed

[mystic sphinx]

i see you have gold

[obtuse oyster]

excluding artist ark passive tree

all the support ults give them enough meter to do their z's

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-manager-karen-randy-randy-marsh-gif-26369224

[obtuse oyster]

bard just forever stuck with 1 bubble gain

[cyan fog]

yeah i did all 6 characters gold raids this week for the first time in ages

[potent dagger]

its just unlucky that bard is only supp that "needs" to stim to not grief own uptime

[vagrant cradle]

good fuck bards

[obtuse oyster]

yeah

[mystic sphinx]

to fund my 30 enlightment right

[cyan fog]

once we get the next 9 we break the barrier

[wise pasture]

dps bard kinda given how refund works

[potent dagger]

atleast bard ult also gives 15% dr / -atk % to boss ... xD

[mortal burrow]

doesnt stack with gt tho or rhapsody im p sure

[safe lark]

so you dont play the game

[mortal burrow]

or i mean the dr

[obtuse oyster]

I would kill for bard ult to atleast give two bubbles

[mortal burrow]

or the

ofjsdhoifjsidopjfpsd]

the atk power doesnt stack with

courageous tune right?

[potent dagger]

different kind of DR. It gives -atk% to boss so its not same as getting DR on yourself
it basicaly stacks.

I think....

[mortal burrow]

the dr and -atk% should

[potent dagger]

one day... one day... in LA3

[mortal burrow]

but the real question is does it stack with courageous tune

im guessing not

[loud vortex]

does bardy's -atk debuff on boss stack with drizzle?

[obtuse oyster]

yes

[loud vortex]

[mortal burrow]

i heard it doesnt anymore

or at least with ss atk power -

🤔

[obtuse oyster]

[potent dagger]

i think HT -35% ATK just overwrites ult

[mortal burrow]

lemme look through patches

ss had a -30% atk power debuff too

[wary timber]

Igniter Sorc, Bard, FMH SE are extreme levels of must stim. then you have many classes that are extremely recommended to stim, for example slayer. While you can awaken as Pala/Artist/Valk for example, you also burn your awk cooldown and nerf yourself a lot.

[safe lark]

Igniter Sorc, Bard, FMH SE are extreme levels of must stim. then you have many classes that are extremely recommended to stim, for example slayer. While you can awaken as Pala/Artist/Valk for example, you also burn your awk cooldown and nerf yourself a lot.

[potent dagger]

then you have Ahri Wildsoul. Just spawns with full iden xD

[obtuse oyster]

yeah but you gotta stim on ferality

[mortal burrow]

this is at least for ss @obtuse oyster

[safe lark]

u dont need to

[mortal burrow]

but i gotta find the patch

[safe lark]

just stay afk for 3 minutes

[potent dagger]

duno why they dont let all classes just spawn with full iden.

[safe lark]

full gauge

[wary timber]

because stim is like 150g

[obtuse oyster]

Drizzle is from their iden tho?

[potent dagger]

dps valk and WF aero and just attack air to fill gauge

[potent dagger]

duno i never needed to buy stims

[loud vortex]

why buy stimmy when u can craft

[mystic sphinx]

i dont even use stim ever

[potent dagger]

i stim on my 3 sups on first pull

if we wipe

f you

[mystic sphinx]

if you wipe

and youre on support

its your skill issue

bucko

[obtuse oyster]

we have gotten soo many free consume boxes

[slow saddle]

naw my fav is the "forgot something"

[obtuse oyster]

I'm swimming in stims

[slow saddle]

or wrong preset

[obtuse oyster]

and use 1 every gate on every raid on all 6 of my bards

[potent dagger]

because its my fault 3+ppl cant do guard in act 4 g2 and he pushes us off map ?

[mystic sphinx]

yes

[vagrant cradle]

yes

[mystic sphinx]

always blame the support

[potent dagger]

ngl on some days i feel like just leaving lobby when i see that

[wary timber]

yeah well i have 0 purple boxes because i actually use them 🙂

[mystic sphinx]

no matter whats the reason

[potent dagger]

back to league. Always jungle dif

[obtuse oyster]

literacy might not be your skill

[wary timber]

in my experience, ppl that "use" them, don't actually actually use though

[mystic sphinx]

exactly

[vagrant cradle]

[slow saddle]

tbh true

same with atros

someone tried to tell me "THEY GAVE OUT SO MUCH BOXES"

yes

and i ran out

[potent dagger]

i ran out of stims recently

had to open 500+ new

[loud vortex]

I ran out of all stimmy in tfm prog

[obtuse oyster]

if we could use more then 1 stim in raid

I would probably burn more

[wary timber]

i have 3 bards in theory that would be 3x6(7 if kaz hm) x2 stims per week if everything is 1 shot

[obtuse oyster]

but at most you use 2 stims a gate

[loud vortex]

then crafted bunch of tradable ones

[obtuse oyster]

1 before you go in and one while you are in

[potent dagger]

i'm low ish on bomb / stim boxes too. I just need to stip every pull when wipe happens and not throw 3 nades every single gate on all chars

[slow saddle]

my farms have been up in SH to just farm mats for atros/darks since like 5-6 months ago

[loud vortex]

I only use atro and dark in nmm serca

others? ww we go

[potent dagger]

with current meter gen of supps i rarly feel the need to stim mid gate unless i fuck up

[loud vortex]

[mystic sphinx]

i burnt the pot again

[obtuse oyster]

exactly

[mortal burrow]

yeah im not sure actually @obtuse oyster

[wary timber]

like I said, ppl that dont run out, don't actually use

[vagrant cradle]

[potent dagger]

just need to know boss patterns to not sent 3 bubbles when he leaves in 2s anyway

and

[obtuse oyster]

you can probably test in raid if you ever get a drizzle aero

[mortal burrow]

drizzle who?

jkjk

[cyan fog]

Drizzle deez nutz

[potent dagger]

pizzle

[mortal burrow]

i think the only drizzles ive seen is in my static

[cyan fog]

[obtuse oyster]

meanwhile my pig dps sending half his burst cause he cba to wait to get buffed when the boss comes out of cut scene

[cyan fog]

Just fucking buff bro

[slow saddle]

buff faster

[obtuse oyster]

yeah and guess what I won't have if I send my buff

[mortal burrow]

apparently, someone #aeromancer says it doesnt stack @obtuse oyster

[obtuse oyster]

when I can't hit the boss for 10s

cause yo wanted buffs on a 2s window

[potent dagger]

i recently got grabbed in G2 act 5 twice for the guard at start. I had tears while doing the typing test seeing my uptime die

[mortal burrow]

but 🤷

[potent dagger]

[wise pasture]

@safe lark has drizzle

[obtuse oyster]

[loud vortex]

drizzle is fun

[potent dagger]

what happens if you fail it? shorter dps window ?

"ups lag"

[obtuse oyster]

shorter window

I fail it if I get grabbed

fuck my team

[potent dagger]

i gues i need to do that too

[mortal burrow]

you should do it for the

forced qte in 2-2 and 2-3

😄

have the light explode

and shoot rays

[potent dagger]

the drop because he got me and then ppl got skills out while i was moving for puddles

[potent dagger]

i dont run HM

[mystic sphinx]

buff better bozo

[potent dagger]

no reason to buff if you do zdps

[mystic sphinx]

1 is more than 0

[obtuse oyster]

truuue, just buff while you're doing forced clash as support

sooo smart

[potent dagger]

buffing 0 by X % is still 0

[mystic sphinx]

just press awakening to dodge clash

[stuck vortex]

[mystic sphinx]

brotherman

[potent dagger]

just alt-f4 so you dont get it

[obtuse oyster]

okay, now you don't have awakening for 900

[mystic sphinx]

yeah

[mystic sphinx]

just buff harder

[safe lark]

best drizzle

[potent dagger]

GT blocks 1 puddle
Splendid nade blocks 2nd and 3rd

by that time GT up again for 4th

[obtuse oyster]

depends

[potent dagger]

or just have a GL that ults

[obtuse oyster]

if you have 3 bubble up and noone throws you can status it

and if you don't then you kinda gotta grief with a two bubble send or just eat the stun and pray that everyone stacked on back or front

[potent dagger]

tbf if everyone doenst move around like headless chickens its also possible to just play it regulary

[mystic sphinx]

are these the decisions im gonna have to think of making when my bard is 1710

[obtuse oyster]

sadly they run around like headless chickens and won't use items

[potent dagger]

like the 3rd ? puddle is a circle around you. If you are close its ezpz

[obtuse oyster]

god I hate 900

[potent dagger]

xD

[slow saddle]

we love pugs who dont throw battle items

[modern hatch]

I only like it if have gl

[cyan fog]

Or you play artist and press cleanse and heal

[potent dagger]

i just space bar in on 2nd puddle > ult > gt and pray noone dies

[cyan fog]

Brrrrr

[potent dagger]

what is that last word?

[slow saddle]

just trust no one angle

[potent dagger]

the one starting the H

[cyan fog]

I mean we didn't even need it tbh

I shoulda said awaken and press portal brrrr

[mystic sphinx]

i wouldnt do anything and kill people

[cyan fog]

[obtuse oyster]

true, just be a bard. Bomb yourself, gtune, spacebar frame it, iden, then gtune again

[potent dagger]

i prob can count the amount of heals i use this month on 1 hand

https://tenor.com/view/redblockcustom-man-no-arms-indian-arms-no-arms-man-standing-gif-17755513251794797743

[mystic sphinx]

yall overcomplicate supports

just press ur buffs and blame the 3 idiots in your party for not doing enough damage

[modern hatch]

TRUE

[obtuse oyster]

TRUE

I can buff the world

[modern hatch]

We should be able to skip 900x

[obtuse oyster]

but if they do z

[modern hatch]

Tf are the dumbasses doing

[obtuse oyster]

what is the point

[potent dagger]

said by the support running 40% uptime with NPC gear

[mystic sphinx]

you press vote quit and say fuck all

[vagrant cradle]

[cyan fog]

https://tenor.com/view/oiia-cat-gif-14934872872258635476

[obtuse oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/oiia-cat-gif-14934872872258635476

[obtuse oyster]

45%* uptime now

[potent dagger]

worst one i saw for a while.

[fleet plover]

[potent dagger]

G1 act 4 sup was perma dead during the jump rope mech

[obtuse oyster]

the rich get richer

[obtuse oyster]

I would've raid stop and left

[potent dagger]

i left after 2nd pull

on 1st pull i was like
bad runs happen

2nd pull he was perma dead again

and we noped out

xD

(bad run for uptime not perma dead after 2-3min)

[obtuse oyster]

yeah

[potent dagger]

that log kinda ilts me

i died last secound

didnt want to dodge a red syth

xD

[vagrant cradle]

you gotta pump up those numbers

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-gif-17288636796311097972

[potent dagger]

yea i keep messing up AP rota on valk

[mystic sphinx]

i feel like my game is bugged

my support uptime numbers increase over time right

except for T

[potent dagger]

had one good run

[obtuse oyster]

it's basic math

[vagrant cradle]

i mean your ap and brand should just stay at near 100

[obtuse oyster]

if you start with 100

[mystic sphinx]

why when every number increase

[obtuse oyster]

and add 100

[mystic sphinx]

T never change

[obtuse oyster]

then divide by 2

you get 100

but if you start with 100

and then add 5

[potent dagger]

dw a DPS will find a moment while your HT buff travels so get his 2-3 strongest dmg skills out. Unbuffed.

[obtuse oyster]

you now have 52.5

[mystic sphinx]

idk what the meow youre talking about

[obtuse oyster]

uptime

[mystic sphinx]

which one

[obtuse oyster]

all of htem

[mystic sphinx]

first 3 are ok

4th is not

[obtuse oyster]

you don't t often enough for it to continually increase

[mystic sphinx]

highest ive seen is 59

[obtuse oyster]

so you'll have more dmg done without t buff

compared to dmg done with t buff

[mystic sphinx]

so it only increases if someone does more than 1 damage after i press t?

[potent dagger]

depends on raid

heavly

[wise pasture]

depends on what you are looking at

[potent dagger]

if you jump cutscene to cutsene

and have T for every dmg window

you get high T

[wise pasture]

but yes, normally dmg meter counts if someone does dmg with your buff active on it

[potent dagger]

long fight without alot of cutscenes > t lower

[vagrant cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[mystic sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/uuh-cat-uuh-cat-huh-cat-huh-gif-7443402051303221120

[obtuse oyster]

it's taking the overal dmg

[mystic sphinx]

i didnt know that

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mom-mama-mother-lick-gif-13059778370190649168

[obtuse oyster]

so if the did 200mil dmg for example, and then 200mil dmg with t

[mystic sphinx]

i thought uptime meant "how often do you keep your buffs up"

[obtuse oyster]

you would have 50% uptime

[mystic sphinx]

not "how much damage was done during your buffs"

[vagrant cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mom-mama-mother-lick-gif-13059778370190649168

[potent dagger]

like i swear. Like e.g G1 serca when she jumps top. I dont even have time to rebrand before a dmg skill lands. I can prebuff AP but not brand xD

[potent dagger]

uptime is just the % of the you buffed

[wise pasture]

there is metric for that too, but only ingame meter uses that

[obtuse oyster]

uptime is tracking how much of their dmg is buffed

eff in the game meter is the same thing

[potent dagger]

which is kinda useless xD

[mystic sphinx]

i was playing the support game wrong all this time

[potent dagger]

gj you had buffs active while boss was in DR.
Boss is out of DR and now buffs on CD

[mystic sphinx]

[cyan fog]

im learning things too waowzers

[mystic sphinx]

atleast my serca numbers look ok

[loud vortex]

I really hate those macro-less supp

[potent dagger]

for what you need macros

[loud vortex]

macro text

[potent dagger]

support should have full uptime anyway

[mystic sphinx]

you know for someone who doesnt know what shes doing

[potent dagger]

as long you dont run around 50% uptime its fine

[obtuse oyster]

^

[mystic sphinx]

im never that low

[potent dagger]

50% and lower = blocked

[obtuse oyster]

god I don't get how people can't press buffs on support

like bro

you press ap

[mystic sphinx]

thats not even playing the game anymore low

[cyan fog]

@lilac frigate step up son

[obtuse oyster]

and then the other ap when that one falls off

[mystic sphinx]

LMFAO

[obtuse oyster]

yet they find a way to go below 50%

[lilac frigate]

?

[potent dagger]

man i wish i still had that old brell screenshot. Dude had 0,X% iden uptime. no brand equped and like 5-10% AP XDD

[loud vortex]

this thing shall be mandatory for suppy

[mystic sphinx]

"Milk"

wonder whats that for

[obtuse oyster]

I remember an akkan where a bard didn't take brand (this was before I started using meter)

[loud vortex]

X

[obtuse oyster]

I was looking at the boss and never saw the brand icon

[potent dagger]

T skill. Okay-ish. For hyper ult increase. But other than that?

[lilac frigate]

you should be happy if i have 20% uptime

[mystic sphinx]

if anything for heal i'd say "i cant believe you make me heal you" or something

[loud vortex]

awaken, hyper, T, Z, X

[obtuse oyster]

why do you need a macro on hyper

[loud vortex]

for fun

[potent dagger]

new player that doesnt understand the character corectly for gold farmer that just exists in the lobby

[potent dagger]

useless. Artist has like 80-90% iden uptime anyway

[loud vortex]

nah I'm valky

[potent dagger]

now that i think about it

i dont see these cringe spamers anymore

i think they were all part of the low uptime gang and are blocked

XD

"uwu dmg buff" and weird cringe like that

[vagrant cradle]

is okay

[potent dagger]

usualy ayayas

[vagrant cradle]

it's adequate for a pug support

[mystic sphinx]

nah i grief my static

[obtuse oyster]

your iden gets better with your star core on valk and faith core

[vagrant cradle]

star core is massive

[potent dagger]

ngl i duno how some valks managed 80%

[obtuse oyster]

star core

[potent dagger]

i get 60-70

but 80?

[obtuse oyster]

it's legit night and day

[mystic sphinx]

i didnt invest in her cores at all

[potent dagger]

is what i run

[loud vortex]

I can only do 80+ in behe

[vagrant cradle]

80 is when everything goes well and the raid is fast

[loud vortex]

u only have 1 burst window in behemoth anyway

[obtuse oyster]

some people are just cracked

[vagrant cradle]

Yeah

[mystic sphinx]

i need that ark grid box from gold shop and then ill consider investing

[vagrant cradle]

sometimes I can hit that 80

but a lot of the time im like 60-70 ngl

[lilac frigate]

my supports dont even have ark grid

[obtuse oyster]

@vagrant cradle like I don't get how my friend hits 90% iden on bard

[loud vortex]

I luv behemoth

[potent dagger]

that is valk ?

[obtuse oyster]

bard

[vagrant cradle]

Yeah 90 on a valk would be crazy

[potent dagger]

ah

[vagrant cradle]

bard idk

[potent dagger]

prob 50 50 spec?

[slow saddle]

Our pally was getting around 85% identity for serka

[obtuse oyster]

they run higher than that

[lilac frigate]

all these people running spec when stagger is the real option! /s

[potent dagger]

higehst iden run i have in my history rn. G1 Act 4

[mystic sphinx]

on who

[potent dagger]

valk

[mystic sphinx]

oh i thought green was identity

[obtuse oyster]

[mystic sphinx]

facepalm~1

[potent dagger]

AP - Brand - Iden - T

[vagrant cradle]

ap / brand / identity / T

[slow saddle]

[mystic sphinx]

i failed math before school was invented

https://tenor.com/view/denia-denia-wuwa-denia-wuthering-waves-wuthering-wuthering-waves-gif-8937077825781131160

[potent dagger]

hm my bard is around 60-75% too with 25 swift 15 spec

i dont run wom wom though

[obtuse oyster]

[vagrant cradle]

there's your problem

[lilac frigate]

math is easy

[obtuse oyster]

75% on wom shield pretty good

[potent dagger]

i prefer to give atleast a bit of shields

[vagrant cradle]

Yeah low key i hate playing with wom wom bards

[obtuse oyster]

but I assume that's in like fast hw raids

[vagrant cradle]

[lilac frigate]

the thing about math is that you just need to understand

[potent dagger]

then there is artist. Higher iden than AP

[obtuse oyster]

gtune + rhap, all they need

[vagrant cradle]

delete circle ap buffs

[potent dagger]

also near perma 35% DR because boss debuff

[potent dagger]

frfr

kinda wish all support could just stack iden uptime like artist

[obtuse oyster]

I would have 100% ap if we deleted sv and let me solo ap buff with ht

[potent dagger]

or just have all buffs stack and not overwrite time

[vagrant cradle]

This literally should be a thing for valk

Bard it doesn't make sense for because her identities can be different amounts

[cyan fog]

buy level 10 gems noobs

[vagrant cradle]

and paladin kind of can already

[cyan fog]

[potent dagger]

P*ladin

[obtuse oyster]

still a gap, noob

[lilac frigate]

I just hate that people need to stand in your ap buff

[obtuse oyster]

wouldn't be bad, if boss sizes wasn't accounted for with positonal ap buffs

and then you have part comps

[slow saddle]

Everything should just be map wide

[obtuse oyster]

like back attackers, front attacks, short range hit master - long range hitmaster

[potent dagger]

dont you love it when you press a circle. And boss decides is the best time to move across entire map

[lilac frigate]

the main issue that both bosses and people arent stationary

[mystic sphinx]

map wide rhapsody

fucking poggers

[obtuse oyster]

[lilac frigate]

man, I want a better skin for my artist

but im too poor for that

[potent dagger]

my artist still doesnt have full legendery

becuse its either no on market

for 200-300k

[lilac frigate]

I dont have a single char with full legendary

[potent dagger]

and i refuse to pay more than 100k xD

[obtuse oyster]

lurches forwards and then 180s so now the back isn't in the circle and all the back attackers scurry to the back

[potent dagger]

my valk has because free box

[obtuse oyster]

watching uptime die in real time

[loud vortex]

It is a design issue

[potent dagger]

in Mordumb. 3 hit master. Run OUT OF CIRCLE to eat ass

[lilac frigate]

right sorry, I dont have a single full because I havent opened a box yet

[lilac frigate]

honestly, i think its fine i just hate it

[obtuse oyster]

it's both a design issue and balancing choice

[vagrant cradle]

real

[obtuse oyster]

you make a support unique if they have omni buffs

aka pally

and then valk

[vagrant cradle]

we need to go back to sub 100k skins

[loud vortex]

ye tru

[obtuse oyster]

rather then having to balance them around if they all have omni buffs

[potent dagger]

[slow saddle]

Right after they nerf gold gain right?

Because whales 100% will swipe up outfits to sell for only 100k or less

[vagrant cradle]

i wouldnt mind if they made gold like 90% bound from raids except maybe the highest available raid at the time

[obtuse oyster]

can they remove the gold cost from cutting accs

or just maket hem dropped full cut

[potent dagger]

but who will think about the golder farmer

[vagrant cradle]

stop cutting with gold

[slow saddle]

I wouldn’t mind if they capped stuff out like that

[vagrant cradle]

[loud vortex]

I don't care if they make it to roster bound gold

[obtuse oyster]

I cut with bound gold

[slow saddle]

The incentive to push the highest raid would be full unbound gold

[loud vortex]

but char bound gold is something off the limit

[obtuse oyster]

basically no diff from cutting with silver

[vagrant cradle]

i wouldnt mind character bound gold either or like 45% roster 45% character bound 10% tradeable idk

[safe lark]

https://tenor.com/view/helicopter-cat-helicopter-cat-heliblo-gif-15685012791631344513

[loud vortex]

tradable and roster bound gold are basically the same thing for me now

But char bound suks

[lilac frigate]

Char bound is also nice

[mortal burrow]

@safe lark btw u like drizzle's ark grid or nah

[lilac frigate]

because it gives you an incentive to spend gold on that character

[obtuse oyster]

you only say that because there's only one source of char bound gold

and it's practically free even on non-gold earning characters

[lilac frigate]

I dont disagree with that too many sourver of char bound gold is bad

[loud vortex]

ye paradise

[lilac frigate]

and I do agree that roster bound is the same with that

give us too much of it and it becomes an issue

[loud vortex]

making the latest raid drop only char-bound gold is the dumbest idea I've ever seen

[obtuse oyster]

the graid event is a perfect example of it

some people where getting 1mil+ worth of roster bound gold from that daily event

and it inflated prices

[loud vortex]

even dumber than Kurzan mat change

[wintry depot]

[obtuse oyster]

yeah they should've done the opposite

[wintry depot]

I wanna sleep

[obtuse oyster]

make the 3rd and 4th raid give bound gold

[loud vortex]

ye

making act 123 drop bound gold is fine

[obtuse oyster]

and then you don't even have to nerf the gold per say

you just shift the amount of roster bound and char bound gold

[potent dagger]

it nerfs gold sellers and alt roster

[loud vortex]

wakey wakey

[wintry depot]

Nyooo

[obtuse oyster]

nothing lost there

[potent dagger]

i forgot

that this word is banned

XD

but poor jimbob on his 5th account multi boxing behe will have less gold for his customers

[loud vortex]

The ark is lost

and we just found it

[potent dagger]

the true lost ark are the jails we made along the way

[thorn jay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1481563225140105378/1507619967225303140/izubhmRV.gif

[potent dagger]

kinda reminds me of D3 intro with cane

[queen grail]

@lilac frigate Act4?

[lilac frigate]

already done

[safe lark]

doesnt change much

just more dmg

[lilac frigate]

managed to snack groups today

[wintry depot]

Im cold

[loud vortex]

That solar deathray is easier to land tho

[mystic sphinx]

i lidewally just repaired my shovel and it broke

[queen grail]

Nice, I was up way to late being deep in Subnautica 1

So woke up like 2 hours ago

[lilac frigate]

good morning!

[wintry depot]

Nice sleep schedule

[loud vortex]

It seems like arna trying to go sleep but found out the bed is cold

[safe lark]

still doesnt change shit

unless you play other builds

[queen grail]

You don't get to talk

[wintry depot]

?

I dont wake up at 21

[queen grail]

No but you also sleep wonky and weirdly a lot of times

You bozo

[lilac frigate]

most certainly helped that my 1,4k rat was already done

[queen grail]

@wintry depot GO BUY SUBNAUTICA 2

[potent dagger]

1.4k? Is that no engravings fully naked?

[lilac frigate]

https://lostark.bible/character/CE/Aeromancerys
its a character I mainly honed because aly carried

[queen grail]

Ye, that helps

[lilac frigate]

once the book buying and frog event is done I will get around to improving my rats

after honing my gk to at least 1720

if not 1730

(well 1720 is only like 2 ilvls)

also the barecelet was kinda sad

[wintry depot]

Not really

Only when i have headaches

And i have giga headache atm

[slender sky]

@swift magnet is it joever?

[obtuse oyster]

tell her to send gems

[swift magnet]

could be ya

[wintry depot]

Weak

[swift magnet]

well she doesnt think the game is fun anymore cuz sg pretty much robebd the fun with chaos change

which i agree witrh

[slender sky]

are you a homie and share her gems or nah

[swift magnet]

i dont have her gems xD

[slender sky]

[swift magnet]

[wintry depot]

I mean i dont like the change but it wasnt fun for me doing chaos on 13 chars everyday aswell xD

[obtuse oyster]

fun and chaos in the same sentence

hell nah

[wintry depot]

Yeah chaos isnt fun, its just very convenient in my situation

NO ONE HAS EXCUSE THO

[slender sky]

go get em, and share with me

[swift magnet]

to me and kat too chaos was fun cuz we could get all we wanted. and the charbound mats isnt helping

[queen grail]

Why would you make a Paradise boss able to one-shot people Is SG morons?

[swift magnet]

she is feeling to fall behind cuz she has literally 0 kluck with honing and all other syxstems

[obtuse oyster]

just dodge forehead

[swift magnet]

she cant catch up to me or our friend

[obtuse oyster]

what is there to catchup

[swift magnet]

and thats what is making her feel depressed

[wintry depot]

Okay can dhe relax tho

[obtuse oyster]

next raid hm is literally 1720

[swift magnet]

you know her xD

[queen grail]

[swift magnet]

doomkat xD

[wintry depot]

She has way more luck than a fuckton of people

[swift magnet]

yus

[slender sky]

falling behind to where? the 4 most recent raids all share same ilvl pretty much and you posted plenty of 100k+ gold bars and engraving books from her here

[swift magnet]

[wintry depot]

I wouldve quit long time ago with my shit luck in t3

[queen grail]

Making everything bound was the dumbest fucking movie ever And you think It's bad now? Wait until new class comes that you wanna hone up and do main raids on gg

[wintry depot]

But then i got rewarded in t4

[obtuse oyster]

she has a good roster than the average player

[wintry depot]

Yea idk

[swift magnet]

i also told her that

[obtuse oyster]

I'm just confused on catching up to what

[wintry depot]

Ofc if she compares herself of parkes the lucksack, ofc its worse

But idk

[slender sky]

yea she has an entire roster at hm iirc

lmao

[swift magnet]

but she's dooming xD

[wintry depot]

She dumb

[swift magnet]

i told her not to do that xD

my luck is unholy

[lilac frigate]

that is the fomo of the game

[swift magnet]

even compared to kat xD

[wintry depot]

I mean could.doom on anything else

Not that

[lilac frigate]

when did she start?

[wise pasture]

no, send them here

[slender sky]

i checked how many gems i need today, i can rly need some assistance

[swift magnet]

ands even compared to our freind

she is forgetting that i gifted our friend 2.5m gold so that he could buy all his books

[wise pasture]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1196211170693099620/1339884690831573034/gems_pwease_kujirawr.gif

[swift magnet]

after i sold my t4 reds

[obtuse oyster]

nah t2 taught me to persevere and that my account is not seeded

[swift magnet]

offered the same to her but she declined

[wintry depot]

I didnt have THat much unluck in t2

But it was pretty fucking dogshit for me aswell

[obtuse oyster]

i pitied on my way to t3 from t2

[lilac frigate]

honestly, this game probably teaches a good life lesson to many people if they manage

stop comparing yourself to others

[obtuse oyster]

and t3 to 1370 was the same road

[slender sky]

wat da helly

[queen grail]

Didn't you gete sidereal?

[swift magnet]

and it doesnt even hurt me xD

[obtuse oyster]

if I got a sidereal I wouldn't be yapping

nadda zip

nothing

[queen grail]

Oh, I thought you got one.

[obtuse oyster]

no sideral

no h/h accs

[queen grail]

Only lucksacks like @wintry depot Gets it

[swift magnet]

i ratehr gift my stuff away and play with ppl i like and having fun with then go full pug again

[wintry depot]

I got one in t4 when it was 500k

[swift magnet]

if that happens i think i would deinstall xD

[wintry depot]

Stfu

Its less than weekly raids

[queen grail]

Should have 🖐️ It.

[wintry depot]

Also i said i got rewarded with luck in t4

Dumbdumb

[wise pasture]

I need 110 not even counting any trying to upgrade

[queen grail]

Classic sid getter's so mad

[obtuse oyster]

comparision is the thief of joy but at the same time getting lucky and getting unlucky in Lost Ark can swing things heavily

[wintry depot]

Can i be home already

It smells weed

[potent dagger]

imagine droping anything

[wintry depot]

Its stinky

[obtuse oyster]

getting all your character to 1740/1750 with 17p grid in a low of amount of gold

can easily be gold saved towards books

vs spending almost a million to get one character to full 17p

[wintry depot]

I thought you wrote boobs instead of books

[lilac frigate]

ark grid is very swingy with rng

[potent dagger]

wdym there is a big dif between someone droping 100k every day from chaos and free taping gear vs pitty and 0 drops

[queen grail]

10 tickte's not enough stuff to get 1 item from 13 > 15

Makes sense.

Thanks for not putting in pity system.

[lilac frigate]

you can cut 100 gems and barely get anything or cut 5 and get insane stuff

[queen grail]

Good call SG you fucking brainless monkeys

[obtuse oyster]

I'm just talking about luck, not even comparing yourself to someone

[swift magnet]

[obtuse oyster]

just having to spend more to achieve something means you have longer to achieve something else

[slender sky]

to get full 10s on all main6 or what lmao

[swift magnet]

thats basically kat

[obtuse oyster]

that was one of my bards

[wise pasture]

send it over, i can handle that

[obtuse oyster]

all they would cut is 4/4s and 5/5s

[swift magnet]

ark rgid is horoendous for her

[queen grail]

Can they just make Paradise better? I swear the person who designed hell has no friends.

[swift magnet]

and honing rn too

[queen grail]

[obtuse oyster]

which does jack all at getting 17p

[swift magnet]

so she cant buy books

and feltr depressed

[wise pasture]

to give ratge army 8s

[swift magnet]

so i told her to take it slow

[potent dagger]

Alts free taping alot.
Main: time for another 100% pitty 1 tap

[slender sky]

ok fk off bozo

[swift magnet]

there is nothing to catch up to

[obtuse oyster]

exactly

[slender sky]

giving 8s to offroster chars

lmao

[swift magnet]

also i stopp honing with +15 armor on all except wep

so she can catch up easily

[obtuse oyster]

that can swing soooo much of your progression

[swift magnet]

but she so damn stubborn

[obtuse oyster]

cause you only spend 40k to get somewhere compared to 400k

[wise pasture]

they are humans too you know

[slender sky]

no

fk off

[obtuse oyster]

that is some whale shit

[wise pasture]

no

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[slender sky]

thats just feryn

[queen grail]

You don't have Lv.10's on Lopang?

Stop being brokie plz

[vagrant cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[slender sky]

always acting like hes some f2p bozo

[obtuse oyster]

do I look like zheng

[swift magnet]

my lopand is full 8s xD

[mystic sphinx]

shes basically like me atm, cant hone, cant do ark grid, cant buy books, i cant even hone to 1730 even if i wanted to cuz i have a +24 weapon

[slender sky]

well she can

[queen grail]

20% upgrade paradise, Is it really so hard to put in a pity timer, I'm crashing out one day.

[slender sky]

just not in the speed she wants

[queen grail]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wiggle-crazy-cat-zoomies-gif-9877358298643393466

[slender sky]

she still makes 500k+ a week

[frail swallow]

Well...in this light...

[slender sky]

lol

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

[obtuse oyster]

[wise pasture]

you know how fun lopangs are with 10s?

[lilac frigate]

@swift magnet I came back this year, maybe my roster is good as a comparison?

[queen grail]

Me f2p.

[lilac frigate]

dunno wether my roster is better

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-16623591690126329759

[obtuse oyster]

idk, I'm use to grinding for the things I want (bdo patience)

[mystic sphinx]

the amount of gold you make means nothing if you arent lucky

[queen grail]

https://tenor.com/view/f2p-btw-gif-22074314

[obtuse oyster]

spent legit the past two months just saving gold to buy 10s

[slender sky]

no, her roster is stacked, nothing compared to yours

[queen grail]

Icee has more 10's than me and he had a long break, he's a whale.

Stinky.

[loud vortex]

zyla changed profile pic again?

[lilac frigate]

welp, guess I suck

[loud vortex]

[obtuse oyster]

bruh

lock in

[queen grail]

STINKY

[obtuse oyster]

goofy

[queen grail]

Single class bozo's.

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[lilac frigate]

im falling behind

[queen grail]

Cheating the game.

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mom-mama-mother-lick-gif-13059778370190649168

[lilac frigate]

maybe i should stop

[queen grail]

Easymode only sup no book costing motherfuckerr's

[slender sky]

youre still making progress regardless, most of the stuff in the game can be bruteforced with patience

[queen grail]

https://tenor.com/view/mean-girls-gif-20175107

[obtuse oyster]

bruh I do all my raids and all my dailies even doing graids on t3 characters

to get gems

[slender sky]

yea same, im doing 27 guardians right now coz im desperate lmao

[queen grail]

I do guardians on 17 char's

All 1700+

[wise pasture]

send gems

[mystic sphinx]

oh yes you are, to an inevitable 100% artisan's essence or whatever its called, but the fact that you arent getting lucky so many times enough to fill a pity bar can and will demotivate you so hard you will end up not wanting to play the game

[obtuse oyster]

don't get deterred

[queen grail]

Monoroster iss just too stupid, they should just make gem's into "books"

[swift magnet]

https://lostark.bible/character/CE/Sanatzu

[queen grail]

The differnce in roster cost is out of control.

[swift magnet]

lopan´g xD

[obtuse oyster]

you gotta grind through while behind to you'll eventually get to a point where you can keep pace

I went from a garbo roster

and fully pivoted to a full bard roster

like a year ago

[slender sky]

in the vast majority of cases it will balance out sooner or later, no one just straight up pities everything he touches

you just tend to remember the negatives more

[swift magnet]

hmm ya if she wants to compare with a normal eprson. but then again thats unfair to you cuz she rivals me in luck xD

[queen grail]

Brother, the books on my roster cost more than half your Lv.10's