lost-ark-discussions

[zealous lintel]

MMO to me is an interactive world

LOA field boss is the only thing

CG is a lobby

every city is a lobby

every map tile is a lobby

[sinful cove]

i thihnk emotes is kinda the hard carry for me with being "interactive" with others. when we pull up to adventure islands and waiting.

[zealous lintel]

if you would get rid of all npcs(like some players suggested in the past) and build them into their pet, noone would leave their sh

[distant swallow]

all their moba like elements last 1 day

mmo*

[zealous lintel]

like with garrisons

[zealous lintel]

and there is also no need to

[sinful cove]

are you saying how they are like seperate maps? this used to be a common mmo thing, and still is in some games. wow is seemless open world or whatever you want to call it but i wouldnt say its the normal

[zealous lintel]

yeah but thats exactly it

for me

thats a normal thing

juming from lobby to lobby in this day and age

is stupid

and shouldnt be a thing

people did that back then cause technical limitations

if LOA wouldnt have had changed the way CG and FB operate in terms of resource aquistion

[sinful cove]

for sure im indifferent how games work. i normally hate open world video games. even thoguh iknow thats kinda different but im just not used to or think of that

[zealous lintel]

the world would have been even more dead

[zealous lintel]

thats fine. i dont like arcade shooters

[sinful cove]

yeah what your saying makes complete sense

[zealous lintel]

doesnt mean it shouldnt be prio in terms of a coherent world building

i dont feel conected when i have to jump through 3 loading screens

it just doesnt feel right

[distant swallow]

thats why warframe feels more like an mmo compared to lost ark

seamless transitions

[zealous lintel]

this

[distant swallow]

walk into a new area or finish a mission no loading screen

[zealous lintel]

like if i want to queue for CG and am not on the mapr already

[sinful cove]

i havent played warframe since they added the plains of eidolon or whatever it was called

[cyan fog]

Lol

[zealous lintel]

you sing out to load the CG map. then go to portal. get in, loading screen. after finishing sing out, loading screen

[distant swallow]

or you're getting a feast

loading screen in

[zealous lintel]

like what

[distant swallow]

teleporter with 30 seconds of load time

[sinful cove]

thats like majority of video games though. warframe isnt seemless. you click on a planet and you load into a mission

unless youre in the open world then its just a map

[wind dagger]

This is so annoying

[distant swallow]

the only loading screen is entering a world or starting a mission (which are all interactive)

[wind dagger]

loading screens everywhere

[distant swallow]

which adds to the lack of loading screen

if that makes sense

[cyan fog]

This is exactly what i do in wow except there's more people in the capital city what's your point

Interactive is up to you aswell not just devs spoonfeeding you

[zealous lintel]

eh

[distant swallow]

i think you're talking about a different point

[zealous lintel]

i dont enjoy retail

but you can still do alot more

if you dont choose to do so

thats your thing

if you just raid log

more power to you

[cyan fog]

Just go duo log, no loading screen full interactivity

[distant swallow]

https://youtu.be/x6HZYUes_5U you could consider this 2 different cutscenes

but its fleshed out

rather than a poorly cropped image and a loading bar

11 years ago btw

[zealous lintel]

yeah

they put effort in

[sinful cove]

its stil load screen but i get you enjoy the immersion of it

[distant swallow]

yeah

[sinful cove]

i jsut dont think its a good point to make fun of loa for not doing

[distant swallow]

in reality it is very much a loading screen

but does it feel like one? nope

[zealous lintel]

but those bits are exactly when people feel more conected to the world

being it a fleshed loading screen or not

[sinful cove]

yeah for sure

[zealous lintel]

thats one good comparison why LOA doesnt feel like an MMO at all

all its left is its class fantasy

and technicality regarding power up systems

just get rid of all npcs

and bake them into your pet

[distant swallow]

one of the good things was adding lounge and that stuff during lobbies

[zealous lintel]

yeah the lounge lobby was a good addition

[distant swallow]

but not much else outside of that

but atp i just blame engine restrictions

and lack of vision

[cyan fog]

Loading screen effort does not make the company money

[distant swallow]

its w/e

[zealous lintel]

i would blame it on the lack of vision

[cyan fog]

Lack of vision is 💯 tho

[distant swallow]

tokyo

[zealous lintel]

which is the culprit most of the time

[distant swallow]

have you ever heard of a loss leader

not everything in a business is for profit

some things lose profit for the sake of gaining an additional potential customer

in this instance, a small detail that adds to the interactivity that can attract more people

no business operates on everything with profit

[cyan fog]

If you wanted to do that there's plenty higher rewarding things than making load screen prettier

[distant swallow]

no one said its the priority

[zealous lintel]

yeah there are.

[distant swallow]

clearly said its an example

[zealous lintel]

its just a low hanging fruit

[cyan fog]

[distant swallow]

do you think free delivery on door dash gives them profit

LOL

many loss leaders in business

attracts to their other products

costco canteen being cheap and unchanging is another

[cyan fog]

Your examples are not like for like with Korean p2w games

Keko

[distant swallow]

they very much are

just not in lost ark

being complacent is one thing but its a silly mentality to assume every decision should result in profit

very naive

[sinful cove]

so like with how you enjoy the loading screens in warframe for immersion, i feel that way about the raid cutscenes. not like act4 nonstop annoying ones, but echidna flying down into the basement in the og gate 2, and it has your characters there.

wow could never. wow feels so lifeless to me

[distant swallow]

ive actually never experienced wow before

surprised it doesnt have this stuff

[cyan fog]

I dont disagree, but im not in charge I just judge their actions

[zealous lintel]

one of the major things i enjoy in LOA as well

[sinful cove]

its just very .. old and also blizzard isnt as creative as people make them out to be nowadays. they think its the old blizzard

[zealous lintel]

but you got peer pressured from day 1 to skip it anyway

[distant swallow]

thats all good dawg

[swift magnet]

[distant swallow]

i remember hearing something about like a hardcore server they opened, just took it from a community mod or something

[zealous lintel]

one of the reasons the MMO genre is on the downward trend. people want to actually see numbers more than anything these days and claim there is no good MMO

[distant swallow]

sometimes the idle games i play feel more like an mmo

lost ark could very much benefit from a big hub or instanced characters

be in different channels but still see each other

[sinful cove]

yeah i wont lie usually we skip, but i do go back and watch and still gets me pumped. i kinda teared up watching loa raids idk why.
i played wow most of its life and have done most raids on mythic and i think only 1 boss/raid excited me ever sadly

[zealous lintel]

t3 in LOA was good in that regard

afterward?

bleeh

like thaemine cutscenes

good

kakul cutscenes

good

valtan cuscenes

good

[sinful cove]

yeah, i enjoyed sercas a bit. but maybe because there hasnt been a good one in forever or who knows

[zealous lintel]

aegir?

bleh

brel 2.0

bleh

mordum

bleh

the only thing i really liked and got me pumped is amorche

thats it

not even kaz

[sinful cove]

armoche was a sick raid

valtan vibes

[zealous lintel]

cause its MMOsque more than anything

[safe lark]

https://tenor.com/view/helicopter-cat-helicopter-cat-heliblo-gif-15685012791631344513

[zealous lintel]

big hall of soldiers

all lined up

big armored guy

with cool and heavy patterns

[sinful cove]

the soilders falling down and making the wall, them closing in and slaming there shields as your doing the destruction

[zealous lintel]

it was just a really good themed raid

echinda was bleh

[sinful cove]

yeah, i dont hate it as much as others but i think beacuse its gate 1. usaully i dont like gate 1s

[zealous lintel]

well i actually liked g1

i liked narkiel

[sinful cove]

i came back after it was gigafarmed already. but i enjoyed the rat runs of it i ended up in

[zealous lintel]

but i also liked og trans

[worldly hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-arrive-gif-25229198

[cyan fog]

Armor-chan and kazeros were good

Kazeros fight would be 9/10 if not for 2 specific mechanics and the punch phase is kinda meh

[potent dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543205733555240990/1450667398263738528/OST__Merry_Argosmas___LOST_ARK_Official_Soundtrack_-_LOST_ARK_1080p_h264.gif

[worldly hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1492804120472719500/1498662458255085730/togif.gif

[fleet plover]

[wise pasture]

look at the whales

[dull obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-larp-larp-lets-go-meme-larping-ryu-jjk-gif-4454813626454837513

[worldly hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/hampter-gif-13476407682734029528

[dull obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/drunk-goddess-reflux-pukey-goddess-trick-shot-pink-drunk-thing-gif-2286091515915812107

[verbal jacinth]

Nah, this some nostalgia bait. Modern Group Finders/Instanced content are just QoL that has eliminated tons of pain points that we could never tolerate now. People might fondly remember peak moments where interacting with the world/chat to do an activity lead to a cool moment. But reality is 99% of the time it's either complete isolation where you'll never see another player in that area, fighting over limited resources, or just empty time waster as people need to travel to the meeting points.

[dull obsidian]

Nah, this some nostalgia bait. Modern Group Finders/Instanced content are just QoL that has eliminated tons of pain points that we could never tolerate now. People might fondly remember peak moments where interacting with the world/chat to do an activity lead to a cool moment. But reality is 99% of the time it's either complete isolation where you'll never see another player in that area, fighting over limited resources, or just empty time waster as people need to travel to the meeting points.

[wind dagger]

Nah, this some nostalgia bait. Modern Group Finders/Instanced content are just QoL that has eliminated tons of pain points that we could never tolerate now. People might fondly remember peak moments where interacting with the world/chat to do an activity lead to a cool moment. But reality is 99% of the time it's either complete isolation where you'll never see another player in that area, fighting over limited resources, or just empty time waster as people need to travel to the meeting points.

[undone summit]

Nah, this some nostalgia bait. Modern Group Finders/Instanced content are just QoL that has eliminated tons of pain points that we could never tolerate now. People might fondly remember peak moments where interacting with the world/chat to do an activity lead to a cool moment. But reality is 99% of the time it's either complete isolation where you'll never see another player in that area, fighting over limited resources, or just empty time waster as people need to travel to the meeting points.

[meager hill]

Nah, this some nostalgia bait. Modern Group Finders/Instanced content are just QoL that has eliminated tons of pain points that we could never tolerate now. People might fondly remember peak moments where interacting with the world/chat to do an activity lead to a cool moment. But reality is 99% of the time it's either complete isolation where you'll never see another player in that area, fighting over limited resources, or just empty time waster as people need to travel to the meeting points.

[wise pasture]

Nah, this some nostalgia bait. Modern Group Finders/Instanced content are just QoL that has eliminated tons of pain points that we could never tolerate now. People might fondly remember peak moments where interacting with the world/chat to do an activity lead to a cool moment. But reality is 99% of the time it's either complete isolation where you'll never see another player in that area, fighting over limited resources, or just empty time waster as people need to travel to the meeting points.

[safe lark]

Nah, this some nostalgia bait. Modern Group Finders/Instanced content are just QoL that has eliminated tons of pain points that we could never tolerate now. People might fondly remember peak moments where interacting with the world/chat to do an activity lead to a cool moment. But reality is 99% of the time it's either complete isolation where you'll never see another player in that area, fighting over limited resources, or just empty time waster as people need to travel to the meeting points.

[undone summit]

Nah, this some nostalgia bait. Modern Group Finders/Instanced content are just QoL that has eliminated tons of pain points that we could never tolerate now. People might fondly remember peak moments where interacting with the world/chat to do an activity lead to a cool moment. But reality is 99% of the time it's either complete isolation where you'll never see another player in that area, fighting over limited resources, or just empty time waster as people need to travel to the meeting points.

[potent dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543205733555240990/1450667398263738528/OST__Merry_Argosmas___LOST_ARK_Official_Soundtrack_-_LOST_ARK_1080p_h264.gif

[cyan fog]

You mean to tell me you dont miss 15 minute flight path from classic WoW?

[zealous lintel]

if you say so

thats why i said before, its just a numbers game for most people these days

[swift magnet]

[cyan fog]

You won yourself another 5 taps on wep

Lucksack

[worldly hawk]

Nah, this some nostalgia bait. Modern Group Finders/Instanced content are just QoL that has eliminated tons of pain points that we could never tolerate now. People might fondly remember peak moments where interacting with the world/chat to do an activity lead to a cool moment. But reality is 99% of the time it's either complete isolation where you'll never see another player in that area, fighting over limited resources, or just empty time waster as people need to travel to the meeting points.

[swift magnet]

dont have reds

it's armor +15 time xD

[cyan fog]

I did like spending 18+ hours a day every day for 3 months farming noobs for honor on classic re-release but thats just me

I wouldnt do it again tho 2 or 3/7 no sleep nights to keep up with bracket 1 after BGs released

[burnt tree]

Wtf

[cyan fog]

Classic wow honor system was a shitshow design yep

[zealous lintel]

some symstem were crap

noone said they were perfect games

[worldly hawk]

the "honor" system in loa isn't really any better xd

[zealous lintel]

but if the older version beats the new one

there is something wrong

[cyan fog]

Thats extremely subjective

If you want to live in the past just play some osrs and be happy

[zealous lintel]

but its not

its backed by numbers

blizz actually released a chart with total numbers

for the different installations

[worldly hawk]

you can't forget the nostalgia factor

[zealous lintel]

there are people playing for nostalgia 100%

[verbal jacinth]

Older version of games aren't really better. It's just easier floors most of the time and the nostalgia/narrative is easier to shill on platforms like youtube/twitch

[zealous lintel]

but not 100%

[zealous lintel]

again

if you say sp

we had this rodeo already

[cursive ruin]

ban every dps valk player who doesn't have at least a simple support build

[zealous lintel]

you are living in your own bubble sinzero

regarding the overall game concept

[verbal jacinth]

OSRS, isn't old anymore it just uses the old game engine logics and new content. RS3 is just awful on its own in comparison

[zealous lintel]

and thats fine

[swift tree]

it gets regular updates but ok

[worldly hawk]

i can think of multiple examples where the original is better than the new,

[cyan fog]

Send em in

[swift tree]

OSRS is just called that because it's Runescape "Before we fucked it with mobile game elements"

[zealous lintel]

its just people playing the numbers game prefer newer versions cause they are efficient

and reachable with one button click

great

[worldly hawk]

Destiny 2 got ruined by updates.

[zealous lintel]

there are obviously people liking this style of "games"

[worldly hawk]

new runescape is objectivly worse than the older one

[zealous lintel]

just like there is the other part who doesnt

[swift tree]

yes, because the ceo of Jagex at the time wanted to introduce mobile game elements

[cyan fog]

I wouldnt call destiny 2 an MMO

[swift tree]

they literaly wasted money on a dead Clash of Clans clone that was cool concept but god awful in hindsight

[worldly hawk]

like hell even the GTA remakes are fucking terrible

[verbal jacinth]

Nah bro, I take a look at the other perspective and verify. I'm doing research right now to verify if it's true and holy moly, the nostalgia bait and low floor is pretty much what older/classic versions of games shill on.

[swift tree]

Destiny 2 is an MMO, but not an MMORPG

[zealous lintel]

no

you are living in your own bubble

[worldly hawk]

they ruined the game by ripping out content that people payed for

[verbal jacinth]

Nope. I'm playing tbc right now under your premise and everything you said has been pretty much wrong.

[zealous lintel]

the fact that you cant take a reasoning from the other side and chalk it up to only nostalgia is the problem

[zealous lintel]

no

[swift tree]

yikes

[zealous lintel]

it hasnt

you palying it now

you werent there at the start

that was the basis

of our discussion

[swift tree]

start of what ?

[cyan fog]

You can circlejerk all you want but until you bring actual numbers and charts in its just random shit throwing

[verbal jacinth]

Yea, I subscribed just to verify your claims.

[zealous lintel]

obviously they are going to hr dst now

its obvious

[potent dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/606000700295479307/1146571144602865754/i015766807922.gif

[zealous lintel]

just as an example

[worldly hawk]

bitch what

[cyan fog]

You realise he's right, the wow re-releases past the original classic one lost like 80% of their playerbase instantly

[worldly hawk]

tfym doloris

[cyan fog]

Tbc is the best example

[zealous lintel]

all good

[worldly hawk]

they don't even have the title themselfes

[zealous lintel]

i am not talking about the rentention of the games population

[swift tree]

that party title just means 'please carry me'

[cyan fog]

The lack of retention is due to the game and its appeal being very outdated

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/umbridge-dolores-harry-potter-gif-13824377

[zealous lintel]

there is always people quitting

[cyan fog]

And thats fine

[zealous lintel]

na

[worldly hawk]

yeah i won't be doing that

[zealous lintel]

so is retail then

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-likely-the-weasley-twins-harry-potter-gif-14151165

[zealous lintel]

cause people stop playing the game midway 24/7

its just the natural cause

only the hardcore will stay

[verbal jacinth]

Literaly everything in classic wow in terms of content, is pretty anti nostalgia. PuG standard is SR meta since GDKP are banned. Rogues are perma no invite on pug scenes. Loot distribution and fairness is insanely poor, everybody just trying to HR any and all things.

[zealous lintel]

and thats true for every game

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/dobby-dobby-getting-kicked-harry-potter-gif-25849585

[cyan fog]

Retail is a seasonal game model now but the game retains a strong ass pop

[zealous lintel]

its just how much people are going to relog after a time

[cyan fog]

So your argument is moot

[zealous lintel]

no

[swift tree]

literally response to her line

[zealous lintel]

retail was in the shitter pre dragonflight

[verbal jacinth]

That's not even my personal gripe about it so far. Every single raid you do in classic wow is a discord invite + SR link into a 1-3 Dad gamers who talk non stop the entire raid about their personal day as they do subpar performance.

[swift tree]

Cant speak in terms of classic WoW, but if they're doing QoL changes and gameplay fixes then its not relying entirely on nostalgia

[zealous lintel]

bfa was garbage

[cyan fog]

That has nothing to do with the point you're making about MMOs and everything to do with how terrible their decisions were at the time

[zealous lintel]

shadwolands was garbage

it does

[cyan fog]

The game was just as MMO as it is now

[potent dagger]

Dont forget background noises because they game in living room with children watching tv and wife cooking.
All same room somehow

[zealous lintel]

there were longtime peopel quitting

cause of thsoe tw expansions

[worldly hawk]

@swift tree like people have paid for those expansions and they took them away

[zealous lintel]

the rentation was abysmal

people even put up with WOD

[swift tree]

Yeah... yikes

[verbal jacinth]

In terms of gameplay loop/QoL, modernized WoW beats old iteration in major folds even with the old versions having modernized tools inserted.

[swift tree]

Last time that happened with me, I got a free full game

[cyan fog]

None of that has anything to do with the game not being an "MMO" as older versions btw

[zealous lintel]

it got pulled out numbers wise because classic rereleased and got its own footing

[verbal jacinth]

It just pressing the 1 button gameplay loop to do 80% of your class rotation is alot easier to get people to enjoy than pressing 20 keybinds to maximize class performance.

[swift tree]

Dying Light 🇼

[zealous lintel]

its not about MMO here tho

[verbal jacinth]

But guess what, modern wow has 1 button rotations now too.

[zealous lintel]

we talking about the systems

[potent dagger]

We we paied for a license

[zealous lintel]

and numbers

in regards of rentention atm

[worldly hawk]

that's like.... 250€ worth of DLC that are just gone

[cyan fog]

Your original point was that older MMOs were better because interactive and player connections and memories and yada-yada

[zealous lintel]

modern WOW got streamlined

yeah

but sinzero started talking about numbers

so i went with that

[swift tree]

you paid for a digital license in order to receive part of a digital service. Bungee not only refused to render that service, but pulled your license without refund or reimbursement.

big no no under more secure consumer laws.

[verbal jacinth]

Lol. Systems are awful in older games. It's basically 90% bulk/useless drops and 10% BiS that players are all chasing. Evern worse when the loot is per boss so everyone is competiting for same gear.

[zealous lintel]

i mean if oyu say so

[worldly hawk]

i think they got slammed in the EU for it

not sure tho

[zealous lintel]

on a technical level you are right

but thats it

[potent dagger]

No

[cyan fog]

Systems are awful in modern game too dw sin

[zealous lintel]

there are people, like i mentioned before, only care about numbers

[swift tree]

If its anything like what happened with Valve, they probably got reamed like the ACCC did here with returns

[zealous lintel]

great for you

[potent dagger]

Because most online stuff is barley legal

[zealous lintel]

but there are outdated systems which people loved

[swift tree]

AU is why Steam has that refund period on all games now

[zealous lintel]

just accept it

and stop this stupid deflecting

cause you cant cope with it

[verbal jacinth]

It's not wrong. TBC itemization every caster dps is rolling cloth gear, every pdps is rolling leather gear, healers/tanks have diversity due to the stats being split on cloth/leather and mail/plate.

[zealous lintel]

and again

dude

great

for you

i agree even in some points

[worldly hawk]

[verbal jacinth]

Feels like you're just defending off feelings. When I'm just stating facts.

[zealous lintel]

but you are so obtuse holy shit

[zealous lintel]

THATS EXACTLY IT

[potent dagger]

Once stop killing games goes further. Hopefully stuff like that can never happen again

[zealous lintel]

ITS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT NUMBERS

holy fricking shit

obvsiously its about feelings

[cyan fog]

Not to you, but it is in this day and age

[zealous lintel]

or emotions

[worldly hawk]

they won in th EU parlament so probably soon™

[zealous lintel]

holy frikcing shit

[cursive ruin]

i need white noise

[zealous lintel]

i cant

[cursive ruin]

is sinzero chuan's alt?

[zealous lintel]

thats why the games "feel" like they do these days

[swift tree]

found that simcity game that got yeeted on Internet Archive. its pretty shit on its own but it could be easily modded using XML and there was a bunch of good quality mods

[zealous lintel]

thats exactly the point why LOA feels the way it does

[verbal jacinth]

wat are you talking about? Literally 99% of the players playing the game disagree. Classic wow is riddled with parse culture since that's all there is left to do. Since floor is so easy the only new way to enjoy is higher numbers.

[cyan fog]

Imagine some new MMO or similar game releasing these days and not being instantly hyperoptimised

[potent dagger]

Yea current traction makes me happy

[zealous lintel]

yeah cause you are only up there stikcing your head in one bubble

[worldly hawk]

sir gaming is literally all about feeling a game is supposed to be fun, if a game is fun people will play it. if changes in the newer installment/game made the game less fun for people, people will of course play the original

[zealous lintel]

thats WHATS LEFT obviously do

but there are sub cultures and people not caring about that stuff

you deniying it on every convo we have

[potent dagger]

Its funny that smaller studios basically follow in line with SKG with less man power. But big AAA refuses

[zealous lintel]

is exactly my point

[verbal jacinth]

The majority allign with my thinking in the games you mentioned.

[safe lark]

https://tenor.com/view/helicopter-cat-helicopter-cat-heliblo-gif-15685012791631344513

[zealous lintel]

yes, parse culture is prelevant

[worldly hawk]

i've been saying it for a few years now, indie is the future and AAA needs to die

[zealous lintel]

yes it exists

[swift tree]

Its cheaper to build a game without DRM in the first place

[zealous lintel]

yes its taking up at least 50% of the games population

but stop with the cap its about anyone and everyone

it is in fact not

[potent dagger]

[swift tree]

*prevalent, your arguement is invalid.

[verbal jacinth]

I never said everyone. I said majority multiple times. If anything you're kinda in the small bubble you share with like 10 people.

[worldly hawk]

idk what brings companies to include DRMs in their games, like they get broken in hours there is literally no point to them except making the gaming experience worse

[potent dagger]

I still like AAA. But 90% are poop

[zealous lintel]

if this is the case why arent they playing retail

retail is all about parsing

[sinful cove]

you know whats funny. bfa had nzoth raid + corruption which once they patched it to fix its problems. it wa sone of the most loved wow patches

[cyan fog]

Ye bro maybe in Scooby doo video game and devil may cry

[sinful cove]

but older wow players say bfa was bad

[verbal jacinth]

wdf? Retail has way more avenues cater toward variety play.

Retail just has insanely poor marketing/hype compare to classic; hence people will try out classic more often then retail.

[zealous lintel]

and a bigger pool of people playing for this exact parse culture

its way more balanced

[swift tree]

Data collection from DRM software running in backround + industry deals w/ Epic Games and other providers

[zealous lintel]

stop this

stop moving goalposts

[swift tree]

"Hey, we'll give you an enterprise discount if you use our DRM for all your stuff"

[zealous lintel]

we aint talking about marketing now

[verbal jacinth]

Take Shadowlands as you mentioned, it was overall a bad expansion. However, statistically speaking it was one of WoW strongest launch/1st tier expansion, because it was way more marketed/hyped than anything else.

[zealous lintel]

every wow player playing classic knows retail exists

the same the other way around

[zealous lintel]

[swift tree]

Sorry, I dont make the rules

[zealous lintel]

[worldly hawk]

DRMs like denuvo literally get cracked say day of release i really don't see any point to them

[potent dagger]

They gib worse performance

[zealous lintel]

i mean they were just bad expansions

[swift tree]

I mean it's WoW...

[zealous lintel]

thats why the pulled out the total number chart and how classic actually had "saved" in some form this gap

DF was good

[verbal jacinth]

I think you severly underestimate the impact of hype on classic wow. When there's no hype/media attention, classic is insanely dead.

[zealous lintel]

dude, whatever

i am not going for the back and forth again

[errant fable]

yes it is

[zealous lintel]

you are right

[potent dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543205733555240990/1450667398263738528/OST__Merry_Argosmas___LOST_ARK_Official_Soundtrack_-_LOST_ARK_1080p_h264.gif

[zealous lintel]

it has everything to do with what you said

and nothing to do with what i said

[swift tree]

WoW's legacy is just a bunch of sexual harassment scandals, pre-Overwatch practice for budding 🌽 artists and Hearthstone.

[cyan fog]

In terms of feelings, people dont really play MMOs for the classic dictionary definition of what you'd have called "fun" in the past.

Thats why you can circlejerk on this forever.

People get their kick out of seeing their character progress, "number go higher" type shit, doing things efficiently and whatever, be it a good or bad thing.

The MMO playerbase is not 13-16 year old kids getting their minds blown by sick lore and great storytelling anymore, its 22-40 year old who've seen it all and now want different things.

[errant fable]

https://tenor.com/view/giant-bomb-jeff-gerstmann-bigger-mario-party-gif-25290782

[cyan fog]

The only people playing MMO for "fun" is your mom and women who just dont have hands or eyes or brain enough to be good at the game - from my experience atleast

[potent dagger]

I wanne do cool raids

[swift tree]

It's still literally "all of the above" the problem is demographics have changed.

[zealous lintel]

i have completley different experience but maybe i am just a unicorn

[potent dagger]

Idc who you are and why we fight. I want a cool fight

[verbal jacinth]

I mean I'm honestly responding to all your points and stating my logic with evidence/research. Which you often agree upon, but then provide no real backing on your logic. So idk man, just take a second, think about it and provide a grounded statement that you can back up.

[potent dagger]

Source: trust me bro

[zealous lintel]

i did before where you came back with "i SuBsCrIbEd To tBc NoW"

[errant fable]

wait womans in a mmo

[zealous lintel]

your "grounded" arguments

are your own bubble

your own circle

[potent dagger]

More likely than cod

[zealous lintel]

you didnt bring forth a single backed up numbered argument for oyur side either

[cyan fog]

The only people I see that actually enjoy things like pet battles and housing in wow are what I stated above

[swift tree]

Leisure time for people has had the floor collapse out thanks to cratering socio-economic conditions for most people.
Games that require long-term investment into characters, builds, encounters that take long periods of time are become unsuitable for this new audience.
PC audience is becoming a lot younger because consoles are too expensive for family households. Any gaming being either on mobile/tablet, notebook or a shared family computer (that can also be used for paperwork/WFH).

[errant fable]

Cod = Kids game

[verbal jacinth]

What do you mean? You said last discussion I was out of touch. So I made sure I wasn't. With full on fresh experience to verify if I was wrong or not. So far I've not found your claims to match my experience. I literaly subscribe a week after to verify b/c I considered your thoughts.

[potent dagger]

[zealous lintel]

seems like you only saw one type of palyer

[cyan fog]

Did you ask Claude

[errant fable]

fat kids ?

[swift tree]

The people that played CoD in its heyday are now in their late 20s, 30s

[potent dagger]

[verbal jacinth]

Why are you geting mad, that I took the time and made sure I wasn't wrong?

[swift tree]

No, unlike people who rely on AI. I can actually construct a fucking sentence together.

[errant fable]

they swap to fortnite

[zealous lintel]

you did?

[errant fable]

https://tenor.com/view/tung-tung-tung-sahur-67-67-meme-fortnite-emote-gif-13299458995536216312

[zealous lintel]

do you have receipts?

cause we can call names 24/7

without backing it up

all good

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-lick-kedikizx-gif-1539313334602174067

[swift tree]

People who played Counter-Strike: Source are now in their 30s

fuck sake

[verbal jacinth]

Sure. Gimme some time to get it.

[zealous lintel]

great. now add onto screenshots of all the lobbies you checked

[cyan fog]

Nobody played source cya nerd

Shit game

[zealous lintel]

everytime you claim its the same old same old

[cyan fog]

1.6 my goat forever

Source never overtook 1.6 in prize pool nor number of tourneys hosted right up until csgo

[verbal jacinth]

https://fresh.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/dreamscythe/sinzero? I've never healed before so was kinda a mix experience and ssc/tk didnt go well for me week 1 4 hour session.

[cyan fog]

Tbc is a bad example to argue on, its hecking terrible

[verbal jacinth]

Why are you asking for so much, I think I provided enough

[cyan fog]

Classic release had hype and marketing sure but it retained pop for a good long time because the feel of the game is something people craved for years

[zealous lintel]

no you didnt

cause you claimed its like you said before

like everyone HRing stuff 24/7

getting hard into groups

cause everyone min maxes their rosters

noone giving you the time of the day cause you didnt had prebis items

[swift tree]

@verbal jacinth @zealous lintel That's it, get in.

[zealous lintel]

thats the things you claimed in our convo

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/roasted-spongebob-coffin-gif-5703731

[verbal jacinth]

Everyone is HR stuff, I've been in 0 GL/Mags without a HR on DST or head.

[zealous lintel]

then show me 🙂

you see i know they are doing this

but you talked about grounded/backed up arguments

where is your backed up stuff

[verbal jacinth]

Sorry, I didn't capture this data, but I can assure you it's the standard. I can take a pick of the party finder scene on the more standard raid times where there would be t4 party finders if you'd like.

[zealous lintel]

yeah and thats the thing

"i know they are doing this"

the same i claim the opposite

and you say i am talking out of my ass

well, then thats that

[verbal jacinth]

What do you mean? I literaly just said I'll get you the data. I just don't have it b/c I never recorded it.

[swift tree]

I swear half this chat needs to be locked in Metus for 24 hours

[zealous lintel]

so you have no data

correct?

[verbal jacinth]

No I can get data, but I feel like you'll cherry pick it

[zealous lintel]

no i dont

[verbal jacinth]

ok sec.

[zealous lintel]

it was you

who started it

not me

but in the end of the way it was never my point.

[swift tree]

always the shit gems

[zealous lintel]

i am once every moon here

didnt write a single thing in a week

[verbal jacinth]

Every single post here for gruuls/mags on server lfm has a HR listed here for this week.

[wise pasture]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1196211170693099620/1339884690831573034/gems_pwease_kujirawr.gif

[verbal jacinth]

In game party finder is usually dead at this time so I can't get you in game picture, but its the same thing.

[zealous lintel]

We have two different opinions cause we play with two different demographics. If thats your opinion, so be it. We wont meet each other regarding this point so its wasted time arguing.

[verbal jacinth]

Feels like a cop-out answer, after I validated all your asks. So far you haven't proven any of your points.

[potent dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543205733555240990/1450667398263738528/OST__Merry_Argosmas___LOST_ARK_Official_Soundtrack_-_LOST_ARK_1080p_h264.gif

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-lick-kedikizx-gif-1539313334602174067

[tulip charm]

something i learned just now, never queue argos on a weaker alt

it groups you together with all 1710 and 1700 rice eaters, its prob all bots not 100%, no one does any mechs or counters

[wintry depot]

No shit

[wise pasture]

arna toxic

I approve in rage cultivation efforts

[undone summit]

@wise pasture gave @wintry depot +1 reputation.

[wintry depot]

[low nebula]

arna toxic? nooway

[slender sky]

why did these clowns that dont even play anymore discuss for hours on end about a completely different game here?

lmao

[distant swallow]

arna just mad cause she doesnt have the headpiece

ags about to be +700 rc

[slender sky]

i approve about the new atro prices

[wintry depot]

I wont pay 700rc for it

Need to ban a mf

[distant swallow]

i was buying them off discord for like 50k each

like a year ago

had to dm everyone i knew in brelshaza

😭

[wise pasture]

[slender sky]

i forgot to cop the street loose pants before they left

[wintry depot]

Well sadly this skin didnt exists on specialist before

New chest being 200k in market is dumb af aswell

[slender sky]

halp im online

am i a ghost

is this a simulation

[burnt tree]

Yes

We are all living in an advanced AI coded world

[stuck vortex]

lol

[slender sky]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-hamster-meme-hamster-dance-hamster-wig-dance-gif-3191535845011493307

[swift tree]

AKA nothing fucking works

[burnt tree]

Exactly

[mystic basin]

Why does his head look like that

[swift tree]

AI generated

[mystic basin]

Ok maybe I'm just tripping it kinda looked like a dick from the front

[burnt tree]

Now i can't unsee it

[slender sky]

your dry spell is that long huh

[mystic basin]

Huh

[slender sky]

i said what i said generalnoobi

[mystic basin]

[slender sky]

thx4answer

[slender sky]

https://giphy.com/gifs/CLJObmqmzxa1N6GAxB

i hope you dont see anything in this aswell

[mystic basin]

[swift tree]

just same ugly bowl cut

[cinder mango]

https://tenor.com/view/yuumi-cat-lick-monitor-gif-24703683

[wind dagger]

[sharp rock]

Püh

[slender sky]

https://tenor.com/view/turtle-dancing-turtle-dancing-gif-26053064

[thorn basin]

hello

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mom-mama-mother-lick-gif-13059778370190649168

[cyan fog]

https://giphy.com/gifs/what-the-fuck-wtf-ukGm72ZLZvYfS

[dull obsidian]

@sand marsh https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/s/PKbAwgKLEg

[wintry depot]

ew

[cyan fog]

defild simps oh no

[cyan fog]

i mean its lost ark subreddit afterall

[dull obsidian]

Who even is this defiled guy lol

Why you hate him so much

[cyan fog]

there are for sure some good takeaways from defild videos

[wintry depot]

misinfo guy

[cyan fog]

its not all doom and gloom

but you need to know when to listen and when to tune out

[wintry depot]

when you talk about gvg gold TO NEW PLAYERS
when it was deleted 6 months before

cant take him seriously

idc about the rest, i dont follow his videos

[dull obsidian]

That's my goat

[wintry depot]

i know his tier lists takes are

interesting

but who cares about tier lists

[dull obsidian]

OHH

Iced posted it before

Surge was middle S tier

And RE was B tier

[wintry depot]

but yeah just the old misinfo made me just go away of his guides

[cyan fog]

being forced to play lost ark in windowed mode because it defaults to my main screen and i need that for work until 5pm

[slender sky]

least surprising thing that a creature that replies to every single reddit post recommends defild

[cyan fog]

i cant even make it bigger fs

any nerd know the shortcut

[slender sky]

hello

[thorn basin]

do you have raids left owo

[slender sky]

nope im done for the week

[thorn basin]

no inv is crazy

[slender sky]

shaddup bitch

[dull obsidian]

When EU and NA merge with server side raid ping fr

[thorn basin]

can we be nice

[wintry depot]

na, i wont have any excuse anymore to be bad at the game

[thorn basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1107876706322223154/1441588082695733452/twitter_1991660716366131404.gif

[wintry depot]

except that my pc sucks ass

and im bad

[dull obsidian]

Anything we don't know?

[wintry depot]

i want hairstyles

[slender sky]

ok

[worldly hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/852619895119020033/1458511219693719623/Serca_Shes_Crazy3_Sath.gif

[wintry depot]

truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue

[dull obsidian]

Gonna send this to my brother when he wakes up at 2am and microwaves the leftovers wutda

[worldly hawk]

BEEP BEEP BEEP

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/potato-microwave-mmm-gif-18399985

[slender sky]

yessssssss

im sitting on 25 hoodies and hats

[cinder mango]

https://tenor.com/view/yuumi-cat-lick-monitor-gif-24703683

[worldly hawk]

[worldly hawk]

tell me you don't want to play LoL without telling me you don't want to play LoL : any yuumi main ever

[dull obsidian]

Wtf that's literally me in NA

[cyan fog]

https://tenor.com/view/league-of-legends-meme-hop-on-hop-on-league-gif-27081663

[worldly hawk]

bold of you to assume a league player would go outside

[wintry depot]

i dont really play league and i still dont go outside

[cyan fog]

try it sometime its not that bad

life needs a balance

this is the third ive got this week

[swift tree]

Im cold

[wintry depot]

ew no

[wintry depot]

me too

[cinder mango]

https://klipy.com/gifs/just-my-luck-wheel--k01KS2F5C64V646W10Q0KDDRPS5

[wintry depot]

deadgame

[cinder mango]

alive game

[cyan fog]

theres lots of animals outside that you can make friends with

not really cats though i guess cus those things are bitches

[wintry depot]

i still dont like going outside

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/cheeks-cat-bite-gif-3185314266035869555

[wintry depot]

and most animals i see are cats and squirrels

[cyan fog]

internet pictures dont really count

theres actually lots of squirrels close to me i often have to brake while driving so they can cross

[wintry depot]

i dont count them

[wise pasture]

arna too rich to care, got it

[wintry depot]

im poor

[wise pasture]

bet you have a bunch of whales swimming in your pool that rest of the world would call personal lake

[wintry depot]

what pool

[wise pasture]

exactly

[wintry depot]

you think i have a house or what XD

[wise pasture]

no, a mansion the size of mountain ridge

[slender sky]

just ask you fkin dumbass

[safe lark]

she doesnt even ask me

[wise pasture]

yeah, she just grabs you and drags you to it

[safe lark]

[wintry depot]

dddddeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaddddddddddddddddddgggggggggggggaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[broken lava]

just solo it

[wintry depot]

im playing mobile game

[safe lark]

thx4inv

[worldly hawk]

could've done 4 solo cubes by now

[wintry depot]

i dont like solo cubes

they boring

its funnier to complain

[broken lava]

and waiting 21 mins is not boring?

[wise pasture]

5-7

[cyan fog]

in 21 mins shes probs earned a whole 5 bucks to put towards next reskin ticket

🧠

[wintry depot]

i play on mobile

[wise pasture]

you mean per second for her

[wintry depot]

25 now

[safe lark]

I'm not mad in any way and if I came across that way I am deeply sorry. I can totally undestand you're frustrated by the current situation you're in.
All I wanted to do is provide an objective take, an explanation of why this happens and some proper guidance that might fix your issue without the need to wait for any other instance resulting in more frustration.
Again LOA's service is not at fault since thousands of other stay online in the game while you're getting disconnected. Thus the problem resides between you and your connection to the service. Namely starting at your hardware at home all the physical way to the LOA servers, managed by your ISP's routing/peering, ipv4v6 transitioning and such.

Short term troubleshooting involves checking your hardware, which you've probably done since you don't run into issues with other services or simply don't perceive em as distinctly as in Lost Ark. At the same time please be aware that other services you use might be hosted elsewhere, have different routing or simply work differently.

In most cases faulty routing or selective peering can be fixed by changing your handler, aka a VPN. For instance give ProtonVPN a try. Grab a test month, give it a few days of testing and see if this fixes your issue. Its almost free of any cost and if you're unhappy you can even charge back your money in the first 30 days.

Long term troubleshooting involves reporting your issues to your ISP and have them sorting out whats happening. They can easily check your connection and any hiccups that might occur since they're also holding on to all logs regarding your connection until the point it hits LOA's services.
While this might take some time you'll have all information prepared for AGS that everything on your end is entirely fine and the problem results from their services. Not only will this strengthen your position but also contribute in justifying a further interrogation of the problem.

[worldly hawk]

I'm not mad in any way and if I came across that way I am deeply sorry. I can totally undestand you're frustrated by the current situation you're in.
All I wanted to do is provide an objective take, an explanation of why this happens and some proper guidance that might fix your issue without the need to wait for any other instance resulting in more frustration.
Again LOA's service is not at fault since thousands of other stay online in the game while you're getting disconnected. Thus the problem resides between you and your connection to the service. Namely starting at your hardware at home all the physical way to the LOA servers, managed by your ISP's routing/peering, ipv4v6 transitioning and such.

Short term troubleshooting involves checking your hardware, which you've probably done since you don't run into issues with other services or simply don't perceive em as distinctly as in Lost Ark. At the same time please be aware that other services you use might be hosted elsewhere, have different routing or simply work differently.

In most cases faulty routing or selective peering can be fixed by changing your handler, aka a VPN. For instance give ProtonVPN a try. Grab a test month, give it a few days of testing and see if this fixes your issue. Its almost free of any cost and if you're unhappy you can even charge back your money in the first 30 days.

Long term troubleshooting involves reporting your issues to your ISP and have them sorting out whats happening. They can easily check your connection and any hiccups that might occur since they're also holding on to all logs regarding your connection until the point it hits LOA's services.
While this might take some time you'll have all information prepared for AGS that everything on your end is entirely fine and the problem results from their services. Not only will this strengthen your position but also contribute in justifying a further interrogation of the problem.

[wintry depot]

I'm not mad in any way and if I came across that way I am deeply sorry. I can totally undestand you're frustrated by the current situation you're in.
All I wanted to do is provide an objective take, an explanation of why this happens and some proper guidance that might fix your issue without the need to wait for any other instance resulting in more frustration.
Again LOA's service is not at fault since thousands of other stay online in the game while you're getting disconnected. Thus the problem resides between you and your connection to the service. Namely starting at your hardware at home all the physical way to the LOA servers, managed by your ISP's routing/peering, ipv4v6 transitioning and such.

Short term troubleshooting involves checking your hardware, which you've probably done since you don't run into issues with other services or simply don't perceive em as distinctly as in Lost Ark. At the same time please be aware that other services you use might be hosted elsewhere, have different routing or simply work differently.

In most cases faulty routing or selective peering can be fixed by changing your handler, aka a VPN. For instance give ProtonVPN a try. Grab a test month, give it a few days of testing and see if this fixes your issue. Its almost free of any cost and if you're unhappy you can even charge back your money in the first 30 days.

Long term troubleshooting involves reporting your issues to your ISP and have them sorting out whats happening. They can easily check your connection and any hiccups that might occur since they're also holding on to all logs regarding your connection until the point it hits LOA's services.
While this might take some time you'll have all information prepared for AGS that everything on your end is entirely fine and the problem results from their services. Not only will this strengthen your position but also contribute in justifying a further interrogation of the problem.

[undone summit]

I'm not mad in any way and if I came across that way I am deeply sorry. I can totally undestand you're frustrated by the current situation you're in.
All I wanted to do is provide an objective take, an explanation of why this happens and some proper guidance that might fix your issue without the need to wait for any other instance resulting in more frustration.
Again LOA's service is not at fault since thousands of other stay online in the game while you're getting disconnected. Thus the problem resides between you and your connection to the service. Namely starting at your hardware at home all the physical way to the LOA servers, managed by your ISP's routing/peering, ipv4v6 transitioning and such.

Short term troubleshooting involves checking your hardware, which you've probably done since you don't run into issues with other services or simply don't perceive em as distinctly as in Lost Ark. At the same time please be aware that other services you use might be hosted elsewhere, have different routing or simply work differently.

In most cases faulty routing or selective peering can be fixed by changing your handler, aka a VPN. For instance give ProtonVPN a try. Grab a test month, give it a few days of testing and see if this fixes your issue. Its almost free of any cost and if you're unhappy you can even charge back your money in the first 30 days.

Long term troubleshooting involves reporting your issues to your ISP and have them sorting out whats happening. They can easily check your connection and any hiccups that might occur since they're also holding on to all logs regarding your connection until the point it hits LOA's services.
While this might take some time you'll have all information prepared for AGS that everything on your end is entirely fine and the problem results from their services. Not only will this strengthen your position but also contribute in justifying a further interrogation of the problem.

[wise pasture]

I'm not mad in any way and if I came across that way I am deeply sorry. I can totally undestand you're frustrated by the current situation you're in.
All I wanted to do is provide an objective take, an explanation of why this happens and some proper guidance that might fix your issue without the need to wait for any other instance resulting in more frustration.
Again LOA's service is not at fault since thousands of other stay online in the game while you're getting disconnected. Thus the problem resides between you and your connection to the service. Namely starting at your hardware at home all the physical way to the LOA servers, managed by your ISP's routing/peering, ipv4v6 transitioning and such.

Short term troubleshooting involves checking your hardware, which you've probably done since you don't run into issues with other services or simply don't perceive em as distinctly as in Lost Ark. At the same time please be aware that other services you use might be hosted elsewhere, have different routing or simply work differently.

In most cases faulty routing or selective peering can be fixed by changing your handler, aka a VPN. For instance give ProtonVPN a try. Grab a test month, give it a few days of testing and see if this fixes your issue. Its almost free of any cost and if you're unhappy you can even charge back your money in the first 30 days.

Long term troubleshooting involves reporting your issues to your ISP and have them sorting out whats happening. They can easily check your connection and any hiccups that might occur since they're also holding on to all logs regarding your connection until the point it hits LOA's services.
While this might take some time you'll have all information prepared for AGS that everything on your end is entirely fine and the problem results from their services. Not only will this strengthen your position but also contribute in justifying a further interrogation of the problem.

[swift tree]

I'm not mad in any way and if I came across that way I am deeply sorry. I can totally undestand you're frustrated by the current situation you're in.
All I wanted to do is provide an objective take, an explanation of why this happens and some proper guidance that might fix your issue without the need to wait for any other instance resulting in more frustration.
Again LOA's service is not at fault since thousands of other stay online in the game while you're getting disconnected. Thus the problem resides between you and your connection to the service. Namely starting at your hardware at home all the physical way to the LOA servers, managed by your ISP's routing/peering, ipv4v6 transitioning and such.

Short term troubleshooting involves checking your hardware, which you've probably done since you don't run into issues with other services or simply don't perceive em as distinctly as in Lost Ark. At the same time please be aware that other services you use might be hosted elsewhere, have different routing or simply work differently.

In most cases faulty routing or selective peering can be fixed by changing your handler, aka a VPN. For instance give ProtonVPN a try. Grab a test month, give it a few days of testing and see if this fixes your issue. Its almost free of any cost and if you're unhappy you can even charge back your money in the first 30 days.

Long term troubleshooting involves reporting your issues to your ISP and have them sorting out whats happening. They can easily check your connection and any hiccups that might occur since they're also holding on to all logs regarding your connection until the point it hits LOA's services.
While this might take some time you'll have all information prepared for AGS that everything on your end is entirely fine and the problem results from their services. Not only will this strengthen your position but also contribute in justifying a further interrogation of the problem.

[safe lark]

i had to cut it

was 2long without nitro

XD

[swift tree]

send original

[safe lark]

#889990467889037342 message

[swift tree]

I'm not mad in any way and if I came across that way I am deeply sorry. I can totally undestand you're frustrated by the current situation you're in.
All I wanted to do is provide an objective take, an explanation of why this happens and some proper guidance that might fix your issue without the need to wait for any other instance resulting in more frustration.

Again LOA's service is not at fault since thousands of other stay online in the game while you're getting disconnected. Thus the problem resides between you and your connection to the service. Namely starting at your hardware at home all the physical way to the LOA servers, managed by your ISP's routing/peering, ipv4v6 transitioning and such.

Short term troubleshooting involves checking your hardware, which you've probably done since you don't run into issues with other services or simply don't perceive em as distinctly as in Lost Ark. At the same time please be aware that other services you use might be hosted elsewhere, have different routing or simply work differently.

In most cases faulty routing or selective peering can be fixed by changing your handler, aka a VPN. For instance give ProtonVPN a try. Grab a test month, give it a few days of testing and see if this fixes your issue. Its almost free of any cost and if you're unhappy you can even charge back your money in the first 30 days.

Long term troubleshooting involves reporting your issues to your ISP and have them sorting out whats happening. They can easily check your connection and any hiccups that might occur since they're also holding on to all logs regarding your connection until the point it hits LOA's services.

While this might take some time you'll have all information prepared for AGS that everything on your end is entirely fine and the problem results from their services. Not only will this strengthen your position but also contribute in justifying a further interrogation of the problem. Since the problem only occurs on a minor number of players this is the least you should do.

At the same time please keep in mind that I always said "LOA's services", this includes EAC which might be another root cause as mentioned by others in this discord.

Best of luck getting your problem fixed, hope you can enjoy LOA without any disconnects soon again.

[safe lark]

oiler

[worldly hawk]

[swift tree]

I locked in a cheap nitro deal when they removed the game shop

kept it since

[cyan fog]

is this from official discord

i like this reply

[swift tree]

tl;dr I pay like $10 for the $14 one

[wintry depot]

yes

[cyan fog]

very concise, educated, complete reply

[safe lark]

who would read it

its copy paste

👁️

[cyan fog]

not lost ark player because they can't read

[wintry depot]

true, i cant read

and i cant type

[safe lark]

i have Texttospeak

[wise pasture]

you assume zerkers read?

[safe lark]

Arna is reading

[wintry depot]

its ai

[safe lark]

ArnaAI

she is cold as well

[wintry depot]

35mins

[slender sky]

hope one doesnt accept and you go back to queue

[wintry depot]

im in

[safe lark]

https://tenor.com/view/helicopter-cat-helicopter-cat-heliblo-gif-15685012791631344513

[wise pasture]

normally that is the other way around, but hey

[wintry depot]

are you

assuming my gender

????????????????????????

[worldly hawk]

now someone is gonna go afk

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mom-mama-mother-lick-gif-13059778370190649168

[wintry depot]

they all playing actually

[wise pasture]

it is cold

[worldly hawk]

yes, what are you gonna do about it

[safe lark]

i assumed already

now we do sword fights

[wintry depot]

i cant say what i want here

[worldly hawk]

[wise pasture]

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-play-gif-22452352

[swift tree]

huh

[safe lark]

not fair tho, Arna's sword is montrous

[swift tree]

It's all the kpop souls she's taken
(the sword is a she)

[wise pasture]

cant beat greatsword

[wintry depot]

My cat is trying to enter bathroom

Leave me in peace

[safe lark]

its me meowing

[wise pasture]

you are in the cellar, silence

[safe lark]

i got promtoed to basement

during summer

[swift tree]

For legal reasons that's a "downstairs tenement"

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-jump-hug-play-cat-gif-21367941

[swift tree]

Added ground cinnamon to milo... suprisingly nice

[potent dagger]

Wdym you‘re not drowning in own sweat in actic

[potent dagger]

German basement?

[swift tree]

idk, just making jokes

[potent dagger]

Sadge

[safe lark]

zerk is fighting

[cyan fog]

damn i went and read that official discord with the guy yapping about DC

[safe lark]

for spot in top6

[cyan fog]

i now have brain damage

[covert remnant]

the fk is ags gonna do bruh😭

[potent dagger]

Be like me. With no brain you cant have brain dmg

[cyan fog]

i mean, if your first thought when experiencing some connection issues is to go into the general channel and start a "discussion" disguised as "reporting it" in the hopes that the game publisher will contact YOUR isp to resolve the issue you're beyond cooked

[slender sky]

"hello mister isp, this is ags, can you let little timmy play our game please"

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-and-max-sam-%26-max-throw-freelance-husbands-window-gif-12802967900849226978

[wintry depot]

C L A S S I C

[swift tree]

J e L L y

[wintry depot]

yes

[swift tree]

because jam don't roll like that

[potent dagger]

Need to ask if the wlan cable is connected correctly

[wintry depot]

my angy cat wants petting

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/amma-cat-ts-js-pmo-icl-pmo-cat-gif-9038313483801766180

[potent dagger]

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/spraying-disinfect-lilo-and-stitch-lilo-stitch-gif-16694753

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/stich-gif-1591458100909827176

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/h2di-stitch-go-to-bed-stitch-sleeping-gif-7279520516652637613

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-lilo-and-ohana-hi-gif-1390638291661412267

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-chocolate-milk-drinking-lilo-and-stitch-thirsty-gif-2120212659711169654

[worldly hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/run-kill-you-creepy-laugh-every-second-you-are-not-running-im-only-getting-closer-bird-gif-22163455

[swift tree]

bring it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp4_7T9J6Fg

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/stressed-out-gif-27246628

[worldly hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/birds-for-some-reason-avocado-animations-black-bird-blue-bird-birds-gif-6562453269858282214

[cyan fog]

"for some reason"

[cyan fog]

getting closer and closer

2nd lv9 SOON

[wintry depot]

give me

i need a 9 for my 10

[cinder mango]

https://klipy.com/gifs/just-my-luck-wheel--k01KS2F5C64V646W10Q0KDDRPS5

[wise pasture]

send gems

[worldly hawk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1196211170693099620/1339884690831573034/gems_pwease_kujirawr.gif

[cinder mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1196211170693099620/1339884690831573034/gems_pwease_kujirawr.gif

[wise pasture]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1196211170693099620/1339884690831573034/gems_pwease_kujirawr.gif

[undone summit]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1196211170693099620/1339884690831573034/gems_pwease_kujirawr.gif

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/hotline-miami-rat-spin-gif-26488967

[wintry depot]

no im poor

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[uncut dirge]

you know what i'm surprised by

that there's no special hell key power that lets you open multiple chests

[wintry depot]

dont give them ideas

[swift tree]

they already added in the form of buying extra keys

why let you open more than 1 chest? make them reroll again

[errant fable]

https://tenor.com/view/biboo-gem-alert-gif-7059976071685840336

[cyan fog]

saved

[errant fable]

weeb

[zenith canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/yelling-silly-lizard-roar-gif-835253383905903718

[errant fable]

https://tenor.com/view/koseki-bijou-koseki-bijou-古石ビジュー-hololive-gif-14296788095585464101

[cyan fog]

maybe i unsave tbh looking at this for too long might give me epilepsy

[zenith canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-home-lander-nao-no-gif-12606514540494555875

[errant fable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/914360637956702210/1077578823857618994/punch.gif

[cyan fog]

safe to say your "normal human" case has resulted in a guilty verdict and now you can't even appeal

[zenith canyon]

yoinked

[errant fable]

https://tenor.com/view/mustard-str8-lacking-kato-gif-9371728474647510227

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-ayo-wtf-bruh-moment-gif-21632234

[cyan fog]

[errant fable]

but im a normal human

[zenith canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922351008724701205/1496432338651975770/speeen.webp

[zenith canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-finger-gif-26415218

[errant fable]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-mark-zuckerberg-sips-water-drinking-water-gif-11840753

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/fist-fight-wtf-wtf-meme-wtf-gif-wtf-bro-gif-463286114819231833

[cyan fog]

id like to hit 2 out of the 9

that would be pog

[errant fable]

i like to drink water like any other human

[zenith canyon]

best i can do is 0

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/hlvrai-nothuman-im-not-human-benry-benry-im-not-human-gif-18521781

[cyan fog]

we hit 3

fucking poggers

[zenith canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-finger-gif-26415218

[cyan fog]

this one not looking so great tho

[wintry depot]

xdddd

[cyan fog]

ok not bad actually

we can maybe compete for top 10 like this

[zenith canyon]

need some help with that?

[wintry depot]

we doing wb then argos

[slender sky]

nah shes dumb let her suffer

[cyan fog]

if you need, i get off work in 2 hours

i got some cubes

youll probs still be here

[zenith canyon]

2h damn bruh thats ... not soon

[cyan fog]

she waited a total of 1h10 for 2 cubes so its not unrealistic

[wintry depot]

i wasnt really waiting

im chilling at home

[zenith canyon]

same, chilling with some lays, watching The Boys and waiting for wb in loa

[slender sky]

ex fkin cuse me

[zenith canyon]

no gem?

or....?

[slender sky]

it was her normal build

[zenith canyon]

ummmm

[slender sky]

i was wondering why im hitting like a wet fart

[worldly hawk]

[cinder mango]

shut up you bald

[undone summit]

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cinder mango]

who cares you

[worldly hawk]

i've seen 1710s with more cp

💀

[cinder mango]

what's up des

[swift tree]

yikes

[worldly hawk]

[cinder mango]

stfu

https://klipy.com/gifs/just-my-luck-wheel--k01KS2F5C64V646W10Q0KDDRPS5

[swift tree]

that must be like 0 ark grid, lvl 6 gems and no books

[worldly hawk]

[cinder mango]

act4 solo when

[worldly hawk]

try lvl 5 gems

[worldly hawk]

2027

[cinder mango]

misinfo

[swift tree]

WHAT

[worldly hawk]

idk i'm just joking

but seriously i've seen people run lvl 5s

for some reason i can't fathom

since lvl 6s are literally free

[swift tree]

but those 6s are bound...

[zenith canyon]

its FREEEEEE

unless he got T3 gems that wont give any cp

[swift tree]

but that's like.... 1 whole act 3 solo

[worldly hawk]

which takes like 6 mins

[cyan fog]

thats cope

[potent dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543205733555240990/1450667398263738528/OST__Merry_Argosmas___LOST_ARK_Official_Soundtrack_-_LOST_ARK_1080p_h264.gif

[worldly hawk]

if you just need the tokens just do it on a high char

all 3 gates die in 1-2 mins

[swift tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543205733555240990/1450667398263738528/OST__Merry_Argosmas___LOST_ARK_Official_Soundtrack_-_LOST_ARK_1080p_h264.gif

[worldly hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/t1-dumbo-drink-cry-wail-gif-4431501228822497355

[swift tree]

ok Act 3 solo + 1 gate of solo Aegir

[potent dagger]

[zenith canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/minion-minions-banana-schizo-boy-gif-23465032

https://tenor.com/view/clown-animation-film-movie-aaa-gif-16963162230690670172

[lilac frigate]

yay after 50% artisan

[neon cedar]

[wintry depot]

what a whale

imagine going +16 weapon

[zenith canyon]

imagine honing

[wise pasture]

yes, you all are whales

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/jason-waller-penny-waller-nutellaandgo-34-woodville-road-gif-489879988907490213

[worldly hawk]

my favorite activity

[wise pasture]

is rage

[zenith canyon]

ummmm did i just got ... scammed?

[mystic sphinx]

Its called refund

[sinful cove]

I assume its like 50-75% odds to get coins considering how the items in that box are usually weighted

i got 300 both weeks

[zenith canyon]

and there are lucksacks that gain books

[mystic sphinx]

I got legendary cards once

[zenith canyon]

frick cards

[mystic sphinx]

I need

[cyan fog]

they put kfc in the loot table for merchants but still hardly any cards to buy

https://tenor.com/view/t1-dumbo-drink-cry-wail-gif-4431501228822497355

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/t1-dumbo-drink-cry-wail-gif-4431501228822497355

[fleet plover]

🇼 ancient 🇱 one

[vagrant cradle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ponkehq-crypto-solana-ponke-KC5QMkeyKmyTcDDjDy

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mom-mama-mother-lick-gif-13059778370190649168

[covert remnant]

i saw something questionable

[wintry depot]

my face?

[mystic sphinx]

holy

[zenith canyon]

skill > gear

[covert remnant]

sureeeeeeee

[wintry depot]

i mean we know there was pilots in top 10

its not new

[wise pasture]

only like 60% of them

[zenith canyon]

i mean that still confirms that if u have hands ur bozo trash char can still clear shit

[wintry depot]

ok but that was a pilot most likely xD

even in the top 3 there was pilots

[wise pasture]

better to ask who wasnt there

[slow saddle]

ban logins from diff IPs unless it becomes whitelisted or something

[zenith canyon]

well

[slow saddle]

or mac address i mean*

[zenith canyon]

that wont

work

[wintry depot]

but i like when darek log my account to cut asstrogems... :(

[zenith canyon]

that would be kinda against eu shit no?

[slow saddle]

it always is

the entire reason we have dont have restrictions on all of this is because of privacy laws and all that since GDPR got implemented

[wise pasture]

that and it would cost extra to watch over it

[wintry depot]

i would do it for free

[wise pasture]

I would prefer accounts tied to your personal id

[slow saddle]

same

but boohoo my iNforMatIoN

[zenith canyon]

not like google knows u better than u

[cyan fog]

if its bad now i dread to think what it was like when they could do whatever the fuck they wanted with your information

[wise pasture]

not like they have to share the info, just confirm that it is you

[cinder mango]

https://tenor.com/view/yuumi-cat-lick-monitor-gif-24703683

[cyan fog]

i dont need you to share your info with me, just your gems pls

[wise pasture]

[cyan fog]

[wise pasture]

got them in last 2 weeks

[slender sky]

[wintry depot]

@cyan fog are you there for act 4

you wanted 1 or multiple?

[slender sky]

fml its gonna pity isnt it

[cyan fog]

i cant but i did with fayten yday ty for remembering

[wintry depot]

ok

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/rush-b-rush-cs2-counterstrike-batomae-gif-11434256435554622315

[wintry depot]

fuck you then

[cyan fog]

i will have more characters at raid level soon

[wintry depot]

no ty

fuck you

[sharp rock]

[cyan fog]

you dont have enough level 10s to pay for that sry

[sharp rock]

my RAM when i start lost ark

https://klipy.com/gifs/game-game-over-1--k01KS83B8AV6CERMJQ5JQWD25ZB

[cyan fog]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-grey-cat-post-this-qSMWnbdcCNbErrwbDS

get owned theoz

[sharp rock]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bite-cute-cat-blanket-cuddle-chomp-gif-17584220538603912367

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-gif-8239001140115414404

[faint grove]

wonder when ill drop my next sidereal energy, been a while

[zenith canyon]

need a stick of 8gb?

[potent dagger]

me who never droped one ever yet

[sharp rock]

16 would help alot tbh xD

[potent dagger]

12

8+4?

[cyan fog]

serwis pc kurwa mać

[potent dagger]

4+4+4?

[zenith canyon]

i have spare 8gb ddr4 now

[faint grove]

zero? kinda weird

[cyan fog]

ddr4 kekw

probs still 150 euro ngl

[potent dagger]

some ppl are born lucky

[sharp rock]

ddr4 uhh, that wouldnt fit

[zenith canyon]

unless u want to pay 500$ for 32gb of ddr5

[faint grove]

thought most people got 2-3 by now