lost-ark-discussions

[sand marsh]

progging a raid is getting faster & faster as time goes on because smilegate just rehases the same kind of patterns and mechs

[cyan fog]

hell yeah its boring

[slow saddle]

speed limits in more open areas are 70-90mph

and nascar is a meme for a certain demographic of people

NA car culture is around tuners, imports, and all that for people who race/do track/etc

massive business depending on the state

[cyan fog]

i like the quarter mile redneck races where they bring absolute fucking spaceships

[light vigil]

finally

1730 key

that shit never drops special

[cyan fog]

but they dont flourish in the real pedigree races like gt3 gt500 lmp1/2 and f1

hardly any american drivers with any significant success

least cadillac/GM is trying to break into f1 so big ups to them

[slender sky]

https://tenor.com/view/hoppers-beaver-smile-big-smile-smiling-gif-15105579941310615529

[light vigil]

x2

[fresh flint]

[slender sky]

the same 4 pets have been working for me nonstop for months

animal cruelty at its finest

how many fkin boosters did you have

that you can have 1,4mil energy

xdd

ewwww shitgame

[cyan fog]

Soclose

[fresh flint]

99. And I have 99 more.

[slender sky]

wtf

have u not used them since 2 years

[fresh flint]

No

The box gives us 10

And ive just been saving them

[slender sky]

oh

i keep buying the stronghold outfit

om

one day they will bring stronghold pants

[fresh flint]

bruh lmao

[slender sky]

and ill put my entire roster in the outfit

[fresh flint]

IM SO MAD. WHY IS THERE NO PANTS MAN

UGH

[slender sky]

yea

esp the chest + hat is pretty good

better than most buyable skins

lmao

[fresh flint]

what the fuck

[bleak zinc]

[cinder mango]

potionwithpenis

[slender sky]

all my pets are leggy tho

[fresh flint]

i just upgraded 8

[slender sky]

damn u slacker

[fresh flint]

you should see my training

lol

[slender sky]

ewwwwwwwww

[fresh flint]

[bleak zinc]

[slender sky]

but pls tell me u at least got the dps thingies

at leggy

[fresh flint]

[slender sky]

brooooooooo

[fresh flint]

this is the only one i managed

[slender sky]

u stinky

[light vigil]

there are only like 7 relevant buffs

[fathom cloak]

[light vigil]

just get them lege and move on

[fresh flint]

I forget which trainer to click

So i click random ones

[bleak zinc]

let @swift magnet click for you, you will have all 100% in a few days

[cinder mango]

https://tenor.com/view/shibal-cho-sang-woo-squid-game-season-1-player-218-park-hae-soo-gif-10504733185054983384

[fresh flint]

Like... idk what the fuck gives what

[slow saddle]

pet ranch will be all the combat stuff

farm will be all the things you get from farming

[fresh flint]

Oh i guess this one would be good to have

[slow saddle]

dock is all the crafting stuff

yeh

you ideally want to pull for additional damage, your main stat, and a few of the species damage

hp/phys def/magical def are all important too

[fresh flint]

pog ok

well, we'll see in 12 hours

[slow saddle]

basically just send out ships for the seals

and set your pets up once a day to get something

if you really want to sink gold, you can, you'll generally get what you need faster/sooner/legendary stuff

since its always purple or yellow

[fresh flint]

o shit...might need to farm to this...

nvm i need 25 and thats not happening

[slow saddle]

oh boy, the bussers and piloters

[slender sky]

[slow saddle]

its because they have to do all the mechs and stuff without having 8 people from the usual dps

thats pmuch why the original 'dps' check was ensuring you can get to x900 in time

and so on

some stuff is prob bugged but who knows

[cyan fog]

theyre causing minor inconvenience for busser to almost kill people who thought this was a nice final extention to get the kill

love to see it

[tulip charm]

the fuck? there is a buss ad at the end of the vid? filth

[slow saddle]

they should add a ton more to just destroy all forms of ability to even bus the raid

[tulip charm]

ez unsub

[fresh flint]

LMAO the way he moves in desert is hilarious

[sand marsh]

the most logical explanation as to why TFM is different is that they have an AI agent pushes out unapproved updates

not even joking

[cyan fog]

but you cant destroy buser without just killing everyone else

which personally i find reprehensible

[fresh flint]

an ai what

[cyan fog]

now youre telling me i have to do all this dumb shit

[sand marsh]

TFM feels like AI slop at the moment

[cyan fog]

only for someone to die at star

kekw

[sand marsh]

its massively different for no apparent reason

AI fucked up gg

[slow saddle]

naw, theres no reason why raids shouldnt be designed in a way where you aim to have as much people alive for the majority of the raid

Make all that other stuff happen if there is less than 'x' players alive OR not reaching certain dps checks

[cyan fog]

i cope for an announcement or atleast something to say yeah this is on purpose or nah we fix this

[slow saddle]

the only other logical explaination is that they had to throw in some patched up version of the raid to extend it from the original base build

[sand marsh]

if they do this, raids get more difficult. the largest sentiment in tier 3 was that there were too many mechanics that wiped the raid, all because the 1% of people that bus.

and ATK made a great video about that too

[slow saddle]

yeah do that for nightmare and partially hard modes, leave NM as is

[long laurel]

i rather dont have the title than pay for a bus

[slow saddle]

and make NMs easy enough where people dont even have to think about bussing

all in all, its complete garbage

theres no defense to saying bussing is a healthy thing for the game

[sand marsh]

if raids are designed with bussing in mind, it's a wrong philsophy. imo. not even speaking from bias, but objectively, it shouldn't be apart of there design formula whatsoever

[tulip charm]

reactivating the race was a mistake, if people tried to put it off on the last day and expect a clear 4 hours before the event ends, they are prob not clearing it anyways, might be harsh but its truth

and they can't fix the bugs either

[slow saddle]

it is designed with bussing in mind knowing people can be dead or carried through a raid tho

[tulip charm]

might cause even more bugs

[sand marsh]

this is kind of why WoW raids were cancer for a long ass time. they are crafted with DBM addon in mind

thus, you create a raid with a ton of eye cancer

and artificial difficulty

[slow saddle]

honestly, put all that aside

remove mailing, free trade, and not allowing to bid 5-10% higher than auction items

call it a day

[sand marsh]

yeah i know it is. i just think its a wrong philosophy.

[slow saddle]

clamp down the marketplace farther while they're at it

then raid designs dont need to be changed

you can still help people through raids

ezpz

[sand marsh]

think asmon said it best when the topic was brought up when he played. "so what if a small minority of people bus, the game shouldn't be catered around those people" or something like that.

[slow saddle]

its not a 'so what' situation when bussing becomes so prominent in our game
titles/achievements become worthless
the price of items get heavily driven up by a saturation of wealth going to a group of players that partake in activities that yield minimum 2x+ the weekly gold earnings

[tulip charm]

fk asmon, his game takes is trash and shit, and the only games he can play is indie games, or games with a total time of less than 10 hours at this point

[slow saddle]

and the same type of mentality goes rampant for cheaters who RMT, pilot, etc

and yeah, asmon is generally stupid af

[sand marsh]

well the reality is that it isn't that prominent. not anymore at least.

majority of bussers have quite the game

[slow saddle]

is that was bussers tell themselves?

they quit so it no longer becomes an issue

[sand marsh]

there's driver shortage all the time haha

[slow saddle]

all that does is leave the saturation to the remaining drivers

which also gives them more leverage to pick and choose prices

supply and demand

101

[sand marsh]

if you look at the current steam numbers, less than 1% of that are people bussing

[long laurel]

they need to remove the 1 time raid bs per week

[sand marsh]

it's such a small niche group

[slow saddle]

so we should also ignore RMTers and exploiters and so on because its such a small niche group!

noted

theres so much fallacy in that logic

theres a multitude of things that are not good for the game

no matter how small or large, it should be addressed

this isnt a 'pick the lesser of 2 evils' situation

[sand marsh]

RMT is a stance AGS has taken a stance on. same with KR. KR nor NA have explicitly stated that bussing is against ToS and will ban it.

RMT is easy to combat, but bussing is something that's basically impossible to combat unless you remove the economy all together

and if that happens, people will go as far as asking for real currency to clear the raid (people already to this with TFM to a small extent)

[long laurel]

who cares about bussing

its not that bad

[slow saddle]

i listed a few options on how to clamp down on it earlier so it is what it is

its also not like they'll ever detect logins and so on either for piloting, but we realistically know it can be tracked

[long laurel]

let me do a raid i already cleared again for fun

[sand marsh]

the issue with what you suggested is that you are punishing everyone due to a small subset of players. things like the trust system is one example of how detrimental these designs have been.

[tulip charm]

not sure if i believe, i think its way higher, and who even buys busses? people legit buy amoche and kaz normal busses when as long as you have a pulse you can clear the raid? and what happens if they buy one bus? do they buy the same buss every year till 2035 and just never learn the raid?

i thought bussers just buss themselves on their 45th alt roster nowadays

[sand marsh]

placing even more restrictions in place will frustrate people.

[slow saddle]

give me an example of what would be the detrimental portion

[sand marsh]

i still remember the outrage of the trust system, removing gold from rapport, masterpiece collection, etc.

[slow saddle]

the trust system barely has any outrage

[sand marsh]

well yeah we dont have new players anymore. but you can search this discord far and wide. thousands upon thousands of messages asking why they dont have trusted status after having many hours

[long laurel]

now there is no outrage with it

[sand marsh]

it's probably the worse designed restriction ever implemented in a video game

there's no clear path to get it

[slow saddle]

its come up significantly less in recent times

And there are reasons behind it

All of that stemmed because of how RMTing and other aspects created issues for it

[sand marsh]

and this is all because AGS was too lazy to moderate bots

whats funny is the trust system did basically nothing to those bots

[slow saddle]

its all part of their ability to detect for fraud as well

[sand marsh]

yeah its bound to come up less with the playerbase shrinking further and further

but months ago, years ago, it was a very frequent topic

[tulip charm]

i am pretty sure if they did some islands, learned some mechs, did some solo raids, the trust system auto enabled itself

[sand marsh]

you'd think so, but it's very unstable and wishy washy

[tulip charm]

pretty sure the only people that came in here complain about trust system was either bots or alt roster #9 players

[sand marsh]

it took me over a week to get trusted status on my EU project i was working on

[slow saddle]

kinda hard to tell between the the legit players and the alt roster ones LMAO

[sand marsh]

some people it took months

others never got it and just quit

etc

yeah that argument could be made but would also just be speculation, hard to tell what someones true intentions are behind a keyboard haha

[long laurel]

i spend money on my alt because i was hoping i would get it faster

[sand marsh]

yeah which also doesn't work. it used too tho haha

it used to be "spend money in the game and we'll give it to you"

otherwise "get it when u get it"

[slow saddle]

i just find it hard to believe its arbitrary when i and all my friends/community never experienced those issues

and most of my early friends who played LA never spent a dime

they just played normally

[sand marsh]

trust system was implemented uhhh

[slow saddle]

even their site covered things like why it was in place

[sand marsh]

halfway through t3 i think

cant exactly recall

[slow saddle]

yeah

[long laurel]

it took like 3-4 weeks to get it on my alt

[slow saddle]

and most of us played actively in late t3

[sand marsh]

but there's so many reddit threads, and messages in many discords regarding the inconsistency of it

hard to say that all of them are just rice farmers

would be a big accusation if u ask me

[burnt tree]

"many discords"

[sand marsh]

yeah mokoko learning discords, this discord

[burnt tree]

Most of them are probably rice farmers anyway

[sand marsh]

offical etc lol

[burnt tree]

They like being vocal as "simple players"

[long laurel]

gz

[sand marsh]

grats

[slow saddle]

3 holy

gz

[long laurel]

u can mail it ty

[burnt tree]

Bruhhh

Yeah send it to me

[light vigil]

im poor af

just honed 1740

to be able to buy all

[sand marsh]

hmmn now i wanna try

[tulip charm]

wtf....gratz

[sand marsh]

i havent bought from it yet

[light vigil]

@sand marsh from a mathmatical standpoint its pure $ gained

obv if you get super unlucky its fucked but

[long laurel]

i got like 5 keen blunt from it

[light vigil]

10% per pouch to get SELECTOR*

[tulip charm]

would be a very big accusation, and yea ill still say it

[sand marsh]

true but they also said the thaemine extreme relic was not weighted, and every book was a massive loss for me

so we'll see lol

[light vigil]

ive opened over 20 randos so far, and a lot of people in my guild have too

it feels normal

[slow saddle]

i won some and lost some

just how it is

[light vigil]

not rigged rng

small sample size but still

[sand marsh]

yeah i just dont like to state those accusations without concrete proof personally.

[sand marsh]

pray i win, about to log in

[light vigil]

good chance u get 1 selector

in which case uve made ur money back

gl m8

and even if u dont hit selector you've still got 8 randos

overall its worth doing

[swift tree]

what's the bet LOA On June 11th/12th

[sand marsh]

likely

[slow saddle]

but you stated the same about the minority of what 'happens' for bussing and all that

[sand marsh]

from my recollection every summer loaon was early june

[slow saddle]

where'd you get the 1% number from

[swift tree]

they like to alternate update weeks too

[sand marsh]

im in all the bussing discords, there's not that many drivers

a few hundred at most on NA

[swift tree]

CN/Global/KR in sequence usually

[sand marsh]

and half of them are pretty inactive

[tulip charm]

i got one

[sand marsh]

there's very few people who bus literally everything. some do like 1 a week or something

[light vigil]

8 seperate 10% chances, most people are likely to 🙂

surprised books havent dropped even lower tbh

[long laurel]

we all holding

[light vigil]

man when am I gonna learn how to spell separate properly

[long laurel]

after the event you sell

[sand marsh]

u asshole LOL

[tulip charm]

it actually did drop, mega dropped day 1

but it slowly went back up abit

[sand marsh]

yep thats my luck

[tulip charm]

i am guessing next reset day 1 its gonna drop again

[tulip charm]

not over

[swift tree]

x3 Grudge gogogo

[tulip charm]

the books from here is tradable too

[light vigil]

ive still got some screencaps from like 20 mins after serve went up

ambush was down to like 35k

grudge around 110-120k

[sand marsh]

meh

[light vigil]

the busser luck ☠️

[tulip charm]

small win still

[slow saddle]

how much is adr + expert together

[sand marsh]

114k + 29k

so yea small win

[slow saddle]

so you made profit in the end + partially paid for next week

[sand marsh]

this guy gets 3 selectors tho smh.....

https://tenor.com/view/chud-fat-fuckin-chud-im-such-a-fat-fuckin-chuuuuud-im-such-a-fat-fuckin-chud-gif-4100828415608082204

[light vigil]

dopesnt matter that much

the point being that shit is worth doing

every week

100%

[sand marsh]

yeah fair

[long laurel]

i should buy on my alt

🤔

[sand marsh]

hot take, but if its that good it should be permanent

books have no reason being that expensive

[light vigil]

2nd one ive gotten since frog hit >.>

[sand marsh]

...........

lol this guy

[light vigil]

woulda been worth 100k more last week

z

its lost ark

there's always something to complain about

🙂

[long laurel]

true

[light vigil]

lucky that I hit the super rare drop? nah
upset that I didn't hit it when it was worth nearly double ☑️

[sand marsh]

i have a feeling that adv honing level 3/4 will be nerfed on loaon

no reason for honing rest to be cheaper than level 3/4 adv honing

[long laurel]

who cares shit used to be 500k

now its 100k

[light vigil]

19/20 is so insanely expensive

I'd rather that than AH nerf

they already nerfed AH

with scrolls available now

[sand marsh]

true but its such a old system, needs a farther nerf imo

[fathom cloak]

https://klipy.com/gifs/this-is-why-we-dont-have--k01KRTQVRCYBTN3BJPB6F5VPAHZ

[light vigil]

not sure they'd nerf it so soon

most people trying to push alts from 1710---> 1730 for the gems and stuff

its prime swiping time

for them to farm some $

[slender sky]

eu so far this week alone had 1300 busses and its still only sunday and its only 1 discord and only counts the reported ones

[light vigil]

chest secret room in hourglass is just an entire level 7 gem + a buttload of jelly beans and silver

[long laurel]

is that why the lobby is so empty ?

[sand marsh]

yea that sounds about right. but that doesn't equate to 1300 drivers.

[tulip charm]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[sand marsh]

EU bussing scene is way bigger than NA

[slender sky]

what lobby is so empty

[sand marsh]

this is NA lmao

not even 1k lobbies

not even 500

[long laurel]

all of em

[sand marsh]

so dead on NA

[slender sky]

which game are you playing?

[sand marsh]

i should reroll to EU

[slender sky]

i dont have a problem finding lobbies for anything

[sand marsh]

but too expensive

[slow saddle]

still carries my point that the less saturation of drivers there are, the more control there is for costs to meet the supply

[viscid sand]

NA players perfectly content just ratting it up

[slow saddle]

its a lose-lose in any either way

[sand marsh]

which is ironic considering EU bus prices are more expensive than NA
when EU has more drivers

[slow saddle]

so NA is just stupid per usual

[sand marsh]

buyers ultimately control the price and bussers will undercut

[long laurel]

im not saying i have problems finding lobbies but they feel empty

[fathom cloak]

bus enjoyers

[sand marsh]

cant sell mordum at 30k? there will be someone who will go lower and fill that demand

[long laurel]

maybe its the only way with rats

[sand marsh]

EU economy in itself is higher than NA tho

in terms of overall prices

so it makes sense for there bus prices

to be higher as well

[slow saddle]

you also said theres more demand than there are bus drivers

[long laurel]

depends

[slow saddle]

[tulip charm]

i control the buss prices

0

[sand marsh]

correct, but buyers on NA are extremely picky

they'll just straight up refuse if its not a certain price

[slow saddle]

crazy how 10m gold in just serka alone got offloaded to bussers assuming its just 1 passenger

totally fine game

[tulip charm]

what is this, this is the amount of busses sold?

[sand marsh]

10mil for a serca carry? what lol

or am i reading that wrong

[slow saddle]

you are reading it wrong

[sand marsh]

oh

[sand marsh]

yes

[slow saddle]

you take 82 lobbies and multiply it by the avg cost, to see how much gold went from buyers to the seller (the busser)

[sand marsh]

total amount of NA bus lobbies

oh are u referring to the screenshot above?

[slow saddle]

then we wonder why prices are high for things whenever theres an open market

[long laurel]

people pay avg 126k for serca hm ?

[sand marsh]

yes but the driver does not get 126k

it's a 3man carry

so it's split 3 ways

[slow saddle]

we know that

it still pumps 'x' amount into a coalition of people who are taking gold

[long laurel]

why would someone pay so much

[fathom cloak]

serca nm is 45k still waiting for it to get cheaper

[viscid sand]

Fomo reduces the size of one's frontal lobe

[sand marsh]

thats true. i wont disagree with that

same can be said for alt rosters as well. pumping gold in that shouldn't exist

[slow saddle]

of course but lets not deflect, i already said this isnt a lesser of 2 evils situation

all of that shit has to be resolved

and we also know alt rosters are more prominent to get bussed

than main rosters

[sand marsh]

if i had to take a good guess, if you are basing the evil upon "how much gold is pumped in". alt rosters is by far worse

[slow saddle]

we can blame the suppliers just as much as the ones who buy into the system

[sand marsh]

but i can see an ethical reason why you think bussing is worse

both are fair perspectives

[slow saddle]

its why my stance doesnt change

i hate alt rosters as much as i hate bussing

[long laurel]

what should i do i can only play 6 characters

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tulip charm]

i hope they buy that serka buss every week for the entirety of next year

[slow saddle]

extreme gold generation causes inflation and both sides are responsible

[sand marsh]

if you ask me, there's a reason why people make alt rosters and raid beyond the main 6.

[tulip charm]

then have 0 gold to hone, so they gotta buy buss for the next raid too, right till the point they quit

[sand marsh]

and the reason is very simple

[slow saddle]

then saturation of gold impacts the prices of items for the average player, making things more expensive

its a full circle of how all of this works

[sand marsh]

they don't feel like they are getting enough gold. that's the simpliest reason

[slow saddle]

it stems from 'somewhere' in the end

[light vigil]

who wants to be limited to 6 gold earners when bussing and RMT are rampant

[slow saddle]

no one will 'ever' feel they are getting enough gold until they are 100% completed with a system

its all relative to each other

[sand marsh]

true. but when we had simple systems like clown and kayangel where u click a button and ur done forever, people didn't feel as strained lol

[tulip charm]

i kinda don't get the mentality, maybe 2 years ago raids without revives was punishing and difficult, but whats even the point of buying a buss for this year or most of last year?

all raids are braindead

[sand marsh]

we are in a time where smilegate needs to design a over complicated, massively timegated and expensive system to exploit people

[slow saddle]

if prices were cheaper on items that werent driven up by bussers/rmters/alt rosters generating gold causing that, then there would be more fulfillment each week for the avg player paying for something and making progress

That still wouldnt change that someone is always gonna be unsatisfied because they didnt complete a system

[tulip charm]

you literally only need a pulse, the normal variants of the raid you don't even need ark grid

why even buy a buss?

[sand marsh]

in the mid t3 days it was way more chill

the power upgrade for clown and kayangel was a click of a button then ur done

bam thats ur gold sink

now u gotta click a button millions of times

[viscid sand]

Raid anxiety to perform in groups, hearing horror stories for playing badly in pugs, the "no time to prog" group (and staying that way even when they do have time).

[sand marsh]

over the course of a year or longer

[viscid sand]

[sand marsh]

just to complete ark grid lol

ridiculous

[swift tree]

HOLY SHIT THEY GAVE AVELE VO IN AEGIR

[tulip charm]

shore, they buy a bus for the first week, then what? what happens after that?

[swift tree]

[tulip charm]

they gonna buy a buss every week till they quit?

[slow saddle]

HUH

[swift tree]

She just yelled out DRAT! The radios not working! (the line that was silent for 2 years)

[viscid sand]

It just repeats until they get off their asses, which they won't feel compelled to if the pressure isnt there to begin with

[sand marsh]

are u sure it was always silent?

[swift tree]

yes

[sand marsh]

i dont exactly remember

[slow saddle]

once people get forced into something, either theyll quit or do something about it

[fathom cloak]

never did a single armoche kaz or serca, i make profit in gold on every lobby i join and thats good enough for me

[slow saddle]

we'd hope people do something about it

[sand marsh]

maybe im thinking of a different voice line

[slow saddle]

some people are built in such a way where the second they need to put in any effort, they quit

[swift tree]

https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/1hxac2i/if_anyone_knows_whats_up_with_en_voices/

[slow saddle]

either lazy or no self confidence

[swift tree]

"and since Aegir release they've never fixed Avele's EN voices, not counting other voicelines randomly not working (hello Balthor or Ren)"

[sand marsh]

oh, well that confirms it

lol

[viscid sand]

ye, but to them, taking the bus is the path of least resistance, and they just decide to forego the fun of the raid. It is what it is.

[swift tree]

it's been fixed either this update or last lol

[sand marsh]

does it sound like AI or no

just curious

[swift tree]

no

[sand marsh]

interesting

maybe it was always there?

and no one bothered until now?

lol

[slow saddle]

they finally used the money from all the new packs they sold to pay someone to do some voice lines

[swift tree]

you'd be surprised how common that is

[slow saddle]

[swift tree]

the file to exist but never bothered to fix

[safe lark]

https://tenor.com/view/helicopter-cat-helicopter-cat-heliblo-gif-15685012791631344513

[sand marsh]

a missing voice-over pipeline in something that should of been there 2 years ago is a bit odd

but yea ig its common

not knowledgable on that

[viscid sand]

Audiofile_aegir_avele3.mp3 the whole time it was supposed to be audiofile_aegir_avele2.mp3

[swift tree]

LOTRO had ambient music for Trollshaws (area around Rivendell) not loop when tracks would finish for seven years

[sand marsh]

oh jesus thats crazy

[swift tree]

similar scenario where their publisher started giving no shits and only let devs work on "whats new"

[sand marsh]

with how much lower the playercount has gotten in KR/NA do y'all think smilegate is gonna hit us with something unexpected

or will it be the same ol repeated slop

[swift tree]

they've already announced a direction change

[slow saddle]

Lost Ark 3D edition

[swift tree]

yeah this had 0 voice line, now does

[slow saddle]

a whole new adventure

2027 the adventure continues!

[long laurel]

lost ark 2

[slow saddle]

port our data to a new engine

[sand marsh]

true, but remember when gold river said "its not that simple to reduce chaos dungeon to 1 time a day" "our idea is to make it more fun and engaging"

[slow saddle]

rebrand the game, push out heavy marketing

[sand marsh]

yeah look where that got us lol

[stuck vortex]

Lost ark 2 the search for more RnG

[sand marsh]

id totally be down for lost ark 2 lol

[long laurel]

i mean this game is fucked how the gearing is

[slow saddle]

im fine as long as we get to continue

[long laurel]

nothing rly to grind

[slow saddle]

aint no one gonna want to start a new game from scratch

[wind dagger]

what a liar he was

[slow saddle]

rather go play another MMO at that point or something else

[sand marsh]

im more of the camp that id prefer a hard reset with lost ark 2.

[long laurel]

im foraging for hours because i have nothing to do

[sand cloud]

feels like there's been a lot of weird voice stuff since serca update
old lines in aegir/mordum that weren't acted now are, but some voice lines in raids like act 4/kazeros randomly don't play now

[light vigil]

more accounts

[sand marsh]

a perputual evergreen system to continue on going with the insane mountain that new players have to climb, ehhh.

lost ark 2 hard reset would be W

completely diff approach

im all for that

[viscid sand]

The thing is the people who are asking for grind have a lot of time on their hands, but the usual complaints are usually because the other side who don't have time on their hands

[stuck vortex]

Fresh start where everyone is at 0 would be some fresh air

[swift tree]

yeah they've put out feelers for a handful of possible directions:

• mercenaries in raids (npc team members)
• non-linear questing/horizontal content (exploration not driectly locked behind raid gear/linear honing).
• focus on mix of dungeons and linear content outside of raiding.

[slow saddle]

and hows that game going to get funded

[stuck vortex]

I mean it would probably pump the numbers

[swift tree]

mobile and merger with Smilegate parent company

[sand marsh]

dont make it f2p. f2p games are f2p so they have an excuse to create disgusting monetization.

[swift tree]

oh... and singleplayer RPG project

[sand marsh]

thats one idea lol

[long laurel]

its just the game has nothing else to do beside raids you just spam them the first couple days and you done for the week

[sand cloud]

when they add things to do other than raids, people complain it's "more hw"

[tulip charm]

[long laurel]

i would love if there was something else to do in that time

[fathom cloak]

the amount of bitching and crying we would have to endure if we were forced to fresh start oh no

[tulip charm]

and that itself is not a bad thing either

[swift tree]

yeah they realised that argument was kinda bs

[sand marsh]

what i think you forget as well, is whales love to whale in a new game. to get the advantage at the very start.

at least the whales ive met across the years

[slow saddle]

have you finished all the horizontal stuff?

[viscid sand]

You can thank the KR overlords who rejected any idea of non-raids that SG thought of for the past few years

[swift tree]

or at least, it comes across as HW if it's not engaging/meaningful

[long laurel]

missing like 3

[swift tree]

instea of just doing unas x1000

[sand cloud]

most people who wish they had something to do don't even have legendary purify

and are sitting on full life energy bars

[swift tree]

in their defence, adventure islands are setup in one of the most shit ways rn

[viscid sand]

And are probably asking for Argos event tokens for dailies so that they can ignore the event

[sand marsh]

i think they want something engaging.. picking flowers or chopping down wood isnt exactly engaging to a lot of people haha

[viscid sand]

[sand cloud]

purify is from ignea tokens

[slow saddle]

its why theres a diff between saying theres nothing to do
vs
theres nothing that "I" particularly want to do that I find enjoyable

[sand marsh]

but i see ur point

[stuck vortex]

Like at the start of la it was cool cause people would actually do ship activity

[swift tree]

Smilegate also said they're redoing Procyon's Compass / Adventure Islands / Sailing Co-op to be less time-based fomo

[long laurel]

the event is kinda mid tbh

its brain dead

[tulip charm]

they always gotta complain about something in this game, you can see it in official and here.
"they are giving us free log rewards! but its not what i want! i am quitting the game!!"
"no fever time login rewards??? i am quitting the game!"
"new powercreep system ark grid came out, i am quitting the game!!"

i swear to fking god people on reddit is still complaining about elixirs and trans, right now

[stuck vortex]

And remember when the dungeon had mm or pf in them

[viscid sand]

It is, but it's something else to do and you can basically put minimum effort and still clear the shop

[sand cloud]

more interesting combat content would be nice, yeah... paradise seemed like a neat experiment but it's extremely dull, doing elysian is just pianoing your hotkeys, there is zero fail state

[burnt tree]

What about people who say a game sucks instead of them saying it simply isn't for them ong

[sand marsh]

its the honeymoon phase of an MMO. It's new. people will try everything. but because the gaming culture is largely meta-gaming, and the culture of the game is raid-focused, that stuff quickly stopped becoming common

[stuck vortex]

Sadly true

[slow saddle]

that would require taking responsibility and self reflecting without deflecting wym

thats too much for the kids that play

[burnt tree]

True true its eassier to say the game is trash for not being what i wanted it to be

[sand marsh]

yeah id love more extreme raids. or a weekly-rotation of raids where u fight a diff boss each week or something

there's so much potential

[sand cloud]

that doesn't solve the "game is only raids" problem though...

[light vigil]

best we can do is axe the NA staff

[long laurel]

its not trash but the game could be 5x better

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sand marsh]

it doesn't but i think both you and i know that will never change. at least they can decrease the raid-fatique by introducing a different spice each week

[slow saddle]

another thing to consider is where the line is drawn

Youll have people that say the game is raids only, but when presented with other things to do, they refuse to partake in it

Its not like the game didnt 'have' certain things in it

[stuck vortex]

That saying we still want raids. There has to be something else to do and not horizontal bs

[light vigil]

when is strike raid coming back, I enjoyed that

[sand cloud]

hopefully never, but hopefully new boss

[stuck vortex]

lol

[slow saddle]

like i dont care for horizontal stuff

but im not going to say the game is raids only and theres nothing to do

[sand marsh]

in my personal opinion, those other things were boring. the horizontal in this game is pretty bad. id prefer to farm mounts in WoW than farm masterpieces or something in lost ark lol

[vast star]

I tried ru server i went through all the progression theres no honing only acrasium, then new honing system introduce and we visit the yorn city, new abyss raid with 8 man and u gotta bid those medals to enhance your weapon or armour so u gotta outbid them in the auction, then season 2 finally reached to us, we have the feiton and the newly sea dungeon, the Alaric sanctuary, not long after punika came, i quitted ru server, when lost ark came to na i restarted my whole journey and venture again but this time round, even further, there's legion raid commanders, theres many other lores and other bosses like kayangel, kazeros commanders. But the fun went down hill from season 2 lost ark, because its no longer the same at last time, now is just new content, new raid, new vertical progression, anyways tldr i still love lost ark i can see myself playing for another 5 years.

[fathom cloak]

holy

[sand cloud]

even when they add battle content... people are already upset at the christmas argos they all asked for
and we have it for 2 months

[long laurel]

end game is raid only there is nothing to do

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sand cloud]

polarizing

[long laurel]

when you new to the game there is alot

[sand marsh]

what? people are upset at argos? why?

[slow saddle]

we can argue and say how developers dont do the best job to polish systems, which leads to turning people away over, which leads to content dying -> eventually removed

That would be better to say

[stuck vortex]

They are upset cause it not in Christmas

[slow saddle]

that doesnt mean they didnt try or offer up systems

[sand cloud]

knockoff spam, more homework

[stuck vortex]

lol like make it make sense

[swift tree]

"what if added a single player exploration area that is non-linear that can be completed in your preferred order, with 20 islands, multiple continents and a Assassins Creed: Odyssey style bounty-hunter progression tree?"

[vast star]

Just play the game on wednesday to friday, then chill on Sunday to Tuesday

[sand marsh]

well i can agree that not much uniqueness was put into it. the more homework feeling stems from raid-fatique, from the core philsophy of 6 gold earners. the 'more homework' feeling will never go away until that philosophy changes

[slow saddle]

5 minutes a day for 3 times a week, god its so much fricken homework

They give us something new to do and every new thing is called homework

Then we complain when they dont give us something new to do

Game dead, bipolar as shit community

[sand cloud]

don't forget we already know the new serca thing coming... a list of targets we have to hunt down or something

[viscid sand]

Modern gaming is about wasting your time without feeling like you wasted your time.

[tulip charm]

because its been almost a week now, people still don't know after 3 center jumping justguards you have to go to the front to co op counter him
or after the first argos lawnmower you have to to the top at 12o clock to group stagger him
there is still bozos walking around picking up coins for 99% of the fight and never attacking the boss
instant 160 turn around donkey kicks with 0 tells

[swift tree]

its not a serca thing, its a "we're basically adding an expansion" thing

[sand marsh]

i think there's just two diff groups of people. i guess some are hypocritical but id like to believe it's just two diff groups

[slow saddle]

i agree theres 2 groups of people

I just think people are stupid, cant properly lay down their thoughts, and are bipolar naturally

[sand cloud]

sorry I meant Sacria

[swift tree]

lol

and fun-fact it starts at the item-level that the tutorial now ends at

[tulip charm]

this is the first big mmo ive ever played, and ive never seen a player community like this, i don't think bipolar is the right word for this, its something else, idk how to term it

[slow saddle]

yeah i just use it because its the best word i can come up with, but it isnt exactly it either

only on LA have I experienced this

and i played BDO for 10 year now and RS for 20

[tulip charm]

what is term for advanced brainrot, like extreme advanced brainrot, is there a term for that?

[swift tree]

MMOs are like this

[sand marsh]

yea fair point. but i absolutely sympathize with the 'more homework' feeling. when the game came out, i immediately realized how flawed the 6 gold earning philosophy was. i just stuck with it 4 years later because i enjoy the raids/combat. but the fatique can hit hard for a lot of people.

[sand cloud]

anytime they announce something that isn't a raid people immediately go "is this required so I can do the raids"

[light vigil]

only so much happiness to be had when the game is designed around getting you to swipe $$$

[slow saddle]

dw, we got nothing to do

[sand cloud]

there's multiple KR mmos with different playstyles that are not RAID RAID RAID

[sand marsh]

killing the same exact boss 6 times a week for months, possibly a year+ because it's in the 3 gold-earning cycle.. is just not the best system

thats my personal opinion.

[sand cloud]

they are just struggling to grasp anything else

[stuck vortex]

So did they give you re named cube 1740 content

[viscid sand]

The best part is you don't even have to

[stuck vortex]

[slow saddle]

progression and comparison to others is what leads to this

You arent forced into swiping, its someone's own personal reasons and mentality that leads them to it

theres nothing that is stopping someone from enjoying the horizontal content nor raiding

[swift tree]

doesnt help that AGS specifically targeted ex-LoL players so this game is treated more like a match-making party game than an RPG

[slow saddle]

if people want to chase a certain standard, then yes, theyll feel unhappy when they 'arent there'

[light vigil]

ever since release, the way raiding is designed, its all about incentivizing people to get strong so they can show off, or carry their friends, or trade runs with their friends

[sand marsh]

i can agree the game is not designed around swiping. but it is designed in a way where u want to skull fuck ur keyboard if your not grandfathered into the game LOL

[light vigil]

even now the rich constantly get richer

[slow saddle]

just like IRL

[light vigil]

not saying u need to swipe to get there

[slow saddle]

[viscid sand]

That's a lot of multiplayer games. They just have a different model for it lul

[swift tree]

yeah the Avele stuff doesnt sound like AI

[sand marsh]

im not sure what other kind of combat they could introduce besides raiding though, without making it feel like more homework --- unless they remove the 6 gold earning philosophy.

if u introduce other kind of combat related activies, people will get burned out even more

shits gotta change man

[swift tree]

6-gold earner philosophy is what is changing

[long laurel]

game is cooked

[swift tree]

or what needs to

[viscid sand]

The pull of multiplayer games for the regular pugs hasn't been the "work together to accomplish a common goal" kind of deal other than when shit is new

[swift tree]

Smilegate seems to be baby-stepping it with new stuff

[sand cloud]

we don't know that though

[stuck vortex]

It’s either with time or swipe I mean time is alot easier but then they said f you to t 3 hell and took a 3 steps back

[slow saddle]

itll always feel like more homework no matter what gets added

The only way around this is if you do something that gives you the same equivalence in gains that isnt raiding

for the devs, that option is sold for money

[sand marsh]

sure but lets be honest. killing kazeros 6 times a week, for months, over a year, is draining

and lazy design

[sand cloud]

6 gold earner limit has been a hot topic for a long time and a single change to this can massively shift the playerbase, so they have been dangerously careful with touching it

[slow saddle]

id rather have less chars to raid with but do more raids on those characters

[vast star]

Cant wait to do cathedral and skip kaz

[swift tree]

it's why most MMOs have teams work of different content like areas / crafting / exploration based updates in between

[long laurel]

give something else to make gold instead of raiding 🤔 or logging

[sand marsh]

yea i think a lot of people want more stuff to do on there main, and get away from the alt-centered structure the game has

[swift tree]

2 raids a year but 2-3 small updates with other content

[sand marsh]

and i HOPE smilegate goes in that direction

[stuck vortex]

Once every thing goes character bound maybe less alt

[sand marsh]

it'd be a massive fucking W

[swift tree]

a one-time island that has the shelf-life of milk isnt cutting it

[tulip charm]

your gonna skip kaz instead of amoche after church?

[stuck vortex]

[light vigil]

so true

[sand cloud]

they don't want to reduce the amount of characters you play because the main way they make money is people making more characters, this is a common philsophy between all KR MMOs

whether it's buying cosmetics or paying to gear up your new characters, every KR MMO does this

and adding more classes is also a main way they get people to make more of them

[slow saddle]

yet ironically, competitive players wont

i was telling some folks that even with cathedral release, im now doing 6 extra raids a week to still do act 4 for cores (on top of getting more inanna value)

[light vigil]

ew

[sand marsh]

yeah this is the scary reality.. i just hope smilegate someday - clutches up and shifts from that ideology

[vast star]

I been doing alot of raids on my main 6 because of that innana blessing, i think im burning myself out

Its alot of mats but at the same time is tiring

[swift tree]

Problem with things feeling like “homework” is when the game is made to feed on your fomo

[slow saddle]

i agree with that up to the extent of what a typical whale would invest into for a char to take it miles ahead

The counter point would be new chars and the dolphins getting small things like outfits

even in BDO, they changed their alt model

[sand marsh]

oh right. BDO is a good point to bring up

i completely forgot about that

[slow saddle]

people were more fond of gearing their main char insanely high and giving us a tagging system to play another alt

[swift tree]

even ESO did

[slow saddle]

its also a korean MMO but doesnt have an alt system like LA does

on BDO, your gear is SHARED

[sand marsh]

imagine we had the tagging system in lost ark

[tulip charm]

interesting, that means i stop doing chaos on the first for full rested

[slow saddle]

you can freely pick up a new class anytime you want

you only swipe for things like inventory space, weight, and an outfit

[sand marsh]

holy shit the game would be insane LOL

[tulip charm]

we are getting 1750 chaos dungeon, memo confirmed it

[slow saddle]

and they still make a shit ton of money because people are more inclined to just swipe up a char where they know they get more value

[light vigil]

1750 soon? 😭

[sand marsh]

krons xdd

[long laurel]

soon 2 months

[swift tree]

ESO added set/style/gear books you can reconstruct dropped gear from, apply drops cosmetically and then added account-wide achievements

[sand marsh]

honestly i would swipe if i saw the value. and i think a lot more people would too

[sand cloud]

Maplestory had legion system which rewards you with making one of every the 50+ classes, and now they recently added champion system which has you focus on gearing up 6 characters, each one getting stronger powers up all of them

Dungeon Fighter has no "reward limit" based on number of characters for most content, and you can play each one every week on each of your characters, spreading account wide gold, materials, and other rewards, massively accelerating progression

Ragnarok has character based instance lockouts with low drop chances in the instances for rare items and materials you have to funnel from running the instances for money / equipment / enchants / etc

Lineage is just a GVG game so I can't speak to that

every game wants you to play a billion alts

[sand marsh]

i thought about swiping for more astrogems.. but the value isnt there for me because i fucking hate the system

[slow saddle]

if they actually shift things to be more roster wide and enjoy our mains more, idc how they do it, but find solutions to allow for this

people would be happier

[swift tree]

not things that would necessarily work for LOA but follows your argument

[sand cloud]

lost ark is polarizing both because 6 is a small limit but also because 6 is a large limit for the amount of time raids take

[tulip charm]

soon, in little less than a month i think, same time as church raid release

[slow saddle]

imagine if your astrogems were shared among all your chars, but your ark grid cores is something you need to earn per char

[long laurel]

[stuck vortex]

Lineage auto move and attack

[sand marsh]

then i would swipe a fuck ton LOL

but smilegate isnt that smart

[stuck vortex]

[slow saddle]

everyone would, exactly my point

[sand marsh]

to want my poor money

[swift tree]

It also being a number needing to be met weekly or you’re “missing out and falling behind”

[sand marsh]

yo on that topic

[slow saddle]

i just find it poor to say every game is an alt based game

its a shit system and no one likes it, esp when you have individualized progression

its a shit system, thats all it is

[sand marsh]

imagine on LOAON, cut astrogems shared across all characters, astrogem supply increased, reduced rng.

thoughts?!

[sand cloud]

that's their market for making the dollaroos

[swift tree]

even OSRS lol

[sand marsh]

coping... i think

[sand cloud]

(for korean mmos)

[fathom cloak]

share the shit you are smoking

[tulip charm]

actually a really good suggestion

[sand marsh]

i can share what im drinking LOL

[slow saddle]

every traditional adventure based RPG/MMO was always your main character being your central focus for everything

Thats entirely how the RP-hero adventure always is

[sand marsh]

i aint smoking haha

[tulip charm]

this makes alot of sense actually....

[fathom cloak]

good enough

[sand marsh]

jack daniels

[swift tree]

Get out of Icy’s desk grog

[sand marsh]

[sand cloud]

When KR MMO is failing, KR MMO looks at other KR MMOs that are doing better to figure out what to do better, it's their market

When lost ark was insanely popular every other KR MMO started adding things that lost ark had, but now the opposite

[fathom cloak]

[sand marsh]

bro if cut astrogems were shared across all characters i'd be so fucking happy

i never even thought of that idea

[slow saddle]

they're missing on a gold mine because of how stingy they are as developers

I saw the same shit with BDO devs

When they changed their models and saw more money being made, increased playercounts and so on, they were like 'oh'

its a greedy af mentality

[sand marsh]

almost like HAPPIER PLAYERBASE = LARGER PROFITS?

insane concept?!

[slow saddle]

you can still monetize a game while still making players happy

its crazyyyy

[long laurel]

its a kr mmo they all greedy

[slow saddle]

i agree

but theres level to greed

[sand marsh]

well all are greedy but

[slow saddle]

LOL

[sand marsh]

some are smart about there greed

and some are not

[sand cloud]

if devs listened to every change players asked for, game would fall apart quite fast

that's a reality of game design

[swift tree]

It’s literally the shit businessmen learned in the 1800s that if you had a cheaper but well-made supply of purchasing options you didn’t have to bait the wealthy to buy your product.

[sand marsh]

i agree. that goes for every game tho tbh

but some changes are logical

some are just senseless

[slow saddle]

thats kinda common sense tho

its a moot point

[sand cloud]

yeah but it's always "but my ideas are better than the other people"

[sand marsh]

thats true, depending on the idea xdd

[swift tree]

There is also the fallacy of “I know better than the player community”

[tulip charm]

its a little late for that, they burned that bridge in year 1 already, instead of doing the right thing for long term, they chose to do nothing or do almost nothing while being as limpdicked as possible

[slow saddle]

theres way too many logical changes that could happen that anyone who says otherwise, is a straight masochist or sadist upon others

[sand marsh]

i think we can all agree that for example, increasing astrogem supply is a net positive for the game.

[long laurel]

i mean i feel like lost ark is cooked idk how you would fix it

[sand marsh]

no one would disagree with this

unless u just hate yourself

[sand cloud]

net positive for players, but they will sell less of them by doing that

[sand marsh]

push out more gooner skins

[slow saddle]

im not convinced people enjoy gearing up 6 chars + every new class they want to play

[sand marsh]

problem solved

[swift tree]

KR would whine because it’d lower amounts they could sell

[long laurel]

just play the same class

less gearing

[sand cloud]

valkyrie became the most popular class

a lot of people already had 6 in their roster, so what did they do

[swift tree]

they would if it wasn’t time-gated and a crapshoot to earn materials for tbh

[sand marsh]

well valkyrie being popular was obvious

female paladin fantasy

lot of people love that lol

even i swiped for it

[sand cloud]

it means people had 6 but pushed out one of their 6 to play it, and paid money for skins + gear + honing + whatever (at least, non f2p)

[sand marsh]

and i dont swipe often

[sand cloud]

or they added it on past 6

[swift tree]

first support that was an adult, human, woman

[slow saddle]

what people 'do' isnt a straight correlation that 'they enjoy it'

if you were given the option to freely swap in another alt, you wouldnt want to do it?

[tulip charm]

stoopz: just RELEASE EVERYTHING BRO!!! release both a4 and kaz with a tfm at the EXACT SAME FKING TIME! on thanksgiving holidays, then send out NOTHING FOR THE NEXT 6MONTHS!!! its what everybody wants bro! stoopz said so!!!

[slow saddle]

people wait forever for their ideal class and theme to release

[tulip charm]

30% of the players quit becuase of this shit

[slow saddle]

ofc theyll swap

by any means

it doesnt mean its a 'good system'

[sand marsh]

i swiped so hard on valkyrie to make it my main.

[sand cloud]

that's the crux, balancing between "profit of game" + "balance of game" + "what would just make players happy"

[sand marsh]

then i ended up not liking it

[swift tree]

Player Audience is also a mix of schizophrenic whiners when lumped as a whole

[sand cloud]

you can do a lot of things that would immediately make people happy but decrease profits

[swift tree]

(why the player hexad exists)

[slow saddle]

you're just spelling out what we already know and been saying

[sand marsh]

The most sensible decision is to forego shorterm profit for happier playerbase, which results in larger long-term profits

[swift tree]

Back to pp paladin

[sand marsh]

I don't have a business degree

this is just common sense no?

[sand cloud]

I am but you also said "if there is a way to free swap in an alt, why wouldn't you" (obvious thing)
of course people would, but that's why it doesn't exist, cause profit

[slow saddle]

i think its a poor take from devs about their profits decreasing when they can still generate tons of revenue and increase the individual 'quantity' from more people engaging in things they like

[fathom cloak]

enjoyed valk in my main 6 for about 5 good minutes then got bored and dumped her for something else again

[slow saddle]

BDO did this though and had no issues

[sand cloud]

the legendary BDO

completely different game and ecosystem

[sand marsh]

ecoystem different, true.

[slow saddle]

they eventually sold reroll coupons for class to class for $100 a pop

[sand marsh]

it isn't 1:1 i would say

[slow saddle]

and they eventually removed it and allowed people to tag characters at a tax cost

[sand cloud]

and you can't say "they had no issues" because you have no idea of their profits

[slow saddle]

which people would have to swipe or grind more

which still gave them more profits in the end

[long laurel]

isnt bdo more for pvp enjoyers ?

[slow saddle]

but allowed people to do it

[swift tree]

Problem is the industry runs on a quarter/semi-annual basis that you have to justify to both investors and executives. You can make changes but have to justify them, they have to pass multiple supervisors and (especially price changes) usually get set by someone not even remotely familiar with the actual moment-to-moment gameplay.

[sand cloud]

if I paid $100 and swapped my 1740 bard for a 1740 scouter, that's a LOT of money they are losing on me honing up a scouter from zero

[slow saddle]

the point is, there isnt an excuse for 'not allowing something to happen'

[sand cloud]

that's not $100 for a lot of people

[sand marsh]

ehh its shifting from that i think

[slow saddle]

it shifted years ago from that

[sand marsh]

This is true. There's counter arguements to class changing

could result in support shortage

massively

[long laurel]

does bdo have raids now ?

[slow saddle]

they have weekly boss rushes + group ones + a new tower defence they added 2 weeks ago

they always had dungeons for years now

[sand marsh]

a fuckin tower defense?

sounds cool

[slow saddle]

its fun af

[sand cloud]

lost ark was gonna add tower defense, but they canceled it cause KR outraged

literally

[sand marsh]

LOL

[long laurel]

yeah

[sand marsh]

typical KR outage

outrage

always them dam koreans

HAHA

[stuck vortex]

I tried to install bdo one time it took a whole day or something than I uninstall it lol

[sand marsh]

[slow saddle]

i enjoyed even simple things on LA like those spire things we had with the floors

[swift tree]

they were also going to add LoL minigame

[sand cloud]

goldriver had the trailer of a ton of minigames, moba mode, tower defense, all kinds of stuff
ALL canceled

[sand marsh]

i unironically liked the Tower

T1/T2

first time tho

[sand cloud]

cause KR said "why are you wasting your time making this instead of raid"

[swift tree]

That’s less to do with cost but the technical issues

[sand cloud]

and KR is not kind with their words

[sand marsh]

oh yeah i remember the fucking moba mode.....

[swift tree]

Korean player audience are their own worst enemies

[sand marsh]

it looked cool

[stuck vortex]

Music instruments lol that we didn’t get lol

[sand cloud]

all they know is "next raid isn't out yet, still waiting"
lost ark releases trailer
"wtf it's not a raid, where is the raid, been waiting months, wtf u doing"

[sand marsh]

Honestly, I do think the korean audience perception is shifting a bit isn't it? It took them years to finally realize how ass transcedence and elixirs were.

We could be seeing a culture shift

coping

[swift tree]

We didn’t get a bunch of shit because AGS couldn’t be fucked hosting the database space and/or the license for any 3rd party tools

[light vigil]

game has problems, but is fun to play imo

I hope no EoS anytime soon

of course I also hope things get better

[stuck vortex]

lol it only took forever to realize that

[sand marsh]

yea we are all just day dreaming of ways to make the game more enjoyable.

[swift tree]

Smilegate already doing that shift on their own

[sand cloud]

yes and no, it would be a technical nightmare and would require a ton of dev work and QA, but they also have no incentive to add it (for now)

[sand marsh]

id love to see more things to do

[long laurel]

at the end kr dosnt care about us

[sand marsh]

you say this, but i think thats a massive cope

[swift tree]

not mutually exclusive tbh

[sand marsh]

sure the director said they are taking a more casual approach

but if they dont shift from the raid ideology

its ultimately the same slop...

[swift tree]

It was a more involved speech than when they caved to adding solo raids

[burnt tree]

man i hope they stop listening to raid only mfrs

[sand marsh]

yeah same

[burnt tree]

[sand cloud]

I dunno why solo raids got added so late anyways, every other KR MMO has solo raids

only the tip top content in each game is party only

[burnt tree]

Better late than never, unfortunately too late for Global tho

[swift tree]

Stubborn attitudes at Smilegate

[sand marsh]

same reason moba mode wasn't added. korean audience

is my best guess

[stuck vortex]

A4 kaz solo soon frfr

[sand marsh]

i can see counter arguments to solo raids

"just make ur own lobby"

[burnt tree]

Yeah they were like if we want to play a MOBA we will play League

[sand marsh]

"stop crying"

[swift tree]

They’ve already been said it will be both instead of just Act 4

[burnt tree]

Which is fair but they straight up don't try anymore

[sand cloud]

I personally never run solo raids but it doesn't harm me that they are there, it adds more content for people, and decreases friction on people trying to progress

it's not killing the game balance or something

I know it takes work though

[burnt tree]

It allows people who can't raid to raid because of the dumb pf reqs

[swift tree]

in reality mad they miss out of bus passengers

[sand marsh]

yeah its an ego thing from smilegate or korean audience.

one or the other

[swift tree]

KR obsessed with gold

[sand marsh]

in terms of why it took so long

[sand marsh]

LOL this would be fucking funny

[slow saddle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/complex-both-360-with-speedy-morman-yo-gotti-YebCIK19XH8DvK0nep

[burnt tree]

Yeah cause MMOs over there are an investment not games

They wanna sell their shit

[stuck vortex]

They should not butcher solo raids and actually put in mechanics that will help when people go back to normal raids so people aren’t completely clueless when doing them

[sand marsh]

while i do like bussing, i'd prefer if passengers were taken away and did their own shit. it'd give me an excuse to stop.

my self control is small

[swift tree]

with how KR makes everything about gold, like having an audience of gamer-supp fueled kobolds taught to slur

[burnt tree]

Serca is a nice step up for difficulties. NM is easy, HM adds some extra things to some patterns but still easy enough, NMR expands on them

[sand marsh]

there's a reason why they nerfed solo raids brotha.

[sand cloud]

everybody approaches the game differently and there needs to be at least some options other than "get in party finder and enter raid"

[burnt tree]

Make your own lobby is also so stupid lmao

[swift tree]

tbh they only butchered the ones that were pre-1640

[stuck vortex]

Thaemine should have stayed hard

[burnt tree]

Excellent solution when no one joins

[sand marsh]

it's the same logic of "i cant afford a home"
"just go build one"

[stuck vortex]

Though

[sand marsh]

[stuck vortex]

They took out inverted controls

[burnt tree]

So you either buy busses, somehow make friends(doesn't apply to us we know people), wait 1 year for solo raid or quit

And if quit why come back

Only to wait another year for the next

[sand cloud]

I'm at complete end game now but not gonna lie, when the game released brel for our region, and I saw it was 100% mandatory to clear to progress your character (unlock new gear honing) I was surprised, both because of the 8 player requirement + complexity/difficulty of the raid

[slow saddle]

MAKING FRIENDS ON AN MMO?!

[sand marsh]

oh don't forget to wait months for the next ultra deluxe express event because progressing outside of one is fucking awful

[slow saddle]

[sand marsh]

living on the express event philosophy is so fucking stupid

[long laurel]

i have 3 people on my fl and idk who they are

[burnt tree]

Yep it's a fk all experience

[fathom cloak]

true and real i buy busses till solo raids are out then i just do that real gaming

[swift tree]

Meabwhile: “Here’s the 30% of the building cost, we’ll add more road/water/power capacity and make it incentivised to build more than buy”

bUt I wAnT that house KR streamer XAZC has.

[sand marsh]

LOL

[burnt tree]

Also the alts having bound mats and such came so late

[sand cloud]

I also never interact with busses... but I know people who do them every week (people that buy, people that sell)

[burnt tree]

People are basically indoctrinated into having 6+ alts

[sand marsh]

would of been an insane W change mid t3

[long laurel]

i wish it was roster bound

i want to hone

[sand marsh]

that would further cultivate alt-centered gameplay

[long laurel]

but not waste all my gold

[sand marsh]

which a lot of people id hope, want to get away from

[sand cloud]

when I got kaz top 10 title I got so many whispers from random bus teams asking if I want to join them to run X for people

[stuck vortex]

lol

[slow saddle]

[swift tree]

So much shit added this year should have been w/ Tier 4 launch.

You know why we got it now? Guess who just got Tier 4?
CN

[sand marsh]

and what did u say

[burnt tree]

Its so bad SG admitted despite how OP new classes release people won't make them because of the costs still

[stuck vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-hello-i-like-money-interview-spongebob-squarepants-gif-10015058

[burnt tree]

And the whole idea of a new class is to get people to swipe

[long laurel]

i do my dailys and i can do maybe 1 weapon tap

[sand cloud]

no ty I run with my friends + pugs every week

not gonna ditch my friends just to make a little extra gold

[sand marsh]

oh, i figured the response would of been a bit more toxic

[tulip charm]

[sand marsh]

thats a fine response

[swift tree]

maybe at that point re-assess how fucking absurd it is to make new classes

[sand cloud]

"we got 1 slot for kaz bus, you make X gold, wanna join"

[stuck vortex]

Male mage surely will bring people back

[sand marsh]

good thing you have friends. keep em. all my friends in this game for years have all been bussers so i kinda got dragged into it

[burnt tree]

Legit I've only done two NM Serca runs on my GK and bought one bus for HM on my main but now i refuse to buy another cause i have to log out for a few minites, then relog. But the raid is easy, however i couldn't prog cause i was moving the same week

Its so miserable

😭

Same situation as Akkan

[sand marsh]

were there not prog lobbies week 2 sathona?

[burnt tree]

I had PC issues

[sand marsh]

ohhh

[burnt tree]

Unless you want me to raid on mobile xD

[sand marsh]

steamdeck no diff

u got this

[burnt tree]

Sadly i spent 200 dollars on a 900 dollar outfit on WWM

[sand cloud]

best way to progress in-game if you can't learn/join raids is to find a guild/group of friends in game to join with

I was stuck in solo PF hell during thaemine era but found people to play with and rest is history

[burnt tree]

Instead of a Steam deck

[sand cloud]

even if you end up pugging some people having a core group of people to do raids with is big

[sand marsh]

people say this, but finding those people is very hard. someone to go out of your way to teach ya or something

[sand cloud]

can't join raid cause I don't have the title, can't get the title cause I can't join the raid

[burnt tree]

Its very hard to do this nowadays

Guilds aren't as active as they used to be either

[sand cloud]

options are definitely not growing on trees

[burnt tree]

And many people have their circle of friends

[sand cloud]

personally I made a post in a random LFG discord and got a whisper cause they needed a support, and it went from there

[sand marsh]

yeah the declining playerbase doesn't help with that

[burnt tree]

Things that are considered normal in a standard MMO are sadly difficult here

[slow saddle]

i hate the guild system

i wasnt used to it when i started playing again

[sand cloud]

and a lot of "friend groups" that eventually get geared fall to the temptation of... oh but we can sell a bus and make extra money!!!

[slow saddle]

theres nothing that incentivises playing and doing things together

[burnt tree]

Yep

[slow saddle]

guild discord dead

no in game chat used

[sand marsh]

if the friends i met weren't bussers id probably be in a static of friends or something by now.

[burnt tree]

Well they removed all guild content

[sand marsh]

and making friends is quite difficult

most ppl are silent