lost-ark-discussions

[cinder bridge]

Strawman point

[swift tree]

Last Director livestream: "We realise our raid-focused buisness model is strangling love for the game and killed the old whimsy and romance for adventure the game used to have. We plan to introduce a more diverse array of content over the Summer to bring new life into the game"

[swift tree]

do you know what a strawman is?

[wide stag]

waiting for something better to come along and finish it off.. but sadly west only produces garbage mmos that turn out to be scams or whatever and apparently east only produces gachas and p2w nonsense.

no wonder the most popualr mmo is osrs everything else is to horrible

[sinful cove]

Didn't I just say it's combat is unique? Or maybe I didn't send that message but you can play this game f2p. You're just playing catch up for a few tiers and save. Which is boring but then you're literally able to play comfortably forever (till t5 prob)

[noble cipher]

Im not complaining about the toxicity, but the design of the game is enforcing toxicity, even if you dont want to be toxic. A single mistakes turns into restarts, failing to press a G can lead to a restart, if players get tilted in G2 7 others are jailed aswell, as the ego couldnt be tamed

[swift tree]

which has some of the biggest variety of gameplay

[sand marsh]

But the exact same thing you said earlier of "asking for sushi in a Italian restaurant" was literally Solo Raids. Solo raids had no reason to exist because when people brought it up, they were shut down with "just make your own lobby" "pay money to catch up", "grind harder", etc.
Then Solo raids came out. The game can evolve & hopefully it will.

[swift tree]

which was, ironically, a strawman

[cinder bridge]

Yes exactly what some are now trying to force into the discussion with saying numbers are dwindling in kr too because that's a baseline for every mmo in a every country, nothing to do with it, it's the general shift in gaming

MMOs have been dieing Globaly for the past 10 years

[sinful cove]

I played it at launch. Enjoyed the actual game but after a few months pvp node wars werent it for me

[potent dagger]

Thats same for every game involving other people.
Moba > lose lane > rage quit + insult people
Shooter > lose 1v1 > insult

[slow saddle]

I feel like they can add so much stuff to LA to diversify and make things better, but it’s inevitable as a genre that’s it’ll always just thin out

[cinder bridge]

Anyways work break is over have fun going in circles with the same argument if you don't enjoy the game simply leave it's that easy no one's holding you at gunpoint but yourself

[steep mortar]

No i mean like another Mmo because you said there are a lot of other good ones and those two points are my main criteria

[swift tree]

You say that...

[sand marsh]

yea they could, but hey it's a korean game. you can't let it evolve.

[slow saddle]

I don’t play LA for all the other stuff an MMO has

I can just….play those other games

[swift tree]

looks back at the gun Deathboi is holding at me

[slow saddle]

Idk

[swift tree]

"Eat poop or leave, dont you DARE tell me to eat more fiber!"

[slow saddle]

I like raiding on LA and I don’t see them doing it terribly

[swift tree]

legit same mentality as "Love it or leave it" when it comes to patriotism

[tulip charm]

this update is tiny

patch size i mean

thought it was gonna be much bigger

[sinful cove]

Yeah sadly nothing like it. The first time I quit lost ark and went to wow I couldn't do it. There was no power sound/visual to the skills

[slow saddle]

There was that convo earlier

[swift tree]

Jokes on you, I'm australian, our version of "Cinnamon Toast Crunch" is a literal fiber brick

[sand marsh]

God forbid you add other forms of progression outside raiding. The elitist come out and say "get that new player friendly stuff out of here, this is a hardcore game and my ego won't allow me to let new players enjoy it" type shit

[cinder bridge]

That's basically Always the point, if you consider lost ark poop and only complain about it, no one is forcing you to eat it's, there is a whole buffet out there

If I don't like the taste of my Vietnamese restaurants food I'm gonna try Italian or Chinese or whatever, the world is vast it's only you whos binding yourself to one thing

Free will exist

[swift tree]

wait

I'm saying that to Terry

[slow saddle]

I think everyone here has taken sides on 2 extremes

[sand marsh]

The italian/chinese your referring too was Solo Raids brother. And then they added it. Your logic falls apart.

[slow saddle]

[swift tree]

when you get free bread every fortnight that's wholegrain

[noble cipher]

especcially for 7 hours downtime

[sinful cove]

While it would be nice, I am happy they focus and pump out so much raid content. Not that it's exciting to most I started working on "all there is"

[swift tree]

My brother in allah that is LITERALLY THE PLOT OF LOST ARK

[cinder bridge]

Solo raids did more harm than good to the game

[sinful cove]

Shit lie naruni racing was cute for gvg but would I do that every day just for fun? Hell no

[sand marsh]

Lol your trolling

[slow saddle]

You can eat a restaurant, like some of the stuff but still go elsewhere for other dishes. You may not like everything on the menu and they may not even serve the things you like.

They can add new dishes over time, and you’ll like that place even more but you’ll still go to other places

Atm, it sounds like people think everything is shit at the restaurant but keep eating it, while others complain about the food, other ppl are telling them to leave the place then if u don’t like it

[sand marsh]

I will remove myself from this conversation now. This guy has room temp IQ

[swift tree]

Okay, well that's objectively stupid and wrong

[cinder bridge]

Have you tried running Aegir behe or echidna in groups recently? Have fun no one knows shit because all people do on that lvl is.solo raids

[sand marsh]

[steep mortar]

Like im willing to try something Else but i guess im too Limited. Tap target is boring af and full 3d action combat is too much for me simce i have the spacial awareness of a potato. (Me playing games like elden ring involves a lot of falling or running into walls , though i do have fun)

[potent dagger]

L take

[slow saddle]

Naw that’s wild

Solo raids are great

[swift tree]

too much panadol would give them the spectrum strength needed to understand this stuff

[noble cipher]

can you explain why?

[potent dagger]

Behe has no solo

[swift tree]

Dammit now I need to make a shit edit of "Brand Power: Helping you Hit Better!"

[sand marsh]

BRO SOLO RAIDS ARE THE REASON WHY AEGIR LOBBIES ARE SO BAD. THEY NEED TO PLAY BETTER

type shit

[cinder bridge]

True that and it's carryable by 1 person

[slow saddle]

But they need to do a better job at teaching raids and eventually promoting group content.

It should also never surpass any form of group progression

It needs fine tuning but it’s an amazing addition to the game

[sinful cove]

I just raid an aegir today was fine? All 1500cp besides me. Only mech ihave trouble with wipes is brel colors in G2 that usually causes a few wipes

[swift tree]

tbh the older tier 3 solos would have been better if they added some more guardrails for the mechs instead of just stripping them, ehh... still better than just being fucked

[potent dagger]

Mechs are to dumbed down imo. Need better game communication that teaches / shows mech.

[noble cipher]

group conent need sto be more accessible. Normal Modes need to be a absolute no brainer,

[swift tree]

low-key teaching patterns is one hell of a step in the front-door

[sand marsh]

would be nice if you can hop into it with a friend or two with increased HP/DMG based upon amount of people joining. it gets lonely when it's just you.

[sinful cove]

A lot will hate on it but ESO had nice combat for an mmo. More actiony with dodge rolling but it wasn't like elden ring hard. But yeah it's very 3d

[swift tree]

Merc mode when

[charred void]

never

[potent dagger]

Like you get some random pings and thats it? No explanation or anything.
Go ask google for guide

[swift tree]

skills were watered down to be console friendly

[slow saddle]

Solo raids by some means does degrade the quality of players but there are many avenues of simplifying normal group raids and letting hard and nightmare be left alone

It shouldn’t be the standard or norm, but rather a method to help people learn the game OR progress slowly OR just offer a gateway to save time

[potent dagger]

I would play eso but i hate to pay monthly

[swift tree]

Patterns, not mechanics, the way solo teaches mechanics are ass, but you get some leeway to kite the boss around and get some basic pattern practice

[sand marsh]

i mean without solo raids you'd be buying busses or getting denied from party finder. just let people play the game

[cinder bridge]

Basically it's just an easy way out. The whole game is about group raiding. New players don't experience that. There are no groups for lower level raids because most ppl and alt enjoyers do solo raids.
People don't learn any of the important mechs on solo raids meaning if they do want to try out group raiding they go into it unprepared are not knowing or doing mechs and basically jail the whole party before solo raids getting low level raid partys was no issue and very easy. Now it's completely dead content and unplayable content

If people would still need to do these raids in group content they would learn and play together.

[slow saddle]

It IS healthy and we need more of it, with better step ups into group raiding, without making group raiding a walk in the park

[cinder bridge]

It's always a nightmare doing Aegir brel and echidna on my main

[potent dagger]

There were barely any lobbys for low tier raids to begin with. With solo they can just go

[potent dagger]

Bother why are you even doing these raidsv

[slow saddle]

I’ve been doing these raids each week with pugs and statistically for me, there’s only 1 person every few runs that is clueless

[potent dagger]

They drop nothing of value

[sinful cove]

Yeah. Can obviously do free but like I don't have the willpower to play without all the perks. I'm a sucker 🙁

[inland needle]

Also if you do old raids in solo then join Act4 or Kazzy nm group you don’t know how to do dmg since solo you doesn’t need any dmg at all

[sand marsh]

"If people would still need to do these raids in group content they would learn and play together."

Wrong. Before solo raids many people were just buying busses and asking to play along because they kept getting denied. Or had raid anxiety and didn't want to be the cause of a wipe. Then there's the situation where your spending days upon days progging it which is stressful for a lot of people.

[cinder bridge]

If you have to ask that question you don't need to be part of this convo

[potent dagger]

Yea the sub feels mandatory

[potent dagger]

[slow saddle]

I still think normal mode should be babied down a bit more to close the gap to solo mode for teaching

[sand marsh]

And who are you to say "the game is about group raiding". Smilegate decides what the game is about. Not you.

[sinful cove]

While I agree, No game really does a great job of teaching you. They try with npcs talking midfight but raids are suppose to be problem solved in all games

[sand marsh]

The elitism is real with this one.

[sinful cove]

Issue is lost ark doesn't have a "dungeon journal"

[slow saddle]

I agree with this 100% but let’s be real too

[sinful cove]

To read bosses abilites before hand

[slow saddle]

This generation is stupid as shit

[swift tree]

tbh most old school mmos didnt either, a good many of them were player mods

[slow saddle]

Traditional MMO pve and raid gamers aren’t the same anymore

[cinder bridge]

And it has been about group raiding since late T2 and all of T3 so practically 6 years now in kr I believe

[sinful cove]

Yeah. I mean even I'm dumb as hell and not great at problem solving at least I admit to it and just have fun lmao

[slow saddle]

You need a shit ton more handholding in this day and age

[sinful cove]

Not try and blame others idk

[sand marsh]

And smilegate changed that. Get with the times. 👍

[swift tree]

What happens when you show LoL rats an MMORPG

[cinder bridge]

Where?

[sand marsh]

WoW has gotten better at this to be honest.

[cinder bridge]

It's still about group content

[swift tree]

well, with its budget you'd hope it would

[sand marsh]

The solo raids that you claim is a boogieman and is the greatest evil of the game.

[sinful cove]

Yeah raids "should be" done blind it's a fun experience but if there's a guide out there of course I'm gonna read it before hand :x

[slow saddle]

Which is fine, but it doesn’t need to be the ‘only’ thing

[cinder bridge]

I don't get your point at all solo content is not accessible for anything endgame related so where is your point

[swift tree]

It's just to give players the choice tbh

almost like when you remove choice, players dislike not having it

[inland needle]

Then solo raids should teach player how to play and not „oh press 1 skill every minute and you clear it easy“

[slow saddle]

You can have solo be the introduction of half to 75% an option in the game and reserve the peak late endgame for groups

[sand marsh]

Doesn't have to be end-game related. Giving people the ability to at least install the game and play it is what matters. That's why solo raids are so great.

[swift tree]

? you doing them overlevelled?

[sand marsh]

Imagine you install lost ark today and try to get into a lobby. You can't & won't.

Solo Raids is a band-aid solution to that issue.

[sinful cove]

I mean. I progged up to p3 od mythic crown this tier like 3 weeks ago but yeah had to quit. Game is the same as it's been for the most part

[cinder bridge]

Solo raids are a adjustment for new players they are helpful to them no question but diminish their game experiance and those of others, to the point some are even able to do endgame raids but decide not to until it becomes solo accessible

[charred void]

imagine you install lost ark with 3 friends and just hop on hell clown for fun

[cinder bridge]

Lmao

[inland needle]

I did when Mordum Solo came out with my non gold 1680 slayer only event stuff and was done g3 before 2nd stagebreak

[potent dagger]

Why is that a problem

[steep mortar]

Yes im outing myself as old, but i remember playing games like soul reaver. They showed you a key mechanic once and then you were by yourself. Not saying thats good for Mmos but imagine trying that these days

[swift tree]

So basically "These players are choosing not to do group versions, like I had do, how dare they!"

Boomer ass take

[sand marsh]

He doesn't understand how bad it actually is for a new player.

I'm glad I experimented with the zero to hero thing. Really made me realize how awful it is.

[slow saddle]

I see nothing wrong with this..?

[sand marsh]

I spent hours getting denied LOL

[potent dagger]

Wasnt that like a zombie like dude in a cape?

[swift tree]

"Raiding only counts if you did it like me, climbing uphill both ways, against party finder and combat power flexing"

[inland needle]

People think you are an rice farm Alt Account I guess

[cinder bridge]

No players are choosing to not participate in what makes the game lost ark because they are used (lazy) to the easy more comfortable way

Wich is Natural

[steep mortar]

I guess you can call him that.

[sinful cove]

Like people wanna complain that loa has the worst balancing. At least I can clear nightmare with my pba ws. I physically can not beat wows raid with prot paladin till they released more ilvl

[cinder bridge]

Humans always chose the path of least resistance well tbh that is a general law in physics

[sand marsh]

You don't understand Mirra. Everyone has to be a sweaty hardcore gamer who knows every single mechanic. New player? Gtfo, your not worth being in my sight.

Basically what he is saying

[slow saddle]

My only gripe as a counter argument is when you have new players that want to be spoonfed way too much, which does pop up

Those are extremes but minority

[sand marsh]

But in a kind way

[inland needle]

Thanks to all those rice farm Alt accounts idiots it’s also harder for newer/returning players to get into lobby’s

[sand marsh]

Perception of that could be a factor, sure.

[slow saddle]

I’ve seen people ask for solo raids for the newest released content and begging for the same rewards and incentives as group raiding

That’s the only part where I personally draw the line

[potent dagger]

I have that game as ps2 disc somewhere

[swift tree]

By that logic you could flame any player who chose to do Arkesia Tour instead of Islands unassisted.

"Didnt play the real game"

[cinder bridge]

That's exactly what becomes of the new players who are used to solo mode, entitled spoonfed babys who want to change the core of the game because it's not suited to their lazy comfort

[sinful cove]

I don't see many alt accounts anymore. Are they gone since people don't do mordum as much?

[sand marsh]

BACK IN MY DAY YOU HAD TO DO TOOKI

DIDNT DO TOOKI? FAKE LOST ARK PLAYER

GET OUT OF MY LOBBY. DENIED

[swift tree]

GO AND GET YOUR PIRATE CARDS AND DO TOOKI ISLAND SOLO LIKE A REAL MAN

[slow saddle]

Yes but that’s not a majority and you’re arguing a small piece as if it’s a chronic issue

It’s not a chronic issue

[sand marsh]

[inland needle]

Where tooki

[cinder bridge]

To be fair

You don't have to play raids

[slow saddle]

I get what you’re saying and you’d be right but we aren’t talking about that

[swift tree]

I mean it gets people playing the game, even if their own way, swiping and being part of the community.
That's not a bad thing

[cinder bridge]

You can do lifeskills all day

[steep mortar]

Still a banger Game. I Miss my PS1 and ps2 collection. Sadly didnt survive me moving multiple times

[cinder bridge]

Make multiple accounts buy Mari shop with many accs

[potent dagger]

I have my ps2 but my mom gave away our SNES

[cinder bridge]

I make like 800k a week with lifeskills more than I get from my 6 raid chars

[inland needle]

If you hate your life sure

[cinder bridge]

Now imagine doing that with alt rosters

[sand marsh]

this is so toxic and fucked up advice im going to puke

[undone summit]

@charred void gave @cinder bridge +1 reputation.

[swift tree]

I actually solo'd Tooki doing it that way

[cinder bridge]

And then you don't have to play the evil raids the Korean Devs force you to play

[sand marsh]

"hey new player don't want to raid"
"make infinite accounts and pick flowers for 12 hours a day"

awesome advice man

[inland needle]

I make with my 18 raids also above 800k dunno

[sand marsh]

truly a role model

[slow saddle]

Anyone that plays this game to lifeskill only or do chaos dungeons for hours a day, idk what to say

[cinder bridge]

That's literally your whole point In this conversation

[slow saddle]

I know people find a niche that they enjoy (good for them)

[sand marsh]

It isn't and your stupid for thinking that

But your the same person who thinks solo raids are bad

[swift tree]

Only if you have the nuance of a brick through a window

[sand marsh]

If I had to take a good guess, your roster is probably pretty bad and your just projecting your frustration.

[cinder bridge]

You are saying endgame is not the core of the game logging in is enough. Sure you can mintpick all day in genshin but the true core gameplay loop is building units and teams to clear endgame content

[swift tree]

Don't insult green log warriors like that.

[slow saddle]

In the end, I don’t think they really thought their entire point out is all I’m seeing from this chat

[sleek raft]

1680 demon 🔥

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/lost-ark-gunlancer-mokoko-hanumatan-monke-gif-17464863630099883988

[slow saddle]

Y’all need to communicate better

[cinder bridge]

But you have 15k hours in the game honestly you should be the only one being praised

[inland needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/606000700295479307/1146571144602865754/i015766807922.gif

[sand marsh]

He doesn't even understand my point. He doesn't even know what suggestions I'd bring into the game. He is just assuming and constantly misunderstands.

[swift tree]

"Only real gameplay is group raids" - "Anything else is a false equivalence no matter what you say"

[slow saddle]

Yup

[sand marsh]

But saying solo raids are bad is enough to make me think this guy is trolling

[potent dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/941862731584245850/1272991935220682845/supporter.gif

[slow saddle]

It took me a while to ‘actually’ find out what they’re really saying

[high jolt]

What are you doing to make that much wtf

[slow saddle]

Which in the end, is a moot point

[charred void]

amazon where server

[inland needle]

Solo raids are bad, since they doesn’t teach how to play your class or any mechanics or doing dmg since it’s scrapped to nearly nothing needed in there

[sinful cove]

Me on artist today. Class is too hard gg

[finite creek]

Wait what? I thought game play loop of genshin is swiping for new banners?

[sinful cove]

Why remember to buff when I can just spam hopper they broken overpowered skill

[slow saddle]

You can have 50 good things and 1 bad thing, let’s talk about that 1 bad thing and nitpick in ways to substantiate a point!

[cinder bridge]

Being special

[cinder bridge]

Reply to this

[sand marsh]

I should upload a video giving my thoughts on the game. Think it could bring in positive discussion for improvements. Even though it won't go anywhere, we can day dream.

[potent dagger]

I haven’t seen atk% support rats in a while.
Last sup that was that bad we quit in g1 because he died twice in like 3min

[charred void]

smileygate values your important feedback

[swift tree]

Behold! Lifeskilling/Alt-account gameplay.

[sinful cove]

Hand it over bud. The old one only had t4 abido so I just been doing bromath

Don't gatrkeep me

[slow saddle]

Bring people on a stream to give their takes

[sand marsh]

I would crash out. People like Pontinus will join in.

[cinder bridge]

Can do at 4:30 pm EU time when I'm done with work and at home

[sand marsh]

I rather just upload a video on my channel tbh lol

[slow saddle]

That would bring so much views tho

[swift tree]

You can cry on Icy's shoulder when done

[slow saddle]

Think of the twitch chat turning into a wildfire

[charred void]

get in some true hardcore solo raid solo char gigachads too

[high jolt]

I thought buying lifeskill pots was a loss

[slow saddle]

Get a mixed variety of players ezpz

[sinful cove]

I don't think anyone knows how or can save MMOs. Riot MMO hopefully will be the final awakening for people

[swift tree]

Hate views would boost monthly engagement tho

[cinder bridge]

Nah it's a massive win

[slow saddle]

Exactlyyyy

[steep mortar]

Its the year 2026 people have less time or are at least not willing to spend as much time playing games. But they want to. How you get that playergroup to consistently log into your mmo/live Service is imo the most important factor these days

[sinful cove]

If you remember

[swift tree]

Proper staffing and QA that industry cannot/will not afford

[surreal gyro]

i completely forgot about this lmao

[sand marsh]

Ehh maybe but I'm not really about the views. Want to also upload something different on the channel. Maybe I could pre-record a voice-call with various people I know and do that & upload it. Don't want to do it with other streamers.

[charred void]

mmo genre is "dead" since like 2014

[surreal gyro]

RIOT MMO might not be your typical MMORPG either, could be like these new MMO Lites, like WWM and Honor of Kings MMO etc

[slow saddle]

If there is anything I learned from bdo and RS for so long

It’s give me short adrenaline filled content that I can maximize daily or weekly, let me move onto other games, let me swipe, and let me play with my friends + enjoy fashion and RP

I don’t wanna grind, I’m too old for this now

[cinder bridge]

Btw I ignored it but was it meant as in me being a busser? Cuz I'm not

[charred void]

you should do funny raid montage fail videos

[swift tree]

It "died" the moment they realised they could make cheap imitations of RTS/RPGs on mobile and tack 100+ microtransactions on it for not even 1% of the budget requirements

[slow saddle]

I like having a rotation of games I can enjoy

I don’t like chores that take long

And I don’t want to do 50 boring things to enjoy 1 thing as an end goal

[sand marsh]

The style of video editing I do would not fit that kind of video to be honest. Would be cool though.

[swift tree]

just break OSRS into pieces :3

small tasks

[cinder bridge]

I would personally join on voice call

[potent dagger]

No the other dude

[sand marsh]

I like different opinions or disagreements, but your too much on the extreme side for you to be in a video no offense

[slow saddle]

RS is peak for me for those reasons of having simple broken down pacing in a variety that isn’t pushed down my throat

[sinful cove]

I love MMOs a lot but I think why I have no issues with them is because I am willing to play whichever suppllies me with what I want at that time. I go in a circle between them

[high jolt]

Any chance you could share that document

[sand marsh]

which is fine, you have your opinion. i have mine

[zealous lintel]

Ahhh, my beloved topic about how the game should be so noone wants to play it anymore

[cinder bridge]

Ah ok I don't have knowledge of people here so I wasn't sure
Would've been offended but while I despise crybaby I utterly hate bussers and anyone who does or buys busses

Lowest of low

[steep mortar]

Not into that genre myself at all but ye Arc Raiders similar concept. Short bursts of things to do and then you can forget about it

[sinful cove]

I guess I also fully quit path of exile because they simplified the game too much and removed the weight

[swift tree]

managed to find scraps of it in Lost Ark, revived partially by that new Achievement Journal but a lot of it is a bit wonky

[slow saddle]

Same

I play LA for raids and simple daily content + I can chase long term gearing

I play BDO for PvP

I play RS when I want the most chill experience

I enjoy WWM when I want questing

[swift tree]

(also timezone differences with my region fuck me up a bit)

[sand marsh]

yeah he means i am the busser. the arbirter of evil in your perception i guess.

[charred void]

turned from longterm with passion into quick cashgrab eos <1year into re-release(archeage, blade and soul)

[cinder bridge]

Indeed you are on the same level as people exploiting old people via telephone scams
Just exploiters doing their thing

[swift tree]

Funny part is so many of them wait around until they're "Shipped" to collapse in on themselves is because it looks better on a portfolio if your game made it to the finish line

Like actually

[sand marsh]

False equivalency. Those people don't provide a service. I do.

[sinful cove]

I'm jealous I can't really play multigames at once I kinda hyperfixate but also I njoy the catch-up grind lots to do when I come back to a game

[swift tree]

Having your first game shipped is your foot in the industry door

[cinder bridge]

Do you tho

[charred void]

ashes of creation

[sand marsh]

People know what they are paying for. And they get exactly that. There's better counter arguements I could of handed to you myself. But that one is really bad, sorry.

[swift tree]

Just because it's a service of low value, doesn't make it non existent

[cinder bridge]

You take more time than they would if they clear as 8 you are robbing them of gold they are robbing themselfs tbh too

• People who have not the gear progression to even clear the raid do unjustingly get rewards they don't deserve and you profit from it

[charred void]

so just create 30 accounts and get bussed and you gain gold

[slow saddle]

I mean I hate bussers too

I don’t hate the buyers, I hate the system around it that pushes them towards it. (I exclude people who want to save time)

But at least I can understand why bussers do what they do.

I’d still lump them in as the first people to do anything shady on the game to get an advantage by any means

Let them fix the system so it isn’t allowing it to exist instead

[charred void]

no way

[swift tree]

Are you letting Ayn Rand ghost write your discord messages or something...

Fucking hell

[sinful cove]

That last line is the copy paste generic response... What reward the extra 2k gold? Lmao

[slow saddle]

Blame the system for that

Partially blame the morality of bussers if u want, that won’t change anything tho

[sinful cove]

Brother if someone sucks at the game let them take a bus. They aren't rice farmers

They just want to be happy

[sand marsh]

Actually, bussing is faster than pugging in most cases, so your wrong there. In addition, they know what they are paying for. The ideology of "unjustingly get rewards" is where the elitist mentality comes into play. The idea of "you don't deserve this, only certain people do" is extremely bad. It's a video game, not a corporate ladder.

[zealous lintel]

I am not too keen to overengage in this convo but most people taking busses wouldnt be playing/taken into the group in the first place...LOAs bussing scene is so prevelant because people gatekeep the hell out of each other. Designed by SG so you leave some bucks in the F4 shop.

[cinder bridge]

No just a bored member of the workforce who has nothing to do and my boss won't let me go home earlier

[charred void]

was doing some random charity late night joining some rando guardian raid leaf guy sitting at 1/4, the moment i arrived suddenly 2 people got insta invited without applying(when leapstones were tradeable from guardian raids), yeah, nah

[slow saddle]

It’s no diff than carrying my friends who are shit at the game, but I don’t ask them for anything in return

I let them have their fun and they know their limits, it doesn’t breed them into a worst player if they are already bad. They can only remain the same or get better, not worst

I’d “hope” people don’t make a habit of it but here we are

[sand marsh]

Yeah, I can hand him a counter arguement that is much better and would crush bussing. And then my response would be "dont care, i enjoy it + I need the gold" but he's not even presenting a good counter.

[cinder bridge]

Was doing Aegir hm on main yday for some ungodly reason we managed shapes, then 4ppl didn't know first mech on Aegir G2 and even after 5retrys and explaining most didn't manage to pull it off so we disbanded

[tulip charm]

people still run aegir?

[charred void]

any games you can install and finish before server up?

[slow saddle]

Like even tho I’m anti-bussing, I also don’t like the concept of carrying people but that’s just how the raid designs are

They can change the raid design if they wanted to

I don’t like creating a world where people remain dumb and handless but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have avenues to still enjoy the game or learn

[tulip charm]

i thought lopangs moved from 1680 key farmers to at least minimum 1700

[sand marsh]

Pragmata.

[swift tree]

Ya'll ever hear about how high schools in UK countries actually have class houses like Harry Potter?
And how an Australian one got officially commissioned muscle furries for their school banners?

[zealous lintel]

a detriment to the games teaching "basics".

[sand marsh]

LMAO THIS GIF IS PERFECT

[zealous lintel]

its all there as to why new players are getting shafted

[sand marsh]

idk why i just laughed out of nowhere

[cinder bridge]

I do all raids from behe to serca on main for mats and juicers also it's nice helping people with dmg but most raids do require some mech knowledge

[charred void]

i tried that for fun on na, vairgrys support leader got targeted twice with the shape mech and failed into altf4 we disbanded

[sinful cove]

A lot of people can't handle the games combat while solving a mech. I was teaching someone act4 and saying "go to the left" and they'd go right after I say it

[tulip charm]

this is my reaction when a soul eater actually lives past 2-1 in rtc lobby

[zealous lintel]

another reason for pro solo mode(even tho i am not the biggest fan of the mode itself)

[sand marsh]

yeah he did

[sinful cove]

They literally couldn't remember their left from their right because overwhelming combat for them

[sand marsh]

finally pushed through. W

[slow saddle]

Which tl:dr, we’d be back to square one of arguing that the game needs better teaching and entry points to allow people to learn and grow on the game

[steep mortar]

I have to pug like 2-5 raids a week due to roster diff/schedulding issues. I couldnt handle pugging in the long run. Fortunate enough to have found some people.

[tulip charm]

i posted here, cleared on monday

[zealous lintel]

[swift tree]

found @nova garden 's high school

[sand marsh]

he had to go through the purgatory of infinite fake rtc lobbies terry

gotta love that

[tulip charm]

could have cleared on sat/sunday, the 2 prog groups i ran with both cleared early sat and sunday but i coudn't play on the weekend, so i cleared monday

[cinder bridge]

My Pala failed counter 4 times then stood in the wrong place of the saw and if he came that far he failed stagger

After 5 tries he altf4

Thanks solo mode

[zealous lintel]

but again, without solo, you would have even less players in the game

[sleek raft]

https://tenor.com/bkmB206JnPH.gif

[zealous lintel]

[sand marsh]

its even worse because ppl are rushing it, so naturally people are gonna join, faking rtc, hoping that better people carry them to the end.

it was like this with thaemine

[tulip charm]

do you? , after progging every new raid/hard raid/easy raid i get a kick out of clearing it for the first time, when i cleared tfm the only feeling i had left was rage

[slow saddle]

Yup

[charred void]

[sand marsh]

i've seen lobbies with honed serca gear, 1760s and they couldnt skip x500 mech....

[swift tree]

Some vairgrys group raiders are Indonesian rice farmers tho

[sand marsh]

very bad imo

yea the experience is it for TFM.

[slow saddle]

If you’re a late progger for TFM atm, it won’t feel fulfilling

It’s just an rng chase of your choice of group just to snag a title and emblem and lounge

It’s lost its luster a long time ago

[sand marsh]

Would be nice if future challenging content started giving banner rewards

[sinful cove]

Tfm is the same as hard mode besides whirlwind mech. Don't spacebar, just walk out to the top side

[sand marsh]

like the paradise banner

but for challenging content

[swift tree]

If only we got the Aegir/Brel ones

[slow saddle]

Where is my serca banner

[rain ferry]

you blame an inanimate object for that instead of putting the responsibility on the player for failing to learn. It is not the solo mode's fault for the player to not know aegir HM. And tbh, you are simply playing with rice eaters from low income countries that want to sell the gold for money as a job. You are giving them a dps boost for the rmt market. They dont want to play properly in the first place.

[swift tree]

[tulip charm]

before my clear a few days before was in a group we passed sac 3 times 6/8, and saw final mech once but not enough sideral for special armen, wiped at 0bar mech when he had 7 bars of hp left

[worldly hawk]

you blame an inanimate object for that instead of putting the responsibility on the player for failing to learn. It is not the solo mode's fault for the player to not know aegir HM. And tbh, you are simply playing with rice eaters from low income countries that want to sell the gold for money as a job. You are giving them a dps boost for the rmt market. They dont want to play properly in the first place.

[swift tree]

same place as the Aegir and Brel ones

[steep mortar]

Every time i enter 2-2 i feel rage. Pressing ww on my wd... Kazeros immediately like: see ya later loser

[sand marsh]

imagine hell mode akkan one with a sick plague/green-like background

[tulip charm]

same 2 idoits always dead always 6/8 to sac, i ditched that group

[sand marsh]

bro id be ALL OVER that shit

[swift tree]

BRO THE FUCKING CN ONES

[sinful cove]

Yeah. Wish we got more options for challenging content. Think thst is the end goal though

[slow saddle]

I want that red black aegir banner so badly

[sand marsh]

yea the CN ones are soooo fucking good

[cinder bridge]

Not my own guildie falling for the troll

[tulip charm]

it was suppose to be a easy experience, since at this point in time it was suppose to be a easy experience, with serha honing you can tank stuff you could never tank before

[charred void]

r to not know aegir HM. And tbh, you are simply playing with rice eaters from los a job. You are giving them a dps boost for the rmt market. They dont want to pe an inanimate object for that instead of putting the responsibiligir HM. And tbh, you are simply playing with rice eaters from low incogir HM. And tbh, you are simply playing with rice eaters from low incold for money as a job. You are giving them a dps boost for the rmt market.

[tulip charm]

instead the experience was hell

[sand marsh]

yep. and i am PRAYING that future challenging content gives banners, insiginias, etc. I prefer banner reward overall though because it's cosmestically, the most appealing imo

[slow saddle]

I been saying that

But u know ppl gonna complain, why I gotta do such hard content for a reward?!

[cinder bridge]

That comment wasn't serious was just a troll/stab in context with the previous conversation

[worldly hawk]

r to not know aegir HM. And tbh, you are simply playing with rice eaters from los a job. You are giving them a dps boost for the rmt market. They dont want to pe an inanimate object for that instead of putting the responsibiligir HM. And tbh, you are simply playing with rice eaters from low incogir HM. And tbh, you are simply playing with rice eaters from low incold for money as a job. You are giving them a dps boost for the rmt market.

[slow saddle]

It’s like people complaining about titles

[charred void]

weren't they like 100 ilvl above the min. ilvl for it

[slow saddle]

Let people earn achievements and shiny stuff

[swift tree]

Damn, baiting unofficial because game went down.
Making it more interesting to run Clue Scrolls in OSRS but dick move ngl

[sand marsh]

ah yea the "must do it otherwise i might get denied" type shit

[rain ferry]

well I didnt read that

[sand marsh]

very lame

[neon cedar]

r to not know aegir HM. And tbh, you are simply playing with rice eaters from los a job. You are giving them a dps boost for the rmt market. They dont want to pe an inanimate object for that instead of putting the responsibiligir HM. And tbh, you are simply playing with rice eaters from low incogir HM. And tbh, you are simply playing with rice eaters from low incold for money as a job. You are giving them a dps boost for the rmt market.

[charred void]

was fine before serca gear reset

now its meme for a year again

[swift tree]

Leave it to Deathboi to bait unofficial chat.
Can tease his ambiguous closet-lurking in Ishy's discord.

[slow saddle]

I like that serka nightmare had a high dps check, now it turned back into HW

[noble cipher]

Imo Normal mode raids are too difficult and have other flaws. Thats why they introduced Solo raiding. Expecting a player to play at 90 or higher uptime in a normal raid is a too high expectations. NM should be a chill and fun experience and be clearable with everyone by at least 60% uptime. But thats not the case, you get flamed and harrassed, trying to avoid group content after such an experience. Solo help those players to stay at the game at least.

[worldly hawk]

Imo Normal mode raids are too difficult and have other flaws. Thats why they introduced Solo raiding. Expecting a player to play at 90 or higher uptime in a normal raid is a too high expectations. NM should be a chill and fun experience and be clearable with everyone by at least 60% uptime. But thats not the case, you get flamed and harrassed, trying to avoid group content after such an experience. Solo help those players to stay at the game at least.

[swift tree]

Guy already admitted they're trolling

[sand marsh]

it's only a meme if you perceive it that way. my eclipse and abyss lord involved weeks of endless grind. logging in, doing only that and logging off. i enjoyed almost every second of it, some frustration here and there.

[neon cedar]

Its crazy this solo mode debating has been going on for a full hour

[slow saddle]

Ya

[cinder bridge]

I'm only mad at him ragequitting, I wouldn't mind a few more tries give him time to learn but he just left and screwd/ deprived 7 people of the run

[swift tree]

Got to fill the downtime boredom

[charred void]

i guess

[sand marsh]

if we get this i would coom

[slow saddle]

I couldn’t sleep cus of that monster I drank so I’m on my phone

[neon cedar]

Im actively losing braincells watching this chat

[slow saddle]

I got work in 4 hours

Good thing no meetings today except at like 3pm so it’s whatever

[charred void]

but you could get a badly cropped kazeros the first-10 thingy in our version? you don't like?

[worldly hawk]

imo, if normal modes are too difficult for you, this might not be the game for you

[slow saddle]

Yup

[sand marsh]

Uhhh, i think races are a bad idea. This recent race is a fine example of that. Both in KR and NA. Just make it a completion reward, with a really difficult hell-mode like raid.

[slow saddle]

Ya I agree

The whole race stuff is cringe and a headache

And full of sus

[tulip charm]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-nuclear-mind-explosion-headache-stress-gif-17001955

hear me out

[charred void]

but they were all legit and didn't cheat people who clicked on some funny stronghold boxes couldn't participate for it

[swift tree]

I wouldn't say they're too difficult but the way the game is setup (raid income model) means it punishes players for being forgiving on new players and having to wipe.

[tulip charm]

if they canned solo mode, they would have more budget to send out more than 3 raids per year?!!!!!

[swift tree]

Serca/Horizon improve on it tho

[potent dagger]

Nm are hard with normal attacks only

[steep mortar]

Imagine streaming your Race prog with your Screen Hidden...oh wait

[tulip charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/878628440419479593.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[slow saddle]

Tried it and it didn’t work and I learned to hate people more from racing and speed runs

[worldly hawk]

idk men NMs are so easy if you don't take shitters with garbage chars

[swift tree]

Adding revives to Kazeros raids really seemed like they were experimenting with possible QoL changes

[swift tree]

Which can include newbies

[potent dagger]

I’d agree that serca g2 240 is to punishing in nm. But act 4-5? Nah they ez

[sand marsh]

If our race content was original, it'd be nice for the first few weeks. Then piloted like all other regions. This happened in CN as well.

We aren't the only degen ones haha

[noble cipher]

You are allowed to have that opinion. Imo Normal Modes should be approachable wiothout any raid knowledge and should be clearable within max 3 restarts. And ofc they should provide the same progression materials (lower amount, but same)

[swift tree]

fair, Progging Kaz still took an hour or so first time

[tulip charm]

this is not a gacha game brotha

[sand marsh]

It'd have to be a very short race. Like legit 1 to 2 weeks. Any longer and it'll be piloted once people have it locked in.

[tulip charm]

if you want raids like that there is games that cater to this

diablo immortal or something

idk

[worldly hawk]

going into NM blind expecting a clear within 3 restarts that's just delusional

[potent dagger]

1 whole hr

I rember valk nm prog with pugs took me like 2-3 days

[swift tree]

that's not going to happen, Solo is meant for that

[charred void]

but thats p2w

[sand marsh]

yeah lmao

[rain ferry]

they should make slight changes to certain mechs in the global release so that it isnt a perfect copy from KR. shouldnt take much dev time and lets the racers figure out new stuff.

[slow saddle]

Reminder: captains opinions should be ignored

They got yeeted out of the other La discord so that’s the only reason they’re here

[swift tree]

This is a few weeks ago. And yeah, but you know that 1 hour delay would make players in pick-up groups lose their shit

[worldly hawk]

i can understand why

[lilac frigate]

I mean... is 240 even THAT punishing for serca nm?

you only really need to play it correctly once

[sinful cove]

I think the "race" for our version is fine. It gives something for people to hype and have fun if they are on that level. The kr version being before us will never make it serious though

[tulip charm]

his actually back, so his now in both channels

[potent dagger]

If lobby is called prog i dont see issue
If lobby is called reclear and people fail to dodge or do mechs.

[slow saddle]

LOL

[charred void]

you restart until you get the guard guard instead x3

[slow saddle]

Throw on more stagger until it goes super quick then don’t have to deal with

[noble cipher]

back in 2022 when I started the game, we had raids like this. You went to a dungeon, got in, after 3-4 tries it was done and you could progress. I spent enough hours in the game and imo there is no alternative currently (still waiting on Aion2 to quit Lost Ark, but in the meanwhile I need to stick around)

[sinful cove]

But like what do they get that it bothers me? A title that I never seen equiped because I have titles off? That's a fine reward it's cosmetic

[sand marsh]

Yeah but again, the race would have to be very short otherwise pilots will happen eventually. Which is why I think races aren't the right direction. Make a very difficult hell-mode like raid, like hell brelshaza difficulty, and give a completion reward - sick banner, insignia, etc and call it a day. Sure people may be piloted for that too but in a race-format it's a lot worse since you can get knocked out of top 10/20 or something

[worldly hawk]

it hasn't been like this since valtan

what are you on about

like what

[potent dagger]

And many people. Me included left because it was boring af doing abyss

[charred void]

we had to songout to repair in the first abyssal dungeon(matchmaking) at 302

[sinful cove]

Like why are some of you upset they host events that's kinda weird

[steep mortar]

240 is just a perfect example of a shitty mech. Having to look at multiple things at once with No recovery

[slow saddle]

I would’ve liked their vetting process to be more strict but it is what it is

[worldly hawk]

also crazy revalation, if you don't enjoy a game just stop playing it

[noble cipher]

Imo unpleasent raid experiences started with DPS meter, then flaming and toxicity began

[sinful cove]

Games like path of exile used to hold rsces/events and stopped... Literally just missing free fun

[slow saddle]

This ^^

[sand marsh]

If they do another race or TFM it'll be very, very bad PR.

[noble cipher]

Oh, I enjoy the game, but simly not the progression paths it provides, that why I take busses and enjoy the other contents

[potent dagger]

Atleast in nm you guard > can see safe spot. But imo the mech should slow down or maybe no x3 guard in nm

[slow saddle]

They didn’t check shit

[tulip charm]

why not, send it out, i can see the final primal shadow being another race event

[sinful cove]

Yeah that's a fair point for that situation but ags is dead as hell...
but to say they shouldn't have them at all is kinda weird to me.

[sand marsh]

wrong. they don't thorougly check. bias is involved. there's evidence to support that people had inside contact with AGS and got people DQ'ed.

[worldly hawk]

i'm just gonna block you now, the shit you spout is just batshit insane and delusional

[potent dagger]

Atleast now people can see who is the 0 dps and not kick the on ilvl doing high dmg to take a high ilvl doing 0 dps

[tulip charm]

just for the love of god don't send out anymore of those weird guardian race events, idk if people remb extreme achetos or whatever the hell the guardian was called
scoreboard was completely filled in the first hour, all destroyer/soulfist players killing the guardian in 15seconds with 200 skills for extreme guardian title

[slow saddle]

I think they can bring out alternative forms of competitive content that doesn’t involve racing, is my general take

But that mostly stems from our most recent race being shit

[steep mortar]

Ye the Triple poke in particular is just too much for nm

[potent dagger]

Buying busses to clear new chaos. For same enemy and gameplay

[sand marsh]

which honestly, do these people just have **no ego? **Imagine you have to purposely get someone DQ'ed because they cleared before you, just for you to get a chance at a top 10 placement. my ego COULD NEVER do that.

[sinful cove]

True. They might not get new players and this very popular nonniche MMO will lose its playerbase

[tulip charm]

no they woudn't, what the fuck?

[potent dagger]

I gues unlock new story?

[tulip charm]

i miss the google docs that come out with every race event

[sinful cove]

Obviously nobody is quiting bsides the people that were personally salty if they got dq'd

[tulip charm]

when is the next lost ark google doc...

[slow saddle]

Reminder the type of people we got playing this game

They’d kill off their own blood if it meant they got an advantage or spite against someone else LOL

[lilac frigate]

google dockey

[slow saddle]

MMOs breed the worst type of mental illnesses

I seen it on bdo, I seen it here on LA

[sinful cove]

Look at how many people cleared tfm even up to this week that had fun and told people they cleared

This mode wouldn't exist if the race didn't

[sand marsh]

right but, doesn't that come with a sense of small penis energy? i'm a very egotistcal person lol. i would never try to diminish my own accomplishment

[slow saddle]

It does but you think people have shame nowadays?

We have a shameless society

[sinful cove]

Which cars about the top 10 weirdos they don't effect us

[sand marsh]

probably.. i just can't fathom putting aside pride/ego just to force yourself into a race-placement that doesn't belong to you.

it blows my mind tbh.

[slow saddle]

People got small dick energy and they’re proud of it unfortunately

[tulip charm]

the later is good

[slow saddle]

Which is why we have cheaters running around

[cinder bridge]

It's about the technique after all

[slow saddle]

People go out of their way to step on others

[tulip charm]

i am ignorant, someone plz define what "small penis energy" mean

[slow saddle]

I remember the days when games were fun and not that serious

[sand marsh]

by cheaters do you mean speedhacking? i don't think that really exists these days.

it did in thaemine though

thaemine TFM

[sinful cove]

That was just a timegated nerf so more could enjoy it after is how I see it. Since without ark grid wouldn't of been obtainable by many

[charred void]

pick 2: online, fun, leaderboards

[slow saddle]

All the group of folks that break TOS in a nutshell, including the toxic nature of people

[sinful cove]

WoW will ner bosses when rwf is done

Nerf*

[sand marsh]

ohhh gotcha. my perception of cheating is manipulating game files and such. but i guess u can call it that too

[slow saddle]

Yeah I broaden the term in my books

[zenith canyon]

Wdym they just nerfed lura while rwf was still up

[sinful cove]

It's pretty normal way of nerfing. The same part is usually people can't experience the unnerfed version in wow. Thiznyou just take off ark grid

[sand marsh]

how do you even know that. you play wow? lol

[zenith canyon]

I watched rwf

[sand marsh]

oh, interesting

i thought everyone in here hated wow except me

[zenith canyon]

My "playing" cant even be said as playing now

[sand marsh]

[tulip charm]

why coudn't global experience time to hunt gs ark grid 1.0 like kr did for a few months....
why coudn't scrapper players (if there even is any) experience ark grid 1.0 for like a week in kr before that got gutted

[sinful cove]

Well they overtuned those bosses when people were complaining about how ez crown was. Night before it came out this expansion is a mess balance tho 🙁

[tulip charm]

i wanna see my rose bloom hit for 60billion or something in the first few months, but we never got that version

[sinful cove]

Buff PBA ws

[zenith canyon]

It is mess, its big pile of mess with bunch of stuff

[tulip charm]

and scrapper had a core that gave them +900% dmg on a skill lol

[charred void]

wasnt thaemine and kaz tfm in kr tuned down/fixed "overnight"

[slow saddle]

Why’d you have to dig up my trauma?

[sand marsh]

not gonna lie. pre-nerf Lura is the hardest raid boss I have ever seen in any MMO

you put that in lost ark and people would lose there fucking minds

[slow saddle]

You’d enjoy the game called GTFO

I stand by it, hardest co op game ever, and I love it

[charred void]

put any wow boss in lost ark and people get hardstuck

[tulip charm]

wdym, we did have this, let me see if i can find the timestamp from stoopz kakul jail back in the day, one second

[cinder bridge]

Isn't wow difficulty just majorly overinflated?

[sand marsh]

nah lol. kazeros TFM is harder than most wow bosses in the game currently.

[cinder bridge]

You just have 20 tools telling you what to do and to combat that devs said "ok bosses do 3 mechs at the same time now"

[sand marsh]

pre-nerf lura is a fucking beast though

[cinder bridge]

Just mech overlapping

[swift tree]

And because gearing is directly tied to raiding a whole group of players get locked from vertical progression.

OH WAIT

(that was Brel in 2022)

[zenith canyon]

Yes and no, hard raids are fine, mythic depen on tier (this one was ultra mess, with just 2 bosses overtuned)

[sinful cove]

Wow is Disneyland it's just had because. 1 of your 20 raiderrs is adk watching something on their other monitor

[swift tree]

hey, some supports are like that too

[sinful cove]

Rwf is hard though for sure just what we end up doing isn't

[cinder bridge]

Yea wow never felt challenging you have tools to tell you what to do anyways

[charred void]

just clear g1 brel with 7 other mouthbreathers for 3 brel bathwater per week, EVENSCHUALLY you will get your gear crafted by 2028

[cinder bridge]

It's just the people you raid with

[slow saddle]

That sounds like every failed TFM Speedrun I had which made me hate certain people

[zenith canyon]

No longer valid, its way less info now

[tulip charm]

https://youtu.be/-Pse5o6j4cE?t=763 i found the timestamp i loled here, 3 years is a long time

[sand marsh]

Lol buddy, if you think that's how it is you clearly never got cutting edge early on in a patch cycle

just because it tells you "get out of this area" doesn't mean the boss falls over and dies.

[cinder bridge]

Yea I heard they dialed it back wich is really good

[covert remnant]

These streamers def RMT man, just can't prove it

[zenith canyon]

Wdym i can just stay in safe spot and boss wont just die?

[sand marsh]

yep! if the tool tells you to get out, clearly its very easy

just get world first next time

not challenging bro

[zenith canyon]

[cinder bridge]

Tbf world first in wow is just dept simulator

[sand marsh]

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

[swift tree]

They do from sponsorships and streaming $$$ to dump into their game account anyhow

[zenith canyon]

Its mostly skill issue the first days

[sinful cove]

I literally make mrt notes telling me exactly when to press each defensive on the last two bosses of each tier its kinda too overpowered

[cinder bridge]

It's Always funny when my wow buddy tells me about it

[zenith canyon]

And if u can upkeep 20chars at same power

[cinder bridge]

Bro team mythic is 100k Dollars in dept for world first

I'm like wat.jpg

[sinful cove]

But I'm the biggest fan of add-ons and why I loved wow so much

[dull obsidian]

Debt?

Wtf is dept

[zenith canyon]

Then they sell 2 bosses and they are +10k

[charred void]

you just need to rmt/bus 500000000 billion gold, do split raids, carry randoms in raids so they trade their gear to you, log on other 50 characters, repeat - then you can attempt wurld forst race

[zenith canyon]

Smol things wdym

[sand marsh]

no you need a massive amount of skill

[cinder bridge]

So back to professional bussing we love that

[sand marsh]

doing all of that won't help if you aren't the top 0.1% of skill

[charred void]

ah right, that too

[dull obsidian]

Idk I feel like Trinity class games is pretty hard

[tulip charm]

haven't done this in awhile, decided to verify my files, nothing is wrong

[dull obsidian]

LOA feels on the easier side of raiding

[tulip charm]

been having some weird game crashes lately

[swift tree]

It is now

[sinful cove]

Rwf players are definitely very talented but there's a lot like them. The big thing is saccing your life + doing 20 splits

[sand marsh]

yeah i always felt this way. I felt WoW heroic bosses this time around was more difficult than almost every raid in lost ark lol

[sinful cove]

That makes them stand out. The mental fortitude they have is insane

[charred void]

people still have issues with the "bad and very hard" serca g2 240 "mech", imagine if they saw a modern actual raid boss in another "actual" mmorpg

[sand marsh]

speaking of serca g2

i finally uploaded the guide

[cinder bridge]

I mean serca is pisseasy

Even kazeros was

[sand marsh]

yay im not behind anymore

[charred void]

which version

[cinder bridge]

Lost ark raids in general are pretty easy

[cinder bridge]

Week1

[dull obsidian]

The next raid is another story raid on the harder side I'm pretty sure

[charred void]

yes which version, normal hard tfm

[cinder bridge]

Hard

[dull obsidian]

And the raid after that should be the same

[charred void]

go 1710 on ilvl 1500 cp in normal

tell me how easy it is week 1

[cinder bridge]

That's still easy

We had below clear dps on our hm prog and clear xd

[dull obsidian]

We get 2 chill and 2 "hard" raids a year

[burnt tree]

damn patch not even 1 gigs

[dull obsidian]

Unless serka was counted as a hard raid

[burnt tree]

we get 2 endgame raids and 2 chill raids

[dull obsidian]

Oh so she did

[burnt tree]

serca was endgame raid, abyss dungeon in june is chill mode

[dull obsidian]

Lol

[charred void]

but they told us that nightmare difficulty is similar to tfm??????

[wintry depot]

I thought serca was counted as chill raid

[burnt tree]

they did not

they said tfm was like an inbetween hm and tfm, not tfm

[cinder bridge]

No serca is a chill raid

[sinful cove]

Nightmare is like "old" hard aka dps check I guess ?

[cinder bridge]

Bell dude easy raid

[wintry depot]

Yes

[cinder bridge]

The next raid after bell dude should be harder raid

[burnt tree]

bro thinks they will add 2 "hard" raids back to back

[dull obsidian]

I mean shii

That would be nice

[sinful cove]

Mordum wss harder than Kaz

[dull obsidian]

No it wasn't lol

[burnt tree]

lol what

[dull obsidian]

Mordum was a 6 hour adventure

[charred void]

brel was harder because only 1 week fomo title

[cinder bridge]

Sadly kr is also catering to it's casual audience releasing 2 easier raids then 1 hard raid

[charred void]

or 2 idk

[cinder bridge]

That's what they said when they talked about bell raid

[charred void]

these damn casuals who can't even clear solo raids before enrage ruining my raiding game

[cinder bridge]

Kinda sad

[opal pond]

hey team, are we getting the usual reset + another maintenance at 00??

[cinder bridge]

Easy raids and revive system killing what lost ark was supposed to be xdd

[burnt tree]

we arent ags, we dont know

ask them frfr

[dull obsidian]

I think hell mode might be back with LOAON

I hope so

I didn't really like playing hell modes when they were out

[burnt tree]

they will just bring it back to finish Hell Legion raids

i dont think they will return like b4

[dull obsidian]

I just played pred slayer only in it

Blade felt so bad

[charred void]

so hyped to see people do it on 1800 ilvl when the raid is like 1750

[sinful cove]

Kazeros shows you 5 balls. If three are blue you stagger, if three are yellow you counter. Here's 10 seconds to solve this mech

[hasty steppe]

since they added nmr, just add another mode as hellmode:D

[burnt tree]

1770 Hellkan, 1800 Thaehell

ezpz

[dull obsidian]

That's not a mech tho that's a normal pattern lmao

[burnt tree]

mfs asking for another difficulty when SG wants to go back to chill mode

[dull obsidian]

I mean

[sinful cove]

Mordum. If he puts up 2 hands in the air holding his hammer it's this. If it's one hand it's this. If it's just his fist it's this. All will make you either die or explode killing your raid

[dull obsidian]

Nightmare is a pretty good spot

[sinful cove]

You have 1 second to tell what he's doing good luck

[dull obsidian]

What is that guy saying

Mordum did none of that

[charred void]

mordum = hard raid

[wise pasture]

[hasty steppe]

nmr is a good addition

[sinful cove]

I'm saying Kaz wasn't hard

[burnt tree]

mordum was very simple outside of a few mechanics ppl just died

[dull obsidian]

Kaz was hard lol

[wintry depot]

Hardest part of mordum was people cant fucking run in x425

[hasty steppe]

just some gold more and a chance for a relic book in auction +

[burnt tree]

bet he didnt even do kaz blind

[sinful cove]

Every pattern of Kaz is very telegraphed in 2-2/2-3

[burnt tree]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-4865554

[wintry depot]

Raid wasnt hard at all

[sinful cove]

It's just an endurance check

[dull obsidian]

Because it had to be?

[safe lark]

hey

[dull obsidian]

Its a 3 phase fight with no checkpoints

[swift tree]

Only if you can’t run to the edge/chain in time to drop a puddle or bomb

[wintry depot]

What

Its true

[safe lark]

i go shower, can u open the servers in 15 minutes?

[burnt tree]

how does it feel stating the obvious so often nowadays frfr

[dull obsidian]

Even thaemine 4-2/3 patterns were telegraphed to all shit

[swift tree]

Some of us have latency issues

[wintry depot]

No

[charred void]

the whole game is an endurance check

[safe lark]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sad-face-ok-1--k01KRGB0MJKSAP4DJ6RT54MF4XB

[wintry depot]

And i dont?

[burnt tree]

damn ags didnt hire you yet?

[neon cedar]

So many green names. Scramble

[safe lark]

SCATTER

[swift tree]

You got more than 300?

[wintry depot]

Sadly no

[burnt tree]

saddies

[wise pasture]

[wintry depot]

No, but not everyone that was dying there at 300ms

[safe lark]

i cant wait to play from Quebecistan

[sinful cove]

Not G2 serca 😮 That fight flies by 😮

[safe lark]

ping in head

ping in internet

and playing sorc

[swift tree]

ik, like me

[sinful cove]

The enrage changes are interesting

[burnt tree]

buff ne

[tulip charm]

holy!!! new scalp vid is out!!!

[dull obsidian]

I think the enrage changes are great lol

[tulip charm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaJ1xSS4XFg

[charred void]

woah

[tulip charm]

i was here!!! been up less than 10min

[dull obsidian]

It gives you a chance to hyper perform

[swift tree]

Ngl Ivory Tower Gate 1 was also fun for that

[safe lark]

fuck baldie

[charred void]

casuals can finally learn serca g2

[burnt tree]

dont forget to comment "First"

[sinful cove]

Yeah lots of fun stressful moments in berserk for all my friends enjoyed watching the progs

[wise pasture]

[tulip charm]

i just did

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[sand marsh]

i dumbed down the video as much as i could. from a new player perspective

[dull obsidian]

Tbh can lost ark even make a mech driven gate

I don't think they can with these players lol

[charred void]

let me pull out paint for the g2 120 mech 1 sec

[wise pasture]

No

[burnt tree]

no cause ppl will complain about their uptime

wdym i have to do mechs?

i just wanna dodge or tank patterns and deepees

[potent dagger]

People are to dumb to do x3
Or basic colour patterns

[sinful cove]

I wasn't around for ivory 🙁

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

[burnt tree]

frfr

[dull obsidian]

Like I feel like having a dps phase like thaemine 4-2 stagger or hell brel g1 mirrors would be Hella fun

[burnt tree]

make next Kakul Saydon raid a mech-based raid

as mech based as possible

[dull obsidian]

Insane giga skill ceiling rewards

Make the fucker take bonus dmg too

[burnt tree]

if u fail mechs u get silenced

[potent dagger]

Shadow realm

[timber ingot]

Imagine that happening to us?

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-realm-jimbo-alexzander-greats-nothing-personal-jimmy-neutron-gif-26475356

[dull obsidian]

What is that on?

[sand marsh]

RU W?

wtf

[noble cipher]

would be nice

[dull obsidian]

Its on RU?

[timber ingot]

RU has now every blessing buyable with BC yeah

[sand marsh]

yep

[dull obsidian]

That's insane lol

[sand marsh]

thats so cool

[burnt tree]

yeah we aint gettin that

frfr

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/monday-duel-yugioh-cards-spongebob-gif-13372908

[burnt tree]

inb4 we login and we can buy them with BC too

[timber ingot]

They didnt have it in their notes and it was announced post-maintenance so... :c

[wintry depot]

That would be nice for me

[dull obsidian]

Idk

[wintry depot]

Since i dont swipe for that

[swift tree]

tl;dr berserk mode isn't a guaranteed instant kill, failing x45 mech is the same as hitting enrage
similar wiggle room as Serca

[dull obsidian]

750/2000 is pretty expensive

Lnao

[wintry depot]

But thats expensive

[dull obsidian]

Inanna will always be worth

Azena needs some calcs though

[burnt tree]

yeah shes a baddie frfr

[surreal gyro]

@burnt tree did you watch Eurovision yday?

[dull obsidian]

2000 BC is what

[burnt tree]

lol i havent watched Euroslop like 15 years now

[dull obsidian]

22 BC purchases?

[surreal gyro]

shame

[dull obsidian]

Nvm it's 21

Inannas is like 530k for 28d

[surreal gyro]

i think we will be top3 this year

[charred void]

can you edit this into the video please

[burnt tree]

half the countries arent even participating

lmao

[surreal gyro]

well yeah because of a certain country but ye

xd

[sand marsh]

lol no. i included that in my video though

the ideology of the cursor method and when it stops working

[burnt tree]

why would i wanna watch it if X country is still there

[charred void]

let me pull out paint again for serca g2 240

1sec

[surreal gyro]

i watch it when we have a good song

xd

[sand marsh]

om....

[burnt tree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4B0Jpr4Rw4 but now this is peak

[charred void]

🦖 ?

[burnt tree]

yes playable Dinosaur

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[burnt tree]

peak

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-9646983534577797493

[burnt tree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ymnCXU6iyA

in 2 days they adding a literal dinosaur as playable char

[worldly hawk]

blue crystal prices are already high as is there is no way we're getting that

[burnt tree]

lmfao u already caught on with the memes

[charred void]

i get that posted

i'm a bit behind on the game

[cinder bridge]

As a tank main, I can't wait to be done with raids

[charred void]

i only played venom

[burnt tree]

they are adding an option to reduce the game size by 35gigs

if u remove the HQ Texture pack

[tulip charm]

you explained 240 very well i think

[charred void]

idk what that means with my 4tb ssd

[burnt tree]

damn

[tulip charm]

short and concise, they can learn the tip and tricks later

[wise pasture]

lol wtf

[burnt tree]

i forgot ure cooked up with tb

[charred void]

some guy finally reduced his skyrim modpack from around 900 gb to like 600-650 ish, that was actually helpful

[sand marsh]

yeah i didn't want to include a ton of information. just what is needed to complete it.

[burnt tree]

yepp

[charred void]

damn, scalp was eating good with the amount of youtube cash

[tulip charm]

https://tenor.com/view/amazon-server-gif-27101597

[charred void]

should make a from hero to zero series

[tulip charm]

alot can change in 4 months during tax season...

[swift tree]

Both are biblically accurate Florida men

[shadow wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/amazon-server-gif-27101597

[sand marsh]

[swift tree]

Where's the lie

[tulip charm]

do florida homeowners buy hurricane insurance...

[sand marsh]

yes but a lot of homes are built with a hurricane in mind

at least the modern ones

[swift tree]

Does it matter if the insurance companies try and refuse to payout anyhow?

[tulip charm]

[charred void]

aren't aligators more dangerous over there

[sand marsh]

no thats fake

[swift tree]

Happened in Brisbane here with floods

[charred void]

[sand marsh]

florida men just wrestle the alligators

no diff

[swift tree]

Alligators are cuddly, Crocodiles are the dangerous ones

[slow saddle]

Real and true

[sand marsh]

[swift tree]

Crocodiles are also much larger

[slow saddle]

Doesn’t that mean they have the potential of being more cuddly?

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/crocodile-crocodile-hunter-collision-course-animal-swallowing-swallow-gif-25591447

[tulip charm]

i wish i have aligators where i live

i heard its tasty and edible

[charred void]

nah

would be cool pet

[swift tree]

It's very gamey chicken allegedly.

[charred void]

going on a walk with my pet scally boi

[swift tree]

Already have that with a turtle

[burnt tree]

they need to go for a walk as well

[swift tree]

at least if the turtle bites I don't risk losing a limb

[charred void]

turtle slow

[shadow wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/man-riding-alligator-gif-7084415819014870928

[swift tree]

Tortoises* are slow.
Turtles are fast

[charred void]

unless you put it on a small scateboard i guess

really

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/fast-turtle-gif-19535710

[charred void]

damn

[tulip charm]

nty, think of the weekly routine of the florida man, work a 9 to 5, go to the park on the weekend when you have some time, hunt a alligator from the local pond, eat it

[worldly hawk]

duuuuuuumb wayyyys to dieeeeee

[tulip charm]

disney WORLD is also in florida, i wanna see their safari

didn't have enough time last time

[charred void]

topless with a cowboy hat shouting USA USA USA, that would be the dream

[tulip charm]

wait, what if scalp is not even from florida...

what if his from texas, slight texas accent

[charred void]

[swift tree]

Red Ear Sliders and the other Tortoises commonly used as pets are slower.

Australian murray river turtles though- fast as fuck boiiiiiiiiiiii

[tulip charm]

what if scalp is actually canadian and he can speak french

[charred void]

https://giphy.com/gifs/the-more-you-know-kitty-badass-Qy7tP5FZZXAN0SR5uc

[tulip charm]

[swift tree]

then I would say something that would get me banned here

[swift tree]

@tulip charm lookup "This is not a pipe" for context

[lethal wasp]

server should be up in 4 hours?

[swift tree]

surely its up in 5 mins

[charred void]

i is new playa i dont know what counter a clock or clock is
with how i remember the safespot is:
you look at main boss POV and only check the left clone from him - if it's sword down, you go to the sword down position - very easy to remember
(i would maybe record a run where boss is at 6 so it's EVEN EASIER to understand)

that is if you're bored enough to edit it

[sand marsh]

I had over 20 recorded runs and that was the best pov i can find.
I'm not going to explain what clockwise and counter clockwise means.. that's explained in elementary school lol

[cursive ruin]

lost ark

[swift tree]

move yourself WIDDERSHINS to the boss' location!

[worldly hawk]

i remembered it from 3o clock, down = i go down if it's up i go up

[charred void]

this field is like legit the only information you need to "solve" 240 besides the guards

[sand marsh]

Yeah but the video explains if the swords are pointing up, you go counter clock-wise.

Wanted to keep it simple. Everyone learns differently. I personally don't do what you mentioned.

I don't even look at the clones.

[charred void]

people maybe get confused a lot because they look at all 3 clones idk

[sand marsh]

Yeah but i didnt mention all 3 clones. I just said if sword pointed upwards, to go counter clockwise. People learn in mysterious ways. like sound ques and such which ill never understand

like for me, i don't look at clones, i look at what attack is performed by the clone

i dont look at the sword itself

[worldly hawk]

you would be suprised how much more time you get on some patterns if you listen to sound ques

[sand marsh]

its just how i learned it

[swift tree]

braden taught to split group and ping the one that doesnt hit

[charred void]

i guess

[errant fable]

wait tfm is Gone ?

[worldly hawk]

no

[sand marsh]

yeah but i just dont learn that way

[charred void]

https://giphy.com/gifs/broken-walk-Z3Av47b2Xrwru

[swift tree]

yes/no

[worldly hawk]

they extended it 1 month

[sand marsh]

i get why people do, just not for me

[errant fable]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-read-dj-hunts-djhuntsofficial-i'm-not-a-reader-reading-is-not-my-thing-gif-4728426300332238187

[sand marsh]

i also cant get pumped for prog unless im blasting music soo

ingame volume is never on for me haha

[swift tree]

just dont be like buffy and have it be super loud girly pop

[charred void]

serca g2 sound ques are great

not that i need them anymore

[sand marsh]

nah i just throw on a solo scrim project or suicideboys

[worldly hawk]

it's on in progs and in raids where i rely on sound queues

otherwise i also blast music

[swift tree]

finally a weapon to surpass metal gear

[charred void]

meanwhile me in wow classic with a fish club crusader enchanted pvping people half naked

forgot to copy my screenshot stash from old computer, now i'm sad

[swift tree]

lotro had a /fishslap emote and a bare-chest skin for Dwarves

[cinder bridge]

I told my static to undo all music or anything during prog lmao
Respect my time as I respect yours, if you don't want to focus on learning go some other place

Lo and behold we progged fairely quick

[charred void]

amazon why is server

[swift tree]

who is server

[neon cedar]

+1 hour delay

[worldly hawk]

i agree with this but i know some that just play better with music on

[charred void]

i'm working/semi afk anyways for another 5h, couldn't do much ingame anyways

[sand marsh]

yeah i play much better with music on. otherwise i'll get distracted or can't focus

have to be a tunnel-vision trance

jus how i be

[cinder bridge]

Pattern behaviour

Trained on it so it works only that way

Same as you can train a dog to a clicker hand sign or language

[charred void]

but i need to hear that la li ti so i can time it better with buffs

[sand marsh]

i just focus better that way. dont need to listen to call outs or have ingame sound volume on personally

and in terms of animations, i tend to pick up on them faster than most people

[worldly hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/clicker-dog-dog-clicker-training-gif-12645829899104870839

[charred void]

how many clicks for the dog to grab me a cold one from the fridge

[worldly hawk]

3

don't do 2 or 4

you don't wanna know what happens on 2 or 4

[cinder bridge]

You can actually train a dog to do that

Some redneck type shi

[swift tree]

or just ADHD

[sand marsh]

well i dont have adhd lol. i just learn better visually, with no distractions

think most people are that way

[cinder bridge]

I mean music is a distraction

[swift tree]

well yeah you're the other kinda neurodivergent

[sand marsh]

maybe for some, not for others

people go to the gym and blast music to get more pumped for there workout

same can be said when gaming

not hard to understand

[sage tartan]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-leaf-1--k01KQ4XVHG3H4K5XHSAGYMSKMQZ

[cinder bridge]

No it is a straight up distraction even if you are used to it, if you would mute all sounds you would learn even faster visually

If you are the visual learn type

[sand marsh]

no i wouldn't because music is not a distraction to me

it's akin to white-noise when trying to sleep

[cinder bridge]

But white noise is white noise and not music with ups downs frequencies beats and lyrics

[sand marsh]

i listen to the same music everyday

so its white noise to me

[cinder bridge]

Ah whatever guess your brain chemistry is just different from 8billion others

[swift tree]

well yes, that's what neurodivergence is

[sand marsh]

when you listen to the same up and down frequency every single day

it becomes white noise basically

[cinder bridge]

Neurodivergent is the modern ADHD for me, the only thing I truly believe in being different is au*ism

[swift tree]

It's just a catch-all term that doesn't derive from a time it was treated using electric-shock

[rain ferry]

or just beating up the odd kid in class

[charred void]

i always thanked him for his(my) homework after

[cinder bridge]

I gathered them and made them my clique

[charred void]

the odd boi gang

[cinder bridge]

School was a good time with the odd Bois

[charred void]

Hey all. As you are discussing, TFM mode ended earlier than intended. We're extending the event by one month and will have it end with the next monthly update in June. We will not be able to fix it by tonight's maintenance and will need to do an additional small downtime tomorrow to get things back in working order. To avoid potentially cutting people's raids short after reset and allow a full day of uninterrupted gameplay, we will be doing our usual 12am maintenance for this fix, so plan accordingly. We apologize for any inconvenience, and hope this one month extension provides you more time to run through the content

[wise pasture]

Hey all. As you are discussing, TFM mode ended earlier than intended. We're extending the event by one month and will have it end with the next monthly update in June. We will not be able to fix it by tonight's maintenance and will need to do an additional small downtime tomorrow to get things back in working order. To avoid potentially cutting people's raids short after reset and allow a full day of uninterrupted gameplay, we will be doing our usual 12am maintenance for this fix, so plan accordingly. We apologize for any inconvenience, and hope this one month extension provides you more time to run through the content

[charred void]

thanks matt

[swift tree]

Hey all. As you are discussing, TFM mode ended earlier than intended. We're extending the event by one month and will have it end with the next monthly update in June. We will not be able to fix it by tonight's maintenance and will need to do an additional small downtime tomorrow to get things back in working order. To avoid potentially cutting people's raids short after reset and allow a full day of uninterrupted gameplay, we will be doing our usual 12am maintenance for this fix, so plan accordingly. We apologize for any inconvenience, and hope this one month extension provides you more time to run through the content

[charred void]

🚏

🚌 👨‍✈️

[tulip charm]

Multiple wrench’s are up

[charred void]

oh?

[sage tartan]

i remember the same thing happened to thaemine TFM

[charred void]

maybe i'll grab me tfm clear too now

[shadow wagon]

server merges gonna happen this month right?

[sage tartan]

no

[tulip charm]

I heard it got canceled

I am sorry Miguelito I know you want to play with the eu players, next time for sure!!!

[shadow wagon]

what? why?

[charred void]

[cinder bridge]

Random stray

[shadow wagon]

nah. piss off eu

[cinder bridge]

Hey at least it's not kr

Telling you you play arcana wrong or cheat

[shadow wagon]

true enough

[cinder bridge]

Kr became such a meme and laughing stock for me