lost-ark-discussions

[mystic sphinx]

if you had doloris, how do i know you cleared the nightmare

and didnt bus the raid

what proof do you have

Doloris?

[runic siren]

you don't but how many people are buying it

majority or minority

[mystic sphinx]

majority

[runic siren]

i mean you're saying change my mind but you're not exactly open minded lmao

51% of doloris enjoyers bought the bus?

that's like 1000 busses in week 1

[mystic sphinx]

its not specifically serca

any raid with any week 1 title

[runic siren]

well let's use serca as an example since it's current

[mystic sphinx]

you dont know if the title owner is legitimate player or a stupid fuck who got carried into the end

and so gatekeeping by titles

is stupid

[runic siren]

in a 4 man raid the odds are lower that someone is carried

so just because a imo minority people buy the title it devalues the title entirely?

like if you had 1 hour to raid and 2 people equal cp applied and one had doloris

and one had 10x

you wouldn't care?

[mystic sphinx]

the devaluation doesnt come from people bussing

[runic siren]

would you go out of your way to choose the 10x title?

just to prove a point?

[mystic sphinx]

its because gatekeeping by titles as a concept is just stupid asf

[runic siren]

why

[mystic sphinx]

wdym why

[runic siren]

why is it stupid

[mystic sphinx]

why is having a title a proof of concept for your skills

[wise pasture]

having to restart 10+ timer per every gate in reclear doesnt really make for fun experience while having to do job of half the lobby yourself every single run, speaking from experience

[runic siren]

how is it not?

the only issue with the system is that there's only week 1 title or 10x title

[wise pasture]

they should just show raid stats

[runic siren]

kazeros had it right with 5x title

[worldly hawk]

[runic siren]

CC meant very little very fast

[mystic sphinx]

i learned armoche on my first learning run, even started teaching the next week, i have no title for clearing 10x because i just did the raid and i am too comfortable to teach it, but i dont have its title, am i trash?

[worldly hawk]

we cleared right on bers

[runic siren]

and now no one cares and no one had fomo

death incarnate is equal or better than CC first month or so

but now we only have doloris or 10x any difficulty title

[worldly hawk]

every title is worthless imo because they can be bought

[mystic sphinx]

armoche is also 10x any?

[runic siren]

it's a probability game

it's not binary

[wintry depot]

Yes

[worldly hawk]

i don't gatekeep after titles, i gatekeep after your char is geared

if you're below median cp for your ilvl = Decline

[wintry depot]

Most people do the same

[mystic sphinx]

have doloris but suck at the game, did you gain 30 seconds in the raid?

[runic siren]

the odds of a week 1 clear of better performance is higher however you want to weight it

[desert plank]

i mean

[wintry depot]

I dont get gatekep because i dont have cc

Just look good and youll be taken

[desert plank]

gatekeeping is a long-standing debate

[wintry depot]

Or do your lobby

[worldly hawk]

you're either the one gatekeeping or you're not a rat

[desert plank]

if you can't use titles for gatekeeping, they'll use roster levels, achievements, gems, engravings, stronghold level, hardware info, blood type—you get my point.

[runic siren]

some people just want to say all titles are worthless for some reason

[desert plank]

i just pick any decent player and gamba my raid

[wintry depot]

Im hungry

[runic siren]

i mean answer the question tho

[mystic sphinx]

i had shadowmoon market island una task title Colorful for a whole week or two and my gk never got gatekept because of her high end cp

[runic siren]

two people apply: equal cp. one has doloris one has no title

[mystic sphinx]

going by only titles is dumb

i take no title

[runic siren]

you choose randomly?

hahaha

[mystic sphinx]

if they apply at once

and i get to choose

i choose titleless

[runic siren]

and you only do it to prove your point

[wise pasture]

[runic siren]

lmao

and then you get jailed

[mystic sphinx]

i dont give a fuck about titles???????

if he has a doloris

he got it in a static or was lucky pug

[wintry depot]

Ill choose the better skin

[mystic sphinx]

negatively

same cp, title and no title

those are not the ONLY variables

question is faulty

[runic siren]

i mean. after i got doloris i joined 3 reclear hm lobbies instantly and cleared smoothly

[mystic sphinx]

but

[runic siren]

so you do you man

[mystic sphinx]

my most important variable

is gender

if its a male

i am insta declining

[wintry depot]

[mystic sphinx]

before he even applies

[obtuse oyster]

W

[mystic sphinx]

fuck that shit

[queen grail]

New PB

[wintry depot]

Females doesnt exist on the internet

[mystic sphinx]

i mean the class

[runic siren]

so titles indeed have value

[mystic sphinx]

they dont have value

people are just stupid

[runic siren]

i mean i'm not arguing with you

[mystic sphinx]

its like saying skins give you power so theyre valuable

which they do

which is also stupid

[runic siren]

i'm arguing with zyla's opinion that titles have 0 value

[wintry depot]

Buying title has value frfr

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[wintry depot]

Titles doesnt have much value because people can buy them

Logs are a better metric

[wise pasture]

im no longer taking abyss lords unless i know them for example too many dont even know basic mechs

[wintry depot]

But youre na so you dont have meter

[mystic sphinx]

if a title has nothing going on with it like just "Doloris" is, its absolute garbage
then look at "Kazeros Top X" titles, that shit makes me wet

its shiny

[wintry depot]

XD

I cant, i have severe skill issue

Yep

Peetty much

[runic siren]

yeah it's not binary. but title having 0 value is ridiculous

[wintry depot]

Nightmare bus are 3m

So cheap

[runic siren]

i only put on what gets me into lobbies the fastest

[mystic sphinx]

i have 10x mordum title, i dont know g2 mechs, title doesnt teach me the mechs

[slow saddle]

titles do have value in the end, its just not 0 value and it obv varies

just because certain people can get carried through OR buy a title, doesnt mean it's just 0 in the end

[wintry depot]

titles do have value in the end, its just not 0 value and it obv varies

just because certain people can get carried through OR buy a title, doesnt mean it's just 0 in the end

Sorry too tempting

[mystic sphinx]

its not even as long

to be a copypasta

[slow saddle]

LOL

it doesnt look good enough as a copypasta

wait

[wintry depot]

Its long on mobile

[slow saddle]

can i make it into one

NAW HOLD UP

I GOT THIS

please

[desert plank]

will be 100% honest, i pick no title one

[desert plank]

why? u may ask

[wintry depot]

Yea

[mystic sphinx]

not even an iphone

[slow saddle]

HOLD UP

[desert plank]

im that player who join learning parties and try to help noob and weak players to learn and enjoy the game.

[wintry depot]

But im not on pc

[slow saddle]

let AI finish making it into copypasta version

[desert plank]

🫂 now hug me

[slow saddle]

Titles do have value in the end, it’s just not zero value and obviously varies depending on context, effort, and how it was earned, and people tend to oversimplify that nuance into extremes that don’t really hold up. Just because some individuals can get carried through content or outright buy a title doesn’t magically reduce every instance of that title to nothing, it just introduces variance in what it represents from person to person. The existence of low-effort or paid paths doesn’t erase the legitimacy of those who earned it through skill, consistency, or leadership, it just muddies perception. Value isn’t binary here, it’s a spectrum shaped by how the title was achieved and how it’s demonstrated afterward. If anything, it shifts the burden onto the individual to prove what their title actually means in practice rather than relying on the label alone. Treating all titles as worthless because of edge cases is just as inaccurate as assuming they always reflect high skill.

[mystic sphinx]

Titles do have value in the end, it’s just not zero value and obviously varies depending on context, effort, and how it was earned, and people tend to oversimplify that nuance into extremes that don’t really hold up. Just because some individuals can get carried through content or outright buy a title doesn’t magically reduce every instance of that title to nothing, it just introduces variance in what it represents from person to person. The existence of low-effort or paid paths doesn’t erase the legitimacy of those who earned it through skill, consistency, or leadership, it just muddies perception. Value isn’t binary here, it’s a spectrum shaped by how the title was achieved and how it’s demonstrated afterward. If anything, it shifts the burden onto the individual to prove what their title actually means in practice rather than relying on the label alone. Treating all titles as worthless because of edge cases is just as inaccurate as assuming they always reflect high skill.

[undone summit]

Titles do have value in the end, it’s just not zero value and obviously varies depending on context, effort, and how it was earned, and people tend to oversimplify that nuance into extremes that don’t really hold up. Just because some individuals can get carried through content or outright buy a title doesn’t magically reduce every instance of that title to nothing, it just introduces variance in what it represents from person to person. The existence of low-effort or paid paths doesn’t erase the legitimacy of those who earned it through skill, consistency, or leadership, it just muddies perception. Value isn’t binary here, it’s a spectrum shaped by how the title was achieved and how it’s demonstrated afterward. If anything, it shifts the burden onto the individual to prove what their title actually means in practice rather than relying on the label alone. Treating all titles as worthless because of edge cases is just as inaccurate as assuming they always reflect high skill.

[wintry depot]

Titles do have value in the end, it’s just not zero value and obviously varies depending on context, effort, and how it was earned, and people tend to oversimplify that nuance into extremes that don’t really hold up. Just because some individuals can get carried through content or outright buy a title doesn’t magically reduce every instance of that title to nothing, it just introduces variance in what it represents from person to person. The existence of low-effort or paid paths doesn’t erase the legitimacy of those who earned it through skill, consistency, or leadership, it just muddies perception. Value isn’t binary here, it’s a spectrum shaped by how the title was achieved and how it’s demonstrated afterward. If anything, it shifts the burden onto the individual to prove what their title actually means in practice rather than relying on the label alone. Treating all titles as worthless because of edge cases is just as inaccurate as assuming they always reflect high skill.

[desert plank]

AYO 😮

[mystic sphinx]

a worthy opponent

[wintry depot]

Holy yap

[slow saddle]

LMAO there we go, i love yall

[runic siren]

yeah so you're willing spend more time on a raid you're in the minority

[runic siren]

this is why GPU prices are rocketing

[mystic sphinx]

a mod joined a chat flood

[wintry depot]

So fucking long

[mystic sphinx]

demote? tots?

[mystic sphinx]

nah

the reason is AI chibi youtube shorts

[slow saddle]

instead of increasing ram prices, how bout you increase your combat power?

[obtuse oyster]

Titles do have value in the end, it’s just not zero value and obviously varies depending on context, effort, and how it was earned, and people tend to oversimplify that nuance into extremes that don’t really hold up. Just because some individuals can get carried through content or outright buy a title doesn’t magically reduce every instance of that title to nothing, it just introduces variance in what it represents from person to person. The existence of low-effort or paid paths doesn’t erase the legitimacy of those who earned it through skill, consistency, or leadership, it just muddies perception. Value isn’t binary here, it’s a spectrum shaped by how the title was achieved and how it’s demonstrated afterward. If anything, it shifts the burden onto the individual to prove what their title actually means in practice rather than relying on the label alone. Treating all titles as worthless because of edge cases is just as inaccurate as assuming they always reflect high skill.

[slow saddle]

[midnight marlin]

Titles do have value in the end, it’s just not zero value and obviously varies depending on context, effort, and how it was earned, and people tend to oversimplify that nuance into extremes that don’t really hold up. Just because some individuals can get carried through content or outright buy a title doesn’t magically reduce every instance of that title to nothing, it just introduces variance in what it represents from person to person. The existence of low-effort or paid paths doesn’t erase the legitimacy of those who earned it through skill, consistency, or leadership, it just muddies perception. Value isn’t binary here, it’s a spectrum shaped by how the title was achieved and how it’s demonstrated afterward. If anything, it shifts the burden onto the individual to prove what their title actually means in practice rather than relying on the label alone. Treating all titles as worthless because of edge cases is just as inaccurate as assuming they always reflect high skill.

[wintry depot]

Youre so late
...

[slow saddle]

more

[obtuse oyster]

sue me

[wintry depot]

Losers

[mystic sphinx]

[midnight marlin]

i just got out of shower

[neon cedar]

Titles do have value in the end, it’s just not zero value and obviously varies depending on context, effort, and how it was earned, and people tend to oversimplify that nuance into extremes that don’t really hold up. Just because some individuals can get carried through content or outright buy a title doesn’t magically reduce every instance of that title to nothing, it just introduces variance in what it represents from person to person. The existence of low-effort or paid paths doesn’t erase the legitimacy of those who earned it through skill, consistency, or leadership, it just muddies perception. Value isn’t binary here, it’s a spectrum shaped by how the title was achieved and how it’s demonstrated afterward. If anything, it shifts the burden onto the individual to prove what their title actually means in practice rather than relying on the label alone. Treating all titles as worthless because of edge cases is just as inaccurate as assuming they always reflect high skill.

[midnight marlin]

what do you want from me

[desert plank]

imagine ur pc specs improves CP lol

[wintry depot]

Was it good shower

[mystic sphinx]

computing power

[wintry depot]

I took one 1 hour ago

Fakkin rain

Im a clown

Fisg

Fish

[slow saddle]

social validation yeah, thats stupid imo LOL

[wintry depot]

Cat

[neon cedar]

I have Fashion Slayer title to impress everyone

[wintry depot]

https://tenor.com/view/เฟี้ยว-ไอ้เฟี้ยว-ไอ้เฟี้ยวบ้าพลัง-cat-fear-gif-19524191

[slow saddle]

but for a general rundown of 'some' competence, putting the 'exceptions' aside, is fine

[wintry depot]

STOP BULLYING ME

[mystic sphinx]

cat fish

[wintry depot]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[queen grail]

?
🍂IceeWinter🍂 [︶︿︶], Role icon, Bard Main — 22:55
Titles do have value in the end, it’s just not zero value and obviously varies depending on context, effort, and how it was earned, and people tend to oversimplify that nuance into extremes that don’t really hold up. Just because some individuals can get carried through content or outright buy a title doesn’t magically reduce every instance of that title to nothing, it just introduces variance in what it represents from person to person. The existence of low-effort or paid paths doesn’t erase the legitimacy of those who earned it through skill, consistency, or leadership, it just muddies perception. Value isn’t binary here, it’s a spectrum shaped by how the title was achieved and how it’s demonstrated afterward. If anything, it shifts the burden onto the individual to prove what their title actually means in practice rather than relying on the label alone. Treating all titles as worthless because of edge cases is just as inaccurate as assuming they always reflect high skill.
൱𝒾𝑟𝑟𝒶 ميرا [𝒮𝒲], Role icon, Destiny — 22:55
:PepeLoser:
crzypRole icon, Bard Main — 22:55
Titles do have value in the end, it’s just not zero value and obviously varies depending on context, effort, and how it was earned, and people tend to oversimplify that nuance into extremes that don’t really hold up. Just because some individuals can get carried through content or outright buy a title doesn’t magically reduce every instance of that title to nothing, it just introduces variance in what it represents from person to person. The existence of low-effort or paid paths doesn’t erase the legitimacy of those who earned it through skill, consistency, or leadership, it just muddies perception. Value isn’t binary here, it’s a spectrum shaped by how the title was achieved and how it’s demonstrated afterward. If anything, it shifts the burden onto the individual to prove what their title actually means in practice rather than relying on the label alone. Treating all titles as worthless because of edge cases is just as inaccurate as assuming they always reflect high skill.

Ups.

That was wrong.

[runic siren]

chat agrees it's not binary

[midnight marlin]

that mental route has to be studied

wtf

[runic siren]

ai is too powerful it's over for us

[wintry depot]

I dont have mental

And i dont have a wrist

Gg

[wise pasture]

welcome to prog

[wintry depot]

Welcome to carpal tunnel

[wise pasture]

[wise pasture]

that is why I cant prog on my dps

have to play with pala due to lower cpm

[mystic sphinx]

delete pala

[wintry depot]

I mean i dont think my class has giga apm

But i make it

Because im spamming like a dumbass

[runic siren]

mashing makes the skill cast faster

[wintry depot]

So instead of

[slender sky]

man can this headache fade off, didnt get to prog coz my head hurts

[wintry depot]

Doing 3 hops

I will do like 10

[wise pasture]

🦜

[wintry depot]

Same for every other skills

[slender sky]

fk u

[wintry depot]

Im hungry

[wintry depot]

We are twins, my hand hurts

You progging hm btw or nmr?

[queen grail]

@wintry depot Do you run max MP on Artist even with food?

[wintry depot]

No

I dont use food

[slender sky]

ive gotten the brain from both

[queen grail]

How do you not go oom

[wintry depot]

Maxmp is enough

[neon cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-13399313231964052110

[queen grail]

Oh, I mean with no Max Mp

[wintry depot]

Ah

Yeah i need food.without it

XD

[slender sky]

hm on alt, left nmr just in case but i dont think im gonna bother tbh

[wintry depot]

You can join us in hm

No stagger clan

[dull obsidian]

637m disberief..

[viscid forge]

anyone able to clear serca with a lobby of 1800s or 1900s?

[wise pasture]

my zerk is like 200-220apm for 50-55cpm in game

[wintry depot]

How do yoi check apm

Becaise i think it would be funny

[wise pasture]

i had extra tool on pc for that for some time

[wintry depot]

Oh

I see

[slender sky]

im used to it thats how every of my prog lobbies looked so far, but i dont think it matters much

[dull obsidian]

I have what ever this is on actual meter

so arouund 690

[slender sky]

you can afford even one semi deadweight

[wintry depot]

Imagine being able to jg rumble

[worldly hawk]

what

[runic hill]

ugly fkn title but i gotta wear it, i want it to be Witch of Agony Q_Q

can we bully AGS into changing it?

[wise pasture]

not even that hard, just hug really tight and watch

[worldly hawk]

what can't you disberief

[runic hill]

we got "thunderbolt master" changed xd

[worldly hawk]

[cinder mango]

🦜

[runic hill]

its my fastest clear for all timed titles tbh

[dull obsidian]

Its supposed to be unclearable

[runic hill]

its just a really high DPS check

gotta grind it out for a good pull if you are not overgeared

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[viscid forge]

its not a difficulot raid in terms of mechanics. but dps check is not doable by majority of the playerbase especially when they miss rumble jgs

[runic hill]

we cleared both G1 and G2 with our worst rumbles

[slender sky]

i never understood why sg doesnt profit off optics more, you could do so much cool stuff with guild names, titles, weapon glows etc

[dull obsidian]

we could never break into 3rd rumble on our nightmare

[runic hill]

just didnt chaindie for no reason at the end

[dull obsidian]

the issue of a 4.5k cp party

[runic hill]

its also a bit of class issue tbh

if you have a class that cant do intermediate burst into full burst rumble is rough atm

[dull obsidian]

we were RE blade EW Deadeye Hunger reaper

lol

where burst

https://tenor.com/view/wuwa-phoebe-wuwa-phoebe-wuthering-waves-peak-gif-18088971692301989518

[worldly hawk]

but it's not....

[wise pasture]

also known as zero burst

[worldly hawk]

[dull obsidian]

closest we got was like

[wise pasture]

it is very far from unclearable

[dull obsidian]

168/180b?

that doesn't give title

you need both nmr

[runic hill]

ye

but you can do it on seperate chars

if you struggle on G1 on 1 class and G2 the other class is better for you then you can just do 1 of each

[dull obsidian]

g1 is not hard tho

what classes suffer

I can't think of a class that could have a bad g1

[worldly hawk]

FA is CBT is G2

[wise pasture]

none

[worldly hawk]

because he

[runic hill]

punisher slayer felt insanely broken and easy on G1

ye cleared everything on shit pulls

[dull obsidian]

I mean...

my alt did almost more than my main

[runic hill]

best pulls never clear for me week 1

[dull obsidian]

I was 606/860m or something

my alt was 558/683m

[runic hill]

i had a G1 pull of nearly 800 ofc we wiped

[dull obsidian]

no?

[runic hill]

G1 is 615

[dull obsidian]

the min is nowhere near the expected mins

[runic hill]

its 660 on paper but cutscenes make it 615 cause meter doesnt stop

[dull obsidian]

yeh that is omega cap

lol

[runic hill]

G2 is like 820 or something if you account for cutscenes

[dull obsidian]

I'm so much better at serka than I was on my nmr clear

gg...

[runic hill]

we had like 830 average and we had 15 sec or something

[dull obsidian]

we killed in enrage for 30s?

we killed on the shit start ofc we did

[runic hill]

i always int on my clears week 1

i guess my kazeros was fine

i was top DPS on my kazeros

[dull obsidian]

my kaz was pretty good too

[runic hill]

its the fkn law

[dull obsidian]

for a week 1

[runic hill]

armoche i was doing 400 for like 2 hours straight

i die once

we clear

i was so pissed

[dull obsidian]

dude

our start on the clear pull

[runic hill]

i was like 150m below the previous pull and then we had worst rumble too

[dull obsidian]

was 2 people getting grabbed -> rain -> walk away

RAHHHHH

[runic hill]

[queen grail]

11x G1 @swift magnet @wintry depot @obtuse oyster

[dull obsidian]

oh

were you guys breaking into the third rumble?

we werent

[runic hill]

we got it like once in G1

[worldly hawk]

we were close pretty much all the time

but we never got it in G2

[runic hill]

and on G2 i swapped from alt to main cause i never could align my cooldowns for all the mechs

[viscid forge]

3rd rumble? wtf

[lethal wasp]

do we know if DPS meter is coming back?says to pm.Venom lol

[viscid forge]

people gte inot multiple rumbles?

[dull obsidian]

for guards we weren't really hitting them

we did 1 rumble

[runic hill]

we had like 3 only on every pull in G2

ye

[dull obsidian]

OH the inside guards

[runic hill]

on my sorc i couldnt fit 2nd igniter that way

[dull obsidian]

yeh we always had 10s

[runic hill]

it always ended after my first or 2nd DD

[dull obsidian]

our classes just fucking suck for it

3 consistent dps classes

[runic hill]

so no PS Exp T 3rd DD

[dull obsidian]

no one is bursting 2nd bar

[runic hill]

it killed my DPS so hard

nah its totally doable on consistent DPS

we got within like 10b with 3 guards only

[dull obsidian]

our avg combat was below 4.5k

[runic hill]

with surge predator and NE

[dull obsidian]

idk

I was not playing surge

[runic hill]

on my 3.7k igniter i can do like 60% alone of the bar (if we somewhen ever will get 4 guards xD)

[dull obsidian]

what

really?

[runic hill]

ye

[dull obsidian]

in nightmare?

[runic hill]

ye

you can squeeze A TON out of it if you minmax it properly

[swift magnet]

lets goooo

[queen grail]

8 dark bombs+ per run now

[runic hill]

but the issue was on sorc it was just too hard to not get knocked always have bar for all mechs not fk up cycling

which is why we just said "fk G2 we only do 1 nightmare" and i swapped to main

we just didnt wanna spend all week just for 1 extra clear

when its gonna be free in 2 weeks

[devout nymph]

my pugs hate coutnering in guardian

[wintry depot]

idk, but for me, its just skill issue

[wise pasture]

what ist his about?

[midnight marlin]

hover it

[wintry depot]

i have big skill issue xd

[kind oriole]

#enragesquad

[midnight marlin]

now read it

[dull obsidian]

the lower your contribution score

the stronger your dps are compared to you

lol

even if your uptime is good

[runic hill]

tell DPS to play with red weapon = instant 100

like you actually get a 100 even with 60-60-10

[wise pasture]

so my party sucks and my buffs are good I guess idk

[runic hill]

if your DPS weapon is red xd

its basically depending your atk power vs your DPS atk power and how much you inflate your CP on sup with defense

cause you are compared to ppl in same bracket ofc

if your CP comes from HP and shield power your buffs are weaker in relation to what others have at that CP

[obtuse oyster]

hm feels soooo free compared to nightmare

[wintry depot]

do for me

[runic hill]

we onetapped HM on the chars we dropped for nightmare

[runic hill]

just ran it over

[vagrant cradle]

[runic hill]

full inting the entire pull

still ran it over

nightmare prog really ruins HM xd

its an enjoyable raid tho even if HM is very easy already

[wintry depot]

oh john cleared nmr too

i missed it

[obtuse oyster]

yeah yesterday

[wintry depot]

i went to sleep

well no

[queen grail]

Yes, HM was like, less than an hour in G1 first time lol

[wintry depot]

i went to cry in bed because pain

[obtuse oyster]

wat da helly

[wise pasture]

welcome to my life

[wintry depot]

carpal tunnel

i was in big pain last night

[obtuse oyster]

ahhh mood

[wintry depot]

now its a bit better

bought something for it today

[obtuse oyster]

I was feeling it in my left hand with that 9hr prog

we had like maybe 20mins of down time for breaks

[wintry depot]

i had zero down time

[devout nymph]

my group cleared nightmare in 3h, after we finished our 5 hm runs

[wintry depot]

but i dont rmemeber how long we were at it

[midnight marlin]

ice your shit

[runic hill]

the raid is just the polar opposite of kazeros

[devout nymph]

alot easier if you got used to it from hardmode

[runic hill]

easiest shit with omega DPS check and kazeros was a decently hard raid without any DPS check

[devout nymph]

kazeros jsut needed checkpoints

[wintry depot]

yeye youre all gamers

[devout nymph]

seeing 2-2 or 2-3 after 20-30minutes not a great design

[wintry depot]

fuck you

[runic hill]

i'll go do that and i'll look at my title while i do it

i think gates like that just need a practice mode tbh

[obtuse oyster]

he did 5hm before his nm

[runic hill]

its just not healthy

[devout nymph]

no you are gaming you jsut havent found the right ppl yet

[obtuse oyster]

I did nm first

[dull obsidian]

I'm ready for regulus to have 6-1 6-2 6-3 and then a secret brelshaza 5/6 moment and just be an actual full gate

[wintry depot]

not sure

[midnight marlin]

erm

ice your wrists

carpal tunnel no joke

[obtuse oyster]

not my wirst

[devout nymph]

honestly this fight on support is pretty free

[obtuse oyster]

my hand was slowly cramping up

[wintry depot]

but yeah tomorrow i will take a bit mroe break

[runic hill]

i progged a raid that had a combat time of like 50 min once

[slender sky]

heal me braden im not doing so good

[wise pasture]

I generall submerge my hands into icecold water every 30mins during prog

[mystic basin]

did they forget to add a serca button on t4 map

[wintry depot]

since my body is fragile like a grandma

[runic hill]

to get the last 10 min took like 1 month just cause getting there was such a pain

[mystic basin]

or what

[midnight marlin]

do your guide quest

[obtuse oyster]

differnet ui

you need to do the guide quest

[slender sky]

https://giphy.com/gifs/basedchadhq-crypto-chad-based-yHbyOh7uv7BYGVyGT4

[mystic basin]

on all chars?

[midnight marlin]

ye

[obtuse oyster]

then you get this ui

[mystic basin]

oh

[wintry depot]

depends of your teammates tbh

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/chomp-bite-arm-gif-7083692912057941766

[wintry depot]

but i dont think its hard on supp yeah

well on artist at least

[midnight marlin]

its not hard but im sending buffs into wall mech in g1

[slender sky]

sneak attack

[midnight marlin]

its hard when i do that

[runic hill]

our artist was just perma giggling about his push immunity and infinite shield on us

[wintry depot]

yeah

xDD

the push immunity is so funny

[runic hill]

while i had to run for my fkn life for the first few ours on my alt

cause everything just onetapped me

it was so stressful

[mystic basin]

hold on do i need to have done inherited will for it?

[wintry depot]

my bf is playing ws, hes not having fun lol

[runic hill]

ignite was terrible

i wish i didnt hate reflux ark grid

[midnight marlin]

maybe? i already did on all my alts so idk

[wintry depot]

so i tell him to do nightmare on reflux? xD

[mystic basin]

ok lemme see for science

[wintry depot]

yes

[runic hill]

like if i had my reflux build i used on kazeros i would have been omega happy

[wintry depot]

you need to have done the msq

[mystic basin]

oh bruh

[runic hill]

but thats not supported via ark grid

[mystic basin]

-36k gold

[runic hill]

so i cant play it anymore and im igniter now

[wintry depot]

that was available one month ago

xdd

[obtuse oyster]

time to hone the armors, real

[midnight marlin]

id rather run th 1 hour than spend 36k wtf

[wintry depot]

its not even 1 hour

[devout nymph]

i mean in the sense theres barely any pattern that punishes you, with heavy armor you can ltierally eat 95% of the stuff unpunished

[wintry depot]

its fukcing 30mins ish XD

[mystic basin]

small price to pay for laziness

[devout nymph]

not that bad with stacks as well

[wintry depot]

oh yeah it was funny as hell

[swift magnet]

yay

[devout nymph]

liek i kept facetanking the ironmaiden in the middle because it doesnt do damage with awk+some DR

[wintry depot]

i still tanked the most shits in g1

[devout nymph]

so many things trivial

[runic hill]

i fkn envy you guys

[wintry depot]

but ill say its fuckign skill issue

[runic hill]

playing on iLv squishy class is pain

when the boss looks at you weird and u just die

[wintry depot]

hehehehehehehehe

[obtuse oyster]

om

[runic hill]

reroll to SH angle just so i dont suffer in prog anymore

maybe thats why i did so well on kazeros cause reflux is good to prog

[wintry depot]

my bf refused to prog on artillerist because he would just facetank everything and not learn

[runic hill]

i went down the drain every prog with surge

[midnight marlin]

plus most people prob honed weapon so armor is down like 5-10 ilevel

[wintry depot]

na you needed on ilvl armor

to transfer gear

[runic hill]

boss dodged stacks, boss turned into me during surge, boss dashed out of my surge wahoo

[obtuse oyster]

ez pz

[runic hill]

ye i still have a 19 piece on my GS with the serca gear for it

i didnt know i thought we only needed adv40

[obtuse oyster]

20 and ah 40

[runic hill]

waiting for hellkey fix so i can farm more fusions

[obtuse oyster]

think it was in the notes

[runic hill]

cause im not gonna craft or buy fusions lmao

[queen grail]

No wep?

[obtuse oyster]

from the cube exchange?

cause you get the new mats from keys at 1730

[runic hill]

i still had a few old keys

but u cant use them atm

[obtuse oyster]

ahhh

gotcha

[runic hill]

and since i didnt get it until 44% artisan

[obtuse oyster]

I'm doing armor on alts

[runic hill]

i ran out of fusions

[cursive ruin]

what's going on

4 +9 esthers today

[runic hill]

i already cleared my run so might as well wait until fix

[obtuse oyster]

cheaper cost to hone compared to weapon

[runic hill]

you can do 2 armors week 1

and still get weapon after G1 week 2

might be worth for some ppl

if you have a weak char that u wanna upgrade for week 1 during the run

[swift magnet]

broke 😛

[midnight marlin]

thats 179 that could be mine

hand it over

[swift magnet]

[runic hill]

i have 14m

xddd

didnt spend in so long

[swift magnet]

i have silver

[mystic basin]

your always either roke or have like 2mil

[swift magnet]

[wise pasture]

🐳

[runic hill]

in earlier T4 stages i used to pingpong between 0 gold and 7m

[swift magnet]

most of the time broke xD

[slow saddle]

i cant wait to sink it out next week on wep

[dull obsidian]

can someone show me

how much lumber you need to craft new abidos

owo

[runic hill]

always saved up a bunch then we had 1 pricedrop for some event or something

[tulip charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/878628440419479593.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[runic hill]

and i instantly rushed all 7m down the drain

[tulip charm]

cleared, g2 took half the time as g1, almost 4 hours

the dps check is real though, we got the best rumble possible, 2 bars and all jg hit, and he still enraged at 6 bars, paladin hypered and we pushed with everything, used all 3 atros and 3 darks

[runic hill]

the DPS check probably isnt that bad its just rough on prog cause its omega easy to lose a lot compared to a clean run

our best pulls were so far above minimum its crazy but it rarely went well

i think once ppl are comfy on the important parts DPS will go very fast

[uncut dirge]

EOS

nvm

everyone in our group DCd

[dull obsidian]

atro 195
atro cone
atro rumble

boss is dead

[slender sky]

uhm

[rotund moss]

lmao

[runic hill]

a ton of ppl just DCd

[slender sky]

did servers just die

[runic hill]

xd

[runic hill]

i didnt but a lot of my friends did

[mystic basin]

[dull obsidian]

why are you crafting that many

LOL

[wintry depot]

im still online

[dull obsidian]

@wintry depot

[slender sky]

it doesnt even put me back to server selection

[wintry depot]

why not

[mystic basin]

ok wait it might just be eu

[dull obsidian]

show me new abidos crafting

[wintry depot]

is the question

[mystic basin]

[dull obsidian]

its not tradable

you're using all those

[wintry depot]

yes i know

[slender sky]

i just have a blank screen, no server selection xdd

[dull obsidian]

SHOW ME NEW ABIDOS CRAFT

RAHHHH

[devout nymph]

we enraged as well, but with support hyper you ahve a decent amount of time you can still dps + rezzes

[wintry depot]

i didnt research it

[devout nymph]

its somewhat leniant in that sense

[runic hill]

i had that like 2 months ago and then i got forced onto NA because "EU IS OFFLINE"

[dull obsidian]

arnadum...

[runic hill]

xddddd

[swift magnet]

best sertvers

me and kat dc

[runic hill]

we enraged a few pulls before clear cause we had 4 deaths

and we lived enrage for a solid minute

wiped on 5 bars in enrage i think

[swift magnet]

rewarded for dc

[runic hill]

instant compensation

[wintry depot]

i wont need to craft for a while after, its pog

[runic hill]

and more compensation than AGS provided since launch gg

[swift magnet]

xD

[fading barn]

no reward for dc

[runic hill]

🙁 that shit is just messed up

[fading barn]

no ticket to go back in g2...

[runic hill]

ye i hate this

my friend got DCd in G2 kaz during hidden armen once

and i felt sad about it for like 3 weeks

cause its so unfair

u cant even do anything

randoms dont accept the revote and its gg

this should have been fixed years ago it only mattered cause of akkan G3 NM infinite bus exploit

[wise pasture]

I got the same now

[slender sky]

yea i think servers just kicked the can or something

[fading barn]

the fact is we killed it and no way to redo the gate

[tulip charm]

maybe this is a bug, or intended feature in g2

DO NOT CHAIR UP at 120bars in g2
your mini turrets will auto fire on the fake clones, spawning infinite red puddle waves and wipe the raid lol

[slender sky]

since ags knows the contract doesnt get renewed the server racks for loa got moved to the rest room instead of server room

[runic hill]

i think AGS has been peeing on the servers for months now

the random DCs started like 8 weeks ago or something in EU

[mortal burrow]

LMAO

[runic hill]

just dont move anymore 5Head

get a bloodshower

[mortal burrow]

the hovering is bugged

but other than that

the mech is normal

[runic hill]

wdym hovering is bugged u mean mouse hover?

[swift magnet]

grab all the gold

[steel minnow]

damn team dced in g2 serca now no ticket

unlaki

[obtuse oyster]

unlaki

[mortal burrow]

y'all might be blind then

but nah i think

ive seen some clones have like armor or some shit

it was weird

but now i start looking at the color of the body

im not sure how high or low your brightness is tho

[tulip charm]

one instance of this happened, i hover my mouse didn't change to sword, so i called it

but apparently it was fake

this only happened once though, maybe i just fked up, i am not sure

[runic hill]

i do it with mouse over and only if i see 2 swords i check

i never had the mouse hover fail personally

[charred void]

👍

[runic hill]

im 7 clears deep now and mouse hover worked every time

[slow saddle]

for the sword/mouse thing

it has to be done quickly

and depending on your UI/interface, you need to make sure you aren't checking near the edges of your screen

[inner merlin]

ffs anyone else get annoyed when the game fully closes u for when ur internet drops for literally a few seconds

[mortal burrow]

facking eac

[inner merlin]

2nd time fucking tdy shits pissing me off

not eac just internet randomly dropping

[slow saddle]

things like a quest window, can create issues

Theres boxes of things we 'can't' see that causes issues

[inner merlin]

and the game decides it doesnt want to just go the menu

it has to close the whole thing

hopefully i dont get jailed g2

[dull flame]

the hell is limit break?

[slow saddle]

on your evolution tree, 2nd row

[dull flame]

not that

for the new weapon honing

[obtuse oyster]

W

now nightmare

[slow saddle]

oh that, we have to unlock a 2nd time

they cap the max potential

[mortal burrow]

i was told that internet issues d/cing you is sometimes b/c of eac

[slow saddle]

thats all it is

[mortal burrow]

goinmg offline briefly

[dull flame]

how?

[fresh flint]

Oh you mean that invisible wall all the way to the right of my screen?!

[slow saddle]

yeah its ass

[fresh flint]

It really is

[mortal burrow]

@slow saddle OMFG

you just reminded me

sometimes when i was doing mordum and i would stop moving

because i pressed the quest ! on the bottom

and died

LMAO

[fresh flint]

I know that sniper skill is annoying to use if the boss decides to dash right side

[slow saddle]

if you have things minimized, its even worst

[swift magnet]

💀

[slow saddle]

like i had the right side clones, i made sure to be in between them

[tulip charm]

where's mine

[wintry depot]

gg

[slow saddle]

so the way id check would give enough room for a diagonal/more vertical check

[swift magnet]

here

[runic hill]

silver me up UwU rerolling my 10 all the time is expensive

[swift magnet]

[inner merlin]

oh true now that i think of it i only had this happen when i play apex or this game

[runic hill]

i cant afford 4 level 10s :<

[inner merlin]

probably eac

[runic hill]

eac prevents cheating by preventing the game

[tulip charm]

thats all i got, and i saved 5 weeks for this silver

[wise pasture]

I used about 300mil for the last 4 weks worth of keys alone

[queen grail]

I FUCKING HATE THAT ONE ONE SHOT MOVE IN G!

G1*

[wise pasture]

the side scythe

[swift magnet]

[wise pasture]

ye, it can be ass if boss dashes offscreen

[queen grail]

Yea.

[swift magnet]

yay soon

[slender sky]

are we safe again

or servers still shitting the bed

[charred void]

had 2 people dc while we were at g2 hm 120 bars

the logged in again and could revive

[still wedge]

Do you guys like Kazeros?

[charred void]

ye he's kinda cute ngl

[mystic sphinx]

i like Arkia

[slender sky]

how long ago?

[charred void]

like 30min idk

[slender sky]

ah yea kk thats when everyone dced

[tulip charm]

yea i am not gonna be able to do this for another 2 weeks i guess

[fresh flint]

buy the box?

[uncut dirge]

@tulip charm that you?

[swift magnet]

am broke again xD

[tulip charm]

[swift magnet]

[tulip charm]

this guy's been around for a long time though

[runic hill]

early on prog she knocked me away i spacebarred into vision again and just saw the red windup

and i was like THIS HAS TURNED INTO A DIFFICULT SITUATION

[swift magnet]

lets see how much i burn. i nee dsunwell

[wintry depot]

maybe i crafted too much

[queen grail]

Nah.

You chuck em constantly UwU

[tulip charm]

the problem is depending on what angle shes standing/swinging the scythe from, its really hard to tell where the safespot is

[wise pasture]

yeah, i know that exact situation

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[tulip charm]

you have another option is to just run way outside

the scythe dosn't hit the full screen, only about 60% of it

[swift magnet]

13m

[tulip charm]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-the-fuck-is-this-wth-gif-17571836

[swift magnet]

[wintry depot]

i wanted to hone alt

nvm

ok 13 was fast

[runic hill]

its not that bad until 16

17-19 is fine as well if you dont pity

[wintry depot]

ill keep gold for main

[fresh flint]

and the shit prog journey begins

people joining for 3 tries

and then leaving

kill me

[runic hill]

^im so happy i did it with friends

i really enjoyed the prog

cause we just helped eachother

[fresh flint]

We're only progging with 1 random

[slender sky]

good luck frand

[fresh flint]

That's the issue

[runic hill]

no toxic "why u only do 700m this pull, u died once im leaving, 6k+ CP"

just playing and progging and working as a team

[fresh flint]

and now we have a giga reflux

1750 full 10s

ok

i give this one 2 pulls

[runic hill]

1.5

he quits 5 min into 2nd pull

[fresh flint]

xDDD

[runic hill]

just logs out during mech xd

[tulip charm]

in a way snow banning meter for everybody is actually a good thing

[wintry depot]

any stream on the discord?

so i can watch

[tulip charm]

now they can actually concentrate doing mechs and learning the raid

[wintry depot]

only na

[swift magnet]

i never have live log on

i see if its shit if i get hit

[runic hill]

ofc im a bit tilted that i cleared both gates on a bad pull but in the end who cares im doing this raid with my friends every week anyways and i'll get plenty of chances to post good parses

[swift magnet]

live meter never interested me

[tulip charm]

some weirdos say they can't clear the raid without meter or prog

try being me and never using it

[swift magnet]

wtf

[runic hill]

xdd i didnt use meter until deep into T4

and i was fine on every content

[swift magnet]

withoput ptog clearing would be a bus

but not clearing without meter?

[tulip charm]

i am not even joking, there is people like that

[swift magnet]

wtf

[runic hill]

i dont even get ppl who are saying they cant improve without meter

[wintry depot]

i mean meter is nice to kick the dead weights

[runic hill]

you legit can record your gameplay and watch it

[wintry depot]

if you have 3 people with you that does good dmg

all good

[swift magnet]

that#s what i am doing

[wintry depot]

but if you get people at 1730 doing 150m dmg

[runic hill]

much better than any meter data that doesnt account for jackshit that happened during the run

[swift magnet]

i need to see what i did wrong

[wintry depot]

weeelll

you cant know that

[runic hill]

you can tbh

[swift magnet]

meter only shows me okay i did smt wrong but not what in detail

[wintry depot]

not really

[runic hill]

if ppl are perma on floor u see they do nothing

[swift magnet]

and saying look at skill casts doesnt tell me anything why i didnt cqast

[tulip charm]

you can, you just have everybody in the discord post their own ingame meter with stagger values

[runic hill]

i always knew who didnt do dmg without bible

[wintry depot]

what if the person is just bad and not floor

just has bad rotation?

[wintry depot]

ok, im talking about pugs not going vc and all

[runic hill]

if you are so bad that u cant even make a proper rotation you are not gonna have no incap and do no other mistakes

[wintry depot]

idk perosnally i dont watch if my teammates are perma floor when i want to learn the boss

i can see them but i dont fix on them

[runic hill]

ye in prog i focus on my own progress too

there is no point changing pugs until you are rtc and actually DPS performance is a reason u cant clear

its better to just keep playing and improving for your own good

[tulip charm]

i just tell my teamates if i am doing something really wrong, give me a shoutout and lmk

no ego prog is best prog

[runic hill]

and if you stay with same ppl u clear faster even with worse players as long as they are not fully hopeless

[runic hill]

true and real

everyone can have good input for everyone

its a teamgame

i dont care if you are the best player someone else can also see something u missed, we all learn on prog

working out solutions together is big value on prog

[slender sky]

had a 1740 doing 200m in g1 and chugging the revives like hot cheetos

[wintry depot]

im hopeless xd

[queen grail]

We are soon 2 feast down on prrog G1 @wintry depot

[tulip charm]

sometimes unexpected solutions can happen in prog too, from certain angles in g1 cerka the redscythe oneshot safespot is really hard to see

[runic hill]

might help if you struggle with something specific to go NM to check the indicator for it

it really helped me when i did my alt roster NMs to reflect on things i saw in nightmare before

[tulip charm]

so when i am wheelchair i i didn't teleport to the safespot

i teleported to narnia to the edge of the screen

1shot dodged

[runic hill]

btw you can even DR the oneshot

[wintry depot]

i struggle 240 and 120

so

[runic hill]

its not instakill

its just huge dmg

[tulip charm]

in nightmare its 1shot i think

not sure on this

[charred void]

its some billion dmg in hard

[runic hill]

it was like 1.5m i think

[charred void]

good luck dr'ing that

[wintry depot]

yeah 1m something

[runic hill]

with shield + big DR u live at full HP

not saying u should

but keep in mind its possible

on that note, if you ever not DR my GK on front i report you im the perfect pug DPS now

[charred void]

i dont dr stupid

[runic hill]

so you dont dr pugs period

i wonder if my GK can just tank it in NM

gotta try next week

[abstract sentinel]

me with the npcs in my stronghold right now:

https://tenor.com/view/richard-attenborough-whip-whipped-whiplash-whiplashed-gif-16685949900343051341

NEED MORE ABIDOS

[wintry depot]

o/

[runic hill]

mine are already down 20+ pills and scroll daily limit

[wintry depot]

ì had 1600 before i pitied xd

hell op

[fresh flint]

I CRI

[abstract sentinel]

arna always lucky

[fresh flint]

WE ALMOST CLEARED

[abstract sentinel]

[fresh flint]

This giga sorc is gigaing

[neon cedar]

"almost" it wasnt even our best clear

[worldly hawk]

[runic hill]

how many bars?

[worldly hawk]

i cleared my HM

[fresh flint]

Hey 60 bars is close

[worldly hawk]

[neon cedar]

77

[wintry depot]

can you stream and i watch

[worldly hawk]

i'm on my 2nd one rn

[fresh flint]

yeds

come

[worldly hawk]

jailed in G2

[runic hill]

we died on 5 bars in G2 before clear

[wintry depot]

its on alt :(

[runic hill]

i dont wanna hear close unless its a rumble fail or single digit bars

[worldly hawk]

77x isn't close

[abstract sentinel]

alts luck doesn't count?

[worldly hawk]

[wintry depot]

never

[worldly hawk]

someone did a little RMTing

[runic hill]

77x is close if you fully ruined rumble and usually get it xd

we deleted those bars the 1 run we got a good rumble in G1

surely next week we get all clean rumbles

[worldly hawk]

we kept wiping on that vine grab pattern

[runic hill]

you mean the spin where she splits?

i had no idea what that was like the first 3 times i saw it cause its so rare xd

[worldly hawk]

no arm up in the air, covers it in vines then slams ground

then does vines explosions that grab you

and the people have to free you with stagger

we wiped to that like 15 times

[runic hill]

u mean the iron maiden?

[modern hatch]

i am

[worldly hawk]

Gate 2

[modern hatch]

300x prog g2

[worldly hawk]

[runic hill]

i was so locked in on G1

xd

ah yes describing patterns to ppl that used different words

[wintry depot]

ye we died on that shit infinite

[runic hill]

its like a different language

[worldly hawk]

that pattern is so terrible

i got rubberbanded so many times

[runic hill]

i cant survive ravens for shit on classes without paraimmune

i see it so late

[obtuse oyster]

@wintry depot @queen grail ez pz

[wintry depot]

yeah crows is also terrible

[wintry depot]

ezzzz

[obtuse oyster]

12 taps from 18 to 20

nbnb

[wintry depot]

ok lucksack

[obtuse oyster]

om

[modern hatch]

BAN HIM

[wintry depot]

is maxroll updated

ok nope

whats the kr website

[worldly hawk]

is it ever going to be

[wintry depot]

why would it not

[worldly hawk]

they never added 19-20 books or +30 +40 scrolls

[wintry depot]

hmm

i see

well wheres the kr one

xd

[worldly hawk]

that i have no idea how to use

caus i don't speak korean

[slender sky]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rigby-rigbycat-ibuprofen-bKEHmhF0YENw8WOd6d

[worldly hawk]

[wintry depot]

send send

[worldly hawk]

ok pray this lobby can clear

[queen grail]

[ebon snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1080923640687763487/1489426851465134141/Screenshot_2026-04-03_022346.png?ex=69e22c99&is=69e0db19&hm=b9166e94ab7e79d99c622af8667f44425c861fbfe6f3d6ba3c4c4f12dc5e9aaf&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[wintry depot]

looks like me irl

[outer thistle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/594830924051513344/796646216549007370/catShower.gif

[queen grail]

If the side swipe scyhthe was not there we would be done

[fresh flint]

[mortal burrow]

poggy

how much cp did ugaun from that?

[worldly hawk]

ok 2nd clear ez pz

[ebon snow]

fr

[wintry depot]

even desert cleared before me, im sad

[worldly hawk]

i'm not doing nightmare tho

[wintry depot]

im not too

[wintry depot]

ok got that one pretty easily

[worldly hawk]

the other group i played with had hands, but not the dps

if that makes sense

they played cleanly just... not pumping enough

[ebon snow]

my gf dies to it every tiem

[worldly hawk]

ok i raided for 12 hours

my brain is mush

time for

[worldly hawk]

2 clear also not 1

my first clear was ~5 hours ago

[mystic basin]

is there a good way to tell teh clone on 120x

that is not the cursor thing

[dull obsidian]

I sent 450k into skins

pog

all for a head piece

and a sword

https://tenor.com/view/wuwa-phoebe-wuwa-phoebe-wuthering-waves-peak-gif-18088971692301989518

[devout nymph]

model detail, cloens are jsut dark. real one has scales, real model, cloth stuff

[mystic basin]

hmm

[tulip charm]

supposely the color of the real one is lighter

[worldly hawk]

fakes are very translucent the real one has detail and more color

[tulip charm]

but i just used the cursor

[dull obsidian]

if you're fast you can do cursor