top rankers are just RMTers
#lost-ark-discussions
sand marsh
KR is as well. Probably worse. It looks bad for NA because of how small it is compared to KR
pine imp
pushed what normally?
sand marsh
But KR is very, very bad lol.
pine imp
hell no
swift tree
Really that insane? they need to perform at the maximum power level to be like “Come play and get on my level”
Gaming equivalent of posting luxury hotel shots on Instagram
sand marsh
drama already proved it
what drama are you speaking of lol
slow saddle
dont bitch its 5pm me, say you're making nuggets and NOT SHARING
AT LEAST SHARE NUGGIES
swift tree
dont bitch its 5pm me, say you're making nuggets and NOT SHARING
Im sharing, just not with you
slow saddle
I SEE HOW IT IS
swift tree
You don’t want wet-salty nugs
sand marsh
from my understanding matt does not RMT, he just is a bussing degen
pine imp
im not gonna list all the drama you can just look it up
sand marsh
idk about john
stoopzz hardly plays the game
any other "streamer" has like no viewers lol
swift tree
Cauttyh quit, same with Saint.
John seems to do mokoko stuff like Stoopz claimed to want to in the beginning
slow saddle
LA feels dead when it comes to streaming
lilac frigate
LA is a shit game to stream
pine imp
its kinda crazy how people don't actually know what real RMT is and how its legit just driving NA/EU
sand marsh
LA feels dead when it comes to streaming
yeah its a very bad game to stream
slow saddle
not tryna watch someone do dailies or the same ass raids
shits boring
its why BDO was boring too, who tf wants to watch people grind lmao
swift tree
I mean unless you’re cringemaxxing/dramafarming its not that great to stream
slow saddle
when it was pvp, it was LIT
sand marsh
its kinda crazy how people don't actually know what real RMT is and how its legi...
can you describe what real RMT is. because from a rational perspective, there's no way to tell if someone swiped in the F4 shop or not unless you look at mileage or there bank records
slow saddle
but other than that, you'd have to be an entertaining person to really make LA enjoyable to watch, or at least partake in the stream
pine imp
id have a PHD by the time I explain RMT to you
also its so late I am not gonna go on a whole documentary of RMT
oh right there was legit documentaries about RMT
of all things
dusk cape
its why BDO was boring too, who tf wants to watch people grind lmao
hey ppl gotta fight for that spot sometimes!
slow saddle
i mean what are yall talking about in relation to RMTing
sand marsh
well, all i know is there is no way to tell unless you look at recent sale records in the auction house, mileage or bank records
everything else is speculation
pine imp
that most of the top end players are cheaters/RMTers
thats like a well known thing in any game
slow saddle
theres basically no way to 'prove' someone is RMTing or F4 shopping is all it bubbles down to
pine imp
imagine even still seeing cheaters in local tourneys
swift tree
that most of the top end players are cheaters/RMTers
what about Top End Questers?
pine imp
slow saddle
if i was a dev, it wouldnt be hard to track down at all
sand marsh
yeah there's no way to prove it is my point lol
slow saddle
they clearly dont clamp it down
pine imp
top end questers doesn't matter thats like you achievement hunting on PS5
sand marsh
a blanket statement that everyone is RMTing is a crazy statement without actual evidence
pine imp
on like rando games
slow saddle
and with the trust system being in place, it only partially mitigates things
In their eyes, you got the trust, surely you're just 'helping your friend' surelyyyy
swift tree
a blanket statement that everyone is RMTing is a crazy statement without actual ...
I’m RMT’ing
Really Massive Thong
slow saddle
thats why im a huge advocate of clamping down on the marketplace, remove mailing, remove free trade, restrict how bidding works
pine imp
yea but mirra if you do that you'd also have to reduce p2w gap or ur game just dies
pine imp
and if u reduce the p2w gap ud legit have to somehow make money
and if u cant make money ur game is ded
sand marsh
I think a lot of people see a juiced roster and immediately think RMT because by there logic, why would you pay more for gold when you can go to a middle man.
however, some people actually care about there account and following the rules and not taking risks.
slow saddle
like its not a blanketed solution
you need to do a multitude of things
to regulate the game
it still doesnt deviate from, if they did all that, people would swipe for power legitimately, and a company isnt going to be against that
pine imp
well if there was a solution one game out there the past 30+ years would of done it and be super successful with a massive playerbase being happy
swift tree
you need to do a multitude of things
Instructions unclear…. let’s delete Scouter Hyper Awakening again
pine imp
massive as in millions of players
swift tree
massive as in millions of players
That’s a pipe dream
slow saddle
and considering this isnt a 'grind' game, its capped, they're clearly going to be aggressive in swiping packages and so on
fresh flint
That’s a pipe dream
Pipe
pine imp
That’s a pipe dream
it is because you can't correct human nature
slow saddle
BC trading and all that will get self regulated based on the whales vs gold generation in game
sand marsh
and if u cant make money ur game is ded
i can say with like, 60% confidence that smilegate can operate by selling just skins. they can 100% reduce p2w gap and still be fine
but why do that? more money is more money
who doesnt like more money
slow saddle
progression based games will have the swipe for power aspect, its too late to change that model on LA
pine imp
we won't know 100% what their intention is or direction or w/e
swift tree
gaming industry is too multi faceted to capture large shoals of consumers.
A large portion of the consumer base just latches on to whatever is “new” and “trending” which is impossible to sustain for an MMORPG
pine imp
unless you work there and know exactly its all speculation from the outside
slow saddle
this isnt once human or WWM, where they're funded by outfits (theres no power chasing in those games)
people willing to drop $60k on a cosmetic boat
sand marsh
we won't know 100% what their intention is or direction or w/e
100%, no. But by looking at the history of the game industry the past 10 years, you can make a good educated guess as to there intention
slow saddle
people will do the same if an outfit costs $1k on LA
pine imp
trending and new is cos of social shift and traditional MMOs are simply built not to be that way
or basically internet has become a driving factor in everyone lives
sand marsh
people willing to drop $60k on a cosmetic boat
crazy how much people drop on cosmetics
actually crazy
swift tree
trending and new is cos of social shift and traditional MMOs are simply built no...
It’s literally because of 2-week marketing cycles but you do you boo
slow saddle
anyways, to not deviate too far from the original convo
i do think its absolutely shitty that people blanket the idea that if you're geared/high up there, you're automatically a busser or RMTer
swift tree
Lost Ark has the 2 weeks before Elden Ring. After that it moved on to whatever next
slow saddle
shitty people make others' reputation go down because its a 'norm' on LA
pine imp
It’s literally because of 2-week marketing cycles but you do you boo
thats legit just what I call the mobile gaming cycle
swift tree
anyways, to not deviate too far from the original convo
i do think its absolute...
I mean some people are just a complete lucksack. Like @sand marsh
pine imp
stuff existed when gachas first came out how is that different?
weird
idc what you call it
swift tree
thats legit just what I call the mobile gaming cycle
It’s the whole fucking industry. It was the same in 2011 with Skyrim
sand marsh
anyways, to not deviate too far from the original convo
i do think its absolute...
yeah. but u cant blame that mentality. it's because of what people have seen publicized/outed on reddit and drama between known RMTers throughout the year and amazons history of slapping RMTers on the wrist.
once you allow the behavior, now the public sentiment changes
slow saddle
yeah. but u cant blame that mentality. it's because of what people have seen pub...
yeah i dont blame anyone for that mentality, i just think its sad how far we've come
sand marsh
yeah very sad
pine imp
It’s the whole fucking industry. It was the same in 2011 with Skyrim
it is the whole industry now what do you want? change it? its impossible
just like how u can't remove the internet anymore
lmao
sand marsh
it is the whole industry now what do you want? change it? its impossible
it's not impossible actually
pine imp
I’m not the one saying this game could capture millions
I said if it EXISTED
sand marsh
indie games are farming Ws. triple A farming Ls lately
at this rate, who knows what could happen
pine imp
the fk
slow saddle
AAA games have really sucked in the last like 5 years ngl
back in teh day, you'd swipe and play a quality/polished game
pine imp
I mean AAA games just always dig their own graves
slow saddle
now ppl just play whatever if its fun, and cheap is a bonus
sand marsh
AAA games have really sucked in the last like 5 years ngl
the last good triple A game was expedition 33, but thats indie. it just feels triple A because of a few redditors who came together and skull fucked there keyboard until something crazy came out of it
pine imp
I never even heard of AAA games till cyberpunk
slow saddle
id rather play a f2p game with swipe cosmetics that 'somehow' is better than $70 trash out the door
pine imp
I only bought or played games that were fun to me
idk what ppl are even on nowadays
ppl don't play games to have fun nowadays they just play it as a 2nd job
sand marsh
well the tug-of-war between indie and triple A is actually a thing now
and its a very good thing to see.
slow saddle
back in the day, the big communities (at least from what I used to play) were things like
COD, BF
swift tree
well the tug-of-war between indie and triple A is actually a thing now
enshittification of AAA industry go brrr
slow saddle
whatever dogshit ubisoft would push out
pine imp
idk ubisoft had games that were fine
queen grail
Time to go to the Bakery and get some Fresh Bread Just too bad It's like 7$ for one bread.
swift tree
AC Odyssey was alright if you disassociated for all the dead areas
slow saddle
Assassin creed, far cry, etc
Just titles that were part of large series with strong grossing numbers from big companies
pine imp
<:2bgasm:856666350244331530> Time to go to the Bakery and get some Fresh Bread <...
just make your own bread
sand marsh
enshittification of AAA industry go brrr
because of this tug of war, i wouldnt be shocked if aggregious p2w became way more frowned upon in the next decade or so. but that's if people wake up and stop eating shit
queen grail
just make your own bread
But the bakery has some yummy bread 
It's ok.
slow saddle
because of this tug of war, i wouldnt be shocked if aggregious p2w became way mo...
thats how i feel about COD LOL
queen grail
I don't buy there that often 
slow saddle
people buy the same dogshit copy/pasted title for $70 each year
sand marsh
thats how i feel about COD LOL
dont get me started on COD. holy shit
swift tree
because of this tug of war, i wouldnt be shocked if aggregious p2w became way mo...
Speculative gambling apps seeing any form of regulation would immediately make video game gacha in trouble too
slow saddle
instead of asking themselves if its fun, new, innovative, good, etc
queen grail
Oh no.
sand marsh
let that dam thing die already lmao
lilac frigate
gotta love single player games that need internet
slow saddle
i hate SP games that require internet
sand marsh
Speculative gambling apps seeing any form of regulation would immediately make v...
Didnt some EU countries fight back against this
lilac frigate
<:ellyyxWTFBloo:855494385100783656> Oh no.
yeah... im not gonna get lvl 8 gems anytime soon
sand marsh
All it takes is a gigachad in the US to do this and the industry changes overnight
slow saddle
they do that shit cus of anti-tampering/DRM stuff
swift tree
Didnt some EU countries fight back against this
They changed definitions but nothing introduced into law
sand marsh
They changed definitions but nothing introduced into law
step in a direction i guess
slow saddle
i used to up until i started working and all that
but now in the last 2-3 years, ive been more mindful of getting any game with a full price tag
pine imp
pirating is more of a pain for games that get updates
slow saddle
everything goes on sale after release or comes out subpar
lilac frigate
they do that shit cus of anti-tampering/DRM stuff
doesnt make it ok
sand marsh
but now in the last 2-3 years, ive been more mindful of getting any game with a ...
same
slow saddle
doesnt make it ok
never said it was
sand marsh
last full price game i bought was expedition 33 and its the only singleplayer game i have truly enjoyed from a 10/10 perspective
slow saddle
i also learned that as an adult, unless im like, actually ready to allocate hours/time into something, its not worth picking it up right away either
i bought enough things then only played it for 2-3hours only to be busy
and not touch it for awhile
sand marsh
i also learned that as an adult, unless im like, actually ready to allocate hour...
i usually think of it like this: if it's 60 dollars, and it's a 100+ hour game id invest in, its a good purchase
thats the cost of my entertainment at least
slow saddle
i 100% advocate for people to support a game title
I draw the line when its dogshit and subpar, when its supposed to have high expectations. I wouldn't encourage pirating it off the bat, but at least wait and not rush
if someone is working and has the means and still pirates, to me,thats a bit shitty
pine imp
idk having any mentality about cost attached to entertainment is pretty bad
sand marsh
the only thing i pirate is manhwa/anime. i will never pay for that. its morally wrong but so is the phone i am using.
pine imp
or cost attached to anything
slow saddle
it isnt until people are in the shoes of development or running a business, till you realize what its like to have things taken/stolen from you
pine imp
literally binding yourself to something
sand marsh
yeah thats also true
its easy to pirate things and be ok with it until your in the shoes of owning a business and people pirate your stuff
pine imp
I mean I used to own a business and know the feeling of theft etc
pine imp
swift tree
Is true, since all you're doing is playing without a license.
sand marsh
isnt it theft if you bought a game then the dev shut down the servers
swift tree
.... basically like pirating tv in UK
sand marsh
theft
pine imp
I mean if lost ark EoS tomorrow i wouldn't care if it EoS 10 years from now I wouldn't care
slow saddle
as with anything, is how i look at a hobby/entertainment
swift tree
unethical consumption under a system that places profit above adequate available housing
so... 
philosophical debate that starts unravelling if you pull that thread
sand marsh
True. But I also think that MMOs that shut down, should instead make it open source and people do whatever the fuck with it. intellectual property can eat my ass
slow saddle
that would be nice
swift tree
they said that about club penguin
pine imp
I mean value is only attached to something if the majority of ppl attach that same value
pine imp
basic trade
slow saddle
before osrs became a thing, but post rs2 (when RS3 was a thing and the combat changed completely)
People made so much private servers to play in the 'old' way
it was fairly healthy
swift tree
forgot that thing ever existed
you know its studio made a pirates of the carribbean mmo?
slow saddle
then jagex was like damn, yall love it so much? bet, lets run another game
sand marsh
before osrs became a thing, but post rs2 (when RS3 was a thing and the combat ch...
yeah. thats how wow classic came to be. the popularity of private servers.
lost ark aint ever going open source tho
unfortunately
swift tree
before osrs became a thing, but post rs2 (when RS3 was a thing and the combat ch...
In Jagex's defence, their developers were held hostage to an absolute fuckwit of a CEO
pine imp
I mean doesn't matter
I would want the Dead Island 2 FLESH system in every game
but thats never happening
swift tree
but thats never happening
well its also probably patented (im not joking)
sand marsh
it cant be worse than smilegate right
slow saddle
I would want the Dead Island 2 FLESH system in every game
i literally bought and played it just for that
pine imp
RE series with FLESH system be insane
pine imp
i literally bought and played it just for that
yea OP
sand marsh
wtf is a flesh system
slow saddle
amazing system, but not enough to engage with it
swift tree
the game sucked for its story and was too short
luckil DL: Beast had eye candy AND a decent story/conclusion
pine imp
i just bought it on steam on sale again cos I wanted to watch the flesh system
slow saddle
wtf is a flesh system
real time like body dismemberment, realistic to any object you use, throw, hit with, physics, all that
pine imp
cos I bought it on epic on release
swift tree
real time like body dismemberment, realistic to any object you use, throw, hit w...
oooh, nice
slow saddle
its not like 'pre-determined' variations of how killing a zombie should look
it was like always different
swift tree
guess it might not be entirely patented since thats not exactly that novel of an idea
swift tree
its not like 'pre-determined' variations of how killing a zombie should look
it...
yeah
slow saddle
where you strike something, actually showed that 'exact' area
pine imp
idk you can look into the F.L.E.S.H system its pretty insane
sand marsh
mordhau i think
pine imp
literally all games need it
swift tree
where you strike something, actually showed that 'exact' area
DL had something similar added to 2 onwards but I don't think it's exactly the same.
Wouldn't be surprised if some of their team that worked on Dead Island had pseudocode/drafts to build from
pine imp
or w/e fits that category
slow saddle
i really just am a fan of any new game/tech innovations, the creativity really displays what the future of gaming 'can' be
Its why i loved cyberpunk so much
sand marsh
well some games wouldnt really benefit too much from it.
but it would be cool in some titles
pine imp
MK/any horror game/any games with dismemberment/Gore = need FLESH system
slow saddle
crysis had insane graphics, and some of the best tessellation i ever seen
various other games had nice mechanics or graphics that were unique in their own way
Point is, you kinda play a game and are like "man, I wish it had 'x' games graphics or weather or combat animations" etc etc
even simple things like char creation, i always tell myself, damn why cant this game have BDO's char creator lol
sand marsh
i dont see how you can patent an ingame system. these things are not divine insight
swift tree
it has to be super specific like a type of system or gameplay loop that is unique in design
sand marsh
its like patenting water
swift tree
there's a bunch of specific attributes required
slow saddle
prob cant do something broad but a specific tech within something
kinda like how nvidia does their patents for some level of raytracing and all that
AMD has 'their' version but its never entirely the same
sand marsh
yeah but an ingame loop/system
i can guarantee if you get 100 stinky degen gamers in a room they can come up with a system they have never heard before, only to find out its patented
i think its silly to patent that but it is what it is
slow saddle
this reminds me of like
phasmophobia
it was one of a kind for the type of game it was
then every other ghost hunting game spawned from it
voice interactions and all that
slow saddle
it was barebones by nature but unique
thats why it became so 'popular'
im also reminded of a game called Labyrinthine
it was unique that it had procedurally generated maps each time you played
you dont see that often
swift tree
then every other ghost hunting game spawned from it
even Lethal Company
slow saddle
but the concept exists like randomized world gen like minecraft
sand marsh
procedural generation should be in almost every game
swift tree
I mean rogue-like is literally named after a shitty 2d adventure game from the 90s called Rogue
slow saddle
to help create replayability in the gaming space, games started to go through with the procedural generation angle, which i think is neat
sand marsh
its probbaly much easier to do now with AI
slow saddle
its these random systems i find super cool
swift tree
procedural generation should be in almost every game
ehh, We Happy Few is an example of why it shouldnt
sand marsh
what is that
slow saddle
another system that comes to mind is like
Dayz/Arma 2 back in teh day, where they would add more survival aspects of your landing/impact would break your knees lmao
Then survival games that wanted to be more 'hardcore' in nature, started to add a lot more of that realism to the character
swift tree
Stealth/Social-stealth game that takes inspiration from Dishonored/Bioshock but it has big empty moments of "bleh" where its survival mechanics get stretched for way too long as the randomly generated islands means you can end up on long paths between quest objectives
sand marsh
Stealth/Social-stealth game that takes inspiration from Dishonored/Bioshock but ...
oh
so a sandbox that is empty
swift tree
so a sandbox that is empty
basically if Resident Evil had empty spaces with randomly arranged side quests
sand marsh
ok yea thats bad
swift tree
some of the overlapping and related to each other but the layout would be different every playthrough
yeah
it was a cool concept but it absolutely kills pacing especially for a game with a tense opening
quick escape you've been caught not taking your joy! -> now spend an hour traversing a run down village garden with a random layout
one time the DLC are better because they're linear and not randomly generated
hear me out.. what if Lost Ark added a new PvP area and killing other players gave a 1% chance of dropping a sidereal
(killing the same player multiple times negates this drop chance to prevent kill-trading/farming etc)
lilac frigate
will I find a kazeros raid this week...
wary timber
will I find a kazeros raid this week...
crystall ball says no
slender sky
thats how lineage did it too, not drop everything but rng drop some of your stuff
essentially everything outside of towns was pvp zone, if the other guy flagged back it was fairgame but if you just pked some1 not engaging you had the potential to drop your stuff upon death
nova summit
will I find a kazeros raid this week...
good luck that gets gatekept in mord nm
even in brel hm ^^
wispy sigil
will I find a kazeros raid this week...
as a supporter maybe, as a DPs without High Geared CP Friend no ^^
sour dock
@wintry depot its i mean not mena
lilac frigate
good luck that gets gatekept in mord nm
i can do act 4 though
queen grail
will I find a kazeros raid this week...
Yes
I have less and I'll get in, trust.
EzKaz Ready.
You'd gatekeep a GL for Kaz? 
That's wild.
charred void
eww
queen grail
eww
Who says needed? But they are awsome to have with you 
No classes is needed, some are just more chill with.
charred void
you bring them for stagger in kaz g1, gunlancer top, my paladin bottom stagger
queen grail
you bring them for stagger in kaz g1, gunlancer top, my paladin bottom stagger
G1 Meter don't work tho does it since you don't see other people's stagger while you're in the "shadow world" so you will always be #1 on your own meter?
queen grail
You sure since this was a problem even back in Echidna when people had to split on Platform and not?
charred void
its the only time he gets a staggerbar
so why would it not work
obviously it's rng if how often you get the guard pattern so you get the self staggerbuff
and how often others counter
queen grail
so why would it not work
charred void
<:shruge:1100304847183560726>
queen grail
tulip charm
i am relearning patterns in hm i have literally ignored -_-
queen grail
VPH and early counter's?
tulip charm
not particularly
i was called, i answered to learn
and now i am getting killed in there -_-
barrage ofc, g1
2 hours can't break 500
it literally feels like i am relearning all the hm patterns in g1 i straight up ignored
charred void
But I want to do it on my sup and she's not even 4k <:SAD:701055548103196682>
nice fake main wd 
queen grail
I could go on my 5,1k+ WD but that class is so trash there.
queen grail
and whats its going to do
Rood.
My main is my main, but I have 2 mains, dps main and sup main.
I'm more comfortable learning stuff on sup main first 
queen grail
I'm not saying that the combat score is trash.
tulip charm
But I want to do it on my sup and she's not even 4k <:SAD:701055548103196682>
not saying this to be mean, you should not go in as supp
if you fk up as dps you just die till you learn the mech
if you fk up as supp everybody dies to the most random shit
the pressure on supp tfm is way too high -_-
send in arna to tfm prog for a few hours and see how that goes lol
charred void
guess what he plays for 4 years
tulip charm
literally happened to me
when i was progging, something ive never dodged before in hm 1shot me
the lightning bolts around him when he backs up for sword stab and you have to counter him
its like one of the most basic patterns
he spawns lightning bolts around him when he back up and winds up for the counter
i have NEVER DODGED THAT LIGHTNING EVER
that shit 100>0ed me in like 2 bolts or something
charred void
only if your team mates are actual bad, the last hard raid i did was hell clown and the flamethrower killed people in 0.5 seconds if they greeded - took 3 weeks to clear with friends, some random reclear on NA at 1am took 3 hours and it was so satisfying to play support because they didn't take random dogshit dmg
it's just amusing that you have to learn all the patterns as support
so you can cover mistakes from dps players
meanwhile dps players yap that support role is so easy
and crash out when they only get 95 uptime
while they have 2minutes floor uptime
tulip charm
yea, i woudn't even say certain patterns, more like all the patterns
its literally like i am relearning this shit
what is the 3x jg into 4th stab
what is the blue ball you gotta agro and drag to the edge
wtf is that all shit??? i just tanked it all and killed the boss before it did zero dmg
now they 1shot
tulip charm
meanwhile dps players yap that support role is so easy
i don't remb ever hearing that, i did always here people say PALADIN is easy to play
i don't even know if thats true anymore
? i never said supp is easy, wat
swift tree
i don't remb ever hearing that, i did always here people say PALADIN is easy to ...
in their defence, paladin back then had 3-4 buttons and that was it
tulip charm
oh, btw, i am not dying after the first time
but if i don't resolve it the proper way i get other people killed
swift tree
you literally went 💤 when aura was up as using skills didn't contribute to meter. only needed to keep brand and atk buff up
take T skill out and its even more sleeper
charred void
you literally went 💤 when aura was up as using skills didn't contribute to mete...
the netflix era is over 
wispy sigil
any Chadlancer here, have a question about engravings
swift tree
the netflix era is over <:FeelsGladMan:932101378548068383>
now its youtube short era
tulip charm
first thing i learned is how to live through those patterns, and i did learn that
tulip charm
but resolving it properly is another issue
charred void
first thing i learned is how to live through those patterns, and i did learn tha...
just take 5x3+1 crisis evasion like in thaemine tfm 
queen grail
Amigad, It's Henry 
queen grail
any Chadlancer here, have a question about engravings
#gunlancer Most of them hang out over here.
swift tree
Zerker not being changed back is such a fucking troll at this point
charred void
changed back to what
charred void
strike wave multi hit?
swift tree
changed back to what
zerker instead of fat chuds
safe lark
zerker instead of fat chuds
swift tree
@wispy sigil you need to set your roles if you only see "No Access"- there's a roles option on the top-left of threads here
charred void
https://tenor.com/view/mum-mum-eat-gif-15301566
i'm so ready for that new serca gear transfer
worldly hawk
queen grail
i'm so ready for that new serca gear transfer
Iz ok, you'll make it
You going for nightmare?
charred void
i think so
queen grail
charred void
surely cant be to hard to find 4th random
zenith canyon
swift magnet
sad am not rdy for nightmare. highest cp char 😛
slowly growing ^^
she literally cant cut gems
charred void
sad am not rdy for nightmare. highest cp char 😛
swift magnet
<:gigachad:938223968194805760>
queen grail
surely cant be to hard to find 4th random
swift magnet
<:Looking:1222262916665839616> Better books than me, whale.
rng carried . heavily xD
swift tree
<:gigachad:938223968194805760>
surely support 3k is acceptable 
charred void
https://tenor.com/view/abbott-elementary-praying-prayers-pray-give-me-strength-g...
you know whats funny? my main wasn't even act 4 hm ready on release, now i have 1x 1740 for nnm, 5x 1730 for hm serca on release
queen grail
Just succeess.
swift magnet
charred void
swift magnet
2 leggies
zenith canyon
not relic book but
swift magnet
he got lucky room
this is nice ya xD
slender sky
swift magnet
ngl it's kinda a cheat getting double dip right before serca xD
@swift magnet Gotta love when you find this on an alt.
swift magnet
<a:nomNom:759173046782394379> <@289353434057146368> Gotta love when you find thi...
we love gemmies
swift magnet
cube ticket drops are gone upcoming patch right
i hope not
charred void
i'm losing track of what shit they remove from the game and re-add new nerfed slop instead
swift magnet
if we keep our cube patch it's a win for us xD running 0 star hourglass + exchange upgrade mats for cube unlock 4 xD
zenith canyon
all ur cubes will drop, at 1730 u will get new haal shit as cube
swift magnet
all ur cubes will drop, at 1730 u will get new haal shit as cube
if we keep our cube double rewards i wont run upgraded hourglass 😛
zenith canyon
surely
swift tree
cube ticket drops are gone upcoming patch right
gone from newest chaos, yes
swift magnet
0 star only 😛
swift magnet
surely <:Clueless:1043239065790717952>
it wouldnt surprise me if kr forgets that this is a thing for us
swift tree
if we keep our cube double rewards i wont run upgraded hourglass 😛
stars convert to 1720 cubes, ?
swift magnet
stars convert to 1720 cubes, ?
the upgrade mats from chaos dungeon for hourglass
swift tree
yes I'm asking if they're convertable
swift magnet
exchange that 1:1 with 1720 cube ya
swift tree
havent seen that anywhere
zenith canyon
well no1 does that in kr cuz they have less value of it in old cubes
swift magnet
havent seen that anywhere
the exchange will take place with paradies npc
swift tree
the exchange will take place with paradies npc
oh right
swift magnet
well no1 does that in kr cuz they have less value of it in old cubes
this ya. kr doesnt have double cube rewards like we do
sharp rock
we love gemmies
Errrr love it 
zenith canyon
sharp rock
swift tree
guess that technically means an extra legendary key per week if you're fucking nasty
swift magnet
for now thats speculation but it wouldnt surprise me if we get exact same kr version without changes xD
swift tree
for now thats speculation but it wouldnt surprise me if we get exact same kr ver...
yes but even if we do, our version can convert cube tickets to keys (unlike kr)
so I'm saying, whilst converting is better for gems- you can ALSO convert it twice over into a key
swift magnet
yes but even if we do, our version can convert cube tickets to keys (unlike kr)
personally this i havent done it once
i like my gems xD
swift tree
i like my gems xD
I've done it only once or twice and got jebaited so I stopped
slender sky
for now thats speculation but it wouldnt surprise me if we get exact same kr ver...
if that was the case our cube to hell key ratio would be off too which its not
queen grail
we love gemmies
Got another 8 soon.
Not sure what to do, think my bard will get it but I want 1 more Lv.10 on main 
and also want full 9's or so on Artist.
swift magnet
<:Looking:1222262916665839616> Got another 8 soon.
Not sure what to do, think m...
i work on 9s main first
after that idk xD
valky 9s ig
charred void
<:Looking:1222262916665839616> Got another 8 soon.
Not sure what to do, think m...
another 10 on the decorative "main"
swift tree
I put an 8 on my Destroyer for Hypergravity so he feels less ratty
charred void
"here look my main has 5k+ cp but i play my support instead with 4k cp because i'm a double main main"
queen grail
another 10 on the decorative "main" <:Weirdga:905213052276862986>
Why do you try to troll me my guy, It's too early for it.
queen grail
i work on 9s main first
charred void
i still have nightmares from that 2% brand neck 1720 bard
zenith canyon
queen grail
i still have nightmares from that 2% brand neck 1720 bard
You mean the ones that I had to explain in details why I did and then did exactly what I said I was going to do and snagged a H/M for cheap? That one?
swift magnet
let me translate it: "i have 8 MAINS, and all of them gotta look good"
idk why my wildsoul is bugged here. she has 3.2 cp
charred void
You mean the ones that I had to explain in details why I did and then did exactl...
didn't you also get denied from lobbies and were yapping about it
queen grail
Too early tho be trolling so much Fayten, you can't be drunk already.
swift tree
idk why my wildsoul is bugged here. she has 3.2 cp
logged out with wrong build, Uwu fucks up sometimes
queen grail
didn't you also get denied from lobbies and were yapping about it
Not really.
charred void
pretty sure it was because of that 2% brand neck
swift magnet
logged out with wrong build, Uwu fucks up sometimes
queen grail
Also don't think I ever had L only but
I still explain in details too you why I did what I did and then I did what I was planing to do and that was to get a big upgrade when I was first doing it
But your right I should have bought overpriced single H wasted a ton on that and then spent even more on HM later just a few weeks later 
better plan
charred void
yeah right, like you're also "planning ahead" and honing something up and end up replacing 1720+ with the <newestgoonerbait> class
everything calculated
then you show book prices
queen grail
yeah right, like you're also "planning ahead" and honing something up and end up...
Wut? How is changing classes I like relevant 
I've never not done that.
You should play the classes you enjoy
viscid sand
idk why my wildsoul is bugged here. she has 3.2 cp
Uwu also not updating max CP attained as frequently from what I've experienced.
queen grail
Also, Sorc is way more gooner than Dragon @charred void You silly billy.
charred void
yeah, a great 1720 lopang
zenith canyon
pop that 1720 to 1730 to gain new mats
queen grail
I liked Dragon gameplay, I swapped her with sorc, that's it.
queen grail
pop that 1720 to 1730 to gain new mats <:Weirdga:905213052276862986>
Bruh
Slowly maybe with Hell.
zenith canyon
ofc WITH paradise
queen grail
swift magnet
troll i dont have keys anymore
queen grail
swift tree
troll i dont have keys anymore
queen grail
i would kill some1 that told me to pop 20-30 with normal mats
She's Close.
zenith canyon
troll i dont have keys anymore
pop tha stash
swift magnet
rip
charred void
https://tenor.com/view/polar-express-conductor-ticket-punch-one-gif-810066203372...
would be funny if the altar doesn't let you pass before you exchange cube ticket into hell key
queen grail
Guess not that bad "only" gotta do 30 > 40 Adv honing.
swift magnet
reds it is
swift magnet
ngl i like these chests
queen grail
dont yap about book prices
I can buy books with bound hell loot?
swift magnet
funded my 2 +25 weps xD
charred void
you honed the sorc from 0 to 1722 with bound hell loot?
swift tree
stop main hopping
queen grail
you honed the sorc from 0 to 1722 with bound hell loot?
No? But she was main 6 before that no? So why you yapping.
zenith canyon
charred void
because you "plan ahead"
queen grail
I plan ahead on some stuff, I never said I plan ahead on ALL stuff, that's you saying that.
charred void
couldve waste gold on books instead of yapping now
queen grail
Not me
swift tree
yapperoni
charred void
I plan ahead on some stuff, I never said I plan ahead on ALL stuff, that's you s...
remember to prepare for the new class in august so you can replace another 1730 with it
because you will like the gameplay for sure
queen grail
remember to prepare for the new class in august so you can replace another 1730 ...
We don't even know what next class is, 
Not sure why you hate so much on playing new classes
No one is saying you have to do it 
charred void
is this how you bait people into buying a new iphone every year
queen grail
I wouldn't know, I don't have Iphone nor do I buy new phones often, mine is from Pokemon Go Era
charred void
i just doubled my silver
swift magnet
<:Weirdga:905213052276862986>
we love ratties xD
swift magnet
i just doubled my silver <:5Head:852993188671520798>
i would send you if i could
queen grail
we love ratties xD
💎
swift magnet
<:wahoo:1399145956649472192> 💎
charred void
i would send you if i could
it's ok i just stop repairing gear and pretend that i'm bad in the raids
fleet plover
I was about to finally hit again 1.1b silver after so many months and then I spent again like 60m silver to push 1730 alts back to same silver I had 4 months ago
queen grail
I was about to finally hit again 1.1b silver after so many months and then I spe...
What do you even need 1 bil silver for.
Crazy ppl
fleet plover
idk I like to see it above 1 bil I feel safe
charred void
<:AOtouchgrass:1095468312986660865>
how many hours do you have again
slender sky
yooooo
charred void
maybe i just raid with this 
until it breaks then i buy new box
surely thats cheaper than spending 20k silver
queen grail
how many hours do you have again
I'm early retired, all I have is free-time
That's my excuse
charred void
ye i'm also re-something
queen grail
Ayo
charred void
i was never nice
queen grail
Hench, reformed.
slender sky
keep it and send it to kat tonight xD
screenshot and send her
i cant not click on it for this long
swift magnet
screenshot and send her
slender sky
W skolakia
fleet plover
Last 200k gold bar I got was at least 6 months ago
runic hill
it's ok i just stop repairing gear and pretend that i'm bad in the raids
110 CPM 0 incap 48m DPS the goat
fleet plover
I don't think they are real anymore
charred void
110 CPM 0 incap 48m DPS the goat
i dont play dps
swift magnet
Last 200k gold bar I got was at least 6 months ago
kat got 3 in the last weeks. and calls me lucky xD
slender sky
ye i'm also re-something
fleet plover
kat got 3 in the last weeks. and calls me lucky xD
this should be illegal
queen grail
@swift magnet
swift magnet
<:SAD:701055548103196682> <@289353434057146368>
waaaa
charred void
<:SAD:701055548103196682> <@289353434057146368>
runic hill
i dont play dps
alright 99-99-70 30% contribution better?
swift magnet
<:Weirdga:905213052276862986> this should be illegal
queen grail
💎
charred void
alright 99-99-70 30% contribution better?
that feels a bit offending
runic hill
armoche G2?
charred void
kaz 1 nm
swift magnet
that feels a bit offending
only fishy but happy. fker didnt treat me like a snack -.-
for once
runic hill
sry didnt expect to find one of the 3 pug sups in entire LA that dont have 70-70-40 with 0 DR who blame the team
charred void
its saturday i forgor to collect keys on alts
charred void
sry didnt expect to find one of the 3 pug sups in entire LA that dont have 70-70...
i actually gave 0 dr last week because dumb fucks didnt counter kazeros lift up and just let me die
runic hill
valid reaction
charred void
and i had the targeted 2x guard pattern before and didnt spin the boss like some monkeys do
so i had to spacebar and he did the balls mech which i had no way to dodge
runic hill
ppl killed my bard on 2-2 by countering and told me to just take crisis
that was a special party
luckily raids are super easy now but i also feel like that attracts bozos to get free carries
most pugs have at least 1 or 2 special needs ppl
runic hill
i was convinced last week to do 3 of my 1800 CP rats HM
i was oom all 3 runs
not worth the 30k bonus
charred void
@queen grail 288 blue keys, SURELY I WILL DO THEM AT THE END OF SEASON 3
runic hill
since SG pretty much confirmed that next release will be kazeros extreme: any bets if it will be as much of a bozo raid as thaemine extreme?
nova summit
only fishy but happy. fker didnt treat me like a snack -.-
whatt
zenith canyon
<@217042711847501827> 288 blue keys, SURELY I WILL DO THEM AT THE END OF SEASON ...
173 keys lost to "i dont have time and its 2h left to do them"
fleet plover
since SG pretty much confirmed that next release will be kazeros extreme: any be...
It will, Extreme raid isn't meant to be harder then the actual raid it should be a fun event.
nova summit
my only sup w 6 gems gets 99/92/45 usually i guess
runic hill
i mean valtan was pretty much like hell just scaled for a certain gear level
swift magnet
i mean valtan was pretty much like hell just scaled for a certain gear level
valtan was fun
runic hill
its once per roster might at least make extreme HM somewhat challenging
charred void
It will, Extreme raid isn't meant to be harder then the actual raid it should be...
fun event, thaemine very fun(for only people who cleared the raid years ago)
runic hill
for those who wanna chill they can just go NM
nova summit
i used to do 99/88/50 on lvl3 t3 gems tho back in the day
swift magnet
fun event, thaemine very fun(for only people who cleared the raid years ago)
i skipped thae
queen grail
https://youtu.be/1Lmy7qwmSMc?si=vUNhd3ysvA8HENbE @wintry depot @swift magnet LOOK AT ME! 👁️ 👁️ 👁️ 👁️
swift magnet
never done g4 xD
queen grail
<@217042711847501827> 288 blue keys, SURELY I WILL DO THEM AT THE END OF SEASON ...
Dear fucking god just start now.
charred void
Dear fucking god just start now.
no, i will collect until last week then complain on reddit that the game is shit and forces me to do all keys at once
swift magnet
https://youtu.be/1Lmy7qwmSMc?si=vUNhd3ysvA8HENbE <@212378747293270026> <@2893534...
me looking xD
runic hill
i didnt like thae extreme, its a spit in the face for everyone who took the time to learn the raid
queen grail
me looking xD
https://youtu.be/2SXuQZVk9cQ?si=vVFFumbwGYV4qjn- That's ok, I don't care.
See, you can have a full convo just with Kpop Song Titles.
runic hill
most ppl struggled more clearing regular G4 to get the entry permit than the actual extreme even tho he had like 5x the HP in NM
queen grail
The future of dent typing @swift magnet
charred void
no its a spit in the face to remove vykas g1, think about the people who had to learn g1
queen grail
swift magnet
The future of dent typing <@289353434057146368>
runic hill
i was always against gate removal, would have been much better to not force ppl to do a 9 month old raid 6x weekly
queen grail
no, i will collect until last week then complain on reddit that the game is shit...
Brother in christ.
fleet plover
i didnt like thae extreme, its a spit in the face for everyone who took the time...
That's stupid mindset, so you think that only people that progged G4 in the past and had to struggle should be allowed to do a limited event raid? what
charred void
<:ellyyxWTFBloo:855494385100783656> Brother in christ.
i got weak
charred void
next week i gonna yap about my dumdum selling now instead waiting for 500g
queen grail
runic hill
That's stupid mindset, so you think that only people that progged G4 in the past...
its a stupid mindset to force a joke of a raid onto people who wanna do hard mode, they could have made NM like that and HM the same as OG G4 or even harder
runic hill
make NM easy and HM hard, it aint rocket science
queen grail
i didnt like thae extreme, its a spit in the face for everyone who took the time...
Wut?
runic hill
and if you want it to be a joke regardless of NM or HM then maybe dont call it extreme
queen grail
Extreme was always just a throwback for fun and to make it easy enough
charred void
runic hill
extreme valtan was very clearly harder than hard valtan as "extreme" would suggest
swift magnet
silver for you
charred void
ty amazon
queen grail
extreme valtan was very clearly harder than hard valtan as "extreme" would sugge...
Extreme Valtan was a joke still.
And done just for fun.
runic hill
but it was harder than thaemine extreme LUL
charred void
And done just for fun.
wdym for fun, nobody did that "for fun", it gave gold
viscid sand
wdym for fun, nobody did that "for fun", it gave gold
so like everything in this game 
queen grail
wdym for fun, nobody did that "for fun", it gave gold
I mean, yes, that too.
charred void
shouldn't have opened the main box
can't they ship over the cat ass trophy raids from china over here
charred void
i expect kazeros tfm over there to give like
some omega reward for #1 clearing it
server announcement when you login or out
runic hill
imagine they get a TFM based on catastrophe style raid
holy shit that'd be actually insane
even the other region reclearers gonna learn 15 new mechs xd
charred void
runic hill
knockup + oneshot+shape gonna be knock and 4 back2back 2ppl coop counters each in 1 direction or some crazy stuff xd
but i'd totally be down for stuff like that
queen grail
@swift magnet So cute
swift tree
I still need to do the rest of this weeks keys :L
charred void
greyed out button, why is this game so shit
swift tree
did you just buy that ticket / earn it?
charred void
buy after clearing
charred void
so i have to watch 2 loading screens
swift tree
just one, you can open the crucible UI within itself
you can go from Crucible -> Crucible in paradise, same with Elysian
rich sierra
Wtf is wrong with engraving price got a huge spike this week
queen grail
Wtf is wrong with engraving price got a huge spike this week
New Raid in a few day's.
swift tree
Fomo over nightmare
burnt tree
Fomo over a title that you can get only the first week
queen grail
burnt tree
"Frontier was the cause of Gatekeeping, but surely a title you can only get the first week wont"
charred void
good thing that this shit is useless in 2 months again
rich sierra
Making a 1 week title is super funny, you can't play this week ? Unlucky
swift tree
my dumbass just noticing bard has a visual indicator on her for serenade now
swift tree
title is fomo af especially since the upper parts of the playerbase will over-level the raid with new gear soon (defeating the dps race aspect of it). other funny part is they removed the icon title so its much less fomo
queen grail
title is fomo af especially since the upper parts of the playerbase will over-le...
No icon, trash.
swift tree
No icon, trash.
yeah it got removed because it was too fomo
queen grail
swift tree
not even Korea stood for that bullshit
rich sierra
Doloris without icon or AL with icon 
burnt tree
Titles like that shouldn't have an icon indeed
No need to glorify a title for no lifers and whales
queen grail
No need to glorify a title for no lifers and whales
No need to shame people that want to put in a bunch of raid time week one either.
viscid sand
<:Looking:1222262916665839616> No need to shame people that want to put in a bun...
but they shame me by calling me a rat how is this fair
charred void
<:Looking:1222262916665839616> No need to shame people that want to put in a bun...
just make it available until next raid is out why add fomo when your game isn't even relevant on the gaming market
that will surely bring in new players
burnt tree
just make it available until next raid is out <:shruge:1100304847183560726> why ...
Exactly
queen grail
just make it available until next raid is out <:shruge:1100304847183560726> why ...
I didn't make the game.
But I mean, just make a normal 10x clear title that the majority use anyways
charred void
that will most likely be the case now
burnt tree
Yupp
Doloris should be for the weirdos in nightmare
Hard Modes won't be as "HM" as they used to be anyway
queen grail
so if there's a 10x for the average and majority playerbase who care's about a temp title 
burnt tree
Pf
swift tree
But I mean, just make a normal 10x clear title that the majority use anyways <:W...
there's a x10 title anyways, no?
queen grail
there's a x10 title anyways, no?
I don't know, but If there is then it's kinda whatever It's like Death Kaz title, I only use that one
viscid sand
also depends if the x10 title is shared between nm and hm. like old brel, you checked for pet, echidna you checked for trophy etc 
queen grail
charred void
show pocket brel or no invite
swift tree
there's no mechanical difference, just dps requirements
burnt tree
also depends if the x10 title is shared between nm and hm. like old brel, you ch...
The differences between NM and HM are very little
swift tree
a couple of fewer telegraphs iirc
burnt tree
NM has no bomb, HM has 1 bomb, Nightmare has 2 bombs for example
swift tree
her bomb or your bomb?
swift tree
ah r
burnt tree
Hers, do i look like i can summon a bomb as a Souleater
swift tree
Hers, do i look like i can summon a bomb as a Souleater
I mean...
charred void
idk about g2 but g1 looked like a joke
burnt tree
But yeah
swift tree
Guillotine isn't a bomb
No, guillotine is a giant ass blade drop. Hyper Awakening is basically the Grim Reaper summoning a bomb
swift magnet
sigbvsduivb
fk u ratti. gib on my main 6 -.-
swift tree
Ah so you're SLASHIES
swift tree
(I have both mixed in for chevo farming on paradise SE)
burnt tree
Ok sure i use FMH build in Paradise too
swift tree
bruh this cat is scratching at my door
The thing with pets is they like to be around you
queen grail
bruh this cat is scratching at my door
It's the cat distribution system, do your job, wtf.
sand marsh
it doesnt need to be fed i can assure you that
burnt tree
Pet it
swift magnet
bruh this cat is scratching at my door
it wants attention
swift tree
it doesnt need to be fed i can assure you that
It just wants to be near you but not close enough to acknowledge that it likes you or anything
swift magnet
play with it
sand marsh
swift tree
play with it
until suddenly.... NO DONT TOUCH ME OR ILL SCRATCH YOU
swift magnet
until suddenly.... NO DONT TOUCH ME OR ILL SCRATCH YOU
sand marsh
no i dont hate cats
swift magnet
ya paly on their terms xD
swift tree
I mean what is Deathboi if not a human cat
queen grail
Then that's your cat now, take it to the vet, take it inside, gg wp you got a cat.
charred void
Then that's your cat now, take it to the vet, take it inside, gg wp you got a ca...
started on lvl 1 
👍
sand marsh
oh nice, it got on my bed immediately
swift tree
not in that way, dummy
queen grail
@swift magnet You know the lore with Nukman being friends with 2 people that has the same names as Windfury's Awakenings?
swift tree
too busy hassling Deathboi I didnt notice lvl 100
swift magnet
is it just me that feels like this is in one way betetr than s1 and 2 but on the other hand also worst cuz it eats so much stuff to even click resonance?
charred void
too busy hassling Deathboi I didnt notice lvl 100
it aint much silver but its honest work
swift magnet
and it feels like it stays on the same grade way too much without moving
swift tree
you know we gotta
queen grail
started on lvl 1 <:YEP:1041460387142455316> 👍
nice nice
charred void
<:ThumbsUp:521495764275298378> nice nice
meanwhile my main 👍
swift tree
is it just me that feels like this is in one way betetr than s1 and 2 but on the...
it encourages people to engage with Paradise over the course of the whole season (OR buy a shit load of tickets now via keys) either way it should still feel like you're moving forward despite us reaching Elysian 10 less than 1/3 into the season
swift magnet
it encourages people to engage with Paradise over the course of the whole season...
ya that's why i have a mixed feeling about this somehow. great and terrible at the same time xD
swift tree
freetap
queen grail
queen grail
meanwhile my main <:YEP:1041460387142455316> 👍
Yee, soon only leg at least can drop
swift magnet
<:frog_love:1334887457434370079>
aaaaw little ayaya
queen grail
aaaaw little ayaya
So cute
swift magnet
<:frog_love:1334887457434370079> So cute
yus
swift tree
DB just got free 1680
uncut dirge
When is artist getting a buff/bard getting a nerf?
queen grail
DB just got free 1680 <:wahoo:1288727601032204288>
queen grail
When is artist getting a buff/bard getting a nerf?
Artist is giga stronk huh
charred void
yes buff artist to 100 100 100 100 uptime
swift tree
ancient pieces from a bygone era
fleet plover
yes buff artist to 100 100 100 100 uptime
yes please give me more
ebon snow
Did somebody do a tl;dr on the roadmap
fleet plover
ebon snow
Also ban all pink names
swift tree
Did somebody do a tl;dr on the roadmap
pretty much all we already know + hints at the same QoL Russia is getting for Serca
fleet plover
Also ban all pink names
ebon snow
swift tree
June is the month we get new Island/MSQ/Abyss Dungeon
charred void
at this point they should just give bard cleanse, nerf Z buff or buff Z buff from other supports to same level as bard
and remove ap buff circles
runic hill
make all AP buffs equal
charred void
since 2/4 supports have ap buff circles in 2k26, why
fleet plover
and remove ap buff circles
^ this pls
swift tree
AP buffs just apply directly to party, no distance requirement
ebon snow
Literally remove paladin artist and bard and make it all one uniform class
wind dagger
swift tree
Literally remove paladin artist and bard and make it all one uniform class
Didnt Aion2 already do that?
swift tree
<:KEKW:834726120606924850>
yeah you know what I mean
fleet plover
Literally remove paladin artist and bard and make it all one uniform class
????
swift tree
nvm
ebon snow
???? <:Weirdga:905213052276862986>
That's what he said
uncut dirge
<:HUH:1001018622061334558> Artist is giga stronk huh
54% contribution
You can't do that with an artist
charred void
just keep 1 unique thing about the classes and make everything else the same
swift tree
just keep 1 unique thing about the classes and make everything else the same
unique thing about Paladin is being a Ken Doll
ebon snow
You could make them even more unique like itstead of ap buffs give other stats
runic hill
like with how much impact sups have the fundamentals cant be dif
swift tree
make a joke class that doubles the speed of Raid Captain xD
fleet plover
Bard should never have stronger identity, it was a stupid decision since the beginning and it doesn't make any sense.
charred void
You can't do that with an artist
you also can't do that with paladin or valkyrie
queen grail
finally done
charred void
?????
swift tree
??????
uncut dirge
you also can't do that with paladin or valkyrie
I don't have a straight comparison between them
queen grail
runic hill
Bard should never have stronger identity, it was a stupid decision since the beg...
cant really complain when u play the best sup in the game tho
ebon snow
You could give cr/cdmg instead and make it so crits renew the shields and the shield itself would buff ap or other stats
queen grail
54% contribution
uncut dirge
This is that same bard on his artist main
uncut dirge
That's 600 combat power higher
swift tree
missing Kazeros card for god damage
swift tree
<:think:838069227918721024> I take my time sometimes and just chill.
stronghold bonus + books is op
ebon snow
Jokes on you all demons are dead
swift tree
Jokes on you all demons are dead
Jokes on you, time means nothing when the cubes exist
queen grail
stronghold bonus + books is op
charred void
This is that same bard on his artist *main*
i would happily lose 4% buff contribution over some clunky ass bard gameplay
uncut dirge
Artist 6300 cp: 45.5-48.3% contribution
Bard 5700 cp: 48.4-53.9% contribution
Same player in both cases
fleet plover
Artist 6300 cp: 45.5-48.3% contribution
Bard 5700 cp: 48.4-53.9% contribution
S...
I mean the difference between 10% and 15% identity is very big, of course contribution is higher on bard.
runic hill
i saw artists over 50% contribution before but its rare
queen grail
Artist 6300 cp: 45.5-48.3% contribution
Bard 5700 cp: 48.4-53.9% contribution
S...
Ok? And? Artist is still ultra stronk.
Hopper gives push immune and super shields, It's not a "Must burst within this window or gg" since the buffs are always up, 2x Cleanse, great counter with push immunity, fast gameplay, low punishment to spot heal etc.
runic hill
but its like saying blue GL should do the same dmg as arcana
swift tree
Jokes on you all demons are dead
inb4 its the book version of orcs and they don't disappate but sit around kinda useless without leadership
charred void
also it's nothing new that maxed out bard >>> all 3 other supports it's since forever
fleet plover
I would never swap from Artist to Bard even if I could, the current artist is just broken in raids and also in progs, infinite push immunity I feel like a small gunlancer :3
runic hill
ppl just dont see the hidden DPS you get from infinite DR
sand marsh
wittle midget gunlancer
swift tree
I would never swap from Artist to Bard even if I could, the current artist is ju...
immunity of a small gunlancer, speed and fun of a smoll zerker
runic hill
only look bible and see 1 number = TRUTH
queen grail
If you only watch "Contribution" as your metric for being a good or bad support, then, I don't know what to say 
runic hill
the fact that i can facetank TFM like its a solo mode with a good artist is beyond cringe
swift tree
can your support save your entire party from killing themselves in mechs in a clutch recovery moment :3
uncut dirge
i would happily lose 4% buff contribution over some clunky ass bard gameplay
They're losing like 200m DPS from this difference tho
swift tree
or just "uptime go brr"
queen grail
Not to mention being able to teleport with Artist (If the dps is not reject of nature) is SO good.
fleet plover
immunity of a small gunlancer, speed and fun of a smoll zerker
But she is so so fun wdym, u just hop every 5 seconds
queen grail
Like you can cheese mech's, greed other mech's.
sand marsh
the fact that i can facetank TFM like its a solo mode with a good artist is beyo...
you can with bard/paladin as well lol
queen grail
It's just, great.
charred void
They're losing like 200m DPS from this difference tho
where do you need 200m more dps right now, besides "speedruns"
swift tree
But she is so so fun wdym, u just hop every 5 seconds
good parts of zerker is its mobility
queen grail
They're losing like 200m DPS from this difference tho
4% = 200 mil
Damn, so they were doing like 50 billion dps?
swift tree
zerker basically has a "Hop and slam" skill with *mountain crash or w/e it is
Im mixing up slayer and zerk names
sand marsh
0
runic hill
you can with bard/paladin as well lol
you def cant with bard on squishy class 1740 armor, you can tank classic DR patterns but u cant facetank the entire raid
queen grail
sand marsh
time for full expertise bard to shine
uncut dirge
Damn, so they were doing like 50 billion dps? <:Looking:1222262916665839616>
Yes you can see in the group that they're doing 3.5 billion dps
The 3 people combined
queen grail
Yes you can see in the group that they're doing 3.5 billion dps
3,5 =/= 50
charred void
pf be like: checking vph relic on pala/valk then invite/decline and auto decline bard/artist
queen grail
sand marsh
you def cant with bard on squishy class 1740 armor, you can tank classic DR patt...
you cant facetank the entire raid on any support because some patterns literally one shot you through any form of DR
fleet plover
don't you want a lot of stagger for serca raid
My team for Serca is giga crazy stagger
Arcana, RE DB, Destroyer and Artist
runic hill
time for full expertise bard to shine
bard is actually a quite decent staggerbot, i did staggerbot on a 2c brel in ancient times
swift magnet
this not lucky
uncut dirge
3,5 =/= 50
If it was 50 the difference would be billions of DPS
runic hill
My team for Serca is giga crazy stagger <:KEKW:834726120606924850>
Arcana, RE D...
2x rumble inc
sand marsh
bard is actually a quite decent staggerbot, i did staggerbot on a 2c brel in anc...
it pales in comparison to paladin
queen grail
swift magnet
funny old hag
sand marsh
stagger is actually infinite
swift magnet
<:Looking:1222262916665839616>
AWOOO
runic hill
ye times were different back then, i see it in duo guardian with my friend
wintry depot
<@212378747293270026> its i mean not mena
Ok