lost-ark-discussions

[tulip charm]

even if i am knocked down by the front slash, i always saved a getup

[sand marsh]

wtf aree u tawkin about

purplem spikes?

[tulip charm]

everybody got killed by cross at least once, i didn't die to it a single time

[tulip charm]

you know when he agros a player, backs up, and you gotta counter him, then move to his side?

[dull obsidian]

those are lightning bolts

..

[sand marsh]

yes lol

[tulip charm]

there is purple spikes around him when his doing that move

i got 1shotted by the purple spikes in the first hour, ive never had to dodge that in my life

[sand marsh]

no there isnt huh

[tulip charm]

wht ishy said

[sand marsh]

u mean the co-op counter where u move to the side?

[dull obsidian]

hes talking about the lightnbing bolts on the timed counter

[sand marsh]

nados

[tulip charm]

purple lightning bolts whatever you wanna call it

it just spawns around him, those things tickle and do 0 dmg

then i just randomly died in tfm lol

[sand marsh]

OH

the blue lightning

yea that shit hurtsd

i dont think its purple bro

if it is then my memory is wrong

but yeah that tiny lightning, without DR, ur ded

[dull obsidian]

just be tanky

idk

[sand marsh]

even GLs can die to it without shield lol

[tulip charm]

ive never had to dodge that before, ever

[sand marsh]

it hurts a lot

[dull obsidian]

we have bard

[sand marsh]

well no shit

[dull obsidian]

we just naturally are tanky with bards

[tulip charm]

when i died progging there, i was like wtf did i sign up for

[dull obsidian]

boss is -40% ap

[slow saddle]

your supports need to shield/DR for that

[dull obsidian]

and we are perma 30% dr / 20% hp shield

[slow saddle]

it chunks like a fuckton

i cannot go for those counters on gs

the chip damage hurts too much

[dull obsidian]

I never have counter up for it

[tulip charm]

our group was also kinda underpowered

[dull obsidian]

I'm still waiting on core essence so I can swap to fatal wave

so I have perma counteru p

lol

[tulip charm]

2 or 3 of us including me had to run shield piercing engraving

[dull obsidian]

did you ever make it to g2

[tulip charm]

but we could never make it to 500bars with everybody alive, so there was no point even using shield piercing it felt like

[dull obsidian]

idk that sounds like skill issue

[vagrant cradle]

[tulip charm]

no, coudn't even get past 500bars g1

[dull obsidian]

in g1

I died to the oneshot once

I think I died to prokel overlap once

[tulip charm]

also, there is sometimes complete bullshit overlap in prokel clone stagger

i died to the most bullshit move, i was going inside the ring explosion, he offscreen lasered beamed me and 1shot me

there is windup in hm with the laser, it felt like in tfm he just does it instantly, if your not constantly straffing he just 1hits you

[dull obsidian]

he did the 1 shot as I was running the to a far side circle safe spot

[tulip charm]

i don't expect today's prog to go anywhere, but just get some pulls for a few hours for reps

most likely gonna try again in 2 weeks with circa gear

[dull obsidian]

the first time we made it past 500x

we cleared

then we did like 2 good pulls and 3 wtf pulls in g2

in like 30-40 mins

[tulip charm]

idk if this is true or not, some people say g1 is easier than g2

[slow saddle]

getting past x500 and to it with everyone alive is the first like

major check

sorry

second major check

[dull obsidian]

getting past prokel is the first check lmao

[sand marsh]

g1 is harder than g2 if your not skipping x500

[slow saddle]

first major milestone is prokel/x700

second major milestone is x500

[dull obsidian]

there is no third

gg..

[slow saddle]

after that, its usually a smooth clear

post basement isnt much of a worry unless someone misses just guards

[dull obsidian]

I feel like g2 is not hard if you actually play slow

[tulip charm]

you guys are prob so juiced you skipped 5x jg or something

[slow saddle]

i would say g2 was a lot easier than g1

[tulip charm]

i think we are gonna see that for sure

[dull obsidian]

the dps check pretty much doesn't exist

post ark grid

we just do too much dmg

[sand marsh]

what gatekeeps people from clearing TFM is nados in g2. and people who think its rng just smash there face against the wall

[dull obsidian]

for a dps check to even be a problem

[tulip charm]

and i read from the guide if anyone fails even 1 of the 5x jg, he gains infinite shields and the raid is bricked

[slow saddle]

g2 is just understanding patterns, going for counters, and not burning your stand-up unnecessarily

[dull obsidian]

wait wtf is nados

[sand marsh]

after stagger clash

x2

[slow saddle]

the real killer in g2 is the nados

[tulip charm]

blue tornados

[dull obsidian]

OH

ye

[sand marsh]

yeah

[slow saddle]

the star pattern that sends you up

[sand marsh]

i came across many groups who think its rng,

[dull obsidian]

first and second is always safe

[sand marsh]

they stil havent cleared

[slow saddle]

there is a correct way to do it consistently without issue

[dull obsidian]

if you can react to it

[sand marsh]

refused to listen to me

[dull obsidian]

I heard top left

is also safe

idk about that

[slow saddle]

but people dont listen at all and they end up ruining it for others

[tulip charm]

i still think its rng

[slow saddle]

either direction is safe

[tulip charm]

and i haven't even seen g2 yet

RAAAAh

[sand marsh]

here's MS picture

[dull obsidian]

idk

[slow saddle]

you just need to WALK

and not rush ahead

[dull obsidian]

We just walked/dashed to first or second one that appeared

[slow saddle]

even if you end up in a bad situation, you should spacebar outside and wait till the red telegraph shows to hyper (thats like backup solution if u miss a puddle/panic)

[sand marsh]

1- never go in red space (5/7 and close to boss) blue can cut here
2- anywhere not red u can take the 1st nado spawn and it is GUARUNTEED SAFE. U MUST take the 1st nado immediately tho. do not wait cus the end of 1st nado can still get cut in tfm
3- DO NOT SPACE TO TOP. THIS IS MASS MURDER. WALK

[dull obsidian]

TS + HA in pure clear lobbies gg

[sand marsh]

oh also, ur run can be gimped in 2-2 if this happens:

[slow saddle]

also to clarify in the image above, the reason you walk is because, the blue puddles that send you up has some targetting to it

You can murder other people inthe process by even 1 person moving too fast

so just pick a side

and just move to the first puddle

[sand marsh]

angry birds on wall has killed so many people

[dull obsidian]

b-but

[sand marsh]

its probably

worse than ndos

nados

gotta pre position boss

[dull obsidian]

I need to do dmg with my HA...

I actually saw someone type that

[supple surge]

[dull obsidian]

boss in TFM is still dead at long stagger

you're just dancing to desert phase

[sand marsh]

ya

[slow saddle]

angry birds also has set positions but even in situations where boss is not positioned, the safest thing to do is pick a circle thats next to multiple other safespots

[sand marsh]

theres no skip for 2-1

[slow saddle]

this way, u can spacebar to the non-red safespot for angry birds

its very easy to adjust

[sand marsh]

yea the only issue with angry birds on wall is if you click incorrectly, you just die

like if u drag ur cursor over ur char

ur dead

[dull obsidian]

just play support and run crisis

too easy

[sand marsh]

if u click the wall ur also ded

haha

honestly thesse days everyone can run crisis and get a free clear

as long as u pass nados

[dull obsidian]

we watched a speedrun supp fuck it up

and just live because of crisis

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-uma-musume-cinderella-gray-eat-eating-gif-6770234904401320070

[sand marsh]

yeah

and u can DR angry birds as well

but u need more than just DR

[dull obsidian]

awa dr

pog

[slow saddle]

timestop that joint

[dull obsidian]

btw does the boss in HM

always look down when he does angry birds now

lmao

I swear its never some random angle anymore

[sand marsh]

uhhh im not sure

[slow saddle]

im unsure

i dont see angry birds in HM

[dull obsidian]

We saw it because we run with a progger + giga shitter pugs

nothing we can do about it

[slow saddle]

somehow pugs are pulling their weight

[dull obsidian]

that gl still tilts me to this day

Illiterate fuck

[slow saddle]

btw i found out more info about that GL from our TFM clear

that was supposed to help our speedrun

failed grabbing a clash

and actually failed a clash

[dull obsidian]

oh

that was your group?

the stage break clash?

..

[slow saddle]

keep in mind, this guy is toxic and gatekeep the sht out of people

naw, someone else

unless we ironically were in the same run?

idr being in VC with u

[dull obsidian]

did you wipe at the stage break clash in 2-1?

[slow saddle]

but i also dont know everyone in the run

yeah but this was a TFM speedrun on last saturday

[dull obsidian]

And it was the gl

yeh it went everywhere

I think someone was streaming

[slow saddle]

HUH STREAMING

wait

do u remember their name?

[dull obsidian]

no

[slow saddle]

did it start with a V

or was it a stream and u saw me in it

[dull obsidian]

no clue I've forgotton a lot of it

lmao

[slow saddle]

oh well

anyways

i fucking hate this GL

i defriended them completely

just a terrible person but 'friend of friend' situation

apparently

their cat they had for like 17 years

died that same day

mind u, this guy is like 40 something years old

so i legit told the others

he's too god damn old to not communicate shit to us

like

if you got problems to deal with

WHY SHOW UP TO A SPEEDRUN

just say u cant make it or have an emergency

dont waste evryone elses time because your head isnt in the right place

fucking childish behavior

[fathom cloak]

[swift tree]

Valid crashout tbh, useless GLs are just dead weight

[tulip charm]

if you mean most busted class in the game and every tfm group wants one, yea.....

just play a class that gets buffed 40 times in a row

[fathom cloak]

buff GL

[modern hatch]

Buff pred

[swift tree]

useless GLs
aka ones that aren't able to keep buffs up, go their job, counter and keep cpm high enough to give decent dps

that doesnt mean all GLs are useless, im saying that ones that are

[celest tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-well-fine-ok-whoops-oops-gif-20212592

[queen grail]

I agree, imagine griefing a friend and pet you've had for 17 year's, grow up we got games to play man

[slow saddle]

id be mourning

no excuses

but i also forget some LA players are mentally ill

[queen grail]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ferris-buellers-day-off-xT0GqfvuVpNqEf3z2w

[dull obsidian]

like

how the fuck

are pugs

wiping on guard armoche g2

????

raid too hard ig

[mortal burrow]

hm right?

yeah..

oml tho

pug paladins are so bad this week in my experience

[vagrant cradle]

blocked

[vagrant cradle]

the one that showed up for me this week went for around 250k

[tulip charm]

good luck

[dull obsidian]

not on my main

don't really want it lol

[slow saddle]

only got a chance to bid on like

2 of those since release on alts

never main

[tulip charm]

fk that, even not on main i will try to go for it if its under or around 100k

[slow saddle]

yeah same

[queen grail]

Goodluck

[dull obsidian]

bro what

i put 80k on it and left

and I got it

[queen grail]

lul

I wouldn't bid over either, 80 is high.

[dull obsidian]

cant use it

salvation

[queen grail]

[swift tree]

I'm living through my pugs

[dull obsidian]

fuck

I Didn't even want it

[vagrant cradle]

i wish those went for that cheap

every time they've shown up they've always been above 200k

[tulip charm]

all my alts are around 3600>3900, by NA standards thats weak

if i can grab a ancient rando box for 100k i am taking it

[queen grail]

I'll pay max 50k for it

[dull obsidian]

always the trillionaires that try pay low

[vagrant cradle]

[tulip charm]

by the time the june sacria priest raid comes out ima aim to have at least 1200 core essense on every single char

gonna use it all there in that raid shop

[slow saddle]

me personally, i wouldnt mind putting a solid bid on things

its just when people bid up but dont want it

just to yoink gold

[vagrant cradle]

i wouldn't have minded if i got it since it was on my valk

but someone apparently wanted it even more

[queen grail]

This guy.

[slow saddle]

not screencapping in 2026 is criminal

[tulip charm]

you do realize his luckier than you, peakes, and kat combined right?

[queen grail]

Says no lucky A week ago he crafted HM

[tulip charm]

phone snapshot is this man's trademark

[queen grail]

No lucky but sold something for over 5 million a few weeks ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-bed-wake-up-under-sheet-j4FTt7knh8w4YyzbuM

[neon cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-hamsters-eating-cute-hamster-cute-gif-2699101254265325089

[fathom cloak]

that bozo drops 200k+ shit every other day

[celest tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-huh-what-dog-question-mark-gif-23128484

[queen grail]

I've never said I'm lucky I'm average with how much I play

[tulip charm]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-the-fuck-is-this-wth-gif-17571836

ive never seen 3 embers glowing on the same screen since i started playing the game, you see this every other week

[queen grail]

3 Ember

This guy is hilarious

My guy you know I've most likely raided a lot more than you and yet you've gotten 4 sids you're not average lucky mister zhengy.

[tulip charm]

i know youve raided more, but i don't wanna say ALOT more

i basicly got my 400roster from side raiding, basicly just a normal amoche on the lopangs every reset

[vagrant cradle]

[queen grail]

But ey If you wanna trade 3 Ember's average drops for 4 sid's let me know

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-bed-wake-up-under-sheet-j4FTt7knh8w4YyzbuM

[dull obsidian]

Guys

Does my goat PIIMPOLLO

still play the game

[tulip charm]

idk what this is gonna be able to get me, i don't wanna look at the calculator, hopefully i get far

every alt have this number if not more

[queen grail]

Nice, another rat soon!

3 more taps a few more weeks

[lilac frigate]

hmmm do I want to use the hell key selector on my 1730 or on a 1710...

[neon cedar]

1730 and wait until the 15th so the key gives new mats

[queen grail]

Am I wrong or was we not told that key's don't change and you get new key's with the patch?

[mortal burrow]

we dont know because kr got a new set of paradise

after serca

[neon cedar]

Current keys stay as is.They dont have a key yet

They have the selection thingy to get a key

[mortal burrow]

like the season ended at the serca patch i mean

[queen grail]

Ye I got that, I'm just not holding my breath for them to update selection chest, but hopefully

[neon cedar]

We do know because they said in the March upcoming memo thing

[mortal burrow]

did they

which one

[neon cedar]

https://www.playlostark.com/en-us/news/articles/march-team-update-part-two

[queen grail]

trash

[lilac frigate]

I mean this

so I technically dont have the key yet

[neon cedar]

Just wait. You lose nothing by being patient

[lilac frigate]

yeah, but I do think it probably ends up as a 1710 key

because i dont expect them to add the new key in there

[dull obsidian]

LOL

someone is saying saturn is bussing tfm 12x a week

bro

saturn quit

fucking 5 months ago

[lilac frigate]

wait, you can bus the first mode?

[nova garden]

[queen grail]

44% to get blue Astro.
3 in a row is green, and 7/10 Green ok

44% my ass 2/10 was blue 8/10 Green again wth.

[dull obsidian]

OH MY GOD

BRO

I'M GOING TO SG HEADQUARTERS

We must rid of this game

[queen grail]

Ok, calm down ishy

[dull obsidian]

no

LOL

[supple surge]

[dull obsidian]

"THEY DO TFM ON 6-12 CHARACTERS AND EARN SO MUCH RAID GOLD"

YOU DUMB FUCK

WHERE IS THE RAID GOLD

[vagrant cradle]

[dull obsidian]

BUSSERS EARN 4M A WEEK

WHERE IS THE 4M A WEEK

I WOULD BE BUSSING IF I WAS MAKING 4M A WEEK

SATURN BUSSES SO MUCH TFM

SATURN QUIT IN FUCKING DECEMBER

MAN SATURN IS JUST RUINING THE GAME BRO

FUCKKKKKKK

3-4 MONTHS AGO

NOT EVEN BUSSING TFM

NOT EVEN BUSSING HM HALF THE TIME

[formal frost]

we larping as reddit?

[dull obsidian]

literally all public info what in the fuck is this community saying

[queen grail]

I mean, bussing in general make a lot more gold than the general raiding base.

I don't know about Saturn tho.

[dull obsidian]

bro

even if I bus 18 raids

I am not even making 50% of 4m

from raw raid gold

not even 36 busses makes 4m

54 can be argued

but are you even counting those people as fucking normal

[queen grail]

Maybe not but you'll be making a fuckton more than the rest and that adds up week after week after week let's not pretend that busser's aren't playing easy-mode on economy.

[dull obsidian]

bussing is an extra 200k a week endeavor

[sand marsh]

i mean, you can play on "easy mode" too.

smilegate structured the game around gold and made shitty rng systems

what do u expect people to do

not min max?

[queen grail]

Yes, because I speak against busssing must mean I want to bus too

[sand marsh]

[sand marsh]

never said you wanted too

[pine imp]

you make that much if from the bus you are the only one getting paid

[queen grail]

Then I'm not sure what your "argument" was, bussing is just playing the game on easymode with gold, that's all, If they don't want people to say that to them then, I don't know, don't bus or just ignore it

[sand marsh]

thats not how bussing works

[sand marsh]

right but who wouldnt want to play on easy mode

its like playing ironman mode and flexing about it

no one cares

people will bus because of the shitty systems smilegate made

and how important gold is

[pine imp]

idk there are ppl willing to just help out bussing without payout and funneling

wouldn't be surprised that is common

[queen grail]

not everyone wants to play only 1 class and bus, shit's mad boring for some people and other people are just objectivly against the idea of bussing and making extra gold outside your "frames"

It's not rocket science my guy.

[sand marsh]

many bussers dont play only 1 class lol

its just extra gold

if u saw 100 dollars on the ground and no one is around u not picking it up?

[pine imp]

id rather play 20 alt accs b4 bussing

[queen grail]

A ton of gamer's play Ironman just for the brag rights tho some people like a challenge in their game, if you're not one of them then, good for you.

[sand marsh]

there is absolutely no challenge in what this conversation is about lol

[queen grail]

That's a terrible bad faith argument and if you're going to yapp like this this convo ends now

[sand marsh]

instead of blaming bussing, blame the shitty devs who made the game this way

every single game with an economy has some form of bussing

[pine imp]

I mean game would be massively different if bussing didn't exist

[sand marsh]

FF14, wow, etc

aion had it

all of em have it

[pine imp]

bussing is the driving factor for rats existence

[sand marsh]

you not gonna blame the devs who made the game shit? lol

[queen grail]

I wonder why all games has busser's shocking.

[pine imp]

rats can't clear bussing can

[slow saddle]

the concept of carrying people through a raid hasnt been addressed is a general thing

[sand marsh]

because. people. like. to. minmax

its not a hard concept

if u dont wanna minmax and be casual thats fine

[queen grail]

Because, people, like, to, find, creative, way's, to, make, more, than, the, game, tries, to, limit.

[slow saddle]

like if they addressed whats required to complete/get the rewards for a raid, bussing (or just carrying people), can be fully locked down

[sand marsh]

you think smilegating limiting your gold with this massively rng shitty system is a good thing?

everyone always hates on the millionares until they become one themselves

[queen grail]

I think that's the game and the frames you should work within

[sand marsh]

u dont believe anything ur saying

100%

[queen grail]

Don't speak for me,

Weirdo.

[pine imp]

im as rich as a busser and I still disagree with bussing

[slow saddle]

fuck bussing

[sand marsh]

you have 40mil gold?

myb thanos

[pine imp]

I do I can swipe for 500m gold too if i wanted to right now

[slow saddle]

most ppl who bus have the same mentality of doing 'whatever it takes' instead of being ethical as a player

not everyone, but most

[pine imp]

whats your pt

[sand marsh]

and thats something you want to do. but somehow bussing is the evil boogieman

[pine imp]

thats something I want to do?

you said when you are just as rich as them id view it differently

no I don't

[sand marsh]

yeah im sure ur very rich man

[queen grail]

So what is it? You don't make millions bussing or you do?

[pine imp]

u can objectively just see bussing carry rats and rats make the majority of gold inflation

[slow saddle]

i dont believe bussing per say is the 'evil' but it does stem from unethical stances imo

[pine imp]

if rats can't get all this gold they can't inflate anything

[robust birch]

Bussing killed my grandmother

[slow saddle]

you could carry and teach people for free, but instead choose to monetize it and create/support greater issues the game has

[sand marsh]

bussing does not cause gold inflation like you think it does

[pine imp]

the same way CoA has no ability to even create gold to trade

[dusk cape]

what a stark difference compared to 27k yesterday

[sand marsh]

there's far less people bussing and way more people making alt accounts to farm low tier raids

[slow saddle]

bussing is what enables alt rosters and gold generation to exist in the way it does

no matter how we look at it, it comes down to whats leading to gold generation

[queen grail]

The issue is not only that you could help and teach, It's just that you're pumping more gold into the game that should never have been there to begin with in combination with pumping millions into specific people from that.

It's just playing on easy mode skirting the laws of the game and honestly I wouldn't mind if they just banned bussing totally.

[pine imp]

these alt rosters with no hands or gear can't even clear NM raids the fk

guy has never seen actually rat lobbies

[sand marsh]

ive been in plenty of rat lobbies. made an entire video series about it

[slow saddle]

not saying its exclusively the cause, but it has a heavy hand in allowing for it

[sand marsh]

you understimate alt accounts bud

[pine imp]

no I don't you just don't get bussing is a massive enabler

[sand marsh]

bussing not existing wont change the fact that smilegate will continue to make shitty systems. bussing doesnt change the fact that minmaxing astrogems cost millions upon millions of gold

you either bus, or you don't. it is what it is

[pine imp]

ok if it doesn't matter remove bussing

idk whats so hard about that

so we agree

damn was so ez

[queen grail]

Gottem

[sand marsh]

if it doesnt matter, removing or not shouldnt be a conversation

[pine imp]

actually

[sand marsh]

the conversation should be pointing the finger at smilegate

instead of thinking bussing is the reason why the game is so bad lmao

[pine imp]

guy says bussing is irrelevant so removing it hurts noone ok then remove it

[queen grail]

You're the one that says it does not matter's, I think bussing matter's in the sense that It's a negative impact on the general population of the game so that a few % can get infinity rich compared.

Stinky stinky

[sand marsh]

if it hurts no one why is it a topic

shit on smilegate, not bussing

[lilac frigate]

usually the finger should be pointed at both

[sand marsh]

fail to see the big picture is actually crazy

[pine imp]

then we all agree to remove bussing thats all there is to it

idk seems simple to me

[sand marsh]

continuing to eat the shit that smilegate serves you is honestly an amazing feat

and failing to see they are the issue

[pine imp]

wow you live life

u eat shit everyday

what else is new

[slow saddle]

i agree with shitting on smilegate

[pine imp]

you legit just discussing rando shet in here is u eating shit

huh weird

[queen grail]

Ye, pumping in an insane amount of millions into the economy for sure does not hurt anyone that's why our market's are so nice

[slow saddle]

but i have a personal issue of players just promoting shitty behavior

it goes both ways

its the same ppl who make excuses of

its the devs fault i can exploit

[coarse wigeon]

RMT ez as 123

[slow saddle]

then pikasurprise face when they get smited

[pine imp]

I mean anything that has trading and allow multi accs always leads to inflated econ

thats just what it is and it hasn't changed in 50 years

[sand marsh]

bussing doesnt account for the amount of gold you think it does. the alt accounters i know, make way more gold than a busser ever do. there's a reason why people bus. the systems are expensive and annoying. people want to minmax stuff. cant stop it

u ban bussing tomorrow, people will just go to discord and facilitate that way

only way to truly fix the game is to change the entire system of how progression works

[queen grail]

Ok.

[sand marsh]

it was a joke lol

ive never owned 40mil gold lol

[queen grail]

So remove anything that cost gold and boom you fixed honing, nice,

[sand marsh]

thats a step in the right direction. honing in wow cost 20 gold

[slow saddle]

they could make everything material based only

[queen grail]

then go play wow? It's not the same style of game and you've known this for 4 year's.

[coarse wigeon]

bussing ppl is peasant money compared to black market sellers and how they earn/funnel gold

[slow saddle]

but they still need some medium to allow for more flexibility for trading

[sand marsh]

i am playing it right now

[slow saddle]

even if trading is locked down, a currency generally always exists in ANY game

[queen grail]

good good, enjoy.

[sand marsh]

yea the problem is structuring the entire game around a single currency

[nova garden]

How’s your mount collection going?

[sand marsh]

not good

[pine imp]

bro

can we just ban these invite spammers

wtf is this

[dusk cape]

in BDO it didnt for the longest so ppl just bought piloting services from 3rd world countries to grind on their accounts

[mortal burrow]

<@&938198046896955542>

oop

[robust birch]

Wait

I wanted that

[slow saddle]

i dont necessarily think its a problem since we have a lot of other things to collect material wise for upgrades

I just think they need to do a better job with clamping unfairness down through exploitation (including those habits involved wiht it) and let the economy adjust afterwards

[pine imp]

raid gold is still the fastest character main gold source on an alt

[slow saddle]

naw missing the point

[mortal burrow]

i..

damn i forgot icy replied just a few msgs before

oop

[slow saddle]

dont confuse free/locked down trading with piloting

[sand marsh]

even if you adjust the economy, the fact that smilegate thinks its okay to create systems that take months to finish is diabolical

[slow saddle]

BDO had trade locked down since forever, ANY game will always have piloting no matter what

[nova garden]

I just did

[slow saddle]

they're 2 separate things

[dusk cape]

exactly so it will never be fully fair EVER

[pine imp]

none of the content even requires ancient cores

or even maxed side nodes

wtf

[mortal burrow]

are tey even new people?

[slow saddle]

that doesnt mean we cant have a game that is as close to fair as possible

its a moot point

[sand marsh]

im not taking about ancient cores

[nova garden]

No

[sand marsh]

or even min maxed astrogems

[mortal burrow]

or just people in the disc who clicked on links

[pine imp]

none of the raids require lvl 10 gems

[mortal burrow]

[pine imp]

none of the raids require full engravings either

[slow saddle]

im fine wiht systems taking a while to finish but im also just an old head when it comes to MMOs

i also understand people want more instant gratification

[sand marsh]

no raid requires cores or level 7 gems. just dont interact with it?

yeah i guess ur right

[slow saddle]

either direction is fine for all i care

[pine imp]

guess what frontier did something right about not needing fking maxed out chars

oh no weirdge

[slow saddle]

whether ark grid took 1 year or 1 month, wouldnt matter to me personally

[pine imp]

guys can't read from lvl 10 gems and maxed engravings which is the majority of the insane gold

[nova garden]

Virtually all of those spammers are real people who’ve clicked on a link leading to that discord then got their account hacked by that discord.

[sand marsh]

your arguement of "dont need it" doesn't mean much. the point of an MMO is to progress

making ur character stronger

[pine imp]

guy has never heard of FOMO or whale bait or P2W

[sharp rock]

Eat my ass bro

[mortal burrow]

i would to memo

[slow saddle]

yeah idk much about the 'dont need it' part, its a mixed bag of personalities when it comes to that

[pine imp]

guy prob has never played a gacha game F2P

[nova garden]

I’m F2P in all gacha I play

[pine imp]

oh no but don't u need e6 icy?

pROGRESSION

[mortal burrow]

do u play

[slow saddle]

i don't need what i have but i choose because i enjoy capping out progression

Some folks want it 'now', some dont care about the timeframe

Some just settle

all mixed bag

[mortal burrow]

umamusame

[nova garden]

Nah

[mortal burrow]

or whatever it's called

[vagrant cradle]

FREE YOURSELF FROM GACHAS

[nova garden]

Game is too galaxy brain for me

[pine imp]

dont u need that weapon and min max STAMINA on subs on gear?!?!?

[vagrant cradle]

[sand marsh]

ive never experiencing systems that took as long as lost ark. then again i come from WoW prior to LA. getting BiS gear may have taken a while, but close to BiS wasn't that time consuming. and you didn't need to do 3 raids on 6 chars a week for that. the combination of it all just makes it feel bad

[pine imp]

cos content too hard progression

[nova garden]

I quit loa to play more gacha

[fathom cloak]

[vagrant cradle]

that's definitely a choice

[mortal burrow]

it's a huge thing in kmmos

like elsword, lost ark, dfo

[sand marsh]

i know it is

[mortal burrow]

etc.

[nova garden]

I’ve been F2P in wuwa for like a week now.

[pine imp]

WoW is like the watered down of everything

[nova garden]

[pine imp]

guy prob never played cabal online dragon nest neverwinter everquest silkroad online lineage etc

[sand marsh]

no why would i play that when those are all shit lol

[sharp rock]

Lineage omg , that game was fire and ass at the same time

[slow saddle]

opposite for me

BDO and RS took months, sometimes years for some upgrades

[pine imp]

truly spoken like an ignorant person

games are shit don't know systems

plays lost ark

wonders why it existed for 30 years

[sand marsh]

there's a reason why simplicity and not catering to hardcore is a recipe for success

[pine imp]

guy legit discovered something that existed for eons

[sand marsh]

OSRS is a good point, but that's a vastly different category of MMO if you ask me.

[sand marsh]

i know why it exists

i have 15k hours in the game

[sharp rock]

Argating in dekaron was the same like honing in loa. But it took way longer to achieve. Dunno why ppl are so lazy nowadays

[dusk cape]

dekaron/2moons best mmo!

[pine imp]

I mean didn't u say earlier lost ark is like eating shit

so u ate 15k hrs of shit?

[sand marsh]

i sure did

15k more that i wont tho

if the game lasts that long tha tis

[pine imp]

doesn't matter you just gonna go somewhere else and do the same thing

[sharp rock]

I mean for the time it was out, it was peak imo

[pine imp]

doesn't even have to be lost ark

[sand marsh]

i dont bus in WoW

[pine imp]

lost ark is just a name

[sand marsh]

because i dont feel the need too

[dusk cape]

it sure was, also a korean mmo!

miss deadfront

[pine imp]

imagine bussing not existing or piloting account selling existing in wow

or lvling services

etc

[sharp rock]

Deadfront Best, waiting 20 min with all the groups and have a chat while waiting for peak content, bro I miss those times...

[sand marsh]

doesn't have a large impact on the game. i play very casually and my main is juiced. you dont need gold to progress in WoW like LA

[lilac frigate]

pretty sure the gold degeneracy is way worse in wow

[pine imp]

I mean you are legit talking about 2 different games

[nova garden]

Well, imma sleep. Have fun with… whatever you all are talking about. And try to keep it civil.

[sand marsh]

yes i am takking about two diff games

[sharp rock]

N8 Bro

[pine imp]

thats like saying League is the same as Dota

weird

[lilac frigate]

good night

[sand marsh]

wow could learn from LA and LA could learn from wow

just because its two diff games doesnt mean some things cant change and be implemented

[lilac frigate]

... I dont think I want LA to learn anything from wow

[pine imp]

damn WoW still hasn't learned after 10 years

how old is that shit game

still didn't perfect it

[sand marsh]

oh trust me you do. unless you really liked elixirs, transcedence and astrogems

in which case, more power to ya

[pine imp]

oh its 22 years old

and its still garbage

[sand marsh]

no one is perfect

[vagrant cradle]

I can't wait for the next system they add to lost ark

[pine imp]

22 YEARS

[vagrant cradle]

it's going to be amazing for sure

[sand marsh]

but after 22 years its still insanely popular

crazy

[pine imp]

crazy its just a seasonal game nowadays

2 week game

[sand marsh]

you right. lost ark is the best game ever

you beat me

i go eat now

[slow saddle]

thats what bdo turned into

once a week style game

u 'can' grind but dont need to

[pine imp]

most games have turned to weird ass seasonal games

[slow saddle]

yeah

[pine imp]

even like once human did that

[slow saddle]

personally i dont mind it cus i dont wanna grind anymore lmao

too old for that

i just like games with simple dailies/weeklies

let me kinda play everything

i play LA/OH/WWM/BDO atm

[pine imp]

yea I don't wanna run seasonal nonsense and restart

[slow saddle]

i can cycle all of it in a healthy manner each week

the restart part is annoying for sure

OH has perma servers btw so its not really a thing

[pine imp]

whats OH?

[slow saddle]

and if u want to play other stuff, the important things carry over

once human

[lilac frigate]

doesnt mean i would want anything wow has

[pine imp]

OHHHHHHHHH

i played OH for like 1 time after 2 years of release

[dusk cape]

didnt they just get rid of Advanced honing with Serca? i'm scared for whatever comes next

[lilac frigate]

I dont want my purple shit to replaced by blue shit

[sand marsh]

progression wise you would

[vagrant cradle]

no im talking about after serca

[sand marsh]

combat wise, you wouldnt

[pine imp]

just wanted some survival thing and realized the game doesn't even utilize survival as its core

[sand marsh]

ofc

[vagrant cradle]

also advanced honing isnt gone

you need to have finished advanced honing to use the serca mat

[lilac frigate]

no, I do not like wows progression. I do not think it would fit

so no, you are wrong

[queen grail]

So you want to do a raid with 20 people but only a few per raids get's something and you have to save up DKP to bid on the meta item you've been waiting for 4 months for?

[sand marsh]

so u like everything to come from the same raids per week, 3 times per char for months until the next raid?

no other way to progress?

interesting

[dusk cape]

yea but i believe the base item level is way higher of the neew gear, like AH doesnt show up anymore in the tooltip, hence i thought they removed it

[sand marsh]

no, wow doesn't really work like that anymore

[dusk cape]

AH is actually a system i like, regular honing on the other hand

[sand marsh]

in classic you'd be right tho

[vagrant cradle]

it's just baked into the gear afaik after you use the serca mat

but we'll see next week you can just compare base stats before and after

[pine imp]

the whole rando loot and not getting gear for months sounds garbo

wait that sounds like doing NM raids and not getting relic cores

[sand marsh]

yah thankfully that doesnt really exist anymore

[queen grail]

So what now? You just play and get loot from derping around? Sounds, unrewarding too.

[pine imp]

[vagrant cradle]

everyone thought that when they first added advanced honing

[sand marsh]

and the difference between BiS gear and non BiS gear isn't that massive. can still purple parse+

[vagrant cradle]

thought that's what they would use from then on

but we see how that went

[dusk cape]

yea i was one of those people, man i was wrong

[vagrant cradle]

[sand marsh]

ur describing every MMO

if i could put what u said in lost ark words

"you just do kazeros for 3 months and play a clicking simulator" sounds unrewarding"

[lilac frigate]

what I would want is not something wow offers.
and wow is the same in that sense just that you only do it on 1 character.

[sand marsh]

i think most people would agree that alternative ways to progress is healthy for LA

[swift tree]

That's how all RPGs work, you get rewards by engaging with various forms of content- some trivial, some more difficult (with higher reward payouts)

[sand marsh]

open world content, crafting, etc.

[swift tree]

use those rewards to build character

^different stuff usually themed around exploration, crafting, economics, raiding, dungeons or monster grinding

[queen grail]

Fun part of wow was raiding with people you knew tho and getting excited for gear, at least when I played

[dusk cape]

better than my purples >.>

[lilac frigate]

open world content often boils down to bullshit like just stacking and it being freeloot or pvp shit

[queen grail]

I mean, you might be playing clicking simulator since you play OmegaPaladin Other's have to focus a bit during raid

[vagrant cradle]

lost ark my exclusive raiding game for 1 day and then afk for 6 days

[lilac frigate]

and crafting is just a click or time investement most of the time

[swift tree]

yes but you still had to do expansion quests / entry-content / dailies for starter gear before immediately jumping to raids

[sand marsh]

talking about astrogems, honing, etc lol.

[lilac frigate]

im not saying stuff doesnt have its place but im saying that I dont see the point of porting any of that to LA

[queen grail]

Sure, but that you also did mostly with people you knew and some puggings, Oh the good old day's of hardcore wow.

[sand marsh]

yeah if LA had something like this it'd be great. not saying to change the entire structure but ways for casual to progress outside of raiding is fundamental for long-term growth

[swift tree]

I mean people who aren't one-trick-ponies when it comes to just mindless doing LOA Raids also do shit like lifeskilling, stronghold, islands etc.

[sand marsh]

yeah. it is the small minority but your right

[swift tree]

KR team actually acknowledging its needed is a massive step in the right direction

[sand marsh]

acknowledging it and actually doing it

ill wait until it actually happens

[vagrant cradle]

i used to do all that extra stuff

but gave up on them a long time ago

[swift tree]

"Non-linear expansion style continent update with various islands, stories, dungeons and explorable areas"

is what they're claiming to be working on

[queen grail]

I would do a lot more lifeskills but Busser's ruined the economy for Blue Gem's and now

[sand marsh]

right, but will that stuff actually allow you to hone and progress alternative systems without the need to raid. and whats the rate of said progression

thats whats really important

[queen grail]

[lilac frigate]

after days I got blue gems for 16k

[swift tree]

if they were smart they'd integrate it with Paradise (alternative sources of keys per week etc)

[queen grail]

nice

[dusk cape]

you missed when i posted 30 mins ago, 4k blues were selling for 16k on EUC

[lilac frigate]

sure the prices are up again but hey, I got some

[dusk cape]

i bought half of it

[sand marsh]

that would be smart. but paradise also needs a bit of an overhaul

a way to target farm to a degree if you ask me.

and only doing keys will get very old, very quickly

for those who dont want to raid or arent interested in it

[queen grail]

[queen grail]

https://giphy.com/gifs/evil-BZlNhp9L5WINi

[vagrant cradle]

that sounds too reliable and opposite to the mass rng strategy everything they have going

[dusk cape]

[sand marsh]

yeah its never going to happen lol

[swift tree]

oh ofc but it allows them to adjust material rates as a whole instead of just saying “fuck it” and ripping out sources because there’s too many to manage at once

[sand marsh]

they will just continue the same old strategy they always have

[sand marsh]

what would be really nice is actually implementing flex raiding. or some LFR type content

[swift tree]

Well yeah have to keep the gacha model somewhat active- especially since Korea has specifically pushed the game away from long but fixed grinds it originally had

[swift tree]

That looks to be a stretch-goal they’re working on whilst there’s this break period

[queen grail]

Give us option to rest a week's worth of raid and get double next week

[dusk cape]

YEEEES

[vagrant cradle]

damn i wish

[sand marsh]

i mean they have LFR built into the game already and they removed it

[swift tree]

They discussed flex raids with “mercenary players” as an idea in a dev stream showing a mockup but nothing announced

[sand marsh]

remember rehearsal mode lol

was a perfect way to implement that

[queen grail]

If they did it oh lord.

You have a bad week? You're sick? You don't have time? No worries, chill this week.

[dusk cape]

that's one thing i miss about old mmos`s, going mia for a few weeks then come back and grind my butt off, none of the weekly lockout BS

[swift tree]

They replaced rehearsal with solo and normal. Normal is now entry-point for group. Solo gives you bare minimum expectations

[sand marsh]

well this wouldnt be bad in lost ark but the problem is the catchup systems never are enough

i could step away for an entire season in wow, come back and catch up in like 2-3 weeks in terms of item level

cant do that in lost ark

[swift tree]

Problem is solo comes way too late so you’re overlevelled by the time it drops and normal/hard community has power scaled past all relevant mechanics that you’d apply solo experience to

[vagrant cradle]

imagine how many more alt accounts there would be

[sand marsh]

well, that goes back to making gold less important

and not embedded into every single little thing

[swift tree]

weekly lock big reason for that. catch-up has the same time-delay as regular endgame

[sand marsh]

weekly lockouts are fine

[dusk cape]

this is why i made a 2nd roster on different server

[sand marsh]

the problem is if you want to step away from the hamsteer wheel of LA for a while

[swift tree]

for older content tho :L

[sand marsh]

ohh

yeah i suppose

[queen grail]

I'd rather they just work on the system we have and making them better, cube should only drop relic on top-end cube for one

[vagrant cradle]

i mean to be fair you could step away right now and be good to go for whatever they add 6 months from now

[swift tree]

like, do Legion Raids need locks at this point? (make them drop bound gold)

[sand marsh]

it wouldnt be a bad idea to make older content infinitely repeatable for progression until a certain bracket is reached

its all bound anyways

[swift tree]

exactly

[sand marsh]

this would actually be really good

never thought of that tbh

[swift tree]

also gets new players experienced with combat mechs

[vagrant cradle]

talking about all the things that will never happen

my expectations for this summer loaon are on the floor too

[swift tree]

People said solo raids would never happen

[vagrant cradle]

just going to show a new class and raid

[swift tree]

[vagrant cradle]

[swift tree]

They’re guaranteed to show Sea of Aldebaran

[dusk cape]

what on earth happen in march? that it scared soo many ppl away

[swift tree]

Roxx and Henry being fired

[vagrant cradle]

that didn't look good for sure

[swift tree]

And most mods in official leaving discord

[vagrant cradle]

completely understandable

[dusk cape]

oh right, that did happen, LA future kinda uncertain

[swift tree]

Meyham as well

[vagrant cradle]

they see roxx and henry gone, serca a pushover mostly, the abyss dungeon is a pushover too

nothing really to look forward to

im not surprised people quit

[dusk cape]

oh also new abyssal dunngeon in KR that dropped in march looked super EZ, so ppl dont feel the neeed to play and push even more

[swift tree]

Heaven forbid a game be fun instead of cbt

[dusk cape]

now i wonder how much lower those numbers are past fridays, if you remove alt accounts

[queen grail]

Serca nightmare a pushover?

[dusk cape]

all my static runs are done by thursday and half of em dont log on till next reset

[swift tree]

The lack of any “Hey Serca will let you earn gear at 1710” is probably going to generate further fomo burnout

[vagrant cradle]

i mean once you learn the patterns, yeah? for a geared party and not rats

talking like a 5k+ main

[queen grail]

So, any raids?

[sand marsh]

Serca is a mistake and im shocked they are doing it this way lol

[swift tree]

well any raid you’re in :3

[swift tree]

They changed it

[sand marsh]

how so

[swift tree]

For RU and Us

[sand marsh]

i dont recall any change

[vagrant cradle]

i mean yes but serca is also just not complicated

[queen grail]

Any raid filled with "Knows patterns and is not a rat" is just, homework raid.

[swift tree]

You need to hit 1730 to craft new gear but you can earn the materials at 1710

[sand marsh]

but u cant transfer until 1730 right?

fully adv honed?

[vagrant cradle]

yeah this is actually a nice change i didnt expect

[sand marsh]

yea see thats stupid. let people transfer at 1710 to take advantage of better honing odds

thats my take

[swift tree]

You still get materials, gold and Grid cores the same. It’s also the same material rate of doing Hard without buying boxes

[sand marsh]

yea thats a plus

not denying that

but transfer locked to 1730...

a bit stupid

[vagrant cradle]

im just glad they're letting people farm the mat pre 1730 at all

[swift tree]

of course but they to balance ratshit KR rosters and our version

[sand marsh]

they are handing you a beautiful salad for this change

but the salad still has shit in it

W

[vagrant cradle]

[sand marsh]

yeah. if only they didnt approach things from that perspective

[swift tree]

**Our steak still costs $50 but we also get unlimited breadsticks

[swift tree]

Whelp that’s the dogshit market segmentation strategy we’re stuck with.

As an Australian that consumes primarily US media/platforms- I’m used to it

[sand marsh]

a good example of a company who acknowledges degen behavior like RMT, but doesn't limit the game because of it is PoE

the devs words were actuallt SS tier

when he spoke about it

maybe its a new zealand thing

but they are smart

[lilac frigate]

its a GGG thing

[swift tree]

Less runaway corporate greed + not being part of a publicly listed company

[sand marsh]

forgot the companies name

yeah GGG lol

[sand marsh]

is smilegate publicly listed?

i didnt know that if so lol

[dusk cape]

we gonna need band-aid solutions for ark grid soon for new players, like we had with elixirs handing free 40 sets out, gap in both CP & actual power to big

[sand marsh]

yep

and the catchup would need to be insane lol

since it cost too much

[swift tree]

idk either but the parent company Smilegate as a whole conducts itself as if it is

[queen grail]

The same company that has p2w Trade System?

[sand marsh]

your calling stash tabs pay to win

xdddddd

[queen grail]

You have to pay no?

You objectivly can't trade unless you have one.

[sand marsh]

u can tho

cause ive made way more exalt by linking in chat

[lilac frigate]

you can. you just cant instant trade

[sand marsh]

vs the website

so i guess its very pay to win

[lilac frigate]

the way to trade is something people forgot and its kinda annoying though

[queen grail]

I love POE don't get me wrong, but their nicle and dime on QOL is disgusting they make plenty already and to charge for shit like Charge tab or "Currency tab" after they've made the 50'th unique shit is just, meeh.

[sand marsh]

not saying poe is perfect. they just have a good dev mentaility

theres a reason why its called path of economy

i just dont agree with tabs being pay to win

[queen grail]

So you, can't.
Unless they changed it, since no one trades using chat or something, 99,99% of trade is Trade-Site + Stash Tabs.

[sand marsh]

a lotttt of people uses trade chat still

u might of had it filtered out

[lilac frigate]

thats a misconception

you always could

[sand marsh]

pretty sure u did since some people filter out that chat

[lilac frigate]

you can list your stuff on the trade site without a premium tab

[queen grail]

Ye, the 0,01% of people I guess.

[swift tree]

monetising convenience was always preferable to monetising the direct gameplay experience loop

[lilac frigate]

people just forgot about it and dont mention it ever

because its annoying

[queen grail]

Monetising skins like League is true peak.

[sand marsh]

also, lets say it is pay to win. it's a one time purchase

[queen grail]

Let's be real.

[sand marsh]

and cost pennies

compared to other games

with actual pay to win

[queen grail]

Anything else is either being a scumbag or something else

[sand marsh]

lets be honest about that at least

[swift tree]

League is a match based game. Any character progress is over once a round finishes. It’s apples to oranges despite everyone comparing every fucking arpg to it.

[sand marsh]

there's levels to it. and in this era, monetizing stash tabs, cosmetics and nothing else. is extremely tame compared to 99.9% of games

[pine imp]

I mean at the end of the day you dictate what game is fun to you and what your own enjoyment is in a video game

[swift tree]

There’s no need to store character data, host large databases of inventory storage, guilds, mounts, open maps, npc dialogue trees etc. that require significantly more development costs

[queen grail]

Considering the huge cosmetic shop POE has, and the amount of people I saw with it, I think It's safe to assume they could have easily had the lights on and more with that same model.

[swift tree]

see my last message

[sand marsh]

i dont even play PoE. maybe once every few leagues if the league looks cool.

i just like where there head is at

[queen grail]

Ok, wow also has that and they didn't charge you irl gold for bank stash tab's did they? Or to access Auction

[sand marsh]

with there mentality

[queen grail]

Either way's, they already are making a ton from cosmetic.

Why not just stick to that

[swift tree]

WoW wasn’t F2P

[pine imp]

PoE not having convenient trading without having stash tabs was super annoying

the fact that you can't even sell conveniently without P2W is insane

[sand marsh]

i rememebr GGG answering a question someone asked. it was something like "with how bad RMT is, can you remove the player trading in the game" and he responded basically saying "we wont remove trading because RMT exists, we dont want to limit our players due to bad actors" basically

it was a W response

[queen grail]

It became It

[pine imp]

yea thats why PoE economy is always dogshit after 2 weeks

[swift tree]

I mean collective punishment is always a shit decision. It just dissuades honest player conduct

[sand marsh]

yeah i agree zero, but if u remove player trading, you remove a massive part of the game

and by implementing road blocks, you end up limiting a large part of your honest audience

look how well "Trusted" works in lost ark

it does fucking nothing lmao

[pine imp]

idk if u removed trading in lost ark you basically kill the game

[swift tree]

“If I’m going go be punished for someone else taking advantage of an exploit/poor-conduct regardless, why not also take part?”

[queen grail]

This is why If you play POE.

You play SSF

[pine imp]

remove the auction house and the game is dead

[swift tree]

It dies in Korea frfr

[pine imp]

[sand marsh]

no what im saying is if GGG implemented road blocks to "limit bad actors", it hinders your honest audience

like LA, they implemented trusted status

[swift tree]

which is ass

[sand marsh]

and its proven to do absolutely nothing positive for the game

[swift tree]

lbh

[pine imp]

trusted status only limited players

[sand marsh]

yeah its terrible

the amount of messages in here about how to get trusted status, how long it takes

[pine imp]

I mean if they removed trade in PoE its just SSF

[sand marsh]

just one example of punishing your entire audience because of bots

[pine imp]

and the majority of PoE players aren't SSF

[queen grail]

SSF is King 👑

Dont' have to deal with trade or shit

[pine imp]

so you still cater to your majority of ur audience

[sand marsh]

well they know there audience, which is what is important

[pine imp]

well the majority in lost ark is just rice farmers

[sand marsh]

i think thats just a loud minority that you see. i dont believe most players are rice farmers lol

[swift tree]

I’m just here to play the fucking game man

[pine imp]

idk KR stats say

1710 is like 90% of their playerbase

[sand marsh]

also depends on what ur definition of rice farmers are

[swift tree]

We aren’t KR

[pine imp]

or where gold comes from

I wouldn't be surprised if NA looks the same

[sand marsh]

KR believes in the ideology of "game investments" and equating that to IRL currency

the west on the other hand

dont give a fuck about that

[pine imp]

because the majority of ppl that play just mimick another region

everything is just being echo chambered in discord/reddit anyways

[swift tree]

**80% of gold came from below 1700 when their playerbase had an average of 1750 as their main characters.

KR is obsessed with funnelling and honing main

[sand marsh]

well NA does look the same because its smilegate who makes the rules and systems.

[dusk cape]

nah we play 6 man rosters, while alot of KR does not

[sand marsh]

you would think after publishing the game in so many diff regions

they would learn there lesson

that not everyone likes what KR likes

[pine imp]

KR is forced to play 1 main

they can't even afford to do 6 mains like in T3

[slow saddle]

damn yall aint sleeping?

tf

[swift tree]

NA/EU disproved it when not only UwUOwO showed consistently pushed rosters but also Paradise leading to full rosters pushing above 1700

[sand marsh]

T3 was the golden age of alts, yeah.

[swift tree]

Bitch it’s 5pm

[pine imp]

yea except NA is insanely RMT rampant

[sand marsh]

but the cost of maintaining alts in T4 is the same in every region. its a bit easier for us because of continious events

[swift tree]

I MAKING NUGGETS

[pine imp]

kinda insane that bunch of streamers are RMTers