#lost-ark-discussions
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Soon 3k 
Yeah I'm already 1 node in... I just cant see myself spending 60k+ on a book that's really not all that crazy
I hope so
Do I need a bunch of alts still like the OG days? Or is it safe to have one main and alts for "fun" vs necessary for progression??
It's been a minute
nah
you never really needed alts
you make alts if you wanna extend your playtime or try out different classes
I have 3 Lv.8s to buy... but theyre kinda useless lmao
they are a net negative in terms of gold
Nah that's KR propaganda. You can certainly benefit by earning gold on a lot of characters but you don't need them
I might just buy the Sunwell Lv.8 and stop there
That's my chad support with a level 10 gem 
Cool. Thansk for the clarification!
Itching so bad to sell it but I wont for the sake of prog

Speaking of, so you know when you want to prog? Assuming serca releases on the 15th?
Like evenings? Or are you off that Wednesday?
Lemme check the calendar
No real rush. I was just gonna ask the old static if anyone wants to prog with us
Whether we recruit from here or there, ideally we don't just pug randos
I am off that Wednesday, so anytime that day is fine.
Okii, I will see if any of the old home bois want in
Okayyyyy

Holy
Nice

Next week I get my 3rd pity core for her so we kinda cooking

We're synced up after my Reaper mainswap

hey @distant swallow are you on the game

r u on gam
i need someone to shit n an argeos for me

oke
LMAO
i need a 1tap bruh
no im on my stupid ass valk farming gems

I cant believe this guy still plays
He used to bus me in Kayagenl before I learned it
Message him and tell him you love him for the help in the past
You'd be shocked how much people remember
I had a guy whisper me 2 year's or so after I logged on my Tank in WoW just to say I was the best tank he's played with still 
Okay, im online
I can "help" with argussy
I am drink
i got many whispers when i came back
sadly most people who still play removed me as a friend as i was. 2 years offline
I got a gem reward. I think I fk'd up and took argussy soul by accident
It's okay
I wont regret it until tomorrow when I know what happened
& then I probably wont regret it until the 15th when Im not full rested
Do you need any other guardians?
im too lazy to do legion raids..
yeah just that one
but i shbould for those cards
only 49% more.
wait, you cant solo argeos on valk?
you can yeah but i dont like it
You can solo anyone on anything if youre not a chump
Gotta say, I don't like this map 
im a chump
far from the worst
but it is ass
Fair. So am I
It's one of the most derp Guardian one but ye, there are worse ones,
I just never got the whole "Let's make the map huge" for instance boss fights like this.
It's like walking to the boss in Raids, the novelty is gone after you've done it a few times, at least in WoW when you cleared from boss to boss there was Trash-Loot + a bit of a reason/challenge too it.
time to merge more yemmies
yemmie merge
Nice haul this week
I think I did my last 8 but already forgor

Crazy, time to take a drink
I need to do 6k energy worth of logging then that's done for the week too
6k aint bad
have you paid your abidos taxes yet?
I hope the tax goes to me to fund wep taps
you need to send 10% of your logging rewards to the poor for the social taxes
its me, im the poor
Insert Dyno telling you to speak enlgish
Thats certainly not a command
Got my destroyer an 8 for their Hypergravity this week
?Dog
You plan on playing your destroyer?
He's judging you guys.
?english
It’s already in main 6
What ilvl?
It’s 1715 w/ 100 quality
What a silly dog, you silly dog that house is too small for you 
My main is 1740 tho :< y not that
because im going on support
yes but he has a dps in main 6 its just not 1730
oof
Destroyer/GL/Mayhem are in middle of starting AH 40 and still +18 on some pieces
let alone just started A4 this week
I think
All pallys need to face public execution
and the class be removed for any further problems
My DI Pally is providing me 0 mana
0 dr
0 holy aura
hes literally just running around
like my entire party is dead and we're not out of basement?
PERMA SPINNING THE GUARDS
like get this fucker out of the game
thats a skill issue on the partys part
have you considered telling him to stop being stupid
no its not
we're tanking chains
and we insta died
Just dont tank chains ez
actually so disgusting
what are you doing with DR that you cant cast that or awakening before or during chains?
Skill issue
the boss is literally doing a clash and afking for 15s
Being a oongka and pressing V off the rip for meter like it’s 2022
huh
tryna figure out why the slayer was shit
discord.gif
Whale substats
same.
below what average...the avg of all whales combined?
average 5k+ main

The hill to get higher is long and hard
@dull obsidian
yeh I'm weak aswell
ark grid holding me back
books holding me back
last hone holding me back
accessories holding me back
shit 9/7 holding me back
we need a gold sink
frog is temporary
theres 0 gold sinks in the game other than astrogem gold cutting
We need a complete overhaul to rewards across the board
like tf is even going on
we are earning 800k+ a week EASILY
that gold isn't being deleted
its being traded around in AH
ooh 5% tax
yeh that shit isn't doing anything
Jk its 2am and I cant be invested
Make Gem's into "Books" and increase It to Lv.12
Do it SG.
Idk
@neon cedar New PB in Nm Kaz on my sorcy 
I think we just need the ark grid guy to sell more weekly epic selector astrogems
like 3 of them
30-40k each
so stronk
Who the Fuck buys that 
Lightning Bolt is genuinely so fucking strong
thats hardly a dent on our weekly income
HellNo.
I have plenty of Astrogem's from an Army of Alt's 
"army of alts"

Literally
Motherducker I only have 17 char's
and not all are 1700 yet.
The only thing people are fiending for atm are 9 cost astrogems
cores arent even anywhere near the issue for end game players
astrogems are
cores are an issue for those still doing NM
(Still think that they should change all epic to legendary cores retroactively)
it literally exist to force people to hone
idk how they went from
Get better way's to make people want to hone, It's just anti-fun.
2x slower nm/hm progression
you either pray to rng for relic drops, accept the slow pity rate for being a nm enjoyer or hone to hm

Skill issue
it's not anti fun
anti fun would be getting 0 grid for doing nm
its just annoying as fuck
No that would just be giga ultra dent, instead of regular dent.
overall
Icee do you have kazoos left...
I've been scarred again by yet another pug paladijn
and honestly get rid of this
only got 1
5 Vita
i dont spend money on lost ark
Yes then don't spend it on Loa and have more money
Get Sid Wep 
bruh
Nothing cool in gaming tomorrow
But more money will be nice
I hate mord...
mordum is becoming how echidna was
I hated echidna v1 with a fkng passion by the time we moved on from it
Goodluck tomorrow.
I have one at Rank 9, but I'm worried she'll lose it 
LIKE I AM SO GAPPED
she will
I don't have a +9 piece...
it already felt that way a few months in for me
just going back into the mines for gold
3 gate raid is 2 too many
3 gate raid with long staggered walks between bosses is insidious
Walk to Gate 2 worse than gate 2
I mean the Red Moon arena is a money shot but we don’t need the clunky drama sequence re:Luterra/Lazeniths before it
Considering I was driving 30 mins ago, prob best not
Man i kinda feel bad for Kanye
Just wants to headline Wireless but literally everyone hates him
I don’t, I’m just here for Lost Ark and shit posts
Gee I wonder why
Good god a pos msgd me to "test their game"
Huh
Why would I ever test someones game tho 

I got Raids to do.

I can't wait until we have 100% crit.
anyone got armoche 
is there a paradise build for this?
i can't even get top 30%
or is there paradise setup on nexus? last i checked i didn't see one
press more button get more lucky 
i hate db in paradise
thats why i kinda feel bad for him
i think he was a homie like 10-15 years ago but went completely insane like you say
it was better when he was just focused on being the best musician he could
he can at-least take comfort that with the Don Don doing what he's doing he's now only the 2nd most unhinged person in america


I just made my own
dont run maelstrom lmao
@worldly hawk
I am
0/3 back in Australia emerald atm
Australia > CHINA??
My Ezreal built Tear -> Cloak + Boots
really bro just build a sheen or double longsword wtf
any kazeros run left anyone need 3 dds
Are twitch drops active? I can't see it but streams are advertising drops are available.
Streams will always say "drops activated" even if there is no drops soo
Frfr

oh no
serca hardmode gatekeep is gonna suck after the first few weeks
cause if people think we need 3.5k for prog then how are we gonna get that with characters that hit 1730 later down the line?
and i don't see the gatekeep getting easier on that front since all the characters that have been doing serca for a while will be higher combat power than that
i think a 'natural' combat power for 1730 is gonna be 3k or maybe even a little below at like 2.9k
you can be 3,5k at 1720 just fine
a normal character of a normal player is not gonna be 3.5k at 1730
you've gotta go significantly out of your way to boost your character beyond what you would naturally get at that point
they buy a bus or tell someone to help them
yeah i guess thats how it usually goes
SG & community create high standards to get into progression raid, so bus ends up being the only reasonable way to progress
and then later they complain about buses
Well blame the shitty community
The new stagger system or w.e rumble or whatever called isn't helping either

i think this time it's gonna be SG's fault
SG keeps setting HM requirements too high to get you to swipe
Well duh HMs were always monetized
Unless you're lucky or swiping ofc
It started with Akkan
but it's definitely been the case from akkan onward
High requirements no difference in loot ppl got mad
With that being said 3.300 CP for HM Serca isn't too bad
that is nothing
i wonder if the only reason people didn't mind armoche hm so much is because everyone was aiming for kaz hm
there is plenty of people with full 6s that have that at 1730
so they were already well-overgeared for armoche
The 5k CP people will ask for Nightmare is worse
there's no way
look around
Its very possible with ark grid
my SE is like
2500 at 1720 with full 6s
and with full 8s is like 3100
there's just no way i see that being the case

Im at 3600 with lvl 8s, mid astrogems and only one maxed relic book
you have to have some monster bracele,t all the books done n shit
Well almost 3700
are you 1730?
Well 1740 xD
i think with full 6s you'd be 3100
My CP is low for my ilvl
3700 / 1.008^22 = 3105
Still enough for hard mode after i learn patterns
yeah but then take off 10 ilvls too
very very mediocre character btw
that's what i'm talking about
full relic books and 1736 and it's only 3200? really?
?
1730 isn't high
you are acting like that 6 ilvls does anything
and the next raid hm is 1720
depens on what it's in
if it's mostly weapon that could be a good 200-300 combat power
wait 3.2k with just lvl 6s, kinda juiced
it is the power of arkgrid
the average of the 1720-1730 and 1730-1740 bracket combat power is like 2950
ye cause people keep ignoring arkgrid
wrong and wrong
"the average 1720-1730 (that's a bracket) and the 1730-1740 ( that bracket) is 2950
which is inot
My Valk at 1720 is at 2300 with zero good ark grid
because 1730 people are in the middle of the 1720-1730 and 1730-1740 brackets

my offroster garbage be like
Combat power is multiplicative so going from 2300 to 3k is actually quite a journey
I have a 2750 at 1720 and I'm worried about that character
Ark Grid and you have relic books
Mostly level 7 gems, got red ark grid done
which arkgrid
I sure hope I won't do normal mode forever
I would like that character to get to 1730 eventually you know
Well yeah
oh the character from earlier
At which point I'll probably be like 2950-3000
And if gatekeep is 3500 that's going to be big pain
#lost-ark-discussions message This one.
Have similar cp with 7s and half ark grid but fewer relic books
if i want to level one alts cp should i buy gems or finish engravings
i have level 7 gems and some 8s
Gems >>> books when it comes to combat power of a single char
yeah i got one 1730 so i wanna invist everything in her
depends on the engravings tbh
Also yeah what bara said
If it's a support then combat power is one thing, but some of those engravings make you a much more effective support
not supp for a dps sorc
makes sense
9s or 8s?
Well whatever you can afford
neither
The increase of one level of gem gives about 0.8% combat power
So going from a level 6 gem to a level 7 gem is +0.8%
i have 7s and 4 8s
The numbers are still the same
we gaming 
1730 below 3k is some crazy work lmao
it takes effort to do that yep
no, it's pretty normal
not really
if you got low luck on relics or astro gems, and you don't have other good verticals. you'll be below 3k since it's easy to hone to 1730
hell, its easy to hone to 1740 if you just keep tapping
1740 ehhhh
if you're a luck sac
ye, just ignore ark grid for the most part while tapping up "free" with paradise 
what if im 1730 but 4k
above average

@paper scroll wtf he has lvl 6 gems on a 3000 combat char get him!!
i am NOT increasing a 5% dmg spell by 4% dmg NUH UH
eat my entire ass 
What class is that even lmao
striker
why stop at 1740, just yolo it to 1755 and ignore every other system in the game and then be mad at the evil gatekeepers not letting you in their lobby
If u whale to 1755 there's no shot u are naked everywhere else
we must test how degenerate one can be before it's too much. or should i say not enough
I agree, excellent idea.
Paypal me 10k and ill test
🐳

wanna bet?

waaaa, a good change specific to our regions? what a time to be alive

SENSEO
IKEA

SAINTSEIYA
time🐳

are siderial weapons a thing ? i never see any1 using one but im not that high on gearlevel yet ?
no
only for heavy spenders
ye
even then its not a thing
awa 🐳
how strong is it compared to normal gear ? like +20 +25 etc ?
there is quite a few of them, but you wont see them except statics or very high groups normally
but tbh i think it's more common in EU that someone could have one
+10% over 25
way "cheaper" to get one in EU than NA
na has way more sidereals than nearly every region combined according to some stats from other discords
that surprises me
well if i think about it maybe not surprising
NA rmt land xD
yep
siderial stones being way more expensive in NA means way more people are buying up the stones. there was a point where you get them for 400k in EU and 2M in NA or so
yeah, i was surprised too, but then i realised eu is probably a lot smarter with their money
na has a big asian influence too, before china got their servers
yjj had 5 sidereal weps or so when kayangel was the top raid
i know 3-4 people with more than 4 +9 sidereals on na, but maybe only one? two? on eu
how to say he got micropenis without saing it
to just keep up with sidereal it costs around 40-50mil a year atm
which is more than most people would earn in that time
well if you whale and insta tap +25 everything day1 of serca
youd make probably double that just with raids and lifeskills before next raid release
the difference between only 25 and sidereal is quite sizeable
50m to maintain sidereal if you already had it whaling*
you dont need to spend to upkeep it, but most wont be able to
guys who are in front now with 6x 1740s and lifeskills dont really need to try, or struggle at all with costings in the game, its a huge issue for everybody else
treadmill keeps rolling and if you get off for a little bit it gets exponentially harder to keep up
you can "cheat" and play the market
i dont know about this one
but goodluck trying to figure that out if you dont even know what ark grid is
if you would have said 1755 sure ya i agree. but with soft reset and ark grid not completed 6 1740s is hard to maintain
we're talking about people in front right
so they do raids every week, hm since week1 kaz
they have finished ark grid for a while now
nothing to spend gold on other than to buy abidos timber and red stones for the reset
?
i think at this point the people who have maintained a top roster are also probably trending to be also the people who actually want to perform and do the raids
its not a total overlap, but its getting more and more aligned
you dont need arkgrid to do arkgrid raids, in fact not even serka
NM, yes HM no
you can do hm serka just fine without arkgrid if you ahve other stuff
oh okay i misunderstood the in front part. ya with ark grid finished ya. all they could do is minmaxing accs and stuff if they want to but are comfortable with gold if they dont ya.
no
yes you can
you need 3.2k min
500m dps is doable easily without ark grid, we were doing that in mordum
you are getting a 50% dmg buff that you didnt have with mordum, with comparable uptime
most people progged kaz HM at 3000-3500cp, that was before ark grid. not saying this cp is the norm without ark grid, just running HM without ark grid is not a problem
exactly
how much DOES it cost for a l9 sidereal
does that gatekeep involve a cheeky uwu peek?
surely its in the thousands right
I never said I would reccomend to take those people, im saiyng you can do it just fine
unless others dont take you lol
if you swipe on the high seas youd get it for under 10k
in na
in eu? significantly cheaper
maybe around 50m gold total idk havent done the numbers for it in yonks
judging from a passing convo i had yesterday without actually checking numbers myself thats around 1200-1500 euros
like 250-350mil now or so
for na?
eu
1500 euro seems like not from the f4 shop
assuming 0 lifeskills?

lmao no not from f4

15k+
if your sid weapon is from f4 shop then i have some nice island land in Louisiana to sell you
it is not that expensive, in the past was like 20-40k $
factoring in how expensive life skill mats are atm, somewhere between 80 and 120m gold for siderial weapon
if you buy all
we passed the amount needed a while ago
if you had been going every day buying every single mat from shop and package, since game came out
so technically you could have f2p'd a sidereal weapon but holy gawddamn no way youd be remotely sane or happy at this point if you did
I would certainly not reccomend to try and f2p maxed sidereal
"Not that expensive"
Reminder to not talk about rmt here
buying small apartment here on side of city costs like 4-6x that
not even a big city
it is cheap compared to some stuff ok
Basically free if u compare it to the cost of a jet
it is indeed
You'd be losing money not taking advantage of this


i dunno, last time i actually checked and calculated it was around just before brel release
I wonder how many "brel buses" chicky would need to buy himself side wep
and the rough price was about the same as getting a full set of 10s, finishing my ilvl push, buying accessories, and kitting out my roster
there is always a solution

my price was in kangaroo dollars, and it was wayyy south of 10k
i can see me doing this in a 6 months no raid or systems downtime

I've seen the gold u sit at paekes u can't lie in here bucko
that is rng carried. not by swiping or rmt
how many shards u got
hoping for embers for sid wep is the real psycho
yeah i can already imagine writing maxed characters only COMEBOOSTMEEEE
i play shadowhunter since lanuch i know how it feels to not be invited XD
laughs in eo sf main since release
certainly wont be the only one looking at the lobbies out there
imagine 4x3 engraving eo sf punika release
running around wondering wtf the class even does, hype doesent even change my dmg
argos? kekw
people figuring out what nesw means when they trying to x3 x3+1
Getting gatekept on class basis in this game (atleast now) is rehab material
That's not what I mean
they turbo buffed shadowhunter after years of suffering now its my turn to be classist
I don't invite justice paladin either dw
quite sure there isnt many insane enough for that
and i still do this xD


5th story today
oh must do 2 more until next week xD
I need technically 1, but should do all 11 more

may gods be with you
i need to hire bilal from fiverr
19 more for me xD but will only domy main 6 + maybe ws if she hits 1730 xD
i did 4 out of my main 6 so far xD
yay i did it
ive been raiding on all my chars these past few weeks to get them the support systems uptodate
I would if me or one of the boys are on the mains 
i do that, finish karma on all of em, +40 adv honing and buy my ark grid from shop and they can rot till tier 5
which i assume will be like 1770-1780 ilvl
if not, another gear reset and 1840?
i like my shovel. so many chests and minigames
free mats
logging gives me so much less. fk logging
you want some of these?
nice tool bro
no i need the other potions xD

since i ran out i wait 2 days to excavate for 8k energy xD
shouldnt you have a surplus of those
huh dont they use the same mats as now?
yes but y'know if you dont have them stockpiled
good i remembered correctly
i think i have plenty xD
new recipes so make sure you have the stronghold tickets ready to research
these?
i dont have enough
give me 2 weeks and it is gone 
for what? that's an insane amount
yay i've won
1780x6
Rich get richer

is that +20 all pieces?
4k reds yay
because that's 1775 :L not 1780
25 wep too
gross
The honor shards are a Bit of gold
286k ya
HONOR?!?
YES
1.3k each on NA
HONOR scharts
its like 40m shards each char

glad i am a hoarder
Blue stones actually sell?
for desperate ppl ya
they will when suddenly everyone needs them
I never needed them ever
same
soft reset + new class
Well i also dont whale and hone to high
ya thats cheap
wish I did the same, only bought 1M red stones. Now sitting on millions of gold but prices already spiked 
Just dont get whale baited
x6 day one rush
nah dont do day 1 unless you have a plan to buy back in
I like this story
@swift magnet most ahead paradise ratty ran out of bound gold at an unfortunate time 
noooo 1 more xD
since 1680 only with paradies
that one is lucky as hell
next week surely 
seems a little above average
my ratatas have averaged ~40-42 ilvl since paradise came out, no gold
since which season 
1
from 1680 onwards it starts to get slower
i prob wont go further than 1700 on rats, will just do sideshit on them then
1700 is nice rn for daily guardians
so they dont go out of territory for new events
for ark grid funnel
my plan was always to get the ws higher
to riotate 1 dps weekly at some point xD
would have worked out if not for soft reset xD
did u see we can farm the currency for soft reset on normal mode too and exchange them when we reach 1730
outside main 6 paradies only xD
huh
i somehow completely missed that o.O
RU info ig
yea
this is cool ngl





Oh pog, it was suggested on ags discord
yea its a good change, esp since serca normal is supposedly even easier than previous normal modes? so no one rly gets left out even tho they get it slower
Yea
but from what i remember it doesnt take long anyway, hardmode takes 3 weeks for full set or something like that?
ya good change. especially when they said no more mats lockout between hm and nm and then take back their word with serca in kr xD
ofc, paradise exists
normal set goes to 20 again iirc
Ok so 21
dumbest thing ever splitting nm/hm mats for progression. i am ok with less mats in nm but not locking out players
i like this toiletskill xD
they never intended for nm to have progression unlocked
i saw where they were coming from since soft reset only applies to 1730+, but theres no reason to not let ppl farm the currency beforehand so they dont have to farm 3+ weeks again AFTER hitting HM
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i get that they want ppl to hone and burn gold or swipe to 1730. but still think its dumb how the system is in kr. this evrsion so much betetr with the possibility of exchanging mats
Korea its about making players push higher.
Global audiences dont have that issue
so we dont get shafted as much
watch ppl mald that they cant softreset at 1710 anyway

no more "welcome to the cube" 
those are kinda eeeeehm well gen z like. want to get everything for free. be happy that you get smt
So weird detail, they've retconned the hourglass to several Haal locations
I wonder if there's one in Oreha
wait until lit captain or how his name was mald xD pure comedy that guy xD
2 weeks per piece for normal is crazy, but makes sense tbh
(by that time you'd hopefully honed up)
10 weeks is rookie numbers
if u want a ark grid pity box with just nm A4/Kaz it takes you like a year
well yeah, you're meant to push upwards
purples/legendary are more-so meant for putting stat astrogems on
guh
i dont think its 10 weeks per piece
lol
400 purples for a clear -> 20 ancient roots -> 40 roots per piece 
new mount
nevermind, bad translation 100 gives 5
so 2 weeks
yeah not bad 2 weeks for a piece
same as HM if you don't buy boxes
yea they dont exist in kr im pretty sure
Smilegate is the one already making these changes 
under guidance from Tencent etc but still made
I like the outfit
not everyone wants bikinis
funny how that one prestige skin is pretty much a full wetsuit on one and the other is a mankini (but not on the right person)
what is that
you can get mats for soft reset in nm
the purple ones?
still needs 1730 tho
^
damn
it's the equivalent to 0.5 rate

but still need +20 [40] to craft
i mean 1730-> insta cp pop with gear 
I mean basically
my ratty rats gonna get free shit 
it encourages people to move onto Serca and earn cores faster too
i mean 1710 is kinda free if u played for some time
yup the other bit is serca nm gets you more cores/mats and reliable gold income to push too
queenshaza

imagine if practice Brel/Clown gave mats but you still needed 1475/1490 to use em

ig the same with an eye of arkesia video that reads out loud the RU patchnotes with this annyoing youtube AI voice

Nah, it's Matt strapped to a chair
(and not in the fun way)
gigachad matt in gym cloths
so even nm give you stuff now ?
hey, its my job to be horny
im not gay
i wasnt assuming
when do we get all bosses to die at 0 hp man.. i just want my cards
1 week before EOS
Is it out
😔
prob never, smilegate forgot
would make old dl runs to easy
we're already doing them solo
i don't need to learn a raid i will never do with someone again
I NEED THIS BROOM NOW
holy broom
ill try :3
I need the view
When will they fix Valkyrie voice?
I have my doubts, but hopefully!
yeah prob never xdd
Wait what's wrong with her
need them bigger
Are broom mounts nightmare only? Or is it that specific variation?

yeah only nightmare
You know…maybe I can neglect these alts a little bit more.
Nightmare will get easier with gear reset
And once main 6 are on other side of Malady Pieces
i haven't watched serca guide
but i generally hate how in this game hard mode fights are often made more unfun/more annoying
i just dont like the multiple jg animations
it's not enough that boss has more hp and hits harder and has extra patterns, nono, we gotta add some supremely annoying phase/mechanic into it too
looking at you hm akkan
You dont like having a bunch of near identical animations you need to know the differences of?
yes
The dmv sucks
Made appt
Show up on time
Appt doesn't happen on time

















