lost-ark-discussions

[swift tree]

but... eh

[surreal gyro]

but it will not be until summer 2026 for KR

[slow saddle]

cant even grind much either on this game

Lot of other MMOs have that rough concept to play more, you earn your rewards based on your investment of time

Which lets also be real, the newer generation aint about that life

[surreal gyro]

like ..

the new continent they put out is so small

it really shows how much slow they are with development

[fathom cloak]

we doing good enough

[midnight drift]

It is just an island rite ? Not sacria empire yet

[swift tree]

Better than T&L

[surreal gyro]

its more like Pleccie

[zealous lintel]

[surreal gyro]

but smaller

[swift tree]

It's like a single zone version of Pleccia

[slow saddle]

whoa you cant say that btw

[fathom cloak]

[slow saddle]

people want a fully flushed out game with zero funding

[surreal gyro]

i dont think LoA is not making tons of money tbh

[zealous lintel]

tbf they are earning enough

[queen grail]

11,9k seems fine I see lots of grps for all raids during normal raid times.

[zealous lintel]

they are understaffed

[surreal gyro]

but i think they are allocating resources elsewhere

[slow saddle]

they probably are

[zealous lintel]

they just want all of the money

thats it

[slow saddle]

but the community has this mentality that reeks the opposite

[zealous lintel]

like basically every company out there

[surreal gyro]

it's "fine" but deifnitely a huge drop compared to 2 months ago

[slow saddle]

the game is free, what more do people expect to get out of it

[midnight drift]

Still making money but i think can be less than in its peak in Tier 3

[zealous lintel]

its a fine line between being greedy pricks or make it 50/50(or make it 60/40)

[queen grail]

It's almost like there's a drop each time it goes to long between anything to do that's not homework.

[surreal gyro]

i got some friends back in the game

3 weeks ago

the revamp of T3 and the growth support stuff is very good

[swift tree]

It will probably go back to 12k with Serca

[zealous lintel]

almost all of our guild opted out of the game

[surreal gyro]

but i dont know if anyone has the patience to sit and try how the game works

new player just get handled a power pass

and good luck

[queen grail]

Sometimes Hell is just that, hell

[slow saddle]

exactly my point earlier about how generations change tho

do we wanna sit here and honestly believe people will spend the time to learn a game across a few months?

If it's not fully flushed out in a week or two, they drop it

[midnight drift]

Same, my old static didn't even bother to respond to my post about Lost Ark news anymore lately, they all move on to play Valorant

[swift tree]

I mean they’re literally hiring more and they got re-absorbed into larger Smilegate so have access to bigger revenue pool

[surreal gyro]

yes i had to literally spend hours on discord fixing and setting up their accounts

and they would complain non stop

[slow saddle]

i have some friends that recently came back and the first thing they asked is 'how do I reach endgame'

[surreal gyro]

cause they couldnt understand

[queen grail]

Wow, thanks.

[zealous lintel]

well, thats because new player onoarding and returnee events are crap

BDO does it well

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-trips-spills-popcorn-fail-gif-7744636

[zealous lintel]

not even talking about rewards

[queen grail]

I love blackjump in hell.

[surreal gyro]

im also playing BDO currently it doenst do it well the game is just too much of a sandbox

and you can progress from 1000 ways

[zealous lintel]

i mean like the seasonal servers

[swift tree]

item level cap on Mokoko event is dumb tbh. Should just be based on raid clears

[queen grail]

The guy who coded this is a War Criminal

[zealous lintel]

to get your char running

[surreal gyro]

like right now 80% of the population is sitting AFK fishing

[zealous lintel]

you are isloated from the rest

[surreal gyro]

and make millions every day

[zealous lintel]

play your character on a seperate server

[swift tree]

Better than getting lucky on Ice and getting instead death with floor 20

[zealous lintel]

learn the basic ropes

transfer over if you want to

we good

LOA?

[queen grail]

Getting floor 20 Is already way above average tho.

[zealous lintel]

take this pp

[slow saddle]

BDO does it well but theres massive risks to that

They spent 3-4 focused on solely new players and acquisition, they lose all their endgame players, there was a lack of endgame content, nothing to do, no reason to keep player

Finally in the last year, they dished out actual top end content and now people are complaining about how they are 'far behind' when its not even dedicated to those subset of players

[zealous lintel]

we dump 2731612893617931 rewards on you

go play solo or group

want a new class?

[surreal gyro]

yes but LoA cant do that , BDO is a solo game and it has the foundation to be fun as a solo game lost ark can't do that

[zealous lintel]

here

thats it

[slow saddle]

You give out too much stuff, people chew it up like its the norm and want more free handouts

[zealous lintel]

yeah thats why there must be 50/50 splits

[slow saddle]

like i said, even with my friends that returned, their mentality is so stupid, they want to be at the peak in a short amount of time, and clearly it doesnt work that way

[zealous lintel]

but most companies dont give a dam

[swift tree]

Powerpass now tries to give a class tutorial at least

[slow saddle]

at some point, you devalue an entire veteran playerbase and slap them in a face

[surreal gyro]

its the same for my friends as well, they are both 1705 within 3 weeks and they yap cause they have to do AH30 now

[zealous lintel]

you can do that

[midnight drift]

Need to be redesign to have a proper solo mode tbh, it is too inconvenient to play in group at that moment for Lost Ark

[zealous lintel]

we have had ignite ervers

even with infested vets

it was kinda a good experience

[surreal gyro]

ignite servers need groups and players to play with each other

in BDO u just log in on the season server, farm mobs forever solo and u play and have fun

[swift tree]

This is back to the issue of LoL players being thrown into a Korean RPG

[zealous lintel]

now imagine an actual good ingite server events where the devs lay out the rules and game directional threats

[queen grail]

@swift tree Got 2 hell key's.
Both 20.
Zero books.
But I got 150 Quality tap for a Lopang

[zealous lintel]

ignite servers were half baked

destined to fail

[surreal gyro]

Ignite servers will just not work anymore, we dont have the population for that

[slow saddle]

LA could release a 1750 raid tomorrow and a bunch of a returning rewards/new player boosts/ease up some systems and people would STILL complain "WAHHH HOW ARE WE GOING TO REACH THAT iLVL?!"

[zealous lintel]

yeah

this is done

[slow saddle]

this is legitimately the only game that reeks of FOMO

[zealous lintel]

"too little too late"

[surreal gyro]

if they did ignite servers with SOLO MODE only

maybe that would work

[zealous lintel]

the game wont recover anymore

[surreal gyro]

actually thats a good idea

[slow saddle]

on BDO and RS for example, you're thrown into your own level of pacing and you work with that

[swift tree]

Actual community events that get players organised to form groups / rewards for attending certain raids would also be nice.

[zealous lintel]

yeah

exactly

not some vet turbo bussing you for some tokens

[midnight drift]

Yup, or a mode that can be easily to match made. Most new players are just casual

[swift tree]

They’re trying to do that with Tier 3 but everyone wants to skip straight to 1700

[slow saddle]

honestly, even without solo mode, ignite in general was a great concept

[zealous lintel]

cause thats where the fun is

[surreal gyro]

yes, it was a good concept

[zealous lintel]

who wants to play an outdated build

[slow saddle]

thats how bdo does it, they have season servers

[surreal gyro]

but our lovely community fucked it up

[zealous lintel]

when you can have ark grid

its just design philosophy is backwards

[slow saddle]

ofc but then you have the issue of

I just joined the game, i see fancy things, why cant i have it now?

[swift tree]

“Who wants to do Dragon Slayer? When While Guthix Sleeps Exists?!?”

[slow saddle]

its that mentality that needs to break

[surreal gyro]

they keep adding stuff and removing stuff they have to spend 10x amount of dev time to rebalance progression every 6 months its just too much

[zealous lintel]

you dont give the top end people all the new toys to play with when you as a new player need to force yourself through 6 months of obsolete content

[slow saddle]

yes and no though

[swift tree]

If I dont have God Armour Right Now Im Going to Lose My Shit!!

[slow saddle]

you need to incentivise aiming for endgame, you cant make it moot or pointless to progress

[swift tree]

This doesn’t help tbh

[zealous lintel]

there arethings like esthers

[slow saddle]

does it suck for the style of LA? Sure

[zealous lintel]

things for vets to play with

[midnight drift]

Even the moko bootcamp has serious flaw, if a new players only there to get free carry and don't actually play the game it is overall a not fun experience

[zealous lintel]

but you dont lock people out of baseline gameplay styles

NEVER

[slow saddle]

that i agree with

[surreal gyro]

the problem is not just the mokoko bootcamp its also the new players

they dont wanna prog with each other

[burnt tree]

Where's Argussy on Platformussy

[slow saddle]

but thinking more broadly, thats just 1 aspect of progression

[zealous lintel]

give vets some points to enhance said gameplaystyle change

[slow saddle]

theres many more systems that people want handed to them

[swift tree]

The problem isn’t that, it’s
a) the artificial time-gating for older content and progress feels like shit
b) their solution to easing up time-locked progression is just deleting it rather than curbing it

[queen grail]

[burnt tree]

Raid gets eassier, requirements go up

[zealous lintel]

[slow saddle]

aint that crazy

[burnt tree]

And people expect new players to stay

[surreal gyro]

There are a lot of problems and they all stem from the core design of the game, everytime they try to fix something, another problem comes up. The game doesnt have a solid base its very fragile

[slow saddle]

people get shocked when things get easier and handed to them

Then pikachushocked face when the gatekeeping goes up since a new minimum standard is set

[burnt tree]

You can duo a raid at this point and people will ask you to bring 2.500 CP for Mordum

[zealous lintel]

i feel attacked on my 2k cp zerker

[midnight drift]

2 things, if there is less new players they are not forming party together.

2nd is a more structured design, most new players are just casual, they don't like very hard raid at all. Can not expect them to spend 4-5 hrs to prog tbh.

[swift tree]

Tier 3 wouldn’t still be shit if the time gating on materials/drops to hone to 1620 wasn’t artificially locked

[surreal gyro]

yes basically this

[burnt tree]

My WS at 1800 CS doesn't get Gatekept from HMordum but that's probably because of my Kaz title

[surreal gyro]

Also @burnt tree try doing mordum with more casual players, i have tried multiple times and its alawys a 2hour jail

[swift tree]

I mean even just being able to do islands more than once would be a fucking godsend

[surreal gyro]

thats why people gatekeep mordum

[burnt tree]

Yeah but like

[slow saddle]

i mean ironically, thats the entire reason gatekeeping exists

[zealous lintel]

they have so much in the game and reusing 0

[surreal gyro]

i did 45% damage last week

on an average lobby

AVERAGE

200 roster ppl

[queen grail]

I mean, some grps will always be more gatekeep than other's but I've legit gone Act4 with like 1700-1800 Combat Score There's a lot of way's to mitigate your gatekeep experience too, even as a newer player

[swift tree]

back to the issue of players seeing ratting into raids as their only way upwards

[burnt tree]

You don't need to bring half new players in it, bring 2 newbies or 1 xD worse case scenario tell em to stay dead. We did that in Act 4 xD

[zealous lintel]

problem is, thats the main demographic which is left in the game

[surreal gyro]

idk how they can fix the game honestly so many things they ened to address

[slow saddle]

idc what people say,

They complain about gatekeeping, but think its fine that others are more vested in time/experience/braincells to want to learn and finish a raid and carry others through or waste time

Idk where people get the time to say, its fine to sit in ONE raid for multiple hours

If this game was like 1 char and you only had to do 4-5 raids a week, maybe a diff story

[zealous lintel]

the reason i quit as well

i am at the middle

cant be arsed anymore

[slow saddle]

idk, do what BDO did

[queen grail]

As I said I get into Act4 on my Rats weekly, ye, I do have title, but these alts are also giga rat's.

[surreal gyro]

its fomo and people comparing themselves with each other. Having super time gated content leaves a bad taste on a new player because for example, my friends who took up the game, they play 1 charcter only and they finish everything within 30 minutes, they get bored and just lose interest, they want to gear up and progress but the game has nothing to offer them to help them past the time gate stuff

[slow saddle]

give your vets/endgame players a massive upper limit of content and let it be, stop caring about others who complain about it

Then reallocate all your efforts to better new player/retention experience

this way, you can focus on 2 different audiences

[surreal gyro]

i still think that BDO is too casual

[slow saddle]

always has been

[surreal gyro]

it has a better new player experience

but once u get to the wall

[slow saddle]

when it was competitive, the playerbase was massive

[surreal gyro]

its 10x worse than LoA

[zealous lintel]

you just take the good parts of the game

[surreal gyro]

u need to pay for a tent, for pets, u need to learn a TON of systems all at once

[zealous lintel]

[slow saddle]

when things became casual, the game took a massive dive, which is why im always gonna say

[zealous lintel]

a flex mode would have been the number 1 prio

[slow saddle]

many times, the people who yap the loudest, are a minority you shouldnt listen to

[surreal gyro]

we need flex mode 100%

[zealous lintel]

too bad

[surreal gyro]

just remove the entry/player limit on older raids

how hard is that

[zealous lintel]

instead they went with solo

cause they knew

[queen grail]

Two ok and rest trash, not the worst.

[swift tree]

You're getting engraving chests?

im getting bound gold

[queen grail]

Now and then, I did 2 other key's as I said earlier and got 150 Quality tap on a Rat Lopang

Need 1 more Awak book now to be done.

[surreal gyro]

if Smilegate gets to self publish in the west it will be a good opportunity to invest in some marketing and bring some players back, this is the only new opening i can see for the game in the new future

[slow saddle]

what if we could designate a character to be able to run all raids

Then introduce some scaling + proper reward system for older raids where you can both help other players out, get good rewards, and so can they as a more casual/newer player (without just 1 shotting a raid from being overgeared)

[surreal gyro]

nothing else

[dull obsidian]

designate a character to run 18 raids?

[zealous lintel]

i think they wont do jack shit

[dull obsidian]

who woudl run alts

[swift tree]

That's just awkwardly patching the issue

[queen grail]

That reminded me Time to clickity clackity quality tapity.

[swift tree]

Having them make it so Run the character -> upgrade that character makes more sense

[slow saddle]

no, im saying not 18 raids

1 of each raid type

[zealous lintel]

they didnt before

[queen grail]

SHORELY @swift tree

[zealous lintel]

why should they care now

[slow saddle]

so you have reasons to go back to older content on just 1 char

[swift tree]

Godspeed

[dull obsidian]

eh

so just 18 gold earning raids a week but you can run X (instead of 3) on a character

[queen grail]

Motherfucker missed but hits this in 5 hits

[swift tree]

its ALWAYS the gloves istfg

[slow saddle]

that 1 char would be uncapped

[queen grail]

[dull obsidian]

I mean..

why would I want to send my main to aegir

[queen grail]

This stinky alt has 2x 100 Armor now

[dull obsidian]

we all look at him and he falls over

[slow saddle]

did you read what i wrote?

[surreal gyro]

i think it will just make gatekeeping worse overall

[dull obsidian]

oh

scaling

[surreal gyro]

it will completely ruin the market

[slow saddle]

Then introduce some scaling + proper reward system for older raids where you can both help other players out, get good rewards, and so can they as a more casual/newer player (without just 1 shotting a raid from being overgeared)

[dull obsidian]

...

[queen grail]

Nice, so now we have 1 ULTRA JUICED Main from Vet's that run all their raids, and who do you think they want to run it with?

[dull obsidian]

"help other players out"

how does that work

[surreal gyro]

yes its a good idea in theory but its gonna create so many issues

[dull obsidian]

if I am 5600 combat

and I want to "help" people who are lower

[slow saddle]

you start to equalize the cap of the raids

for damage

BDO has brackets for that concept

I dont see why LA couldnt

[zealous lintel]

yeah this. you would need to cap progress so to speak.

[slow saddle]

you can set damage values tied to a bracket for a raid

[zealous lintel]

which is a thing in all MMOs except LOA

[slow saddle]

so you cant overgear it but you can have benefits for being more geared

you basically tighten the spread for overgearing

[zealous lintel]

cause your main currency and progression is gold

[slow saddle]

and bring up the lower end

[zealous lintel]

which can be rmted or bought in shop

go figure

[surreal gyro]

LoA group raids are just too hard for this u guys

[slow saddle]

well yeah that i know

their systems are already designed as trash to begin with

[surreal gyro]

like i do Kaz Hm and im so happy i skip 80% of the fight

i would never want to sit there and suffer through it

[slow saddle]

any new 'idea' is too much code for them to implement

[cinder mango]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-uma-musume-cinderella-gray-eat-eating-gif-6770234904401320070

[surreal gyro]

like even if u go back to Akkan

and do this in a more balanced way

u will sufffer

[slow saddle]

meanwhile KR doesnt have frontier iirc yet we complain raids are too hard

[surreal gyro]

yeahhh xd

[dull obsidian]

disbelief

[slow saddle]

no wonder they arent as alt heavy as we are

[dull obsidian]

14 taps from todays login

[surreal gyro]

the game works well in KR because they have a playerbase to support all brackets

this is why this will not change

[queen grail]

Holy shit.

[zealous lintel]

☝️

[midnight drift]

Yeah they need to be an easy group mode with less reward or progress mat but still have decent rewards. They sort of did that mode back then but with no reward so no one played it

[surreal gyro]

we are trying to fix a population issue by trying to bring the upper players down to the lower end

[swift tree]

Just make it every run after X gives character bound, running older content outside of the 1st run per week gives bound/un-fuseable (cannot be converted upwards) materials to be used specifically on upgrading that 1 character.

Remove lock on doing a raid more than once a week, but remove rewards- complaining about bussing is moot because it fucking happens anyways and more players able to assist others cuts into their customer base.

Change the Islands they've added since Tier 3 to give weekly rewards that can be done instead of the 1-time "spit and fuckoff" - would make over a dozen minigames actually stay relevant for more than 5 minutes.

Balance new content and honing costs with these sources in mind- not that difficult.

[slow saddle]

meanwhile when we have a playerbase for diff brackets, theres an issue of why certain brackets cant raid together

[dull obsidian]

challenge raids were not it lmao

[slow saddle]

[zealous lintel]

game has run its course in the west

you would need to change perception as well

before everything else

[swift tree]

relaunch with new publisher might do that

[surreal gyro]

oh for sure

thats my only hope

if SG pulls a miracle

[zealous lintel]

anybody i talk to regarding LOA say its p2w alt infested doodoo

[surreal gyro]

but

[swift tree]

Worked for ESO tbh

[swift magnet]

💀

[surreal gyro]

IK that's the biggset problem the game has a super negative reputation

and IMHO i dont think its as p2w as people say it is

[slow saddle]

remove p2p trading, mailing, and set limits to items on the market, and you can kill off that bussing part easily, while allow that raid lock to be removed

including limiting bids

[midnight drift]

can't help, unless SG change a big portion of the business model to be sub base

[zealous lintel]

things like not banning hardcore rmt people also made their rounds

[dull obsidian]

Would have to be a western change ye

SG allows p2p trading

[surreal gyro]

they need to add the BDO way

strict marketplace

no p2p trading

[swift tree]

this tbh, the flagrant RMT made Amazon's reputation tank- Whole game looked like they were asleep at the wheel

[dull obsidian]

oh wtf I didn't do guardians yesterday

its cooked

[slow saddle]

The west: take a day off for RMTing millions, its fine, we'll keep giving chances

so stupid

[zealous lintel]

pm

[swift tree]

Whole guild was laughing at how they could automate a bot to collect RMT gem farmers listing level 1-3 gems for cheap every reset

[zealous lintel]

they even unbanned some people

despite them being banned 3+ times

[dull obsidian]

literally never happens p2p trading is almost "untrackable" unless its really that obvious

[swift tree]

Asuun and Saturn

[dull obsidian]

you only get banned for buying bot gold which is easier to track

[slow saddle]

which is why it should be removed in the end imo

BDO has a perfect model that stops all that

we dont have anything that people need for it to exist

[surreal gyro]

yes this is something LoA can take from BDO

and it will kill RMT completely

[slow saddle]

you're still gonna have that 1 person thatll say "BUT WHAT IF I WANT TO HELP A FRIEND"

[zealous lintel]

not a fan of "bdos endgame" but i always admired their ingame model

[swift tree]

I mean BDO's moderation/publisher mentality is something Lost Ark good desperately benefit from

[surreal gyro]

its funny because so many "top" players were RMT rats that when AGS banned them we just lost a big portion of the more "commited" community

[swift tree]

Biggest issue was that AGS did zero game moderation

[surreal gyro]

they should have acted way beforeeee

[swift tree]

their primary job tbh

[slow saddle]

the 'committed' part always gets me

[surreal gyro]

thats why i use the " " XD

[swift tree]

ironic since most of the money those RMT players would spend is outside any income stream for AGS

[slow saddle]

because being vested into RMTing rather than the actual devs, somehow meant committed to some players in the community that defend their ability to stay on the game

[swift tree]

Fuck Baker

[surreal gyro]

No, but they played like this for so long

[slow saddle]

purge all those losers, things will re-adjust on its own over time

[dull obsidian]

what even happened to that guy

lol

[swift tree]

[surreal gyro]

if these people were purged from day 1 we wouldnt have been having so many issues

[zealous lintel]

i think if you purge all rmt, this would be another chunk of players

[slow saddle]

yeah

it would

let it happen

[zealous lintel]

like the same happened before the tfm race with the policy they added

[surreal gyro]

yes thats what im saying, it came too late

and a big portion of the end-game players were banned

[slow saddle]

then fix the game after and design content that is more suited for the actual playerbase

[swift tree]

the purging should have happened back during Legion Brel, before gates 5-6 became a nesting ground for RMT and Busses

[zealous lintel]

we lost like 1,5-2k CCU

[surreal gyro]

yup

[zealous lintel]

even before that

at argos

they should have acted

[surreal gyro]

^

[zealous lintel]

straight from the beginning

[swift tree]

100%, I'm saying their final opportunity

[surreal gyro]

half of my guild had lvl10 T3 gems by Vykas

all RMT rats

[swift tree]

before it got too entrenched

[midnight drift]

The issue has been long around Kayangel

[surreal gyro]

they were all banned during brel

[dull obsidian]

I think at clown I was full 8s

[swift tree]

bunch of players quit during Brel because it became a Bussing shitshow

[surreal gyro]

yes also that

[dull obsidian]

then akkan I was full 10s

[swift tree]

people buying busses to get mass transited from 1490 -> 1500 -> 1520 and the gear entry for HM

[surreal gyro]

i was full 10s right after Thaemine when they were cheap xs

the end of T3 was the best era progression wise

[dull obsidian]

200k for a 10 was really cheap

[surreal gyro]

everything was super cheap

[slow saddle]

200-250k is when i bought all of mine

[surreal gyro]

yeah

[dull obsidian]

crazy to think that its now 410k for a t3 10

[slow saddle]

whaled hard and had that JUICY 100 roster level at 1600-1620

[dull obsidian]

lol

[slow saddle]

[swift tree]

I stopped playing then because my guild became a caste system and was burnt tf out by the game

[surreal gyro]

yeah T4 fucked up everything

they rushed with it

they didnt think it out properly

[slow saddle]

they prob wanted to get ark passive out the door

[swift tree]

wasn't just rushing it, they paced it out too fast.

[surreal gyro]

ark passive was good

[slow saddle]

but at the same time

[surreal gyro]

but T4 gems, books

oh boy

[zealous lintel]

and got people out the door

[slow saddle]

idk if they rushed it or........

it was a ton of players complaining WHY DONT WE HAVE THIS NOW WAHHHHHH

[swift tree]

They could have paced out the 5/10/15/20 for relic books

[surreal gyro]

yes 100%

[slow saddle]

they did in fact try to shorten the gap between us and KR

[surreal gyro]

because when T4 came out all the whales instantly got lvl10 gems / books and it was a shit show

[zealous lintel]

ark passice was too much of a barrier

should have been baseline

[surreal gyro]

it was only time gated

[zealous lintel]

again

[midnight drift]

Lol many people glazed Director Bozo when T4 first announced

[zealous lintel]

eh you had to do hm

[swift tree]

A lot of Ark Passive was some very needed QoL for just building characters in general.
Other issue was missing enlightenment potion that required Rimeria

[zealous lintel]

for many

not worth the stress/hussle

[slow saddle]

people cant stomach this idea that new content comes out, it creates a whole new ceiling

get bothered by the existance of a new ceiling because 'people are overwhelmed and dont know how theyll get full relics and new gems right away'

[surreal gyro]

i understand them though

[slow saddle]

the biggest complaints were things like relic books

[surreal gyro]

we had just finished books/gems at end of T3

and then suddenly they add a new cieling

like i had just finished my books and gems when T3 ended

[swift tree]

"they're not supposed to"

meanwhile RMT/Whales: I WANT IT NOW ARGHHH I MUST HAVE POWER CAP OR MY BALLS WILL WITHER INTO DUST

[slow saddle]

that i personally agree with but not so much from the books/gems angle, but the soft reset angle

[dull obsidian]

they will never hard reset again

[slow saddle]

like i had just finished hitting 1650 in t3

[dull obsidian]

hard reset kills the game in all regions

[slow saddle]

and was like

wait

soft reset?

like i just finished

[surreal gyro]

yeah exactly

[swift tree]

soft reset, but shards changed

[slow saddle]

and that was with whaling

even the vets werent at that level

they were mostly 1620-1630

[surreal gyro]

imo they shouldnt have added the new gems/books

[dull obsidian]

I was like 1640 or something

They would've added some new cancer system anyway

if not for gem/book

[slow saddle]

a few, and that was 'after' behemoth was announced

[swift tree]

they had gear quality planned

[dull obsidian]

oh yeh the 120 quality

yeh that shit was funny

[swift tree]

basically what turned into Karma

[slow saddle]

i personally just dont like the concept of soft resets, but thats me being biased

Im fine with them adding new ceilings to things outside of setting you back

[gritty kite]

whole t4 was just t3 with 1.2x multiplier, prove me wrong

[slow saddle]

people just need to set expectations about ceilings

just because it exists, doesnt mean its something you gotta complain about not having right away

You leave those for people who enjoy the thrill of rushing to peak

[swift tree]

Serca being a semi-soft reset (low-key just a reintroduction to Season 1 honing) whilst being slightly less cancerous and them adding content that doesn't require you to Fomo new gear day 1

[surreal gyro]

The problem is that RMT ruined this Mirra

[surreal gyro]

chasing cieling is fine if u have 100 whales at the top

[slow saddle]

yup

[surreal gyro]

when everyone is RMTing the base goes up

[slow saddle]

yup

[surreal gyro]

and an average end game player is like a rat

[gritty kite]

Im fine with peaks but if the dude does 2-3x your dmg it becomes kinda pointless to even bother

[swift tree]

People will still do so because they're stupid- but its nice that the next dungeon immediately after Serca wasn't level 1750 minimum. That's the shit they pulled with Akkan

[slow saddle]

people wondered why everything was so expensive

and im sitting here like

thats not your legit whales driving up the price

thats the RMTers, the bussers, the alt rosters

[dull obsidian]

eh

[surreal gyro]

and its not only the whales and the RMT

its also the alt rosters the bussers

these people fuck up the economy

[slow saddle]

yes supply was an issue, but with pacing, and changes as time moved along, it gets naturally shifted

[dull obsidian]

my pretty much maxed soft-capped character only does like 2.5x my 2600 combat char at most

[slow saddle]

but in the end, no matter how its looked as, things were super expensive and out of reach for a regular playerbase because of the bad bunch of players

[swift tree]

yes but bigger number in lobby sim

[gritty kite]

economy was fucked by design, they wanna have their faucets and drains balanced, central planned economy if you will kinda

[swift tree]

No joke China brought Socialism to Lost Ark by adding Paradise

Everyone got a fucked up lootbox version of a basic universal income, but a universal income all the same

[dull obsidian]

the economy feels fine if you aren't pushing lvl 9/10 gems and full relic books fast

[gritty kite]

i dunno, looks to me more like when they pay up a bonus and tell the people to take as much as they can, some get lucky some get fucked

[dull obsidian]

its really the only expensive thing

[slow saddle]

wym

lvl 10s exist, i need them now and ill get gatekept if i dont have lvl 10s

[swift tree]

Well, thats the problem when the game is meant to be a casino for a country that bans gambling

[dull obsidian]

like everything is pretty cheap other than top end books and gems atm

if only gems went back to t3 price where 8s = 250k

[gritty kite]

to me personally the biggest issue atm is lack of short-mid term goals. I can either hone to HM and spend way too much to gear the char properly, buy books or gems. all of these are millions and multi week projects

[dull obsidian]

wouldn't feel as suffocating for the other players

[gritty kite]

and once you get there you are still just a poor rat

[surreal gyro]

i hope the soft reset helps with that

[slow saddle]

people cant stomach multi-week projects wym

[gritty kite]

It will but for how long

[surreal gyro]

With Secra you will have to hone up again and finish your ark grid

at least until August in the west

we wont have smething else

[gritty kite]

in my exp most don't enjoy that. they wanna see progress now or this week, at least I do

[dull obsidian]

I feel like books should be capped at 200/250k
real world boss should've come sooner aswell

[surreal gyro]

we will see with the new loaon in summer

[pulsar owl]

Crimson dessert today 😎

[dull obsidian]

korea gets their weekly world boss in Sacria right?

[slow saddle]

i agree but idk whats setting that apart in terms of standards

[surreal gyro]

it will be something like a world boss

[dull obsidian]

I heard it generates infinite gold

[surreal gyro]

a new type of activity i think

they dont have it yet

[dull obsidian]

ye

[slow saddle]

like i have a few f2p friends that are fine with knowing they can buy 3-4 relic books a week

Then i have others that are dooming over never being able to finish things before the 'next raid'

[surreal gyro]

the usual haha

[gritty kite]

well both groups are right tbf

[dull obsidian]

I only just finished books last week

[slow saddle]

then another set yapping about nightmare when they're built like a hard mode character

[gritty kite]

it takes 10 weeks to just finish grudge

[dull obsidian]

when I say "finished" I mean I still have 5 books to finish

I need to buy MI RC HM Awa Expert

[surreal gyro]

ill stick with Secra HM for now

im not gonna bother with nightmare fomo and gatekeeping

rewards are ireelevant between these 2

we will finish our cores with the new abyssal dungeon anyway

[swift tree]

I laughed when they said they removed the icon from the title

[surreal gyro]

Dolores

xd

[slow saddle]

thats wild

meanwhile literally yesterday, after seeing the new titles coming out, im like

[dull obsidian]

I mean those are hell titles tho

[gritty kite]

well that is imho the problem, friend got engaged and had a child before most of us finished the current progression system

[slow saddle]

why cant they add a symbol + title selection so you can mix-n-match

[dull obsidian]

ooh

yeh that would be nice

[slow saddle]

i know but the idea of letting people pick n choose is all it is

can be anything, not just hell

[cinder mango]

hello mirra

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-goma-peach-goma-gif-1174838705394808298

[slow saddle]

im a huge fan of accolades in any game

[dull obsidian]

I still remember the 5 single father of X Children working tons of hours a week posts

being unable to clear HM raid day 1

?

[dull obsidian]

Those posts are pretty funny to me idk

SG/AGS too inconsiderate of them by making the raid too hard?

[gritty kite]

I think one fix would be to release their new progresssion systems slower, it would make it more attainable and you wouldn't have such a massive gap between players.
make everyone go through purple, lego, relic, ancient core and spreadi it across a year or 2

[slow saddle]

it makes me laugh every time

[surreal gyro]

i know people who quit the gamecause they didnt clear within week 1

[gritty kite]

instead of opening the gates all at once

[surreal gyro]

people take this too seriously for some reason

[gritty kite]

i mena the whole title fomo is also terrible

[slow saddle]

that'd be fine

[surreal gyro]

i think the 2 weeks frame is okey

for kaz i killed him week 3 but i didnt have any issues with lobbies

[gritty kite]

coz they know htey will get gatekept in fuckin mordum without the latest raid title or will only get 3rd rate lobbies

[slow saddle]

but you'd still have to factor in how to incentivise whaling

If this game didnt allow us to buy any system to begin with, that would've been fine if it was solely cosmetics

[dull obsidian]

ok but

Mordum is unironically harder than kaz hm

[surreal gyro]

on release in KR it was

in the west ehh not really

[dull obsidian]

no even now it is

Mordum is a hellhole I gatekeep hard on

[surreal gyro]

because peopel are playing like monkeys there

[dull obsidian]

I take just about any 4k+ person I see in kazeros and if they're below that I look title

[surreal gyro]

they dont care they sit in the front and DPS

[slow saddle]

i dont even do mordums each week because of that reason, nor do I want to waste time carrying

[dull obsidian]

armoche is free for all

yeh

Mordum is a fucking nightmare to run

[surreal gyro]

people just dont respect patterns

[dull obsidian]

"respect pattersn"

[surreal gyro]

even on higher ilvl lobbies

[dull obsidian]

Every other mordum

I get a fucking exploding rat

chasing the party

[slow saddle]

if i have time, ill solo but still cheeks to begin with to be forced into that situation

[surreal gyro]

yes every time xd

[dull obsidian]

donte ven have the decency to hug a corner

[gritty kite]

you could still whale but instead of goign 0- to ancient, you would only be done with purples while the rest would be workin on it and when most would have them they'd release lego, so whales could still feel premium without completely breaking the game

[surreal gyro]

they throw puddles everywhere

forget to do hammer just guard

like its insane

[dull obsidian]

yeh

mordum is not a fun raid

[surreal gyro]

just keyboard smashing

[dull obsidian]

you need to gatekeep it

or bus it

or else you're gonna lose your mind in there

[slow saddle]

that'd be fine with enough of a time gap

If not, there would be no point

[surreal gyro]

Mordum was my favorite gate for a while

[dull obsidian]

yeh it was a fun trix dummy to hit

[surreal gyro]

but after the dip in quality of parties i changed my mind

[dull obsidian]

until it wasn't

[slow saddle]

i only enjoy g3, the rest is meh

[dull obsidian]

g3 is starting to wear me down not because of the boss

but because of the other players

lmao

[gritty kite]

ye, you'd have to space it out liek a season

[surreal gyro]

yeh haha

[dull obsidian]

I chug 7 pots everytime I play blade

because I'm forced to stick back

and some fucker is sitting on me with a puddle

[surreal gyro]

yes they have meter

[dull obsidian]

why that shit hitting me 100k every second

[surreal gyro]

they change color mid fight

and still sit in the middle

DPSing

[gritty kite]

in my exp those are not hte rats though, rasts are happy to be in the lobby. those are the goblinos

[dull obsidian]

thats every lobby regardless of combat/title

higher combat gets you out of the fight faster

which is better for mordum

[slow saddle]

yeah its definitely not just the goblinos

just tired of seeing laziness and incompetence in raids

not say dps monkeys arent an issue, they still are when the world revolves around them

[surreal gyro]

its the same in every raid sadly

as they make raids "easier" people just get more lazy

[slow saddle]

naw shut up, lets hand out more free stuff

[gritty kite]

tbf I like that as long as I can carry them

[slow saddle]

i need rats that dont want to learn the game and be carried into endgame raids

[gritty kite]

adds a random challenge multiplier

[dull obsidian]

a

[slow saddle]

i agree when its something where the carry can happen

its terrible when its griefing

[dull obsidian]

oh great

[slow saddle]

and theres enough of that in every raid/gate by some capacity

[dull obsidian]

my internet died for 20s

and i lose my kurzan run

..

[surreal gyro]

sad

[gritty kite]

I think that is why the earlier raids where so much more popular with less gatekeep. you could 1-3 man it

[dull obsidian]

which led in the uptick of infinite busses

[dull obsidian]

because valtan - clown really was just that easy

same with brel akkan and some of kayangel

people wanted something more

[slow saddle]

its fine if they bring back that concept then find ways to curb bussing entirely

[dull obsidian]

we're only getting that now with catastrophe

[slow saddle]

or rather, ways to pay for bussing

you cant really remove carrying anyone

that concept has to still exist

[dull obsidian]

you already know people gonna pay irl for busses

[slow saddle]

its one or the other

[dull obsidian]

I see it happen all the time

lmao

[slow saddle]

gonna happen regardless

[dull obsidian]

when they could just spend that in f4 or in.. RMT

and get 10000x more

[slow saddle]

naw let them lose out irl

[lime stirrup]

But the PLAYERDRIVEN ECONOMY

[gritty kite]

kakul was a big jump in difficulty for many

[dull obsidian]

damn I still dont understand why KF/CD dont have paused timer for dcs

[slow saddle]

i learned clown as my first raid....and first class.......and first time understanding the combat system

[dull obsidian]

Kakul was cleared within hours for my party still

[slow saddle]

was a fun 10 hours for me

[dull obsidian]

saws was not fun on ping

I had a bug where if I moved before the curtain dropped

[slow saddle]

3 newbies and 1 vet (they were on pally/support)

[gritty kite]

I suspect in KR u can just start game again in the time and reconnect so it's not an issue over there

[dull obsidian]

the saws on my screen and server side were fucked

[slow saddle]

we kept dying to saws and stuff

[dull obsidian]

I just died walking into nothing on my side

[slow saddle]

add in the difficulty that i couldnt figure things out as easily on controller

walk into death

[dull obsidian]

but when I eventually learned how saws worked I never had a problem with clown again

[slow saddle]

ya

[dull obsidian]

you just made it to bingo and kill him on first bingo

[gritty kite]

we did it on ivlv and shit was rough

[dull obsidian]

idk on ilvl that guy was easy

the first raid that fucked me was brel nm 6

first time our static made efor the raid boomed really fast

[gritty kite]

different hands prolly, still fact is we lost a massive chunk of ppl with kakul

[burnt tree]

Even more with Brel

[gritty kite]

I always find it funny, game was advertised as hard raids, but hte raids we had were argos, valtan and vykas. all very much puggable

when we got actually more hard raids we saw all the folks dip

[dull obsidian]

ngl imagine if this game just followed a 2 gate raid cycle since early

raiding would be pretty nice..

akkans 3 gate wasn't bad

vykas was annoying

clown was not bad

[slow saddle]

2 gates is what i prefer for sure

or just short 3 gate ones

[dull obsidian]

voldis 4 gates didn't feel like 4 gates

gate 1 was just the normal annoying g1
G2 was fun as fuck
g3 was fun as fuck
g4 was not fun

[burnt tree]

Now we get 3 gates but the third gate is 2 gates in 1

[gritty kite]

for me its more about the length of the gate and the mechs

[dull obsidian]

idm this tbh

[burnt tree]

The problem is starting all over again feels horrible

[dull obsidian]

espescially for final bosses

thae / kazeros

[burnt tree]

Least for me

[dull obsidian]

I do think most bosses should have a 0x on final gate

[slow saddle]

thats fine imo, esp for kaz

[gritty kite]

if gate is short you get back to where you were in case you fuck up quickly. if it's a slog you get 2-1 kaz

[midnight marlin]

start over feel good

[burnt tree]

But we have resses now so it doesn't feel that punishing

Otherwise i absolutely hated it

[slow saddle]

between res, having things die/move on at x0, revival as a checkpoint

all of that def is good

[dull obsidian]

Idk I really like the final stand 0x moments on final gates

[slow saddle]

mitigates a lot of the painpoints

[burnt tree]

Of course i don't mind Kazeros as much as the first God enemy

[dull obsidian]

like the t4 brel one is pretty good

[slow saddle]

i liked it on every raid that has it

never had a complaint tbh

[burnt tree]

I don't like the final stand moments cause if you fail gg

[slow saddle]

they also dont make it insanely hard, they just introduce some new concept and have you focus solely on learning that

[dull obsidian]

but the issue with final stands is that if they introduce new patterns people get really mad

[slow saddle]

so its enjoyable and different

[dull obsidian]

I don't understand that

[gritty kite]

valtan, kakul and arm chair have the best last phases imho

most fun moments and fuck ups and hero saves

[dull obsidian]

yeh

final stands are fun to fight

[burnt tree]

Maybe its because i liked Thordan on FF14, his final stand was basically him being so weak he couldn't even target players

[dull obsidian]

ghost phase valtan
stagger phase vykas
bingo clown doesn't really feel like it

brel hm g6 had a pretty fun one

[slow saddle]

i like bingo, hella cool

[dull obsidian]

it doesn't feel like a "final stand" tho

[gritty kite]

I didn't like the brel one, it was too long and then you wipid coz sb didn't counter

[dull obsidian]

hes just fucking around

lmao

[slow saddle]

for brel the counter/meteor thingy and beam was neat

yeah

[burnt tree]

The final stand Kazeros is cool tho

Everyone gets KOd then Vairgyssu appears

[slow saddle]

ngl tho, it doesnt entirely feel like a 'final stand' but it has some aspect of 'you gotta do something completely different to kill this boss off'

doesnt always need to be a dps or pattern recognition thing

to each their own tho

thaemine g4-3 was neat as well

you still had the regular fight but you got amped up damage

[dull obsidian]

I still remember someone saying the lore was shit and kaz is weak piss because he didn't just erase us in 10s

[slow saddle]

and a set time limit

[dull obsidian]

bro the instant kazeros tried we died

[slow saddle]

nothing like kaz marking people for death

then you double take and let that sink in

WYM MARK FOR DEATH

[burnt tree]

Show them the stats you get when you activate the Ark

And what it takes to fight him narratively

[dull obsidian]

I had 1.7m combat

or something

[burnt tree]

Yeah

[slow saddle]

oh yeah i gotta do that this week

[burnt tree]

And he only died when Armen sacrificed himself the Ark itself

Like how is he weak lmaooo

You get like 1mil power or some sht

[dull obsidian]

bro was also..

testing us for a long time

he was not trying man

[burnt tree]

And Kazeros still won btw

[dull obsidian]

he aurafarmed an entire gate

like wtf

when we got the afterstory

[burnt tree]

He passed onto us his role and said gl bucko ull need it

[dull obsidian]

it was literally everything vs kazeros

[burnt tree]

Yeah

[dull obsidian]

We activated the power of literal God and couldn't 1 v 1 him

[burnt tree]

You had the strongest fighters in Arkesia and an Ark boosted MC

But he was holding his own

And he didn't even have the Ark at that point

It was entirely his own power

[dull obsidian]

same thing with thaemine

that guy was still not full sending by the end of 4-3

really man

[burnt tree]

Thaemine is funny people say we killed the boss but in the cutscene we flee

[swift tree]

Divine Right and Authority wasn’t ceded until his Key turned on him

Basically if the Ring of Power was a person.

[burnt tree]

I wonder when we will activate the Abyssal Flame

[swift tree]

Armen did the equivalent of throwing himself into the fire

[swift tree]

Combine it with all the other god powers, ascend to new godhood

[burnt tree]

Ayo we regulus now and free Arkia

[lilac frigate]

oh, fighting regulus is the act after the next act

[swift tree]

Arkia turns out to be Zosmas wife or some shit

[burnt tree]

Regulus is final act probably

[dull obsidian]

probably?

[swift tree]

Yeah most likely

Building up to us killing god

[dull obsidian]

whatever is after this shadow shit we're doing now

and the church

[burnt tree]

But Arkia and Kazeros confirmed Regulus is the main villain

[swift tree]

Order -> Chaos -> Balance
probably going to be the 3 acts

[dull obsidian]

are we gonna fight zosma balls

[burnt tree]

Probably

[dull obsidian]

noway kharmine is not an enemy after the fusion

[burnt tree]

Thaemine and Kharmine are reunited

[swift tree]

Regulus and Zosma are 2 sides of the same coin

Gotta take them both out

[midnight drift]

I want to be united with Brel

[burnt tree]

Eventually

If the memory loss thing is real she might become an ally

[swift tree]

When we get Ashlands

[dull obsidian]

bro the shadow that overtook echidna is in it for the love of the game or what

Noway bro has to act like echidna that much

[burnt tree]

Kadan will probably be involved as a Haal himself

[burnt tree]

Maybe she likes being hot instead of a freaky shadow

[swift tree]

All of them got memory loss, and since she wasn’t on some magical side immune to Regulus’s fuckery- safe to assume “Father Goose has been playing around in her egg salad”

[burnt tree]

Yeah

Rapport and marry Brel ezpz

[midnight drift]

Need to repopulate the Haal

[swift tree]

“The Ark Inheritor was promised to Brelshaza 1000 years ago”

[burnt tree]

Indeed

[fresh flint]

?

[dull obsidian]

@fresh flint

[burnt tree]

Plus she's tall

We love a tall queen

[fresh flint]

What stupid

[swift tree]

It’s coz of all those secrets

[midnight drift]

Yeah face is right between 2 puddings

[burnt tree]

Also we definitely seeing Armen again in Act 3

[swift tree]

in some form

[midnight drift]

Need also to rapport his mom as well , she is hot

[swift tree]

Inb4 Kharmine resurrects him

[dull obsidian]

Claudia is fucking dead

[burnt tree]

She's dead mf

[safe lark]

https://tenor.com/view/helicopter-cat-helicopter-cat-heliblo-gif-15685012791631344513

[swift tree]

You’ll have to unbury her

[burnt tree]

Also didn't Armens body disintegrate as he was falling down in Petrania

[midnight drift]

Magic

[fresh flint]

https://tenor.com/view/bite-head-off-cockroach-meme-usagi-rabbit-gif-12293320291311752255

[swift tree]

It disintegrated like the way they show all characters deaths

[dull obsidian]

wait

is my goat Thar still alive

[swift tree]

Like a demon dissolving, not an actual person

[burnt tree]

Yes

[dull obsidian]

thats my goat

goat never dies

[swift tree]

Thar literally cannot die

[burnt tree]

But he disintegrated in light

[swift tree]

Well yes, Demons are just dark-attuned divine beings

[dull obsidian]

why is thar still alive?

what is preventing him from dying

[midnight drift]

Yeah Thar can resurrected, Claudia can too

[burnt tree]

Necklace

You learn it from his rapport quest

[swift tree]

He wore a necklace made by the god of knowledge that prevents its wielder from being killed- “To safekeep knowledge”

[midnight drift]

Need to give Armen a real daddy

[dull obsidian]

oh so..

if you take his necklace

he dies

[burnt tree]

He can't die as long as hes in possession of it

Good luck removing it

As armored as he is

[swift tree]

It’s already been attuned to him, we’ve been given it

[burnt tree]

Oh right

[swift tree]

He gives it to us to destroy if he ever starts to turn or go crazy

[burnt tree]

Armoche wishes he was as cool as Thar

[dull obsidian]

we have the abyssal flame in our inventory

oh wtf I just realized

[swift tree]

Armonche is Temu Senadis

[burnt tree]

WHAT

[burnt tree]

Ong

[swift tree]

You didnt notice?

[burnt tree]

Nope

[swift tree]

You also get Traces of Armen if you visit Pleccia Grave

[burnt tree]

I don't ever check that tab

[dull obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-hayase-yuuka-blue-archive-hayase-yuuka-dance-hayase-yuuka-happy-hayase-yuuka-gif-14333431041315471628

[burnt tree]

Oh yeah you also get his new theme

[midnight drift]

Anyone see if the 2 elf in Rowen we rapport also in the ending credit, I dont think o see them

[burnt tree]

So i should go

[swift tree]

Yes

[burnt tree]

They survived

[swift tree]

They’re in the crowd

Gherdia is the one that dies

[midnight drift]

Actually 1 elf - the red one, the blue girl is human i think

[burnt tree]

Yeah the flame guy got dimmed

[midnight drift]

Thats Rohendel

[burnt tree]

The lizard got mad

Yes

Also Sian died too

[swift tree]

blue girl is also sylvain

[burnt tree]

But after the war

[swift tree]

Rohendel npcs are all Sylvain

[burnt tree]

Or w.e his name was

[midnight drift]

Yeah too long, i thought the blue fraction love technology

[dull obsidian]

who actually does this stuff

[swift tree]

Yes, Sien died, considered part of the war because he was exhausted from leading the priests

[dull obsidian]

15% chance to upgrade 3 greens

[burnt tree]

Yup

[swift tree]

wait Rowen blue or other one?

Rowen Blue is Cykin like Arthetine mb

[burnt tree]

He was forcing himself to go all out the whole war

[midnight drift]

Rowen has blue and red, the red elf girl is sort of a maniac , and she really like the main char

[burnt tree]

I Only fuse trash relics ngl

Greens are gg

[swift tree]

Yeah the red chick is a follower of the guy who blew up Xeneela

[burnt tree]

That's why she's insane

[swift tree]

Her entire faction is locked in the Lost Ark equivalent of the Phantom Zone

[slow saddle]

me

[swift tree]

I fuse for silver gems, but only with blues/purps

[midnight drift]

So looks like only Sien , a couple of Luttera knight death and Zinnvevale death right ? I dont recall any other rapport able NPC death

[swift tree]

Gherdia, half the Changun Swords...

[wary timber]

Trick is using a 9/10 blue and getting a silver 8

[midnight drift]

Ah lol, too ugly to remember

[swift tree]

How dare you insult Gumga

[slow saddle]

[dull obsidian]

ew

who cuts 8s

[swift tree]

Look just because Gumga looked like a shitty Akuma cosplay

[wary timber]

I did on alts to get 17p

[slow saddle]

you still need 8s in the end of it all

[midnight drift]

There is a hot fox in the sword of Changhun

[slow saddle]

i fused stuff to give silver ones to alts

now that they're done, and im reversing it to funnel as much gems to main

[swift tree]

We kill her because she's a demon

[midnight drift]

Yeah too bad

[slow saddle]

and since all my lvl 8s werent min-maxed, ive been backtracking astrogem cuts lol

[swift tree]

She was in some weird witches coven with Vykas and the slug Rakiel they used for a cursed Summer event

the demon that looks like if the matchmaker from Mulan was into BDSM

[dull obsidian]

dude

blues are so ass to cut lmao

[midnight drift]

Talk about Vykas, i hope we can see her again , girl lives too short

[dull obsidian]

she died

[swift tree]

She's gone

https://tenor.com/view/shes-gone-steven-universe-change-your-mind-pink-diamond-gif-13509070

[midnight drift]

Thats suck, need to bring her back

[slow saddle]

ya they are, but sometimes you get something reasonable out of it vs trying to fuse for purple

[swift tree]

She literally got absorbed by the primordial ooze of covetous energy that took on the persona of the person she killed out of spite.

[midnight drift]

I got a couple of usable 3/5 blue, not ideal but decent

[slow saddle]

useable is the best thing for 3/5 blues

for min-maxing, thats where it sucks for the side cuts

[dull obsidian]

my friend cut a 20p with a green

can we ban her

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-hayase-yuuka-blue-archive-hayase-yuuka-dance-hayase-yuuka-happy-hayase-yuuka-gif-14333431041315471628

[slow saddle]

really can only do purples for that for actual damage gains

[swift tree]

Echidna is weird, she's like... the body of Vykas with the memories and appearance of Echidna, but housing the Primordial Shadow of Lust

[midnight drift]

Yeah need more turn for these

[slow saddle]

naw, we dont need more turns

we need them to remove negative rolls tbh

[swift tree]

hear me out "No change" shouldnt use a turn

[slow saddle]

that too

[wary timber]

No change and negatives shouldnt exist

[slow saddle]

no change either removed or not using a turn, remove the negative rolls, add an option for a turn increase instead of just reroll options only

[wary timber]

And prob wont in the furure

[midnight drift]

Cant help when there are littlrally 3/4 hight positive effect and somehow the roll landed on the last one

[slow saddle]

its dumb as heck

[dull obsidian]

wtf game eos...

[slow saddle]

its equal chances for landing but feels stupidly weighted

i bet you its fudged code

[midnight drift]

I think it is rigged when near 14 or 17 pt core open

[zealous lintel]

[kind lotus]

good morning

[dull obsidian]

good night

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-hina-sleep-sorasaki-hina-dive-gif-16922317280520873925

[swift tree]

Damn, Ishy going to bed at real hour

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-meme-wiggle-wiggles-gif-12335075100386316901

[sharp rock]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-bed-wake-up-under-sheet-j4FTt7knh8w4YyzbuM

[burnt tree]

finally home ong

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/pixar-disney-hoppers-lizard-wave-gif-15184704642520455338

[cyan fog]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922351008724701205/1465211327868829700/artistgongfast.gif

[swift magnet]

isnt the left one technically betetr? i lose cp though o.O

[wise pasture]

Right offers better attack buff

Left is more defensive

[swift magnet]

[swift magnet]

still weird how cp is calculated. will lose a shitton 😛

if i use that

[fleet plover]

Yeah because all 3 lines from left are considered top picks for supp and all give CP, but in right only first 2 give and first 1 barely give anything

[swift magnet]

no i lose cp with the left one

thats why i think it's weird

[fleet plover]

it's because of earring normal stats

not because of lines

right has more intelligence and vitality

[swift magnet]

oh ya didnt pay attention to that xD

[bright scroll]

Maybe a noob question

But does for example if I choose between 2 braces

And 1 give more cp

It automatically means its the stronger one?

Or nah

[dusty flare]

who reads guardian patch notes anyway

(he insta left)

[swift magnet]

not entirely i would say. i had 1 case with +2% cd and 5% outgoing leggy stat doing less gmd than additional dmg line cuz the cd was too long for my rotation without higher cd gems

[bright scroll]

I see I see, interesting

🤔

[wise pasture]

Also some lines are valued way more than they provide, weapon power specifically

[fleet plover]

[swift magnet]

[zealous lintel]

[kind lotus]

intank looks more skinny on the new mecha skin

[late portal]

Happy Crimson Desert Day

[swift magnet]

[swift magnet]

[late portal]

Whale boater

I want this

[burnt tree]

wheres this from anyway

[burnt tree]

i dont have the boat!

[nova summit]

im home alone with lost ark

yayyyy

got nothing better to do

[swift tree]

New Valtan Hell

Allegedly

There’s ones for Kayangel, Vykas, Valtan and Clown

So Hell Abyss Dungeons in the mix as well

[burnt tree]

[swift tree]

inb4 actual Challenge dungeons with decent rewards

That aren’t equalised

[burnt tree]

well we already know they wont be equalised

but we will see how they do it

[swift tree]

Yeah I added that afterwards

[burnt tree]

hopefully its more on the fun side than sweatlording