#lost-ark-discussions
wintry depot
idk
robust acorn
anyway grab throw
uncut dirge
you know what they need to give the front attack dragon queen?
she stabs her spear into the boss
and now your character is locked to that direction from the boss
uncut dirge
even if the boss rotates, your character rotates with the boss
wintry depot
that shit wont die for years to come in kr lmao
i was roleplaying the doomers
but im still curious
what the next class will be
female ss, male mage or male assassin
slender sky
i was roleplaying the doomers
dont play with my feelings, last few days been too much
wintry depot
xD
slender sky
female ss, male mage or male assassin
i hope male mage, realistically one of the other 2
wintry depot
i think they clearing
slender sky
probably more male assassin
uncut dirge
robust acorn
kinda annoying powpass and express isnt for gk in glb
uncut dirge
who would want male mage
fresh flint
hbe ckleared
robust acorn
guardian knight
wintry depot
easy
fresh flint
a fuckin 1 tap
wintry depot
there will be powerpass and express for it
neon cedar
kinda annoying powpass and express isnt for gk in glb
There is ALWAYS an express and powerpass alongside a class release. Idk what youre so worried about
wintry depot
why you think there wont be ??
robust acorn
ye i meant current one
robust acorn
wait did they delay the dec one
wintry depot
no
slender sky
dawg
wintry depot
WE DONT HAVE NEWS FROM AGS
wintry depot
WE DONT KNOW ANYTHIIINNNGGGGGGGG
neon cedar
NOW he's recleared 4th if Darksma and his group dont get DQd
slender sky
ppl dont find enough stuff to doom now they make shit up
robust acorn
i am dooming
neon cedar
wait did they delay the dec one
The NOVEMBER express was delayed to accomodate the Tier 3 changes coming in December, This express was never going to be intended for gk
robust acorn
The NOVEMBER express was delayed to accomodate the Tier 3 changes coming in Dece...
i see
wintry depot
The NOVEMBER express was delayed to accomodate the Tier 3 changes coming in Dece...
he thinks the express from december will be delayed or something like that...
wintry depot
im dying
slender sky
pls dont
neon cedar
hi dying, im braden
slender sky
slender sky
hi dying, im braden
btw the HH only gave 29cp, that was surprising
slender sky
like from single high to hh
wintry depot
yep
slender sky
fresh flint
<:WICKED:939709471851155528>
60k bar wut
slender sky
yes
wintry depot
im smart
fresh flint
no
wintry depot
yes
fresh flint
wintry depot
ok last chaos
swift tree
ok last chaos
when you get nothing good from an ember in a row and just vibing to the combat sound fx
wintry depot
when you get nothing good from an ember in a row and just vibing to the combat s...
i got 8m silver today in embers
i hate my life
robust acorn
rich
wintry depot
so useless
swift tree
https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-food-bowl-persian-annoyed-cucciolinodipanna-gif-13484529227984596079
uncut dirge
ally damage enhancement bonus: 16.97%
remove ring with 7.5% ally damage enhancement bonus
ally damage enhancement bonus 7.97%
oh, nvm enlightenment
sand marsh
yikes
celest tiger
that moment when artist stop shielding halfway through GR and half the party dies repeatedly 😭
neon cedar
People die in guardians?
stuck vortex
If you name is lich yes yes they do
vagrant cradle
People die in guardians?
stuck vortex
Bad decision and splat no healer out of pot’s death
stuck vortex
If i can get to it and it not right by the guardian I grab it
Or I go try to pop the red bubble and forget to dodge out of the breath
swift tree
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkLucNS5gXU
Sane LOA On take
vagrant cradle
paper scroll
i got 8m silver today in embers
Lots of t3 honing assets
astral ermine
which is more sane, 20 minutes to read a reddit post on a random person's take or a 20 minute YT video
vague stirrup
swift tree
TL;DR a lot of good changes for new players / mid-game QoL but are things that should have happened years ago.
Game nice to be moving in a mixed direction of having similar mix of horizontal and raid content
-> Caveat being the lack of any changes to raid-income model being the reason why game is feeling tired- nerfing Ark Grid wont really fix that but would also be nice
kind lotus
astral ermine
Setting aside 10 other questions, what is the little thing that spawns in the 2 o'clock
tulip charm
learning the small details of the game, if a raid disbands via voting disband
upon exiting everyone is now back in the lobby finder right?
but what if you don't return to the lobby finder, does that mean the host of the party left? or does it mean the player is now blocked, so they don't return to the lobby finder?
ebon snow
It means the game is fucking bugged and sometimes you're booted out
midnight marlin
upon exiting everyone is now back in the lobby finder right?
no, sometimes it boots certain people, but it never fully booms the lobby
neon cedar
If it booms you it means you've been very bad
nova garden
covert remnant
We're getting solo modes upto mordum with next patch or later later?
sand marsh
W
neon cedar
We're getting solo modes upto mordum with next patch or later later?
We have no clue. Literally nothing has been said about it
covert remnant
Even in kr?
uncut dirge
neon cedar
We arnt kr
uncut dirge
grats
bitter inlet
When 4K
tulip charm
why 4k when he can 5k
wintry depot
Lots of t3 honing assets
Useless
formal frost
kind lotus
vagrant cradle
kind lotus
Good night
trail walrus
I want guardian knight tomorrow too
Is guiardian knight tanks?
covert remnant
One of the spec yh
With head attacks
Now imagine if she has no push immune....would be a worse gunlancer
swift tree
idc about guardian knight, i just want my balance patch tmrw
we'd be getting it on the 17th if at all in Dec
tulip charm
we'd be getting it on the 17th if at all in Dec
feels like we won't get it on the 17th, ive never heard of ags implanting a patch that fast
robust birch
tulip charm
neon cedar
feels like we won't get it on the 17th, ive never heard of ags implanting a patc...
You must be deaf then I'm very sorry
trail walrus
Now imagine if she has no push immune....would be a worse gunlancer<:KEKW:834726...
Its a she, so cant be worse
paper scroll
another day another sup shortage in GR, need no sup buff asap
swift tree
huh
tulip charm
his just sitting here chilling at elnead fusion cutter
shorely waiting for the verdict
covert remnant
No lvl 30 evo? Noob
covert remnant
I still wonder if this is even possible to max ilvl/gems/books and all those alt characters on hard ilvls!
Even if you do busses....
Where the fk is the gold coming from
swift tree
Paradise for bound gold atm
Not spending any until update because of the tier 3 honing changes
safe lark
undone summitBOT
swift tree
Shut up Aman
surreal gyro
swift tree
swift tree
Sunbright Hill iirc
swift tree
yup
surreal gyro
I don’t remember tho
yeye ther is thanks
swift tree
Listening to that waiting for gate/fb or trade skilling the bunnies
tulip charm
Listening to that waiting for gate/fb or trade skilling the bunnies
i remb this song when i am doing the story and my mount is zooming across the bridge
while the timestop hourglass mage tells you about the history of the sunknights
swift tree
while the timestop hourglass mage tells you about the history of the sunknights
yup and how about one of them fought a necromancer on an island and never returned.
-> He’s the knight on Death’s Hold
Senadis
tulip charm
holy...
remb camping in this city doing alarek under water dungeon
this sounds abit different than ingame
tulip charm
https://youtu.be/hDAvzWo-GhQ
one of the best themes
swift tree
Criminal that this isn’t a stronghold jukebox
tulip charm
i still remb i had this island on a bifrost for the longest time, on hourly when i still didn't have the island soul and map
swift tree
yup
swift tree
tulip charm
https://youtu.be/AVeQpxCV1bM
the 2nd continent, only been here once
wind dagger
Indeed
tulip charm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPIc_fHb000
i don't know where this is from
surreal gyro
i don't know where this is from
music box of memories
swift tree
Opera murder mystery one
wind dagger
Mmo content is gone. It's only raiding now
tulip charm
music box of memories
ah....
wind dagger
swift tree
Mmo content is gone. It's only raiding now
it’s coming back
tulip charm
i don't know this one, because i only did the first season of music box
surreal gyro
Mmo content is gone. It's only raiding now
we getting new stuff soon
wind dagger
surreal gyro
i don't know this one, because i only did the first season of music box
yeah its on the 2nd collection
west latch
we getting new stuff soon
in a few months
swift tree
2 continents in a single content cycle is crazy for Smilegate
been first time in 4 years
brittle hawk
2 continents in a single content cycle is crazy for Smilegate
Where
swift tree
2 continents + MSQ end for Kazeros + Sea of Aldebaran Islands
swift tree
KR gets Karmadas same time as Serca
zealous lintel
hopefully its not just island hopping with some worthless sailing sprinkeled in...
AND NOT MANDATORY
brittle hawk
hopefully its not just island hopping with some worthless sailing sprinkeled in....
i hope they have a bunch of mats like t1 t2
although mats are all worthless so i guess just shards
zealous lintel
they will but i wont be eager to do them anyway
just global release with a new coat of paint
well, at least behemoth is a step into something new
sharp rock
swift tree
Says KR gets the abyss dungeon and Kadarum Islands in March hmm
charred void
only requires 4 instead of 8 braincells 
zealous lintel
they could be a bit gimicky like amorche as well
swift tree
Sacria will probably be June/July with teaser in Summer LOA On
zealous lintel
something to break the formula
swift tree
based on update information
zealous lintel
loved the dungeon with the tower
swift tree
they could be a bit gimicky like amorche as well
they've changed the way revives, stagger, sidereals and other stuff work so 
zealous lintel
where you climb the tower and the demon interfers
swift tree
yeah that was Luterra's tomb, where you got the first Ark
march in KR
they said this drops at same time
tulip charm
loved the story ones
its something the "new" players will never experience
in their rush to play the newest raid via f4 or clash of clans, they don't remb the history and how the game even got here, with the g spam memes and players actively pushing people away from it, how do you cultivate new players like this lol
zealous lintel
its something the "new" players will never experience
yep, sadly...
charred void
all the islands and such was the best fun in this game ngl
game turned to cancer with the first legion raid
well people also hated argos which is understandable
left sierra
all the islands and such was the best fun in this game ngl
It was fun at the start
zealous lintel
being forced to do islands to get upgrades or even make some speccs "playable"
tulip charm
all the islands and such was the best fun in this game ngl
i remb this, not saying i hate the raiding, but i do remb maxroll had a island guide for maximum amount of materials on entry into the game, and i took my time with that sea route
zealous lintel
stupid ass epic wealth rune for island souls
left sierra
Also it was worthwhile
left sierra
i remb this, not saying i hate the raiding, but i do remb maxroll had a island g...
Ah yes the material sea route that was mandatory
tulip charm
every island was awesome, including that bullshit resident evil first person simulator where i swear to god i didn't get caught, but i lagged and the monster got my char anyways and i had to restart
zealous lintel
i loved the robotic island where you had to farm some scrap robots to get a code or such
and you would get into a "secret lab"
left sierra
Idk why they don't keep those islands that give weekly Mats from solo dungeon currency instead they make 5 roster limit perma
cinder mango
left sierra
and you would get into a "secret lab"
Fak that bro never dropped island token
zealous lintel
noone in their right mind would redo all those islands today added on top of raiding
its one or the other
zealous lintel
yeah
it was good for the release cause there was literally nothing else to do in the game
people have rose tinted glasses
left sierra
I remember when I quit at brel (old brel) and made a new account the horizontal content was crazy annoying to catch up for skill points n shit
surreal gyro
noone in their right mind would redo all those islands today added on top of rai...
u dont do all islands again they have a horizontal express permanent event that auto compeltes a ton of content
swift tree
it was just too much to do and necessary for upgrades
the problem was there was so much to do but when you reached Tier 3 none of it contributed to gold income
zealous lintel
u dont do all islands again they have a horizontal express permanent event that ...
ex
swift tree
only thing that helped was Abyss Dungeons and Raids
zealous lintel
why do you make a strawman
i am talking launch exprience
what is even that argument man
swift tree
i am talking launch exprience
ye
zealous lintel
read at least before jumping to conclusions
surreal gyro
zealous lintel
it was good for the release cause there was literally nothing else to do in the ...
.
even WITH the horizontal pass you are looking at many hours of content to get through
and if you want to digest it the way you should(or at least i think you should since its great from time to time), you wont have time for anything else
surreal gyro
ye but all the impotant horizontals like runes and skill points are given to you for free
its not like it used to be
if u want to collect achievements and titles etc then ye the grind is there
zealous lintel
i am sure they arent all given
zealous lintel
the last pass i did is the first one of its iteration
but i am pretty sure you werent "done"
you still had to do some farming for the bigger runes
and also potions
tulip charm
when i hear that theme, i remb once upon a time this game was 55% berserker players, 30% sorcs, and 15% everything else
zealous lintel
you got like 80%
surreal gyro
after T4 they changed that
zealous lintel
hmmm. well at least something
naive lion
i remb this, not saying i hate the raiding, but i do remb maxroll had a island g...
The bible of lost ark for beginners back then 😭
zealous lintel
wont be a thing with the new map tho if they didnt alter the exprience
but we will see
charred void
the horror of lost ark when you need to login, keep your main 6 relevant, do all the horizontal grind because the game forces you apparently so you can appeal to all the rmt idiots at the top
zealous lintel
naive lion
4 years*
surreal gyro
zealous lintel
eh i checked out with maintaining the game 24/7 3 years ago
playing 3 char roster
swift tree
eh i checked out with maintaining the game 24/7 3 years ago
I got a large roster but there’s no sweating just bopping
wind dagger
Me? Doing nothing at all
zealous lintel
its too big of an headache
wind dagger
Can't play the game at all with one hand and a vinger
zealous lintel
just gatekeeping my lowest alt takes me +/- 3 hours every week to get into raids
surreal gyro
eh not for long
undone summitBOT
@charred void gave @wind dagger +1 reputation.
surreal gyro
solo mordum and brel will help a lot with undergeared alts
charred void
wind dagger
wind dagger
tawny lion
just gatekeeping my lowest alt takes me +/- 3 hours every week to get into raids
Act 4 nm raids lately be 2000+ 1710+ with hm title lately
Every new player will definitely enjoy the exciting group content
zealous lintel
this has always been the case with any raid
mordum requirements going up every week
its the t4 release - behemoth/echidna era all over again
swift tree
Act 4 nm raids lately be 2000+ 1710+ with hm title lately <:deadge:1046748734807...
Frontier titles are a fucking scourge
zealous lintel
☝️
late portal
surreal gyro
i did my Act4 NM this week on my 1500-1700 CP 1700 alts
tawny lion
2000 on ACT 4 NM?
With Hm title to boot
swift tree
2000 on ACT 4 NM?
Books + lvl 8 gems + Karma completed
wide stag
when is frog coming back? 
tawny lion
Nah this community is ridiculous for nm mode ngl
swift tree
gatekeeping based on already acquired ark cores too
surreal gyro
its not as bad
swift tree
giga dented
swift tree
when is frog coming back? <:DESPAIR:979279856024055828>
Just get Nether books /s
tawny lion
when is frog coming back? <:DESPAIR:979279856024055828>
No one cares about the economy
swift tree
If only relic books had a pity system like Ark Cores
wide stag
Just get Nether books /s
i only get fortitude, disrespect and explosive experts from nether
swift tree
i only get fortitude, disrespect and explosive experts from nether
yeah hence the /s (sarcasm)
@wintry depot im cold
charred void
Act 4 nm raids lately be 2000+ 1710+ with hm title lately <:deadge:1046748734807...
this is max books and full 8s gems
wide stag
they should give us 100 relic books selection as loaon gift
tawny lion
they should give us 100 relic books selection as loaon gift
Oh but the whales would cry
swift tree
if I go to sleep now, surely I’ll wake up to either sweet embrace of death or roadmap
wide stag
Oh but the whales would cry
they alrdy got maxed books why would they care
swift tree
this is max books and full 8s gems
And V card still in possession
tawny lion
they alrdy got maxed books why would they care
Cuz they wasted their “investment”
surreal gyro
this is max books and full 8s gems
with Karma done u would be almost at 2k
charred void
this is what you get if you're lucky for nm act 4
brittle hawk
swift tree
this is max books and full 8s gems
Sorry fayten my tired ass didn’t recognise you
brittle hawk
that's fine though
charred void
Sorry fayten my tired ass didn’t recognise you
swift tree
this is max books and full 8s gems
My Paladin is 1962 at 1720 with books except Awakening done, 6 level 8s and only Enlightenment finished
swift tree
https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-52761...
I feel like my legs want to explode off my body and fly away
charred void
people are a bit high if they think average support is at 2k score
brittle hawk
What cores do you have
swift tree
What cores do you have
me?
brittle hawk
Ye
brittle hawk
swift tree
just equip crushing fist relic to boost score <:5Head:852993188671520798>
blursed
tawny lion
All my valk cores are for support
charred void
i kinda want a crushing fist stone
wanton jay
All my valk cores are for support <:deadge:1046748734807093330>
I have the opposite issue on my valk 
all dps cores
swift tree
i kinda want a crushing fist stone <:monkaHmm:852993226285776897>
not with my ping
charred void
not with my ping
i remembering to pre-counter something on naw with like 200 ping holy sword and i still missed
must be fun
charred void
gotta love how getting this core to 14 points giving you 2 stacks on the most meter gen skill which has like infinite value ONLY gives you 8 combat power
brittle hawk
You can mix and match class cores right
zealous lintel
mhmm i think they are some set "sets"
charred void
you can only equip 1 of each category
zealous lintel
cause of the destiny buff
brittle hawk
Yeah sun moon and star
But can you mix and match between them
Like sun core of 1 set, and moon/star of another
surreal gyro
im watching the AIon2 livestream
and they are threatening the players who use macros
that they will take legal action against them
report them to the police
ahahhaha
sand marsh
burnt tree
Wasn't Aion2 supposed to be the next hit?
i mean its not doing bad, but there are problems
sand marsh
If it has no pay to win in global release, yes it would be a bit hit. Similar to WWM
not happening tho
burnt tree
Similar to WWM i doubt
but the western releases are always ok the first few months
then its back to shit
sand marsh
Well many people love MMOs but hate the p2w plague its been hit with.
surreal gyro
i think they completely ruined it now
they just announced they are limiting income
to counter the bots
burnt tree
Well many people love MMOs but hate the p2w plague its been hit with.
we wont see another game like WWM or DNA for a while where the monetization is truly focused on cosmetics
burnt tree
specially on WWMs quality 
sand marsh
specially on WWMs quality <:shruge:1100304847183560726>
Well Aion 2 has pretty solid combat for a third person MMO. Probably the best if you compare it to WoW or FF14. The problem is the monetization though.
burnt tree
yeah but scalp, the main issue with NCs MMOs has always been the monetization, not the gameplay
their games are undeniable good or great
sand marsh
i know, trust me lol
surreal gyro
the problem with NCsoft gamesi s not just monetization
they have a lot of contnet on launch
but then they take ages to develop new contnet
sand marsh
But if they don't remove P2W on launch its a flop. As with any MMO.
burnt tree
yeah like idk, western players dont vibe with so many subs in a single game + expensive cash shop combo'd in
oh yeah and 2 battle passes
wahoo
sand marsh
they 100% dont vibe with that.
sand marsh
They cannot become part of the subscription model like WoW or FF14. Those days are long gone.
burnt tree
yeah no other mmo can sustain that model now
sand marsh
It does.
burnt tree
yeah it does
surreal gyro
KR games will never do hard resets
burnt tree
u can buy gear and sht from the market or w/e
sand marsh
It's not as aggressive as KRMMOs though lol.
surreal gyro
thats the dfifference
burnt tree
and FF14 has no p2w xdd
surreal gyro
if LoA or any other KR game didnt have ever greeen systems people wouldnt care about p2w
burnt tree
u cant buy raid gear, but u also dont need to min max
you can use the crafted set or tomestone set
sand marsh
People want evergreen systems. But not with the shitty monetization attached to it.
burnt tree
i just dont like so many rng elements, but ppl grew addicted to the "tap"
sand marsh
There's a massive audience of people who want to no-life a MMO. But they all suck. That's the issue lol
surreal gyro
they dont, they say it time and time again, they dont want to take a break for LoA because they will miss out
its not the p2w thats the problem there, its that there are evergreen systems that you keep building on as you play the game and if you dont play the game you just stay behind regardless of p2w
sand marsh
Nah P2W/RMT is a big part of this. And LA is a prime example of that.
sand marsh
When many people are swiping, it seems like an insurmountable wall to climb through to be deem as acceptable when applying to parties.
And this is fucked becuase of RMT/P2W
surreal gyro
thats the problem tho you are comparing a new player to the whales why should a new player play with whales anyway
lol
sand marsh
Some of it is system design, but a big part of it is people rage swiping just to increase there CP.
surreal gyro
its not everyone tho
sand marsh
Well, if there were no whales and just cosmetic model only, the bar would be much lower lol
surreal gyro
it would still be a dead game
broken lava
cards will be easier soonge
sand marsh
Well a company that is ethical enough to monetize via cosmetics only, would care more about player feedback.
But that's not smilegate.
burnt tree
cards will be easier soonge
surreal gyro
look at games like idk Sword of Legends online
the game had 0 p2w
only cosmetics
nobody wanted to play it
burnt tree
i mean the director acknowledged ark grid is problematic but its too soon to fix it
surreal gyro
monetization doenst mean much
burnt tree
but ppl here seething 3 weeks in
sand marsh
I'm not saying every game with no p2w will be good lol. You can't polish a turd.
surreal gyro
even if LoA had 0 p2w and it was the same game as it is now, it would still be a niche
broken lava
<a:aminjihmm:1055316872607834174>
With the change that Bosses Die when they reach 0 HP no matter what. You can Blast all of the Solo Raids for easy cards in like a few mins
sand marsh
even if LoA had 0 p2w and it was the same game as it is now, it would still be a...
It was very popular at launch. It would of been massive if there was no p2w and smilegate listened more to player feedback.
burnt tree
With the change that Bosses Die when they reach 0 HP no matter what. You can Bla...
unless its kazeros or act 4 idc ngl, i have all other cards from raids
surreal gyro
It was very popular at launch. It would of been massive if there was no p2w and ...
it was very popular on launch because of the huge hypetrain, not because everyone knew what the game is about
sand marsh
What turned a ton of people off instantly was streamers giga swiping and getting to T3 insanely fast lol.
broken lava
unless its kazeros or act 4 idc ngl, i have all other cards from raids<a:ArtistP...
yeah for us it won't matter much anymore, but for many other people that are still missing a few cards here and there it's really good
quiet flower
What turned a ton of people off instantly was streamers giga swiping and getting...
Infamous Shroud spending 20k USD to do Argos 
burnt tree
Shroud spends a lot on everything new he plays
sand marsh
Infamous Shroud spending 20k USD to do Argos <a:Classic:1022969555909349387>
Yeah u see shit like that, your average western player would call it dogshit and not play it lol
So dumb.
quiet flower
Just had to watch Asmongold play for that
Spend all that money to still suck ass because he uses the same build for everything
WHIRLWIND ON SINGLE TARGET GO BRRR
burnt tree
asmongold was vibing, using his chaos dungeon skill in raids having fun
sand marsh
^^
quiet flower
Yup
sand marsh
He was bad but he was having fun lol
burnt tree
but thats the problem with most ppl
surreal gyro
Asmongold still likes lost ark
quiet flower
Until he kept wiping and started malding
burnt tree
he was malding but said he still enjoyed it
but the most important factor is he had fun
quiet flower
burnt tree
ppl only care to min max their e-cock and create artificical competition
quiet flower
I still remember his statement in WoW: "You're not allowed to have fun, you're here to win"
burnt tree
and i ask
what is there to win in a non competitive game like loa
outside of tfm or challenge mode leaderboard
surreal gyro
none it's just people fomoing
burnt tree
why do they drag other ppl into their shit
sand marsh
well people like myself enjoy minmaxing. Playing a subpar wacko build is not the definition of fun for everyone lol.
surreal gyro
and thats why i said that p2w in a PvE game is irrelevant as long as you can do content
quiet flower
Unless you're joining raids with your shit builds just to make it more difficult, you do you
sand marsh
You should ask smilegate that question lol.
The high DPS checks are there for a reason
surreal gyro
and in lost ark you can do that the only instances where you couldnt do raids as F2P imo were
- Argos
- Akkan HM on release
- TFM Kazeros
burnt tree
i dont talk about when the raids are new but homework, ppl into the new systems where dps checks arent even a big deal at that point
swift magnet
wow smt useful finally from these shitober chests
burnt tree
they still cry and moan like children
uncut dirge
The swiping might've turned people off but I think it's the raids themselves that did the same
sand marsh
and in lost ark you can do that the only instances where you couldnt do raids as...
Anything besides Argos was achievable F2P. Argos was rushed.
uncut dirge
The raids in this game are hard
surreal gyro
nah Akkan HM on release was pretty brutal
uncut dirge
Guardians are a huge difficulty spike compared to what happened before it
surreal gyro
and TFM kazeros while u might be 1740 F2P you aint doing 450+ m DPS anytime soon
uncut dirge
Argos is even harder than that
sand marsh
and TFM kazeros while u might be 1740 F2P you aint doing 450+ m DPS anytime soon
well good thing 450mil is not the minimum dps
or even close to it lol
uncut dirge
Valtan harder than that, Vykas harder than that
And I think that killed it for a lot of people too - the game was too hard for them
surreal gyro
we did lose most players during each legion raid release
sand marsh
And you can still do close to that by the way if your just really good.
surreal gyro
i remember in Clown half of the people i was playing with quit
uncut dirge
I specifically remember nurturing a mokoko around clown times
From like level 25 onward
surreal gyro
yeah imo Vykas/Clown/Brel were the big population kilers
swift magnet
most ppl i started with quit with brel
most ppl i started with quit with argos xD
burnt tree
lmfao
bleak zinc
uncut dirge
When I raided with her she seemed fine still, but after like 1 week of pugging she was like "nah this game ain't for me"
burnt tree
eos next
surreal gyro
lel
uncut dirge
It makes sense too
The "early game" of lost ark is so wildly different from what guardian and "legion raids" are like
surreal gyro
yes but when u see veterans quitting on a raid release it is kinda buffling
burnt tree
f2p
uncut dirge
The gameplay in the story is easier than a mobile game in Lost Ark
quiet flower
Even doing the dungeons during the story were vastly different
uncut dirge
yes but when u see veterans quitting on a raid release it is kinda buffling
Idk, raid annoys them somehow
Add on some frontier fomo
sand marsh
yes but when u see veterans quitting on a raid release it is kinda buffling
cant clear in a few days = end of the world for some people
pretty funny
i clear when i clear
uncut dirge
And then they realize they gotta do this raid for 6-12 months on every char every week
burnt tree
and now that we are within the item levels for the next raid after kazeros they will still fomo
no chill
sand marsh
I know a guild of people who are waiting for full frontier nerfs to do Kaz HM
Wish more people looked at it like that
uncut dirge
Are we within the ilvls tho
sand marsh
Instead of trying to force themselves into a situation where they aren't having fun.
burnt tree
1730 HM
uncut dirge
Because it feels like SG just decided to rename the difficulties
broken lava
Wish more people looked at it like that
from what I've seen in the pugs so far, I might also do that xdd
uncut dirge
Where they put nightmare label on hard mode
uncut dirge
Normal mode became hard mode
swift magnet
cant clear in a few days = end of the world for some people
i know i wont ever clear kaz hm and its whatever to me . same as thae g4. dont care enough about raids that i dont like to try and clear ^^
sand marsh
???
burnt tree
they added an additional difficulty for the sweatlords who complain homework is too easy
sand marsh
i know i wont ever clear kaz hm and its whatever to me . same as thae g4. dont c...
Eh, I wouldn't knock it until you try it lol.
burnt tree
which is 1740 for the next raid
uncut dirge
And then they added some dejavu difficulty to try to stop people from complaining
swift magnet
Eh, I wouldn't knock it until you try it lol.
well i tried thae g4
sand marsh
well i tried thae g4
in tier 3 i can see u not liking it cause it may have been too had
hard
but in t4 it was a 6min raid lol
burnt tree
the raid is easy, they said it themselves. They wont make a new tier gear locked behind a difficult raid
surreal gyro
i think the 3 difficulties is a better and more healthy idea
burnt tree
it is
surreal gyro
you have frontier for NM / HM you keep nightmare as it is for those who want the extra challenge
burnt tree
throw the weirdos who sweat fomo into challenge mode
swift magnet
in tier 3 i can see u not liking it cause it may have been too had
ya but its also no fun to phase the boss just to clear. so i dont do it
burnt tree
let the normies in NM/HM
uncut dirge
they added an additional difficulty for the sweatlords who complain homework is ...
Oh and it just so happens that only the new hard mode is at the level of new gear reset, but not normal mode?
sand marsh
ya but its also no fun to phase the boss just to clear. so i dont do it
that's... every raid
including act 4 rn lol
burnt tree
Oh and it just so happens that only the new hard mode is at the level of new gea...
they force ppl to use their gold
uncut dirge
And it just so happens there's another difficulty level above HM now?
swift magnet
including act 4 rn lol
i wouldnt say that
burnt tree
bro
surreal gyro
Oh and it just so happens that only the new hard mode is at the level of new gea...
it does make sense because there is a soft reset and NM is only at 1710 which is super achievable
burnt tree
weve known this for months
swift magnet
got jailed in kaz nm with a 1745 group
burnt tree
why are u crashing out now
sand marsh
got jailed in kaz nm with a 1745 group
doing kaz nm with 1745s, i woulldnt of joined that group
uncut dirge
To me it sounds exactly like
New nightmare mode = old hard mode
New hard mode = old normal mode
New normal mode = dejavu or some shit
swift magnet
and act 4 is also special
sand marsh
anyone that overgeared doing kaz nm is probably very bad lol
swift magnet
hm i mean
burnt tree
doing kaz nm with 1745s, i woulldnt of joined that group
you literally just said more ppl should avoid HM Kaz if they dont feel comfy doing it without full frontier
so wheres the issue if a 1745 is in NM
sand marsh
you literally just said more ppl should avoid HM Kaz if they dont feel comfy doi...
But I also see no logic in honing to that high of an item level.
Shrug
broken lava
To me it sounds exactly like
New nightmare mode = old hard mode
New hard mode = ...
eh not really, from what was said.
Normal = Normal
Hard = Hard
Nightmare = slightly below a TFM difficulty
burnt tree
i mean i shouldnt be 1733 either but free taps
surreal gyro
To me it sounds exactly like
New nightmare mode = old hard mode
New hard mode = ...
or you can see it the other way, you do HM for a couple of months, once you gear up more you upgrade to Nightmare and while you do a HM raid, you also get more rewards
burnt tree
To me it sounds exactly like
New nightmare mode = old hard mode
New hard mode = ...
ok ure blind and deaf
surreal gyro
i think its a way healthier idea and its actually good since you can still utilize the raid system to gear up and do the raid in harder difficulty
burnt tree
NM = NM as we know it
HM = HM as we know it
Challenge Mode = Eassier than TFM but harder than HM
uncut dirge
or you can see it the other way, you do HM for a couple of months, once you gear...
Yeah, you do normal mode for a couple of months, then you gear up to do HM
Which is what people say right now and have said before
surreal gyro
yes its perfect
broken lava
if they nail the 3 difficulties on their 1st try? prolly not but we'll see
surreal gyro
whats wrong with it
uncut dirge
And dejavu mode is "just for learning the raid"
burnt tree
Nightmare for the challenge and slightly more gold, nothing else 
uncut dirge
(and it's dead)
burnt tree
u have no reason to do Nightmare
burnt tree
otherwise
surreal gyro
NM will give stuff you need like gold and ark grid stuff
swift magnet
doing kaz nm with 1745s, i woulldnt of joined that group
well i would say maybe those ppl are like me. dont wanna play with static or dont have the mental health to prog hm with pugs. so i just do nm kaz.
broken lava
Nightmare for the challenge and slightly more gold, nothing else <a:yawn:1303704...
I do like getting an extra legendary core though 
uncut dirge
u have no reason to do Nightmare
Frontier titles on nightmare probably
surreal gyro
there wont be frontier on nightmare
swift magnet
cba with a raid that i will def drop as soon as shadow raids get released for us
surreal gyro
it beats the whole purpose of nightmare
sand marsh
well i would say maybe those ppl are like me. dont wanna play with static or don...
In that context I would of saved my gold and not honed lol.
Each to their own ig
uncut dirge
It doesn't have to be frontier specifically
burnt tree
Frontier titles on nightmare probably
so what
broken lava
yeah but you will prolly get a Nightmare Title
uncut dirge
But chances are it gives some titles
kind oriole
Hope with new raid frontier will be gone, just slight hp nerfs at start instatly
surreal gyro
Nightmare will stay as it is and it will probably replace the hell mode thing
uncut dirge
Which means that everyone feels obligated to do that
burnt tree
Hell Mode will return but it will be like Hanumatan
surreal gyro
but we knew this was coming since China announced Aegir Catastrophe mode
burnt tree
they will release Hell Akkan and Thaemine
uncut dirge
Because 3 months after raid release people ask for that title on their alts
swift magnet
Each to their own ig
i dont say ppl shouldnt do hm if they have fun with that raid. just no fun to me
burnt tree
we already know all of that
surreal gyro
Because 3 months after raid release people ask for that title on their alts
have you seen a lot of people gatekeeping on Frontier titles for Act3 ? all i see is abyssal punishers
burnt tree
but we dont know if they will do Hell Modes again after the legion raids are complete
sand marsh
Because 3 months after raid release people ask for that title on their alts
People did this with x10 titles. No diff.
uncut dirge
have you seen a lot of people gatekeeping on Frontier titles for Act3 ? all i se...
Yes?
broken lava
I just run around with my Paradise title
sand marsh
You want to prog a raid months after it came out.
No learning parties
Maybe u cleared it one time
No x10 title
surreal gyro
idk either most lobbies just want x10
sand marsh
Your complaint on frontier is flawed
burnt tree
frontier title shouldnt have existed regardless
it should have been a way to simply make the raid eassier asthe weeks go by
uncut dirge
Obviously people aren't heavily gatekeeping a raid that released 4 raids ago
surreal gyro
i still remember people asing for HM trophies back in Echidna were we didnt have Frontier so idk what the difference is
uncut dirge
Because trophy checking has friction
lunar stag
have you seen a lot of people gatekeeping on Frontier titles for Act3 ? all i se...
i use archfiend , hm mordum isn't hard its just annoying
sand marsh
Even with no frontier titles, people will just ask for x10. And if you only have 1 or 2 characters for that raid, you arent getting x10 for a while.
burnt tree
Echidna was hot, id get any trophy for her
uncut dirge
You only do it if you really care about it
Title checking is easy, you do it every time you can
bleak zinc
i dont have any titles 
uncut dirge
But you are right in one sense
It does feel like there's less title gatekeeping, especially for Kazeros
surreal gyro
i think people are so fixated on the negative aspect of one change, while completely ignoring the positive aspects
late portal
uncut dirge
Even reclear lobbies often take deathlikes
swift magnet
frontier title shouldnt have existed regardless
frontier titles for hm are fomo bait. but that aside titles are flawed with kaz anyways. x10 g1 title but none for x10 g2-1 nm.
uncut dirge
Because it takes very long to fill lobbies otherwise (sometimes)
surreal gyro
they did a good job with NM on Act4/Kazeros
ember crag
Tmr we can expect dps numbers for new class?
uncut dirge
they did a good job with NM on Act4/Kazeros
I wish G1 stagger was easier in kaz
But I agree
broken lava
Bruh Stagger checks in general in Kaz are crazy it feels like
brittle hawk
g1 stagger
uncut dirge
But I also wonder if I agree only because the shitters aren't in Kazeros normal yet
surreal gyro
just take a WW
sand marsh
If you think the stagger check in prokel is hard you crazy as hell lol
uncut dirge
The absolute dumpster fires I've seen in Aegir, Brel and mordum recently wonders what we're gonna do when they appear in kaz normal
uncut dirge
If you think the stagger check in prokel is hard you crazy as hell lol
It's definitely hard
A lot of classes struggle with doing it
surreal gyro
it really isnt its because people fk up a lot
use meter next time when you do it and check the stagger done by your teammates
sand marsh
A lot of classes struggle with doing it
You can literally put on VPH, meet the DPS check and be just fine
burnt tree
Tmr we can expect dps numbers for new class?
ew
uncut dirge
Obviously when you have paladins, deathblades, slayers, berserkers, and arcanas it feels easy
surreal gyro
also with the new balance patch al ot of classes got more stagger
so idk ull have an issue
burnt tree
Tf did i do to you
how would we know the numbers when they will be build crafting for a month lmao
sand marsh
Obviously when you have paladins, deathblades, slayers, berserkers, and arcanas ...
I did it this week with a souleater, gunslinger and a aeromancer lol
surreal gyro
even on a lower skill lobby
uncut dirge
But then you put together like Valkyries and soul eaters and sorcs
And it's a tough check
burnt tree
they wont get the class tomorrow and immidiately figure out how she works
sand marsh
The stagger check is only hard when people are eating the floor.
And that is a player problem
burnt tree
yeah ill make a guardian knight
uncut dirge
I did it this week with a souleater, gunslinger and a aeromancer lol
Aeromancer is good stagger though
uncut dirge
Not like arcana good but pretty decent
late portal
they wont get the class tomorrow and immidiately figure out how she works
Almost like they think she will come fully geared out day 1
sand marsh
Aeromancer is good stagger though
I've also done it with a GS, sorc and souleater.
late portal
burnt tree
also that like
sand marsh
4c
burnt tree
no gear
sand marsh
put on VPH call it a day
burnt tree
and he wants numbers
uncut dirge
GS is also kind of alright, but depends a lot on the player
late portal
uncut dirge
I would say the biggest difference typically comes from supports
burnt tree
lunar stag
By the way, when mordum starts shooting lazersbehind him and slams infront of him,what's the point of that mech?
kind oriole
Just bring gunlancer with vital point hit 
lunar stag
like i always felt he should kill you for swinging when he isn't busy
uncut dirge
Like a paladin vs artist can end up with a 2x stagger difference pretty easily
late portal
Orrrrr if you guys didn’t think of this yet
sand marsh
I would say the biggest difference typically comes from supports
Eh not really, DPS players with VPH do about the same stagger as me on paladin. Even on sorc lol
ember crag
how would we know the numbers when they will be build crafting for a month lmao
Cause they gonna try them out?
uncut dirge
Eh not really, DPS players with VPH do about the same stagger as me on paladin. ...
Yes, dpses do more stagger, but Pala should out stagger sorc
uncut dirge
But on my sorc I swap to 2x overwhelms + vision + 2x ww
sand marsh
Not by a large margin when you slap on VPH.
burnt tree
You dont do theory for a whole month
they do for weeks
uncut dirge
And even that barely gets me to the ~7k needed
burnt tree
they find some builds that work together and then finalise them
burnt tree
plus again, the characters wont have relevant verticals done
broken lava
just hit counters and JG's
late portal
Ez pz
ember crag
plus again, the characters wont have relevant verticals done
Fair
uncut dirge
If that barely gets you to 7k, that's a player issue
Well, just means you don't really know what low stagger classes are like
sand marsh
just hit counters and JG's
people also dont realize that the stagger bar is not immediate upon entering prokel. It takes roughly 2 seconds for the stagger bar to be available
sand marsh
Well, just means you don't really know what low stagger classes are like
I literally run with sorcs every week for Kazeros
I know what there stagger is like
Granted they are good players but still
burnt tree
tf is that
quiet flower
Magica
uncut dirge
If the top sorc pulls on G1
swift magnet
tf is that
cat mount
burnt tree
lol
uncut dirge
End up at 7-9k stagger in a raid where there are more stagger checks afterwards
I don't see how you can say that they easily hit 7k on that check
sand marsh
End up at 7-9k stagger in a raid where there are more stagger checks afterwards
There's only one more after and it only happens if DPS is low.
Technically 2. And I never see them.
late portal
viscid sand
like i always felt he should kill you for swinging when he isn't busy
when he starts trying to zap people taking the rope?
lunar stag
when he starts trying to zap people taking the rope?
yes
uncut dirge
@sand marsh anyway I checked the top reflux pulls and they're in the 6-8k range for the entire raid (hard to tell what runes they used, but overwhelms don't add that much to sorc anyway)
viscid sand
thats to kill someone if they take the rope from both sides kekw
viscid sand
ye
uncut dirge
soit might not kill you but kill the other player?
Yes
viscid sand
say you take from the right and the guy takes from the left
one guy is getting shot down
LOL
sand marsh
<@429948941581418496> anyway I checked the top reflux pulls and they're in the 6...
your checking top dps which doesn't necessarily have a correlation with prokel performance. and if high dmg is occuring, they likely won't see the other stagger checks in the raid since the boss is phasing.
burnt tree
world bossu tankyou
uncut dirge
world bossu tankyou
Gonna get a relic from it!
burnt tree
Gonna get a relic from it!
i hope it drops a Serca
uncut dirge
But tbh I'm not that worried about sorcs on the stagger, more worried about valks
How did they release a warrior class with bad stagger
charred void
How did they release a warrior class with bad stagger
stagger wasn't needed for like a year
viscid sand
How did they release a warrior class with bad stagger
so that they could fix it with the next system 
ember crag
Does ark grid donsomething for skills? Or is it like transendence and elixirs?
uncut dirge
Wtf is that
zealous lintel
Does ark grid donsomething for skills? Or is it like transendence and elixirs?
it does depending on your path
prime frigate
Bloodclaw #2 at merchant boat near Dreamgull Island (about 20min left) (RATIK)
bleak zinc
Bloodclaw #2 at merchant boat near Dreamgull Island (about 20min left) (RATIK)
i already have it but would be good to know which server 🙂
charred void
Does ark grid donsomething for skills? Or is it like transendence and elixirs?
just put 6x brutal impact on your skillbar
burnt tree
hes dead
burnt tree
CAYDE 6???
burnt tree
wait what the fuck
official crossover with star wars
basically we got blasters from star wars
fathom cloak
fuck lost ark time to be a fucking jedi
ember crag
And swords
ember crag
Its a primary ammo blade no?
ember crag
Dang
burnt tree
u return projectiles to where u aim
fathom cloak
ember crag
Sunsgot my beloved
fathom cloak
LETS GO
ember crag
Starfire protocol
Ah
Good times
I remember grinding the shit out of season 16
Just to get calus mini tool
For it to be worthless 2 seasons later
sullen meteor
they saw how many people are struggling on stagger and they decided to put this in base kit lmao
slender sky
<@258298198878191616> <@670000375872487458>
ember crag
Whats the destiny thing tho
late portal
burnt tree
do i have to buy dlc for it tho ? <:Stare:1355166267027230751>
well yes, its a crossover, how is lucasfilm going to make money
fathom cloak
fathom cloak
fuck that 
back to loa
burnt tree
yeah go back
lunar stag
That's the wrong fucking color you idiot game, they were two reds there!
this would havebeen perfect to finish my core bonus IF IT WAS RED
swift magnet
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855703067901952030/1447296567391420579/4K...
soooooo goooood
me want it now
surreal gyro
i hope we get Argos soon
slender sky
me want it now
we get it in march to reignite christmas theme
swift magnet
xD
surreal gyro
Aion2 xmas skins
slender sky
oh i just noticed Shandi is cooked
thanks for spoiler
burnt tree
Aion2 xmas skins
would
surreal gyro
burnt tree
i mean what
charred void
i got muted for less here
surreal gyro
like that's crazy
burnt tree
you act surprised but the sheer outfit they got in their shop since launch is worse
burnt tree
What wouldn't you
zerker mains
surreal gyro
lunar stag
i went 20 cp down becaue ofthis dog shit system called ark grid
surreal gyro
all of the new outfits are pure coom
charred void
meanwhile we had omen skin to goon on release
surreal gyro
like its insane
surreal gyro
i like the white one as well
surreal gyro
well
burnt tree
any crossover anytime soon thx
zealous lintel
Aion2 xmas skins
surreal gyro
i shud have become a skin designer
zealous lintel
my type of gameplay
surreal gyro
such a fun job
midnight drift
Lmao max coom
wind dagger
meanwhile we had omen skin to goon on release <:FeelsGladMan:932101378548068383>
hell no
you are alone in this
surreal gyro
we had the exlusive skins too
burnt tree
i didnt
charred void
when you try to spoonfeed idiots slowly with trash skins 1 by 1 and end up losing 90% of idiots 💀
surreal gyro
one of the best DB weapons too
burnt tree
the weapons were ok
charred void
then you send summer skins and nobody there left to buy them
fathom cloak
our skins were always dogshit. a few good leg skins. and now the new one is good thats it
surreal gyro
ye not bad
burnt tree
but the anime themed skins were weird
when i think of anime, i dont think of sailor moon
surreal gyro
the sailor moon ones?
burnt tree
yea
surreal gyro
on artists they looked good
fathom cloak
surreal gyro
for the rest of the classes they were very anticlimactic
burnt tree
like each skin could fit differently for each class
charred void
male warrior
burnt tree
male warrior is a meme
charred void
swift magnet
surreal gyro
card xp
charred void
only 3 more months until american exclusive skin
wind dagger
lol
burnt tree
https://tenor.com/view/taric-gif-10622307937175930561
When you start lost ark vs when you play it for 4 years
surreal gyro
HAHAHAH