then leave
#lost-ark-discussions
uncut dirge
sand marsh
rinse and repeat
uncut dirge
i still use the same layout for spells on my sorc
this is a few hours after servers came online (or i was able to log in at least)
sand marsh
i was a demon as a kid
neon cedar
Scamboi
neon cedar
"as a kid" maps were 2 years ago
sand marsh
the server all knew who i was at that point
fresh flint
^
sand marsh
so i had to pay for a server swap
fresh flint
I used to watch the fuck out of videos of people ninjaing on wow
it was so fucking hilarious
sand marsh
its so funny xdd
fresh flint
the amount of rage
obtuse oyster
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fresh flint
LMAOOO
obtuse oyster
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uncut dirge
oh yeah
fresh flint
Dude
uncut dirge
@sand marsh did you literally never do any arena pvp
if you didn't know about space bar
fresh flint
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I used to work for Gamigo as a mod for a game I used to play. They fucking STILL use this shit 
sand marsh
When I ninja looted, the kind of slurs that were coming my way was crazy as hell. It reminded me of cod lobbies and making people mad was funny. I would ninja loot stuff I didn't even need or couldn't use
For the sake of making people mad
sand marsh
<@429948941581418496> did you literally never do any arena pvp
Never pvp'ed
uncut dirge
huh that's so weird to think about
first thing i did after getting to luterra castle was go into a pvp match
uncut dirge
we beat the shit out of them
fresh flint
the first and last time pvp ever mattered
uncut dirge
wtf
im missing like a whole week of recordings from the start of the game
that's sad
goes from february 9 to february 19th
obtuse oyster
the first and last time pvp ever mattered
the people that still do it just print infinite bluecrystal
obtuse oyster
spice kindle
@sand marsh will you be pushing fresh account again
uncut dirge
this was so "fun" in cube
formal frost
when slime island and medeia were a thing, i saw this person there every time
here's the mid june incident
fresh flint
here's the mid june incident
lmao wtf
Some SEs AND Db's really need to uninstall
(I'm the lv 6 gems...)
fresh flint
I've been 1720 for months
mystic basin
Se to ws
fresh flint
How far is your ws?
uncut dirge
neither seems like a good choice
fresh flint
Oof
mystic basin
They have 3k fusions
fresh flint
Doesnt matter, you're reaaaaally far off
fresh flint
You AH 20 her already?
obtuse oyster
And I have like 6k unbound leaps
Om
mystic basin
obtuse oyster
mystic basin
I only started
uncut dirge
i do that too
uncut dirge
i do AH in T3as far as it goes
mystic basin
Tho thinking about it again it probably won't be doable
uncut dirge
btw speaking of push immune
did you know that casting a sidereal also makes you push immune*
the asterisk is - sometimes
fresh flint
i just assumed it did ngl
mystic basin
I found that out on early days of valtan
uncut dirge
it won't cast and you get instantly sucked in
uncut dirge
yep that's why i gotta do quest now
mystic basin
Surely its not delayed
sand marsh
what quest
uncut dirge
the pre act 4 quest
uncut dirge
man, aegir solo is so chill
ember solstice
anybody know if you need splendid sacred even for Kazz NM
sand marsh
nope
fresh flint
I don't think so no
uncut dirge
but you need it for hm?
sand marsh
boss will be deleted in NM with ark grid
yes u do for kazeros
splendid sacred bombs are better
for 4-2
at least now i'll have x6 kazeros to do per week
surely i can knock them all out week 1
ember solstice
o
sand marsh
@fresh flint will you be around on reset
ember solstice
okay so i bought some splendid sacreds for fun 
sand marsh
okay so i bought some splendid sacreds for fun <:KEKW:1043293212699275355>
save em for hm
ember solstice
i wasn't sure if i needed them even for nm
sand marsh
trust me you'll want them
ember solstice
do you just not get stun in nm or does it just not matter
sand marsh
do you just not get stun in nm or does it just not matter
jus doesnt matter
modern hatch
splendid sacred bombs are better
What do splendid sacred bombs even do compared to normal
ember solstice
2s immunity
ember solstice
jus doesnt matter
modern hatch
O just like charms then
uncut dirge
For those ready to take on this challenge, you'll need to complete the Rimeria World Quest - Connected Duty, and Prelude Quest: Destined Trajectory, along with meeting the Item Level requirements of 1700+ for Normal mode or 1720+ for Hard mode.
from patch notes
so i think we do have to do the quest
uncut dirge
but im not sure what this rimeria world quest thing is
nothing shows up when i try to search for the name
modern hatch
but im not sure what this rimeria world quest thing is
Rimeria msq
sand marsh
that is the story
uncut dirge
yeah but how did they get the name wrong
modern hatch
Early levels of paradise tomorrow <:ew:1052030777967255592>
On supports too 
west pivot
what is the connected duty quest for rimeria, is it MSQ?
sand marsh
what is the connected duty quest for rimeria, is it MSQ?
yes
neon cedar
min-max for more keys
I think full effort on main, zero effort on alts
viscid sand
ehh, charms are a bit different
Splendid charms remove one of any cleansable debuff + short immunity to cc. Splendid sacred bombs only removes cc effects + short immunity to cc. The mains perk of having bombs instead of charms are range and hold limit afaik.
west pivot
confused cause I don't even see it lol
sand marsh
I think full effort on main, zero effort on alts
thats what i did with paradise. except after Elysian 10 I stopped and just did my weekly x3 blue keys every week
too much effort to try and minmax for ranking
west pivot
either that or it is named differently hm...
sand marsh
its msq. prolly named wrong
modern hatch
zeherade has the adult voice over
Be happy she has any VO.
modern hatch
There is no merit in rewarding mediocrity
Then quit the game 
viscid sand
Then quit the game <a:kekwaddle:1028524514881052682>
or just keep malding, that seems to be how we do things here for the smallest things anyway
modern hatch
uncut dirge
at least keep the korean voice over then
modern hatch
There's a dlc for that iirc
astral ermine
assuming it doesn't go longer
lunar hedge
uncut dirge
i did the quest
watched all the cutscenes, read all the lines
1 hour+ quest
jesus
also the quest to search for is "Trajectory of Destiny"
blazing marlin
final gale
Anybody have a lsit of all the stuff that expire today that I need to claim/use?
formal frost
the strike/rimeria event shop is the one expiring
lunar stag
the strike/rimeria event shop is the one expiring
Are you going miss it or nah?
A part of me will miss it
formal frost
i only got 2 tries at hm, so in that way, yes
ebon snow
strike hm was a perfect homework really but nm a shitshow waste of time
formal frost
now that its over though, i have a confession to make. i never knew how to do that mech where people were calling out numbers properly, i just let everyone else do it
celest tiger
yeah calling mechs are very weird in this game
fresh flint
now that its over though, i have a confession to make. i never knew how to do th...
That shit made no sense
Cause wtf do you mean 7 - 2/6/8/12/52/77
formal frost
pretty much how i felt
formal frost
wish i thought of this while it was happening, should've made lobby titles "know mech hm reclear" then sit back and watch everyone else do it /s
basically what i did anyways
viscid sand
The funny part is that you can clear the mech in one cycle of orbs 
So that mech actually has giga leeway
mortal burrow
now that its over though, i have a confession to make. i never knew how to do th...
it honestly was p easy to understand for me personally
any of the 6 inner hexagons can glow
and you cleanse those tiles and 2 of the tiles associated with it
formal frost
something that isnt junk for once
mortal burrow
basically the people who go inside step on their tile ( at 7, 11, 3) and they see that tile + 2 other tiles that are glowing on the outside
for example if i am 7, and i see 12 and 3 for instance
that is what 7 -12,3 means
it means if 7 is glowing on the inner set of tiles after we regroup, then we have to cleanse 7 in the inner side and 12,3 on the outer side
the gamba version is just cleanse the 2 inside tiles
and gambaing where the tiles might be on the outside
do you kind of follow? @formal frost
formal frost
barely
mortal burrow
basically, inner tiles has 2 outer tiles associated
people call them
and if u see the tile on the inside glow after we gather up again
call out that tile and the associated 2 outer tiles to cleanse
7 - 10, 12 just means
OH, in the inside I saw 10 and 12 on the outside glow when I stepped on 7
formal frost
ah
mortal burrow
and each person on the inside moves clockwise after they called the first set
so every inner tile is covered
so we know all the combos that it could be
for instance lets say i have 7-12, 3 and 9- 6,9
and only 9 on the inner side glows and some other clock position
so i would just repeat 9- 6,9
formal frost
i dont like mechs where i have to type, i end up making typos and cant send it in time, it fucked me up in old brel and i could never clear it except once
mortal burrow
so we would cleanse the glowing 9 tile on the inner side and we havce to cleanse
6 and 9 on the outer side
yeah..
at first the positions were really overwhelming
because i literally was having trouble telling from the 12 outer positions..
but i kept practicing and was able to succeed
but yeah... it's kind of a struggle sometimes..
@formal frost just know kaz also has a position type of mech
but it has 18 positions
although you will cheese it in hm and nm most likely
formal frost
mortal burrow
8 positon*
formal frost
dont you just hyper it
formal frost
im not even close to being there
formal frost
whys it bleeding
cinder mango
I don't know, ask Kazeros
cinder mango
Yea that’s too much
fresh flint
<:Susge:1065387133990355014>
What
viscid sand
kazeros doesnt look as bad as thammy to prog
thae g3 wasnt even that bad other than scuff clash timings
viscid sand
g4 was just a matter of banging your head hard enough til you can tell if you're gonna get ragdolled or not
lunar stag
Gate 2-2 just look like so much pain omg
Like I can't see anything. This will be so hard to prog
And if you reset you go back to the start of gate 2 damn
viscid sand
ye it's basically like g4 thae (which many people back in the day skipped 
)
wind dagger
lunar stag
ye it's basically like g4 thae <:YEP:1041460387142455316> (which many people bac...
i mean, i will prog it once i get to 1730, i am just confused why they couldn't have made it into a seperate ggate
It feels like you doing 2 gates for the reward of one
viscid sand
i mean, i will prog it once i get to 1730, i am just confused why they couldn't ...
it's basically to give less stress to the players who don't want to do hm but want to see the cutscenes without youtube.
like basically back in thae, you wouldn't know what actually happens without clearing g4 or going onto youtube
this is like the inbetween of it lul
lunar stag
but how isthat fixed? without doing hm you won't know what happens no?
viscid sand
you can still clear G2 in nm to progress your own "story"
you could not against thaemine
a lot of people settled with just clearing g3 and called it a day
i doubt many of the casuals even know what happens in the story for g4 thaemine
like how G3 isn't even thaemine himself but just a shadow clone
lunar stag
i am so confused what's the diff
viscid sand
basically, it's just so that you feel like you've actually "beaten the raid". instead of that thought that there is indeed another gate after.
neon cedar
i mean, i will prog it once i get to 1730, i am just confused why they couldn't ...
Its been 8 years of build up to fight the big bad. He has a whole raid dedicated to him and its intended to be the most challenging fight in the game yet. Making things easy goes against everything this raid is meant to be
viscid sand
it's just mental gymnastics
neon cedar
If you want easy do NM without the bonus fights
lunar stag
Its been 8 years of build up to fight the big bad. He has a whole raid dedicated...
its not making it easy, its just inconvenient, heck make gate 2-1 and 2-2 harder
neon cedar
i doubt many of the casuals even know what happens in the story for g4 thaemine
They dont & thats exactly why Thaemine Extreme was made
neon cedar
its not making it easy, its just inconvenient, heck make gate 2-1 and 2-2 harder
Again, it goes against everything the fight is meant to be
viscid sand
it's more so to keep in line with how Thaemine TFM was brought about except this time, the casuals can actually "clear" g4 albeit a baby version of it
lunar stag
why is gate 1 the mage fight seperate, while the brawler and god fight the same gate?
like there is straight up no reason to not make it 3 gates
viscid sand
mostly to make it thematic to how "TFM" is played out
lunar stag
i think that is the only answer tbh
neon cedar
What a lame ending to the finale of everything we've been building towards if the end was just the end
Lost ark has always have x0 mechs and stuff to surprise you at the end. You're only unimpressed because we've seen KR
Fighting the hardest raid ever only to learn there is another fight is extremely exciting
lunar stag
no no, keep 2-3 i don't care
just make it seperate, 3-1-2 no problem
why is that an issue?
neon cedar
If you don't care about 1 bonus fight then who cares about 2? It makes no difference
There is so much more to game design that you feel "convenienced"
viscid sand
like i said, casuals still get to fight "all gates" in nm, while the sweats get some semblance of preservation as to what TFM is.
lunar stag
Its just weirdly stractured, i don't care about diff, i will prog it either way, i just think 2-2 should have been gate 3 and people who can't clear it, well they can just learn it
viscid sand
the only diff is that g4 thae is biweekly(?) 
lunar stag
i understand that people wnat to clear all gates and not be stuck with a missing achievement of not defeating kazeros
by the way
kinda of reminds me
neon cedar
Slapping a another obvious gate on the UI ruins all the shock value to fighting THE boss of the whole game. Nobody would care about the end of gate 2
lunar stag
if you didn't clear gate 4 10 times you didn't get the thaemine title?
neon cedar
Just like you don't care about g1
viscid sand
in the devs' eyes, you're either a casual or a sweaty tfm racer they have long since looked at the "almost top1%" players
viscid sand
Slapping a another obvious gate on the UI ruins all the shock value to fighting ...
also truege
neon cedar
if you didn't clear gate 4 10 times you didn't get the thaemine title?
You do
lunar stag
damn
viscid sand
you get lightqueller from g3, not CoS, no? 
fathom cloak
neon cedar
For 1 gate. Im talking about in general
viscid sand
you 100% had to have COS or minimum Darkness Legion Commander for people to consider you for Eclipse runs
neon cedar
Okay, now we're getting even more niche
fathom cloak
Keklipse 
viscid sand
but that's not what marionette was asking tho
neon cedar
Yes for a single very specific fight people want the very specific title
viscid sand
the thaemine title can also be anything
which title are you talking about @lunar stag
lightqueller, darkness legion commander, conqueror of stars, eclipse
lunar stag
gate 4 title?
lunar stag
hmmm
actually now i think about it, e going know in few hours, but does hm has spesfic titles? for kazeros
viscid sand
yes
someone posted it before
am laze to find it
but there are also milestone titles like beat 2-1 or smt, i cant rmmb the specifics
lunar stag
Bro if it isn't Demon god slayer i will be mad
neon cedar
Kazeros has a bunch of titles associated with it
lunar stag
as it should be
neon cedar
3 frontier ones. The usual 10 clear. Ones for doing secret sides. Ones for reaching bonus gates
lunar stag
why do people use frontier title for mordum as a basis to gatekeep or not? seems weird
viscid sand
ultimately, because they can
viscid sand
indeed.
neon cedar
Same reason any title is gatekept. It's a symbol of your achievements. The rarer the title, the harder the achievement, likely the harder you had to work for it and the better you are at the fight
viscid sand
1 clear of the "hardest weeks" of the raid
mortal burrow
compared to the 10 clears title?
10 clears could be nm too
so it doesnt really mean anything
for hm
viscid sand
BOMB DELIVERER COMING THROUGH
neon cedar
People with Lord of Thunder did the fight at it's very hardest right away. No waiting for more resources, or nerfs etc
lunar stag
ohhhh
I thought they are done with that no?
now we always getting nerfs at the start of theraids?
neon cedar
No, act 4 and Kaz both have frontier stages and titles
lunar stag
oh i see damn, i will grab those
lunar stag
hm? Damn, i need to get 1730 fast then
neon cedar
If you do the hardest one, stage 3 you get all the titles. Stage 3 & 2 are orange ones while Stage 1 is a blue title. Every 2 weeks there are raid nerfs and it moves to the next stage
If you clear week 3 you dont get the first title
Thats why people gatekeep Lord of Thunder
native copper
how much dps do we need to do 100bar in 50 seconds to skip full team meter pattern?
in 2-1
neon cedar
lunar stag
how much dps do we need to do 100bar in 50 seconds to skip full team meter patte...
nobody knows, but for normal its probably not a lot
native copper
i mean hard mode
lunar stag
probably a lot, but from what i saw, people clear it before ihim doing the 2 mechs at the end
but that with ark grid being out for a while
neon cedar
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19r5A56C8USONYF3AHfCZ8TLgrHuzenEuYH9I21OpTQo/edit?gid=1941914294#gid=1941914294
This is the only resource for DPs reqs but it doesnt cover specific moments to skip stuff
viscid sand
That... Doesn't tell us much 
neon cedar
skill issue
sand marsh
neon cedar
Oh in game, lame
viscid sand
lunar stag
isn't sub 300 million damage low? for hm kazeros? i don't know, i felt like 1730 characters would do more damage on avg
sand marsh
yeah it is
viscid sand
lunar stag
wait, wtf? this has to be cap no?
viscid sand
Pls read the notes in that infographic
lunar stag
like 0 bars phae takes half a billion damage per second?
neon cedar
Read more than the dps number
lunar stag
ohhhh
neon cedar
These are numbers before stuff like sidereals or buffs from mechs and you regain time as part of the fight
lunar stag
but isn't failing one of those mechs a wipe? even if you have 500m damage?
viscid sand
Play better as a team then 
neon cedar
Failing might not trigger a wipe. But if you're failing than there is a skill issue that guarantees a wipe
viscid sand
It's very much a team oriented fight
neon cedar
Maybe down the line when the raid is nerfed, it's hw and people are way over geared it won't matter but for now you won't be clearing without gaining time
lunar stag
i find the sacrifice pattern so funny lmao
sand marsh
wait, wtf? this has to be cap no?
i usually like to refer to the min dps for 4c or so carry. that way if you have people that are doing no damage, you can at least over compensate for that and still clear the raid.
for example, min dps for normal mode kazeros is 211mil dps with that logic
this doesn't apply to hm though since that min dps is mathematically impossible
would prolly refer to 6c/7c min dps
paper scroll
7hr maint, jover
cinder mango
lunar stag
Damn, i still can't believe kazeros is in 7 hours
wind dagger
I'm still work
uncut dirge
i forgot to do a solo aegir
woke up with 12 minutes left
started the last stagger with 20 seconds left
was able to finish in time
like 5 seconds before servers shut down
safe lark
uncut dirge
i think aegir solo is pretty good
it's a lot of gold while being fast
and being unbelievably more chill than the raid itself or its alternatives
swift tree
Even before they changed certain mechanics it was a good solo raid
swift tree
Failing might not trigger a wipe. But if you're failing than there is a skill is...
If this is Kazeros 2-2 then failing takes time off / restarts a pattern
2-1 is the one with big raid wipes
light vigil
do you guys think Act 4 HM week 1-2 frontier title is worth pushing for? I'd have to buy shards and fusion and dump literally everything to try it and get it. I'm 1702 right now
I'd be screwing over my alts and everything else just to get it if I decide to do that. I'm just not sure if its worth it. open to opinions/thoughts
cinder mango
lunar stag
do you guys think Act 4 HM week 1-2 frontier title is worth pushing for? I'd hav...
its pretty easy to get
lunar stag
i thikn the hardest one would be 2-1 2-3 title for final act
lunar stag
nm is the play , then go hm<:Susge:1065387133990355014>
you asking?
wind dagger
Yeah
lunar stag
on your main?
wht's your main cp?
i would just go hm tbh, for act 4
but final act hm gate 1 normal g2
lunar stag
then you can't even do hm
cinder mango
AGS : no kazeros, you loser
light vigil
then you can't even do hm
im 1702. The question was about whether its worth buying a bunch of shards/fusion just to get 1720 HM title week 1-2.
or would title not even end up mattering
errant fable
cinder mango
viscid sand
the title is mostly vanity after the fact. the luxury of it dies out over time. It might help if you're planning to go for tfm down the line though, but im sure you can still find groups without it.
uncut dirge
the title is mostly vanity after the fact. the luxury of it dies out over time. ...
it's hard to say that
even this week i saw a bunch of title lobbies in mordum and brel
viscid sand
even this week i saw a bunch of title lobbies in mordum and brel
and i've also seen a bunch of just "hw". people will be picky either way. it's just a matter of whether you have the time to give to join/host such lobbies after frontier titles are unattainable
naive lion
Title will make the pug life easier, thats for sure
sand marsh
im 1702. The question was about whether its worth buying a bunch of shards/fusio...
no. because the act 4 frontier title will likely be useless
the only frontier title that'll likely matter is 1730 HM kazeros one
light vigil
no. because the act 4 frontier title will likely be useless
so I should stick with abyssal punisher blue title for another 2-3 months? 
sand marsh
so I should stick with abyssal punisher blue title for another 2-3 months? <:mok...
uhhh
bitter inlet
Actually the correct move is to spend your life’s saving to hit 1730 and reach the min combat score requirement
sand marsh
pushing to 1720 to chase act 4 hm title when it's pretty easy, is not worth it if u ask me lmao
how much 1700s do u have
light vigil
1
sand marsh
prolly just 1 if i had to guess
light vigil
alts at 1670 1680
wind dagger
1700 is the play 
sand marsh
I mean you should be pushing your main to be honest
But if it's 1700 with like, minimal investment, chasing ilvl is a bad idea.
light vigil
my 1680s cant even raid cause gems are so expensive
sand marsh
ilvl isnt everything. you need what comes with it
cinder mango
sand marsh
level 6s at 1680 is perfectly fine. and most 1680s dont have karma
abuse paradise for karma free taps if u get em
cinder mango
hello dboi
coral hull
Where gnarly
sand marsh
hi
coral hull
Hi db
light vigil
if i push 1720 it'll solely be to get title to make my life easier if thats a thing
cause before I got abyssal it was rough
I barely ever got accepted solo
swift tree
abuse paradise for karma free taps if u get em
karma free taps won’t skip brel potions
sand marsh
if i push 1720 it'll solely be to get title to make my life easier if thats a th...
whats ur ign again
light vigil
Beato on NA
sand marsh
karma free taps won’t skip brel potions
gold cost is more annoying imo
with mordum u can get brel potions pretty easily
since u can transfer them to brel
light vigil
karma on main is fine now (finally) thanks to the events and raiding each week
not finished, but fine
sand marsh
Yeah I would not push this to 1720. Your accessories need a bit of work
And armor quality too (less important but it helps).
light vigil
but like we're talking about 2 different things, no?
brittle hawk
but we will struggle getting into hm parties no matter what
light vigil
even if I hit 1720 as long as I clear HM once idm doing NM
brittle hawk
i hate frontier
light vigil
im worried about making my life easier from gatekeep
sand marsh
but like we're talking about 2 different things, no?
What's the point in getting to 1720 when you will get denied from pugs looking like that.
light vigil
for the next 3-6+ months
brittle hawk
we are screwed by design now
sand marsh
That's my point.
sharp rock
Did you guys Finish 30 Earth Set with the saved selectors or you stay at x24 and save em 
sand marsh
You are not getting into act 4 hm with a 1720 looking like that. Just being real.
I'd stick with normal mode.
brittle hawk
genuinely what made them think this is a change for the better
light vigil
yeah I mean I have friends who could help, or get bus
sand marsh
... please dont buy a bus
light vigil
playing lobby sim will just make me quit the game if people are gonna expect new titles on older raids
sand marsh
There's more people than you think who don't have a 1720 main.
sand marsh
Maybe push to 1710 and uh, use the rest of the gold on accessories and whatnot?
1710 is kazeros nm i think
sand marsh
Is your computer working fine now?
I gave up on it after i lost a screw to my AIO. Using the new computer with the 5080 now
light vigil
I forget but I thought I was all mid/mid or high / 0
light vigil
isnt the next upgrade omega expensive?
sharp rock
sand marsh
I forget but I thought I was all mid/mid or high / 0
Nah this is unacceptable at 1720 xdd
At least high/low or high/mid lol
sand marsh
You may get away with it but like, week 1 will be brutal most likely lol.
Gems aren't looking good either, only 1 level 8. But gem prices are expensive.
viscid sand
Nah this is unacceptable at 1720 xdd
it's fine but prob not during frontier weeks
light vigil
again I wouldnt really care about week 2+ in the short term, cause if I miss title then im just gonna be on x10 clear title in like 3 months
sand marsh
Yeah not during frontier for sure.
light vigil
which is gonna feel ass
and I have friends who could help for 1x clear on week 2 if I can make it there
swift tree
Frontier Titles making game worse ngl
sand marsh
again I wouldnt really care about week 2+ in the short term, cause if I miss tit...
Well here's the deal, many people do not have x6 1700-1710s lmao.
So x10 is not going to happen for a lot of people.
They'll ask you to link achievement clear.
I didn't get echidna x10 title until like a month later lmao
swift tree
“Sorry you need X title from week 2 of raid release ot prove you can clear a boss with health/damage nerfe”
surreal gyro
sand marsh
If I were in your shoes I'd push to 1710 so you can at least do Kazeros.
surreal gyro
u can download
light vigil
even if I push kazeros I dont think im 2k cp
sand marsh
ilvl isn't everything since you need things that are accompanied with ilvl.
swift tree
even if I push kazeros I dont think im 2k cp
Then dont push 1710
light vigil
again my only concern is the title
before I got abyssal from mord it sucked hard
always
sand marsh
I'
pulsar owl
My 1710 has 1700 cp not sure if i can get into nm with that 💀
prisma epoch
going from mid mid to high low is kinda stupid value wise and expecting high mids from a 1720 is crazy lmao
cinder mango
Which game's update is this?
sand marsh
I'm confused how you are roster level 300 with a roster like that. But you probably quit a few times here and there if I had to take a guess.
surreal gyro
Which game's update is this?
lost ark lol
swift tree
again my only concern is the title
Title isn’t going to matter in a month’s time. And if LOA On doesn’t change game in a way that would change how lobby sim works game is already dead
sand marsh
Oh god lol.
You can either chill at 1700 or push to 1710. I'd accept that for Kazeros NM personally. Not many 1710s over 2k cp to be honest.
cinder mango
lost ark lol
Why is the update size so small? Has it been compressed?
surreal gyro
Why is the update size so small? Has it been compressed?
5.5gigs is small?
swift tree
Why is the update size so small? Has it been compressed?
You got most of the visual assets in the October one
cinder mango
yeah
tawny lion
So x10 is not going to happen for *a lot of people*.
I’m actually confused on that. We are both naw right? Every recent raid in recent history required title by second week for decent groups unless overly juiced
sand marsh
I only say 1710 so you can get experience with Kazeros. Raid experience matters more than anything else imo.
viscid sand
and I have friends who could help for 1x clear on week 2 if I can make it there
if you have friends, then go ahead. completely up to you to utilise your situation. 
cinder mango
I thought the raids would be huge
sand marsh
I’m actually confused on that. We are both naw right? Every recent raid in recen...
I'm on NAE. And this has never been true.
cinder mango
I was expecting 15 or 20GB
sand marsh
this second week bullshit is reddit-pill nonsense
tawny lion
On naw it is true
sand marsh
It's not.
surreal gyro
in EUC we had plenty of groups pugging Week 2 for Act3
sand marsh
You overestimate how many people have x6 characters at the raid item level on release.
It's becoming even more expensive with each raid release.
surreal gyro
an d this time we have 2x raids so i think its gonna be even more people this time
tawny lion
You overestimate how many people have x6 characters at the raid item level on re...
You underestimate naw
sand marsh
I don't lol. I know many people who play on NAW.
tawny lion
But I’m glad we merged with Nae so that’s good
sand marsh
You probably just play with people who expect that.
viscid sand
depends on what your metric of "decent" groups is tbh i've done title-less mordum hm runs during week 3+ and they've mostly been fine despite the scuff
sand marsh
But the average lost ark player does not have a roster like that.
You'd have to be a vet who basically never quit, or bus. Or god tier luck. To have a x6 roster of 1710 and a main at 1730/1740 lmao.
viscid sand
das me 
wind dagger
You'd have to be a vet who basically never quit, or bus. Or god tier luck. To ha...
True
💀
sand marsh
I don't even have x6 1710s. I'm close, but technically not there.
viscid sand
returning to the mines every day 😩
rustic portal
You'd have to be a vet who basically never quit, or bus. Or god tier luck. To ha...
Returned to play again literally yesterday and my main is at a solid 1410, so I'm actually pretty close
sand marsh
I've been putting all gold into my main to increase CP
rustic portal
Just 1 number off
sand marsh
Returned to play again literally yesterday and my main is at a solid 1410, so I'...
1410?
viscid sand
tbf even my main is only at 3k cp i cba'd after some point. am just pulling the lever
light vigil
when did mord release?
sand marsh
This is my roster and I have close to 15k hours. Granted I made a bunch of stupid decisions, but most people don't have a roster like this lmao.
sand marsh
Last played when Punika was the latest 😭 it was good then I swear
om xdd
viscid sand
when did mord release?
like June-ish?
sand marsh
Last played when Punika was the latest 😭 it was good then I swear
There will be a decent update coming sometime in december I think for someone like yourself
pulsar crow
didnt know deathboi was a SH main
rustic portal
There will be a decent update coming sometime in december I think for someone li...
I was told a little about it yesterday yeah, I'm just waiting it out for a pass to come along and save me 😭
broken lava
This is my roster and I have close to 15k hours. Granted I made a bunch of stupi...
how with 15k I could see you having like 1740s xdd
viscid sand
ye june @light vigil
sand marsh
didnt know deathboi was a SH main
Started out at berserker until akkan. Main swapped to shock scrapper. Then main swapped back to berserker shortly after. 1 month after voldis release I rage honed paladin to 1620 and main swapped to paladin. Since then I slowly benched all DPS chars to a full support roster.
light vigil
support stuff so cheap
viscid sand
which is why we have started to gatekeep rat supports
sand marsh
It is. But main swapping isn't cheap either.
viscid sand
spend your gold, BOI
sand marsh
Don't recommend main swapping lol. If I never main swapped my roster would be better.
Last time I attempted to main swap was Valk release.
Which I deeply regret.
Never doing it again lol
viscid sand
for the content 😔 😔
bitter inlet
if i went 6x of the same class i'd die of boredom
sand marsh
Fortunately I'm an anamoly that enjoys playing support. And Paladin is the only one I enjoy.
I don't get bored of it personally.
bitter inlet
yeah to each their own
pulsar crow
i have 9 characters, all different and my valk just surprassed my summoner
fathom cloak
bitter inlet
its just not for me
viscid sand
i had 3 same class at some point, and 1 of them has been killed off 
bitter inlet
especially with ark grid which introduces new toys
sand marsh
Yeah I can see why. It's a much different playstyle.
What keeps me going is meter tbh.
And a really good support is hard to come by. Pair that with a great dps and it becomes pretty fun.
wind dagger
Play two classes
I'd play like
3 valkyrie and 3 scrapper
In an alternative time line...
sand marsh
I really don't like Valkyrie. And the other supports are a hard pass for me.
Imo paladin is just superior to them all. Very flexible.
pulsar crow
whats wrong with her
sand marsh
Her ceiling is just not it for me. Low identity gain.
Feel like I'm playing a paladin 3 blue build.. which is only ever used in bussing lmao
sand marsh
There is no perma dps buff wdym
viscid sand
i think her first few idens is fine then she just runs out of steam for a bit kekw
sand marsh
Well that's the issue. Paladin generates way more. And the downside of blessed aura is nonexistant with how massive it is now.
There's just no excuse to make it that slow. Smilegate is dented.
wind dagger
There is no perma dps buff wdym
When she uses identity I believe there is a dps buff that lasts more than a minute
I remember something about that
wind dagger
Yes that one
sand marsh
20% of release light base effect is... not much at all lmao
wind dagger
That's a buff for dps right
pulsar crow
thats for when youre support no?
sand marsh
yeah
ancient oasis
That's a buff for dps right <:FeelsDankMan:1043289206975365150>
yea its like a 3-5% buff
viscid sand
20% of release light base effect is... not much at all lmao
don't tell us, tell sg design team
sand marsh
If the two big red skills had 2 stacks with a lower cooldown, then it would be on par with paladin
viscid sand
pretty sure that was their thought process making the back-to-back iden seem more scuff for valk
ancient oasis
i mean a perma uptime 3-5% buff isnt bad
sand marsh
but smilegate aint gonna do that.
sand marsh
yeah but i dont believe thats with the support tripods.
viscid sand
it is
pulsar crow
what about the HA technique buff of 20%
viscid sand
uncut dirge
no. because the act 4 frontier title will likely be useless
Idk, I have a feeling people might be willing to accept act 4 title too
viscid sand
it's the same line as the piety gain with -cd which is what the supports take
sand marsh
If it is, it's a step in the right direction, but would still be on par with a 2 blue paladin build.
The other skill would need to be 2 stacks as well
And CD lowered.
uncut dirge
Anyway what's the point of making jewels untradable
But then just sell them in the F4 shop?
sand marsh
Because $$?
sand marsh
And they aren't selling much of it lol.
uncut dirge
Yes but then why not just keep them tradable
viscid sand
you dont need us to validate your reasoning
sand marsh
Have you seen how much the packs give?
viscid sand
uncut dirge
Aren't we just fucking over the f2ps
ancient oasis
sad i was hoping to sell gems to whales for gold
uncut dirge
sad i was hoping to sell gems to whales for gold
Same
sand marsh
It's not much gems lmao.
uncut dirge
Now we can't, but whales just print new gems instead
viscid sand
if anything, it gives "legit" whales an avenue to spend instead of rmters buying out the market at a limited rate
uncut dirge
If it's an irrelevant amount then don't sell them in the first place
ancient oasis
if anything, it gives "legit" whales an avenue to spend instead of rmters buying...
yea but its bad for f2p who were hoping to make gold by selling gems early
viscid sand
yea but its bad for f2p who were hoping to make gold by selling gems early
something's gotta give 
there is no fair economy
sand marsh
x15 for uncommon - epic which is not gonna be weighted to epic, 100%
for almost 100$
uncut dirge
65
sand marsh
you aren't printing them
pulsar crow
9500 Royal crystals damn thats expensive
uncut dirge
And that's just this pack
sand marsh
The two packs shown here are the only one that sell the gems
Which is X purchase limit per account.
pulsar crow
low low price of a few hundred bucks
sand marsh
When you have a bunch of 1700s+ doing dailies and whatnot, and combining them to roster bound, this pack will look like a joke if you are only going for the Gems.
high fog
Isn’t 9500 a bit under 100 bucks
sand marsh
over estimated it
uncut dirge
9500 Royal crystals damn thats expensive
It's like 500k worth of stuff I think?
sand marsh
but buying for the gems is stupid
safe lark
sand marsh
you'll generate quite a bit if you have a x6+ roster
viscid sand
funding the game
sand marsh
yeah please stop funding it
high fog
It's like 500k worth of stuff I think?
450 for the book + 150? For the gem + 1900 blue
sand marsh
high fog
It’s definitely more than 500
uncut dirge
450 for the book + 150? For the gem + 1900 blue
Oh I missed the book, so it's a million gold
high fog
The non ark grid stuff is prob around 800k+
So it’s not like actually a bad pack if you assume the ark grid stuff is decently valuable
safe lark
HALO SERVERS ON?
viscid sand
is that better than rmt rn hmmmge 
uncut dirge
Cube tickets = 90k
Gems = 150k
Relic book = 350k
Crystals = 210k
sand marsh
you cant rmt astrogems but uh
like i said, astrogems will become pretty abundant if you have a decent roster
it's the cores that'll be annoying
uncut dirge
Ark crystal chest = cores?
viscid sand
you cant rmt astrogems but uh
ik, as in just the rate itself. considering people kept squawking that against tos rmt will be less rampant if game rmt has better rates
sand marsh
if it was cores, and they were selling ancient ones
pretty sure
a ton of people would quit
uncut dirge
I don't see why
wind dagger
I'd quit too
high fog
Idk what rmt prices are these days but the pack compared to the older ones we’ve gotten isn’t the worst
high fog
I kinda hate the way it works tbh
The diff between highrolling one early
And getting unlucky is prob pretty disgusting
Lol
sand marsh
Yeah it's silly
Fortunately, relic vs ancient isn't that massive
It's legendary vs relic
that is a big leap
uncut dirge
What I find silly is that getting lucky gives you exponentially more pity points
What kind of ass backwards logic is that
fathom cloak
sand marsh
Yeah it's silly.
sand marsh
All you need to focus on, is getting relic cores.
uncut dirge
But it's like 1 vs 5 vs 50 or some shit
sand marsh
Ancients aint gonna happen without massive luck
And diff between relic vs ancient is like uh
40 set vs 50 set elixir basically
wind dagger
Idk what rmt prices are these days but the pack compared to the older ones we’ve...
Gold is pretty much worthless... You've seen skins that people put up for 700k
uncut dirge
How much combat power can I expect from ark grid in the first week
sand marsh
That depends on your luck lol.
wind dagger
Everything is hyper inflated by 10x
high fog
Gold is pretty much worthless... You've seen skins that people put up for 700k
Yea but rmt prices is still calced in gold
uncut dirge
A friend of mine considered trying to sell his account
Apparently he looked at the prices and was like "nvm"
wind dagger
It's worthless
sand marsh
I never understood the concept of "im gonna quit this game, let's sell my account or ingame items to recoup my money spent". I've never, ever seen it so prevelant in any community except for Lost Ark.
viscid sand
the rate that a seller dm'd me long ago is still lower than this pack even if it's worth a mil
sand marsh
community is so stupid lmao
uncut dirge
I've seen it in many games
sand marsh
Not as welcomed and severe as lost ark
uncut dirge
Not the "recoup the money I spent" part though
sand marsh
practically everyone who quits is trying to sell there shit for money
high fog
the rate that a seller dm'd me long ago is still lower than this pack even if it...
I assume current rate would prob be around 40-50 for a mil
quaint trench
How big is the update?
uncut dirge
practically everyone who quits is trying to sell there shit for money
I think you're just moving in different circles
sand marsh
When I quit a game, i simply quit. Crazy concept I guess.
viscid sand
I assume current rate would prob be around 40-50 for a mil
ye possibly. this dm was like 4-6months ago from some bozo in the off lost ark disc
uncut dirge
That one guy is the only person I know that has mentioned it to me
high fog
That one guy is the only person I know that has mentioned it to me
I would say the ppl I know who left is around 50/50
sand marsh
How big is the update?
pretty small surprisingly.
high fog
From selling their gems and gold vs just dipping
quaint trench
pretty small surprisingly.
Perhaps most of it was implemented last week?
sand marsh
I think you're just moving in different circles
this is a fair point, since im surrounded by bussers and whatnot
fathom cloak
I assume current rate would prob be around 40-50 for a mil
50 gets you 1.1
sand marsh
but even in wow when i did GDKPs, this shit was almost never brought up lmao
viscid sand
From selling their gems and gold vs just dipping
i told my group that if i quit, im just nuking my account
uncut dirge
I won't do anything if I quit
sand marsh
Perhaps most of it was implemented last week?
Possibly. No hint of it ingame though
uncut dirge
Because I know how I quit games
wind dagger
Because I know how I quit games
Gib gems
uncut dirge
I realize 3 months after I quit the game that I was supposed to play it
And just kinda forgot about it
I've quit like one game before where I actually decided to quit
sand marsh
I won't do anything if I quit
Same. But that's due to principle. If I start selling stuff for money, I'd be a hypocrite and I don't want to contribute to the RMT nonsense.
high fog
Funny enough, I think if I sold everything I would be positive, minus the like 10000 hours xd
uncut dirge
Every single other game I've stopped playing just fell away without me noticing
I used to play Atlantica Online
high fog
But the 10000 hours is really the big part
sand marsh
Yeah you can't turn back time.
uncut dirge
Then someone in chat told me about League of Legends, this was back in like 2009-2010
I checked out LoL and I never logged into the MMO again
high fog
Same. But that's due to principle. If I start selling stuff for money, I'd be a ...
I’m just gonna say it gems should have been bind on equip
sand marsh
if LA ever dies I'd just go back to WoW tbh.
uncut dirge
I just forgot it existed
paper scroll
la is so much better than wow combat wise
high fog
Once a char gets a gem you should not be able to remove it from the char and any gems made from fusing a char bound gem should be char bound
uncut dirge
I’m just gonna say it gems should have been bind on equip
Tradable gems is fine
sand marsh
la is so much better than wow combat wise
Yeah but I played WoW for half my life lol. I know that game inside & out. And I enjoy it.
uncut dirge
But they needed to up the rate at which we get gems
sand marsh
Pros and cons to both games.
high fog
Gems should be tradeable until you use them
uncut dirge
And just keep increasing the max level
It's absurd that 1700 chaos gives less than 2x the gems that 1520 chaos used to
lunar stag
Gems should be tradeable until you use them
which gems you talking about?
uncut dirge
Almost a 3 year difference in the game's progression
sand marsh
Big upside is if I ever quit LA or the game dies and I go back to WoW, I can log in and just jump into semi-endgame content without playing lobby sim.
high fog
which gems you talking about?
The ones we have now
uncut dirge
And we barely make more gems
sand marsh
That'll be a big upside lmao
lunar stag
oh ok
uncut dirge
Meanwhile the cap increases 9x
sand marsh
And we barely make more gems
We make an infinite amount of more gold though lol.
neon silo
Big upside is if I ever quit LA or the game dies and I go back to WoW, I can log...
After playing Lost Ark Raids, wow raids didnt feel as good anymore for me …
sand marsh
After playing Lost Ark Raids, wow raids didnt feel as good anymore for me …
Yeah I agree, but I still enjoy both.
uncut dirge
We make an infinite amount of more gold though lol.
Yes, but the gem problem is made worse by the fact that people quit
sand marsh
Well blame the people that contribute to RMT by selling there shit off lol.
uncut dirge
300k players farming at 1x speed vs 10k at 2x speed
paper scroll
wow is like great for tab targeting game but la combat is just new gen and unmatched
uncut dirge
It creates a stupid situation with gem supply
high fog
Well blame the people that contribute to RMT by selling there shit off lol.
It’s not even just selling
sand marsh
They should just quit without contributing to making the game worse.
safe lark
send gems
sand marsh
Yeah true.
lunar stag
i think wow raids were impressive when they came out
but for some reason they didn't evolve
uncut dirge
The problem is that the game pretends to have an economy
paper scroll
the way this game is gonna die now is alts cost more and more so ppl have less alts = less play time = ezier 2 quit just logging on for 3 hrs aweek finish raids on 1-2 char and jump off
sand marsh
Maybe I enjoy the game too much, but it's sad to see people quit and sell there stuff or give it to friends. Just contributing to one part that makes the game unbearable lmao.
uncut dirge
And gems are like the only thing that actually exist as a tradable item
high fog
All ima say is they need to make a new tera
uncut dirge
Everything else is fake
high fog
And I’m outa here frame 1
sand marsh
All ima say is they need to make a new tera
Tera? Oh hell nah lol
paper scroll
Maybe I enjoy the game too much, but it's sad to see people quit and sell there ...
my friend quit and gave his stuff to my other friend, then he came back and wanted it back kek
viscid sand
tera pls 
i wanna bull rush on my brawler again
paper scroll
kek tera
queen grail
Only weak people quit.
sand marsh
Am I the only one that hated the combat lmao
surreal gyro
Aion2 combat is similar to TERA btw
uncut dirge
Aion2 combat is similar to TERA btw
Yes, but it doesn't have elins or whatever they were called
paper scroll
i kno ncsoft blows
uncut dirge
sand marsh
Okay that's not true. Aion 1 on west launch was actually ahead of it's time in some ways.
It was pretty damn good.
high fog
Tera combat is the best I’ve played with in a mmo. But the tech just was not quite there yet.
paper scroll
hell no
surreal gyro
Aion 2 is a mix of tera and elyon (ascent infinite realm)
high fog
I think you could pull it off so well with what we have today
surreal gyro
another MMO that will do nothing to Lost Ark
uncut dirge
@sand marsh Aion made me hate wow flying mounts
paper scroll
air combat was soooooo damn bad on melee classes with no range there as no raids all we did was run dreadgeon everyday and farm the same dungeon 1000 times for a drop
viscid sand
Tera combat is the best I’ve played with in a mmo. But the tech just was not qui...
fighting RK9 and that rengar boss
getting zapped in Kalivan
high fog
fighting RK9 and that rengar boss <:Prayge:825906677973778443>
I stopped around whhm
viscid sand
good times
sand marsh
air combat was soooooo damn bad on melee classes with no range there as no raids...
I mean that's the same as WoW. Just sounds like you don't enjoy third person MMOs.
high fog
After they released that new gearing system
sand marsh
Which is fine, but I enjoyed Aion 1 better than WoW around that era.
paper scroll
like u think LA is grindy, when u play Aion1 u realize what a waste of time really is
sand marsh
Before Aion 1 flopped.
paper scroll
I mean that's the same as WoW. Just sounds like you don't enjoy third person MMO...
wow is fine u get ur items pretty quick
uncut dirge
I mean that's the same as WoW. Just sounds like you don't enjoy third person MMO...
It's a typical mistake
sand marsh
Nah Aion 1 grind is wasn't that bad lmao.
uncut dirge
Imagine playing m*lee
paper scroll
aion1 u literally run same dungeon 1000 times for 1 drop and u might not even get it
sand marsh
WoW grind was way worse.
paper scroll
its that bad dude the drop rate is like 0.01%
uncut dirge
Aion wasn't really a dungeon game though
sand marsh
Back then WoW didn't have the loot system it has today.
paper scroll
unless u zerg world boss
sand marsh
its that bad dude the drop rate is like 0.01%
Yeah, same with WoW lol.
You had piss low drop rates in WoW back then too.
uncut dirge
Wasn't Aion more like old MMOs where the point is to chill with your mates
viscid sand
Imagine playing m*lee
it's fine even in 3rd person combat 'cause they're usually baked with game closers and shoves
uncut dirge
And go pk some scrubs
sand marsh
And the loot table for WoW bosses was worse than Aion.
sand marsh
Well MMO pvp has never been good besides the early WoW days imo.
uncut dirge
I remember the first time I played Aion and tera though
paper scroll
LA seriously ramped up raiding, at the time gw2 was like the preliminary LA when it came to comabt and raids
then LA mastered it
paper scroll
Well MMO pvp has never been good besides the early WoW days imo.
gw1 pvp was Godtier
uncut dirge
Because before then we didn't really have much render distance in games
sand marsh
Yeah LA raids are nice, but the downside is you can't experience those raids without many many hours of playtime.
paper scroll
and wow arena was good too
sand marsh
With these other MMOs, getting to that point takes much less time.
Without the lobby sim attached to it.
wind dagger
Lost Ark lobbynsim
paper scroll
tbh im not even cucked by lobby sim anymore
wind dagger
Yeah LA raids are nice, but the downside is you can't experience those raids wit...
When you don't have alts to experience mordum hundreds of times
Why can't I indefinitely do this damn raid
uncut dirge
You know what has the most intense pvp of all time? ||Real life||
sand marsh
Yeah I'm not either. But if you view it from the lens of someone installing the game right now. They'd be better off playing any other MMO lmao.
paper scroll
the worst part of LA for me atm is literally lack of content coz alts are so expensive 2 hone
like after 1680
wind dagger
That's why we got paradise as bandaid help
paper scroll
if i play LA for 3hrs aday i need 7 1700s to have enough raids 2 do for the week lol
wind dagger
prime frigate
@sand marsh you're the man, your solo guides helped me a lot when I came back. 
uncut dirge
Just make 3 more accounts
sand marsh
Also, I still think to this day that LA raids are too short. In WoW it was way longer. I wish we had longer raids.
paper scroll
<@429948941581418496> you're the man, your solo guides helped me a lot when I ca...
he might make guides on kaz
viscid sand
it's expensive, but you also get more gold. the thing is that even if a band of rats can chew thru mordum, they still wouldn't want to play together 
sand marsh
<@429948941581418496> you're the man, your solo guides helped me a lot when I ca...
No problem. Glad I was able to help.
paper scroll
Also, I still think to this day that LA raids are too short. In WoW it was way l...
agree but LA raids are way more stressful
the focus required is very high on prog
sand marsh
agree but LA raids are way more stressful
At the highest end, WoW is 100% more stressful than LA lol.
uncut dirge
@sand marsh solo kazeros guide when?
sand marsh
LA raids are mostly a joke tbh.
uncut dirge
Also, I still think to this day that LA raids are too short. In WoW it was way l...
Wow has revive spells
paper scroll
like if ut doing KAZ TFM the concentration and focus required is giga high coz evberything happens so fast
cinder mango
paper scroll
wow u have time
sand marsh
like if ut doing KAZ TFM the concentration and focus required is giga high coz e...
Likewise with world race in WoW lol. But times 10
paper scroll
i feel like wow is way more scripted
sand marsh
It takes much longer for the world race in wow to finish, compared to lost ark TFM.
That alone
should tell you enough
paper scroll
but i only played ul till pandara
sand marsh
This is with addons by the way.
uncut dirge
Wow is always going to be a simpler game
Because of the way aggro works
And tanks and healers
paper scroll
wow has way more mech and u gotta do ur set rotations LA is more dynamic
sand marsh
It is, but that doesn't make WoW easier.
paper scroll
LA more chaotic i think
sand marsh
If it was, you'd see world first race completing much faster than LA lol.
uncut dirge
It doesn't seem very different
safe lark
paper scroll
i dont mean its ezier i mean its more slower paced/scripted more off a puzzle solving game, LA is like a fighting game almost
fathom cloak
uncut dirge
But that's because humans are extremely good at spatial reasoning and memory
prime frigate
he might make guides on kaz
I just returned two weeks ago, my main is 1600, I'm nowhere near Kaz and I plan to never touch the lobby ever again
paper scroll
I just returned two weeks ago, my main is 1600, I'm nowhere near Kaz and I plan ...
u cant touch lobby anyway at 1600
sand marsh
Yeah it's a different playstyle, but if we are comparing raids 1:1, WoW Mythic raids are 100% harder than LA hard mode. You aren't doing Mythic wow raids week 1
paper scroll
yes for sure WoW and FF raids take way longer than LA
and theres like way more mechs
viscid sand
FF savage raids when you go off script for 5s 
uncut dirge
Like in wow it's extremely important to do your rotation correctly
uncut dirge
Meanwhile in Lost ark most players barely know their rotation