lost-ark-discussions

[wintry depot]

Hes talking first year of t3 in kr not first year

[viscid sand]

Brel is technically the 3rd raid of T4

[wintry depot]

You can buy books and not whale

Please

[obtuse oyster]

welcome to having chase items

[uncut dirge]

nah, it's definitely designed for whaling

[uncut dirge]

chase items don't work when you can swipe for them though

that's kinda the problem

[wintry depot]

Yeye

[paper scroll]

u can make the chase item consume raid tokens instead of gold and noone is gonna complain about the "economy" yeah?

[obtuse oyster]

yes, they do

[uncut dirge]

no, they don't

[obtuse oyster]

which is why people swipe for them

[uncut dirge]

i mean yes, they make a lot of money

at the cost of the integrity of the game

[viscid sand]

Always has been tho

[wintry depot]

Rn people are fomoing books to get cp, we have more relic books supply than before

[uncut dirge]

none of these games that do stuff like this survive in the long-term

and this is literally one of the reasons why

[obtuse oyster]

they do

[uncut dirge]

they do?

[obtuse oyster]

welcome to kr mmos

[uncut dirge]

like what?

[paper scroll]

anyway in kr we can see the price of relic grudge is less than half of what we have so we know its gonna crash after kaz

[obtuse oyster]

Maplestory

[uncut dirge]

ok, i can't speak to that game

[viscid sand]

Maypurusutori

[uncut dirge]

but like all the other ones don't

i can't think of any that blatantly sell power and "chase items" like this that don't just crash and burn

but then again, i never understood why anybody would ever touch maplestory either

[wintry depot]

No way books crash when theres no fomo

NO WAAYY

[obtuse oyster]

Literally most of the krmmos that are still played in the west sell power and still have a player base

[paper scroll]

2 many players wanna do the hardest raid immediately on release, sg capitalize on ur fomo coz its their payday for developing the new raid i guess, just chill and dont buy during fomo

[viscid sand]

Vindictus

[uncut dirge]

i don't think a tiny, and ever diminishing, playerbase counts

[vague stirrup]

what's the difference between current and possible new gear set if I keep living off free hones at the point when it gets tad bit expensive

[obtuse oyster]

me when market does market stuff

[uncut dirge]

out of the KR MMOs that still do well in the west it's like...

bdo and that's kind of it, no?

[obtuse oyster]

no

[uncut dirge]

no?

what else is there?

[obtuse oyster]

there a bunch still kicking

[uncut dirge]

yeah

[obtuse oyster]

they aren't "popular"

[uncut dirge]

on life support

[viscid sand]

NO, MY FOMO FEEDS THE BEAST WITHIN

I must make financially stupid decisions to look good with the whales who I don't even play with

[obtuse oyster]

brother just because you don't involve yourself inthem doesn't = them being on life support

[paper scroll]

i been through 2 many fomo cycles to fall for it again kekw

[vague stirrup]

fomo rises and goes down
alt accounts are there rice farming and permanently increasing inflation and gold supply to the market, not burning it onto progressions or anything, just funneling or selling

[paper scroll]

rice farmers arent the problem, SG's system of what drops what items are the issue, whats expensive rn? Books and Gems, both can be obtained via raiding and dailies and made bound if SG wanted it to be, rice farmers are just trying to get those items w/o swiping or supply for a demand of others wanting the those item but key pnt is its induced by SG

[obtuse oyster]

hell even if you remove alt account from the equation people are still printing 500k a week

there's little gold sink past karma and ah (if they actually do it on all their alts)

[vague stirrup]

free money out of thin air is actually a massive ass problem

[paper scroll]

how is it an issue, tell me what u tryna buy

[uncut dirge]

i have played A LOT of KR MMOs in my time

and they've pretty much all dwindled

[wintry depot]

[viscid sand]

MMOs as a genre is generally declining over the years.

[uncut dirge]

maybe

maybe my expectations are just too high

because the early MMOs I happened to play got lucky and ended up being the ones to survive the long-term

that pretty much none of the MMOs coming after have managed

[paper scroll]

all kr mmos ive played have been garbage, LA was the only one that at least has good combat and raids

[uncut dirge]

my earliest 3 MMOs are

runescape, lineage, and wow

and while lineage didn't do that well in the west, it's quite alive in KR

RS and wow are both doing well too

meanwhile all the crap i played after has not stood the test of time

[paper scroll]

I dont think i can play a mmo without good raiding tbh, its the only good part of a mmorpg for me

[viscid sand]

RS and WoW have way more to do outside of just their endgame raids though

WoW endgame mythic raids 100% killed some of the playerbase lul

[paper scroll]

other stuff like world boss/zerging events, pvp zerg, questing etc... are all a waste of time to me

[uncut dirge]

well, i didn't continue playing or even paying attention to wow after lich king

[wintry depot]

[uncut dirge]

just drifted away from it and it didn't seem interesting enough to get back into for me

[vague stirrup]

I can do raid normally and get X amount of money, I can bus the raid and get like x1.3-1.4 amount of money (4c4 scenario) or I can fill the lobby with my own alt account and get x2 gold. I can also multibox cheap busses and get free gold for zero work on my behalf and drop it on a 3rd party website, while in a usual scenario an RMTer would at least need to, like, play, idk, have an invested roster to actually apply into lobbies, and not fucking multibox afk this shit.
Like even in the tamest scenario where you just have a legit alt account it's still more gold, more resources, more gems than even bussing would get you lmao.
Problem is that there's not a single thing done bout this shit lol.

[paper scroll]

wow healing was fun coz the worse the ppl were the more action u got kek

[uncut dirge]

every other MMO somehow manages to do fine with it tho

[paper scroll]

like i said what are u trying to buy lol

[uncut dirge]

and the reason they do fine is because they don't try to fight inflation tooth and nail

they just let the economy inflate

[paper scroll]

and to whatever u reply with i simply reply with SG can just give u tokens for completing the raid to buy that item

[uncut dirge]

at one point the amount of gold in circulation becomes so high that extra inflation from pvm doesn't really do much to inflate goods anymore

but you kinda need a functioning economy for that

[paper scroll]

and the rest of the gold u just use on honing as its fixed cost, inflation doesnt effect it

[obtuse oyster]

not really

[uncut dirge]

yes really

[turbid oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/soviet-cat-sovicat-soviet-ussr-cat-gif-21826197

[viscid sand]

Wow tokens, rs player bonds

[uncut dirge]

inflation from pvm is a function of the amount players play and how rewarding the pvm encounter is

[wintry depot]

https://tenor.com/view/safe-friendly-legal-communism-ussr-gif-13792573222566843042

[uncut dirge]

which means that the inflation will peter out in terms of price of goods

unless the devs add some new crazy method to generate more gold

but SG has tightly controlled inflation with huge gold sinks the entire history of the game

so any time we run out of gold sinks suddenly everything goes through the roof

because people end up floating way more gold than they ever did before

[paper scroll]

gold should be used for fixed cost stuff like honing, transcendence, elixirs, ark grid core gems or w/e, it should not be used to purchase limited supply stuff like relic books, gems, those items should be given via tokens from raiding

[turbid oriole]

I think they have gold sinks at the White House now too

[viscid sand]

yes, and that is by making players pay their subscription tax with their gold, their wow token, or their wallet

for WoW at least

[uncut dirge]

meanwhile, a bunch of systems we have, like accessory cutting, doesn't have any item sinks

so the effective value of accessories tends towards zero, particularly the weaker cuts

ironically, tradability could be an item sink

[turbid oriole]

So what you're saying is there should be another hard reset

[uncut dirge]

but pheons make trade so prohibitely expensive nobody cares about the tradability limit since people don't buy and sell their old gear

[turbid oriole]

[paper scroll]

u dont want tradability to become the gold sink coz we have that rn and ppl are madge they cant afford it coz someone else is richer thats the pnt

[uncut dirge]

they buy once and use it until its obsolete and worthless

[vague stirrup]

I'm trying to buy 1755 main, 1730 alts, full relic books and a set of 10s, that'd be it cause I'm playing dupe class roster.
You sure handing out tokens for allat is a very smart and reasonable idea that will allow loa to keep making profit and not die the second they neuter the economy that drives the game and try to change it to something else?
Cause I'm not.

[uncut dirge]

i'm always for hard resets!

but i suspect a hard reset at this point would wipe out the western part of the game

[paper scroll]

think about how much gold is sunk into relic books and gems, noone is happy about it coz its a bad system

[viscid sand]

the advent of t4 not being a hard reset is still

[lunar stag]

you just going get overpriced as hell account

[paper scroll]

stop trying to sink gold and just let gold pay for fixed price items

[uncut dirge]

none, really

[wintry depot]

[uncut dirge]

we're not spending gold on relic books, because another player is on the other end of that trade and is getting that gold

[turbid oriole]

T5

[paper scroll]

im sure all these whales with full relic engravings complete sunk no gold into it kek

[turbid oriole]

You fight God now

[paper scroll]

YOU are not but others are

[turbid oriole]

Down with Regulus

[paper scroll]

gotta look wider than urself

[uncut dirge]

no, you're missing my point

trading gold back and forth isn't a gold sink otehr than the 5% tax

[wintry depot]

[vague stirrup]

I don't understand what "overpriced account" means, genuinely

[obtuse oyster]

that's the reality of stretching yourself out thin

[uncut dirge]

somebody is on the other side of that trade getting that gold

[turbid oriole]

That's just net

[obtuse oyster]

unless you're whaling, you shouldn't expect full 10s, 1755 main, 1730 alts, and full books in a fast time frame

[turbid oriole]

@cursive ruin

[cursive ruin]

I am pregnant with your son

[wintry depot]

Can we get tts, im lazy to read alldat

[turbid oriole]

Let's go to Italy

[cursive ruin]

And raise our child together off of lost ark gold

[turbid oriole]

💋

[paper scroll]

Look at it this way.

Someone farmed 400k gold
Whales buys 400k gold
Whale then trades that 400k gold for grudge book

[cursive ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-gif-11092575278240837627

[paper scroll]

Seller of grudge book loses 15% to Auction house

[wintry depot]

Can we not talk about rmt tho

[turbid oriole]

Where's @fresh flint

[cursive ruin]

Yes let's get to action

[viscid sand]

thats why im we're bussing and sweating myour asses off so that myour acc can look as good as a whale's but fk this economy economy BAD

[turbid oriole]

Are you investing anything

[viscid sand]

[turbid oriole]

Idk what to buy

[obtuse oyster]

[cursive ruin]

F4 menu counts as rmt flip you sigma

[turbid oriole]

#freekat

[wintry depot]

Give me money for my twice ticket concert

[viscid sand]

he speakeths the truth.

[turbid oriole]

Why do you need two tickets

Are you that fat

[cursive ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-chewing-bottle-water-bottle-gif-20695531

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wiggle-crazy-cat-zoomies-gif-9877358298643393466

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bonk-cat-bunt-forehead-love-attack-gif-13993799703103189893

[viscid sand]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-gif-23276789

[wintry depot]

Yes

[paper scroll]

like SG set the system up perfectly and we're feeding it.

1. Whales can buy any vertical progression items to get high CP
2. Players see high CP and starts gate keeping other with lower CP than theirs while trying to chase the whale's CP
3. Due to the CP discrimination, everyone with lower CP is incentivized to increase their CP or gatekept even though they are already a few hundred CP above whats required to clear raid.
4. More ppl swipe or RMT
5. f2p forced to rice farm to keep up
6. People complain about the "economy"

All induced by SG

[wintry depot]

[turbid oriole]

aaaaaaaa

[obtuse oyster]

whales play with whales tho

[turbid oriole]

whys it FRANCAIS

[obtuse oyster]

so their cp has no regards on the rest of the player base

[wintry depot]

HAHAHHAHAHAH

[turbid oriole]

wtf

[wintry depot]

GET FUCKED

Its not that bad

[paper scroll]

thats y its fked coz cp is now PVP in a PVE game

[wintry depot]

[paper scroll]

its literally the same as 2nd generation rich Chinese ppl going to Canada and flaunting their Ferraris

[lunar stag]

the ecenomy is alright, its just people are hoarding gems and books

[paper scroll]

then other ppl gotta get a Ferrari too

[obtuse oyster]

cp is just you gear turned into a number it's no different them me just checking your gems, cards, accs, elixirs and gatekeeping you off that

[viscid sand]

i dont think the canadians care if a chinese family has a ferrari.

[lunar stag]

juice, fusion mats, red mats etc etc all stayed around the same price

[paper scroll]

in LA they do LOL

[lunar stag]

except shards for some reason, they went up 40% in price

[paper scroll]

if u go around in ur corrola ul never get a pt in LA

if a whale drives a ferrari u better be in a lambo at least

[vague stirrup]

It's just an exaggeration as a counterpoint to "everything can be based on tokens".
loa sucks in new player experience department, getting baseline shit and like three characters doing remotely relevant content is pain in the ass, but it doesn't mean it shouldn't get hard and time-consuming after a certain point

But now that I look back at my experience, early times were absolute slow ass dogshit days and now I'm flying to god knows where with the amount of gold I'm getting, and that's barely a year into the game. If I stick around for another year I reckon I'll just end up in "there's nothing to spend on anymore" category.

[viscid sand]

those are muricans, they care too much about random shit that dont matter while purposefully ignoring actual issues

[lunar stag]

i am conviced the shard market in a crypto scam

[obtuse oyster]

fusions moved up a bit with paradise gone and kaz fomo. Reds shot up for slightly the same and probably some people pushing 25

[wintry depot]

[modern hatch]

It is

[obtuse oyster]

[uncut dirge]

fusions moved up last week in EUC

but have actually been down this week

[modern hatch]

Shards are dog shit and always have been

[vague stirrup]

If you didn't know I'm re- stupid

[obtuse oyster]

real

[uncut dirge]

shards shouldn't be too much of a problem

[wintry depot]

Its 100 for us

[uncut dirge]

for non-whales

[wintry depot]

CAREFUL MISTER

[viscid sand]

they are when you're trying to make your character look like a whale

[wintry depot]

WE ARE WATCHING

[viscid sand]

[wintry depot]

[modern hatch]

It can be if youre pushing 1740+ for tfm

[obtuse oyster]

g one

wrong*

[modern hatch]

Which is whale territory rn yea

[vague stirrup]

! warn @wintry depot

[obtuse oyster]

[viscid sand]

as with anything, as long as you're ok with being the median instead of the extreme, things are generally affordable

[wintry depot]

/ warn chanderlin because hes dumbdumb

[uncut dirge]

yeah that's true

[obtuse oyster]

people can't for w/e reason accept that

[viscid sand]

it's because you feel like you have to look like a whale that prices get in your head

[wintry depot]

[obtuse oyster]

THEY NEED level 10s, THEY NEED full books, THEY NEED h/h accs

[paper scroll]

yep i already know not to FOMO just chilling and progressing after crash

they alrdy said nov is focused on TFM and dec is focused on the new/returning players progression

thus dont buy shit in nov, buy shit in dec

[wintry depot]

I NEED CAHNI AAAAAAAAA

[viscid sand]

i stopped buying books after grudge went back to 350k+ now im mostly kaz nm rdy on my entire roster

[obtuse oyster]

[uncut dirge]

nah, what they really need is to be ahead of the curve

tht's all that matters

[lunar stag]

correct me if i am wrong, but whales can't get any adv in ark grid? lmao so they also have to go to the fields and geet hands dirty

[uncut dirge]

ahead of the bulk of tplayers

[modern hatch]

Its because garekeeping requirements are frankly absurd

[wintry depot]

[vague stirrup]

btw just saying we got like what, 15 free event and gifted relic selectors, plus relic random pouches and stuff?..

[wintry depot]

Yep

[obtuse oyster]

yep

[paper scroll]

yep im the same cept less chars than u at nm

[obtuse oyster]

[viscid sand]

it's like as if you are the only one facing the same issue. it has never been an issue to play with similarly geared people, even more so with a group of friends. it's just that yall hate each other for whatever reason like as if all of you are playing at the ceiling to begin with.

[uncut dirge]

i wish they'd let RMTers compete in TFM

it's a joke of a competition anyway

[modern hatch]

Let em compete then ban em

[uncut dirge]

where half the people there probably RMTd anyway just didn't get caught

but at least they play the game and whalet oo

[vague stirrup]

so it occurs smilegate does hand out free stuff for casual andies to still have that f2p level of progression in long term whale targeted thing?
Who would've thought

[modern hatch]

Bro i just hate everyone dont judge me

[paper scroll]

exactly, people are so focused on CP and discriminating towards anyone with lower cp than them its actually funny, i complete raids everyweek with low cp players, 99% of the time no problems

[viscid sand]

i do too. that's why i play with everyone. so i can them fly off mordum's arena or die getting zapped

i live to see people fk up a simple raid

[obtuse oyster]

you're telling me my 2.2k support at 1740 doesn't entitle me to play with the 3.8k dps players

[modern hatch]

Yeah couple resets is only diff

[viscid sand]

do you at least look pretty. voice changer is a bonus

[obtuse oyster]

real

[robust acorn]

say u like ayaya?

[viscid sand]

i have raid progression expectations when i gatekeep. like even if you have good gems but dog levels of karma, i'd ignore you in mordum hm. but i'll allow it if it was the other way round

[vague stirrup]

something something
people will remain discriminating based on any superficial reasons and you're better off without them
something something

[modern hatch]

Yeah I just want to playbwith people who are invested, but smartly invested (karma over gems in your example)

[paper scroll]

nah its worse in LA coz they dont care whether u can clear or not they only care if ur cp number is as high as theirs or not

[viscid sand]

im not 3.8k cp. im not looking for 2.2k egirl supports in my area

[vague stirrup]

what if it's low karma but 1.8k cp character with engravings and whatnot.

[viscid sand]

1.8k cp is perfectly fine for mordumhm

[modern hatch]

Fuck em
Do your karma

[viscid sand]

i dont expect every mordum to be cleared by phase 3

[modern hatch]

Yeah cuz you expect clear by phase 2

[obtuse oyster]

[viscid sand]

stop imposing, you gatekeeping criminal

[uncut dirge]

i wish people didnt suck so much

[viscid sand]

it doesnt matter if they do though. i think it's clearable with like 1 party alive even if p2 dies by 425

[modern hatch]

I don't gatekeep, I make others do it
I just sit in lobby looking pretty

[viscid sand]

assuming you have hands, even with just karma + solo mode gems, you're doing 30% more damage than required in hm as an nm char already.

[paper scroll]

sometimes u can see that player is on his alt and hes probably done the raid 200 times, u know hes gonna clear but he gets gatekept for some whale that doesnt even have title, low roster and giga juiced but 99% of ppl still takes the whale coz cp is high

[vague stirrup]

Fine by me then
I thought this was an example of one of those superficial criteria, like bad karma = declined even if character is already overkill and will probably carry the raid as is.

[turbid oriole]

maybe if you were good enough to join a static

[viscid sand]

nawh, if you're like 1/5/6 karma, it's still fine

if you're 1/1/1 karma, get your ass back to brel and get your karma, then come back and apply to my lobby, bro

[uncut dirge]

theyä'll just quit tho

[uncut dirge]

i think you're giving too much credit to pugs

if you expect half the party to play well

[viscid sand]

nah, i just play with like 2 other people, and we need most other players to play at like 70% of the dps requirement

[modern hatch]

Idk if I can clear on my 1400cp artist with 2 resets total, anything can clear hm mordum

[viscid sand]

i dont even need them to play "well", i just need them to play

[paper scroll]

the skill gap issue is easily solved with a.i companions doing min dps, all mechs the same as HM of that raid and u as the player have to do all mechs along with A.I and all counters + coop counters then a title for completion so players can actually practice the raid solo and not grief and come out rdy.

[uncut dirge]

for example this week i saw a nice

1730 SE doing 209m dps in G3

[lunar stag]

will the AI do every counter for you? feel likes cheating?

[viscid sand]

i think that's fine tho. it's just mordum

[uncut dirge]

bro didnt die or anything

he just sucked at dealing dps

[paper scroll]

no i specified u as the player have to do all counters and coop counters

[lunar stag]

how?

[viscid sand]

he's not a big pumper, but he's doing way more than required to clear the raid. and i am personally alright with that

[lunar stag]

ther eis red and bluecounters

[wintry depot]

[obtuse oyster]

[uncut dirge]

had a 1705 db in brel that managed 86m dps

not udps, just dps

[modern hatch]

[uncut dirge]

1711 summoner with 95m too

[obtuse oyster]

shitter exist

[viscid sand]

db hard class. pls buff

[obtuse oyster]

it is what it is

[modern hatch]

But db is so hard bro please understand

[lunar stag]

group counters i guess they could make them solo counters

[paper scroll]

A.I only scripted to do coop counters minus 1 so if u need 3 counters 2 a.i will counter and u have to be the last person 2 counter

[uncut dirge]

oh no

i just realized

i haven't done the stupid quest

[paper scroll]

its actually easier than u think coz they can just make a.i companion invulnerable so they dont even need perfect moving patterns

[vague stirrup]

People are focused on cp and titles cause smilegate can't allow for a quick performance check in some sort of way or any proper non-fomo indicators. With enough cp, people do below requirement dps, I'm not even talking reasonable dps for their character, so it's either taking overkill characters, people I know, or people who have frontier w1-2 titles, which is not only an indicator of clearing the raid in past at higher difficulty but also very likely having lots of experience since then.
It's flawed as fuck but I'm getting my lobby for a reclear, preferably with no restarts, cause I got at least 18 raids to run.

Unless you give like complete freedom in clears per week, gate selection etc, discrimination will prevail, including the dumbest things possible

[lunar stag]

i mean yeah this most likely be the case

[paper scroll]

it also makes the raid harder coz u cant just follow ur teammates and imposter

[wintry depot]

[obtuse oyster]

[modern hatch]

[paper scroll]

they can with the ai companion solo mode they touched on at last LOAON

[vague stirrup]

So 1/1/1 karma but full 8s, 60/100 proper books (no ep inflated cp) and good high-none accs wouldn't be enough?

[viscid sand]

nah, get back to brel

im not here to help you with your next alt

[robust acorn]

1 on leap 💀

[viscid sand]

you have mordum nm for that

[vague stirrup]

Well, then it's in fact an example of that superficial gatekeeping I just mentioned. You do you obviously.

[viscid sand]

it will never make sense

because it's not meant to

[paper scroll]

as long as its his alt it shouldnt matter whether he has karama done or not if his cp is the same and its not inlfated with b.s

but if its his main then he hasnt even done brel yet -> questionable af

[modern hatch]

How do I know if main or alt to

[viscid sand]

to me, that just looks like a walletmancer

[obtuse oyster]

the power of uwuwowo

unless he's one of those people hiding character

[modern hatch]

Way too lazy to uwu every applicant

Idgaf

[paper scroll]

u can usually tell from title + a mix of other factors or if u can be fked, uwu

[viscid sand]

we've gatekept low roster full 10s in brel v1 then, i dont see how it's not similar now

[paper scroll]

like if dude has abyssal punisher and his char has no karma done u can just assume its an alt

[vague stirrup]

People say bussing burns people out but I don't know whether I'd withstand this party finder shitshow for lesser amount of gold only to carry the raids anyway on weekly basis

[viscid sand]

karma while imperfect is just an indicator to how much you've played your class adjacent to how much you like it

[modern hatch]

I just wanna play with friends

Or if pugging

Go mental afk

[swift tree]

Which at that point means the fucking gold income model doesn’t work and needs changing.

[lunar stag]

tbh, i don't think there will be gate keeping for act 4 or gate 1 of kazeros, i think the only reason people will gate keep kazeros is because of gate 2, like even with 20% hp decrease, i feel likethat gate should have been 2 gates, the last one could have been biweekly

[swift tree]

It’s been 3 years and no amount of “catch ups” “rmt crackdowns” or “bus/rice dissuasion” has worked. The model itself is broken

[paper scroll]

its fine if u wanna gatekeep karma at hm mord but if u gatekeep it from brel then its a terrible idea coz this player can never get karma then

[viscid sand]

i was speaking specifically about mordum

[swift tree]

Tying gear advancement to clearing content requiring advancement was a brain dead move

[lunar stag]

why couldn't they just make kazeros 2 gates and 1 biweekly gate?

[viscid sand]

i believe you should go through most of the previous raid's system before going into the hm of the next raid

but that's just me

[lunar stag]

Did people hate biweekly gates?

[modern hatch]

The 1 bi weekly thing was kind of a miss for thaemine imo

[swift tree]

Old model was Normal release then Hard release

[paper scroll]

its fine since ur gatekeeping at hm mord, dude could def work on his karma in hm brel

[modern hatch]

Made it very hard to prog it if you happened to get lucky and clear

[viscid sand]

yes

[swift tree]

Only since Akkan has HM dropped at same time

[paper scroll]

biweekly gate is the worst idea ever to hit la

[vague stirrup]

I mean.
If it has gems and books it's very likely it's a dupe class character, indicating the owner probably has quite a crapload of experience in it. And books specifically indicate it's likely a main roster

[paper scroll]

in a game that already has a lack of content to do, making the gate biweekly is even worse

[swift tree]

30 minute raidfight for your weekly paycheck might not have been a good idea in the first place

Change the fucking paycheck model

[paper scroll]

limiting the amount of times people can play is also stupid, if ppl wanna play let them and if ppl dont then they dont

[swift tree]

bUt pEoPle WiLl BuSs

[vague stirrup]

Being rehearsal raids back

[paper scroll]

let them bus

[lunar stag]

i don't know, i feel like gate 2 of hard mode is bit too much

[paper scroll]

just change the reward so u get tokens on that char only

and u buy progression stuff with the tokens

[swift tree]

Rehearsal did nothing tbh. No proper reward structure and was a bad imitation

[lunar stag]

like people clear gate 1 in 10 minutes and gate 2 in 35 minutes, that is just feel like it should been seperated into 2 gates

[paper scroll]

more gates more jails kek

[lunar stag]

lmao

[obtuse oyster]

[swift tree]

We were supposed to get them split, they rushed it :L

[uncut dirge]

a lot of people were 1445 by valtan release though

and back then having ilvl meant that if you were good enough you could clear

[vague stirrup]

Well, just let people play rewardless raid with no entry limit.

Cause I remember my beginner experience with one akkan a week and being scared to death to fail or impostor and lacking practice and forgetting everything by the next week.

[uncut dirge]

i never got good at the final phase of akkan hm

because i got to do it so rarely

so eventually i just gave up and did normal

[paper scroll]

u also dont learn much if u only do it once a week and u have 1 char for that raid coz ur alts are 2 low ilvl

[swift tree]

I mean they could just remove lockout, rewards being only weekly

[paper scroll]

by the time next week comes around u forgot alrdy

[vague stirrup]

never did it

[swift tree]

like chaos gate

or field boss

[vague stirrup]

you'd create an infinite bussing issue

[viscid sand]

Doesn't matter to me. I'm not gonna open a website just to validate it.

[uncut dirge]

imo it's just really stupid design

with the swimming

and the dumbest part is that you're in a 15 minute fight

and then one guy misplacing worm can cause a wipe

[paper scroll]

bus problem is easily solved by making gold roster bound

[uncut dirge]

speaking of which

i guess now we know who designed strike raid

[swift tree]

Bussing loses its value when anyone can make a group

[lunar stag]

Was Narok the only gate 1 people enjoyed? From what i hear from people who did raids on their release no gate 1 was enjoyable other then him

[uncut dirge]

clown g1

[paper scroll]

i liked brel more than narok but only when party counters prokel

[uncut dirge]

was the best gate of clown

[paper scroll]

otherwise fk brel

[obtuse oyster]

ehhhh

not really

[uncut dirge]

man, i still remember the first time i went into clown

my group went blind

so we first heard the music and the atmosphere

[quaint wasp]

man's just gatekeeping any newer alt

[uncut dirge]

it was glorious

[quaint wasp]

[obtuse oyster]

cause there's a bunch of people who don't care to actually raid or don't have the time to raide that take busses

[swift tree]

Practically? yeah prob not,
but economically, unlimited supply

[quaint wasp]

ig I'm not much different, I just gatekeep low rosters

you want to play? go grind the game for a few years

[uncut dirge]

also, we only cleared G1 clown during our blind prog because i had mana shield on my reflux sorc

would've been a wipe without it

[paper scroll]

all the 4 man raids were good, clown, kaya, ivory tower

[obtuse oyster]

you would need to nuke the economy to kill bussing

but then everyone kinda loses there

[modern hatch]

MY INVESTMENTS HOW DARE YOU

[uncut dirge]

only ivory tower was good out of those imo

[paper scroll]

theres no economy man

[vague stirrup]

You don't need to? It's about as much of a valuable investment and experience representation as karma is, maybe even more than karma.
Like if it's a rat ass alt with no karma and barely any accessories and no books yeah sure but they'll probably look like shit anyway

[quaint wasp]

make everything outside of the 3 highest raids bound gold only

[uncut dirge]

well, there is some economy

[quaint wasp]

[swift tree]

Ivory had a good gate 1 but had dogshit awful gate 2/3

[uncut dirge]

but i'd label our economy "bad RNG prevention" than anything else

[uncut dirge]

well, he's clearly not talking about G1s though

[paper scroll]

i thought ivory gate 1 was garbage and 2 3 and esp 4 was good

[uncut dirge]

cause he called kayangel good

[paper scroll]

coz it required so much teamwork

[viscid sand]

Indeed. It's just a matter of principle rather than actual "value". Because I myself would not go into the hm of the next raid before doing most of the progression of the previous raid. So I impose that on my applicants as well. In gatekeeping, nothing is fair, so everything is fair game.

[paper scroll]

like more than any other raid

[obtuse oyster]

g3 was smoge

[uncut dirge]

G3 only sucked for the first mech

rest was good

[quaint wasp]

ye I'm not faulting you

[uncut dirge]

G4 was annoying

[quaint wasp]

I gatekeep too

[uncut dirge]

the stagger and destro checks were too tight

[lunar stag]

was gate 1 thaemine that horrible? people say gate 2 was enjoyable but gate 1 was trash, was it trash because itwas hard or too easy?

[paper scroll]

g4 made sure u cant imposter coz everyone has 2 counter

[viscid sand]

I'm not saying you are 🤝 Gatekeeper Union

[quaint wasp]

as long as you don't complain about being gatekept while gatekeeping

[swift tree]

It’s video game not a fucking house & even then investment maxing is a boomer mindset that deserves to fucking die

[quaint wasp]

then we're good

[uncut dirge]

constant knockdowns

[obtuse oyster]

didn't help that they had classes with low value stagger

[quaint wasp]

[uncut dirge]

and bozz whizzing all over the place

[obtuse oyster]

but because it's a 4man dungeon their impact of stagger is way higher

compared to 8 man

[uncut dirge]

but the boss in G1 thaemine barely did damage

so you just got knocked down

and it was annoying

[paper scroll]

overgearing for g4 doesnt totally trivialize it coz u still die from failing mechs

[uncut dirge]

but rarely dangerous

[viscid sand]

I don't. I'm perfectly fine joining a full rat ass lobby with my less than perfect characters

[obtuse oyster]

so if you got some trash comp, you get cucked in g4

[quaint wasp]

ye and I'm fine not being able to get into gigajucier lobbies

[modern hatch]

good design I remember those days

[lunar stag]

People found gate 2 enjoyable?

[vague stirrup]

If rewards were bound exclusively then yeah sure.
Until then it's alt account gold mine. Market would explode.

[paper scroll]

it took awhile for my team to get the g4 counters down but it was so rewarding once we did

[uncut dirge]

my friend mained moon reaper...

[uncut dirge]

idk, but more enjoyable than G1

so you can imagine

[paper scroll]

g2 was fine as long as ur team knew what 2 do

[uncut dirge]

igniter sorc + moon reaper

[paper scroll]

it was so bad if ur team didnt tho

[vague stirrup]

Lunar got okay burst stagger for mechs, but if you're out of buttons it's gg.

[uncut dirge]

that was a fun time doing the stagger checks in ivory

[quaint wasp]

big brain idea here, if you do less than min clear dps then all your rewards from that raid is bound only

[modern hatch]

At least ignite can do destro check

[quaint wasp]

[swift tree]

makes alt accounts against ToS

[paper scroll]

wut bout sups tho

[quaint wasp]

alt accs aren't against tos

[swift tree]

They mentioned plans for doing so

[vague stirrup]

Brother I have a feeling they should've done it about before fucking release.

[quaint wasp]

supports do dps too via how much they buff, would be they same

we can calc that already

[viscid sand]

Oh no, anyway presenting to you NORDVPN sponsored

[swift tree]

Ik horse already bolted

[modern hatch]

Less than min clear udps (assuming avg supp) sure

[quaint wasp]

I was running an alt roster by the time we hit yorn

[paper scroll]

like uptime metrics?

[swift tree]

Gross

[obtuse oyster]

I got jailed in one of those runs and had to run VPH + SS + SH just to clear the run

[quaint wasp]

nah how much added damage the support gives to raid

[obtuse oyster]

[paper scroll]

as a % of the dps's dps though right

[quaint wasp]

ye

[modern hatch]

I just mained slayer and srti at the time
Me gud mechge doer

[quaint wasp]

but you still have to be playing the game vs on the floor

[uncut dirge]

that's true, i also learned to ignite some stagger checks

when we needed it

[paper scroll]

yeah that would resolve bussing issue instantly with no consequence

[quaint wasp]

make sure the filthy handless people don't get to interact with our market

no min clear dps? go hone with bound mats/gold

[vague stirrup]

Uhhh.
Sounds interesting but imagine the restart spam if someone dies.

[paper scroll]

that is true, much agree with the proposal

[modern hatch]

Ye it always pissed me off when sorcs would perma hold on mechs
And then do bottom dps anyway

[quaint wasp]

good, then lobby quit and kick

[paper scroll]

if someone dies that person spams restart but rest of party can deny LOL

[obtuse oyster]

he's saving ignite for burst window

[modern hatch]

[quaint wasp]

also like if you die you should still be doing min clear unless zero hands

[paper scroll]

so if u go into raid and u die u get punished by getting bound gold that week lmfao

so u cant even imposter for profit

[obtuse oyster]

the griefing would be unreal

[quaint wasp]

like you honestly think they deserve the rewards if they aren't doing min clear?

[viscid sand]

suh, all i have is this tiny punishing strike for lazaram's stagger bar

[uncut dirge]

ayoo

[quaint wasp]

[paper scroll]

actually goated idea

[uncut dirge]

we just failed narok stagger check at 120

[vague stirrup]

Yeah no I'm not quitting a fucking g2/even g3 mordum to sit in pf looking for a replacement.
Also gatekeeping would scyrocket to the fucking moon with nm lobbies requiring stage 0 frontier title.

[uncut dirge]

support: 704 stagger

what the fuck man

[paper scroll]

what grief unless u think party is there to purposely sabotage u into death

[modern hatch]

Which supp

Cuz valk does no stag

[obtuse oyster]

guy can just generate meter for explosing in g3 mordum and attempt to kill you in phase 1

[quaint wasp]

I mean if sub min clear people got gatekept into quitting, it's a plus in my book

[paper scroll]

i guess the minor issue with the proposal is if u get a dog sup that cant shield or heal properly and u died

[vague stirrup]

Also this yeah.

[quaint wasp]

also like

you can tell

they're trash in the middle of g1

[paper scroll]

but y would he purposely do that

[uncut dirge]

artist

[modern hatch]

Okay that's criminal

[quaint wasp]

and it wouldn't affect you either

[uncut dirge]

i'm pretty sure tiger alone does that stagger

[quaint wasp]

you can just clear with them if you wanted to

[obtuse oyster]

toxic people will be toxic

[quaint wasp]

you'd get unbound cause you > min clear

and they get bound

[obtuse oyster]

if they didn't like that you did something in the previous gates

[paper scroll]

if he did that the entire pt will kick him and reset the raid i guess

[obtuse oyster]

that cna just grief you

[vague stirrup]

How so?
Don't mention logs, those are not part of the game in all regions.

[quaint wasp]

then just clear with them, if you can clear then they're the only ones being punished

[paper scroll]

i think the pros outweighs the cons here by alot

[obtuse oyster]

I think you should stay out the kitchen

[paper scroll]

theres probably only like 0.1% of player base that will purposely just grief

[vagrant cradle]

[quaint wasp]

me on my non gold earning raids

[vagrant cradle]

that reminds me I need to do some solo aegirs for the solo tokens tomorrow

[vague stirrup]

No I'm like EXTREMELY curious how I'm gonna know someone's not a g3 shitter in the middle of g1.

[vagrant cradle]

[vague stirrup]

Oh, spoiler, I fucking can't.

[obtuse oyster]

just know, real

[quaint wasp]

so either they do z and you clear, or they do z and you don't clear

how is this different from what we have currently

[swift tree]

Wake up Babe Sailing the Dream 2 released

https://youtu.be/5-ttOjpc5j0

[quaint wasp]

the only difference is if they do z and you clear, they don't get the same rewards

[uncut dirge]

how about this

[quaint wasp]

which is a good punish

[paper scroll]

this week the opposite thing happened, this SE was a complete shitter in g1 and 2 but did giga dps on g3 mord lol

[uncut dirge]

you get bound gold by default but then you can pay royal crystals to make it unbound

[quaint wasp]

[vague stirrup]

And my initial point was that a person dies and spams restart griefing your run. Cause they're actually capable to do the raid properly but accidental death happened.

Also the restart spam cause GUYS I GOT UNLUCKY WITH BT PLS I NEED UNBOUND REWARDS

I'm not fucking wasting time on a replacement neither I'm accepting more reasons for griefers. Dead sit still till the end right now at the very least.

[robust acorn]

echidna blessing for 500 rc

[vagrant cradle]

[slender sky]

whenever i think SG is utter dogshit at what they do i see some of the "suggestions" in here im thinking "maybe its not so bad after all" ngl

[viscid sand]

"accidental death"

[paper scroll]

just make it so u can only restart once, if party denies then thats it

[obtuse oyster]

Some of these people would kill Lost ARk faster then SG with their ideas

[vague stirrup]

Never ever happened to you?

[paper scroll]

if u died by accident then ur punishment is bound gold, get better next week simple

[obtuse oyster]

me when I got knocked into 3 puddles with no get up into a gravity death, 10/10

[wintry depot]

[vague stirrup]

Cause I managed to permadie this week in hmordum bus like a... dumb idiot that I am.

[obtuse oyster]

[quaint wasp]

take your bound gold

[wintry depot]

YES YOURE SO DUMB

[vague stirrup]

me when you're my support

and i just

watch you permadead

[modern hatch]

[obtuse oyster]

1st death was unlucky, 2nd death was my fault. I ended my push immune to early

[paper scroll]

theres no unluckly deaths unless it was due to lag spike or dc

[quaint wasp]

ye if I were the director we'd sitll have 100k ccu

[vague stirrup]

i ended up permadead in the same exact way btw

[obtuse oyster]

getting combo into a puddle is pretty unlucky

[vague stirrup]

first death anlaki

second death mistimed push immunity

[paper scroll]

but getting hit by the combo was skill issue

[obtuse oyster]

true, next time I'll just drop puddle in center

so smart

[paper scroll]

if u drop it in center u might die to ur own puddle later lmao

[obtuse oyster]

nah, I'll drop it center instead of taking it out

[uncut dirge]

what i really hate

[obtuse oyster]

great Teresa has taught me the way

[uncut dirge]

is when we go place puddles

and then boss does the spinning hammer around the arena

[viscid sand]

many times

[paper scroll]

ul get voted out of the raid if anyone else dies to the puddle

[obtuse oyster]

he did inside out right as my puddle dropped

10/10

[vagrant cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/munchkin-attack-mean-cat-mean-cat-attack-short-cat-short-cat-attack-gif-14421555173154849620

[robust acorn]

if u die in game u die irl

[paper scroll]

arna playing with her fat cat

[vagrant cradle]

fat cats are the best

[vague stirrup]

I bet there's some sort of simple counterpoint to this but I'm too tired of it
Also the sheer whine of "I CAN'T DO THIS MUCH" people and them leaving will cost certain amount of profit in skins and whatnot for sure

[paper scroll]

the pros outweighs the cons imo

coz cons are bussing issue and more ppl get rekt by dcing in middle of gate t han anything else all coz of "bussing"

[slender sky]

game wouldve been another concord with these ppl

[paper scroll]

what a gigachad cat

[modern hatch]

KITTT

[vagrant cradle]

[wintry depot]

Gigafat*

[slender sky]

the fk u lookin at

[paper scroll]

face looks like a mini lion

[vague stirrup]

This idea is giving "piece of shit in golden wrapping" vibes, and the fact I (a dumb person) liked the concept at first but then I (again, a dumb person) found potential for flaws is just more proof it won't fly if implemented
find someone smarter to give proper reasoning and not "i have a feeling and feeling about feeling" type of explanation

[paper scroll]

u can call urself dumb all u want but the amount of "grief" this may cause IMO is much less than what it fixes and the grief is a tiny % of the playerbase induced

[wintry depot]

[quaint wasp]

we just need something like inven with a shitlist of the people who spam quit when they floor maybe we could build it into the game

then you can pay RC to get your name off the shitlist

[vague stirrup]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738178207102271549/1437881361422749839/goat.gif

[vague stirrup]

Lawsuit speedrun any%

Maybe not

But naming and shaming, as well as making targets out of people even indirectly, is uh

Not welcomed

[quaint wasp]

just ask yourself if the raid clears if everybody is either flooring or sub min dps

[vague stirrup]

As far as I'm considered

[quaint wasp]

only naming their chars, not their irl person

our friendgroup shares blocklists of dog non vairgrys supports

[paper scroll]

u cant even grief once ur on floor besides pushing restart raid once, party declines then thats it

[vague stirrup]

Second time today saying it's good to be a busser

[slender sky]

[vague stirrup]

Raid lead refuses passing lead
or randomly picked new raid lead not knowing sids (or everyone not knowing sids)
or their friend griefing the raid which is very very doable while alive
possibilities are endless

even just timing restart for when something stressful happens, blocking the view

[uncut dirge]

we had hammer mech where everyone was the correct color

happened a few days ago

never seen that before

[paper scroll]

i mean now ur adding accomplices to the griefing like u might as well at this point just make the whole party griefers in which case this change wont change anythin since they would alrdy be griefing

[modern hatch]

[quaint wasp]

I wonder how low quality your pugs have to be to think every lobby is an amongus lobby

[modern hatch]

Still doable
1 red and 1 blue just need to swap positions and colors

[quaint wasp]

and let's be real, all this change does is remove the amongus people from the playerbase

[modern hatch]

Just hard to do jn the moment obviously

[quaint wasp]

[uncut dirge]

yeah but nobody is going to

not in the moment

maybe if you're on voice

[paper scroll]

i honstly think ppl are grossly exaggerating their experiences i run with low cp players every week 6 times and i rarely ever got griefers, the most amount of griefers ive ever found was always in guardian raids

[modern hatch]

Just dont get unlucky ezpz

[uncut dirge]

all it takes is like

2-3 bad experiences close together

[modern hatch]

True grs are where the true shitters reside

[uncut dirge]

and it colors the entire week

[quaint wasp]

I mean it isn't intentional griefing but zdps is super common

[uncut dirge]

i had a 93 minute mordum HM this week

and a 57 minute one

[quaint wasp]

[uncut dirge]

and mordum felt unbearable as a result

[paper scroll]

was it prog?

[quaint wasp]

brother do you gatekeep?

[uncut dirge]

even though the rest were 31, 31, 40, 45 mins

[quaint wasp]

shit the teaching runs I run don't take 93 min

[vague stirrup]

But that'd literally just happen lol.

[vagrant cradle]

[uncut dirge]

93 minutes isn't that long

[paper scroll]

i dont really get why after 90 mins theres suddenly a clear, did players start getting better or something

[vague stirrup]

griefing just for fun happens anyway, griefing when your profit is at the stake is what people did do and will do

[paper scroll]

if u try grief ppl are gonna insta kick u from raid tho

[uncut dirge]

on a slow lobby it's like 25 minutes for G1 + G2

so that's like

4 plls of G3 that go long

[vague stirrup]

three to four restarts granted a pull during which everyone performed well enough to not die, not fail mechs and to provide reasonable dps

[uncut dirge]

anyway our pulls were in G3

[vagrant cradle]

sussy lobby

[uncut dirge]

20 mins, 18 mins, 15 mins, 7 mins, then we disbanded

came back 2 days later and that was 13 mins

[paper scroll]

i guess some ppl are not good at certain mechs so when rng makes it so they dont get the mech on them its a clear

like 2 players dunno how to skirmish or something

[uncut dirge]

it's more like

some people "experiment" on anvil

which inevitably kills some people

[paper scroll]

just hyper on anvil

[uncut dirge]

some people derp at 425

add a few of these up over time and your dps drops by a lot

dps drops by a lot = you have to fight P4

then all it takes is a homerun or a few patterns like that

and dps drops even further

[paper scroll]

ah dps goblins trying to max dps and end up dead instead

[vague stirrup]

whiiich leads me back to "i want my clear right here and right now not after half an hour waiting for a replacement" point.
Are those extremes? Yes.
But I can still clear the raid in one pull with dead morons or simply unlucky/exhausted fellas whose brain lagged.
I can't really clear when they actively grief me.

[uncut dirge]

yep

i'm so good at G'ing anvil (the follow ups when someone gets caught) by now

also there ar ethe unfortunate deaths like

[paper scroll]

aite fair enough

[uncut dirge]

you go out to place puddle, boss does the spinning hammer thing while you're coming back

[paper scroll]

legit alot of ppl end up griefing coz they tryna squeeze in 1 more rota and fk up the mech instead

[uncut dirge]

pushes you into puddle and electrocutes you

but that one tends to be rare

[paper scroll]

kinda like most swimming deaths are vets trying something they couldnt handle

[uncut dirge]

yeah

[wise pasture]

[cinder mango]

[cinder mango]

half life 3

[fresh flint]

???

[modern hatch]

Wheres cinder

Is cinder happi

[swift tree]

He got reverse isekai'd into Zootopia

[swift tree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwqvhG50xVc

[vagrant cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/munchkin-attack-mean-cat-mean-cat-attack-short-cat-short-cat-attack-gif-14421555173154849620

[swift tree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av0O5SaZyQc BON VOYAGE REMIX

Like someone asked C418 to create their own version of Lost Ark tracks ngl

[vagrant cradle]

[swift tree]

less swipers + gold inflation = mount costs go brr

[vagrant cradle]

that's not going brr sir

they were over 250k before

[swift tree]

rip

nvm

the otherworld outfits were 150k each which was crazy

[vagrant cradle]

yeah those are still surprisingly expensive

[fresh flint]

Pov every 1700

[robust acorn]

i would shank him and steal his acc

[fresh flint]

Honestly same

But it's a SH

He's just using it for CP inflation

[robust acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-hank-walter-screaming-walter-yelling-gif-26473309

[neon cedar]

Which one

[visual smelt]

2nd for me

[neon cedar]

[fresh flint]

same

[neon cedar]

Okay, I get the full cat

[modern hatch]

First

[neon cedar]

Smh, it gets kind of hidden because of my long name

[modern hatch]

But also why not both

[neon cedar]

Oh well, just those dumb discord orbs

I need more orbs for both

Gotta watch more ads

[worldly hawk]

"want a break from the ads"

https://tenor.com/view/spotify-gif-12181009948830675503

[neon cedar]

Ahh, I dont get ads anywhere so I didnt get the reference

[worldly hawk]

true what's this thing called advertisments

[fresh flint]

hate spotify

[worldly hawk]

i hate free spotify

it's so fucking ass

[fresh flint]

paid is ass too

[neon cedar]

Ill use 100 layers of adblock before I get ads

[worldly hawk]

[neon cedar]

Desuboyo has a source for no ads & free spotify

[worldly hawk]

i haven't watched a single ad on youtube since they went to "war" with adblockers

gotten my player blocked twice for like 30mins tho

[neon cedar]

I havent had an ad in like 15 years

[wheat burrow]

is the kazeros prequest out yet?

[worldly hawk]

it has been

for like

2 weeks

[visual smelt]

remember the time they tried to stop you from watching videos unless you disabled your adblock?

shit hit the fan so quickly

[fresh flint]

Now they just throttle video quality and load times

[neon cedar]

I rememeber. I remember taking 15 seconds to close chrome and open firefox

[worldly hawk]

i do it blocked my player a couple times never for long because i just installed another adblocker

[worldly hawk]

and this

or brave

or Opera

[fresh flint]

opera

eugh

[worldly hawk]

still better than chrome

[visual smelt]

i would use opera if i could port over all my open tabs

[fresh flint]

opera is giga shitbox

opera gx even worse

[visual smelt]

what's so bad about it?

[fresh flint]

opera gx is if you took windows 11 bloatware and made it a browser

[visual smelt]

it's marketed as being good

but i never looked into it

[fresh flint]

i cant say for sure about opera anymore bc its been years

but gx

not worth

dont touch

[worldly hawk]

opera is just fancy chrome

[fresh flint]

chrome is so ass

but i wont use opera over it

[worldly hawk]

gold plated shit is still shit

[worldly hawk]

also sir you know you can bookmark tabs yes? .we

you don't need to keep 40 tabs open at all times

[fresh flint]

so real

[worldly hawk]

like one of my friends who keeps tabs open for all his anime episodes he wants to watch

instead of just bookmarking them

[fresh flint]

i do that, but only 6 at a time

[worldly hawk]

he's like 20+

[fresh flint]

and i usually watch them when i open them

speaking of anime

i havent watched any in ages

[worldly hawk]

[fresh flint]

nothing good out

[worldly hawk]

Solo leveling?

JJK

Demon slayer

Chainsaw man

[fresh flint]

is there another ssn of solo out?

[worldly hawk]

what's the last thing you watched

[viscid sand]

Watch fragrant flower thx

[fresh flint]

solo leveling

[worldly hawk]

Season 1 and 2 or

[fresh flint]

idk

[worldly hawk]

[fresh flint]

ssn 2

im pre sure

his dad and alldat

[worldly hawk]

then no there is no new season

[fresh flint]

OK THEN WHY RECOMMEND IT

YOU SUCK

[worldly hawk]

i don't know what you watched

i don't live in your head

only in your walls

[fresh flint]

sounds hentai no thx

[worldly hawk]

have you watched Eminence in shadow

goated anime

[fresh flint]

yes

[neon cedar]

Watch the og pokemon anime

[worldly hawk]

[fresh flint]

noooop

[neon cedar]

Watch beyblade

[worldly hawk]

i still need to watch Bleach thousand year war

i haven't gotten around to it

[fresh flint]

im waiting for the next ssn of reborn as slime

shit is so peak

[neon cedar]

Same but its been a long time since Ive watchedbleach so I wanna rewatch the whole thing

I need to catch up on one piece too

[fresh flint]

hate one piece

[cinder mango]

[viscid sand]

It is wholesome

[worldly hawk]

i'm like 300 ep behind in op

[neon cedar]

Same probably. I finished Wano then waited for more to release

[fresh flint]

oh that one

[neon cedar]

I caught up and watching week to week was ass

[fresh flint]

yeah i think i saw somethging about that one but never got to it

[worldly hawk]

i would need to watch 90 hours of episodes to catch uup

[worldly hawk]

i watched bleach 3 times so i remember everything

[neon cedar]

Ive watched twice but its been too long still

[worldly hawk]

same with DBZ watched that shit like 5 times

[fresh flint]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-bye-see-you-later-reincarnated-as-a-slime-rimuru-tempest-gif-21187298

[worldly hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-majin-vegeta-gif-23914077

https://tenor.com/view/for-years-i-laid-vegeta-dragon-ball-z-oh-its-you-gif-25317783

also DBZA is goated

[fresh flint]

dbz poopie

[neon cedar]

#1 h8r

[fresh flint]

yus

fuk dbz

fuk 1p

fuk 1pm

[worldly hawk]

you just don't like shonen anime

i guess

[fresh flint]

i dont like animes that milk for 17 seasons

and consist of 90% fillers

[viscid sand]

Watch DBZ abridged on YouTube instead

Gets to the point real quick

[worldly hawk]

yeah that shit is so goated

[viscid sand]

[fresh flint]

oh

i forgot

wanna see the gif i discovered in sorc channel @neon cedar

[worldly hawk]

also DBZ Kai exists which has literally 0 filler

[fresh flint]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-foot-wave-emoji-foot-wave-foot-wave-gif-531188699701561742

[worldly hawk]

unlike Boruto wich is like 90% filler

[worldly hawk]

[fresh flint]

boruto is a generational flop

fuck that trash

[neon cedar]

weird

[worldly hawk]

it's sorc chat

[fresh flint]

also this one

[worldly hawk]

what did you expect

[fresh flint]

https://tenor.com/view/sackboy-red-bull-dancing-convulsing-littlebigplanet-gif-10328667252644404366

[cinder mango]

what the f

[fresh flint]

idk i discover a lot of weird shit in all class channels

i love to lurk

[worldly hawk]

@fresh flint also there are websites which have lists of filler episodes

[fresh flint]

eh

in the 2025's i wouldnt watch anything old anyways. im spoiled now with this new gen animation and gfx

the fate series

that shit makes me WET

[worldly hawk]

Frieren season 2

soon

[fresh flint]

I CANT FUCKING WAIT

[worldly hawk]

[fresh flint]

https://tenor.com/view/ahhhh-ahhhh-ahhhh-simpsons-homer-yelling-ahhh-homer-simpons-homer-yelling-gif-15756831862711104797

[worldly hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/sousou-no-frieren-gif-4742349586319209806

[fresh flint]

im afraid of how far theyre going to time skip

hopefully not too far

[worldly hawk]

don't think they'll skip at all

at least i

[fresh flint]

well the whole premise is this old elf cunt reminiscing on the past 150 years of adventure

i wouldnt put it past them

[worldly hawk]

ALSO

JJK season 3 January

[fresh flint]

i stopped watching jjk after s1

lmao

[worldly hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-jujutsu-kaisen-gojo-satoru-gif-11266806221853937193

[fresh flint]

I NEED MY NEW SESON OF DEMON SLAYER A

[worldly hawk]

next year maybe

2027 2nd movie

[fresh flint]

i havent even watched the movie yet

becus its not been leaked in hd

[worldly hawk]

next season will be movie

[fresh flint]

🙃

[worldly hawk]

just cut into ep

[fresh flint]

and im not fucking watching cam quality movies

that shit makes me mad

[worldly hawk]

what???? you don't like the constant rusteling of the jacket or people laughing beeing annoying in the background??!?

[fresh flint]

love it so much it makes my eyes and ass bleed

yep

"I realized I didnt like arcana when I did a chaos dungeon"

-Help chat.

[neon cedar]

Dont be a dick

[fresh flint]

How is it being a dick

IT's funny

lol

and avaiulable for anyone to read if they have 2 eyes

[neon cedar]

Laughing at people because they dont know the game.
Idc, if its available, the point is youre reposting them to laugh at em

[fresh flint]

lol

ok

thats not why im laughing at them

but sure

🤷🏼‍♂️

[neon cedar]

If youre gonna be a dick you can leave them be and laugh at me because my first char was DB and i dropped it cus i didnt like its chaos dungeon in groups

[fresh flint]

idc

[worldly hawk]

[fresh flint]

stfu

[worldly hawk]

no

[fresh flint]

yes

[worldly hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/doctorevil-no-gif-22331678

[fresh flint]

wait nvm dont stfu im being a dick bc u dont know the game

4head

[fresh flint]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-man-will-you-gif-18636332

[worldly hawk]

i mean i agree with flow but

[fresh flint]

sure

w/e

equally clueless imo

because i wasnt amking fun of him

[worldly hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[fresh flint]

you wouldnt know ragebait if that shit slapped its dick on your forehead

[worldly hawk]

my whole exsistence on the internet is there to troll and shitpost wdym idk what a ragebait looks like

[fresh flint]

https://tenor.com/view/hindi-ikaw-ikaw-hindi-you-dont-stop-quit-gif-14296606

[worldly hawk]

oh shit it's 7am i shouuld play less minecraft

[fresh flint]

minecraft

[worldly hawk]

[fresh flint]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-judging-controversial-sassy-annoyed-gif-6001204319548765339

[neon cedar]

Chronic h8r

[fresh flint]

ok

[neon cedar]

& grumpy

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-gif-23856371

[fresh flint]

[worldly hawk]

he isn't sharing cinder with us

that's why he's so grumpy

[fresh flint]

you dont deserve cinder